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Speaker 1: Welcome to our classic episode. Fellow conspiracy realist. Guys, have

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Speaker 1: you ever looked at a giant and thought this would

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Speaker 1: be way cooler if it was ancient and Chinese?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, actually very much so. I'm over here looking at

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Speaker 2: giants all the time, Ben, and when I do, that

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Speaker 2: is my first thought every time.

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Speaker 1: This is a wild one. So like so many other

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Speaker 1: regions in the world, China has its own deep folklore,

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Speaker 1: and we see that throughout cultures. Humans love to tell

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Speaker 1: stories about giants. We don't know why this is so common,

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Speaker 1: but it turns out that if you look into Chinese history,

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Speaker 1: this story gets really weird really quickly. We love things

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Speaker 1: that get really weird really quickly, and we think you

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Speaker 1: will too join us.

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Speaker 2: Yes, who are those creatures from Prometheus? The Engineers?

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Speaker 1: Or yeah, of Baldy's those were giants.

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Speaker 2: I hope you talk about them in this episode of

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Speaker 2: The Fingers Christ.

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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies, history is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt

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Speaker 2: Noel is on an adventure.

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Speaker 1: But we'll be returning soon, they called me Ben. We

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Speaker 1: were joined as always with our super producer Paul Mission

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Speaker 1: Control decad. Most importantly, you are you, You are here,

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Speaker 1: and that makes this stuff they don't want you to

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Speaker 1: know before we dive in to today's show, which is

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Speaker 1: it's pretty interesting actually one of those mysteries that we

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Speaker 1: do have an answer for. We want to give you

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Speaker 1: a quick update on some stuff we learned about COVID nineteen,

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Speaker 1: the novel coronavirus, which is currently sweeping the globe at

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Speaker 1: a pace comparable to K pop but much more deadly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. And many of you know we are

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Speaker 2: in Atlanta, Georgia where we record this, and this is

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Speaker 2: one of the places, specifically Fulton County, one of the

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Speaker 2: it is experiencing a bit of an outbreak, including within

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Speaker 2: the public school system.

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Speaker 1: Right as we were walking in to record today this,

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Speaker 1: systems are closing for now just to sanitize the area.

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Speaker 1: That's the official line. No one knows how long they'll

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Speaker 1: be closed for, but they're doing so because an employee

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Speaker 1: was recently confirmed to have coronavirus. At this point, the

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Speaker 1: US still lags behind other countries in terms of testing

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Speaker 1: in You know, many people, including vice reporter and myself

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Speaker 1: have been surprised going back through US customs to find

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Speaker 1: fourteen day quarantines, which probably still isn't long enough. So

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Speaker 1: we want to hear from you what's happening COVID wise

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Speaker 2: And I don't want to, you know, tell anyone's business here,

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Speaker 2: but mission control. Weren't you about to head over to Italy?

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Speaker 2: Are you still going? Okay? No, he is not okay.

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Speaker 2: That makes me feel a little safer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well Italy is. Actually they're also their death tolls.

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Speaker 2: I would let's go that route every time.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, and you know, Matt, I'm not gonna name names,

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Speaker 1: but there were a couple of people who, yet again

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Speaker 1: implied that I was being paranoid or overthinking it. Just

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Speaker 1: But that's just what I do when I get a

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Speaker 2: Dude, if anyone throws shade at your bug out bag,

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Speaker 2: no matter who you are out there or within this room,

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Speaker 1: See I'm not you know what though, I'm like very uh,

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Speaker 1: I'm very boy scout about it. Yeah, my bug out

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Speaker 2: That's not crazy at all. That's my entire trunk space

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Speaker 1: That's great? Yeah. Yeah. As a matter of fact, I

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Speaker 1: but you know, we'd like to also hear what what

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Speaker 1: you're doing in reaction to this in your neck of

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Speaker 1: the Global Woods. Do you feel like this is alarmism?

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like people are not making a big

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Speaker 2: You know. I did not apply antibacterial before coming into

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Speaker 1: Though I did. Yeah you did, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh boy,

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Speaker 1: it's always sunny in Philadelphia. Yeah, slapped it on. The

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as long as you didn't climb into a leather couch,

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, yeah, yeah, not not quarantine yet.

