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Speaker 1: Com with Nick Eaton, David Hellman, Ambar Garcia, and Derrek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, August sixteenth, twenty seventeen, Season thirteen, episode
Speaker 1: number twenty six. Welcome to another edition of The Break.
Speaker 1: I am Derrek Eagleton, join by Nick Amber Dave. We
Speaker 1: are live in Oxnard, California. It is our final day
Speaker 1: of shows here from Oxnard. Tomorrow we start packing things up. Friday,
Speaker 1: the team heads back to Dallas and they got a
Speaker 1: game Saturday night, and on Monday they start practices or
Speaker 1: training camp Phase two. I guess is what it would
Speaker 1: be back at the Star in Frisco. How how's everybody
Speaker 1: doing this? Good? And see the end? And see the end.
Speaker 1: It's been four weeks, four long weeks of training camp
Speaker 1: out here, and today we're actually going to wrap that
Speaker 1: up on the show. I have a series of questions
Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you guys that we'll give fans
Speaker 1: a good overall perspective of what you think after four
Speaker 1: weeks of watching this team practice of a couple preseason games,
Speaker 1: and just give him a general overview of what we
Speaker 1: think of the team coming out of training camp. Before
Speaker 1: we get to that, though, there are a couple of
Speaker 1: news items we need to hit. We'll start first with
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott. He has now officially done what we knew
Speaker 1: he was going to do, which is appealed the six
Speaker 1: game suspension. At this point, I think the the appeal
Speaker 1: will be heard by the NFL sometime between now and
Speaker 1: August twenty ninth. There's been a lot of news thought
Speaker 1: that's been developing, and the story keeps developing over this week.
Speaker 1: A lot of news about different things that we've heard
Speaker 1: about seem to be things that that are coming from
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Elliott's camp. Just talking about their position in all
Speaker 1: of this day. You've talked about some of this stuff.
Speaker 1: You're not talked about some of this stuff before we
Speaker 1: went on the air. Tell me a little bit about
Speaker 1: your thoughts there. Well, I think if you go back
Speaker 1: when this was first happening, we kind of mentioned that,
Speaker 1: you know, if you appeal and maybe even later in
Speaker 1: the future if this goes into actual court, that this
Speaker 1: is a thing that could get pretty ugly. It already
Speaker 1: seems like that's starting to happen. Every day this week
Speaker 1: since this you know suspension was announced on Friday, you've
Speaker 1: seen stuff trickling into the news. You know, four Ward
Speaker 1: Star Telegram has a story, Yahoo Sports has a story.
Speaker 1: This morning, you're hearing Ezekiel elliott side of the story.
Speaker 1: You're hearing, you know, the pushback from the league suspension,
Speaker 1: what the league said Elliott did or didn't do. You're
Speaker 1: hearing now, you know, information discrediting maybe what his ex
Speaker 1: girlfriend you know, is implying in these accounts and things
Speaker 1: like that. And actually, literally we haven't had a chance
Speaker 1: to talk about this, Like within the last ten minutes.
Speaker 1: Nfl PR put out a statement basically saying, you know,
Speaker 1: we've seen these stories. This is a common tactic that
Speaker 1: people do to try to discredit victims of abuse, and
Speaker 1: they actually called it shameful. These you know, these stories
Speaker 1: that are coming out that kind of tell Elliot's camp
Speaker 1: side of the story. I don't I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think it's a coincidence that we hadn't heard much about
Speaker 1: this all summer, and in the five days since Elliott's
Speaker 1: suspension was announced, you're seeing it playing out of the news,
Speaker 1: and you know, far be it. Like I said, I
Speaker 1: don't feel comfortable dictating who's right and who's wrong in
Speaker 1: the entire situation. You know, the information is out there
Speaker 1: for anybody to read it and decide for themselves. I
Speaker 1: think it's obviously a lot of conflicting information and it's
Speaker 1: hard to really sift and come to a concrete conclusion
Speaker 1: about it. But like we said, when you're talking about appeals,
Speaker 1: Elliot's camp, Ezekiel, Elliott, his representation, the NFLPA, they want
Speaker 1: to they want to make a case for lessening his
Speaker 1: suspension or throwing it out all together. The NFL obviously
Speaker 1: wants to stand firm on their ground that they feel
Speaker 1: they are justified in suspending him for six games, And
Speaker 1: you're seeing it play out in the news right now,
Speaker 1: and the longer it goes on, I think it'll be
Speaker 1: even more contentious. So it's a hell of a start
Speaker 1: to the whole situation and we'll see where it goes
Speaker 1: from there. But it's been an interesting few days and
Speaker 1: we will see how Ezekiel Eliot will and his representatives
Speaker 1: will handle this situation because obviously, when you start talking
Speaker 1: about appeals, there's no guarantee that anything will change, the
Speaker 1: same NFL infrastructure that made the decision that this was
Speaker 1: the right thing to do is going to hear the appeal.
Speaker 1: Whether it's a different person or not, it's still the
Speaker 1: same apparatus. And so we'll see how far. We'll see
Speaker 1: how far Ezekuel wants to take that well and on
Speaker 1: that it comes to. It's impossible to predict, but it's
Speaker 1: I mean, their goal is they're going after the credibility
Speaker 1: of the person that's saying that he did these things
Speaker 1: that merrit a six game suspension, and you've seen that Monday, Tuesday,
Speaker 1: and now Wednesday, and now you've seen the NFL answer it.
Speaker 1: They kind of fire their own shot back at wherever
Speaker 1: this news is coming from. And like I said, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is three days into it over an NFL appeal,
Speaker 1: This is still just the NFL's infrastructure. If this goes
Speaker 1: into actual court, it could be really nasty. So it's,
Speaker 1: like I said, it's going to be interesting to watch
Speaker 1: how it unfolds. All right, let's let's talk one other thing.
Speaker 1: We needed to hit real quick Jaalen Smith. Yesterday, Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones says that Jalen Smith will actually play this week.
Speaker 1: Talk to me, Nick, I know you were you were there, Dave,
Speaker 1: I think you were there as well. Talk about how
Speaker 1: much you expect him to play. Is this going to
Speaker 1: be a quick in and out and do a couple
Speaker 1: of plays or is he going to play an extended
Speaker 1: period of time. Well, I think that you know, what's
Speaker 1: probably going to happen with him is that I don't
Speaker 1: expect him to actually start the game, but he will
Speaker 1: get some time out there, and he'll do it with
Speaker 1: some um, you know players that you know, for some
Speaker 1: first teamers in there, just depending on how long did
Speaker 1: they play those guys. But I would imagine that they're
Speaker 1: not just gonna put him in there, but strictly second
Speaker 1: team guys. He'll get there, he'll get to play, and
Speaker 1: they want to see him kind of move around a
Speaker 1: little bit. It'll probably be a scripted thing. Maybe eight
Speaker 1: to ten plays, maybe it's a few more, you know,
Speaker 1: depending on how serieses go. Yeah, I would. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's hard to say because you don't know how long
Speaker 1: a series is gonna last, you know, if like, is
Speaker 1: it everybody, sorry, something's happening. Yeah, we're good. What we're saying.
