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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, August sixteenth, twenty seventeen, Season thirteen, episode

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Speaker 1: number twenty six. Welcome to another edition of The Break.

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Speaker 1: I am Derrek Eagleton, join by Nick Amber Dave. We

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Speaker 1: are live in Oxnard, California. It is our final day

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Speaker 1: of shows here from Oxnard. Tomorrow we start packing things up. Friday,

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Speaker 1: the team heads back to Dallas and they got a

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Speaker 1: be back at the Star in Frisco. How how's everybody

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Speaker 1: doing this? Good? And see the end? And see the end.

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Speaker 1: It's been four weeks, four long weeks of training camp

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Speaker 1: the best backfield here in the league between how good

426
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 1: Zeke is and then the depth and now you're just like, man,

427
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 1: I hope this old folks home can handle the load.

428
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 1: While we figure this zek stuff out. I mean, and

429
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 1: I actually think they'll be fine. But you downgraded from

430
00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:20,880
Speaker 1: a Ferrari to a Mazda or not a Masda. You're

431
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,919
Speaker 1: still getting to your destination down You downgraded from a

432
00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:28,440
Speaker 1: Ferrari to like an Accura, which is like Accuras are fine,

433
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 1: but it's not a Ferrari. It's you might get there,

434
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 1: but it's not fun. It's not as it's not as fun. Yeah, So,

435
00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,679
Speaker 1: I I mean, you went from arguably the best running

436
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 1: back maybe top three for sure, to like, these guys

437
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 1: will get it done. It's just kind of yeah, yeah,

438
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 1: it's concerning, but I think they'll be okay. All right,

439
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,680
Speaker 1: let's let's move on to the next question. Which player

440
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:53,680
Speaker 1: has exceeded expectations most. Jalen Smith Rico gathers Bryce Butler. Now,

441
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 1: this is always this is graded on the curve of

442
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 1: coming into camp, what you expect to them, and I'll

443
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 1: even go back to at the last season what you

444
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,439
Speaker 1: thought of them, to what you think of them now

445
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 1: after four weeks in training camp. Jalen Smith Rico gathers

446
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:12,880
Speaker 1: Bryce Butler, who has exceeded expectations more of those three players,

447
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Rico because he has not played this.

448
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 1: You know, he has not practiced football until last year.

449
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 1: He doesn't really know how to do hardly anything. I mean,

450
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 1: he's still talking about catching football and where where you

451
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,399
Speaker 1: high point the ball and all that stuff. So I

452
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 1: think when you watch him play now, he's starting to

453
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 1: really look like a player that I'm not saying he

454
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: can contribute right now, but he looks the part for sure,

455
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,399
Speaker 1: and I think he's come, you know, the furthest. Before

456
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 1: you guys answer, I also want to say something about

457
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 1: what you just said about how he catches the ball.

458
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 1: If you watch how he catches the ball, he catches

459
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 1: the ball actually more naturally then some of the guys

460
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 1: out here who have been doing it for a much

461
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: longer period of time. It's rare you see a ball

462
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 1: get to his body. Most of the time he puts

463
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 1: his hands out and he's plucking the ball out of

464
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 1: the air, which which is pretty remarkable for god that

465
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 1: hasn't played football. Unless you think about it from a

466
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,639
Speaker 1: standpoint of basketball and what you do in basketball, you

467
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,679
Speaker 1: always yea, he's got an instinct to go and use

468
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: the body, and he knows how to do that and

469
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 1: use leverage and all that. So, uh, it's not like

470
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 1: he's been sitting on his count since he was thirteen

471
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 1: years old and he's been doing things. Obviously, he's been

472
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 1: at the gym a couple of times, but two or three. Yeah,

473
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 1: but I just think that he, uh, he's come a

474
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,959
Speaker 1: long way and he's still got a long ways to go.

475
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,160
Speaker 1: Amber I wouldn't. I mean, I'm not gonna choose Rico

476
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 1: just because before we got to training camp, I got

477
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 1: to see plenty of him, like his development and how

478
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 1: good he's guy in all the progress he's made. So

479
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 1: and Jalen Smith I had pretty a pretty good feeling

480
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 1: about him. I was feeling pretty good. So I'm gonna

481
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: have to go with Bryce Butler. I honestly didn't expect

482
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 1: him to do as well as he did this camp,

483
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 1: aside from the little setback he had there with the injury,

484
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 1: but overall, he he did exceed my expectations for this camp.