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Speaker 2: I swear. There's the last thing we were having this

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Speaker 2: internal discussion here just about these microphone covers that Ben

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Speaker 1: So I will note, Matt, since our fellow listeners can't

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Speaker 2: And are you guys okay with me sounding like this

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Speaker 2: the whole episode? What do you think is that bad

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Speaker 2: for Is that bad for business? Paul? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So before the world burns down, and

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Speaker 1: while while we're waiting for your questions, you're probably saying, Okay,

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Speaker 1: more about what's in your trunk, Matt. Whatever you say,

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Speaker 1: you're probably thinking, how do I how do I communicate

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Speaker 1: with you guys directly? Well, you can find us and

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Speaker 1: a number of places where we're just the internet is

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Speaker 1: riddled with us. One thing that we've started to do

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Speaker 1: is to give some Twitter shout outs, because Twitter is,

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Speaker 1: you know, at its worst, it is a cesspool of misinformation,

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Speaker 1: and at its best it can help you get around

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Speaker 1: things like state censorship or mainstream media censorship. It's an

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Speaker 1: invaluable It's like fire, it's an invaluable tool for the

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Speaker 1: villains and the heroes. That's right throughout mythology, which will

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Speaker 2: That's it, right.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know, Matt, you gotta you gotta Twitter

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Speaker 2: I do. I want to give a big shout out

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Speaker 2: to Jeff, who made a video message and sent to

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Speaker 1: Jeff. No spoilers, huh, no spoilers. Or you can see

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Speaker 1: what Jeff's talking about on Twitter, right, Yes, you can

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Speaker 1: if you follow us at conspiracy Stuff spelled like it

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Speaker 1: that you all covered the Jeff Davis eight on your

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Speaker 1: last episode. One point of contention, Frankie Rechard's name is

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Speaker 1: pronounced Rechard, not Richard. It's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: today's episode. This is this is a weird one. That's

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Speaker 1: A new thing let's let's hope we stick around. Oh

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Speaker 1: It's funnier and there language all right, But you're right, Matt, humanity,

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Speaker 1: let's look back while we can. The more we learn

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Speaker 1: We know still that the general pattern of human migration

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Speaker 1: the early mixtapes of what would become humanity. Things like Neanderthals,

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Speaker 1: and going to your earlier appointment about photoshop, one mundane

434
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 1: explanation for giants in general is unethical reporting from muckbreaking

435
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: newspapers and other media going back a long time and

436
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: also going forward a long time, pretty recently here in

437
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Speaker 1: the United States. You know, you've probably heard tell as

438
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: we would say in Tennessee, even if you're not from

439
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: the US, you've heard stories about the late nineteenth century

440
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: and early twentieth century discoveries, you know, the eighteen hundreds discoveries,

441
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 1: where there would be a reporter with a breathless claim

442
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 1: that somewhere out there in the in the lawless lands

443
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: that were not quite states, someone had found bizarre, huge skeletons.

444
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: They're tied into the myth of the American West, right,

445
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 1: the pre European existence. So far, none of those claims

446
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: have been proven. If you're talking about like a twenty

447
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 1: foot tall giant, right.

448
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again you've probably seen those images. Again, they're convincing,

449
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 2: but faked. And well, here's the other thing we noticed

450
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 2: when we were talking about this previously on these episodes.

451
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 2: There's there are a ton of people out there who

452
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 2: believe the storyline that someone somewhere, either at the Smithsonian

453
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: or the Natural History Museum or some other organization.

454
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Speaker 1: The Vatican, I mean, just roll out the red carpet.

455
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that these bones were recovered, these these ancient

456
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 2: remains were recovered and sent off to one of these institutions,

457
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Speaker 2: and then that institution is then hiding it from the public.

458
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Speaker 1: Right right. And the big question there would be motive.

459
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: What why would they do that? Even even if it

460
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Speaker 1: were plausible for that to happen, and it's it's possible,

461
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: I guess technically it's possible, but again then there's a

462
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,959
Speaker 1: big leap from possible the plausible. So why would they

463
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: do it? That's that's the piece of the puzzle that

464
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 1: we have to we have to solve if we want

465
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Speaker 1: to engage with that.

