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Speaker 2: What's Up?
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Speaker 3: This is your host, Quest Love of Quest Love Supreme.
Speaker 3: How y'all been doing? I hope y'all been doing fine.
Speaker 3: So we're doing it a little bit different this year.
Speaker 3: We're recording some special QLs episodes this season, and in
Speaker 3: order for you guys to get more familiar with anyone
Speaker 3: on this show who's not me, which is always a
Speaker 3: good thing in my opinion, I decided that I wanted
Speaker 3: each member of the Supreme team to get their own
Speaker 3: rogue episode and interview and do sort of a one
Speaker 3: on oneish. And we kicked it off, of course with
Speaker 3: Sugar Steve with his dream interview, his epic two part
Speaker 3: conversation with Elvis Costello, and they recorded at Electric Lady Studios.
Speaker 3: One of the first in person QLs episodes, it's the
Speaker 3: Pandemic back in March of twenty twenty. So this particular
Speaker 3: go round, we are passing the microphone, if you will,
Speaker 3: to our brother Fontigelo.
Speaker 2: Fontigolo, what's up man? Yes, indeed, what's up man? Congratulations.
Speaker 2: It's the first one since.
Speaker 4: Right, it's the big whim everything that's right changed.
Speaker 2: Yes, everything, the price is going up. Yesterday's price is
Speaker 2: not today's price. I love it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So similar to sugar, Steve Fonte's guest is a gentleman
Speaker 3: that he has worked closely with, actually that I've actually
Speaker 3: collaborated with as well. And this particular Quest Love Supreme
Speaker 3: guest is none other than mister Eric Roberson. And he's
Speaker 3: Grammy nominated singer, songwriter, producer and music industry og. And
Speaker 3: I just want to welcome him. Please welcome him to
Speaker 3: Quest Love Supreme.
Speaker 5: What's up, Eric, honor to be on here, man, congratulations
Speaker 5: as well, first chance to get to tell you that
Speaker 5: I appreciate you'all having me on here.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of hello jealous of your background right now.
Speaker 2: His zoom, I think it's only second to Will Smith's zoom.
Speaker 2: Yes you will Will zoom was like that ship looked
Speaker 2: like hggd.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you look like you're in the Garden of Eden
Speaker 3: right now. Like what does this represent? This particular background.
Speaker 5: This, this background is part of just my basement and
Speaker 5: what I've learned during the pandemic. Man, I wass doing
Speaker 5: virtual shows. I teach class sitting here as well. I
Speaker 5: got I got sound effects and all kind of you know,
Speaker 5: all kind of stuff here.
Speaker 4: Uh you know, I love it, you know, whatever we do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, before so before you got on, before you
Speaker 2: came home with me, he was talking to us, and
Speaker 2: he's gonna be the one to kind of help us
Speaker 2: get roll called back because he got some tools, you know,
Speaker 2: how to deal with it.
Speaker 5: No latency, yes, yes, yeah, so there's several different things
Speaker 5: that we can get fixed. But yeah, I told Laya,
Speaker 5: let's let's talk and tim because when the first pandemic started,
Speaker 5: the first thing I started doing, I made the album.
Speaker 5: But the second thing I did was like how do
Speaker 5: we do shows? And then I probably spent shouts with
Speaker 5: my boy DJ Molski in La, probably about a month
Speaker 5: or two months, standing up all night just trying to
Speaker 5: all those things figure out. Latency, figure out like looping
Speaker 5: things back, like playing things from a computer, hearing it
Speaker 5: and then sending it back into the web. All that stuff. Man,
Speaker 5: we crashed and burned on it. So yeah, let's let's talk. Afterwards,
Speaker 5: I got.
Speaker 3: Forget the interview. Let's talk now. Now I'm gonna leave
Speaker 3: y'all to it again. Thank you very much for doing this,
Speaker 3: And I hit it fante Yo.
Speaker 2: All right, man, so listen though, Like I'm sitting here,
Speaker 2: and as much as we work together, there are just
Speaker 2: very I think crucial things in your life that me
Speaker 2: and you have never talked about. That's creat Like when
Speaker 2: we was on the phone the other day after the
Speaker 2: Fred Hemmert interview and you were telling me about like
Speaker 2: what commission it meant to you, and like how something
Speaker 2: as simple as just seeing gospel singers on an album
Speaker 2: cover with jeans on. Yeah, you know, for you know,
Speaker 2: for even like me, that was nothing, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? But nah, man, yeah, talk about you know
Speaker 2: how you got started, Like what was your first kind
Speaker 2: of introduction into music.
Speaker 5: My dad plays guitar and sings. My sister. I have
Speaker 5: an older sister, my sister Alisha, lovely, and and you know,
Speaker 5: I think all my introduction really started from that just
Speaker 5: being a little brother. Had to follow her around and
Speaker 5: she was the one who actually had a band in
Speaker 5: high school and then she did theater and was making
Speaker 5: clothes and all kinds. So whatever she was doing. As
Speaker 5: the little brother, I went to the piano lessons, I
Speaker 5: went to dance recitals, I went into the theater classes,
Speaker 5: went to her band rehearsals, and I think a lot
Speaker 5: of it just rubbed off on me. Of course, were
Speaker 5: singing at church on Sunday, we got choir two days
Speaker 5: out the week or whatever you choir, mergency choir, whatever
Speaker 5: we was, whatever were in and of course then of
Speaker 5: course you know we we boomed backing on the on
Speaker 5: the cafeteria table with our friends, freestyle rhyming, dreaming of
Speaker 5: being utfo or whoever. So I mean, you know, I mean,
Speaker 5: I'm from Jersey. It's just like a I was born
Speaker 5: in New York, but I was raised in Rawway. Yeah,
Speaker 5: And and I think just when it came time to
Speaker 5: do music, like what do you do? Like you know,
Speaker 5: it's like do you do guys with music? Do you
Speaker 5: do house music? Do you do rap? Do you do
Speaker 5: R and B? Do you know?
Speaker 4: I was really struggling with that.
Speaker 5: But I will tell you that, you know several moments
Speaker 5: that was really impactful for me. I remember when like
Speaker 5: going through my dad's vinyl and realized that this was
Speaker 5: somebody's job, like somebody they do this for a living.
Speaker 5: Like I remember taking Stevie Wonder record like so he
Speaker 5: wrote this stuff and like he call he put this
Speaker 5: together like okay, this is a job. I couldn't tell
Speaker 5: how old I was, but I remember that being really impactful. Like,
Speaker 5: I know, my dad goes to work. This person goes
Speaker 5: to work and they do this right, you know. And
Speaker 5: my dad would come home and pick the guitar. But
Speaker 5: we had a guitar like in every room.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: But your dad did he have personal did he have
Speaker 2: like aspiration of being a professional musician or was it
Speaker 2: just like a hobby, just something he did, just.
Speaker 4: A hob just a relief.
Speaker 5: Just really I think when my dad and my dad
Speaker 5: was kind of late in joining the church. When he joined,
Speaker 5: he joined, you know, he became a powerhouse in that
Speaker 5: in that church as a vocalist. My whole family was
Speaker 5: in the church before, mind you, my grandfather as a pastor.
Speaker 5: My dad's brothers were pastors, my mom's brothers were all deacon.
Speaker 5: So everyone had found church before my dad. My dad
Speaker 5: was very reluctant when he found it. Boy, he founded,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 4: And I remember telling me.
Speaker 2: I think it isn't like some of your people. I
Speaker 2: think it is your grandfathers. Like don't you have some
Speaker 2: times in North Carolina? I think either your mom and
Speaker 2: dad to.
Speaker 4: My mom and dad.
Speaker 5: My mom and dad are both from uh from North Carolina. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so a town called Greenville and a little town called
Speaker 5: Stokes is where my family my family.
Speaker 4: Greenville, North Carolina, and Stokes, North Carolina. You know.
Speaker 5: So yeah, and everybody's still there for the most part.
Speaker 5: I had, you know, some family on my mom's side
Speaker 5: moved up north when when my parents relocated, came up
Speaker 5: north and some of that, but for.
Speaker 4: The most part, most of my family's in North Carolina.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So when I first heard a commission we won, I
Speaker 5: think my parents got a tape, a commission tape from
Speaker 5: the family reunion, and I was ironing my clothes and
Speaker 5: I put the tape and I was like, oh, I'll
Speaker 5: just put this tape and listened to some music. I
Speaker 5: didn't know what it was, right, I didn't even catch
Speaker 5: the album cover yet, but I remember I was ironing
Speaker 5: my clothes and I just looked down and my clothes
Speaker 5: are wet, like there was drops of wetness on my
Speaker 5: on my clothes, and I didn't realize that I had
Speaker 5: started crying on my clothes. I'm probably like twelve eleven, twelve,
Speaker 5: thirteen years old, and the music was like punching me
Speaker 5: in the chest, like you literally punched me in the chest.
Speaker 5: I remember this day like it was, Yes, said, I
Speaker 5: remember I saying whatever that is, like point at the
Speaker 5: point at the radio, like whatever that is. Want to
Speaker 5: do that, Like I want to do whatever that is.
Speaker 5: Because it was the most impactful moment. And from that
Speaker 5: moment on, I was like, all right, learn everything I
Speaker 5: can about commission, learned everything I can about who's this
Speaker 5: for him? Guy, I'll learned everything I can about him.