485
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: I'm actually gonna throw a Bryce out too. And I

486
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: agree with everything Nick said about Rico, but I just

487
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: think back to the draft when Noah Brown's name got called,

488
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: it was bye bye, Bryce. It was like, you're expendable,

489
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 1: They're trying and get rid of you. You are going

490
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: to be gotten rid of because you're inconsistent and blah

491
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 1: blah blah. And he just told everybody to shove that narrative.

492
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: I mean, right now, barring injury, three weeks away from

493
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: final cuts, he's on the team. I'm they're not cutting him.

494
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: They trust him. He's been there, he's done that, He's

495
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: made plays in this offense. He works well with Dak

496
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 1: and Kellen Moore's he's on the team and he's been

497
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: damn good too. And I don't have a lick of

498
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 1: doubt that. If not, I mean not so much Dez

499
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 1: because he's so irreplaceable in terms of his skill set.

500
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: But if Terence were to go down, I think Bryce

501
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: Butler could do that job just fine. And that's not

502
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 1: a knock on what Rico and Jalen have achieved out here,

503
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 1: but I think everybody thought that they would both be

504
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: on the roster when it was all said and done

505
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: for one reason or what I like what Bryce has

506
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 1: done is he you can see the improvement in his game. Yes,

507
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 1: he's a tall guy that goes and he can run.

508
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 1: He's always been able to run, but he's been able

509
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: to get low, get the ball, and really, you know

510
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: he's he's kind of sacrifices, his body goes down he

511
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: gets it. He's made catches like that, the tough catches

512
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: this year that that he hadn't really seen. So he

513
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: has elevated his game. He looks like a different player.

514
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 1: I mean he looks like a complete wide receiver more

515
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: so than just a really fast guy who occasionally gets open.

516
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: I'll take it one step further. I don't think it

517
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:36,959
Speaker 1: is just as he's gonna make this team. I think

518
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 1: he's gonna make this team, and I think if he

519
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: continues to play like he has, I think he'll have

520
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: a role on this team. I think this is a

521
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: guy that can get you four or five touchdowns this year,

522
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: and he has that big play of ability. He'll get

523
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: some big plays for you out of the in this

524
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: offense if he continues to be as consistent as he's

525
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: been out here in training camp yes or day. I

526
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: heard him talking to someone out here on the field

527
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: after practice, and I don't know if this has any

528
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,920
Speaker 1: effect on how well he's performing out here on the field,

529
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: but I heard him say how he's put the whole

530
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: DJ thing off to the side and a little he's retired, yeah, temporarily.

531
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, if you could remember last year,

532
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: if you follow him on social media and see his stuff,

533
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: how much he would you know, go out at night

534
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,400
Speaker 1: DJ and do this or do that. And now apparently

535
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: he's more focused on the game rather than outside. Not

536
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: that there is nothing wrong with that, but maybe just

537
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: more focused and that has helped him. Yeah, I think that,

538
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's a good point for him, you know,

539
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: for him, and it's glad that he did that. Now,

540
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: when we went to that concert justin Timberlake, he looked

541
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: like he was trying to get the DJ get off.

542
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 1: He was trying to move him off the stage, but

543
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: they were just having DJ talk. But that that happened, happened.

544
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: These guys, you know that they have so many opportunities,

545
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: so many doors that open that it's hard and they

546
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 1: have more passion, you know, passion. They're passionate about other things.

547
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: So it's a tough balance. And that's okay as long

548
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: as you put it in context. Right, that's luck with

549
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: any of our jobs. We can all have passions that

550
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 1: go beyond our jobs. As long as when you're on

551
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: your job. That's your passion. Like when you're on your job,

552
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 1: you're doing that with passion, right, So I guess it

553
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter as much from that standpoint. Let's move

554
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: on to the next question, which player has not met expectations?

555
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,159
Speaker 1: I have a couple out throughout there, but I'll let

556
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 1: you guys choose, and this one's wide open. If there's

557
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: anybody else you want to throw and you can, but

558
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: because of injury Chaz Green, Ryan Switzer, I would put

559
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: on that list of guys you could throw in. Who

560
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: are some other guys that maybe you guys think or

561
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 1: do you agree that maybe one of these two guys

562
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 1: has not met expectations for you, Dave, let's start with you.