466
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 2: That theory, and what you'll hear is that it's to

467
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 2: hide the true nature of humanity.

468
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Speaker 1: Right right. And this ties in a little bit with

469
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Speaker 1: some some cryptozoologists will argue something like that, right, but

470
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Speaker 1: not on air, Huh, what do you mean? But not

471
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: on air anyhow? Anyhow, so, and we'll get back to

472
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: that later on in today's show. Just to hold it

473
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Speaker 1: in your head bracket, I mean, don't tattoo yourself with that,

474
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: but you know, remember it for the next few minutes.

475
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: So we know, with the notable exception of the cit Techa,

476
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: a lot of those things turn out to be legends

477
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: or hoaxes. And then of course there is the third,

478
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: the third common cause that we have found, and it's

479
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: a personal one for a lot of people. And therefore

480
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: it being a personal one is something that I it's

481
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Speaker 1: personal in a way that I don't think other people

482
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: should intrude upon, by which I mean some accounts of

483
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: giants come from ancient religious sources or text and this

484
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: can lead modern adherents of these sources or text or

485
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: belief systems to accept those stories because they're part of

486
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Speaker 1: the faith system or the belief system that they have.

487
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: You know, especially when you get to people who have

488
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: literal interpretations of things rather than metaphorical or figurative, this

489
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: means that in order to practice their belief system, they

490
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: have to believe everything that is involved. Right, one example

491
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: of having to accept everything, all part and parcel of

492
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Speaker 1: a belief system would be something like the belief in

493
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Speaker 1: Jin for many people who consider themselves, you know, astute

494
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: and committed followers of the belief system with Jen, like

495
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: of Islam, there are people will say, well, you have

496
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: to believe in Jin because it's in the Qur'an. You know,

497
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: it's the and by far, one of the coolest period

498
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: in my opinion, appearances in the Qoran. You know, these

499
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Speaker 1: creatures of smokeless fire, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, dude, it's incredible.

501
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: And you have a podcast or you have a you've

502
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: been involved with a podcast about that, right.

503
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 2: You almost set it up perfectly because it's a show

504
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 2: all about Jin. And I think people will be very

505
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 2: surprised by this show. And it's not out yet been,

506
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: but it will be out at some point this year.

507
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: Ah Okay, that's what I'm what shows. I'm personally very

508
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: excited for me too. So so there we have it.

509
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: And additionally, when we encounter the world of faith and religion,

510
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: there could be a situation in which giants are ascribed

511
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: some sort of supernatural power, whether just because of their

512
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: descent from a divine or otherwise supernatural being, or because

513
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: it's just part of the other thing that makes them

514
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: not quite human, right, And if they're supernatural, then that

515
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: means logically the natural rules don't apply to them. So

516
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: why would you try to codify these things in human terms? Right?

517
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: If they are agents of the infernal or agents of

518
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: the divine. So there you have. Those are three reasons

519
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: we've We've done several episodes in this We've found three

520
00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,479
Speaker 1: reasons misidentification, purposeful hoaxes, religious counts.

521
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: We didn't even bring up Nephelin.

522
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: But we didn't not yet. Yeah, okay, and we talked

523
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: about that in an earlier episode. So that this may

524
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: leave a lot of us and our fellow listeners going bummer.

525
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: So all these giant myths are bogus.

526
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 2: I'm turning this episode off.

527
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: The big secret, the giant secret about giants is it's

528
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: a giant hoax. You guys are terrible.

529
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 2: Everything is terrible. I'm gonna throw my phone. I'm gonna

530
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: place it on the ground and just be upset about

531
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 2: it and wait for the COVID.

532
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh god, don't worry. We didn't say that yet.

533
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: We did not say that these are all focus What

534
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: are we talking about. I'll tell you after a word

535
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Speaker 1: from our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy.

536
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: Well, guess what we've got breaking news for you. It

537
00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: appears that there are ancient giants, at least in China.