Speaker 1: If he gets in there and it's if he goes
Speaker 1: if he goes in there and it's a three and out,
Speaker 1: then I would imagine he'll come back out, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean I would imagine, Yeah, they want to between
Speaker 1: eight and fifteen plays. I certainly he's not going to
Speaker 1: be one of those guys that plays the whole back
Speaker 1: into the second half. I think that's way too big
Speaker 1: of a jump from what he's done out here. But
Speaker 1: he's definitely shown that he can handle I don't know, one, two,
Speaker 1: or maybe even three series in a game. I think
Speaker 1: that's reasonable. It'll be interesting to see just because we
Speaker 1: obviously haven't been able to see him in game action
Speaker 1: since he's been on the on the Cowboys roster, so right,
Speaker 1: this will be interesting from that standpoint. And I remember
Speaker 1: we talked about him, um close to when we got
Speaker 1: here to training camp. Has y'all's opinion changed a little
Speaker 1: bit more about him, the optimism of him play this
Speaker 1: year and playing during this I guess first per season.
Speaker 1: The game I think a little bit. I mean, I
Speaker 1: kept noticing that that gallop that that he was calling
Speaker 1: a run and it's still sort of there. But but
Speaker 1: I think that might just kind of be his run too,
Speaker 1: because when he's shown out here on the practice field,
Speaker 1: when he needs to get from point A to point B,
Speaker 1: he can do that. He can do that pretty quickly,
Speaker 1: and he kind of his thing is he knows where
Speaker 1: a point B is gonna gonna be because that's his
Speaker 1: His awareness is so good, and so I've seen him
Speaker 1: moving quick and he can definitely react. But when he
Speaker 1: is kind of jogging a running, he kind of looks
Speaker 1: like a cult a little bit. So I don't think
Speaker 1: my opt I don't think my outlook has changed about
Speaker 1: the immediate future, like September tenth or seventeenth, or twenty
Speaker 1: fourth or fifth, because they play Monday night that week.
Speaker 1: But I feel a lot better just in the long term,
Speaker 1: I mean you think. I mean, he's still really fresh
Speaker 1: into his career. He has not played an NFL game,
Speaker 1: And I keep thinking back to that report that came
Speaker 1: out right when we got to training camp that he's,
Speaker 1: you know, somewhere between sixty and eighty percent and he
Speaker 1: needs he needs more time before he's at one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: And I feel more optimistic than ever that he can
Speaker 1: get there. I wasn't sure about that when we got here,
Speaker 1: but just watching the progress he's been able to make
Speaker 1: out here, I don't think they're blowing smoke that they
Speaker 1: think he can be one hundred percent. And this is
Speaker 1: without the nerve being completely read. That's what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's exactly he's obvious. I mean, he's obviously not one
Speaker 1: hundred percent roaring ready to go, or else he'd be
Speaker 1: doing way more. But I'm way more optimistic than I
Speaker 1: ever have been that he might get there one day.
Speaker 1: And all along the trainers have said. I remember talking
Speaker 1: to the guy that's kind of been helping him the
Speaker 1: most there, Britt Brown. He does all the rehabs, and
Speaker 1: he said, before, you know, I'm not trying to get
Speaker 1: him to play sixteen games, like, that's not my goal.
Speaker 1: My goal is to get him to play ten years
Speaker 1: in this league. But so the long game. So yeah,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't matter if he's not ready for week one. Okay,
Speaker 1: if he's not ready, if he's if we have to
Speaker 1: put him on pup, which they did not, but if
Speaker 1: he that was way back then he has to miss
Speaker 1: six games so be it. I'm trying to get him
Speaker 1: to play a full career here and get him to
Speaker 1: that point. So that's the goal with him. The fact
Speaker 1: that he's going to play this third game in the
Speaker 1: preseason and you know, he's probably gonna play for Week
Speaker 1: one and you know, against the Giants in some role,
Speaker 1: I think that that's a win right there. That's a
Speaker 1: success probably. Yeah. No, well, I mean and even now
Speaker 1: after everything we've seen, I still I think you're making
Speaker 1: a mistake if you expect him to be a Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl linebacker in September. But like I said, I'm way
Speaker 1: more optimistic that he could play at a Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: level later in his career. I mean, you're seeing the
Speaker 1: steps and they've all been encouraging to this point. And
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are obviously very patient, and I think if
Speaker 1: fans can just take a patient approach and you know,
Speaker 1: not expect to move mountains right there at the start
Speaker 1: of this second season, really his first season, I'm starting
Speaker 1: to feel good that this could pay dividends in the
Speaker 1: long run. Yeah, we will definitely get our first chance
Speaker 1: to see Jayleen Smith this weekend. Cowboys. I will play
Speaker 1: on Saturday night versus the cults, So that will be
Speaker 1: the first time that you guys as fans, will also
Speaker 1: get a chance to see him as a cowboy, So
Speaker 1: that should be fun, seed Doc and see Dak's gonna
Speaker 1: play as well. There will be a lot more I
Speaker 1: would assume a lot more of the veterans players that
Speaker 1: we haven't seen a lot of here in the preseason
Speaker 1: that will be playing this weekend. Maybe not for a
Speaker 1: prolonged period of time, but at least out on the field.
Speaker 1: It's starting to feel a little bit more like NFL football.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go ahead and take our first break.
Speaker 1: When we come back, I do want to get into
Speaker 1: some of these camp questions. We're going to talk about
Speaker 1: just the big picture of what's been happening out here
Speaker 1: over the last four weeks and give you guys an
Speaker 1: idea of what you can expect heading into the season.
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Speaker 1: It's the second segment of The Break Live from Oxnard,
Speaker 1: California's final show of training camp for two seventeen. We'll
Speaker 1: be heading back to the Star and getting started back
Speaker 1: there practices next week. Let's go ahead and get into
Speaker 1: this camp rap segment of the show. I have a
Speaker 1: couple of questions. I'm gonna gonna wrap Yeah, we're gonna
Speaker 1: wrap this up in a pretty a w. Yes, we're
Speaker 1: gonna wrap this up in a pretty little bow for
Speaker 1: all of our fans out there. So I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: these questions. I have some answers that I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you that you guys can choose, so it'll be kind
Speaker 1: of like multiple choice. But feel free if you don't
Speaker 1: like my answers to throw in whatever you like, Dave,
Speaker 1: because I know you always have something else to say,
Speaker 1: So feel free to throw in whatever other answer you'd
Speaker 1: like to throw, and we'll give people a good idea
Speaker 1: of what's been happening for the last four weeks. First question,
Speaker 1: which position are you least concerned about after watching this
Speaker 1: team for four weeks? Wide receiver, offensive line, tight in
Speaker 1: or running back? Least concerned wide wide receiver, Yeah, ode
Speaker 1: receiver because there's the is the answer based off of
Speaker 1: the ones you gave us or just yeah, And you
Speaker 1: can feel free if you think there's another one that
Speaker 1: wasn't included in that least concerned position you least concerned about, y'all,
Speaker 1: go ahead with your receiver. They're loaded. They got you
Speaker 1: have Desdas looks like DEAs And we joked, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean we spent and I see all your tweets. Don't
Speaker 1: worry like I'm not ignoring you, like we probably spent
Speaker 1: five ten minutes kind of like is Das having like
Speaker 1: ads camp? Yeah, y'all did go there. And then he
Speaker 1: goes out good. He sometimes he wasn't, but he sure
Speaker 1: is now because he's making he's doing crazy circus catches.
