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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio, Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: What's Up?

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Speaker 1: What's Up?

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Speaker 3: This is your host, Quest Love of Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 3: How y'all been doing? I hope y'all been doing fine.

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Speaker 3: So we're doing it a little bit different this year.

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Speaker 3: We're recording some special QLs episodes this season, and in

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Speaker 3: order for you guys to get more familiar with anyone

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Speaker 3: on this show who's not me, which is always a

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Speaker 3: good thing in my opinion, I decided that I wanted

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Speaker 3: each member of the Supreme team to get their own

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Speaker 3: rogue episode and interview and do sort of a one

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Speaker 3: on oneish. And we kicked it off, of course with

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Speaker 3: Sugar Steve with his dream interview, his epic two part

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Speaker 3: conversation with Elvis Costello, and they recorded at Electric Lady Studios.

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Speaker 3: One of the first in person QLs episodes, it's the

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Speaker 3: Pandemic back in March of twenty twenty. So this particular

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Speaker 3: go round, we are passing the microphone, if you will,

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Speaker 3: to our brother Fontigelo.

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Speaker 2: Fontigolo, what's up man? Yes, indeed, what's up man? Congratulations.

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Speaker 2: It's the first one since.

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Speaker 4: Right, it's the big whim everything that's right changed.

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Speaker 2: Yes, everything, the price is going up. Yesterday's price is

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Speaker 2: not today's price. I love it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So similar to sugar, Steve Fonte's guest is a gentleman

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Speaker 3: that he has worked closely with, actually that I've actually

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Speaker 3: collaborated with as well. And this particular Quest Love Supreme

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Speaker 3: guest is none other than mister Eric Roberson. And he's

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Speaker 3: Grammy nominated singer, songwriter, producer and music industry og. And

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Speaker 3: I just want to welcome him. Please welcome him to

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Speaker 3: Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 5: What's up, Eric, honor to be on here, man, congratulations

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Speaker 5: as well, first chance to get to tell you that

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Speaker 5: I appreciate you'all having me on here.

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Speaker 3: I'm kind of hello jealous of your background right now.

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Speaker 2: His zoom, I think it's only second to Will Smith's zoom.

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Speaker 2: Yes you will Will zoom was like that ship looked

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Speaker 2: like hggd.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you look like you're in the Garden of Eden

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Speaker 3: right now. Like what does this represent? This particular background.

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Speaker 5: This, this background is part of just my basement and

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Speaker 5: what I've learned during the pandemic. Man, I wass doing

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Speaker 5: virtual shows. I teach class sitting here as well. I

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Speaker 5: got I got sound effects and all kind of you know,

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Speaker 5: all kind of stuff here.

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Speaker 4: Uh you know, I love it, you know, whatever we do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, before so before you got on, before you

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Speaker 2: came home with me, he was talking to us, and

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Speaker 2: he's gonna be the one to kind of help us

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Speaker 2: get roll called back because he got some tools, you know,

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Speaker 2: how to deal with it.

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Speaker 5: No latency, yes, yes, yeah, so there's several different things

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Speaker 5: that we can get fixed. But yeah, I told Laya,

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Speaker 5: let's let's talk and tim because when the first pandemic started,

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Speaker 5: the first thing I started doing, I made the album.

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Speaker 5: But the second thing I did was like how do

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Speaker 5: we do shows? And then I probably spent shouts with

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Speaker 5: my boy DJ Molski in La, probably about a month

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Speaker 5: or two months, standing up all night just trying to

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Speaker 5: all those things figure out. Latency, figure out like looping

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Speaker 5: things back, like playing things from a computer, hearing it

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Speaker 5: and then sending it back into the web. All that stuff. Man,

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Speaker 5: we crashed and burned on it. So yeah, let's let's talk. Afterwards,

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Speaker 5: I got.

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Speaker 3: Forget the interview. Let's talk now. Now I'm gonna leave

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Speaker 3: y'all to it again. Thank you very much for doing this,

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Speaker 3: And I hit it fante Yo.

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Speaker 2: All right, man, so listen though, Like I'm sitting here,

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Speaker 2: and as much as we work together, there are just

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Speaker 2: very I think crucial things in your life that me

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Speaker 2: and you have never talked about. That's creat Like when

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Speaker 2: we was on the phone the other day after the

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Speaker 2: Fred Hemmert interview and you were telling me about like

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Speaker 2: what commission it meant to you, and like how something

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Speaker 2: as simple as just seeing gospel singers on an album

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Speaker 2: cover with jeans on. Yeah, you know, for you know,

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Speaker 2: for even like me, that was nothing, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean? But nah, man, yeah, talk about you know

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Speaker 2: how you got started, Like what was your first kind

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Speaker 5: My dad plays guitar and sings. My sister. I have

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Speaker 5: an older sister, my sister Alisha, lovely, and and you know,

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Speaker 5: I think all my introduction really started from that just

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Speaker 5: high school and then she did theater and was making

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Speaker 5: the little brother, I went to the piano lessons, I

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Speaker 5: of it just rubbed off on me. Of course, were

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Speaker 5: singing at church on Sunday, we got choir two days

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Speaker 5: course you know we we boomed backing on the on

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Speaker 5: the cafeteria table with our friends, freestyle rhyming, dreaming of

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Speaker 5: being utfo or whoever. So I mean, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 5: I'm from Jersey. It's just like a I was born

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Speaker 5: And and I think just when it came time to

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Speaker 5: it's like do you do guys with music? Do you

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Speaker 5: do house music? Do you do rap? Do you do

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Speaker 4: I was really struggling with that.

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Speaker 5: But I will tell you that, you know several moments

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Speaker 5: that was really impactful for me. I remember when like

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Speaker 5: somebody's job, like somebody they do this for a living.

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Speaker 5: Like I remember taking Stevie Wonder record like so he

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Speaker 5: how old I was, but I remember that being really impactful. Like,

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Speaker 5: I know, my dad goes to work. This person goes

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Speaker 5: to work and they do this right, you know. And

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Speaker 5: my dad would come home and pick the guitar. But

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Speaker 5: we had a guitar like in every room.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: But your dad did he have personal did he have

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Speaker 2: like aspiration of being a professional musician or was it

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Speaker 4: A hob just a relief.

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Speaker 5: Just really I think when my dad and my dad

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Speaker 5: My dad's brothers were pastors, my mom's brothers were all deacon.

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Speaker 5: So everyone had found church before my dad. My dad

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Speaker 5: was very reluctant when he found it. Boy, he founded,

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Speaker 4: And I remember telling me.

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Speaker 2: I think it isn't like some of your people. I

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Speaker 2: think it is your grandfathers. Like don't you have some

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Speaker 2: times in North Carolina? I think either your mom and

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Speaker 4: My mom and dad.

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Speaker 5: My mom and dad are both from uh from North Carolina. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: so a town called Greenville and a little town called

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Speaker 5: Stokes is where my family my family.

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Speaker 4: Greenville, North Carolina, and Stokes, North Carolina. You know.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, and everybody's still there for the most part.

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Speaker 5: moved up north when when my parents relocated, came up

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Speaker 4: The most part, most of my family's in North Carolina.

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Speaker 5: So when I first heard a commission we won, I

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Speaker 5: think my parents got a tape, a commission tape from

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Speaker 5: the family reunion, and I was ironing my clothes and

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Speaker 5: didn't know what it was, right, I didn't even catch

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Speaker 5: I remember this day like it was, Yes, said, I

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Speaker 5: remember I saying whatever that is, like point at the

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Speaker 5: Because it was the most impactful moment. And from that

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Speaker 5: for him? Guy, I'll learned everything I can about him.

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Speaker 5: And uh and then like I said, you know, up

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Speaker 5: to that point, just keeping really one hundred. You know,

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Speaker 5: excuse when you see I'm not even about the name church.