538
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: Right, it's crazy. We see breaking news. Mean back in

539
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: July twenty seventeen, and we spent some time tracing now

540
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: this story, we could verify this story. We'll get into

541
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: it anyway. July twenty seventeen, not too long ago, right,

542
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: the story came to us from China's Sinoat News agency

543
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: and they reported that these archaeologists had discovered the remains

544
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Speaker 1: of a five thousand year old community in eastern China,

545
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: and the members of this community. We have the bones,

546
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: we have the proof. It didn't disappear. The Smithsonian doesn't

547
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: have it yet or whatever. These people appeared to be giants, giants.

548
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 2: They were described as giants.

549
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: They were described as giants giants.

550
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 2: Yes, So we look to Fenghui, who is the head

551
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 2: of the Shendong University School of History and Culture. And

552
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: if you look through the reporting we talk about tracing

553
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: this story because you will find it in like thirty

554
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 2: different publications English written publications. That's pretty much the same

555
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 2: story just kind of copied.

556
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: Over, right. So we went to the we went to

557
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 1: the primary sources.

558
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, we got to the original one. So Fengui

559
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 2: describes how since twenty sixteen, the group of archaeologists have

560
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 2: been excavating the ruins of one hundred and four houses,

561
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: two hundred and five graves, and twenty sacrificial pits in

562
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 2: this village. That been I'm gonna let you pronounce.

563
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: I'll you at least I'll butcher it. No, no, I

564
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: don't know the tones, uh Jaudia, I don't know.

565
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 2: That's way better than what I would say jaojia.

566
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: A Mandarin speakers are going to punt shots and right Liso,

567
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: let us know how to pronounce it. You can find

568
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: us on Twitter.

569
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Speaker 2: And I would say jiang Qui or jeng jeong Qi,

570
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 2: Jeongong Shu jeong Hu district.

571
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's uh near the capital of Shandong. These

572
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: relics are from something a Neolithic era in a community

573
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Speaker 1: called the long Shan culture, and it's it's in the

574
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 1: middle kind of lower reaches of the Yellow River. And

575
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: they named the culture after a nearby mountain, Mountain Longshan.

576
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: This area, as far as we can tell, was a

577
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: cultural powerhouse. It was a center of politics, economy, and

578
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: of course politics and economy closely related with religions at

579
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: this time, arguably still today closely related with religions. So

580
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: they also found ruins of ditches, clay, embankments, they found

581
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: tons of accoutrement and you know, a status symbols, jade pottery,

582
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: all the hits, all the hits. And since this was

583
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Speaker 1: a cultural center, these people here again described as giants,

584
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: lived pretty well. They had separate bedrooms and kitchens. We

585
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: know that they had a solid diet too, pretty consistently,

586
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: which was super important to this story.

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00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're eating millet their primary grain. There, they're also

588
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 2: eating some pork, some pigs some cases, there are also

589
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 2: these giant graves where pig bones and pig teeth were found.

590
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 2: And let's talk just quickly about the archaeologists and this

591
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 2: job and putting together you know, the ideas here, like, oh,

592
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 2: the ruins that we found are definitely places houses that

593
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: had separate bedrooms, and we know that because of the

594
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: way they were set up. That's a that to me

595
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: is almost magic, being able to see with a lens

596
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 2: like understand having such a deep understanding of the history

597
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 2: of archaeology, the history of humanity, to be able to

598
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: look at something like that and figure that stuff out

599
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 2: and put to other of those pieces of Oh, there's

600
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: millet in this layer of the soil where all of

601
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 2: this other stuff is preserved. There's a lot of millet here,

602
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 2: and there's all these pig bones, like we could kind.

603
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 1: Of see what these people live like, right right, And

604
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: a lot of work goes into a very difficult process. Yeah,

605
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: at the end of this episode, I am going to

606
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: make maybe a somewhat controversial argument, maybe a thought experiment,

607
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: but Okay, archaeologists are working diligently around the world and

608
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: around the clock, and they are discovering things and having

609
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 1: to prove them. You know, seven ways to sundown, six

610
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: ways to Sunday, whatever you want to say. So this

611
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: discovery is amazing for these archaeologists. There's a mother load,

612
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 1: there's a watershed moment. It fills in what has been

613
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: described as a cultural blank from about four thousand, five

614
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: hundred to five thousand years ago, so for about five

615
00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 1: hundred years there are these giants, at least five hundred

616
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: years and you know, the math gets sketchy and fuzzy

617
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: the further back now here is the part most of

618
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: us have been waiting for the big question the geniotherium

619
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: gigantium in the room. If you will, just how big

620
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: were these people? I mean, Matt, if we genuinely do

621
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 1: have physical evidence of real life giants, what exactly do

622
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: we mean when we say giant?