Speaker 5: And uh and then like I said, you know, up
Speaker 5: to that point, just keeping really one hundred. You know,
Speaker 5: a young kid growing up at church. You had an
Speaker 5: excuse when you see I'm not even about the name church.
Speaker 5: People that might not have came off so cool. They
Speaker 5: sounded great, but they didn't come.
Speaker 2: Off so who. They were always like three four years
Speaker 2: behind what was going on.
Speaker 5: Hey, you have to be in the church because you
Speaker 5: kind of corny. You know, you can't, you can't be
Speaker 5: in the clubs. Maybe that's why you that's why you
Speaker 5: singing this, because clearly if you wasn't in his corn
Speaker 5: he maybe you be singing with guy and singing the
Speaker 5: comminisip came out, they had gumbies and jeans on they
Speaker 5: look like they looked fly And I was like, why
Speaker 5: they singing this? There must be something impactful to and
Speaker 5: plus it already kind of blew me away and stuff
Speaker 5: like that, and it was, it was, It was a
Speaker 5: really monument thing. But it really more strengthened my pen
Speaker 5: game and made me say, like, really write something true
Speaker 5: that could be penetrating to somebody. And I think that
Speaker 5: was the first, like first time I got on that
Speaker 5: course of doing that.
Speaker 2: Man, I want to talk to you, or wanted you
Speaker 2: to talk about your parents. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know me and you we been you know,
Speaker 2: we go back. God let me shit, it's almost twenty
Speaker 2: years at this point. You know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 2: you know, man, your parents. You know, I just in
Speaker 2: the time that we work together, and I will always
Speaker 2: see your parents always there like supporting you, helping you,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, pulling up its shows your
Speaker 2: dad and I don't even know if we ever talked
Speaker 2: about this. I know I've never talked about this public.
Speaker 2: But the day that we shot the picture Perfect video,
Speaker 2: when we shot the Picture Perfect video and in Brooklyn,
Speaker 2: I don't even know, if me and you ever talked
Speaker 2: about this, this is one of the worst days of
Speaker 2: my life.
Speaker 4: We have not talked about this.
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, okay, bro listen. So that morning I flew
Speaker 2: into Philly and then because we were shooting in Brooklyn,
Speaker 2: so I flew into Philly and your dad came and
Speaker 2: picked me up from the airport. So this is like,
Speaker 2: oh God, maybe we shot it on like a They
Speaker 2: say we shot on like a Friday or something. I
Speaker 2: don't know, but anyway, we shot it on a Friday.
Speaker 2: And literally I think that Tuesday that was when my
Speaker 2: divorce started. That was when, like me and my you
Speaker 2: know period, we separated. So the day of that picture
Speaker 2: perfect video shoot, I am a fucking wreck.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: As as much as I had, as much as I
Speaker 2: wanted to do it, and as you know, as much
Speaker 2: as I love everybody involved. Man, that shit was a wreck.
Speaker 2: But I was riding in the car with your dad.
Speaker 2: Your dad came and picked me up from the airport
Speaker 2: and then he took us to Brooklyn where the shoot was,
Speaker 2: and so we were sitting in the car, bro and
Speaker 2: you know, and your dad is me Pops is Pops.
Speaker 2: He was a going on young man, what's happening. Let's
Speaker 2: talk about you know, he's just on and I just
Speaker 2: broke down crying and he was just like yo, He's like, man,
Speaker 2: you hight And I never forget this. I asked him myself.
Speaker 2: I said, I said, look, I just got to ask you.
Speaker 2: I said, you know, have you ever you know, thought
Speaker 2: of a time where can you ever remember ever thought
Speaker 2: you know, in all your years of you know, being married,
Speaker 2: he ever thought that like marriage maybe wasn't for you.
Speaker 2: And he was like, he said, oh that's strong. He said,
Speaker 2: that's tough right there.
Speaker 4: Why do you go to a science bro?
Speaker 2: I never forget the ship loongs I lived. So I
Speaker 2: was like, damn, He's like, oh that's tough right there.
Speaker 2: And I never get He gave me some of the
Speaker 2: most like timeless, just most perfect advice that has been
Speaker 2: just like a guiding like you know for everything, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, just in my career and just
Speaker 2: you know, whenever I have to make tough decisions. And
Speaker 2: he just said, he said, well listen, man, he said, look,
Speaker 2: no matter what you choose, no matter what decision you make,
Speaker 2: it's going to be the right decision because it's your decision.
Speaker 4: God Lee.
Speaker 5: No matter what decision you make, it's gonna be the
Speaker 5: right decision because it's your decision, because it's your decision,
Speaker 5: so much like that man bro.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so that was so that was My life
Speaker 2: was changed in like an hour and a half ride
Speaker 2: with this guy. What impact did your parents have on
Speaker 2: your You'll speak to the impact on you as.
Speaker 4: A First of all, why why did you fly to Philly?
Speaker 4: Why did you fly in Philly? We shot in New York.
Speaker 2: I think I can't remember what it was. I think
Speaker 2: we were because I think you're if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 2: I think your parents were bringing your clothes or something.
Speaker 2: They had to drive up to Brooklyn anyway, so I
Speaker 2: think it just made sense. It was like, all right,
Speaker 2: just flying to Philly and not just ride up with pops.
Speaker 2: I think that was the logic.
Speaker 5: But you know, even before I even answer your question,
Speaker 5: the interesting thing is, maybe the reason why you flew
Speaker 5: into Philly is because you needed that time, had that conversation.
Speaker 4: Reasons amazing how things work out.
Speaker 5: But you know, it's, first of all, I've been very
Speaker 5: fortunate to have the most amazing parents in the entire world,
Speaker 5: just the most supportive, supportive, parents from day one to
Speaker 5: just even today, you know what I mean, Like just
Speaker 5: really And that answer is so funny. I always joke
Speaker 5: to say that my dad has never given me a
Speaker 5: straight answer ever in life, right.
Speaker 4: My dad.
Speaker 5: So when I walk to my dad, I'm like, you know,
Speaker 5: heartbroken out of what say, Dad? But did you ever
Speaker 5: go through whatever his answers are, usually that answer is
Speaker 5: so him, whatever decision you make is going to be
Speaker 5: the right decision because your decision right. So so, for example,
Speaker 5: my dad's a junior and he was hell being on
Speaker 5: making sure I wasn't the third reason why. He's like, yo,
Speaker 5: I need you to go your own path. And and
Speaker 5: so Fiver said, like, Dad, you like this outfit? He'd
Speaker 5: be like do you like that outfit? He's like he
Speaker 5: never just goes yeah, it's dope. Not It was my
Speaker 5: entire time of knowing my dad, not one time. Dad,
Speaker 5: you like this hat? I love the hat? Keep rocking.
Speaker 4: He'd be like, Dad, you like this hat? Are you
Speaker 4: wearing it? How does it fig you feel? You know?
Speaker 4: Going the way that hat?
Speaker 5: Right? It's like, what the But what I did notice
Speaker 5: is that throughout my life when I go back and
Speaker 5: like reflect back on the life. He would never give
Speaker 5: me an answer, he'd never give me a direction, but
Speaker 5: he was always like little nudge, Okay, he's a little
Speaker 5: off clothes. No answer, but nudging back again. Like it
Speaker 5: was just putting up, putting up guard rails, putting up
Speaker 5: guardrails throughout my entire life, through all the failed record deals,
Speaker 5: throughout you know, the tough times, trying to struggle going
Speaker 5: back to college and whatever. And my mom was more
Speaker 5: like the I remember when I had left school, you know,
Speaker 5: I did the Warner Brother's thing and I went to
Speaker 5: the Island Records and I was out of school for
Speaker 5: like a year and a half. My mom was like, so,
Speaker 5: what's up with the record deal? And I was like,
Speaker 5: I think it kind of dried up. She like, you know,
Speaker 5: you got your scholarship still, right, You need to go
Speaker 5: to a building like listen.
Speaker 4: So I went.
Speaker 5: I went there the next time and they didn't like
Speaker 5: offer the scholarship. They were like, I was like, my
Speaker 5: I went back and it was like they were like
Speaker 5: nobody was like bringing it back up.
Speaker 4: She said, you need to go in there.
Speaker 5: You need to sing, you need to sign sign autographs,
Speaker 5: you need to hug every single person and you need
Speaker 5: to do whatever you need to do. But when you
Speaker 5: walk out of a building, that scholarship needs to be back.
Speaker 5: And I was like, okay, cool, I walk back.
Speaker 4: I love you. You know you give me a singature
Speaker 4: bar miss for whatever. It's like.
Speaker 2: Meet.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So she was she would be the one who was like,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm gonna give you some direction, this is
Speaker 5: what you need to do, you know whatever, whatever, And it.
Speaker 4: Was the perfect. They're the perfect. I tell you that.
Speaker 5: The two most impactful moments in my childhood my mom
Speaker 5: when I was I think a freshman of high school.
Speaker 5: I remember her coming home and she had quit her
Speaker 5: corporate America jobs she worked for AT and T and
Speaker 5: she was like, I can't do it no more or
Speaker 5: I'm done so on, I'm just unfulfilled. I'm done with it.
Speaker 5: I remember he wasn't talking to she were talking to
Speaker 5: my dad and he was like, okay, all right cool.
Speaker 5: And she equit her job to start a business in fashion. Wow,
Speaker 5: And that was really important, like I own my own business.
