WEBVTT - A Silver Lining

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin. I want to bring you back to one of

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite moments in sporting history, one that provides an

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<v Speaker 1>important message about what you can do to be happier.

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<v Speaker 1>It's August fifth, twenty twelve, the London Olympics. As the

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<v Speaker 1>soundtrack to Chariots of Fire fills the stadium, Jimmys Mkaila Moroney,

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<v Speaker 1>wearing her team USA tracks, is waiting to accept an

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<v Speaker 1>Olympic medal. Finally her name is called, prompting a huge

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<v Speaker 1>cheer from the crowd. She waves, steps onto the podium

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<v Speaker 1>and takes a deep breath that she bows her head.

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<v Speaker 1>An official slips the metal over the ponytail, which holds

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<v Speaker 1>back her hair so fiercely that all her features seem

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<v Speaker 1>drawn upwards, all except her mouth, that is. Michaela is

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<v Speaker 1>doing her best to keep a straight face, but she's

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<v Speaker 1>barely suppressing a frown. Michaela shakes the official's hand and

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<v Speaker 1>mouths thank you over the crowd noise. Another official presents

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<v Speaker 1>the metalists with a bunch of flowers. A flicker of

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<v Speaker 1>a polite smile crosses Michaela's lips for just an instant,

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<v Speaker 1>and then fades, and then it happens the face for

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<v Speaker 1>just a second in front of thousands of spectators and

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<v Speaker 1>millions of TV viewers around the world. Michaela's mouth grimaces,

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<v Speaker 1>contorting sharply to the left. It's a look that somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>between annoyance and downright contempt. So why was Michaela scowling

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<v Speaker 1>in front of all her fans? It was because of

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<v Speaker 1>the metal around Michaela's neck. She just one the Olympic silver.

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<v Speaker 1>In subsequent interviews, Michaela was everything you'd expect from a

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<v Speaker 1>top ranking Olympian. She accepted that her unexpected fall in

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<v Speaker 1>the vault competition men she didn't deserve to take gold.

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<v Speaker 1>She asserted that she was happy with her runners up medal.

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<v Speaker 1>But on that podium in London, just for a second,

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<v Speaker 1>Michaela's face told another story. But here's an even bigger puzzle.

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<v Speaker 1>The Russian gymnast Maria Passeka was also on the podium

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<v Speaker 1>that day, and she did even worse. She only took

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<v Speaker 1>the bronze medal. But the weird thing is Maria looked

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<v Speaker 1>much much happier than Michaela did. So how can that be?

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<v Speaker 1>The answer? It turns out involves a very common cognitive bias,

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<v Speaker 1>one that doesn't only plague champion athletes. It's a bias

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<v Speaker 1>that plagues all of us, and it's one that's impeding

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<v Speaker 1>our happiness more than we expect. Our minds are constantly

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<v Speaker 1>telling us what to do to be happy. But what

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<v Speaker 1>if our minds are wrong? What if our minds are

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<v Speaker 1>lying to us, leading us away from what will really

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<v Speaker 1>make us happy. The good news is that understanding the

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<v Speaker 1>science of the mind and point us all back in

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<v Speaker 1>the right direction. You're listening to the Happiness Lab the

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Laurie Santavius. If you were asked to choose which

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<v Speaker 1>metal you'd want, gold, silver, or bronze, I'm pretty sure

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<v Speaker 1>I could predict your order of preference. Even in crude

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<v Speaker 1>monetary terms. The gold plated metal is more prized than

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<v Speaker 1>the silver, which in turn is more valuable than the

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<v Speaker 1>copper alloy one. But what if I were to ask

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<v Speaker 1>you to rank the metals in order of which you

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<v Speaker 1>think would bring you the greatest joy? Would you stick

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<v Speaker 1>with those choices? I bet you would, which is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the reasons everyone got so obsessed with Michael and

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<v Speaker 1>Moroney's scowl. How could you be so upset with a

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<v Speaker 1>silver medal within days of the ceremony. Michaela's second place

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<v Speaker 1>grimace became a popular meme. She was photoshopped into great

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<v Speaker 1>moments in human history, the moon landing, the fall of

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<v Speaker 1>the Berlin Wall, when Miley Cyrus cut her hair short.

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<v Speaker 1>In every event, Michaela is there, looking on and scowling.

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<v Speaker 1>Michaela is the mean reminded us is not impressed. Michaela

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<v Speaker 1>took her mumification with good grace, even when she was

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<v Speaker 1>asked to make the face in the Oval Office beside

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<v Speaker 1>President Barack Obama. She also did the rounds on late

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<v Speaker 1>night talk shows, fielding questions about the now infamous expression.

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<v Speaker 1>Here she is discussing the face with David Letterman. I

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<v Speaker 1>thought to myself, I know exactly what's going on here.

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<v Speaker 1>They've caught her at an introspective moment. She's probably not

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<v Speaker 1>pleased with her performance, would rather have done better, and

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<v Speaker 1>instead of silver, would rather gotten the gold. And who

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<v Speaker 1>can blabor? And they've caught her and just a contemplative moment,

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<v Speaker 1>and now they're making it silly? Am I right about that?

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<v Speaker 1>It is pretty funny? I see it again. Letterman is right.

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<v Speaker 1>Michaela was the hot favorite to take cold. Her fall

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<v Speaker 1>dashed those hopes and momentarily broke her heart. But it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out Michaela's silver metal reaction is really common. Hello.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Michelle quan Olympic figure skater. It's tough

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<v Speaker 1>to find Olympians willing to talk about the crushing instant

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<v Speaker 1>when the highest award in their sports slipped through their fingers.