623
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: Oh buddy, let me tell you. Are you ready for this?

624
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: Let me scoot to the edge.

625
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, see all right, hold on, hold on to something.

626
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: Okay, here it goes.

627
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 2: They were between one point eight meters and two meters tall.

628
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: So can you America that for me real quick?

629
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 2: Sure? Let's see one meter is around three feet yeah, okay,

630
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: so that would be five nine ish five eleven to

631
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Speaker 2: six two six six if we're reaching.

632
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Speaker 1: Sixty six on the out, yeah, on the outside. Right? Yeah?

633
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: Oh man, Well that's a that's a little bit of

634
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: a letdown. Have we have we taken our fellow conspiracy

635
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: realist and a bit of a shaggy dog story?

636
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, dogs are great.

637
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: Yes, the answer is yes. They found that that height

638
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: is weird. We'll get to it. Taller men were found

639
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: buried in larger graves, and this could be due to

640
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 1: them having a higher status socio politically. It could also

641
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 1: be due to them having access to better food. We

642
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: know there was a lot of inviting. They're sacrificial pits.

643
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: There are people who have clearly died by violence in

644
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: such a violent way that you can tell just by

645
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: looking at their bones. You don't even need the rest

646
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: of the body someone someone mopped them in an aggressively

647
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: brutal way. So this height is noteworthy at the higher

648
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: end in most parts of the world. Right in our

649
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: previous episode, we said, you know, the shortest average height

650
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: will tend to be women in the Philippines' tallest average

651
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: height is going to tend to be males in certain

652
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: European Northern European countries. Still, for most people, if you

653
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: see someone who's six feet six inches tall, you're going

654
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: to think, well, that's noteworthy. But that's not the tallest

655
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: person I've ever heard of, and it's probably not even

656
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: the tallest person I've ever seen, especially if I have

657
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: a television, like just to kick the stats today, the

658
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 1: average height of a professional basketball player in the United

659
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: States is six feet seven inches tall. Yeah, the average

660
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: male is five feet nine inches tall, which is still

661
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: kind of in the lower end of where this community

662
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 1: of giants was discovered.

663
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I mean I'm walking out at slightly above

664
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: that average height, and I feel like I'm shorter than

665
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 2: most people. So you know, that's just how how it goes.

666
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: But here's the big question, really is, well, what gives

667
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:10,440
Speaker 2: is there some kind of comparison to the surrounding population

668
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 2: or the people of the time where I mean, it's like,

669
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 2: it's tough because we don't have a lot of information

670
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 2: to go on. We're talking about filling in really a

671
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:23,800
Speaker 2: timehole here, right, a cultural timehole, So you don't have

672
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: a ton of people to others to compare.

673
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: This to, right, So how do we explain this characterization

674
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: of ancient giants? Here's the thing. The people in the

675
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: surrounding communities were actually shorter. So while these mysterious giants

676
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 1: might seem kind of unremarkable today, make no mistake that

677
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: were towering over their contemporaries in adjacent communities. If you

678
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: saw a bunch of these folks running at you in

679
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 1: your village, in your you know, your area, you would

680
00:41:55,600 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: freak out because they were huge, and you know, hopefully

681
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 1: they're in a good mood.

682
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the assumption there as well, they must be

683
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 2: stronger than me they at least have probably more weight

684
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: on me, and.

685
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 1: You definitely reach yeah oh boxing rules, Well.

686
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, with a weapon or whatever you're

687
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 2: dealing with at that time. And here's the thing. We

688
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 2: don't have extremely great numbers on the average height of

689
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 2: the people in surrounding communities, but we do know the

690
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: average height of Europeans at the same time, and that

691
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,720
Speaker 2: is around five feet five inches or one point sixty

692
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: seven meters. So that's a full that would be a

693
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 2: full foot a foot an inch above if you're talking

694
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: about the six to six individual there.