Speaker 5: My sister owns her own business now. And I think
Speaker 5: it comes from that day to my mom exactly. But
Speaker 5: then the other part was I think like the next
Speaker 5: day my dad had this Lincoln mox seven white with
Speaker 5: a blue rag top, sweet gorgeous car, and the next
Speaker 5: day he put a full sale sign on it and
Speaker 5: it's sold within hours, like somebody drove by and bought it,
Speaker 5: like boom, And he went and bought this big, old,
Speaker 5: old gray vand to drive my mom's clothes around. So
Speaker 5: it was like the moment was an entrepreneurship and then
Speaker 5: like support your partners.
Speaker 2: Yeah, true sacrifice and support. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 5: And I think, you know, I think I'm an example
Speaker 5: of entrepreneurship. But at the same time, you know, I
Speaker 5: if you anybody knows me, and my wife is like,
Speaker 5: that's how we I'm driving, she holding the map, she
Speaker 5: dropping holding the map, like all right.
Speaker 4: This the turn, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: So I'm constantly trying to figure out what's the gray
Speaker 5: van in my marriage, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: And doing that, and it's it's completely.
Speaker 5: Watching watching my parents, you know, give everything to them,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: It's enormalcy, supportive.
Speaker 5: What I'll tell you, my dad, you know, you know,
Speaker 5: he know by pop everybody calls him pop, and most
Speaker 5: of my friends unfortunately did brow up with dads. You know,
Speaker 5: for whatever reason whatever, And my dad was not just
Speaker 5: my dad. My dad was the dad to my community,
Speaker 5: to all my up So it's like he earned it up.
Speaker 5: He earned that term pop, like to not just in
Speaker 5: high school, not even just college, but then all the
Speaker 5: bands that played from all the musicians that played for me,
Speaker 5: all the times, all the cats he picked up from
Speaker 5: the airport or dude might have been going through a
Speaker 5: hard time, you know, he's he's like, for real, if
Speaker 5: anyone's ever earned that term pop, there's one thing to
Speaker 5: be a dad, you know, and he's been a great
Speaker 5: dad to me, but he's been a pop.
Speaker 4: To like the music community.
Speaker 5: Like these stories I hear all the time because he's
Speaker 5: taking time to invest in everybody. And what's crazy is
Speaker 5: they live ten minutes down the street from me. People
Speaker 5: will go see them. They called they come to see
Speaker 5: Pop and Mama come to see Pop, you know what
Speaker 5: I mean. And I think that that speaks vious, you know,
Speaker 5: for how amazing they are.
Speaker 2: I wanted to go back to one of the things
Speaker 2: that we that I noticed when we first started working together,
Speaker 2: particularly when we would do videos together like we did
Speaker 2: Picture Perfect and then we did we are on the
Speaker 2: move and you know stuff, you have a very much
Speaker 2: uh kind of like a a theater presence, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Like you the thing I noticed when
Speaker 2: we were work is in videos like you use your
Speaker 2: whole body, like you use your hands, you use your
Speaker 2: leg like you do Like I was like, Okay, he's
Speaker 2: like really a performer. And one of the first times
Speaker 2: we went, we did a show together and I remember
Speaker 2: at the end of the show, I was just sitting
Speaker 2: on the side watch him. And at the end of
Speaker 2: the show, you was like, you know, you're like, yo,
Speaker 2: my name is Eric Roberson and it has been my
Speaker 2: great honor to perform for you tonight. And that is
Speaker 2: just something that that really resonated with me and and
Speaker 2: I you know, I never forgot that because it's something
Speaker 2: that I think a lot of artists don't really take
Speaker 2: and understand the importance of giving a performance, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, of using the stage as you know,
Speaker 2: as your place to really perform and express yourself and
Speaker 2: give the audience an experience. And I have to think
Speaker 2: that a lot of that came from your experience in
Speaker 2: Howard in the musical theater department, and I just wanted
Speaker 2: to you know, touch on that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean because my sister I grew up doing theater,
Speaker 5: really got heavy into it in like junior high in
Speaker 5: high school, and then I got a scholarship to Howard
Speaker 5: and going to my parents saying, hey, I want to
Speaker 5: I want to if I could have majored in R
Speaker 5: and B out of major in R and B.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: If I could have majored in commission, I would have major,
Speaker 5: but obviously that didn't exist, so there was a musical
Speaker 5: theater major. I went and saw a performance of dream
Speaker 5: Girls before five went to Howard. I was blown away
Speaker 5: by like just the talent day. I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: I gotta get it together. And I'll tell you it
Speaker 5: was a blessing going. You know, first of all, I
Speaker 5: was around just killers. The teachers were great, the students
Speaker 5: were great. Just you saw the future of theater, the
Speaker 5: future of acting, the future of everything in that in
Speaker 5: that department. The third floor is the music department, the
Speaker 5: first floor is the theater department. And I probably learned
Speaker 5: more about music on the first floor in theater because
Speaker 5: theater was talking about like character development and like you know,
Speaker 5: if you say, but it's true.
Speaker 4: Well, what is true?
Speaker 2: Mean?
Speaker 5: What's true to you? And we might talk ten minutes
Speaker 5: about just the word true. So let's back it up.
Speaker 5: What's the first time you ever heard true? Where were
Speaker 5: you at the first time you ever heard that word?
Speaker 5: I heard it when I was in kindergarten? Okay, was
Speaker 5: it true then? And then you know it's like the
Speaker 5: teachers would dissect it. Now say it again. Now you're like,
Speaker 5: so is it true? If I can even say it
Speaker 5: tears falling out. I mean, it was like dissecting it.
Speaker 5: Now you talk about like trying to write songs and
Speaker 5: things like that, What if I bring this into that area?
Speaker 5: What if I bring feed or into these It's all.
Speaker 4: Us as singers and rappers, we're just characters. The songs
Speaker 4: are just scripts. You know. The music is just the
Speaker 4: scene and read the stage is the scene. It's like,
Speaker 4: you know what.
Speaker 5: So it's like, how can we bring this to another
Speaker 5: another level? And for me, whether it's in the studio,
Speaker 5: whether it's on stage, whatever, Yeah, it's like, how can
Speaker 5: we bring this this character? Not not just that if
Speaker 5: I'm sad, the bass player needs to be sad.
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't he just pouring my life to
Speaker 2: be telling the same story.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we all gotta be telling the same story, so
Speaker 5: the drummer can't be happy, like and I'm sitting here
Speaker 5: like how could you let me Dad?
Speaker 4: Or vice versa. You know.
Speaker 5: So I think I think a lot of my friends
Speaker 5: from Howard are surprised I didn't follow a career theater,
Speaker 5: but when I also feel like I fulfill my my
Speaker 5: theater needs in my music, in my writing and my performance.
Speaker 2: As Welle, you know.
Speaker 5: And I think the choice a lot of it came
Speaker 5: for my desire to write, like sure in out of
Speaker 5: auditioning and then rehearsing and probably not doing my own material,
Speaker 5: I'll be taking on other characters. With this one, I
Speaker 5: was like I could write about you know, I could
Speaker 5: really dive into it, and it worked. I think when
Speaker 5: people listen even to my music, if not every most song,
Speaker 5: you're gonna find a song on every album where it's
Speaker 5: like it's musical theater, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Now You Had You was a record I forgot which
Speaker 2: album was on. It was called The Magician. I think
Speaker 2: where you like when speaking from the aspect magic and
Speaker 2: I was just like, man, I would never do a
Speaker 2: song like that. I would be so scared to do
Speaker 2: a record like that. I don't know, it's just I was.
Speaker 2: I just thought it was just a really bread choice.
Speaker 2: But you always took those kind of choices where you
Speaker 2: would really like embody a character. I mean, it's one
Speaker 2: thing to rap as that character, right, It's one thing
Speaker 2: to be Secrick and like you know, you know the
Speaker 2: cops shot to kid, you know, like to do all
Speaker 2: the voices, but you don't really see that in in
Speaker 2: R and B as singers. And I always thought that
Speaker 2: was really admirable and just always admired you for taking
Speaker 2: those kind of choice, those kind of chances and your stuff.
Speaker 5: I appreciate it. I appreciate it. But you know I
Speaker 5: learned I learned a lot from your pen. You know,
Speaker 5: if I and even say this, you know, the first
Speaker 5: time I ever witnessed it a person writing a song
Speaker 5: without writing it down was watching you when we did
Speaker 5: be in love. And remember it, yes we did have
Speaker 5: been in love. You were having a conversation with my dad.
Speaker 5: I was setting the music up and my dad was talking,
Speaker 5: and you took my dad's conversation. Remember this day was yesterday,
Speaker 5: the exact conversation, and you made it rhyme and you
Speaker 5: you were like the beat was ready and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm ready, and then you just walked in and took
Speaker 5: everything that y'all I were talking about and just rhymed
Speaker 5: it down. It blew me away that somehow you processed
Speaker 5: all that in your head without putting on paper.
Speaker 4: And it took me some time.
Speaker 5: But you know, probably I haven't written a song down
Speaker 5: probably for the last ten years, probably.
Speaker 4: Like you know. So a lot of it is like
Speaker 4: seeing what you did.
Speaker 5: Of course hearing what Biggie's doing and hearing jay Z,
Speaker 5: but then seeing what you did, and then for me
Speaker 5: applying like theater background. For me, my first thing is like,
Speaker 5: all right, who do I want to be in the song?