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Speaker 5: People that might not have came off so cool. They

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Speaker 2: Off so who. They were always like three four years

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Speaker 2: Man, I want to talk to you, or wanted you

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Speaker 2: to talk about your parents. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know me and you we been you know,

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Speaker 2: we go back. God let me shit, it's almost twenty

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Speaker 2: years at this point. You know what I'm saying. But

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Speaker 2: the time that we work together, and I will always

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Speaker 2: see your parents always there like supporting you, helping you,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, pulling up its shows your

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Speaker 2: dad and I don't even know if we ever talked

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Speaker 2: about this. I know I've never talked about this public.

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Speaker 2: But the day that we shot the picture Perfect video,

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Speaker 2: when we shot the Picture Perfect video and in Brooklyn,

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Speaker 2: I don't even know, if me and you ever talked

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Speaker 2: about this, this is one of the worst days of

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Speaker 4: We have not talked about this.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, okay, bro listen. So that morning I flew

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Speaker 2: into Philly and then because we were shooting in Brooklyn,

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Speaker 2: so I flew into Philly and your dad came and

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Speaker 2: picked me up from the airport. So this is like,

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Speaker 2: oh God, maybe we shot it on like a They

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Speaker 2: say we shot on like a Friday or something. I

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Speaker 2: don't know, but anyway, we shot it on a Friday.

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Speaker 2: And literally I think that Tuesday that was when my

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Speaker 4: God Lee.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, so that was so that was My life

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Speaker 4: A First of all, why why did you fly to Philly?

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Speaker 5: And I was like, okay, cool, I walk back.

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Speaker 4: Was the perfect. They're the perfect. I tell you that.

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Speaker 5: And I think, you know, I think I'm an example

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Speaker 4: And doing that, and it's it's completely.

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Speaker 5: Watching watching my parents, you know, give everything to them,

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Speaker 4: It's enormalcy, supportive.

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Speaker 5: What I'll tell you, my dad, you know, you know,

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Speaker 5: to all my up So it's like he earned it up.

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Speaker 5: He earned that term pop, like to not just in

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: If I could have majored in commission, I would have major,

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Speaker 5: first floor is the theater department. And I probably learned

437
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,760
Speaker 5: more about music on the first floor in theater because

438
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,720
Speaker 5: theater was talking about like character development and like you know,

439
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:53,399
Speaker 5: if you say, but it's true.

440
00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:54,119
Speaker 4: Well, what is true?

441
00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 2: Mean?

442
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,680
Speaker 5: What's true to you? And we might talk ten minutes

443
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 5: about just the word true. So let's back it up.

444
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,600
Speaker 5: What's the first time you ever heard true? Where were

445
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:01,960
Speaker 5: you at the first time you ever heard that word?

446
00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 5: I heard it when I was in kindergarten? Okay, was

447
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 5: it true then? And then you know it's like the

448
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 5: teachers would dissect it. Now say it again. Now you're like,

449
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 5: so is it true? If I can even say it

450
00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 5: tears falling out. I mean, it was like dissecting it.

451
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,480
Speaker 5: Now you talk about like trying to write songs and

452
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 5: things like that, What if I bring this into that area?

453
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 5: What if I bring feed or into these It's all.

454
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 4: Us as singers and rappers, we're just characters. The songs

455
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 4: are just scripts. You know. The music is just the

456
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:30,920
Speaker 4: scene and read the stage is the scene. It's like,

457
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:31,159
Speaker 4: you know what.

458
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 5: So it's like, how can we bring this to another

459
00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,880
Speaker 5: another level? And for me, whether it's in the studio,

460
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,160
Speaker 5: whether it's on stage, whatever, Yeah, it's like, how can

461
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,640
Speaker 5: we bring this this character? Not not just that if

462
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 5: I'm sad, the bass player needs to be sad.

463
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't he just pouring my life to

464
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:50,240
Speaker 2: be telling the same story.

465
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, we all gotta be telling the same story, so

466
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,360
Speaker 5: the drummer can't be happy, like and I'm sitting here

467
00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:56,880
Speaker 5: like how could you let me Dad?

468
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,399
Speaker 4: Or vice versa. You know.

469
00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 5: So I think I think a lot of my friends

470
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 5: from Howard are surprised I didn't follow a career theater,

471
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 5: but when I also feel like I fulfill my my

472
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:14,040
Speaker 5: theater needs in my music, in my writing and my performance.

473
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 2: As Welle, you know.

474
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 5: And I think the choice a lot of it came

475
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 5: for my desire to write, like sure in out of

476
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 5: auditioning and then rehearsing and probably not doing my own material,

477
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:26,719
Speaker 5: I'll be taking on other characters. With this one, I

478
00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,800
Speaker 5: was like I could write about you know, I could

479
00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 5: really dive into it, and it worked. I think when

480
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 5: people listen even to my music, if not every most song,

481
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 5: you're gonna find a song on every album where it's

482
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 5: like it's musical theater, you know what I mean?

483
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 2: Now You Had You was a record I forgot which

484
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,640
Speaker 2: album was on. It was called The Magician. I think

485
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 2: where you like when speaking from the aspect magic and

486
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 2: I was just like, man, I would never do a

487
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 2: song like that. I would be so scared to do

488
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 2: a record like that. I don't know, it's just I was.

489
00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:00,359
Speaker 2: I just thought it was just a really bread choice.

490
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,439
Speaker 2: But you always took those kind of choices where you

491
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,160
Speaker 2: would really like embody a character. I mean, it's one

492
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 2: thing to rap as that character, right, It's one thing

493
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 2: to be Secrick and like you know, you know the

494
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 2: cops shot to kid, you know, like to do all

495
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 2: the voices, but you don't really see that in in

496
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 2: R and B as singers. And I always thought that

497
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 2: was really admirable and just always admired you for taking

498
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,679
Speaker 2: those kind of choice, those kind of chances and your stuff.

499
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 5: I appreciate it. I appreciate it. But you know I

500
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 5: learned I learned a lot from your pen. You know,

501
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:31,800
Speaker 5: if I and even say this, you know, the first

502
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 5: time I ever witnessed it a person writing a song

503
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 5: without writing it down was watching you when we did

504
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 5: be in love. And remember it, yes we did have

505
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 5: been in love. You were having a conversation with my dad.

506
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,439
Speaker 5: I was setting the music up and my dad was talking,

507
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 5: and you took my dad's conversation. Remember this day was yesterday,

508
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 5: the exact conversation, and you made it rhyme and you

509
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 5: you were like the beat was ready and he was like, yeah,

510
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 5: I'm ready, and then you just walked in and took

511
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 5: everything that y'all I were talking about and just rhymed

512
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 5: it down. It blew me away that somehow you processed

513
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,959
Speaker 5: all that in your head without putting on paper.

514
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 4: And it took me some time.

515
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 5: But you know, probably I haven't written a song down

516
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,720
Speaker 5: probably for the last ten years, probably.

517
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 4: Like you know. So a lot of it is like

518
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 4: seeing what you did.

519
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 5: Of course hearing what Biggie's doing and hearing jay Z,

520
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,239
Speaker 5: but then seeing what you did, and then for me

521
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 5: applying like theater background. For me, my first thing is like,

522
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 5: all right, who do I want to be in the song?

523
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,719
Speaker 5: What's the character? The more the more developed the character is,

524
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 5: then I just hit record because now I just gotta

525
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 5: make a rhyme. The objective is all there, the character's

526
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 5: all there, and then and it just make a rhyme.

527
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 5: But a lot of it was sparked from like watching

528
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 5: you do it. I was like that's I was like, yo,

529
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:48,239
Speaker 5: did this cat just literally first of all, not just

530
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 5: like did you wrote a song in your head? But

531
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 5: you wrote a song in your head while talking to somebody.