695
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:48,919
Speaker 1: So the people in this culture, in this community were

696
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: on average going to be much taller. So we can

697
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: also take the example of Confucius, perhaps one of the

698
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:06,399
Speaker 1: most famou proven factual historical figures from this region. Confucius

699
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: was around five point fifty one to four seventy nine BCE.

700
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: He was described anywhere from about one point nine meters tall,

701
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 1: which is, you know, six inch feet tall, right to

702
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: other accounts that have had him nine feet and six

703
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: inches tall.

704
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, we we have an excerpt from a book called Confucius,

705
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: His Life and Thought, and in here we're we're just

706
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 2: gonna describe the I'm just gonna give you a quote here,

707
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 2: and it says, according to the historical records, Confucius was

708
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 2: nine feet six inches tall, a height which seems to

709
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 2: have been regarded as quite unusual.

710
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 1: The measures.

711
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 2: The measures of length of the Han dynasty were shorter

712
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 2: than those now in use. The height of a normal

713
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 2: adult was about seven feet, out of a tall person

714
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 2: eight feet. Thus a height of nine feet six inches

715
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 2: indicated something of a giant, and that certainly would. But

716
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 2: if you know, if you changed it over, I guess

717
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 2: you'd be reducing by about two feet there.

718
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: So then we have another issue with classification. We can't

719
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: just accept the assumption that what we call a foot

720
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: meant the same thing right the same way we can't

721
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 1: really accept what a giant was. So while these people

722
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: would certainly have been intimidating, they were not, as far

723
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: as we know, ten feet tall in the way that

724
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: we today understand feet. That's gonna sound so weird out

725
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: of context, we today in the way that we today

726
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: understand feet. Hashtag no Tarantino or whatever that that creepy

727
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: guy from all the Nickelodeon shows. Do you know what

728
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: I'm talking about?

729
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 2: Creepy guy from all the Nickelodeon shows.

730
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: There is a long standing series of frankly troubling rumors

731
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: about a very successful showrunner for Nickelodeon named Dan Schneider,

732
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: and the allegations are that he has a weird foot

733
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: thing that makes its way onto the air. I have

734
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: heard about that, and these are you know, these are

735
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 1: child actors. Oh, I haven't done a lot of digging

736
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: into this. I don't I don't know, man, I don't know.

737
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: I haven't done digging into this. Then, of course, you

738
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: know this difference between the court of public opinion and

739
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: in that rumor and then an actual court or investigation.

740
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: But well, we'll look at we'll look into it. Uh,

741
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: let's get back to the way more comfortable version of feat.

742
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: We're talking right here. You Yeah, So there's one other

743
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: questions when we don't have a definitive answer to what

744
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: made these people so tall?

745
00:45:59,080 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 2: Right?

746
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: Why were they literally head and shoulders over the adjacent communities. Right.

747
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: Researchers theorized that at least the men in the community

748
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: grew to these comparatively soaring heights because they were high

749
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: status individuals who had access to better food than most

750
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: of their contemporaries. If you want to see a real

751
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: life version of this at play now while you are alive.

752
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: Check out the height comparisons between people born on the

753
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 1: Korean Peninsula before. Maybe like some of the eighties babies

754
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: who would have been developing during the famines of the

755
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: nineties of the nineteen nineties, they have because of malnutrition.

756
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 1: This population that is genetically homogeneous, has discernible, easily visible

757
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: differences in average height. Wow. So maybe it was just

758
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: maybe it was the food. We know that the nature

759
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,720
Speaker 1: of the burials suggests that these people, these occupants, these giants,

760
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: were wealthy. And then it also suggests that there was

761
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 1: some grave robbery, grave cases of grave robbery, because pottery

762
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 1: and artifacts have been found within the tombs were sometimes

763
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: not even not even stolen, just deliberately broken. Someone came

764
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,240
Speaker 1: in and just smashed it. So there is a story

765
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: there that's as of yet unwritten.