Speaker 5: What's the character? The more the more developed the character is,
Speaker 5: then I just hit record because now I just gotta
Speaker 5: make a rhyme. The objective is all there, the character's
Speaker 5: all there, and then and it just make a rhyme.
Speaker 5: But a lot of it was sparked from like watching
Speaker 5: you do it. I was like that's I was like, yo,
Speaker 5: did this cat just literally first of all, not just
Speaker 5: like did you wrote a song in your head? But
Speaker 5: you wrote a song in your head while talking to somebody.
Speaker 2: That's I mean, yeah, I mean that was just that
Speaker 2: was again just your pop man, like that was Pops.
Speaker 2: He just you know, would just come in and just
Speaker 2: drop these jewels and he just start talking and all right,
Speaker 2: yong man, well tell me about let me talk to
Speaker 2: you about this, and he just be talking and I'm
Speaker 2: just soaking this shit in. I'm like, man, And so
Speaker 2: I just went in and did it. And the crazy
Speaker 2: stuff now is like kind of the roads are reverse
Speaker 2: because you don't write down and I'm constantly like writing
Speaker 2: prompts like in my phone. Like I think. I think
Speaker 2: for me what change was the process because at that
Speaker 2: time we did been in love. Man, that was shit.
Speaker 2: That was damn old five six some of that. And
Speaker 2: so at that time, that's when we were recording at
Speaker 2: the studio, and so that was just kind of my process.
Speaker 2: I would just turn a beat on, just crank it up,
Speaker 2: and I would just walk around pace just kind of
Speaker 2: just you know, run it in my head, just kind
Speaker 2: of write the verse in my head with the music up.
Speaker 2: But then around like oh nine, that was when and
Speaker 2: it's in the studio, it's in we're in some we're
Speaker 2: in the studio. So you know, time is money. We
Speaker 2: just want to be efficient. So that was how we learned.
Speaker 2: Just in those early Little Brother records, it's like, all right,
Speaker 2: get in, get out, you know what I'm saying. It
Speaker 2: just had to be you had to be on it.
Speaker 2: So around like oh nine, once we moved back to
Speaker 2: when I built my studio at the crib, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, my kids are here. I can't be just
Speaker 2: cranking to three in the morning, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So my process changed, and so that was when I
Speaker 2: kind of had to go back to just like actually
Speaker 2: writing either on paper or you know, sometime my phone
Speaker 2: or whatever, but just going there. And so from the
Speaker 2: time when we were working at first, it just my
Speaker 2: whole thing was just like one take. I gotta get
Speaker 2: it down. It's just one take, one take, Jake, just
Speaker 2: is what it's got to be. But once I got
Speaker 2: home and uh talking to another co collaborative, our was
Speaker 2: fall Manch talking to him, and he had a completely
Speaker 2: different approach, and he would say, he said, Man, when
Speaker 2: I go to the booth, I treat it like I'm
Speaker 2: a director, you know what I'm saying. He said, So
Speaker 2: I look at my verse like Okay, I'll do a take,
Speaker 2: but it's like, hmm, the and in that verse, I
Speaker 2: may want to stick that better cause that'll lend and
Speaker 2: I'll just go in and get just the and you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like he is surgical with this ship.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. And hearing that approach, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And so that was kind of where I'm at with it.
Speaker 2: Now it's much more a lot more kind of methodical.
Speaker 5: First of all, you know, listen this can you already know?
Speaker 5: You know what I'm sayings know, I think ahead, I
Speaker 5: put my money on anybody.
Speaker 2: Come on, just god, come on, what were talking?
Speaker 4: You know, just such a you.
Speaker 5: You always had such a unique approach and it's so interesting.
Speaker 4: But like I said, the process changes.
Speaker 5: I'm a I'm a fan of people's process is one
Speaker 5: of my favorite words in the time. You don't hear
Speaker 5: me saying several times even in this interview, but I
Speaker 5: and people always ask me, like, who would you love
Speaker 5: to collaborate?
Speaker 4: I said, I love. I just love to watch.
Speaker 5: I love just be in a room when Pharah Manch
Speaker 5: is working or when Eric ab i Do is work.
Speaker 5: You know, when Fante's working, like just so I can
Speaker 5: see the process of how somebody's putting something together.
Speaker 4: It's amazing. And guess what, it always works differently for different.
Speaker 2: And it's always different. That's the thing. Everybody's thing is different, man,
Speaker 2: And it's just yeah, I remember, like you know, when
Speaker 2: we were working and you know, and I would see
Speaker 2: just kind of you know, because you would I would
Speaker 2: tune into the process like your your you know, your
Speaker 2: your platform, and I was just again, it was just
Speaker 2: one of those things, you know, for for for people listening,
Speaker 2: you know, ero, he has a thing. Is it still
Speaker 2: on Patreon? Is it still still Patreon? Yeah? I called
Speaker 2: the process where you know, he pretty much just netflixed himself,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But he was ahead of
Speaker 2: Curve you I mean, you did this ship then ten
Speaker 2: years ago. But you know, but he has a thing
Speaker 2: called the Process where you can just tune in and
Speaker 2: watch him create songs. And that is just again just
Speaker 2: one of those things where I'm just like, dude, I
Speaker 2: would never like, never, like, oh my god, like having
Speaker 2: cameras in the studio while I'm like, bro, that is yo.
Speaker 2: I would rather you have a camera in the dressing
Speaker 2: room while I'm like trying on sweatmans or some ship
Speaker 2: like camera in the studio while I'm creative, Are you
Speaker 2: fucking kidding me? Like, I just, I just I can't
Speaker 2: do it, bro, I just it freaks me out.
Speaker 5: I learned this quickly with you. Me and you have
Speaker 5: done a million songs. But when we decided to take
Speaker 5: Ale album right when we did the Man album, it
Speaker 5: was very obvious to me, Okay, I am one who
Speaker 5: wants to go through it to figure it out. You're
Speaker 5: one who wants to figure it out before you go
Speaker 5: through it. It was to me exact we were so
Speaker 5: exact opposite that we actually were the same in some
Speaker 5: form of fashion, right, And it worked out, it complimented.
Speaker 4: But it was like, you know, I'm definitely one who's like.
Speaker 5: Put cameras on me, like I'll do it, like I'm
Speaker 5: down to like just go against the wall.
Speaker 4: Like whatever you like.
Speaker 5: Nah, bro, we ain't throwing nothing against the wall, you know,
Speaker 5: shot to the head, And I think, degree, you know how,
Speaker 5: maybe I was there to pull you a bit off center.
Speaker 4: That's absolutely.
Speaker 5: I had a beautiful thing about the conversation about collaboration,
Speaker 5: How amazing the collaboration it is. But it's like you
Speaker 5: were able to pull me off center and I was
Speaker 5: able to pull you off center, and that's where the
Speaker 5: magic of all that, you know, laid that right there.
Speaker 5: But yet we had we definitely had two different type
Speaker 5: of theories when we came in to do that album.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean of just stopped.
Speaker 5: Throwing stuff against the wall because this is not that's
Speaker 5: not gonna work. He's not gonna understand like this, he's
Speaker 5: not only we ain't just throw it some against the
Speaker 5: wall like No, we planted out our shots and we're
Speaker 5: going with ten for ten.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be ten for ten.
Speaker 2: Listen, man, listen.
Speaker 4: Nah.
Speaker 2: It was so informal because I just had never because
Speaker 2: I had I was never that person that you know,
Speaker 2: and I always admired you know that, and that was
Speaker 2: something working with you in a lot of ways, it
Speaker 2: kind of reminded me of working with Pooh, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, NLB, because Pooh was like that coming up,
Speaker 2: like Poo who was the guy that who would just
Speaker 2: record non stop. He would just go in and just
Speaker 2: bang bang rap gang and he was way more prolific
Speaker 2: than I was. And you know, that was something that
Speaker 2: I always admired, you know what I mean, because I
Speaker 2: just was never like that. It just always felt like
Speaker 2: I was wasting people time. I'm like, yo, if I
Speaker 2: ain't really coming with no heat, like I'm gonna just
Speaker 2: shut the fuck up because I ain't you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, I ain't. I ain't trying to be. I
Speaker 2: had just experiment and like when I show up, I
Speaker 2: wanted to be for real. And so we were working
Speaker 2: on that album. First off, you know, for everybody listening
Speaker 2: at home to this day, I have no idea how
Speaker 2: we finished that record. Idea that was at the time
Speaker 2: because I think you were were you about to have
Speaker 2: your third son at that time or had he just
Speaker 2: been born?
Speaker 5: He had just been born, so so so me and
Speaker 5: I decided we're gonna make an album. And we had
Speaker 5: been talking for about two years about planning to straight up,
Speaker 5: you wait till you went on.
Speaker 4: Tour and you call. I remember a phone call.
Speaker 5: You said, E I'm ready, let's start. Let's start it.
Speaker 5: At that point, we weren't called to.
Speaker 2: Have a title.
Speaker 5: Let start the album. And I said, oh, that's that's great.
Speaker 5: I'm in the hospital. My wife had a baby, and
Speaker 5: you was kind of like that's dope, but this is
Speaker 5: the window, Like this is the window, like this.
Speaker 4: Is I was like literally holding the child, like.