563
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: I think both of those are fair, and I mentioned

564
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: this in our Pretty Show meeting. I'm gonna Jordan Lewis,

565
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna throw him out there, and I'm sorry, Jordan,

566
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to dog you. I don't don't again

567
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 1: I ranted about it. I'm not blaming you for injury

568
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: that happens. And I think they're being smart with him

569
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: because he can still play a role for this team

570
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: once he gets healthy. It looks like he'll be back

571
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: at practice sooner rather than later. He's kind of making

572
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: strides to get back on the field. But like I said,

573
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: when we got out here, I pulled as many people

574
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: as possible back at the Star after the draft, and

575
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 1: he was the runaway winner in terms of the guy

576
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: people were most excited to see. He was a first

577
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: round caliber talent that they got in the third round.

578
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: The off field incident came up clear, so he's good

579
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: to go, and we just haven't gotten a chance to

580
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: really see him at all. He's fielded a few punts

581
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: in practice and that's really it. So, you know, I

582
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: think he was a guy that a lot of people

583
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 1: were excited to see and still are. I mean training

584
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: you know, we're going home, but training camp still has

585
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: three weeks left, and I just, you know, I thought

586
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: he would push for playing time and we just haven't

587
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: gotten a chance to see it yet. And that's I mean,

588
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: it's disappointing. It's not his fault, but it is what

589
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah, I did my rant yesterday on Topper,

590
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna talking. I really expressed myself on

591
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,560
Speaker 1: that subject, but I'm just gonna go with the whole

592
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: rookie grew that is injured, and like you said, Dave,

593
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: it's not their fault. Really, you can't really say, oh,

594
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: he didn't meet my expectations because of an injury he

595
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: just had. And although none of those injuries are major,

596
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: it's still something that it's disappointing to see happening, just

597
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: because this is a crucial time for all these rookies

598
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: to come out here and kind of learn about the

599
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: speed of this game and developed their talent and play

600
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: with the other veterian guys, and we just haven't really

601
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: seen much of that. And I think it's although they

602
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: still have time to do all that, it's still going

603
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 1: to affect their game definitely. I mean, practice matters, is

604
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: what Jason Garrett says. I think I think I'm gonna

605
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: go with a different, different guy on that list. Uh.

606
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: And this is because of my own expectations. I kind

607
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: of set them higher, and I thought he might take

608
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: a bigger step than he has, and that's Jeff Heath.

609
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: I thought that that Heath would would show out a

610
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: little bit more. Uh. It's not to say that he's

611
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: he's taking a big step back. I just kind of

612
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 1: expected that maybe he would he would really turn the

613
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: corner and show show out more. It's only been a

614
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: couple of games. I don't think he played that well

615
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 1: in that first game, but you know that they were

616
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: they were throwing the ball up and down the field

617
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: on him. Uh, he could have grabbed that fumble, you know,

618
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: from mid air. That's a tough play to play, a

619
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,479
Speaker 1: tough play to make. He didn't make that, But I

620
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: just I just kind of thought he would be in

621
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: a point where they really wouldn't be rotating. Now, with

622
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods and Cavan kind of playing the way they are,

623
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: I think you'll see more rotation there. So you know,

624
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: it's still early, but I thought Jeff Heath might take it,

625
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: take the ball and run with it a little bit

626
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: more than he has. Here's how the coming from Twitter

627
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: covering Dad. Uh, Jeff Heath seems to be more of

628
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: a coverage guy and Xavier Woods more of the right

629
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: kind of safety guy. What do you think on that? Well,

630
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: I mean, there's been a couple a couple of games

631
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: with with with Xavier Woods, he's obviously got good instincts.

632
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: Let's see, you know, he's playing, he's he's playing in

633
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: the second half of these games. He hasn't faced a

634
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: great competition, but that's not his fault. But you know,

635
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: he finds himself around the football a lot. So I

636
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: think that you know, you'll see that a little bit more.