Speaker 1: He's just he's dunking it over the goal posts. Taking
Speaker 1: photos of people. Yeah, a little nervous by that because
Speaker 1: last time he dunked, I know, two years ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was like, yeah, well he was out his hamstring
Speaker 1: looks fine. Um, he's been awesome. He looks like he's
Speaker 1: at Dad's level. You got two burners who can take
Speaker 1: the top off the defense. Before he got hurt, and
Speaker 1: it's not a serious injury. Bryce Butler was great. Terrence
Speaker 1: Williams has been consistent. I know we haven't seen Switzer
Speaker 1: in training camp, but I've seen enough from him in
Speaker 1: OTAs and just in general to feel comfortable. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying he's as good as Beasley, but you got two
Speaker 1: of those slot mismatch type guys. And then I got
Speaker 1: a big old man crush on Noah Brown too. He's
Speaker 1: had a great camp. And that doesn't even mention Andy Jones,
Speaker 1: who I don't know how you even find a place
Speaker 1: for him, Hopefully he can. Him and Noah Brown both
Speaker 1: might be practice squad guys, I don't know, but they
Speaker 1: got seven really solid looking wide receivers. Yeah, it's got
Speaker 1: to be that position unless you're gonna, you know, go
Speaker 1: punter or a a kicker or something like that, because no
Speaker 1: other spot when you're looking at it has The only
Speaker 1: question market receiver is number six if they will even
Speaker 1: have a number six, and then will it be Brown
Speaker 1: or Andy Jones? Because these five guys were making the team.
Speaker 1: Switzer is a bit of a question but not from
Speaker 1: making the team. But there's a question mark around him
Speaker 1: just because he's missed so much time, right, I don't
Speaker 1: think so really question mark of what I'm sorry, there's
Speaker 1: a question mark around Switzer from the standpoint of how
Speaker 1: much can he really be expected to control missing so much?
Speaker 1: I thought you were trying to say he wouldn't make
Speaker 1: the team, and no, no, no, no no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't do that. But but but I'm just saying no,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying from that standpoint, I think when a
Speaker 1: rookie misses that much training, yea, at the receiver position,
Speaker 1: I would think there's some effect to that. Yeah, But
Speaker 1: so that just means if he's not ready, then that's
Speaker 1: this one package that they don't use that as much. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And now punt return, he's supposed to do that because
Speaker 1: I know who it's not going to return punts And
Speaker 1: that's all ll over back there. Hell, he took some
Speaker 1: else against them did. I just kept thinking he's at
Speaker 1: some point you're gonna but even I mean even if
Speaker 1: he's not ready to go, or if they don't feel
Speaker 1: comfortable with him for week one, Cole Beasley can do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. Yeah, that's the least concerning position. Okay, which
Speaker 1: position are you most concerned? Running back, defensive line, defensive backs? Um,
Speaker 1: I will say the defensive line. And there's a lot
Speaker 1: of question marks there because you got this sense you
Speaker 1: got guys practicing out here that aren't going to play.
Speaker 1: You got guys that aren't practicing that are going to play,
Speaker 1: and Tyrone Crawford. So it's just it's kind of a
Speaker 1: you're counting on Tapper. That's dicey. You know. You got
Speaker 1: these young guys that you want, you know, and then
Speaker 1: then when someone starts to play, well, I'll Stephen Pie
Speaker 1: doing well, then he's got a knee kind of flares up.
Speaker 1: You got Cedric Thorton in there, then he's there has
Speaker 1: been no consistency there and no players that you can
Speaker 1: just kind of count on a go he'll be there,
Speaker 1: wait till he comes back. You don't give Lawrence that
Speaker 1: kind of no for now, No, no, no, because Lawrence
Speaker 1: is a solid player, but they drafted him and they
Speaker 1: need him to be a really good player and he
Speaker 1: hasn't shown that. Collins Leik, Yeah, I think he's the
Speaker 1: one that you're the most excited about. But he's plays
Speaker 1: defensive tackle and he's gonna if he'll be a beast
Speaker 1: if he gets five sacks. And you know what you're
Speaker 1: saying is that's not enough. Yeah, from a standpoint amount
Speaker 1: of pressure, you really there's just so many question marks there.
Speaker 1: You don't know where it's going to come from. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there are very very few guys and some you just
Speaker 1: mentioned that you can kind of count on it and
Speaker 1: that are good. But aside from that, I mean, you
Speaker 1: don't really have anyone. And it's kind of concerning, well
Speaker 1: pretty concerning compared to you. How they were last year.
Speaker 1: They were not They weren't great, So it's not much
Speaker 1: better at all this year. Have you ever seen a
Speaker 1: good defense that didn't have a great player, just a
Speaker 1: good defense, a great defense. Defense of this team has
Speaker 1: a great player, Shaun Lee, good point. They were I
Speaker 1: mean they were good last year. They had one great player.
Speaker 1: They were good. They weren't great, they were good, So
Speaker 1: that would be my rebuttal. Yeah, but shell Lee, I
Speaker 1: mean that's about it. Really, You're no argument here. I'm
Speaker 1: just other than that. Right, But he's a great player,
Speaker 1: but he's not a difference maker, not really well. Linebacker,
Speaker 1: even more so than running back. Linebackers, even the best linebackers,
Speaker 1: the best linebackers that have ever played the game. Let's
Speaker 1: say you know, from from the eighties on and you
Speaker 1: name the great linebackers, most of them had a great
Speaker 1: and like a pro bowled somebody up front. It's but
Speaker 1: if we still go if we still go back to
Speaker 1: the argument I made a few weeks ago, that doesn't
Speaker 1: you don't have to have a great defense in order
Speaker 1: to have success as a as a team, like you
Speaker 1: don't even Super Bowl success. I mean you mentioned the
Speaker 1: New Orleans Saints that they have a great player on
Speaker 1: that defense. That defense was an opportunitist, opportunistic defense, and
Speaker 1: the offense was putting up a ton of points and
Speaker 1: so it created good scenarios for the defense. Right, So
Speaker 1: I don't think you have to have of a great defense,
Speaker 1: and maybe not even a really good defense. Maybe just
Speaker 1: an average defense is okay if your offense is good enough.
Speaker 1: We got that we got average, And that's why my
Speaker 1: answer would actually be running back, because as I've established
Speaker 1: with Nick, I great on a curve, Like I'm not
Speaker 1: worried about the defensive line or the secondary because like
Speaker 1: I'm not expecting that much from Like they're gonna be
Speaker 1: what they are, and honestly, considering what I thought they
Speaker 1: had when we got here, I'm actually encouraged because I've
Speaker 1: seen some stuff from Taco that makes me think he
Speaker 1: could come on. I've seen Demontre Moore has been a
Speaker 1: pleasant surprise. Uh, Stephen Paia has been a pleasant surprise.
Speaker 1: Collins looks like the beast that we thought he was.
Speaker 1: Coming over to my side. I'm well, Camp, we've kind
Speaker 1: of I'm not you're kind of moving on over to
Speaker 1: my side. It's happening, it's inevitable. I'm not telling you
Speaker 1: that they're gonna get sixty sacks. They're probably the middle
Speaker 1: of the pack. There you go. But running back concerns
Speaker 1: me because five days ago we had argue he had
Speaker 1: the best backfield here in the league between how good
Speaker 1: Zeke is and then the depth and now you're just like, man,
Speaker 1: I hope this old folks home can handle the load.