Speaker 5: Okay, if this is the window, then let's go now,
Speaker 5: mind you you know, to help out one thing. This
Speaker 5: is my third child in you know, in probably six years.
Speaker 5: So we we were having a child like ten at
Speaker 5: little break sae like a three year break, and then
Speaker 5: we had another child.
Speaker 4: Right, so.
Speaker 5: I've been recording with kids in my hand, you know,
Speaker 5: like for the last seven years pretty much last five
Speaker 5: years whatever.
Speaker 4: So I was, you know, okay, all right, cool.
Speaker 5: But literally the next like two days later, we were
Speaker 5: we were cutting and I mean ninety percent of that
Speaker 5: record was cut literally with that kid like I hold him.
Speaker 5: I said it in one of the songs.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So we were like but then you were like, like
Speaker 5: I said, you were in a different state. I feel
Speaker 5: like it was in a different state every time you
Speaker 5: sent me something. We at no point we would ever,
Speaker 5: we didn't see each other. What's crazy style, bro? Like
Speaker 5: it was straight up justly album cover.
Speaker 4: Everything was just hilarious how it all came together.
Speaker 5: But yet as locked in, we could not have been
Speaker 5: anymore locked in. And I think that's the that's the
Speaker 5: magic of it. You know, I think, which is which
Speaker 5: is really really special. When I go back and listen
Speaker 5: to songs, you know, they were they were amazing. I
Speaker 5: mean it was a blur because it was really crazy
Speaker 5: little blur.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that record, man, listen, I mean that record
Speaker 2: made me just a better musician all the way around,
Speaker 2: just you know, better singer songwriter, because it was just
Speaker 2: it was very much for me. It was just to
Speaker 2: thing of just kind of iron sharpening iron. And you know,
Speaker 2: I've just always just been a believer in you know,
Speaker 2: when you're collaborating with people that you respect, you know,
Speaker 2: you just always want to you want to be on
Speaker 2: your best behavior, so to speak. You know, you always
Speaker 2: want to make sure you show up as the best
Speaker 2: because you know, I knew like you just had a kid.
Speaker 2: Twenty sixteen, that was when yeah, I lost my dad
Speaker 2: and my man. Yeah, the night we did I think
Speaker 2: the night we did Atlanta. It was like shortly after that.
Speaker 2: I can't remember it was. This was twenty it's twenty sixteen,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I lost like my my granddad died on
Speaker 2: like Tuesday, and then my dad died on like Sunday,
Speaker 2: and all of this shit was happening while We're in
Speaker 2: the middle of the record, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And so I knew that you were showing up. I'm like,
Speaker 2: he just had a kid, Like I got through what
Speaker 2: I'm going through, but man, fuck this, like I you know,
Speaker 2: I'm staying in this. We're gonna finish this, you know.
Speaker 2: And uh And I always admire just you know, your efficiency,
Speaker 2: just because I knew working with you, I'm like, I
Speaker 2: know this will get done. I know to get done.
Speaker 2: And I just always, you know, wanted to just maintain
Speaker 2: that trust. It's like, yo, if Erro sent me something
Speaker 2: he knows is I'm knocking it out and it's over with.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we we have. I mean, we've had a great
Speaker 4: relationship over music.
Speaker 5: It was it was it was time and we of
Speaker 5: course we showed up with We showed at the right time,
Speaker 5: but it was it was the craziest.
Speaker 4: Time that it was crazy to do an album.
Speaker 5: But you know what, it was even funny though, like
Speaker 5: the whole how we take Alero, we said that as
Speaker 5: a joke, as a joke, like that was the way
Speaker 5: we send it to each other.
Speaker 4: I could have Lero and you said the verse and eventually.
Speaker 2: Like said, it's the album, like why you bullshit?
Speaker 5: And this might be she might be to that, you know,
Speaker 5: so listen, man. But once again, that was the happy
Speaker 5: medium of like going through it to see if it works.
Speaker 5: We see it works before we go through, kind of
Speaker 5: like you know, because at no point we was committed,
Speaker 5: were just having fun, but eventually was like.
Speaker 4: That took a lot of card job.
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, a little bit. I'm not tired of it,
Speaker 2: Like I keep saying it, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: like this might be it so fun time I want
Speaker 2: to I want to ask you, man, so back to
Speaker 2: your your days at Howard and your first deal on
Speaker 2: Warner Brothers. First off, you have no idea how excited
Speaker 2: I was to find out that you wrote the Moon,
Speaker 2: that the Moon was your song. I mean the Moon was.
Speaker 2: I mean, man, the Moon was one of those songs
Speaker 2: that I literally remember hearing it one time on the
Speaker 2: radio when I was probably like I don't know, twelve
Speaker 2: or thirteen or something, and I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: like who the fuck is this? This shit is amazing,
Speaker 2: and never heard it again, and so then you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, fifteen, have many years later, I'm like, oh, shit,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? How did you get that
Speaker 2: that Warner Brothers deal? What was that process like of
Speaker 2: signing with them?
Speaker 5: So my sophomore year, the group Shi who also was Howered.
Speaker 5: They had a big song. So they met adj right
Speaker 5: and they sung the song for him two weeks A
Speaker 5: week later, they were on the radio with him.
Speaker 4: Two weeks later Senior Hall.
Speaker 5: Two weeks after that, they were millions of copies later.
Speaker 5: You know, it just went, it just exploded, and it
Speaker 5: was crazy because all of us were singing and doing
Speaker 5: stuff on campus, but we were at that point, I
Speaker 5: was just trying to be the dopest on campus. I
Speaker 5: didn't even think this could be something outside of this,
Speaker 5: And that was big. But the bigger part of it
Speaker 5: was also like, what, here's my demo, Like just when
Speaker 5: you get to LA just passed it to somebody.
Speaker 2: And these were songs that you were recorded previously before.
Speaker 5: They just like my demo at that time, my demo
Speaker 5: at that time, which was just I want to say,
Speaker 5: the moon was probably on it. No, no, that's not true.
Speaker 5: Let me think for a second. No, So all right,
Speaker 5: So Derek, who was a member of uh of Shah Carl,
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, remember of Shot introduced me to his brother.
Speaker 5: His brother was in the group and he had some
Speaker 5: producers that were under Teddy Riley, and they sent me
Speaker 5: the track and that's what I wrote, wrote the Moon,
Speaker 5: and then of course the phones at that point. At
Speaker 5: that point, now I'm doing class and every weekend I'm
Speaker 5: pretty much like flying out to uh take meetings and stuff.
Speaker 5: Medina met with Little Salas before he passed and uh,
Speaker 5: just running past label at the label at the label
Speaker 5: and what was a.
Speaker 2: Little Solace like? Man, he's this very time. You know,
Speaker 2: we don't really we get few people out here that
Speaker 2: I have worked with him. But what was he like?
Speaker 2: He was the guy for everyone listening. Little Solace Junior
Speaker 2: was the he was guy over at m c A Records.
Speaker 2: You know, he played the you know, big role you
Speaker 2: know new edition. Uh he formed Solace Records like Shante
Speaker 2: Moore more like he was he was kind of one
Speaker 2: of the one of the old Jesus. What was he like?
Speaker 5: I just had one meeting with him, but I remember
Speaker 5: he was shooting straight from the hip. But I her
Speaker 5: from him was he said, uh, and this was interesting
Speaker 5: because when I look back, so he's like, uh, listen,
Speaker 5: I just want to take a meeting with you. I
Speaker 5: think you already decided. You know, you're going through the
Speaker 5: Warner Brothers thing. But I just wanted to meet with you.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: I like your music this and that and whatever whatever,
Speaker 4: and I was like I appreciate it, you know.
Speaker 5: And I was kind of like why you like, why
Speaker 5: do you think? I like, why am I here if
Speaker 5: you think I'm already going to Warner Brothers. At that point,
Speaker 5: I really was going to Warner Brothers. I was deciding.
Speaker 5: He's like, I wanted to meet what you kind of
Speaker 5: talk with you? And before I left the room, he
Speaker 5: was like, so good man, hey man, the music's dope. Man, listen,
Speaker 5: if you want this you know something over here and
Speaker 5: just let you know, man, I don't know why you're
Speaker 5: going to Warner Brothers because Benn ain't gonna be here
Speaker 5: for long.
Speaker 4: That's the last thing he said. As I walked out
Speaker 4: the door, like I was like, okay, all right now.
Speaker 5: I walked out the door like whatever, And sure enough
Speaker 5: I signed the deal and Benny was out the door.
Speaker 5: Benn and Denny was like focus on Fresh Prince of
Speaker 5: bel Air like after and I was like, well, he
Speaker 5: leave I'm leaving. But but I never thought of like
Speaker 5: I didn't even think. I just didn't even put and
Speaker 5: two together, you know.
Speaker 2: And yeah, that's something that a lot of artists I
Speaker 2: even talked to like now just about how like you know,
Speaker 2: it's signing to a label. That's just one of kind
Speaker 2: of the pitfalls you can have where it's like you
Speaker 2: can have your guy or your girl, your person that's
Speaker 2: really riding for you that you might sign to or
Speaker 2: whatever they'll get you signed, but if they leave, you
Speaker 2: kind of lose your advocate, like you ain't got nobody
Speaker 2: fighting for you, and you just are back and square one.