637
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Speaker 1: But but they'll play both. I mean that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: I think they'll both go out there and they'll play

639
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,719
Speaker 1: and Frasier will get involved too. All Right, So tell

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Speaker 1: me who is the who's been the best rookie so

641
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Speaker 1: far in camp? And I'll give you a list of

642
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Speaker 1: the guys. Cheetah bay A, Woozier, Taco Charlton, Noah Brown,

643
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Speaker 1: Mark west White, and Xavier Woods. Which has been the

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Speaker 1: best rookie of camp in these four weeks? We kind

645
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Speaker 1: of talked about this yesterday, Well camp or preseason or

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Speaker 1: I mean, well, I'm thinking in the last four weeks,

647
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Speaker 1: Rush should be in there. If it's games in the

648
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Speaker 1: last four weeks, you could certainly put Coopers. I think

649
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Speaker 1: Cooper should be in the group there in the last

650
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Speaker 1: four weeks. Who's been the best rookie? Chittabay had the

651
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Speaker 1: best start. I said that yesterday, but I mean he's

652
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: kind of faded. Injuries play a role in that. Um,

653
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Speaker 1: I think the most consistently the best consistent camp of

654
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: everybody just from beginning to end showing up doing stuff.

655
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Speaker 1: It is probably Noah Brown. Taco deserves a mention too,

656
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Speaker 1: but he's he's had his bad days, he's had his

657
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: good days, and you know, people have been down on

658
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: him and up and everything. I think for a seventh

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Speaker 1: round pick, who's got who's looking on the outside of

660
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Speaker 1: the wide receiver position. I think Noah Brown has been

661
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Speaker 1: really really good. Yeah, and they they've all had their moments,

662
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Speaker 1: other than Jordan Lewis who just hasn't been out here,

663
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Speaker 1: but they've all had their moments where they they've been

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Speaker 1: the most surprising or the best. You know, Taco had

665
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: some great moments in the game, and you know Switzer's

666
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Speaker 1: he had the whole off season where he was great,

667
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Speaker 1: U Cheeto did did well, and Marquez White, you know,

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Speaker 1: had for a moment he had he was kind of

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Speaker 1: going Cooper Rush the same way. So they've all kind

670
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Speaker 1: of had their moments of it. I'm gonna pick Tacco

671
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Speaker 1: because I think Taco is the guy that's kind of

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Speaker 1: he's he's played the more, the most he's been there,

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Speaker 1: and I think, you know, I think he's the lights

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Speaker 1: starting to come on for him. If there's one guy

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Speaker 1: that I mean basically everybody were mentioning other than Brown

676
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Speaker 1: has been had, has been hurt, or is dealing with

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Speaker 1: something or whatever. If there's one guy that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: available every day, it's nice that it's Taco, Like he's

679
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Speaker 1: had the fewest amount of setbacks. That's exactly where I

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Speaker 1: was going to go with it, is Taco has been

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Speaker 1: the guy that's been In my opinion, you look at

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Speaker 1: what you want from a rookie and training camp, which

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Speaker 1: is wherever you start, be better by the time you

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Speaker 1: finish the four weeks, and I think there's been clear

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Speaker 1: progress for Taco from the beginning to where he is now.

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Speaker 1: And if he keeps on that trajectory, I think he

687
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Speaker 1: continues to grow. He'll be an asset for the Cowboys

688
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: this season, and then beyond should be more than that.

689
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Speaker 1: He should be a really good player for him if

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Speaker 1: he continues again to grow the way that he's grown

691
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Speaker 1: over these four weeks, Amber I would have go with Rush.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just although we not many eyes have been

693
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Speaker 1: on him during training camp, during practices and all that,

694
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Speaker 1: when he has played, he has played very well. So

695
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Speaker 1: that's something that to me at least was very unexpected.

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Speaker 1: I did not expect him to play the way he

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Speaker 1: did and has played so far. And I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping he can kind of beat out Kellen Moore somehow, somehow,

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Speaker 1: But we'll see, we'll see what happened. Uh hopefully. I

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Speaker 1: don't know this coach is no one more than I do,

701
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 1: but we'll see. All right, let's real quick about Cooper Rush.

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Speaker 1: The last preseason game, you start him, start to finish, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think. I mean we've seen that before out of

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Speaker 1: figure out that they keep three or two. And this

706
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Speaker 1: is the time. I mean, I don't think Kellen Moore

707
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Speaker 1: is gonna have to show you anything else at that point.