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle Kwan, however, didn't hesitate for a single second when

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<v Speaker 1>I asked her to relive the memories of the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>upset in her glittering ice skating career, the nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 1>eight Winter Games. I kind of let the waterworks happen.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it was going to happen. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as your kid, yes, you dream of going to Olympics,

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<v Speaker 1>you dream of winning gold, and you don't think of

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<v Speaker 1>winning silver or bronze, and so it's a disappointment when

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<v Speaker 1>you have high hopes and you do everything to make

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<v Speaker 1>it happen. Just like MICHAELA, Michelle was predicted, no expected

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<v Speaker 1>to take the gold. I was one of the favorites

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<v Speaker 1>for sure going into those Olympics. Michelle's performance was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most anticipated of the day. She came to

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<v Speaker 1>the Nagano Olympics just having won the national championship, where

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<v Speaker 1>she earned an unprecedented six point zero, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>perfect score in figure skating at the time, and Michelle's

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<v Speaker 1>ninety eight Olympic performance did not disappoint. Wearing a sparkly

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<v Speaker 1>blue dress, she skated to a harp and string concerto.

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<v Speaker 1>The entire performance was flawless. I did perform both a

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<v Speaker 1>clean short program long program, meaning that I made no mistakes.

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle looked joyous when she left the ice. She even

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<v Speaker 1>smile led up at her dad, who was clapping furiously

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<v Speaker 1>in the stands. I was overwhelmed because I felt like

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<v Speaker 1>I did it. You know, I did it. I did

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<v Speaker 1>everything that I had planned. I did every single jump.

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<v Speaker 1>I did my job and what I set out to do,

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<v Speaker 1>and unfortunately, you know, it wasn't the best that night.

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle's teammate, fifteen year old Tara Lipinski, took to the

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<v Speaker 1>ice a little later. The alts were against her. No

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<v Speaker 1>one so young or inexperienced had ever won figure skating gold,

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<v Speaker 1>but Tara's long performance was stellar. She hit two triple

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<v Speaker 1>triple jump combos and the crowd went wild. It was

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<v Speaker 1>obvious that an upset was about to occur, and it

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<v Speaker 1>like really happened within minutes. I knew from the reaction

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<v Speaker 1>of just the applause that it's going to be close,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it was sort of nail biting. But when

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<v Speaker 1>the scores came out, I already knew Tara had taken

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<v Speaker 1>the gold, and just like that, Michelle was bumped to

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<v Speaker 1>second place. Her gold medal dreams dashed. You didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>really have a moment because then you're walking down the

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<v Speaker 1>hallway and then there's the press conference. It was just whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like I was ready to answer questions and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very candid and I'm very honest, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>I might have cried a little bit. And it's a

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<v Speaker 1>disappointment and it's very raw. I mean, it is, of

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<v Speaker 1>course a bit of a disappointment for an athlete not

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<v Speaker 1>to get the gold. But what both Michelle and michaela

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to be missing is the fact that they just

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<v Speaker 1>won silver medals at the Olympic Games. They've each just

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<v Speaker 1>proven that they're amongst the very best athletes in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>But Michelle and mckailla aren't the only ones to be disappointed.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, champion British rower Catherine granger like in getting

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<v Speaker 1>second place in Beijing to suffering a bereavement, and Canadian

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<v Speaker 1>hockey star Joscelyn the Rock was so upset with her

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<v Speaker 1>silver medal that she refused to wear it. Neither her coach,

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<v Speaker 1>nor her teammates, nor even the angry crowd chanting put

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<v Speaker 1>your metal on could change her mind. So what's going on? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out all of these incredible competitors are in

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<v Speaker 1>the throws of a rather common psychological error. We simulate

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<v Speaker 1>alternative realities, and we react to events not just in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of what happened, but what those simulations tell us

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<v Speaker 1>might have happened, easily, could have happened, almost happened. This

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<v Speaker 1>is Tom Gillibitch. He's a sports fanatic, both on the

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<v Speaker 1>court and off. I looked around and there weren't that

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<v Speaker 1>many over sixty five basketball players. Tom was still shooting

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<v Speaker 1>hoops well into his seventh decade. His knees, miraculously, we're

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<v Speaker 1>still holding up. I go out and play for court basketball.

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<v Speaker 1>A few games, come back to my office and I

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<v Speaker 1>was just beat good for nothing. I thought, I have

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<v Speaker 1>a job. I can't do that. That job is as

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<v Speaker 1>a professor of psychology at Cornell University. Tom is a

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<v Speaker 1>world expert on the biases that affect our choices and

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<v Speaker 1>our well being. Back in nineteen ninety two, Tom embarked

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<v Speaker 1>on one of my favorite ever studies in the field

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<v Speaker 1>of happiness research. It combined his love of sports with

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<v Speaker 1>his access to high end consumer electronics. In those days,

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<v Speaker 1>having a VHS recorder in your house was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>new and exciting. If you had one, you were on

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<v Speaker 1>the cutting edge of technology. Tom had been a seminar

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<v Speaker 1>discussing why narrowly missing out on an imagined future torches

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<v Speaker 1>us so much. He wanted to find a way to

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<v Speaker 1>figure out what was going on. His sports brain suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>kicked in. There a lot of data points out there

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<v Speaker 1>of some disgruntled looking silver medallists, and one of the

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<v Speaker 1>graduate students in the class, Vicki Medvick, said that sounds interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>We should test that. To do so, Tom set his

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<v Speaker 1>VCR to catch the Barcelona Olympics on NBC. So we

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<v Speaker 1>recorded all of their coverage and then went through it.

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<v Speaker 1>We pulled critical moments where swimmers are racing to the

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<v Speaker 1>finish line and they touch one, two, three, and we

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<v Speaker 1>just followed the camera. Sometimes most often of course, they're

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<v Speaker 1>focusing on the gold medal winner. Sometimes they'll show the

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<v Speaker 1>faces of the bronze and silver medal winner. We would

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<v Speaker 1>edit those and show them to judges and have them

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<v Speaker 1>score it on a agony to ecstasy scale, borrowing a

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<v Speaker 1>phrase from an old sports program, The Wide World of Sports.

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<v Speaker 1>Those judges Tom's students had to give each face they

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<v Speaker 1>saw a score from one to ten. If the athlete

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<v Speaker 1>looked like they were an emotional agony, they got a one.