Speaker 5: What I will tell you was almost almost immediately I
Speaker 5: got signed to Island Records. And the interesting was when
Speaker 5: I went when I signed with Warner Brothers, I signed
Speaker 5: in LA and it was like stop.
Speaker 4: Today, everybody is that robertson day? Hey? Right?
Speaker 5: And then when I went to when I showed up
Speaker 5: to Island, I took the train in New York. When
Speaker 5: I got there, it was like just a lawyer in
Speaker 5: the n or my boy Leois Clibborn shot out to Liotis.
Speaker 2: It was just the two of them. It's like a
Speaker 2: lawyer Liotis.
Speaker 5: I was like, where's the cake, and like where's the
Speaker 5: you know, it's a five straight business. They were like,
Speaker 5: it's just it's quiet day. I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 5: all right, signing ever, took pictures, whatever, and then I
Speaker 5: think I got back on the train. I might I
Speaker 5: stay to day in New York and then like the
Speaker 5: next day I got home. But when I got back,
Speaker 5: I remember my manager called me and going, yo, Hire
Speaker 5: Micks just got signed as President Ireland.
Speaker 4: And I knew immediately what that meant.
Speaker 5: It was like, so, why the hell do we just
Speaker 5: signed there, because he's gonna come and wipe every wipe
Speaker 5: everybody out, and sure enough he did.
Speaker 4: He came in.
Speaker 5: Was like Leota's lost his job. Then it was like
Speaker 5: contracts just and she just wiped the whole thing out.
Speaker 5: And it's crazy because you know, initially you heard your ego,
Speaker 5: you know, because at first it was like yo, listen
Speaker 5: to the music.
Speaker 4: First he's like, I don't even care. No, I got
Speaker 4: my home, I got my whole team.
Speaker 5: I'm bringing he didn't jail and yeah, he's like, I'm
Speaker 5: bringing my whole thing in and and then later I
Speaker 5: ended working with Hiring. It was it was fine because
Speaker 5: when I worked, when I was at this point years later,
Speaker 5: I'm like, let's get this money. Like I'm not even tripping,
Speaker 5: like you not even up, you knowing worried about that,
Speaker 5: Let's get this money. But but you understand that, Like
Speaker 5: that's how it was. President come in, They're like, I
Speaker 5: don't care what was here before. I'm bringing my guys.
Speaker 5: I do that, I'm bringing my people in and this
Speaker 5: and that and that, and I had to learn that
Speaker 5: was the biggest lesson for me, that like my music
Speaker 5: can't save me, Like you got to be on point.
Speaker 5: You gotta be on point because like you can't sing
Speaker 5: your way out of this. This cat didn't care what
Speaker 5: the music sounded like. He was like, let's get out,
Speaker 5: like you out of here. So that's when I really
Speaker 5: started learning. And another thing was really important too, So
Speaker 5: Beni Madina's office had this wall of like CDs and
Speaker 5: tapes and that's from ceiling to floor, the entire wall,
Speaker 5: like it's missions of just music period.
Speaker 2: Was just music period.
Speaker 5: And I've been in this office probably like ten times
Speaker 5: right just over the last two months or whatever it was,
Speaker 5: and there's like a whole row of prints. There's all
Speaker 5: the other names I don't know, I mean just music, music, music.
Speaker 5: And then when I got signed, I think they said, well,
Speaker 5: what do you want to do next? You have had
Speaker 5: enough time to catch some food or whatever. I said,
Speaker 5: I want you to change my flight and give me
Speaker 5: some headphones. I want to listen to this wall. It
Speaker 5: was the first time I felt like I had the
Speaker 5: right to say that. And I stayed there that night
Speaker 5: just going through, like just pulling every CD, every tape,
Speaker 5: every day out and just listening that whole wall. And
Speaker 5: it was the most amazing musical night in my life,
Speaker 5: hearing Prince songs I never heard for and then like, well,
Speaker 5: who's this cat? Oh that's the new day we signed?
Speaker 5: Is ALM supposed to come out whatever?
Speaker 4: Whatever?
Speaker 5: And then you never hear that and his people are here,
Speaker 5: who could clearly be the next Prince, But it never
Speaker 5: saw the light of day. It was just like this
Speaker 5: wall was crazy wow. But it never left me that
Speaker 5: like what happened to all those people, Like what happened
Speaker 5: all that music? Like you know, And I think one
Speaker 5: of the reasons why I kind of went like the
Speaker 5: whole independent route was like I never wanted to be
Speaker 5: one of the people on that wall, like it just
Speaker 5: that that scared the hell out of me, Like, yo,
Speaker 5: this this is life changing music up here that's never
Speaker 5: going to be released.
Speaker 4: It's never going to see a lot of day.
Speaker 2: And the only reason I'm hearing it is because I'm
Speaker 2: actually signed to these.
Speaker 5: Right right, the only reason I ever heard it. And
Speaker 5: then you know, we we were writing songs and producer
Speaker 5: songs for people. We've we've done whole albums on people
Speaker 5: and the albums never come out.
Speaker 4: So you're like, you're.
Speaker 5: Like, you know, I remember like wanting to be an
Speaker 5: artist but yet having a career as a songwriter and
Speaker 5: seeing an artist get signed, see them flying in, getting
Speaker 5: put into some glorious hotel and recording for a month,
Speaker 5: and you think, Okay, it could really pop for this person.
Speaker 5: And then whether it's the president, label, the A and
Speaker 5: R department, marketing team, whatever, they're like nah, And then
Speaker 5: that person is back and it's just over doing hair
Speaker 5: or structured with It's over. It's like, how wait a minute,
Speaker 5: how is it that never set right with me? You know,
Speaker 5: like how is it just over? So the Island Warner
Speaker 5: Brothers thing was really really tough after that, Like so
Speaker 5: I went back to school, and I was tough because
Speaker 5: you got to think out during the moontime. I was
Speaker 5: in school, So I was in class while that song
Speaker 5: was playing on the radio and the video was playing.
Speaker 5: And then I was like, well, I'm leaving to go
Speaker 5: focus on the album and blow up show off the
Speaker 5: next one, you know, And and then the deal started
Speaker 5: falling apart, Like as soon as I left school, it
Speaker 5: was like pooooo, Like life really hit and and I
Speaker 5: had to like really, But so when I went back
Speaker 5: on campus, it was like what you're doing back?
Speaker 4: What is that? You know? And it was humbling. It
Speaker 4: was really really humbling.
Speaker 5: But my pen wouldn't be what it is today if
Speaker 5: it wasn't for that time going back. I became a
Speaker 5: better student every like the person you know now it's
Speaker 5: that person who show back up at that school like learning,
Speaker 5: like oh I need more, I need to know more.
Speaker 2: When you when you were with Warner that was was
Speaker 2: that an album deal or was it just a single
Speaker 2: deal for the moon? Like?
Speaker 4: So it was it was.
Speaker 5: A single deal. Uh, it was a single deal. And
Speaker 5: before we could even go into the song was thirty
Speaker 5: three on the charts. And then Benny left, so it
Speaker 5: was like wow, and I think we were moving towards.
Speaker 5: It was moving towards like we're gonna do a whole
Speaker 5: album deal. And then I did an album deal with
Speaker 5: with Ireland and then like I said that one, that
Speaker 5: one wiped out as fast as you possibly imagine. But
Speaker 5: I remember, like the song the Moon was doing great.
Speaker 5: It was doing great for me. It was growing, it
Speaker 5: was climbing, and then it was like, blessed move because
Speaker 5: it was it was a great song. Yeah, clearly was
Speaker 5: about to have it here as bad, like you know,
Speaker 5: and and it was just a whole little president hop
Speaker 5: for for a nice man. It seemed like a year,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, just trying to go from
Speaker 5: one of one label to another.
Speaker 2: Man. Please tell the story as much as you want
Speaker 2: to tell. Please tell the story of doing your promotional
Speaker 2: tour with l de Barge all Varner Brothers. This is
Speaker 2: one of the greatest hour you told me this story.
Speaker 2: I never get. We was at the Guy, We was
Speaker 2: at the damn Bob Evans somewhere in the middle of Jersey.
Speaker 4: I don't know where.
Speaker 2: I remember we was at the Bob Evans like one
Speaker 2: morning show.
Speaker 5: So there's so many levels of it. There's so many
Speaker 5: levels of the story. But what I would tell you
Speaker 5: and just respectfully, I remember I remember one thing. I
Speaker 5: remember one thing the rep, the Warner Brother's rep said,
Speaker 5: if if Elle ever calls you even five o'clock in
Speaker 5: the morning once to play pool, go play pool with him.
Speaker 5: You know, He's like, go play pool. If he ever
Speaker 5: needs to talk, he needs to hang out, Like this
Speaker 5: is one of your main reasons for being on this tour,
Speaker 5: is like if he ever needs you, like follow through
Speaker 5: answer the call. And you know, we all know that
Speaker 5: El the bar just had some some substance issues whatever,
Speaker 5: and this was doing his clean period, so I think
Speaker 5: that what he was talking about, it's like, you know,
Speaker 5: if you ever want to play pool, he needs to
Speaker 5: go out and play pool.
Speaker 4: Let me whatever.
Speaker 5: So you know, we became fast friends that in that time.
Speaker 5: And he was just so amazing man. Like every hotel
Speaker 5: we showed up, he went and set at a piano.