532
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 2: That's I mean, yeah, I mean that was just that

533
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 2: was again just your pop man, like that was Pops.

534
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 2: He just you know, would just come in and just

535
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 2: drop these jewels and he just start talking and all right,

536
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 2: yong man, well tell me about let me talk to

537
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 2: you about this, and he just be talking and I'm

538
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 2: just soaking this shit in. I'm like, man, And so

539
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 2: I just went in and did it. And the crazy

540
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: stuff now is like kind of the roads are reverse

541
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 2: because you don't write down and I'm constantly like writing

542
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 2: prompts like in my phone. Like I think. I think

543
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 2: for me what change was the process because at that

544
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 2: time we did been in love. Man, that was shit.

545
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 2: That was damn old five six some of that. And

546
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 2: so at that time, that's when we were recording at

547
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 2: the studio, and so that was just kind of my process.

548
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,479
Speaker 2: I would just turn a beat on, just crank it up,

549
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 2: and I would just walk around pace just kind of

550
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 2: just you know, run it in my head, just kind

551
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,479
Speaker 2: of write the verse in my head with the music up.

552
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 2: But then around like oh nine, that was when and

553
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,239
Speaker 2: it's in the studio, it's in we're in some we're

554
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 2: in the studio. So you know, time is money. We

555
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 2: just want to be efficient. So that was how we learned.

556
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 2: Just in those early Little Brother records, it's like, all right,

557
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 2: get in, get out, you know what I'm saying. It

558
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 2: just had to be you had to be on it.

559
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 2: So around like oh nine, once we moved back to

560
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,959
Speaker 2: when I built my studio at the crib, you know,

561
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 2: I mean, my kids are here. I can't be just

562
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 2: cranking to three in the morning, you know what I mean.

563
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: So my process changed, and so that was when I

564
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 2: kind of had to go back to just like actually

565
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 2: writing either on paper or you know, sometime my phone

566
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 2: or whatever, but just going there. And so from the

567
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 2: time when we were working at first, it just my

568
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 2: whole thing was just like one take. I gotta get

569
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 2: it down. It's just one take, one take, Jake, just

570
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 2: is what it's got to be. But once I got

571
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 2: home and uh talking to another co collaborative, our was

572
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,719
Speaker 2: fall Manch talking to him, and he had a completely

573
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 2: different approach, and he would say, he said, Man, when

574
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 2: I go to the booth, I treat it like I'm

575
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 2: a director, you know what I'm saying. He said, So

576
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 2: I look at my verse like Okay, I'll do a take,

577
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: but it's like, hmm, the and in that verse, I

578
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 2: may want to stick that better cause that'll lend and

579
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: I'll just go in and get just the and you

580
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like he is surgical with this ship.

581
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. And hearing that approach, I

582
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, you know what I mean.

583
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,479
Speaker 2: And so that was kind of where I'm at with it.

584
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 2: Now it's much more a lot more kind of methodical.

585
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 5: First of all, you know, listen this can you already know?

586
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 5: You know what I'm sayings know, I think ahead, I

587
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 5: put my money on anybody.

588
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 2: Come on, just god, come on, what were talking?

589
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 4: You know, just such a you.

590
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 5: You always had such a unique approach and it's so interesting.

591
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 4: But like I said, the process changes.

592
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 5: I'm a I'm a fan of people's process is one

593
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 5: of my favorite words in the time. You don't hear

594
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 5: me saying several times even in this interview, but I

595
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 5: and people always ask me, like, who would you love

596
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:47,479
Speaker 5: to collaborate?

597
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 4: I said, I love. I just love to watch.

598
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 5: I love just be in a room when Pharah Manch

599
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 5: is working or when Eric ab i Do is work.

600
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 5: You know, when Fante's working, like just so I can

601
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 5: see the process of how somebody's putting something together.

602
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 4: It's amazing. And guess what, it always works differently for different.

603
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,640
Speaker 2: And it's always different. That's the thing. Everybody's thing is different, man,

604
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 2: And it's just yeah, I remember, like you know, when

605
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 2: we were working and you know, and I would see

606
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: just kind of you know, because you would I would

607
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 2: tune into the process like your your you know, your

608
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 2: your platform, and I was just again, it was just

609
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 2: one of those things, you know, for for for people listening,

610
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 2: you know, ero, he has a thing. Is it still

611
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: on Patreon? Is it still still Patreon? Yeah? I called

612
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 2: the process where you know, he pretty much just netflixed himself,

613
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But he was ahead of

614
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 2: Curve you I mean, you did this ship then ten

615
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 2: years ago. But you know, but he has a thing

616
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,719
Speaker 2: called the Process where you can just tune in and

617
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: watch him create songs. And that is just again just

618
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 2: one of those things where I'm just like, dude, I

619
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 2: would never like, never, like, oh my god, like having

620
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 2: cameras in the studio while I'm like, bro, that is yo.

621
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 2: I would rather you have a camera in the dressing

622
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 2: room while I'm like trying on sweatmans or some ship

623
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: like camera in the studio while I'm creative, Are you

624
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 2: fucking kidding me? Like, I just, I just I can't

625
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: do it, bro, I just it freaks me out.

626
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 5: I learned this quickly with you. Me and you have

627
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 5: done a million songs. But when we decided to take

628
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,400
Speaker 5: Ale album right when we did the Man album, it

629
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 5: was very obvious to me, Okay, I am one who

630
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 5: wants to go through it to figure it out. You're

631
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 5: one who wants to figure it out before you go

632
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 5: through it. It was to me exact we were so

633
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 5: exact opposite that we actually were the same in some

634
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 5: form of fashion, right, And it worked out, it complimented.

635
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 4: But it was like, you know, I'm definitely one who's like.

636
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 5: Put cameras on me, like I'll do it, like I'm

637
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 5: down to like just go against the wall.

638
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 4: Like whatever you like.

639
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 5: Nah, bro, we ain't throwing nothing against the wall, you know,

640
00:29:53,160 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 5: shot to the head, And I think, degree, you know how,

641
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 5: maybe I was there to pull you a bit off center.

642
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 4: That's absolutely.

643
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 5: I had a beautiful thing about the conversation about collaboration,

644
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 5: How amazing the collaboration it is. But it's like you

645
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 5: were able to pull me off center and I was

646
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 5: able to pull you off center, and that's where the

647
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 5: magic of all that, you know, laid that right there.

648
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 5: But yet we had we definitely had two different type

649
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 5: of theories when we came in to do that album.

650
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 4: You know what I mean of just stopped.

651
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 5: Throwing stuff against the wall because this is not that's

652
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 5: not gonna work. He's not gonna understand like this, he's

653
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 5: not only we ain't just throw it some against the

654
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 5: wall like No, we planted out our shots and we're

655
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 5: going with ten for ten.

656
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 4: It's gonna be ten for ten.

657
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: Listen, man, listen.

658
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 4: Nah.

659
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 2: It was so informal because I just had never because

660
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 2: I had I was never that person that you know,

661
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: and I always admired you know that, and that was

662
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 2: something working with you in a lot of ways, it

663
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: kind of reminded me of working with Pooh, you know

664
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, NLB, because Pooh was like that coming up,

665
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: like Poo who was the guy that who would just

666
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 2: record non stop. He would just go in and just

667
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: bang bang rap gang and he was way more prolific

668
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 2: than I was. And you know, that was something that

669
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: I always admired, you know what I mean, because I

670
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: just was never like that. It just always felt like

671
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: I was wasting people time. I'm like, yo, if I

672
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: ain't really coming with no heat, like I'm gonna just

673
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: shut the fuck up because I ain't you know what

674
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I ain't. I ain't trying to be. I

675
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: had just experiment and like when I show up, I

676
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: wanted to be for real. And so we were working

677
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 2: on that album. First off, you know, for everybody listening

678
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 2: at home to this day, I have no idea how

679
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: we finished that record. Idea that was at the time

680
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 2: because I think you were were you about to have

681
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: your third son at that time or had he just

682
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: been born?