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<v Speaker 1>If the medalist appeared to be in the throes of ecstasy,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a ten. The bronze medalists scored on average

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<v Speaker 1>a seven point one out of ten on that scale.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty high, especially given that they had just gotten

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<v Speaker 1>third place. But silver medalists they scored not a seven,

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<v Speaker 1>nor a six, not even a five. On average, they

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<v Speaker 1>were at a four point eight. Of all the people

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<v Speaker 1>on the podium, the silver medalists were clearly the most miserable,

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<v Speaker 1>and on tom scale, a four point eight is closer

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<v Speaker 1>to agony than to ecstasy. M Does this mean that

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<v Speaker 1>the silver medalists, who's so close to the gold they

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<v Speaker 1>could almost taste it, think of their quite significant achievement

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<v Speaker 1>not as achievement, but as a failure to win the gold,

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<v Speaker 1>the failure to be the person who can be on

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<v Speaker 1>the wheaty box the following year, whereas the bronze medalist.

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<v Speaker 1>They might also some of them, especially if they were

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<v Speaker 1>expecting to win, might imagine, oh, if I'd done a

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<v Speaker 1>little better, I could get the gold medal. But the

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<v Speaker 1>gold medal is two slots away. One slot away in

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<v Speaker 1>the opposite direction is not getting a medal at all,

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<v Speaker 1>and so psychologically that's a more tempting alternative to reality,

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<v Speaker 1>to construct, and therefore they have a sense of relief that, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>at least I got a medal. Tom's finding wasn't just

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<v Speaker 1>true at the Barcelona Olympics. The agony of silver medalist

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<v Speaker 1>has been confirmed experimentally again and again. During the two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and four Athens Games, Professor David Matsumoto of San

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<v Speaker 1>Francisco State teamed up with martial arts journalists Bob Willingham.

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<v Speaker 1>They ran judo medalists from over thirty different countries through

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<v Speaker 1>a state of the art technique called the Facial Action

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<v Speaker 1>Coding system. They noted the exact movements of each of

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<v Speaker 1>the muscles in the athletes faces and we're talking all

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<v Speaker 1>the muscles here, from the corrugators superciliate to the zygomaticus major.

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<v Speaker 1>The researchers confirmed what Tom's judges saw and revealed a

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<v Speaker 1>pattern that was even more striking. The martial artists who

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<v Speaker 1>won silver weren't just less happy than those in first

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<v Speaker 1>and third place, they were in a completely different state

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<v Speaker 1>of mind. Their facial expressions showed distinctly negative emotions, emotions

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<v Speaker 1>like sadness, anger, and disgust, which is remarkable. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they just got Olympic recognition for their sporting achievements, and

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<v Speaker 1>their faces said they felt awful. These findings show that

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<v Speaker 1>the imagined alternative that of a gold medal poisons the

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<v Speaker 1>actually really awesome reality the silver medalist experience. They've just

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<v Speaker 1>won an Olympic medal that should be a thrill, but

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<v Speaker 1>they end up looking enviously at the one single solitary

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<v Speaker 1>person on earth who beat them. But this experience isn't

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<v Speaker 1>just a problem for Olympians. It's part of human nature.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a bias that's deeply ingrained in all of us.

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<v Speaker 1>People don't react to the stimuli they confront. They react

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<v Speaker 1>to the meaning that they attached to the stimuli. Second

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<v Speaker 1>place is great, except if you've assigned it the meaning

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<v Speaker 1>of it not being the gold medal. But bronze medalists

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<v Speaker 1>clearly attach a different meaning to getting third place on

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<v Speaker 1>the leaderboard. They aren't gazing disappointedly at the champ They're

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<v Speaker 1>looking down at all the people who didn't beat them.

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<v Speaker 1>They're thinking about the possibility of not getting a medal

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<v Speaker 1>at all. Bronze medalists are framing their experience in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that is also pretty relatable, especially if you think

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<v Speaker 1>back on your own life experiences. Many times people will

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<v Speaker 1>say that, oh, the happiest moment of my life is

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I was having a medical task because there

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<v Speaker 1>was something to worry about and it turned out it

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<v Speaker 1>was nothing, and I'll always remember that day. It just

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<v Speaker 1>you're ere ecstatic that something bad didn't happen. There's always

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<v Speaker 1>a worse reference point out there if you look carefully enough,

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<v Speaker 1>yes problem as we do often look Yes. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really a psychology of counting your blessings. Before we

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<v Speaker 1>take a break, let's play a quick would you rather game?

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<v Speaker 1>Would you rather take a a job were you earn

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<v Speaker 1>fifty thousand dollars a year, or be a job where

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<v Speaker 1>you earn one hundred thousand dollars a year. Time's up.

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<v Speaker 1>My guess is that you went with option B. But

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't tell you what everyone else at the Imaginary

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<v Speaker 1>Company was earning. And that makes a bigger difference than

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<v Speaker 1>you think. The Happiness Lab will be back in a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>It's nineteen eighty one in England is in the group

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<v Speaker 1>of a terrible economic crisis. Jerry Dammers and his ska

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<v Speaker 1>band The Specials are touring the country, playing concerts in

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<v Speaker 1>city after city, and everywhere they go they see the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing. Auto plants closing, shipyards shutting down, factory gates

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<v Speaker 1>being locked for good. Nearly three million Brits are out

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<v Speaker 1>of work and six thousand more are joining those ranks

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<v Speaker 1>every single day. Dammer's hit song powerfully evokes the feeling

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<v Speaker 1>of hard times. Ghost town must be miserable, but as

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out, you may be happier living in a

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<v Speaker 1>ghost town than a boomtown if you're unemployed. And to

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<v Speaker 1>explain why I need to talk about the power of

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<v Speaker 1>reference points, you see, our mind is constantly telling us

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<v Speaker 1>that being absolutely better is what matters. Gold is better

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<v Speaker 1>than silver, which is better than bronze. Getting an A

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<v Speaker 1>plus on your report card is better than an A,

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<v Speaker 1>which is better than an Earning one hundred thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>is better than seventy five thousand, which is better than

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<v Speaker 1>fifty thousand. But it turns out that being absolutely better

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't always feel better. It depends on your reference point,

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<v Speaker 1>that other alternative reality you're paying attention to, which takes

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<v Speaker 1>us back to ghost towns. Back in two thousand and three,

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<v Speaker 1>Andrew Clark, a professor at the Paris School for Economics,

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<v Speaker 1>studied well being in the UK across different kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>labor markets, whether you're in a ghost town like the

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<v Speaker 1>one in the Special Song or a bloomtown in which

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<v Speaker 1>only a small number of people are seeking work. What

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<v Speaker 1>did he find well As you might expect, Clark found

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<v Speaker 1>that not having a job kind of sucks. Overall, unemployed

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<v Speaker 1>folks were less happy than those with jobs, but how

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<v Speaker 1>big that effect was dependent on where you lived. Being

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<v Speaker 1>unemployed in a town where lots of folks are unemployed

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't feel as bad as being unemployed in a town

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<v Speaker 1>where lots of folks are working. Clark's stata showed that

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<v Speaker 1>we're using the other people around us as a reference point.