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Speaker 1: He's not going to get to play with a lot

709
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Speaker 1: of guys. I want Cooper Rush to start the game,

710
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Speaker 1: run out of the tunnel, coin flip everything, be the guy.

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00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens. It's your, it's your. Rico gathers

712
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 1: theory like I don't, don't try to stash him, figure

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Speaker 1: out if he's worth keeping or not. And by the

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Speaker 1: time that game's over, you should know if he merits

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Speaker 1: a Russ and this is a pretty decent for fifth

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Speaker 1: I know it's a good three games to go, but

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Speaker 1: most people out here, their biggest triumph is to get

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Speaker 1: he had to deal with bigger obstacles than that once

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Speaker 1: Leon Lett has done. He was a very tough student

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Speaker 1: They both happened in a car and you know, he

847
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: and he he had to basically drive his father to

848
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: the hospital when he's fifteen years old, didn't know how

849
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: to drive. His dad is having a heart attack and

850
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: he's helping him drive at the same time, like you know,

851
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: hold it in the road, do this, do that, and

852
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: he's goes to there and gets there in time for

853
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,640
Speaker 1: him to take the you know, oxygen masks off and

854
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: said be strong for the family, Leon and he dies,

855
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: you know, and so he had to he had to

856
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: grow up right then, at fifteen years old, and then

857
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 1: fifteen years after that incident, with the Thanksgiving Day game

858
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: against the Dolphins, he was still dealing with it. He

859
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: had to get in the car drive and say, you

860
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: know what, I'm never letting this affect me ever again.

861
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: This is stupid. I'm not gonna it's not gonna bother me.

862
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: It's not gonna affect my life. Came back around boom.

863
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: He decides I'm gonna go back to school, I'm gonna

864
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get graduate, I'm gonna become a coach. And

865
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: now's with the Dallas Cowboys. Some pre remarkable story, really

866
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: pretter remarkable story. And again this Saturday, I think it's

867
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: at four pm, Yeah, four pm Central time, we will

868
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: be running Let It Ride. That will be again, it

869
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: will be everywhere. We'll have it on Facebook, on YouTube,

870
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: on Periscope, Dallas Cowboys, dotrim Cowboys Mobile. Friday, we'll have

871
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: a Facebook live interview with Leon himself and then Nick, Nick,

872
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: you're going to do the interview, correct, right? Yeah, So

873
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 1: we'll do a Facebook live on Friday, and hey, we're everywhere.

874
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 1: We'll talk to We'll talk to Leon and he'll he'll

875
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: kind of give a little bit of perspective on the

876
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: on the documentary and on his story again for you

877
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: guys to get ready for that document it's coming out

878
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 1: this uh this Saturday. I drove to Omaha this summer

879
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: to watch LSU's Ill Faded World Series bid and I

880
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: guess it's in which aitar emporious state in which, yeah,

881
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 1: it's it's in Kansas. I drove past it and I

882
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: just it would I mean to ninety nine percent of

883
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: people would mean Jack, like, what the hell's emporious state?

884
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: But I was just like, yeah, good for you, dude.

885
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: This is where you were and you made it to

886
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: the NFL. That's pretty cool. It's a little small school, right. Yeah.

887
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: One of my favorite interviews was from going down to

888
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: Miami to talk to Jimmy Johnson. I thought that that

889
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: was that was great. You know, he gave us a

890
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 1: lot of insight on his career and kind of what

891
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: happened with that Thanksgiving Day game and some some things

892
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: I didn't really realize. Did you make it out to

893
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: the boat. Now, we didn't go out to the boat,

894
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,479
Speaker 1: but we went to his restaurant, Jimmy Johnson's Big Chill,

895
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: Big Chill. That's what it's good food. It was good food. Yeah,

896
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 1: And he said, hey, get what you want and it's

897
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: on me. Guess when you're the owner, you can just

898
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: you can do that whatever you want. That's what that's

899
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,360
Speaker 1: what he does. You know. You see these documentaries and

900
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: stuff with the Johnson and that's what he'll do. You say, yeah,

901
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: I'll talk to anybody. You come down here, set up

902
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: right here at the restaurant and we'll do it. Yeah,

903
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: that's what anybody living the dream more than him think so.