766
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 2: Maybe as a revolt of some kind.

767
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, again like this ci te kai.

768
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 3: You know.

769
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: So this is one of the weirdest parts about this.

770
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: These giants are still around sort of. The people living

771
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: in Shandong now still consider their height to be a

772
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: defining attribute of their region and their communities, and Weirdly enough,

773
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: this belief appears to be true. It appears to be confirmed.

774
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, in twenty fifteen, the average height of men aged

775
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 2: eighteen in Shandong was one point seven to five to

776
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 2: three meters or around five eight five seven something like that. Yeah, yeah,

777
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 2: with the natural national average of around one point seven

778
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 2: to two meters. So again, it's like it's like there

779
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 2: were real giants, but we just kind of explained away,

780
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 2: like any kind of supernatural reasoning behind.

781
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 1: Them, right, we don't have we don't have a solid

782
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: again one hundred percent proof. It's very difficult to try

783
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: to guesstimate those causes five thousand years ago. But it

784
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: does appear there were real giants. It's just, you know,

785
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 1: as he said, a giant back then wasn't the same

786
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: thing like usually, and we can't speak for everyone usually nowadays,

787
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 1: anything a giant, it's we're like ten feet as a

788
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: minimum as minimum giant.

789
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's just I think that's just our version

790
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 2: of something that would be unbelievable for it to be

791
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 2: naturally occurring. Right, Just ten feet is so beyond what

792
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 2: we've observed that you just go, wow, Yeah, that's definitely

793
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 2: something else is going on here. That's just not some

794
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 2: kind of genetic combination that just happened to get ten feet.

795
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: We should also point out, yeah, really good point that

796
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: these people were healthy and normal. They did not seem

797
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: to be suffering from the genetic condition that affected Wadlow.

798
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:42,000
Speaker 1: They didn't suffer from gigantism. It reminds me of So

799
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: I was in the city of London a while back.

800
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: You remember this, and I saw the Tower of London. Yeah,

801
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: it fell nonplus and I had to remember it was

802
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: like at the time this was built, first towers were

803
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: much more difficult to con trucked and they wouldn't have there.

804
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: Of course, it wouldn't be as tall in comparison assay

805
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: London Bridge, or as tall as you know, multiple other

806
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: multiple other buildings in the area. Now you have to

807
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: put yourself back in that mindset. So back then, a tower,

808
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: it was like the Tower of London was. It's huge,

809
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: and I'm not denigrating it. It's an historically significant building.

810
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: It's just I don't know what I was expecting. You know,

811
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: as a kid, all I heard about was there was

812
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: a tower. There were ravens, there's special guards called beef eaters,

813
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: and get there, and you're like, well, okay, this isn't

814
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: This is a very very old building, especially for US Yankees.

815
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 1: And you know, towers were different, so it's kind of

816
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: the same thing. Giants were different in this part of

817
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:52,359
Speaker 1: the world.

818
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 2: I totally see it.

819
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 1: Unless, okay, here's the thing, Unless Matt, there really is

820
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 1: some sort of overarching generational conspiracy to repress evidence of

821
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 1: actual giants, in which case, the discovery of these suppressed

822
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: remains would be, without a doubt, one of the largest

823
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: expose a's in human history. Here's my okay, here's my

824
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,880
Speaker 1: all right. Oh yeah, Matt's crossing his ours because you

825
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: know you're about to get like a story, right, I'll

826
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 1: keep it short, but here's my argument. So we know,

827
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: we know that stuff disappears. I really appreciate your earlier

828
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 1: point about how difficult it is to find things, especially

829
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 1: organic matter, because Earth is alive, it's hungry, you know, like,

830
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: there're still there. Not only have we discovered in the

831
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: course of the show that there are genuine loss cities

832
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 1: and civilizations, but we we we also discovered that many

833
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: of those things are going to be lost to history,

834
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: especially in depending on the environment or biome, they're in

835
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: like if you if you have a lost civilization in

836
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: a jungle man jungles eat human things and they do

837
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: it very quickly.

838
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and all of the things that humans create, that's

839
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 2: really what you're saying. But yeah, yeah, it's not just

840
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: the human it's the all the stuff they put together,

841
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 2: and they thought, oh, this is gonna be great and

842
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 2: last forever. No no, no no.