683
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 5: He had just been born, so so so me and

684
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,479
Speaker 5: I decided we're gonna make an album. And we had

685
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 5: been talking for about two years about planning to straight up,

686
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 5: you wait till you went on.

687
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 4: Tour and you call. I remember a phone call.

688
00:31:55,920 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 5: You said, E I'm ready, let's start. Let's start it.

689
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 5: At that point, we weren't called to.

690
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: Have a title.

691
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 5: Let start the album. And I said, oh, that's that's great.

692
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 5: I'm in the hospital. My wife had a baby, and

693
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 5: you was kind of like that's dope, but this is

694
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 5: the window, Like this is the window, like this.

695
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 4: Is I was like literally holding the child, like.

696
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 5: Okay, if this is the window, then let's go now,

697
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 5: mind you you know, to help out one thing. This

698
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 5: is my third child in you know, in probably six years.

699
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 5: So we we were having a child like ten at

700
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 5: little break sae like a three year break, and then

701
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 5: we had another child.

702
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 4: Right, so.

703
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 5: I've been recording with kids in my hand, you know,

704
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 5: like for the last seven years pretty much last five

705
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 5: years whatever.

706
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 4: So I was, you know, okay, all right, cool.

707
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 5: But literally the next like two days later, we were

708
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 5: we were cutting and I mean ninety percent of that

709
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 5: record was cut literally with that kid like I hold him.

710
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 5: I said it in one of the songs.

711
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

712
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 5: So we were like but then you were like, like

713
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 5: I said, you were in a different state. I feel

714
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 5: like it was in a different state every time you

715
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 5: sent me something. We at no point we would ever,

716
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 5: we didn't see each other. What's crazy style, bro? Like

717
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 5: it was straight up justly album cover.

718
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 4: Everything was just hilarious how it all came together.

719
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 5: But yet as locked in, we could not have been

720
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 5: anymore locked in. And I think that's the that's the

721
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 5: magic of it. You know, I think, which is which

722
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 5: is really really special. When I go back and listen

723
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 5: to songs, you know, they were they were amazing. I

724
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 5: mean it was a blur because it was really crazy

725
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 5: little blur.

726
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that record, man, listen, I mean that record

727
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 2: made me just a better musician all the way around,

728
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,719
Speaker 2: just you know, better singer songwriter, because it was just

729
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 2: it was very much for me. It was just to

730
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 2: thing of just kind of iron sharpening iron. And you know,

731
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 2: I've just always just been a believer in you know,

732
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: when you're collaborating with people that you respect, you know,

733
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: you just always want to you want to be on

734
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 2: your best behavior, so to speak. You know, you always

735
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 2: want to make sure you show up as the best

736
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 2: because you know, I knew like you just had a kid.

737
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 2: Twenty sixteen, that was when yeah, I lost my dad

738
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: and my man. Yeah, the night we did I think

739
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 2: the night we did Atlanta. It was like shortly after that.

740
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 2: I can't remember it was. This was twenty it's twenty sixteen,

741
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 2: but yeah, I lost like my my granddad died on

742
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 2: like Tuesday, and then my dad died on like Sunday,

743
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 2: and all of this shit was happening while We're in

744
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 2: the middle of the record, you know what I'm saying.

745
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 2: And so I knew that you were showing up. I'm like,

746
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 2: he just had a kid, Like I got through what

747
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 2: I'm going through, but man, fuck this, like I you know,

748
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 2: I'm staying in this. We're gonna finish this, you know.

749
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 2: And uh And I always admire just you know, your efficiency,

750
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: just because I knew working with you, I'm like, I

751
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 2: know this will get done. I know to get done.

752
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 2: And I just always, you know, wanted to just maintain

753
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: that trust. It's like, yo, if Erro sent me something

754
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 2: he knows is I'm knocking it out and it's over with.

755
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, we we have. I mean, we've had a great

756
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 4: relationship over music.

757
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 5: It was it was it was time and we of

758
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 5: course we showed up with We showed at the right time,

759
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 5: but it was it was the craziest.

760
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 4: Time that it was crazy to do an album.

761
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 5: But you know what, it was even funny though, like

762
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 5: the whole how we take Alero, we said that as

763
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 5: a joke, as a joke, like that was the way

764
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 5: we send it to each other.

765
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 4: I could have Lero and you said the verse and eventually.

766
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 2: Like said, it's the album, like why you bullshit?

767
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 5: And this might be she might be to that, you know,

768
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 5: so listen, man. But once again, that was the happy

769
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 5: medium of like going through it to see if it works.

770
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 5: We see it works before we go through, kind of

771
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 5: like you know, because at no point we was committed,

772
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 5: were just having fun, but eventually was like.

773
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 4: That took a lot of card job.

774
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, a little bit. I'm not tired of it,

775
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: Like I keep saying it, you know what I mean,

776
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 2: like this might be it so fun time I want

777
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 2: to I want to ask you, man, so back to

778
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 2: your your days at Howard and your first deal on

779
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: Warner Brothers. First off, you have no idea how excited

780
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: I was to find out that you wrote the Moon,

781
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: that the Moon was your song. I mean the Moon was.

782
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 2: I mean, man, the Moon was one of those songs

783
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 2: that I literally remember hearing it one time on the

784
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 2: radio when I was probably like I don't know, twelve

785
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 2: or thirteen or something, and I was like, oh my god,

786
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 2: like who the fuck is this? This shit is amazing,

787
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 2: and never heard it again, and so then you know,

788
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, fifteen, have many years later, I'm like, oh, shit,

789
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? How did you get that

790
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 2: that Warner Brothers deal? What was that process like of

791
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 2: signing with them?

792
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 5: So my sophomore year, the group Shi who also was Howered.

793
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 5: They had a big song. So they met adj right

794
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 5: and they sung the song for him two weeks A

795
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 5: week later, they were on the radio with him.

796
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 4: Two weeks later Senior Hall.

797
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 5: Two weeks after that, they were millions of copies later.

798
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,840
Speaker 5: You know, it just went, it just exploded, and it

799
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 5: was crazy because all of us were singing and doing

800
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 5: stuff on campus, but we were at that point, I

801
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 5: was just trying to be the dopest on campus. I

802
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 5: didn't even think this could be something outside of this,

803
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 5: And that was big. But the bigger part of it

804
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 5: was also like, what, here's my demo, Like just when

805
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 5: you get to LA just passed it to somebody.

806
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 2: And these were songs that you were recorded previously before.

807
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 5: They just like my demo at that time, my demo

808
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 5: at that time, which was just I want to say,

809
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 5: the moon was probably on it. No, no, that's not true.

810
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 5: Let me think for a second. No, So all right,

811
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 5: So Derek, who was a member of uh of Shah Carl,

812
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, remember of Shot introduced me to his brother.

813
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 5: His brother was in the group and he had some

814
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 5: producers that were under Teddy Riley, and they sent me

815
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 5: the track and that's what I wrote, wrote the Moon,

816
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 5: and then of course the phones at that point. At

817
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 5: that point, now I'm doing class and every weekend I'm

818
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 5: pretty much like flying out to uh take meetings and stuff.

819
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 5: Medina met with Little Salas before he passed and uh,

820
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 5: just running past label at the label at the label

821
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 5: and what was a.

822
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 2: Little Solace like? Man, he's this very time. You know,

823
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 2: we don't really we get few people out here that

824
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 2: I have worked with him. But what was he like?

825
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 2: He was the guy for everyone listening. Little Solace Junior

826
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 2: was the he was guy over at m c A Records.