904
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 1: The coaching legend, his his coaching record is impeccable. He

905
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: shows up on Sundays, he does work like two days

906
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: a week during football season, talking about football right and

907
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 1: having his opinion respected across the country by football fans.

908
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: And then the rest of the time he just chills

909
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: in South Florida. Like what a beast. You think he

910
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: gets in the Hall of Fame. I don't know the

911
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, Ring of honor, hall of fame. Give

912
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:23,919
Speaker 1: me both, Like, what do you you think he gets

913
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 1: in the Ring of honor? You think he gets in

914
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. I think he gets in the

915
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,919
Speaker 1: Ring of Honor. I don't know about the Hall of Fame,

916
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: although I would it's I would the same argument that

917
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: you make for Terrell Davis, I think you could make

918
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: for Jimmy Like it's a brief career. But I mean,

919
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: how do you tell the story of the NFL without

920
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: the nineties Cowboys? Right? And who built the night who

921
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:48,040
Speaker 1: helped build the nineties? Because you know what's I think

922
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: there are a lot of people that will probably say

923
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 1: that Tom Coughlin is a guy that belongs in the

924
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame at some point there will at least

925
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,839
Speaker 1: be an argument made for that. And he will have

926
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: two Super Bowl trophies, right, And yes, he coached for

927
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 1: a much long period of time, he did it with

928
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: two different teams. Now he's back with that that first team,

929
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: and and took that first team pretty far. I mean

930
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: they got to a championship game. Um, so there's there's

931
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: a little bit to that. But I do think that

932
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you still do judge

933
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: coaches a lot of times on championships, and his ability

934
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: to win two championships, even if it was in a

935
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: short period of time, to me, matters, yeahn't it Isn't

936
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: it just hard for coaches though, I mean, like other

937
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: than the Landry's and then I mean, like I guess,

938
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: I guess I knew this, but LT when he was

939
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: in trying. Marty Schottenheimer's not in the Hall of Fame,

940
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: and I think, like, probably not gonna make it in

941
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, which seems crazy, But didn't the

942
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: coach from the Buffalo Bills that lost four times in

943
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl? Isn't isn't he in the Pro Football

944
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame? I mean, if he can get in

945
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: with four losses, I would think two women John right,

946
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: I would think with two wins that should be enough.

947
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: And like you say, like, can you tell the story

948
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: of the NFL without this person? And I think, not

949
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: only was he a great coach even for a short period,

950
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: it's time that won two championships. His personality is big

951
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: enough because that's a part of You can't tell me

952
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: it's not a part of it. That's a part of it.

953
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: Was how about them Cowboys a thing? Before Jimmy Johnson,

954
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: I don't know was it. I don't think anybody was

955
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: screaming it until Jimmy Johnson. Yeah, I think I mean

956
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: Ring of Honor, yes, hall of Fame, sure, Yeah, I

957
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: think so. I think there's definitely a case to be

958
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: made there. They don't ask me, but they don't they

959
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:27,439
Speaker 1: don't ask any Maybe in ten us from now, there's

960
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: one per committee of one. Yeah, yep, all right, let's

961
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: let's get some questions. We got a couple more minutes here.

962
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: We got about seven minutes left on the show. You

963
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: can call us nine seven two four nine seven forty

964
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: four hundred is the number. Let's see if we've got

965
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: a question on Twitter, what do we have Amber? Do

966
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: you see Rod calling more blitz with this personal on defense? Um?

967
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: Not really, you hope not, because I mean blitz is

968
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 1: typically or for teams that can't get you know, generate

969
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: their own pass rush. So but probably he'll have to.

970
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: He'll he'll have to, uh in this case, because I

971
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: don't think that these whoever they put out there, you know,

972
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 1: especially until Irving comes back. If Irving comes back, I

973
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: think he'll help you with with that. But but yeah,

974
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna probably have to throw some blitz out there.

975
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: Stand pretty good at it. They got some corners who

976
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: can blitz, but I I don't see them. These the

977
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,120
Speaker 1: linebackers I got, I mean they do, I know they do,

978
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: but like it's not a staple of this defense, and

979
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: I think he would prefer not to unless it's desperate.

980
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: I think Damien Wilson has the traits for a guy

981
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: that could do that. I agree, you know, what are

982
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: we gonna miss? What are we gonna miss the most

983
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 1: about camping ox Snart? The weather? That was easy, chinks,

984
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 1: that's honestly the only thing. You don't agree. I don't.