Speaker 1: While we figure this zek stuff out. I mean, and
Speaker 1: I actually think they'll be fine. But you downgraded from
Speaker 1: a Ferrari to a Mazda or not a Masda. You're
Speaker 1: still getting to your destination down You downgraded from a
Speaker 1: Ferrari to like an Accura, which is like Accuras are fine,
Speaker 1: but it's not a Ferrari. It's you might get there,
Speaker 1: but it's not fun. It's not as it's not as fun. Yeah, So,
Speaker 1: I I mean, you went from arguably the best running
Speaker 1: back maybe top three for sure, to like, these guys
Speaker 1: will get it done. It's just kind of yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's concerning, but I think they'll be okay. All right,
Speaker 1: let's let's move on to the next question. Which player
Speaker 1: has exceeded expectations most. Jalen Smith Rico gathers Bryce Butler. Now,
Speaker 1: this is always this is graded on the curve of
Speaker 1: coming into camp, what you expect to them, and I'll
Speaker 1: even go back to at the last season what you
Speaker 1: thought of them, to what you think of them now
Speaker 1: after four weeks in training camp. Jalen Smith Rico gathers
Speaker 1: Bryce Butler, who has exceeded expectations more of those three players,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Rico because he has not played this.
Speaker 1: You know, he has not practiced football until last year.
Speaker 1: He doesn't really know how to do hardly anything. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's still talking about catching football and where where you
Speaker 1: high point the ball and all that stuff. So I
Speaker 1: think when you watch him play now, he's starting to
Speaker 1: really look like a player that I'm not saying he
Speaker 1: can contribute right now, but he looks the part for sure,
Speaker 1: and I think he's come, you know, the furthest. Before
Speaker 1: you guys answer, I also want to say something about
Speaker 1: what you just said about how he catches the ball.
Speaker 1: If you watch how he catches the ball, he catches
Speaker 1: the ball actually more naturally then some of the guys
Speaker 1: out here who have been doing it for a much
Speaker 1: longer period of time. It's rare you see a ball
Speaker 1: get to his body. Most of the time he puts
Speaker 1: his hands out and he's plucking the ball out of
Speaker 1: the air, which which is pretty remarkable for god that
Speaker 1: hasn't played football. Unless you think about it from a
Speaker 1: standpoint of basketball and what you do in basketball, you
Speaker 1: always yea, he's got an instinct to go and use
Speaker 1: the body, and he knows how to do that and
Speaker 1: use leverage and all that. So, uh, it's not like
Speaker 1: he's been sitting on his count since he was thirteen
Speaker 1: years old and he's been doing things. Obviously, he's been
Speaker 1: at the gym a couple of times, but two or three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I just think that he, uh, he's come a
Speaker 1: long way and he's still got a long ways to go.
Speaker 1: Amber I wouldn't. I mean, I'm not gonna choose Rico
Speaker 1: just because before we got to training camp, I got
Speaker 1: to see plenty of him, like his development and how
Speaker 1: good he's guy in all the progress he's made. So
Speaker 1: and Jalen Smith I had pretty a pretty good feeling
Speaker 1: about him. I was feeling pretty good. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to go with Bryce Butler. I honestly didn't expect
Speaker 1: him to do as well as he did this camp,
Speaker 1: aside from the little setback he had there with the injury,
Speaker 1: but overall, he he did exceed my expectations for this camp.
Speaker 1: I'm actually gonna throw a Bryce out too. And I
Speaker 1: agree with everything Nick said about Rico, but I just
Speaker 1: think back to the draft when Noah Brown's name got called,
Speaker 1: it was bye bye, Bryce. It was like, you're expendable,
Speaker 1: They're trying and get rid of you. You are going
Speaker 1: to be gotten rid of because you're inconsistent and blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. And he just told everybody to shove that narrative.
Speaker 1: I mean, right now, barring injury, three weeks away from
Speaker 1: final cuts, he's on the team. I'm they're not cutting him.
Speaker 1: They trust him. He's been there, he's done that, He's
Speaker 1: made plays in this offense. He works well with Dak
Speaker 1: and Kellen Moore's he's on the team and he's been
Speaker 1: damn good too. And I don't have a lick of
Speaker 1: doubt that. If not, I mean not so much Dez
Speaker 1: because he's so irreplaceable in terms of his skill set.
Speaker 1: But if Terence were to go down, I think Bryce
Speaker 1: Butler could do that job just fine. And that's not
Speaker 1: a knock on what Rico and Jalen have achieved out here,
Speaker 1: but I think everybody thought that they would both be
Speaker 1: on the roster when it was all said and done
Speaker 1: for one reason or what I like what Bryce has
Speaker 1: done is he you can see the improvement in his game. Yes,
Speaker 1: he's a tall guy that goes and he can run.
Speaker 1: He's always been able to run, but he's been able
Speaker 1: to get low, get the ball, and really, you know
Speaker 1: he's he's kind of sacrifices, his body goes down he
Speaker 1: gets it. He's made catches like that, the tough catches
Speaker 1: this year that that he hadn't really seen. So he
Speaker 1: has elevated his game. He looks like a different player.
Speaker 1: I mean he looks like a complete wide receiver more
Speaker 1: so than just a really fast guy who occasionally gets open.
Speaker 1: I'll take it one step further. I don't think it
Speaker 1: is just as he's gonna make this team. I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna make this team, and I think if he
Speaker 1: continues to play like he has, I think he'll have
Speaker 1: a role on this team. I think this is a
Speaker 1: guy that can get you four or five touchdowns this year,
Speaker 1: and he has that big play of ability. He'll get
Speaker 1: some big plays for you out of the in this
Speaker 1: offense if he continues to be as consistent as he's
Speaker 1: been out here in training camp yes or day. I
Speaker 1: heard him talking to someone out here on the field
Speaker 1: after practice, and I don't know if this has any
Speaker 1: effect on how well he's performing out here on the field,
Speaker 1: but I heard him say how he's put the whole
Speaker 1: DJ thing off to the side and a little he's retired, yeah, temporarily.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, if you could remember last year,
Speaker 1: if you follow him on social media and see his stuff,
Speaker 1: how much he would you know, go out at night
Speaker 1: DJ and do this or do that. And now apparently
Speaker 1: he's more focused on the game rather than outside. Not
Speaker 1: that there is nothing wrong with that, but maybe just
Speaker 1: more focused and that has helped him. Yeah, I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's a good point for him, you know,
Speaker 1: for him, and it's glad that he did that. Now,
Speaker 1: when we went to that concert justin Timberlake, he looked
Speaker 1: like he was trying to get the DJ get off.
Speaker 1: He was trying to move him off the stage, but
Speaker 1: they were just having DJ talk. But that that happened, happened.
Speaker 1: These guys, you know that they have so many opportunities,
Speaker 1: so many doors that open that it's hard and they
Speaker 1: have more passion, you know, passion. They're passionate about other things.
Speaker 1: So it's a tough balance. And that's okay as long
Speaker 1: as you put it in context. Right, that's luck with
Speaker 1: any of our jobs. We can all have passions that
Speaker 1: go beyond our jobs. As long as when you're on
Speaker 1: your job. That's your passion. Like when you're on your job,
Speaker 1: you're doing that with passion, right, So I guess it
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter as much from that standpoint. Let's move
Speaker 1: on to the next question, which player has not met expectations?
Speaker 1: I have a couple out throughout there, but I'll let
Speaker 1: you guys choose, and this one's wide open. If there's
Speaker 1: anybody else you want to throw and you can, but
Speaker 1: because of injury Chaz Green, Ryan Switzer, I would put
Speaker 1: on that list of guys you could throw in. Who
Speaker 1: are some other guys that maybe you guys think or
Speaker 1: do you agree that maybe one of these two guys
Speaker 1: has not met expectations for you, Dave, let's start with you.