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<v Speaker 1>Misery really does love company. If you've heard the last episode,

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<v Speaker 1>you may recall that lottery owners, millionaires, and other people

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<v Speaker 1>earning lots and lots of money usually aren't all that

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<v Speaker 1>much happier than the rest of us. The science of

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<v Speaker 1>reference points shows why it's true that millionaires have objectively

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<v Speaker 1>more money than lots of people on the planet, but

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<v Speaker 1>they also hang out with people who make even more

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<v Speaker 1>money than they do, which means they don't end up

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<v Speaker 1>feeling all that wealthy. The minds of the super rich

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<v Speaker 1>naturally compare themselves against the super super rich, and everyone

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<v Speaker 1>ends up feeling bad. You can always find a better

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<v Speaker 1>middle out there when it comes to salary, and that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of envy can bring out our mean streak. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you remember that would you rather question? From earlier? It

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<v Speaker 1>was about picking from two different salaries, one higher and

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<v Speaker 1>one lower. We'd pretty much all take the bigger paycheck,

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<v Speaker 1>but Tom Gilowitch explained a twist that can trigger our

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<v Speaker 1>obsession with reference points. There's a nice old economic study

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<v Speaker 1>where respondents were asked which world would you rather live in?

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<v Speaker 1>One where you make fifty tho dollars a year and

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<v Speaker 1>other people make twenty five, so you're the richest person

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<v Speaker 1>on your block. Or would you rather live in a

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<v Speaker 1>world where you make a hundred thousand but everybody else

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<v Speaker 1>makes two hundred thousand, so you're making twice as much.

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<v Speaker 1>You have twice as much purchasing power, but other people

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<v Speaker 1>have still more than you, And that turns out to

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<v Speaker 1>be a hard problem. The respondents are roughly split. Half

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<v Speaker 1>of them want just give me more money, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>care that other people are making more than I am,

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<v Speaker 1>and other people want to be the top dog. These

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<v Speaker 1>results are crazy. Almost half of us would be willing

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<v Speaker 1>to give up a huge part of our salary just

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<v Speaker 1>to be doing better than other people. But we don't

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<v Speaker 1>just do this with money. Sarah Sulnick and David Hemenway,

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<v Speaker 1>who ran the original study, asked a whole list of

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<v Speaker 1>similar questions about other kinds of achievements. Do you want

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<v Speaker 1>to be very pretty in a sea of fashion models

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<v Speaker 1>or kind of plane, but prettier than other people? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you want to be super smart or smarter than your peers.

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<v Speaker 1>Turns out many people would rather be dumber and uglier

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<v Speaker 1>as long as they're superior to those immediately around them.

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<v Speaker 1>Our desire to compare ourselves with others does make us

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<v Speaker 1>do some downright dumb stuff in the real world, and

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<v Speaker 1>our tendency to envy other people can also leave us

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<v Speaker 1>open to manipulation. In a typical lottery like Powerball in

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<v Speaker 1>the US, you buy a ticket, your number comes up,

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<v Speaker 1>you enterprize. But in the Netherlands, your feet in the

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<v Speaker 1>lottery is directly tied to that of your neighbors. Hallows.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Dutch postcode lottery. It's a charity lottery,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning that all proceeds go to a good cause. But

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<v Speaker 1>this lottery works differently than playing powerball. The winning number

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<v Speaker 1>isn't when you pick yourself. It's linked to your zip code.

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<v Speaker 1>Every Sunday night, one Dutch postcode is picked out. If

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<v Speaker 1>you live in that area and bought a ticket, you

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<v Speaker 1>automatically win the weekly street prize of twenty five thousand euros.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a massive chunk of the average Dutch salary. But

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<v Speaker 1>if you didn't buy a ticket, well, you get nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>which is kind of a bummer, even more of a

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<v Speaker 1>bummer than losing a regular lottery in powerball. If you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't buy a ticket, you don't feel a huge sense

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<v Speaker 1>of loss. When some random number is announced. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't buy a Dutch Street prize ticket and your

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<v Speaker 1>zip code comes up, that feeling of loss cuts deeply.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not some random number that won, it was your

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<v Speaker 1>postcode and you passed up money that should have been

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<v Speaker 1>yours when you didn't play. That alternative reality where you

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<v Speaker 1>could have won a lot of money becomes very salient.

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<v Speaker 1>But the real kicker happens when you look out your window,

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<v Speaker 1>because on average, a quarter of your neighbors bought a

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<v Speaker 1>ticket and they're celebrating right now because some celebrity just

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<v Speaker 1>brought them a huge, oversized check. Just like silver medalists

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<v Speaker 1>can't help but look to gold, the neighbors of Dutch

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<v Speaker 1>lottery winners can't help but frame themselves as losers, with

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<v Speaker 1>all of the unhappy emotions that this sort of envy brings,

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<v Speaker 1>even though their situation hasn't changed at all. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>think about it, they didn't really lose anything. They're just

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<v Speaker 1>as rich as they were yesterday, but now they feel awful.