Speaker 5: He almost do a whole concert in that lobby, like
Speaker 5: just waiting for our rooms or just just he was
Speaker 5: sitting at a piano.
Speaker 4: Every time. He was just so musical. We would do
Speaker 4: a show.
Speaker 5: I mean we did a show I think in Connecticut
Speaker 5: and the sound system was just horrible. He's still on
Speaker 5: the stage and he waited and the sound was just trash,
Speaker 5: and he waited let everybody crash and burn, and right
Speaker 5: before the open doors, he said, hey, brother, can I
Speaker 5: just come over there? He talked exactly what he said.
Speaker 5: He's saying, come over there and just just look at
Speaker 5: the mixing board if that's all right, And God was like, yeah, sure.
Speaker 5: In like probably ten minutes, he took the mic back
Speaker 5: there and he started turning knobs and he cleared all drama,
Speaker 5: like all clouds just clear. And the sound sounded enormously
Speaker 5: incredible that night. And that's just how he was. He
Speaker 5: was like he knew how to work everything. He was
Speaker 5: a concert professional. He had been through everything. We were
Speaker 5: driving one time and I told him said, Yo, man,
Speaker 5: I really like your album.
Speaker 4: The album is great.
Speaker 5: We were going they were taking a limit from Connecticut
Speaker 5: to Boston. I think it was something like that, driving it,
Speaker 5: and he says, man, I was this Alams a money album.
Speaker 2: I would never forget this out, the money out because
Speaker 2: you had told him, because you had told him it
Speaker 2: was a good He's like, Yo, this is a good album.
Speaker 5: He was like oh no, this a money This ain't
Speaker 5: a good album. This is a money album. He said,
Speaker 5: I'm doing my money album so I can get a
Speaker 5: chance to do a good album. And he was like,
Speaker 5: he's like Marvin Gay did money albums till he was
Speaker 5: able to do a good album. By Marley did money albums,
Speaker 5: He's able to do it. He just ran down the
Speaker 5: line and then he just said, so this right here,
Speaker 5: that's just a money album because I'm getting ready to
Speaker 5: do a good album. And he just went just wandered off,
Speaker 5: and I just love me figuring like I need to
Speaker 5: do my good album, a good album, right.
Speaker 4: You know. It's like every I mean, he just had.
Speaker 5: I could have made a T shirt off of everything,
Speaker 5: he said, you know what I mean. You know I
Speaker 5: remember we were at his birthday party and uh and.
Speaker 2: Was this the don't don't fall in love man?
Speaker 4: He saw he saw my eyes were glistening that night.
Speaker 4: He was like, he said, hey, man, don't fall in love.
Speaker 4: Just don't fall in love. I was like to like.
Speaker 2: The wisdom of LSD I make a whole album, or
Speaker 2: the wisdom of l But it was just it was
Speaker 2: to learn like a constant professional man.
Speaker 5: His showmanship on and off stage was just you know,
Speaker 5: he was just tough and it you know.
Speaker 4: And also I was a person.
Speaker 5: It was probably the start of I was a person
Speaker 5: who always had vocal issues. I mean I got horse,
Speaker 5: I mean, mind you, I was like two songs in
Speaker 5: the show and then got the Way and those two songs,
Speaker 5: I was struggling to maintain up. I was getting horse
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. So to see somebody who sang
Speaker 5: all day on stage off stage, it really it really
Speaker 5: blew me away. And it was probably on the steps
Speaker 5: of like how do I get to that point? How
Speaker 5: do I get to a point where I can get
Speaker 5: more health like really healthier.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that was the start of it. Like and
Speaker 4: I was. I was nineteen really so I was. It was.
Speaker 5: It was crazy, but it was a good learning lesson
Speaker 5: for me, Like, yo, this is this if you're gonna
Speaker 5: learn from a pro.
Speaker 4: The third from bag Other Bars was esoteric.
Speaker 2: Was that your first independently released well not inventy? Was
Speaker 2: that your first album period? Like that?
Speaker 5: Actually, yes, first album period. So uh, what's crazy is
Speaker 5: that I moved to Atlanta and I eventually eventually ran
Speaker 5: into ran into touch of jazz. So that was like
Speaker 5: life changing moment was like working at a Touch of Jazz,
Speaker 5: and then I moved back. I went back to Atlanta
Speaker 5: to just get my stuff because I for the moment
Speaker 5: I met Touch of Jazz, like the moment I went
Speaker 5: to Jazzy Y Studio.
Speaker 4: It's like I just never left around.
Speaker 2: Still one of my favorite like records, just I.
Speaker 4: Love Yeah, yeah, I mean you know, like I said,
Speaker 4: meet and Jeff.
Speaker 5: Meeting all those brothers at a Touch of Jazz was
Speaker 5: like that was graduate school for me. That was like
Speaker 5: the life changing moment for me. But when I went
Speaker 5: back to get my truck and like move out of
Speaker 5: my apartment, I had a session with Joe and Uncle Sam.
Speaker 2: I was working at noon one Teddy Bishop.
Speaker 5: Teddy, Bishop Teddy, Bishop, Jazzy Faye, Brian Michael Uh, Brian Cox,
Speaker 5: I mean just killers and it's down there, and I
Speaker 5: think Joe had a concert. So when he went, He's like,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go to my concert and I'm gonna come
Speaker 5: back and finish the song. So I went to take
Speaker 5: a nap at a friend's house and left just but
Speaker 5: mind I'm leaving the next time, dropping back up to
Speaker 5: Jersey and someone broke into my truck and took just
Speaker 5: took the bag out the front seat, and that bag
Speaker 5: was every song I recorded up to that point. So
Speaker 5: it's like everything in high school, everything in college, everything
Speaker 5: at Warner Brothers, everything.
Speaker 4: In Island all gone.
Speaker 5: And in just a snap, like I come out to
Speaker 5: the car and it's just glass everywhere the truck or whatever.
Speaker 5: And uh and that was like that was really like,
Speaker 5: oh snap. So I mean it was like really starting
Speaker 5: over starting.
Speaker 2: I say, it's a full reset.
Speaker 4: Completely full reset.
Speaker 5: And then I went I was still working out of course,
Speaker 5: working on Touch of Jazz, and then I just started
Speaker 5: I started just working on Esoteric.
Speaker 4: And then it was like.
Speaker 5: I didn't have a deal, you know, And it was
Speaker 5: like at that point, I'm Eric Roberson, a songwriter. Like
Speaker 5: I'm proud of myself. Every room I walking out, I'm
Speaker 5: Eric Roberson, a songwriter.
Speaker 2: And did you had you signed your deal your songwriting
Speaker 2: deal with ian My at that time or was this
Speaker 2: prior today?
Speaker 4: I had my publishing deal.
Speaker 5: I had a publishing deal with ian My at the time,
Speaker 5: and things were working for me. I mean, as a songwriter,
Speaker 5: I couldn't have been happier, you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: because at this point I talk about the music, Soul
Speaker 5: Child stuff, the VV and Green stuff, everything's working, but.
Speaker 4: I just wasn't satisfied. And I had it. I got it.
Speaker 5: I actually had a bad like a bad breakup, and
Speaker 5: that's what really sparked it. Like I was like, let
Speaker 5: me just start, just close the studio door and just
Speaker 5: start working. That was the only way I knew how
Speaker 5: to get back to neutral.
Speaker 4: Was like just right. So I was either writing in
Speaker 4: the journal, I was writing a song.
Speaker 5: It was like back and forth, and then the album
Speaker 5: was done, and it was I really was like I
Speaker 5: was just unwilling to sell these songs because they were
Speaker 5: like they were way too personal, way too much.
Speaker 4: And it was like I'm just gonna I'm just gonna
Speaker 4: put it out.
Speaker 5: And I remember, like really the homies like all laughing,
Speaker 5: like what you mean you're gonna put it out?
Speaker 4: You're gonna put it out. I was like, I think
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna put it out.
Speaker 5: Like you got a record now now, like we'll just
Speaker 5: figured it out, just put it out. And that was
Speaker 5: it just started. This is two thousand two or two thousand,
Speaker 5: two thousand and one, and and mind you by no
Speaker 5: means was out a first. But I know means I
Speaker 5: remember Dwelly had Rise, I knew of I knew of
Speaker 5: a lot of artists who were independent and in different
Speaker 5: states and everywhere.
Speaker 4: Shout out to fertile ground. Who was the first.
Speaker 5: Queso putting out music like independently putting out music and
Speaker 5: selling records?
Speaker 4: So I know means the first.
Speaker 5: If anything that was different from me and anyone else,
Speaker 5: I remember, like I remember Carl Thomas being an independent artist.
Speaker 4: I remember Kim.
Speaker 5: I remember Kim before before Motown signing John Legend before
Speaker 5: uh before he was John Stevens.
Speaker 2: Stevens had we had Kobe, he had had the Kobe haircut.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, So I remember.
Speaker 5: The difference was like, you know, once you sold a
Speaker 5: certain amount of records independently, the labels come scoop you up.
Speaker 5: That's how that was a normal thing. And I was like, well,
Speaker 5: what happens if you if you don't sign with them?
Speaker 5: What happens if you started sell a certain amount and
Speaker 5: then just keep going.
Speaker 4: What will happen then?
Speaker 5: And I think that if anything is different, that's that's
Speaker 5: the part where we got to the We got to
Speaker 5: the point where we could have went to a deal
Speaker 5: and and and worked.