Speaker 1: I think both of those are fair, and I mentioned
Speaker 1: this in our Pretty Show meeting. I'm gonna Jordan Lewis,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw him out there, and I'm sorry, Jordan,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to dog you. I don't don't again
Speaker 1: I ranted about it. I'm not blaming you for injury
Speaker 1: that happens. And I think they're being smart with him
Speaker 1: because he can still play a role for this team
Speaker 1: once he gets healthy. It looks like he'll be back
Speaker 1: at practice sooner rather than later. He's kind of making
Speaker 1: strides to get back on the field. But like I said,
Speaker 1: when we got out here, I pulled as many people
Speaker 1: as possible back at the Star after the draft, and
Speaker 1: he was the runaway winner in terms of the guy
Speaker 1: people were most excited to see. He was a first
Speaker 1: round caliber talent that they got in the third round.
Speaker 1: The off field incident came up clear, so he's good
Speaker 1: to go, and we just haven't gotten a chance to
Speaker 1: really see him at all. He's fielded a few punts
Speaker 1: in practice and that's really it. So, you know, I
Speaker 1: think he was a guy that a lot of people
Speaker 1: were excited to see and still are. I mean training
Speaker 1: you know, we're going home, but training camp still has
Speaker 1: three weeks left, and I just, you know, I thought
Speaker 1: he would push for playing time and we just haven't
Speaker 1: gotten a chance to see it yet. And that's I mean,
Speaker 1: it's disappointing. It's not his fault, but it is what
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, I did my rant yesterday on Topper,
Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna talking. I really expressed myself on
Speaker 1: that subject, but I'm just gonna go with the whole
Speaker 1: rookie grew that is injured, and like you said, Dave,
Speaker 1: it's not their fault. Really, you can't really say, oh,
Speaker 1: he didn't meet my expectations because of an injury he
Speaker 1: just had. And although none of those injuries are major,
Speaker 1: it's still something that it's disappointing to see happening, just
Speaker 1: because this is a crucial time for all these rookies
Speaker 1: to come out here and kind of learn about the
Speaker 1: speed of this game and developed their talent and play
Speaker 1: with the other veterian guys, and we just haven't really
Speaker 1: seen much of that. And I think it's although they
Speaker 1: still have time to do all that, it's still going
Speaker 1: to affect their game definitely. I mean, practice matters, is
Speaker 1: what Jason Garrett says. I think I think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with a different, different guy on that list. Uh.
Speaker 1: And this is because of my own expectations. I kind
Speaker 1: of set them higher, and I thought he might take
Speaker 1: a bigger step than he has, and that's Jeff Heath.
Speaker 1: I thought that that Heath would would show out a
Speaker 1: little bit more. Uh. It's not to say that he's
Speaker 1: he's taking a big step back. I just kind of
Speaker 1: expected that maybe he would he would really turn the
Speaker 1: corner and show show out more. It's only been a
Speaker 1: couple of games. I don't think he played that well
Speaker 1: in that first game, but you know that they were
Speaker 1: they were throwing the ball up and down the field
Speaker 1: on him. Uh, he could have grabbed that fumble, you know,
Speaker 1: from mid air. That's a tough play to play, a
Speaker 1: tough play to make. He didn't make that, But I
Speaker 1: just I just kind of thought he would be in
Speaker 1: a point where they really wouldn't be rotating. Now, with
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods and Cavan kind of playing the way they are,
Speaker 1: I think you'll see more rotation there. So you know,
Speaker 1: it's still early, but I thought Jeff Heath might take it,
Speaker 1: take the ball and run with it a little bit
Speaker 1: more than he has. Here's how the coming from Twitter
Speaker 1: covering Dad. Uh, Jeff Heath seems to be more of
Speaker 1: a coverage guy and Xavier Woods more of the right
Speaker 1: kind of safety guy. What do you think on that? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's been a couple a couple of games
Speaker 1: with with with Xavier Woods, he's obviously got good instincts.
Speaker 1: Let's see, you know, he's playing, he's he's playing in
Speaker 1: the second half of these games. He hasn't faced a
Speaker 1: great competition, but that's not his fault. But you know,
Speaker 1: he finds himself around the football a lot. So I
Speaker 1: think that you know, you'll see that a little bit more.
Speaker 1: But but they'll play both. I mean that's the thing.
Speaker 1: I think they'll both go out there and they'll play
Speaker 1: and Frasier will get involved too. All Right, So tell
Speaker 1: me who is the who's been the best rookie so
Speaker 1: far in camp? And I'll give you a list of
Speaker 1: the guys. Cheetah bay A, Woozier, Taco Charlton, Noah Brown,
Speaker 1: Mark west White, and Xavier Woods. Which has been the
Speaker 1: best rookie of camp in these four weeks? We kind
Speaker 1: of talked about this yesterday, Well camp or preseason or
Speaker 1: I mean, well, I'm thinking in the last four weeks,
Speaker 1: Rush should be in there. If it's games in the
Speaker 1: last four weeks, you could certainly put Coopers. I think
Speaker 1: Cooper should be in the group there in the last
Speaker 1: four weeks. Who's been the best rookie? Chittabay had the
Speaker 1: best start. I said that yesterday, but I mean he's
Speaker 1: kind of faded. Injuries play a role in that. Um,
Speaker 1: I think the most consistently the best consistent camp of
Speaker 1: everybody just from beginning to end showing up doing stuff.
Speaker 1: It is probably Noah Brown. Taco deserves a mention too,
Speaker 1: but he's he's had his bad days, he's had his
Speaker 1: good days, and you know, people have been down on
Speaker 1: him and up and everything. I think for a seventh
Speaker 1: round pick, who's got who's looking on the outside of
Speaker 1: the wide receiver position. I think Noah Brown has been
Speaker 1: really really good. Yeah, and they they've all had their moments,
Speaker 1: other than Jordan Lewis who just hasn't been out here,
Speaker 1: but they've all had their moments where they they've been
Speaker 1: the most surprising or the best. You know, Taco had
Speaker 1: some great moments in the game, and you know Switzer's
Speaker 1: he had the whole off season where he was great,
Speaker 1: U Cheeto did did well, and Marquez White, you know,
Speaker 1: had for a moment he had he was kind of
Speaker 1: going Cooper Rush the same way. So they've all kind
Speaker 1: of had their moments of it. I'm gonna pick Tacco
Speaker 1: because I think Taco is the guy that's kind of
Speaker 1: he's he's played the more, the most he's been there,
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, I think he's the lights
Speaker 1: starting to come on for him. If there's one guy
Speaker 1: that I mean basically everybody were mentioning other than Brown
Speaker 1: has been had, has been hurt, or is dealing with
Speaker 1: something or whatever. If there's one guy that's gonna be
Speaker 1: available every day, it's nice that it's Taco, Like he's
Speaker 1: had the fewest amount of setbacks. That's exactly where I
Speaker 1: was going to go with it, is Taco has been
Speaker 1: the guy that's been In my opinion, you look at
Speaker 1: what you want from a rookie and training camp, which
Speaker 1: is wherever you start, be better by the time you
Speaker 1: finish the four weeks, and I think there's been clear
Speaker 1: progress for Taco from the beginning to where he is now.
Speaker 1: And if he keeps on that trajectory, I think he
Speaker 1: continues to grow. He'll be an asset for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: this season, and then beyond should be more than that.
Speaker 1: He should be a really good player for him if
Speaker 1: he continues again to grow the way that he's grown
Speaker 1: over these four weeks, Amber I would have go with Rush.
Speaker 1: I mean, just although we not many eyes have been
Speaker 1: on him during training camp, during practices and all that,
Speaker 1: when he has played, he has played very well. So
Speaker 1: that's something that to me at least was very unexpected.