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<v Speaker 1>But it gets worse. In two thousand and five, Peter Coon,

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<v Speaker 1>an economist at UC Santa Barbara, teamed up with colleagues

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<v Speaker 1>to test what one Dutch household winning the prize does

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<v Speaker 1>to material consumption in the rest of the community. How

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<v Speaker 1>it's seeing your neighbors renovate their house, go on vacation,

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<v Speaker 1>or park a shiny new ride in the driveway make

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<v Speaker 1>you feel probably like a loser, and maybe like you

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<v Speaker 1>deserve something new too, even though you didn't win any money.

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<v Speaker 1>Coon studied the long term impact of having a lottery

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<v Speaker 1>winner and neighbor. A typical non ticket buyer has a

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<v Speaker 1>fourteen percent chance of buying a new car within a

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<v Speaker 1>given year. But if someone two doors down from you

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<v Speaker 1>actually wins the lottery, that bumps up your probability of

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<v Speaker 1>buying a new car to eighteen percent. And if that

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<v Speaker 1>winner lives right next door to you, you're urged to

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<v Speaker 1>buy a new car jumps from fourteen percent to twenty

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<v Speaker 1>one percent. Having a next door neighbor get rich suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>pushes you to make purchases you wouldn't normally make. The

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<v Speaker 1>idea of a postcode lottery is now spreading around the world,

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<v Speaker 1>which is great because these lotteries do raise a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of money for good causes. The Dutch one alone has

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<v Speaker 1>generated billions of dollars for charity since its inception. But

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<v Speaker 1>watching the promotional videos for these games made me realize

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<v Speaker 1>the psychological pull of this particular kind of lottery. It's

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<v Speaker 1>fomal one O one. It's tapping into our automatic urge

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<v Speaker 1>to use other people as reference points, often at our

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<v Speaker 1>own disadvantage. I'm as guilty as anyone of making myself

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<v Speaker 1>sad by constantly picking unflattering reference points, both in my

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<v Speaker 1>professional and in my personal life. It's a trait I

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<v Speaker 1>worry about and one I confess to Tom because if

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<v Speaker 1>I think about, you know, who's a psychologist is doing

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<v Speaker 1>really well, it's publishing a lot or you know, who's

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<v Speaker 1>one of my friends who's like really beautiful, Like, my

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<v Speaker 1>mind doesn't go to, like, oh, let's pick a medium productive,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, psychologist, or I'll pick a like medium beautiful person.

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<v Speaker 1>Like we pick the comparison that it sub sets is

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<v Speaker 1>the harshest, right, That's what comes to mind the easiest,

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<v Speaker 1>And then that means we're our standard is the worst

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<v Speaker 1>possible standard against which we could be comparing ourselves. Yes, exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>and in some ways we're you know, we're goal striving creatures.

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<v Speaker 1>We're happiest when we're striving for goals, and that means

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<v Speaker 1>where you're setting our targets upwards? How am I doing

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<v Speaker 1>compared to what well it's compared to the people who

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<v Speaker 1>are publishing like mad and getting the great jobs. Those

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<v Speaker 1>are the things that spring to mind most readily and

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<v Speaker 1>that can make a person unhappy. Tom has studied one

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<v Speaker 1>other area in which many of us do this all

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<v Speaker 1>the time, when we think of how good our social

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<v Speaker 1>lives are. Let's try some questions together. Who goes to

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<v Speaker 1>more parties? You? Or other people? Who has more friends? You?

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<v Speaker 1>Or other people who has a wider social network? You

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<v Speaker 1>or other people? What were your answers? All three of

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<v Speaker 1>mine were other people. When it comes to their social lives,

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<v Speaker 1>the average person thinks they're below average. People think that

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<v Speaker 1>they're not quite in the center of the social action,

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<v Speaker 1>they're farther out on the periphery, that there's some inner

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<v Speaker 1>group that is having all the fun and they're missing out.

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<v Speaker 1>But why do we think everyone is more fun than

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<v Speaker 1>we are as usual? It's because they are obvious reference

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<v Speaker 1>points that are messing us up. The most natural other

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<v Speaker 1>people to come to mind when you're thinking about how

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<v Speaker 1>active is my social life? Are the most active, actively

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<v Speaker 1>social people the life of the party that comes to

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<v Speaker 1>mind most readily, and of course if you compare yourself

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<v Speaker 1>to that person, you feel that your social life isn't

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<v Speaker 1>that great. Given how important social relations are to human life,

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<v Speaker 1>if you think that socially you're not quite up there,

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<v Speaker 1>it's pretty hard for most people to feel good about themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is the most insidious part of our reference

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<v Speaker 1>point bias. We don't just pick arbitrary reference points. We

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<v Speaker 1>often pick the most extreme reference point out there, the

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<v Speaker 1>person that's doing the very very very best in whatever

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<v Speaker 1>trait we're thinking of. That's where our minds go and

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<v Speaker 1>are biased to seek out these extreme alternatives. Might be

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<v Speaker 1>getting more problematic today, especially with so many upward comparisons

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<v Speaker 1>on social media to make us envious. It's a very

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<v Speaker 1>rare person that posts a picture of themselves kind of

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<v Speaker 1>lonely and miserable, so you get a biased sample from

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<v Speaker 1>being on any kind of social media. So it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to imagine how that couldn't accentuate this tendency. Tom is

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<v Speaker 1>quick to point out that all these comparisons are a

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<v Speaker 1>double edged sword. On the one hand, comparing ourselves against

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<v Speaker 1>people who are way better than us can make us

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<v Speaker 1>feel really bad, but On the other hand, it can

0:28:39.556 --> 0:28:43.236
<v Speaker 1>make a person productive. And if we were satisfied all

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<v Speaker 1>the time, would we have the same level of drive

0:28:45.756 --> 0:28:48.436
<v Speaker 1>if we were comparing downward? Well, at least, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>like this person who's never had a single study ever

0:28:51.476 --> 0:28:54.276
<v Speaker 1>work out. I feel great now, well good, but are

0:28:54.316 --> 0:28:56.036
<v Speaker 1>you going to work as hard? And so there's this

0:28:56.156 --> 0:29:01.516
<v Speaker 1>tension between satisfaction and productivity. I don't always find striking

0:29:01.516 --> 0:29:04.716
<v Speaker 1>that balance easy, but making the show I found an