827
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 2: You know, he played the you know, big role you

828
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 2: know new edition. Uh he formed Solace Records like Shante

829
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 2: Moore more like he was he was kind of one

830
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: of the one of the old Jesus. What was he like?

831
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 5: I just had one meeting with him, but I remember

832
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 5: he was shooting straight from the hip. But I her

833
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 5: from him was he said, uh, and this was interesting

834
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 5: because when I look back, so he's like, uh, listen,

835
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 5: I just want to take a meeting with you. I

836
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 5: think you already decided. You know, you're going through the

837
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 5: Warner Brothers thing. But I just wanted to meet with you.

838
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: Man.

839
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,479
Speaker 4: I like your music this and that and whatever whatever,

840
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 4: and I was like I appreciate it, you know.

841
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 5: And I was kind of like why you like, why

842
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 5: do you think? I like, why am I here if

843
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 5: you think I'm already going to Warner Brothers. At that point,

844
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 5: I really was going to Warner Brothers. I was deciding.

845
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 5: He's like, I wanted to meet what you kind of

846
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 5: talk with you? And before I left the room, he

847
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 5: was like, so good man, hey man, the music's dope. Man, listen,

848
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 5: if you want this you know something over here and

849
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 5: just let you know, man, I don't know why you're

850
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 5: going to Warner Brothers because Benn ain't gonna be here

851
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 5: for long.

852
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 4: That's the last thing he said. As I walked out

853
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 4: the door, like I was like, okay, all right now.

854
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 5: I walked out the door like whatever, And sure enough

855
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 5: I signed the deal and Benny was out the door.

856
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 5: Benn and Denny was like focus on Fresh Prince of

857
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 5: bel Air like after and I was like, well, he

858
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 5: leave I'm leaving. But but I never thought of like

859
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 5: I didn't even think. I just didn't even put and

860
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 5: two together, you know.

861
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: And yeah, that's something that a lot of artists I

862
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 2: even talked to like now just about how like you know,

863
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 2: it's signing to a label. That's just one of kind

864
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 2: of the pitfalls you can have where it's like you

865
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 2: can have your guy or your girl, your person that's

866
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 2: really riding for you that you might sign to or

867
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 2: whatever they'll get you signed, but if they leave, you

868
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: kind of lose your advocate, like you ain't got nobody

869
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 2: fighting for you, and you just are back and square one.

870
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 5: What I will tell you was almost almost immediately I

871
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 5: got signed to Island Records. And the interesting was when

872
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 5: I went when I signed with Warner Brothers, I signed

873
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 5: in LA and it was like stop.

874
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 4: Today, everybody is that robertson day? Hey? Right?

875
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 5: And then when I went to when I showed up

876
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 5: to Island, I took the train in New York. When

877
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 5: I got there, it was like just a lawyer in

878
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 5: the n or my boy Leois Clibborn shot out to Liotis.

879
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 2: It was just the two of them. It's like a

880
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 2: lawyer Liotis.

881
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 5: I was like, where's the cake, and like where's the

882
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 5: you know, it's a five straight business. They were like,

883
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 5: it's just it's quiet day. I was like, oh, okay,

884
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 5: all right, signing ever, took pictures, whatever, and then I

885
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 5: think I got back on the train. I might I

886
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 5: stay to day in New York and then like the

887
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 5: next day I got home. But when I got back,

888
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 5: I remember my manager called me and going, yo, Hire

889
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 5: Micks just got signed as President Ireland.

890
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 4: And I knew immediately what that meant.

891
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 5: It was like, so, why the hell do we just

892
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 5: signed there, because he's gonna come and wipe every wipe

893
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 5: everybody out, and sure enough he did.

894
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 4: He came in.

895
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 5: Was like Leota's lost his job. Then it was like

896
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 5: contracts just and she just wiped the whole thing out.

897
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 5: And it's crazy because you know, initially you heard your ego,

898
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 5: you know, because at first it was like yo, listen

899
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 5: to the music.

900
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 4: First he's like, I don't even care. No, I got

901
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 4: my home, I got my whole team.

902
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 5: I'm bringing he didn't jail and yeah, he's like, I'm

903
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 5: bringing my whole thing in and and then later I

904
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 5: ended working with Hiring. It was it was fine because

905
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 5: when I worked, when I was at this point years later,

906
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 5: I'm like, let's get this money. Like I'm not even tripping,

907
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 5: like you not even up, you knowing worried about that,

908
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 5: Let's get this money. But but you understand that, Like

909
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 5: that's how it was. President come in, They're like, I

910
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 5: don't care what was here before. I'm bringing my guys.

911
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 5: I do that, I'm bringing my people in and this

912
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 5: and that and that, and I had to learn that

913
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 5: was the biggest lesson for me, that like my music

914
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 5: can't save me, Like you got to be on point.

915
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 5: You gotta be on point because like you can't sing

916
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 5: your way out of this. This cat didn't care what

917
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 5: the music sounded like. He was like, let's get out,

918
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 5: like you out of here. So that's when I really

919
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 5: started learning. And another thing was really important too, So

920
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 5: Beni Madina's office had this wall of like CDs and

921
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 5: tapes and that's from ceiling to floor, the entire wall,

922
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 5: like it's missions of just music period.

923
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 2: Was just music period.

924
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 5: And I've been in this office probably like ten times

925
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 5: right just over the last two months or whatever it was,

926
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 5: and there's like a whole row of prints. There's all

927
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 5: the other names I don't know, I mean just music, music, music.

928
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 5: And then when I got signed, I think they said, well,

929
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 5: what do you want to do next? You have had

930
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 5: enough time to catch some food or whatever. I said,

931
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 5: I want you to change my flight and give me

932
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 5: some headphones. I want to listen to this wall. It

933
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 5: was the first time I felt like I had the

934
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 5: right to say that. And I stayed there that night

935
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 5: just going through, like just pulling every CD, every tape,

936
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 5: every day out and just listening that whole wall. And

937
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,479
Speaker 5: it was the most amazing musical night in my life,

938
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 5: hearing Prince songs I never heard for and then like, well,

939
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 5: who's this cat? Oh that's the new day we signed?

940
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 5: Is ALM supposed to come out whatever?

941
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 4: Whatever?

942
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 5: And then you never hear that and his people are here,

943
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 5: who could clearly be the next Prince, But it never

944
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 5: saw the light of day. It was just like this

945
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 5: wall was crazy wow. But it never left me that

946
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 5: like what happened to all those people, Like what happened

947
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 5: all that music? Like you know, And I think one

948
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 5: of the reasons why I kind of went like the

949
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 5: whole independent route was like I never wanted to be

950
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 5: one of the people on that wall, like it just

951
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 5: that that scared the hell out of me, Like, yo,

952
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 5: this this is life changing music up here that's never

953
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 5: going to be released.

954
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 4: It's never going to see a lot of day.

955
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 2: And the only reason I'm hearing it is because I'm

956
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 2: actually signed to these.

957
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 5: Right right, the only reason I ever heard it. And

958
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 5: then you know, we we were writing songs and producer

959
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 5: songs for people. We've we've done whole albums on people

960
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 5: and the albums never come out.

961
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 4: So you're like, you're.

962
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 5: Like, you know, I remember like wanting to be an

963
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 5: artist but yet having a career as a songwriter and

964
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 5: seeing an artist get signed, see them flying in, getting

965
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 5: put into some glorious hotel and recording for a month,

966
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 5: and you think, Okay, it could really pop for this person.

967
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 5: And then whether it's the president, label, the A and

968
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 5: R department, marketing team, whatever, they're like nah, And then

969
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 5: that person is back and it's just over doing hair

970
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 5: or structured with It's over. It's like, how wait a minute,

971
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 5: how is it that never set right with me? You know,

972
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:42,399
Speaker 5: like how is it just over? So the Island Warner

973
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 5: Brothers thing was really really tough after that, Like so

974
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 5: I went back to school, and I was tough because

975
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 5: you got to think out during the moontime. I was

976
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 5: in school, So I was in class while that song

977
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 5: was playing on the radio and the video was playing.