Speaker 1: I did not expect him to play the way he
Speaker 1: did and has played so far. And I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping he can kind of beat out Kellen Moore somehow, somehow,
Speaker 1: But we'll see, we'll see what happened. Uh hopefully. I
Speaker 1: don't know this coach is no one more than I do,
Speaker 1: but we'll see. All right, let's real quick about Cooper Rush.
Speaker 1: The last preseason game, you start him, start to finish, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think. I mean we've seen that before out of
Speaker 1: a guy like Stephen McGee when they were trying to
Speaker 1: figure out that they keep three or two. And this
Speaker 1: is the time. I mean, I don't think Kellen Moore
Speaker 1: is gonna have to show you anything else at that point.
Speaker 1: He's not going to get to play with a lot
Speaker 1: of guys. I want Cooper Rush to start the game,
Speaker 1: run out of the tunnel, coin flip everything, be the guy.
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens. It's your, it's your. Rico gathers
Speaker 1: theory like I don't, don't try to stash him, figure
Speaker 1: out if he's worth keeping or not. And by the
Speaker 1: time that game's over, you should know if he merits
Speaker 1: a Russ and this is a pretty decent for fifth
Speaker 1: preseason game or final preseason game. This will be a
Speaker 1: good atmosphere for him because you're going into a place
Speaker 1: where they hate you. I'm gonna say it don't matter, Cowboy,
Speaker 1: it don't matter, and it matters to theaters. Even if
Speaker 1: it's preseason, that matters. So it'll it'll be a good
Speaker 1: It'll be a good atmosphere for him to go in there.
Speaker 1: I know it's a good three games to go, but
Speaker 1: I think I think that's what they should be looking
Speaker 1: at for a good point. All right, let's take our
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Speaker 1: a little bit about our next upper upcoming Deep Blue.
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Speaker 1: is the final segment of the break Glide from Ox
Speaker 1: and Art California, it's our final final show from out
Speaker 1: here in Ox and Art. We head back to Frisco
Speaker 1: here soon. We'll be heading out tomorrow, but the team
Speaker 1: will be heading out on Friday and back in Dallas
Speaker 1: for game Saturday. Everybody Phili a quitter for doing that,
Speaker 1: for leaving a little barer. No, not at all. It's
Speaker 1: been four weeks and it's time to get back to
Speaker 1: get back. We got here before them, and I can
Speaker 1: eat Jimmy John's on Friday and not feel guilty about
Speaker 1: it or excuse me, Jersey Mikes. No nothing. I thought
Speaker 1: that would register with y'all because they have the Jersey
Speaker 1: Mike's on the plane and they don't like it when
Speaker 1: we eat them. No, yeah, that fel fly. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: excited about it. Okay, Yeah, I'm gonna go get Jersey
Speaker 1: Mikes Friday and it's gonna be great. So whatever, Okay, Dave, Thanks, Dave,
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Dave. All right, let's you know we need
Speaker 1: to talk about though. We do need to talk about
Speaker 1: our next upcoming Deep Blue. If you didn't catch the
Speaker 1: one that we put out last week called Doomsday two,
Speaker 1: you can go to Dallas Cowboys dot com Forward Slash
Speaker 1: Deep Blue, or you can go on to our new
Speaker 1: Cowboys Now app on connected TV devices where you can
Speaker 1: watch that documentary. But the one that's come up this week,
Speaker 1: you'll be able to watch that one as well. We'll
Speaker 1: have a live premier Saturday where we're gonna basically play
Speaker 1: it everywhere. It'll be live on Facebook, be live on Periscope,
Speaker 1: on YouTube, on Dallas Cowboys dot Com, on Cowboys Mobile,
Speaker 1: and then again on Cowboys Now are connected TV devices
Speaker 1: on connected TV devices. Nick, you've been a part of
Speaker 1: that project. It's called Let It Ride. It's the story
Speaker 1: of Leon Let talked to us a little bit about
Speaker 1: that story and some of the more interesting things that
Speaker 1: maybe you came across as you were putting it together. Well,
Speaker 1: I've been very grateful to be able to do it,
Speaker 1: and it's a remarkable story and for him. The one
Speaker 1: thing that that and I'll try not to go to
Speaker 1: too long on this, but the one thing that's so
Speaker 1: fascinating for me was that when when you talk about
Speaker 1: players that grow up in uh, you know, rural towns,
Speaker 1: and he didn't have a lot of money. He was
Speaker 1: in Alabama and it didn't have great grades. He dealt
Speaker 1: with tragedy. Uh. Then he went to some small couple
Speaker 1: of small colleges to get to the NFL from a set.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a seventh round pick. They get to
Speaker 1: the NFL, that would be your biggest triumph. That's for
Speaker 1: most people out here, their biggest triumph is to get
Speaker 1: here and wear the start and be there. For leon Let,
Speaker 1: he had to deal with bigger obstacles than that once
Speaker 1: he got here. Some of them and some of those
Speaker 1: things he did on his own. I mean, he had
Speaker 1: a couple of those gaps that we know, the ninety
Speaker 1: two game, the ninety three game, those two embarrassing moments.
Speaker 1: He had a hard time with off the field issues
Speaker 1: he had, uh, whether it be drugs, he had injuries,
Speaker 1: but mainly him. He was suspended three different times. Yet
Speaker 1: every time he kept battling back. It's very easy to
Speaker 1: drop the rope, and he never did. He kept going
Speaker 1: every single time. And so um that I think is
Speaker 1: the most remarkable thing, the fact that he is now
Speaker 1: a football coach. When you think about being in in school,
Speaker 1: you always had these guys that you looked around that
Speaker 1: weren't very good in class and they didn't show up.
Speaker 1: They barely did they. They didn't. They didn't know anything.
Speaker 1: You just wonder what are you gonna do with your life?
Speaker 1: And if they turned and say, well, I'm probably going
Speaker 1: to be a teacher, I mean, you can't even be
Speaker 1: a student, and now you're a teacher. And that's what
Speaker 1: Leon Lett has done. He was a very tough student
Speaker 1: and now he's teaching these guys. It's a it's an
Speaker 1: amazing story, it really is, and so um, you know,
Speaker 1: let it Ride. We came up with the title because
Speaker 1: the two moments everyone knows, or those two plays on
Speaker 1: the field, but he has had two life changing moments.
Speaker 1: They both happened in a car and you know, he
Speaker 1: and he he had to basically drive his father to
Speaker 1: the hospital when he's fifteen years old, didn't know how
Speaker 1: to drive. His dad is having a heart attack and
Speaker 1: he's helping him drive at the same time, like you know,
Speaker 1: hold it in the road, do this, do that, and
Speaker 1: he's goes to there and gets there in time for
Speaker 1: him to take the you know, oxygen masks off and
Speaker 1: said be strong for the family, Leon and he dies,
Speaker 1: you know, and so he had to he had to
Speaker 1: grow up right then, at fifteen years old, and then
Speaker 1: fifteen years after that incident, with the Thanksgiving Day game
Speaker 1: against the Dolphins, he was still dealing with it. He
Speaker 1: had to get in the car drive and say, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm never letting this affect me ever again.
Speaker 1: This is stupid. I'm not gonna it's not gonna bother me.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna affect my life. Came back around boom.