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<v Speaker 1>amazing new role model, someone who never stops striving but

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't fall into that sad silver medal trap. What I

0:29:12.756 --> 0:29:15.836
<v Speaker 1>didn't expect, though, was that my new role model would

0:29:15.836 --> 0:29:20.116
<v Speaker 1>be Michelle Kwan coming home with the silver. Everyone's like, oh,

0:29:20.156 --> 0:29:23.756
<v Speaker 1>it's such a bomber. You lost, And my approach was, now,

0:29:23.756 --> 0:29:27.676
<v Speaker 1>I didn't lose. I won the silver medal. The Happiness

0:29:27.796 --> 0:29:47.036
<v Speaker 1>Lab will be right back. At seven years old, I

0:29:47.076 --> 0:29:50.916
<v Speaker 1>watched the Calgary nineteen eighty eight Olympics and watched Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Poetana win the Olympics, and I think it was at

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<v Speaker 1>that moment I was like, ah, oh, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>be a skater. I want to be an Olympic skater,

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<v Speaker 1>just like Brian Poetano. I'm not even going to try

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<v Speaker 1>to read out all the championships, titles, or medals that

0:30:04.316 --> 0:30:07.836
<v Speaker 1>Michelle Kwan won during her figure skating career. She may

0:30:07.876 --> 0:30:11.036
<v Speaker 1>have lost the gold and ninety eight, but her trophy

0:30:11.076 --> 0:30:14.356
<v Speaker 1>hall is still greater than that of her hero, Brian Boitano.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think about it often. It's weird to hear

0:30:18.276 --> 0:30:21.396
<v Speaker 1>all the titles. I guess it must be a little

0:30:21.436 --> 0:30:24.516
<v Speaker 1>surreal to be considered one of the most decorated figure

0:30:24.516 --> 0:30:28.956
<v Speaker 1>skaters in history, especially when you're as modest as Michelle is,

0:30:29.916 --> 0:30:32.356
<v Speaker 1>and that modesty is one of the things that sets

0:30:32.396 --> 0:30:37.276
<v Speaker 1>Michelle apart. Even though Michelle was disappointed placing second Inageno,

0:30:38.196 --> 0:30:42.196
<v Speaker 1>she didn't seem to be in agony. During the metal ceremony.

0:30:42.356 --> 0:30:45.756
<v Speaker 1>Michelle graciously hugged the teammate who beat her. She smiled

0:30:45.836 --> 0:30:49.036
<v Speaker 1>genuinely when her name was called in Japanese, waving with

0:30:49.156 --> 0:30:52.996
<v Speaker 1>ease at her screaming fans. She wasn't as ecstatic as

0:30:52.996 --> 0:30:57.476
<v Speaker 1>the gold medalist, but Michelle seemed fine. There was no face,

0:30:58.116 --> 0:31:01.276
<v Speaker 1>no tossing her metal to the side. Even though many

0:31:01.316 --> 0:31:04.156
<v Speaker 1>of her fans were still in shock, Michelle looked calm

0:31:04.676 --> 0:31:08.396
<v Speaker 1>and almost joyous on the stand. There's so many ways

0:31:08.436 --> 0:31:11.636
<v Speaker 1>to look at it, and the way I see it's

0:31:11.676 --> 0:31:15.196
<v Speaker 1>like the glasses have full. I always had like a

0:31:15.276 --> 0:31:18.996
<v Speaker 1>very positive outlook. I wanted to figure out how Michelle

0:31:19.036 --> 0:31:22.676
<v Speaker 1>was able to overcome that envy that plagues the typical

0:31:22.716 --> 0:31:26.716
<v Speaker 1>silver medalist. How is she able to avoid falling prey

0:31:26.916 --> 0:31:30.316
<v Speaker 1>to all the negative social comparisons that many of us

0:31:30.356 --> 0:31:33.916
<v Speaker 1>make all the time. I never put myself against somebody.

0:31:34.636 --> 0:31:37.756
<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to wish anybody falls or anything, so

0:31:37.836 --> 0:31:41.476
<v Speaker 1>I tend to kind of focus on myself. I was

0:31:41.516 --> 0:31:44.516
<v Speaker 1>not that kind of competitor where it's like I'm against

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<v Speaker 1>this person. During our conversation, I realized that Michelle used

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<v Speaker 1>several of the strategies Tom Gillowitch and I had discussed,

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<v Speaker 1>the ones that research show can help us avoid feeling

0:31:56.156 --> 0:31:59.996
<v Speaker 1>bad in the face of those imaginary reference points. The

0:32:00.076 --> 0:32:04.316
<v Speaker 1>first strategy Michelle used is what researchers call negative visualization,

0:32:04.916 --> 0:32:07.316
<v Speaker 1>the act of wondering what would things be like if

0:32:07.356 --> 0:32:10.796
<v Speaker 1>the good events in our life never happened? Like what

0:32:10.876 --> 0:32:12.676
<v Speaker 1>if I didn't manage to earn a medal at all?

0:32:13.316 --> 0:32:15.676
<v Speaker 1>What if I fell during the triple Lutz and came

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<v Speaker 1>in fifth place, or what if I never made it

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<v Speaker 1>to the Olympics at all. That last possibility was really

0:32:23.196 --> 0:32:27.356
<v Speaker 1>easy for Michelle to imagine because it almost came true.