978
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 5: And then I was like, well, I'm leaving to go

979
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 5: focus on the album and blow up show off the

980
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 5: next one, you know, And and then the deal started

981
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 5: falling apart, Like as soon as I left school, it

982
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 5: was like pooooo, Like life really hit and and I

983
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 5: had to like really, But so when I went back

984
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 5: on campus, it was like what you're doing back?

985
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 4: What is that? You know? And it was humbling. It

986
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 4: was really really humbling.

987
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 5: But my pen wouldn't be what it is today if

988
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 5: it wasn't for that time going back. I became a

989
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 5: better student every like the person you know now it's

990
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 5: that person who show back up at that school like learning,

991
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 5: like oh I need more, I need to know more.

992
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 2: When you when you were with Warner that was was

993
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: that an album deal or was it just a single

994
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 2: deal for the moon? Like?

995
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 4: So it was it was.

996
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 5: A single deal. Uh, it was a single deal. And

997
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 5: before we could even go into the song was thirty

998
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 5: three on the charts. And then Benny left, so it

999
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,720
Speaker 5: was like wow, and I think we were moving towards.

1000
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,439
Speaker 5: It was moving towards like we're gonna do a whole

1001
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 5: album deal. And then I did an album deal with

1002
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 5: with Ireland and then like I said that one, that

1003
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 5: one wiped out as fast as you possibly imagine. But

1004
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,439
Speaker 5: I remember, like the song the Moon was doing great.

1005
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 5: It was doing great for me. It was growing, it

1006
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 5: was climbing, and then it was like, blessed move because

1007
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 5: it was it was a great song. Yeah, clearly was

1008
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 5: about to have it here as bad, like you know,

1009
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 5: and and it was just a whole little president hop

1010
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 5: for for a nice man. It seemed like a year,

1011
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,399
Speaker 5: you know what I mean, just trying to go from

1012
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 5: one of one label to another.

1013
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 2: Man. Please tell the story as much as you want

1014
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 2: to tell. Please tell the story of doing your promotional

1015
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 2: tour with l de Barge all Varner Brothers. This is

1016
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 2: one of the greatest hour you told me this story.

1017
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: I never get. We was at the Guy, We was

1018
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 2: at the damn Bob Evans somewhere in the middle of Jersey.

1019
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 4: I don't know where.

1020
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: I remember we was at the Bob Evans like one

1021
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 2: morning show.

1022
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 5: So there's so many levels of it. There's so many

1023
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 5: levels of the story. But what I would tell you

1024
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 5: and just respectfully, I remember I remember one thing. I

1025
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 5: remember one thing the rep, the Warner Brother's rep said,

1026
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 5: if if Elle ever calls you even five o'clock in

1027
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 5: the morning once to play pool, go play pool with him.

1028
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 5: You know, He's like, go play pool. If he ever

1029
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 5: needs to talk, he needs to hang out, Like this

1030
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 5: is one of your main reasons for being on this tour,

1031
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 5: is like if he ever needs you, like follow through

1032
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,839
Speaker 5: answer the call. And you know, we all know that

1033
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 5: El the bar just had some some substance issues whatever,

1034
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 5: and this was doing his clean period, so I think

1035
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 5: that what he was talking about, it's like, you know,

1036
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 5: if you ever want to play pool, he needs to

1037
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 5: go out and play pool.

1038
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 4: Let me whatever.

1039
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 5: So you know, we became fast friends that in that time.

1040
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 5: And he was just so amazing man. Like every hotel

1041
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 5: we showed up, he went and set at a piano.

1042
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 5: He almost do a whole concert in that lobby, like

1043
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 5: just waiting for our rooms or just just he was

1044
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 5: sitting at a piano.

1045
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 4: Every time. He was just so musical. We would do

1046
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 4: a show.

1047
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:58,240
Speaker 5: I mean we did a show I think in Connecticut

1048
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 5: and the sound system was just horrible. He's still on

1049
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 5: the stage and he waited and the sound was just trash,

1050
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 5: and he waited let everybody crash and burn, and right

1051
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 5: before the open doors, he said, hey, brother, can I

1052
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 5: just come over there? He talked exactly what he said.

1053
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 5: He's saying, come over there and just just look at

1054
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 5: the mixing board if that's all right, And God was like, yeah, sure.

1055
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 5: In like probably ten minutes, he took the mic back

1056
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 5: there and he started turning knobs and he cleared all drama,

1057
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 5: like all clouds just clear. And the sound sounded enormously

1058
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 5: incredible that night. And that's just how he was. He

1059
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 5: was like he knew how to work everything. He was

1060
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 5: a concert professional. He had been through everything. We were

1061
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 5: driving one time and I told him said, Yo, man,

1062
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 5: I really like your album.

1063
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 4: The album is great.

1064
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 5: We were going they were taking a limit from Connecticut

1065
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 5: to Boston. I think it was something like that, driving it,

1066
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 5: and he says, man, I was this Alams a money album.

1067
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 2: I would never forget this out, the money out because

1068
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 2: you had told him, because you had told him it

1069
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 2: was a good He's like, Yo, this is a good album.

1070
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 5: He was like oh no, this a money This ain't

1071
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,840
Speaker 5: a good album. This is a money album. He said,

1072
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 5: I'm doing my money album so I can get a

1073
00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 5: chance to do a good album. And he was like,

1074
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 5: he's like Marvin Gay did money albums till he was

1075
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 5: able to do a good album. By Marley did money albums,

1076
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 5: He's able to do it. He just ran down the

1077
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 5: line and then he just said, so this right here,

1078
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 5: that's just a money album because I'm getting ready to

1079
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 5: do a good album. And he just went just wandered off,

1080
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 5: and I just love me figuring like I need to

1081
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 5: do my good album, a good album, right.

1082
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 4: You know. It's like every I mean, he just had.

1083
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 5: I could have made a T shirt off of everything,

1084
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 5: he said, you know what I mean. You know I

1085
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 5: remember we were at his birthday party and uh and.

1086
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 2: Was this the don't don't fall in love man?

1087
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 4: He saw he saw my eyes were glistening that night.

1088
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 4: He was like, he said, hey, man, don't fall in love.

1089
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 4: Just don't fall in love. I was like to like.

1090
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 2: The wisdom of LSD I make a whole album, or

1091
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 2: the wisdom of l But it was just it was

1092
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 2: to learn like a constant professional man.

1093
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 5: His showmanship on and off stage was just you know,

1094
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 5: he was just tough and it you know.

1095
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 4: And also I was a person.

1096
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 5: It was probably the start of I was a person

1097
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 5: who always had vocal issues. I mean I got horse,

1098
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 5: I mean, mind you, I was like two songs in

1099
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,280
Speaker 5: the show and then got the Way and those two songs,

1100
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 5: I was struggling to maintain up. I was getting horse

1101
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. So to see somebody who sang

1102
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 5: all day on stage off stage, it really it really

1103
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 5: blew me away. And it was probably on the steps

1104
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 5: of like how do I get to that point? How

1105
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 5: do I get to a point where I can get

1106
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 5: more health like really healthier.

1107
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, And that was the start of it. Like and

1108
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 4: I was. I was nineteen really so I was. It was.

1109
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,600
Speaker 5: It was crazy, but it was a good learning lesson

1110
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 5: for me, Like, yo, this is this if you're gonna

1111
00:50:58,360 --> 00:50:58,919
Speaker 5: learn from a pro.

1112
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 4: The third from bag Other Bars was esoteric.

1113
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 2: Was that your first independently released well not inventy? Was

1114
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 2: that your first album period? Like that?