843
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: So then it is again, it is possible that there

844
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: could have been an isolated population of even larger things

845
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: sent hominins of some sort. And maybe again there's a

846
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 1: lot of ifs here, and maybe let's say they were

847
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: in a very aggressive biome, like that they were in

848
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:46,439
Speaker 1: a jungle or something, and then they just the earth

849
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: ate them. Between the time that they expired and the

850
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 1: time our versions of people came along.

851
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 2: It is possible. And if you don't think it's possible,

852
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 2: talk to us, tell us why, because we really feel

853
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 2: like it's possible because of just the evidence we've seen

854
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 2: has been just outlined there in our research. That stuff happens,

855
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 2: that the the hungry nature of nature. It is very

856
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 2: very true. So let us know. Please find us. As

857
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 2: we mentioned earlier on Twitter, reach out to us we're

858
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 2: conspiracy stuff. We're also conspiracy stuff on Facebook. You can

859
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 2: find our Facebook group with some of the coolest human

860
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: beings out there on the Internet. Our group is called

861
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,560
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Speaker 2: You can talk about this episode or another episode, or

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Speaker 2: suggest a new episode, whatever you want to do. It

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Speaker 2: is your sandbox controlled by Facebook, ultimately, right, but it

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Speaker 2: is It's still cool.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So what if what if you're off the grid,

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Speaker 1: you know, and you don't want to you don't want

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Speaker 1: to mess around with Facebook. If you've you've evolved past

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Speaker 1: social media.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but you still have a flip phone. Well, we

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Speaker 2: have good news. We have a phone number one eight

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Speaker 2: three three st d w y t K. Give us

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Speaker 2: a call, leave us a message. Be like this person

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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, I just listened to your.

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Speaker 3: Staying on the census and you said something about how

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Speaker 3: many people it would take to count the homeless one day,

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Speaker 3: and I wanted to give you just a little bit

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Speaker 3: of an idea. I live in a city of about

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Speaker 3: twelve thousand, and it's the tourist town, so we have

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Speaker 3: oftentimes have a lot more people than that coming in.

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Speaker 3: But when we went to count the census, it was

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Speaker 3: all volunteers except for like maybe two people that were

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Speaker 3: actually getting paid for it, and the other everyone else's volunteers.

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Speaker 1: And there are about forty.

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Speaker 3: Of us for a city of twelve thousands. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: you do the math.

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Speaker 1: Hey, y'all get care. Thank you very much. Wow, first

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Speaker 1: time I didn't know how many people were volunteering.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's quite a bit to get forty people to

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Speaker 2: go out there and try and do the census. As

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Speaker 2: we've discussed, it is not the safest temporary position to have.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not all the time. No, thank you for thank

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Speaker 1: you for you're putting in your civic duty. And thank

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Speaker 1: you additionally to everybody who's written in with conversation about

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Speaker 1: the census. One thing that always I don't know about you, Matt,

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Speaker 1: but one thing that always impresses me about our fellow

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Speaker 1: listeners is that we have people who are even if

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Speaker 1: they disagree with each other online, they're walking through each

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Speaker 1: other's perspectives, you know what I mean. And that's that

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Speaker 1: kind of that kind of discourse is something that I

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Speaker 1: think I'm not saying we're great, but our listeners are

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Speaker 1: exercising the kind of discourse that I would like to

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Speaker 1: see happen in paid media pundits, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure?

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Speaker 1: Like maybe maybe if a story is big, if it's

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Speaker 1: a big story on the news, is a global event,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe push the commercial off. Maybe maybe

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Speaker 1: spend more than six minutes on it. Oh god, the

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Speaker 1: next headline. Old man shouts at the sky, shake's fist,

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Speaker 1: curses son. Well, that's that's our show. What do you think?

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Speaker 1: And if you if you have, if you have anything

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Speaker 1: on your mind, and you say okay, And I don't

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Speaker 1: want to use a phone, I don't want to use

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Speaker 1: social media, but I have something important to my fellow

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Speaker 1: listeners need to know that we have good news for you.

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