985
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: I don't like the cold. I don't in the mornings

986
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: and when it's you're only you're the only person out

987
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 1: here without sleeves, like eight is not cold. Much from them,

988
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: and it can Republic exactly. It's like freezing out here.

989
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: Not at this moment, but yeah, not at this moment.

990
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: Every morning, I'm not going to miss anything else. I

991
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: hate the Pacific time zone, sorry West Coasters. I hate

992
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: eating the same thing and going through the same thirteen

993
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: hour routine every day. I hate living in a hotel room.

994
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 1: But I sure do like the weather. Yes, the weather

995
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 1: is are very very nice, and of course days now runners,

996
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 1: so that definitely helps. I'm dreading my first run in Texas.

997
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 1: It's gonna be very bad. We'll be hard, Okay, next

998
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 1: question answer, I don't know. Moving on, Moving on this

999
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: is a question. Huh, Jordan Lewis make the fifty three

1000
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: of ving though he hasn't shown he hasn't been active.

1001
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: There's no way he doesn't. Yeah, underdraft pay, there's no

1002
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: way he doesn't make the same. He may not be active,

1003
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: Um very often. I mean he spend some time on

1004
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 1: the baseball brigade. Yeah, I don't think I think he'll

1005
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: be an active first week. Sure, he asked to me.

1006
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: So let's let's finish the show with this final question. UM,

1007
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 1: giving me an MVP of training camp for you? Um,

1008
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:13,920
Speaker 1: we kind of do this. This is going to kind

1009
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 1: of become a bit of a of a tradition that

1010
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: we do at the end of training camp. But give

1011
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: me who has been your MVP of training camp so

1012
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: far in twenty and seventeen. Well, I'll start it, and

1013
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't think it's a really a cop out.

1014
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm staring at I think the best

1015
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: player that at camp here probably is Zach Martin President.

1016
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 1: I really think that he has been. I don't think

1017
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: he can't just say that because he's right there in

1018
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: front of you here, he can't hear me, and he's

1019
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 1: focused us. But he's not the MVP. He's not the MVP.

1020
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,439
Speaker 1: He's just he's a he's a really good player, Dak

1021
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: Prescott is to me, And you know what, that's fine,

1022
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: that's not a cop out. He has been the most

1023
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: valuable player on it. He come, he's come here every day,

1024
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: He's practiced well. He's had a couple of moments here

1025
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: and there, but this is the time to have those

1026
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: interceptions and all that. But for the most part, I

1027
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: think he's he's shown improvement in this game, and he

1028
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: is the leader. He is the star and he's gonna

1029
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: need to shine even brighter now with with Zeke down.

1030
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: Let me let me change this just about I want

1031
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 1: to make sure we're clear. I said MVP. What I'm

1032
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: really talking about, who's been the best player, who's played

1033
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: the best out here. And I don't know if that

1034
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 1: changed your answer or nothing. Okay, Zach Martin has played

1035
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: the best. He doesn't get beat very much. Even when

1036
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: Malik gives him a goal, gives him a go, That's

1037
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, gives him a go. That's that's good. Yeah,

1038
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: But he's been he's been here. I agree the MVP.

1039
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: I would agree that it's dak best training camp overall,

1040
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: like from day one to the end. See, this is

1041
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: why I don't you know this, Like we talked about,

1042
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: I don't grade with the curve. I mean, I just

1043
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 1: look at Zach Martin d I expect him. Yeah it

1044
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: has he been there yet, but I mean, I know

1045
00:50:56,640 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: fifty five probably gonna factor into this. That's mine. Yeah,

1046
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: and he should be. He's been good well. Stephen Pie,

1047
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: I think is to me, has been the clear best

1048
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: player out here because I think it's been consistent. That's

1049
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: the thing about it is up until the point where

1050
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: his knife flared up at the end of last week,

1051
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: which has affected his ability to practice this week, it's

1052
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 1: pretty much every day in practice I'm seeing him do something.