0:32:27.436 --> 0:32:29.836
<v Speaker 1>I struggled a bit a couple of months before because

0:32:29.836 --> 0:32:33.676
<v Speaker 1>I had a foot fracture in my second metatarsal. Breaking

0:32:33.676 --> 0:32:36.836
<v Speaker 1>your foot is a catastrophe for an Olympic skater. Michelle

0:32:36.836 --> 0:32:39.556
<v Speaker 1>had to train like crazy to catch up. She almost

0:32:39.556 --> 0:32:43.796
<v Speaker 1>didn't make it to Japan, but psychologically the injury was

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<v Speaker 1>a gift. It gave Michelle a reference point that made

0:32:47.236 --> 0:32:50.836
<v Speaker 1>her grateful for that second place prize because there was

0:32:50.876 --> 0:32:53.676
<v Speaker 1>a really obvious imagined future where she might have been

0:32:53.756 --> 0:32:57.796
<v Speaker 1>dropped from the Olympic squad all together. Michelle also had

0:32:57.876 --> 0:33:00.876
<v Speaker 1>a healthy other reference point to keep her grounded, her

0:33:00.916 --> 0:33:03.756
<v Speaker 1>big sister Karen. It's fun because we used to skate

0:33:03.796 --> 0:33:07.116
<v Speaker 1>together and train together. Karen Quan was an elite skater,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the very best in the United Days, but

0:33:10.276 --> 0:33:12.956
<v Speaker 1>she never broke into the top flight. She never made

0:33:12.956 --> 0:33:14.916
<v Speaker 1>it to the podium or got a place in the

0:33:14.996 --> 0:33:18.636
<v Speaker 1>US squad because she was bested by her little sister.

0:33:19.116 --> 0:33:22.596
<v Speaker 1>At the National Championships in nineteen ninety six, there were

0:33:22.596 --> 0:33:25.076
<v Speaker 1>two quans. That was the Nationals where I was first,

0:33:25.116 --> 0:33:26.796
<v Speaker 1>since she was fifth. You must have had parents who

0:33:26.876 --> 0:33:29.236
<v Speaker 1>really instilled in you. For a sister not to be

0:33:29.276 --> 0:33:32.556
<v Speaker 1>completely jealous of her other sister's fame. She's the most

0:33:32.836 --> 0:33:38.516
<v Speaker 1>supportive sibling. She's just like go Michelle. Michelle looked up

0:33:38.516 --> 0:33:41.076
<v Speaker 1>to her older sister as an example of how to

0:33:41.116 --> 0:33:45.436
<v Speaker 1>support other athletes success gracefully, and she loved sharing the

0:33:45.476 --> 0:33:49.196
<v Speaker 1>limelight with her sister Karen. Didn't feel like a competitor.

0:33:50.756 --> 0:33:53.636
<v Speaker 1>I had a partner working with Karen so closely. Me

0:33:53.716 --> 0:33:55.956
<v Speaker 1>and Michelle realized that there was a better way to

0:33:55.996 --> 0:34:00.636
<v Speaker 1>motivate herself than enviously looking to other better skaters. Comparing

0:34:00.676 --> 0:34:04.636
<v Speaker 1>myself to somebody else. It didn't drive me. I have

0:34:04.796 --> 0:34:09.476
<v Speaker 1>to be internally motivated and passionate about what I was doing.

0:34:09.876 --> 0:34:12.276
<v Speaker 1>And there's a third reason Michelle was able to avoid

0:34:12.276 --> 0:34:15.436
<v Speaker 1>those harmful reference points. As I talked with Michelle about

0:34:15.476 --> 0:34:18.996
<v Speaker 1>her grueling practice schedule, it's like Groundhog day every day.

0:34:19.636 --> 0:34:22.516
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't immediately convinced that hitting the ice for hours

0:34:22.636 --> 0:34:25.636
<v Speaker 1>each and every day was a great source of happiness,

0:34:25.876 --> 0:34:29.876
<v Speaker 1>but as it turns out, I thrived. I love the schedule,

0:34:30.196 --> 0:34:33.476
<v Speaker 1>Like I was flying and I wish I could balldle

0:34:33.556 --> 0:34:35.636
<v Speaker 1>that because I don't know what was the inspiration, what

0:34:35.756 --> 0:34:37.796
<v Speaker 1>was the fire. It was like a rocket that kept

0:34:37.796 --> 0:34:40.076
<v Speaker 1>going and going going, where my coach was like, can

0:34:40.076 --> 0:34:42.276
<v Speaker 1>you get off the ice because you're really scaring me

0:34:42.356 --> 0:34:46.316
<v Speaker 1>right now, and I was flying around the ice. Michelle

0:34:46.356 --> 0:34:47.996
<v Speaker 1>wasn't just in it for a shot at some far

0:34:48.036 --> 0:34:51.676
<v Speaker 1>off championship. She enjoyed the grind, and when her passion

0:34:51.716 --> 0:34:54.716
<v Speaker 1>for the sport propelled her onto the Olympic team, she

0:34:54.916 --> 0:34:57.116
<v Speaker 1>was able to see that experience as a journey too,

0:34:57.956 --> 0:35:00.236
<v Speaker 1>not just as a chance for a medal, but as

0:35:00.276 --> 0:35:04.516
<v Speaker 1>an opportunity to relish every single amazing moment along the way.

0:35:04.956 --> 0:35:09.596
<v Speaker 1>It's overwhelming. It is completely overwhelming. You're so proud to

0:35:09.676 --> 0:35:13.156
<v Speaker 1>represent the United States, and then you're at the Olympic

0:35:13.436 --> 0:35:16.596
<v Speaker 1>Arena where you skate over the Olympic rings where it's

0:35:16.596 --> 0:35:19.956
<v Speaker 1>painted on under the ice, and I remember actually crying

0:35:19.996 --> 0:35:24.036
<v Speaker 1>when I skated over the Olympic rings and I was

0:35:24.076 --> 0:35:27.636
<v Speaker 1>so overwhelmed that I had tears rolling down my face,

0:35:27.636 --> 0:35:29.796
<v Speaker 1>and then my coach actually pulled me aside. It's like

0:35:30.156 --> 0:35:33.116
<v Speaker 1>you need to wake up, snap out of it. Wake up,

0:35:33.196 --> 0:35:35.516
<v Speaker 1>you're here, You're the Olympics. You have a job to do.