Speaker 1: He decides I'm gonna go back to school, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get graduate, I'm gonna become a coach. And
Speaker 1: now's with the Dallas Cowboys. Some pre remarkable story, really
Speaker 1: pretter remarkable story. And again this Saturday, I think it's
Speaker 1: at four pm, Yeah, four pm Central time, we will
Speaker 1: be running Let It Ride. That will be again, it
Speaker 1: will be everywhere. We'll have it on Facebook, on YouTube,
Speaker 1: on Periscope, Dallas Cowboys, dotrim Cowboys Mobile. Friday, we'll have
Speaker 1: a Facebook live interview with Leon himself and then Nick, Nick,
Speaker 1: you're going to do the interview, correct, right? Yeah, So
Speaker 1: we'll do a Facebook live on Friday, and hey, we're everywhere.
Speaker 1: We'll talk to We'll talk to Leon and he'll he'll
Speaker 1: kind of give a little bit of perspective on the
Speaker 1: on the documentary and on his story again for you
Speaker 1: guys to get ready for that document it's coming out
Speaker 1: this uh this Saturday. I drove to Omaha this summer
Speaker 1: to watch LSU's Ill Faded World Series bid and I
Speaker 1: guess it's in which aitar emporious state in which, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's in Kansas. I drove past it and I
Speaker 1: just it would I mean to ninety nine percent of
Speaker 1: people would mean Jack, like, what the hell's emporious state?
Speaker 1: But I was just like, yeah, good for you, dude.
Speaker 1: This is where you were and you made it to
Speaker 1: the NFL. That's pretty cool. It's a little small school, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite interviews was from going down to
Speaker 1: Miami to talk to Jimmy Johnson. I thought that that
Speaker 1: was that was great. You know, he gave us a
Speaker 1: lot of insight on his career and kind of what
Speaker 1: happened with that Thanksgiving Day game and some some things
Speaker 1: I didn't really realize. Did you make it out to
Speaker 1: the boat. Now, we didn't go out to the boat,
Speaker 1: but we went to his restaurant, Jimmy Johnson's Big Chill,
Speaker 1: Big Chill. That's what it's good food. It was good food. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And he said, hey, get what you want and it's
Speaker 1: on me. Guess when you're the owner, you can just
Speaker 1: you can do that whatever you want. That's what that's
Speaker 1: what he does. You know. You see these documentaries and
Speaker 1: stuff with the Johnson and that's what he'll do. You say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll talk to anybody. You come down here, set up
Speaker 1: right here at the restaurant and we'll do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what anybody living the dream more than him think so.
Speaker 1: The coaching legend, his his coaching record is impeccable. He
Speaker 1: shows up on Sundays, he does work like two days
Speaker 1: a week during football season, talking about football right and
Speaker 1: having his opinion respected across the country by football fans.
Speaker 1: And then the rest of the time he just chills
Speaker 1: in South Florida. Like what a beast. You think he
Speaker 1: gets in the Hall of Fame. I don't know the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, Ring of honor, hall of fame. Give
Speaker 1: me both, Like, what do you you think he gets
Speaker 1: in the Ring of honor? You think he gets in
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. I think he gets in the
Speaker 1: Ring of Honor. I don't know about the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: although I would it's I would the same argument that
Speaker 1: you make for Terrell Davis, I think you could make
Speaker 1: for Jimmy Like it's a brief career. But I mean,
Speaker 1: how do you tell the story of the NFL without
Speaker 1: the nineties Cowboys? Right? And who built the night who
Speaker 1: helped build the nineties? Because you know what's I think
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people that will probably say
Speaker 1: that Tom Coughlin is a guy that belongs in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame at some point there will at least
Speaker 1: be an argument made for that. And he will have
Speaker 1: two Super Bowl trophies, right, And yes, he coached for
Speaker 1: a much long period of time, he did it with
Speaker 1: two different teams. Now he's back with that that first team,
Speaker 1: and and took that first team pretty far. I mean
Speaker 1: they got to a championship game. Um, so there's there's
Speaker 1: a little bit to that. But I do think that
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you still do judge
Speaker 1: coaches a lot of times on championships, and his ability
Speaker 1: to win two championships, even if it was in a
Speaker 1: short period of time, to me, matters, yeahn't it Isn't
Speaker 1: it just hard for coaches though, I mean, like other
Speaker 1: than the Landry's and then I mean, like I guess,
Speaker 1: I guess I knew this, but LT when he was
Speaker 1: in trying. Marty Schottenheimer's not in the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: and I think, like, probably not gonna make it in
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, which seems crazy, But didn't the
Speaker 1: coach from the Buffalo Bills that lost four times in
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl? Isn't isn't he in the Pro Football
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame? I mean, if he can get in
Speaker 1: with four losses, I would think two women John right,
Speaker 1: I would think with two wins that should be enough.
Speaker 1: And like you say, like, can you tell the story
Speaker 1: of the NFL without this person? And I think, not
Speaker 1: only was he a great coach even for a short period,
Speaker 1: it's time that won two championships. His personality is big
Speaker 1: enough because that's a part of You can't tell me
Speaker 1: it's not a part of it. That's a part of it.
Speaker 1: Was how about them Cowboys a thing? Before Jimmy Johnson,
Speaker 1: I don't know was it. I don't think anybody was
Speaker 1: screaming it until Jimmy Johnson. Yeah, I think I mean
Speaker 1: Ring of Honor, yes, hall of Fame, sure, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think so. I think there's definitely a case to be
Speaker 1: made there. They don't ask me, but they don't they
Speaker 1: don't ask any Maybe in ten us from now, there's
Speaker 1: one per committee of one. Yeah, yep, all right, let's
Speaker 1: let's get some questions. We got a couple more minutes here.
Speaker 1: We got about seven minutes left on the show. You
Speaker 1: can call us nine seven two four nine seven forty
Speaker 1: four hundred is the number. Let's see if we've got
Speaker 1: a question on Twitter, what do we have Amber? Do
Speaker 1: you see Rod calling more blitz with this personal on defense? Um?
Speaker 1: Not really, you hope not, because I mean blitz is
Speaker 1: typically or for teams that can't get you know, generate
Speaker 1: their own pass rush. So but probably he'll have to.
Speaker 1: He'll he'll have to, uh in this case, because I
Speaker 1: don't think that these whoever they put out there, you know,
Speaker 1: especially until Irving comes back. If Irving comes back, I
Speaker 1: think he'll help you with with that. But but yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna probably have to throw some blitz out there.
Speaker 1: Stand pretty good at it. They got some corners who
Speaker 1: can blitz, but I I don't see them. These the
Speaker 1: linebackers I got, I mean they do, I know they do,
Speaker 1: but like it's not a staple of this defense, and
Speaker 1: I think he would prefer not to unless it's desperate.
Speaker 1: I think Damien Wilson has the traits for a guy
Speaker 1: that could do that. I agree, you know, what are
Speaker 1: we gonna miss? What are we gonna miss the most
Speaker 1: about camping ox Snart? The weather? That was easy, chinks,
Speaker 1: that's honestly the only thing. You don't agree. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't like the cold. I don't in the mornings
Speaker 1: and when it's you're only you're the only person out
Speaker 1: here without sleeves, like eight is not cold. Much from them,
Speaker 1: and it can Republic exactly. It's like freezing out here.
Speaker 1: Not at this moment, but yeah, not at this moment.
Speaker 1: Every morning, I'm not going to miss anything else. I
Speaker 1: hate the Pacific time zone, sorry West Coasters. I hate
Speaker 1: eating the same thing and going through the same thirteen
Speaker 1: hour routine every day. I hate living in a hotel room.