1115
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 5: Actually, yes, first album period. So uh, what's crazy is

1116
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 5: that I moved to Atlanta and I eventually eventually ran

1117
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 5: into ran into touch of jazz. So that was like

1118
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 5: life changing moment was like working at a Touch of Jazz,

1119
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,280
Speaker 5: and then I moved back. I went back to Atlanta

1120
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 5: to just get my stuff because I for the moment

1121
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 5: I met Touch of Jazz, like the moment I went

1122
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 5: to Jazzy Y Studio.

1123
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,959
Speaker 4: It's like I just never left around.

1124
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 2: Still one of my favorite like records, just I.

1125
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 4: Love Yeah, yeah, I mean you know, like I said,

1126
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 4: meet and Jeff.

1127
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 5: Meeting all those brothers at a Touch of Jazz was

1128
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,839
Speaker 5: like that was graduate school for me. That was like

1129
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 5: the life changing moment for me. But when I went

1130
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 5: back to get my truck and like move out of

1131
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 5: my apartment, I had a session with Joe and Uncle Sam.

1132
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 2: I was working at noon one Teddy Bishop.

1133
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 5: Teddy, Bishop Teddy, Bishop, Jazzy Faye, Brian Michael Uh, Brian Cox,

1134
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 5: I mean just killers and it's down there, and I

1135
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 5: think Joe had a concert. So when he went, He's like,

1136
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go to my concert and I'm gonna come

1137
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 5: back and finish the song. So I went to take

1138
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 5: a nap at a friend's house and left just but

1139
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 5: mind I'm leaving the next time, dropping back up to

1140
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 5: Jersey and someone broke into my truck and took just

1141
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 5: took the bag out the front seat, and that bag

1142
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 5: was every song I recorded up to that point. So

1143
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 5: it's like everything in high school, everything in college, everything

1144
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 5: at Warner Brothers, everything.

1145
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 4: In Island all gone.

1146
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 5: And in just a snap, like I come out to

1147
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 5: the car and it's just glass everywhere the truck or whatever.

1148
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 5: And uh and that was like that was really like,

1149
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 5: oh snap. So I mean it was like really starting

1150
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 5: over starting.

1151
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: I say, it's a full reset.

1152
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 4: Completely full reset.

1153
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:00,919
Speaker 5: And then I went I was still working out of course,

1154
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 5: working on Touch of Jazz, and then I just started

1155
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 5: I started just working on Esoteric.

1156
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 4: And then it was like.

1157
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 5: I didn't have a deal, you know, And it was

1158
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 5: like at that point, I'm Eric Roberson, a songwriter. Like

1159
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 5: I'm proud of myself. Every room I walking out, I'm

1160
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:15,720
Speaker 5: Eric Roberson, a songwriter.

1161
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 2: And did you had you signed your deal your songwriting

1162
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 2: deal with ian My at that time or was this

1163
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 2: prior today?

1164
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 4: I had my publishing deal.

1165
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 5: I had a publishing deal with ian My at the time,

1166
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 5: and things were working for me. I mean, as a songwriter,

1167
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 5: I couldn't have been happier, you know what I mean,

1168
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 5: because at this point I talk about the music, Soul

1169
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 5: Child stuff, the VV and Green stuff, everything's working, but.

1170
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 4: I just wasn't satisfied. And I had it. I got it.

1171
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 5: I actually had a bad like a bad breakup, and

1172
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 5: that's what really sparked it. Like I was like, let

1173
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 5: me just start, just close the studio door and just

1174
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 5: start working. That was the only way I knew how

1175
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 5: to get back to neutral.

1176
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 4: Was like just right. So I was either writing in

1177
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 4: the journal, I was writing a song.

1178
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 5: It was like back and forth, and then the album

1179
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 5: was done, and it was I really was like I

1180
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 5: was just unwilling to sell these songs because they were

1181
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 5: like they were way too personal, way too much.

1182
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 4: And it was like I'm just gonna I'm just gonna

1183
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 4: put it out.

1184
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 5: And I remember, like really the homies like all laughing,

1185
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 5: like what you mean you're gonna put it out?

1186
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 4: You're gonna put it out. I was like, I think

1187
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna put it out.

1188
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 5: Like you got a record now now, like we'll just

1189
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 5: figured it out, just put it out. And that was

1190
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 5: it just started. This is two thousand two or two thousand,

1191
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 5: two thousand and one, and and mind you by no

1192
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 5: means was out a first. But I know means I

1193
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 5: remember Dwelly had Rise, I knew of I knew of

1194
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 5: a lot of artists who were independent and in different

1195
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 5: states and everywhere.

1196
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 4: Shout out to fertile ground. Who was the first.

1197
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 5: Queso putting out music like independently putting out music and

1198
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 5: selling records?

1199
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:47,959
Speaker 4: So I know means the first.

1200
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,959
Speaker 5: If anything that was different from me and anyone else,

1201
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 5: I remember, like I remember Carl Thomas being an independent artist.

1202
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 4: I remember Kim.

1203
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 5: I remember Kim before before Motown signing John Legend before

1204
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 5: uh before he was John Stevens.

1205
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 2: Stevens had we had Kobe, he had had the Kobe haircut.

1206
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, So I remember.

1207
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 5: The difference was like, you know, once you sold a

1208
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 5: certain amount of records independently, the labels come scoop you up.

1209
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 5: That's how that was a normal thing. And I was like, well,

1210
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 5: what happens if you if you don't sign with them?

1211
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 5: What happens if you started sell a certain amount and

1212
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 5: then just keep going.

1213
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 4: What will happen then?

1214
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 5: And I think that if anything is different, that's that's

1215
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 5: the part where we got to the We got to

1216
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 5: the point where we could have went to a deal

1217
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 5: and and and worked.

1218
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 4: Their stuff out.

1219
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:37,720
Speaker 5: We had sold enough records, we had got enough attention,

1220
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 5: and then guess what, most of the labels, because of

1221
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:43,280
Speaker 5: my songwriter stuff, knew who I was and for whatever reasons.

1222
00:55:43,560 --> 00:55:46,359
Speaker 5: If there was situations, which we did have, some they

1223
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 5: didn't work out. But for the most proble like, let's

1224
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 5: just push through, man, Let's push through and see what happens.

1225
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 4: And it worked out, man.

1226
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 5: I mean be honest with you.

1227
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 4: You sit here and there I had a master plan.

1228
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 2: I didn't.

1229
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 4: It just worked out.

1230
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 2: Really, And when you with your label Blue Soul, was

1231
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 2: that like how did you assemble? I guess the team?

1232
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 2: You know? Was it? You know you go to your

1233
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 2: parents and say, hey, I need some help. Is it

1234
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 2: just homies you worked with? Like? How did you work

1235
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 2: those steps of figuring out what you needed as an

1236
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 2: independent artist?

1237
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 4: The first part was the fans challenged me to take

1238
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:19,720
Speaker 4: it more serious.

1239
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 5: They wanted more music, and it was like, okay, if

1240
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 5: we're gonna because I thought I was gonna put album

1241
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 5: out and then just go back to songwriting and producing

1242
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 5: for people, but they were like, we want more, we

1243
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 5: want more. It was like, okay, how do we work

1244
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 5: that out? The biggest difference. The first step was my

1245
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 5: dad retired, and I remember it. He came into the

1246
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 5: studio one time, and at that point I would do

1247
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 5: like I would record all night, and then I might

1248
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,560
Speaker 5: go to the gym for like a couple of hours,

1249
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 5: and then I would from like twelve to four, we

1250
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 5: was just like packing CDs up and like just making

1251
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 5: printing packages. And I would spend that time at the

1252
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 5: post office. And then when I finished the post office,

1253
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 5: say five o'clock, it was back recording from five to

1254
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:00,760
Speaker 5: four o'clock till I just couldn't stay up anymore.