Speaker 4: Their stuff out.
Speaker 5: We had sold enough records, we had got enough attention,
Speaker 5: and then guess what, most of the labels, because of
Speaker 5: my songwriter stuff, knew who I was and for whatever reasons.
Speaker 5: If there was situations, which we did have, some they
Speaker 5: didn't work out. But for the most proble like, let's
Speaker 5: just push through, man, Let's push through and see what happens.
Speaker 4: And it worked out, man.
Speaker 5: I mean be honest with you.
Speaker 4: You sit here and there I had a master plan.
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 4: It just worked out.
Speaker 2: Really, And when you with your label Blue Soul, was
Speaker 2: that like how did you assemble? I guess the team?
Speaker 2: You know? Was it? You know you go to your
Speaker 2: parents and say, hey, I need some help. Is it
Speaker 2: just homies you worked with? Like? How did you work
Speaker 2: those steps of figuring out what you needed as an
Speaker 2: independent artist?
Speaker 4: The first part was the fans challenged me to take
Speaker 4: it more serious.
Speaker 5: They wanted more music, and it was like, okay, if
Speaker 5: we're gonna because I thought I was gonna put album
Speaker 5: out and then just go back to songwriting and producing
Speaker 5: for people, but they were like, we want more, we
Speaker 5: want more. It was like, okay, how do we work
Speaker 5: that out? The biggest difference. The first step was my
Speaker 5: dad retired, and I remember it. He came into the
Speaker 5: studio one time, and at that point I would do
Speaker 5: like I would record all night, and then I might
Speaker 5: go to the gym for like a couple of hours,
Speaker 5: and then I would from like twelve to four, we
Speaker 5: was just like packing CDs up and like just making
Speaker 5: printing packages. And I would spend that time at the
Speaker 5: post office. And then when I finished the post office,
Speaker 5: say five o'clock, it was back recording from five to
Speaker 5: four o'clock till I just couldn't stay up anymore.
Speaker 4: And I repeated.
Speaker 5: And my dad walked in one day when I was
Speaker 5: like preparing stuff, he says, what you're doing here? I
Speaker 5: was like, I got to ship all the stuff off,
Speaker 5: like ship the CDs off, and he's like, you need help.
Speaker 4: That's how I was like, like you need to help
Speaker 4: with that.
Speaker 5: And I was like, if you could take this as
Speaker 5: a post office that that would be a lot of help,
Speaker 5: and he was like, yeah, cool. So then I was
Speaker 5: at that point I was like, okay, I can just
Speaker 5: focus on music. And to be honest with you, you know
Speaker 5: Jarell who has been one of my best friends.
Speaker 4: He has managed me off.
Speaker 5: You know, he's been around, and I think Jarell kind
Speaker 5: of watched for a while and he was like, eventually
Speaker 5: stepped in, was like, how you need help, let's whatever.
Speaker 5: And then the rest of the truth he told. The
Speaker 5: rest of it was like fans. I think sweet Locks
Speaker 5: was around and she was around and was like, what
Speaker 5: do you do? I like, hey, join me, let's you know.
Speaker 5: It's like Select eventually joined on, Demo eventually joined on,
Speaker 5: and she eventually joined on. It was really, I mean
Speaker 5: and that mind you. I don't want to not evenly
Speaker 5: think that they were.
Speaker 4: Just like fancyeah.
Speaker 5: It was more like these are people who also had
Speaker 5: desires in the industry. They were around, and the more
Speaker 5: we talked, it was like, well, I'm trying to do this,
Speaker 5: what do you do?
Speaker 4: You know there's a mutual win here, there's a mutual win.
Speaker 4: There's a mutual win.
Speaker 5: Like even uh, Demo, I think he was he sung
Speaker 5: background for me on a show, like somebody linked me
Speaker 5: up and he sung background. At that point, it was
Speaker 5: a house band, show up whatever whatever, and then we
Speaker 5: started picking up a band and I think he camera said,
Speaker 5: if I show up to a show up to a show.
Speaker 5: Can I do the gig? I was like yeah, sure, okay.
Speaker 5: I was like, the next show in Toronto, candidate. He's like,
Speaker 5: all right, cool, he was in Toronto. The next show
Speaker 5: was in La. He was in La And the next
Speaker 5: show is in Atlanta. He was in Atlanta. So now
Speaker 5: I was like, how are you getting here? Like he's
Speaker 5: a well you guy then figured this out. So now
Speaker 5: I remember like, so can you get my band tickets
Speaker 5: like that? He's like, yeah, yeah, do that. And that's
Speaker 5: how he started booking. That's how he started. He started
Speaker 5: like he's been like the row manager, the background saior
Speaker 5: road manager ever since, you know. And I remember like
Speaker 5: Aunt shea who now is a powerhouse in the booking
Speaker 5: she's booking everybody shows. But I remember we were there's
Speaker 5: probably six seven years ago. She was already in the staff.
Speaker 5: She was rocking in the staff, But I need more
Speaker 5: help in the booking area. Can someone move over? She
Speaker 5: was like, I moved to booking. She probably already had
Speaker 5: some insight on it, but then she she moved over
Speaker 5: there and like just started rocking.
Speaker 4: So it was really just a community of people that were.
Speaker 5: Trying to grow, trying to be better, and I was
Speaker 5: fortunate they joined up with me to join it with
Speaker 5: my company. And it's great because now they have their
Speaker 5: own businesses and their families and their own successes, but
Speaker 5: yet can invest in Mind as well.
Speaker 4: So it's been great.
Speaker 5: The history, I mean, the history of just who's worked
Speaker 5: for me, who's played for me, is probably one of
Speaker 5: my proudest, proudest things.
Speaker 2: Like just Man Man, Yeah, Killers, Killers.
Speaker 4: I'm honored.
Speaker 2: I'm honored to see ye demo Man, Demo, I got
Speaker 2: a shout out. I mean, just first off, I mean
Speaker 2: your whole team. I mean, every time we've always traveled,
Speaker 2: you know, it's always been love. It's always just been
Speaker 2: you know you you just have amazing people around you.
Speaker 2: And that was just a big lesson I think I
Speaker 2: learned just from kind of touring with you and just
Speaker 2: kind of seeing the way you built out your infrastructure
Speaker 2: of just okay, like these are just like people that
Speaker 2: he really fucked with and they just fuck with him,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, and they trust each other
Speaker 2: and you know, Demo, I got a shout Demo out.
Speaker 2: Demo saved my life one night. I was. It was
Speaker 2: after we did bro, it was after we did Chicago,
Speaker 2: we did Chicago, and I feel like this is around
Speaker 2: the same time that, like my dad was done, like
Speaker 2: all this shit is going on. But so it's after
Speaker 2: the show and uh, and it's late and I'm just
Speaker 2: in the lobby. I don't even I can't remember what
Speaker 2: it was. I was even I was outside talking to something,
Speaker 2: but I was just in the lobby. Demo shows up
Speaker 2: with a bucket. Goddamn heralds. Let me tell you something, bro,
Speaker 2: Demo show. He's just in a line with a bucket
Speaker 2: of heralds. And I think he had his kids with
Speaker 2: him that night. Yeah, And I was like, I said, yo,
Speaker 2: I say yo, I say yo, Man, I said, you know,
Speaker 2: I ain't try. I said, bro, Man, let me get
Speaker 2: one of the wings.
Speaker 4: He said, oh no, Bro, I got you.
Speaker 2: Man. Come on, I got you man. He gave me
Speaker 2: something to win. Bro, Listen, I said, you are the realist, dude,
Speaker 2: like to part with heralds in Chicago. That is the sacrifice. Like, so,
Speaker 2: say man, listened. I needed that wing right then. I
Speaker 2: really needed it.
Speaker 5: But that's you know what a good guy like. I said, Man,
Speaker 5: you know, and it's funny, you know. Now I'm a parent,
Speaker 5: but I watched this guy's being a solid dad to
Speaker 5: his kids, you know.
Speaker 4: What I mean?
Speaker 5: And you know, and I think he's a perfect example
Speaker 5: of everybody has had to wear multiple hats on my
Speaker 5: team and I love watching, like a venue manager or
Speaker 5: promoter watch finish up negotiations with him and then watch
Speaker 5: him go on stage shady jacket and get on stage
Speaker 5: and then like sing. They're like, yo, it a minute.
Speaker 5: Wasn't the same dude. It's like, but guess what we
Speaker 5: all had to We all had to do. We all
Speaker 5: had to wear different hats to make all this word,
Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So so shout out to him,
Speaker 5: mauch Yo, find Demo's music.
Speaker 4: You know you got a new album coming out in.
Speaker 5: The whole nine once again, like everybody, everybody is in
Speaker 5: the team is working on something. And I'm honest, like
Speaker 5: I said, I'm honored did they take time to bill
Speaker 5: with me and that they're building their own stuff as well?
Speaker 2: Yo, yo yo, what up? This is Sponte fakelo. Listen,
Speaker 2: stay tuned because Part two of my one on one
Speaker 2: conversation with my big brother Eric Robson is coming next week.
Speaker 2: We get even further into life things, some family stuff
Speaker 2: to get into the recording process. I'm making them Ticulario.
Speaker 2: We're getting all that good stuff, so check for us.
Speaker 2: Next week is going down on Quest Lots springs, all right, Pasty.
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