Speaker 1: But I sure do like the weather. Yes, the weather
Speaker 1: is are very very nice, and of course days now runners,
Speaker 1: so that definitely helps. I'm dreading my first run in Texas.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be very bad. We'll be hard, Okay, next
Speaker 1: question answer, I don't know. Moving on, Moving on this
Speaker 1: is a question. Huh, Jordan Lewis make the fifty three
Speaker 1: of ving though he hasn't shown he hasn't been active.
Speaker 1: There's no way he doesn't. Yeah, underdraft pay, there's no
Speaker 1: way he doesn't make the same. He may not be active,
Speaker 1: Um very often. I mean he spend some time on
Speaker 1: the baseball brigade. Yeah, I don't think I think he'll
Speaker 1: be an active first week. Sure, he asked to me.
Speaker 1: So let's let's finish the show with this final question. UM,
Speaker 1: giving me an MVP of training camp for you? Um,
Speaker 1: we kind of do this. This is going to kind
Speaker 1: of become a bit of a of a tradition that
Speaker 1: we do at the end of training camp. But give
Speaker 1: me who has been your MVP of training camp so
Speaker 1: far in twenty and seventeen. Well, I'll start it, and
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't think it's a really a cop out.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm staring at I think the best
Speaker 1: player that at camp here probably is Zach Martin President.
Speaker 1: I really think that he has been. I don't think
Speaker 1: he can't just say that because he's right there in
Speaker 1: front of you here, he can't hear me, and he's
Speaker 1: focused us. But he's not the MVP. He's not the MVP.
Speaker 1: He's just he's a he's a really good player, Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott is to me, And you know what, that's fine,
Speaker 1: that's not a cop out. He has been the most
Speaker 1: valuable player on it. He come, he's come here every day,
Speaker 1: He's practiced well. He's had a couple of moments here
Speaker 1: and there, but this is the time to have those
Speaker 1: interceptions and all that. But for the most part, I
Speaker 1: think he's he's shown improvement in this game, and he
Speaker 1: is the leader. He is the star and he's gonna
Speaker 1: need to shine even brighter now with with Zeke down.
Speaker 1: Let me let me change this just about I want
Speaker 1: to make sure we're clear. I said MVP. What I'm
Speaker 1: really talking about, who's been the best player, who's played
Speaker 1: the best out here. And I don't know if that
Speaker 1: changed your answer or nothing. Okay, Zach Martin has played
Speaker 1: the best. He doesn't get beat very much. Even when
Speaker 1: Malik gives him a goal, gives him a go, That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, gives him a go. That's that's good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But he's been he's been here. I agree the MVP.
Speaker 1: I would agree that it's dak best training camp overall,
Speaker 1: like from day one to the end. See, this is
Speaker 1: why I don't you know this, Like we talked about,
Speaker 1: I don't grade with the curve. I mean, I just
Speaker 1: look at Zach Martin d I expect him. Yeah it
Speaker 1: has he been there yet, but I mean, I know
Speaker 1: fifty five probably gonna factor into this. That's mine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he should be. He's been good well. Stephen Pie,
Speaker 1: I think is to me, has been the clear best
Speaker 1: player out here because I think it's been consistent. That's
Speaker 1: the thing about it is up until the point where
Speaker 1: his knife flared up at the end of last week,
Speaker 1: which has affected his ability to practice this week, it's
Speaker 1: pretty much every day in practice I'm seeing him do something.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like you know, some guys you talked about
Speaker 1: Chittabey Uh he started off hot and then he kind
Speaker 1: of you didn't really hear a lot from him. And
Speaker 1: there been a lot of guys that kind of at
Speaker 1: different moments during camp kind of camp and that's perfect
Speaker 1: and that doesn't mean they're not gonna be a good
Speaker 1: player for the season, just means it kind of ebbs
Speaker 1: and flows. I think Stephen Pie has been the most
Speaker 1: consistently good player out here on the field throughout the
Speaker 1: entire four weeks. And that's why I would say he's
Speaker 1: been the best player. I'm gonna I'm just gonna disobey
Speaker 1: your rule. Um, it's kind of the same thing as Dak,
Speaker 1: but Tyron Smith is like, he's so good when he's
Speaker 1: on it's I mean, you just get he just was
Speaker 1: gonna pick he and that's all I think. And we
Speaker 1: argued about this on like day one. I think he's
Speaker 1: pound for pound the best player on the team, and
Speaker 1: the one time we're like, we're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: DeMarcus beat him inside. That's not like him. And then
Speaker 1: the next day he sits out because his back hurts,
Speaker 1: and now they're managing him. He hasn't been practicing. He's
Speaker 1: looked good these last two days. If he if he
Speaker 1: can't go, I think even more so than Zeke, it
Speaker 1: changes the outlook of the entire season. And when he's
Speaker 1: out there, he's nasty and unbeatable and great. And if
Speaker 1: he's not out there, it's probably because he's dealing with
Speaker 1: his back. Outside of the quarterback, there is no other
Speaker 1: position on this team where you lose a player, and
Speaker 1: it more affects this team than Tyren Smith in a
Speaker 1: way exactly, which is I'm I say he's the MVP
Speaker 1: in terms of when he has been practicing, he's been great,
Speaker 1: and when he doesn't practice, you can tell how screwed
Speaker 1: they would be without of it. The delta between him
Speaker 1: and the next guy is huge. It's not good, it's huge. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And even with his back injury, like you said, even
Speaker 1: with dealing with that pain, when he has been out there,
Speaker 1: he's still better than everyone else. So let at seventy
Speaker 1: five percent, he's better than every defensive lineman on this
Speaker 1: team and probably most defensive lineman in the league. So
Speaker 1: you know, he's also I think could could factor in
Speaker 1: here is Orlando Scandrick. I think Scandrick has had a
Speaker 1: pretty good, brilliant Yeah, because we haven't talked a lot
Speaker 1: about him throughout camp, I don't feel like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: before camp, we did top twenty questions and I said
Speaker 1: he would be the MVP of camp, and so I
Speaker 1: kind of want he has had a he has had
Speaker 1: a good camp that I talked to him to him
Speaker 1: the other day about his whole veteran program and he
Speaker 1: was like, it makes a world of difference that they're
Speaker 1: giving me that time off, and I feel awesome. Even
Speaker 1: this was like two days ago at the tail end
Speaker 1: of camp. And that's great because he and he, I mean,
Speaker 1: he's beating Beasley out here on the one on ones.
Speaker 1: He's gotten a couple of picks. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: the deck is stacked against you as a defender in
Speaker 1: training camp practices anyway, because you can't tackle, and it's
Speaker 1: geared toward the offense. And maybe not MVP, but I
Speaker 1: think he's been good. He's got a different position and
Speaker 1: a different um. You know, obviously he's got he plays
Speaker 1: a different position, different type of injury. But look at
Speaker 1: what Jalen Smith is doing now. The fact that the
Speaker 1: Scandred got hurt last year. He came back, but he
Speaker 1: wasn't himself this year year or two of the injury.
Speaker 1: He's ready to go. That's what the Cowboys are hoping
Speaker 1: with Jaylen Smith. He's gonna play this week. We talked
Speaker 1: about it earlier on He's gonna play Saturday. But they're
Speaker 1: hoping this year, get through the year, get better by
Speaker 1: next year. Ready to go. That's a rap for our show.
Speaker 1: That's a rap for Camp First We'll be back on
Speaker 1: the air on Monday. We'll tell you what went write
Speaker 1: and what went wrong for the Cowboys fright when they
Speaker 1: play the Colts. Till then. For Nick Eatman, Ambergarcia, Dave Hellman,
Speaker 1: I'm Derek Eagleton. This has been the Break live on
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