1053
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: It wasn't like you know, some guys you talked about

1054
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Speaker 1: Chittabey Uh he started off hot and then he kind

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Speaker 1: of you didn't really hear a lot from him. And

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Speaker 1: there been a lot of guys that kind of at

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Speaker 1: different moments during camp kind of camp and that's perfect

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Speaker 1: and that doesn't mean they're not gonna be a good

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Speaker 1: player for the season, just means it kind of ebbs

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Speaker 1: and flows. I think Stephen Pie has been the most

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Speaker 1: consistently good player out here on the field throughout the

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Speaker 1: entire four weeks. And that's why I would say he's

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Speaker 1: been the best player. I'm gonna I'm just gonna disobey

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Speaker 1: your rule. Um, it's kind of the same thing as Dak,

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Speaker 1: but Tyron Smith is like, he's so good when he's

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Speaker 1: on it's I mean, you just get he just was

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Speaker 1: gonna pick he and that's all I think. And we

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Speaker 1: argued about this on like day one. I think he's

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Speaker 1: pound for pound the best player on the team, and

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Speaker 1: the one time we're like, we're like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: DeMarcus beat him inside. That's not like him. And then

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Speaker 1: the next day he sits out because his back hurts,

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Speaker 1: and now they're managing him. He hasn't been practicing. He's

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Speaker 1: looked good these last two days. If he if he

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Speaker 1: can't go, I think even more so than Zeke, it

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Speaker 1: changes the outlook of the entire season. And when he's

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Speaker 1: out there, he's nasty and unbeatable and great. And if

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Speaker 1: he's not out there, it's probably because he's dealing with

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Speaker 1: his back. Outside of the quarterback, there is no other

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Speaker 1: position on this team where you lose a player, and

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Speaker 1: it more affects this team than Tyren Smith in a

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Speaker 1: way exactly, which is I'm I say he's the MVP

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Speaker 1: in terms of when he has been practicing, he's been great,

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Speaker 1: and when he doesn't practice, you can tell how screwed

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Speaker 1: they would be without of it. The delta between him

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Speaker 1: and the next guy is huge. It's not good, it's huge. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And even with his back injury, like you said, even

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Speaker 1: with dealing with that pain, when he has been out there,

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Speaker 1: he's still better than everyone else. So let at seventy

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Speaker 1: five percent, he's better than every defensive lineman on this

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Speaker 1: team and probably most defensive lineman in the league. So

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Speaker 1: you know, he's also I think could could factor in

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Speaker 1: here is Orlando Scandrick. I think Scandrick has had a

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Speaker 1: pretty good, brilliant Yeah, because we haven't talked a lot

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Speaker 1: about him throughout camp, I don't feel like, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: before camp, we did top twenty questions and I said

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Speaker 1: he would be the MVP of camp, and so I

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Speaker 1: kind of want he has had a he has had

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Speaker 1: a good camp that I talked to him to him

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Speaker 1: the other day about his whole veteran program and he

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Speaker 1: was like, it makes a world of difference that they're

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Speaker 1: giving me that time off, and I feel awesome. Even

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Speaker 1: this was like two days ago at the tail end

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Speaker 1: of camp. And that's great because he and he, I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's beating Beasley out here on the one on ones.

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Speaker 1: He's gotten a couple of picks. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: the deck is stacked against you as a defender in

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Speaker 1: training camp practices anyway, because you can't tackle, and it's

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Speaker 1: geared toward the offense. And maybe not MVP, but I

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Speaker 1: think he's been good. He's got a different position and

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Speaker 1: a different um. You know, obviously he's got he plays

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Speaker 1: a different position, different type of injury. But look at

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Speaker 1: what Jalen Smith is doing now. The fact that the

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Speaker 1: Scandred got hurt last year. He came back, but he

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Speaker 1: wasn't himself this year year or two of the injury.

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Speaker 1: He's ready to go. That's what the Cowboys are hoping

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Speaker 1: with Jaylen Smith. He's gonna play this week. We talked

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Speaker 1: about it earlier on He's gonna play Saturday. But they're

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Speaker 1: hoping this year, get through the year, get better by

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Speaker 1: next year. Ready to go. That's a rap for our show.

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Speaker 1: That's a rap for Camp First We'll be back on

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Speaker 1: the air on Monday. We'll tell you what went write

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Speaker 1: and what went wrong for the Cowboys fright when they

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Speaker 1: play the Colts. Till then. For Nick Eatman, Ambergarcia, Dave Hellman,

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