1255
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 4: And I repeated.

1256
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 5: And my dad walked in one day when I was

1257
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 5: like preparing stuff, he says, what you're doing here? I

1258
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 5: was like, I got to ship all the stuff off,

1259
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:11,279
Speaker 5: like ship the CDs off, and he's like, you need help.

1260
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 4: That's how I was like, like you need to help

1261
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 4: with that.

1262
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 5: And I was like, if you could take this as

1263
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 5: a post office that that would be a lot of help,

1264
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 5: and he was like, yeah, cool. So then I was

1265
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:20,960
Speaker 5: at that point I was like, okay, I can just

1266
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 5: focus on music. And to be honest with you, you know

1267
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 5: Jarell who has been one of my best friends.

1268
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 4: He has managed me off.

1269
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 5: You know, he's been around, and I think Jarell kind

1270
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 5: of watched for a while and he was like, eventually

1271
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 5: stepped in, was like, how you need help, let's whatever.

1272
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 5: And then the rest of the truth he told. The

1273
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 5: rest of it was like fans. I think sweet Locks

1274
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,640
Speaker 5: was around and she was around and was like, what

1275
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 5: do you do? I like, hey, join me, let's you know.

1276
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 5: It's like Select eventually joined on, Demo eventually joined on,

1277
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 5: and she eventually joined on. It was really, I mean

1278
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 5: and that mind you. I don't want to not evenly

1279
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 5: think that they were.

1280
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 4: Just like fancyeah.

1281
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 5: It was more like these are people who also had

1282
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 5: desires in the industry. They were around, and the more

1283
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 5: we talked, it was like, well, I'm trying to do this,

1284
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 5: what do you do?

1285
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 4: You know there's a mutual win here, there's a mutual win.

1286
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 4: There's a mutual win.

1287
00:58:17,240 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 5: Like even uh, Demo, I think he was he sung

1288
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 5: background for me on a show, like somebody linked me

1289
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 5: up and he sung background. At that point, it was

1290
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 5: a house band, show up whatever whatever, and then we

1291
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 5: started picking up a band and I think he camera said,

1292
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 5: if I show up to a show up to a show.

1293
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 5: Can I do the gig? I was like yeah, sure, okay.

1294
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 5: I was like, the next show in Toronto, candidate. He's like,

1295
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 5: all right, cool, he was in Toronto. The next show

1296
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 5: was in La. He was in La And the next

1297
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 5: show is in Atlanta. He was in Atlanta. So now

1298
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 5: I was like, how are you getting here? Like he's

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Speaker 5: a well you guy then figured this out. So now

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Speaker 5: I remember like, so can you get my band tickets

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Speaker 5: like that? He's like, yeah, yeah, do that. And that's

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Speaker 5: how he started booking. That's how he started. He started

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Speaker 5: like he's been like the row manager, the background saior

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Speaker 5: road manager ever since, you know. And I remember like

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Speaker 5: Aunt shea who now is a powerhouse in the booking

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Speaker 5: she's booking everybody shows. But I remember we were there's

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Speaker 5: probably six seven years ago. She was already in the staff.

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Speaker 5: She was rocking in the staff, But I need more

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Speaker 5: help in the booking area. Can someone move over? She

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Speaker 5: was like, I moved to booking. She probably already had

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Speaker 5: some insight on it, but then she she moved over

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Speaker 5: there and like just started rocking.

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Speaker 4: So it was really just a community of people that were.

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Speaker 5: Trying to grow, trying to be better, and I was

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Speaker 5: fortunate they joined up with me to join it with

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Speaker 5: my company. And it's great because now they have their

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Speaker 5: own businesses and their families and their own successes, but

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Speaker 5: yet can invest in Mind as well.

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Speaker 4: So it's been great.

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Speaker 5: The history, I mean, the history of just who's worked

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Speaker 5: for me, who's played for me, is probably one of

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Speaker 5: my proudest, proudest things.

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Speaker 2: Like just Man Man, Yeah, Killers, Killers.

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Speaker 4: I'm honored.

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Speaker 2: I'm honored to see ye demo Man, Demo, I got

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Speaker 2: a shout out. I mean, just first off, I mean

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Speaker 2: your whole team. I mean, every time we've always traveled,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's always been love. It's always just been

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Speaker 2: you know you you just have amazing people around you.

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Speaker 2: And that was just a big lesson I think I

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Speaker 2: learned just from kind of touring with you and just

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Speaker 2: kind of seeing the way you built out your infrastructure

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Speaker 2: of just okay, like these are just like people that

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Speaker 2: he really fucked with and they just fuck with him,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean, and they trust each other

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Speaker 2: and you know, Demo, I got a shout Demo out.

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Speaker 2: Demo saved my life one night. I was. It was

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Speaker 2: after we did bro, it was after we did Chicago,

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Speaker 2: we did Chicago, and I feel like this is around

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Speaker 2: the same time that, like my dad was done, like

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Speaker 2: all this shit is going on. But so it's after

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Speaker 2: the show and uh, and it's late and I'm just

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Speaker 2: in the lobby. I don't even I can't remember what

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01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 2: it was. I was even I was outside talking to something,

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01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 2: but I was just in the lobby. Demo shows up

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Speaker 2: with a bucket. Goddamn heralds. Let me tell you something, bro,

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01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 2: Demo show. He's just in a line with a bucket

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Speaker 2: of heralds. And I think he had his kids with

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Speaker 2: him that night. Yeah, And I was like, I said, yo,

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Speaker 2: I say yo, I say yo, Man, I said, you know,

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Speaker 2: I ain't try. I said, bro, Man, let me get

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Speaker 2: one of the wings.

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Speaker 4: He said, oh no, Bro, I got you.

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Speaker 2: Man. Come on, I got you man. He gave me

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Speaker 2: something to win. Bro, Listen, I said, you are the realist, dude,

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01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 2: like to part with heralds in Chicago. That is the sacrifice. Like, so,

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Speaker 2: say man, listened. I needed that wing right then. I

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Speaker 2: really needed it.

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Speaker 5: But that's you know what a good guy like. I said, Man,

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Speaker 5: you know, and it's funny, you know. Now I'm a parent,

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Speaker 5: but I watched this guy's being a solid dad to

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Speaker 5: his kids, you know.

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Speaker 4: What I mean?

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Speaker 5: And you know, and I think he's a perfect example

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Speaker 5: of everybody has had to wear multiple hats on my

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Speaker 5: team and I love watching, like a venue manager or

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Speaker 5: promoter watch finish up negotiations with him and then watch

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Speaker 5: him go on stage shady jacket and get on stage

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Speaker 5: and then like sing. They're like, yo, it a minute.

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Speaker 5: Wasn't the same dude. It's like, but guess what we

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Speaker 5: all had to We all had to do. We all

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Speaker 5: had to wear different hats to make all this word,

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Speaker 5: you know what I mean. So so shout out to him,

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Speaker 5: mauch Yo, find Demo's music.

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Speaker 4: You know you got a new album coming out in.

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Speaker 5: The whole nine once again, like everybody, everybody is in

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Speaker 5: the team is working on something. And I'm honest, like

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Speaker 5: I said, I'm honored did they take time to bill

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Speaker 5: with me and that they're building their own stuff as well?

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Speaker 2: Yo, yo yo, what up? This is Sponte fakelo. Listen,

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Speaker 2: stay tuned because Part two of my one on one

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Speaker 2: conversation with my big brother Eric Robson is coming next week.

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Speaker 2: We get even further into life things, some family stuff

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Speaker 2: to get into the recording process. I'm making them Ticulario.

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Speaker 2: We're getting all that good stuff, so check for us.

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Speaker 2: Next week is going down on Quest Lots springs, all right, Pasty.

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