0:35:35.916 --> 0:35:38.556
<v Speaker 1>Seventeen year old Michelle's job wasn't to be a bunch

0:35:38.596 --> 0:35:41.796
<v Speaker 1>of competitors, she envied. It wasn't even to get the

0:35:41.836 --> 0:35:45.876
<v Speaker 1>gold medal. I want to skate my best before think

0:35:45.916 --> 0:35:48.556
<v Speaker 1>about medals, been thinking about anything. I want to do

0:35:48.636 --> 0:35:52.556
<v Speaker 1>my very own best and have no regrets. It really

0:35:52.676 --> 0:35:57.796
<v Speaker 1>was an awakening of it's not about the results, It's

0:35:57.796 --> 0:36:01.756
<v Speaker 1>about the journey. Michelle's awakening fits with what Tom Gilovich

0:36:01.836 --> 0:36:05.476
<v Speaker 1>has learned in his study of happiness. He thinks Michelle

0:36:05.556 --> 0:36:09.596
<v Speaker 1>articulated an important lesson for all of us. Life is

0:36:09.596 --> 0:36:12.956
<v Speaker 1>a journey, it's not a destination. Michelle Kuan had these

0:36:13.036 --> 0:36:16.796
<v Speaker 1>amazing years of putting herself to the test, day in

0:36:17.076 --> 0:36:19.996
<v Speaker 1>day out, and that's not an easy thing to do,

0:36:20.116 --> 0:36:22.996
<v Speaker 1>and she did it and she can feel great about that.

0:36:23.156 --> 0:36:27.156
<v Speaker 1>And most of the things in life that are truly

0:36:27.396 --> 0:36:31.396
<v Speaker 1>sustaining in terms of their ability to provide us happiness

0:36:31.476 --> 0:36:34.396
<v Speaker 1>has to do with the pursuit of things. We're happy

0:36:34.556 --> 0:36:38.396
<v Speaker 1>happiest when we're on the journey, not when the journey

0:36:38.676 --> 0:36:42.516
<v Speaker 1>is over. Loving the journey gave Michelle a grace that

0:36:42.636 --> 0:36:46.596
<v Speaker 1>shaped her career and was especially salient during that tough

0:36:46.636 --> 0:36:49.316
<v Speaker 1>second place moment in Japan. It was a lot for

0:36:49.356 --> 0:36:53.756
<v Speaker 1>a seventeen year old, but I think my parents' voice

0:36:54.036 --> 0:36:58.116
<v Speaker 1>of you wouldn't sum You lose some but you realize

0:36:58.196 --> 0:37:01.036
<v Speaker 1>very quickly that this is not your world. You just

0:37:01.076 --> 0:37:05.316
<v Speaker 1>happen to be living in it. It's good sportsmanship, it's

0:37:05.996 --> 0:37:09.396
<v Speaker 1>the reality of the world. As you'll hear a lot

0:37:09.396 --> 0:37:12.596
<v Speaker 1>on this podcast, I want to find happy people and

0:37:12.676 --> 0:37:15.316
<v Speaker 1>look at their behavior, both so I can give you

0:37:15.356 --> 0:37:18.036
<v Speaker 1>some tips, but also so I can get some new

0:37:18.076 --> 0:37:22.516
<v Speaker 1>ones myself. During our chat, Michelle revealed so many traits

0:37:22.556 --> 0:37:25.676
<v Speaker 1>that separate happy people from the rest of us, but

0:37:25.756 --> 0:37:28.516
<v Speaker 1>the most important one is her ability to put her

0:37:28.556 --> 0:37:33.036
<v Speaker 1>experiences into context, to think in terms of positive rather

0:37:33.076 --> 0:37:37.796
<v Speaker 1>than negative reference points, or to count one's blessings. As

0:37:37.836 --> 0:37:40.876
<v Speaker 1>Tom put it earlier, the happy people it's almost like

0:37:40.916 --> 0:37:43.756
<v Speaker 1>they have this talent for framing things in a way

0:37:43.916 --> 0:37:48.836
<v Speaker 1>that sustains their happiness. If you've experienced some failure, it's

0:37:48.876 --> 0:37:53.276
<v Speaker 1>easy too. Well, you can recode it as Okay, I

0:37:53.316 --> 0:37:56.996
<v Speaker 1>didn't achieve this, but look at what I have. Michelle

0:37:57.076 --> 0:38:00.516
<v Speaker 1>Kwan is the queen of reframing. When you look back,

0:38:00.516 --> 0:38:03.596
<v Speaker 1>you're like, would a gold medal make me happier? When

0:38:03.596 --> 0:38:07.076
<v Speaker 1>I look back, it's not the metals themselves. It's the moments.

0:38:07.156 --> 0:38:12.156
<v Speaker 1>It's the hearing the applause and hearing the crowd and

0:38:12.316 --> 0:38:14.516
<v Speaker 1>hearing the ice when I skated it over, it is

0:38:14.556 --> 0:38:19.316
<v Speaker 1>so beautiful, I don't know, just hearing the roar of

0:38:19.356 --> 0:38:23.556
<v Speaker 1>the audience and having that love. This is why I

0:38:23.676 --> 0:38:27.196
<v Speaker 1>do what I do. We all fall prey to reference points.

0:38:27.756 --> 0:38:30.036
<v Speaker 1>We don't experience the good and bad events in our

0:38:30.076 --> 0:38:34.836
<v Speaker 1>lives and objective terms, we're constantly comparing our own achievements

0:38:35.076 --> 0:38:39.756
<v Speaker 1>to somebody else's, that other person's metal car salary, and

0:38:39.876 --> 0:38:43.516
<v Speaker 1>even social life. We've also learned that we suck at

0:38:43.556 --> 0:38:47.756
<v Speaker 1>picking these reference points. That our minds automatically go to

0:38:47.836 --> 0:38:51.596
<v Speaker 1>the most salient, imaginary reality, and that's often one in

0:38:51.636 --> 0:38:54.316
<v Speaker 1>which we could be prettier, higher on the podium, a

0:38:54.356 --> 0:38:57.796
<v Speaker 1>bit more popular, and way more wealthy. And this kind

0:38:57.836 --> 0:39:01.196
<v Speaker 1>of reference point setting is costly. Here's one factoid I

0:39:01.276 --> 0:39:04.996
<v Speaker 1>saved until the end. Silver medalist aren't just sadder on

0:39:05.036 --> 0:39:09.076
<v Speaker 1>the stand. They're still negatively affected by that gold medal

0:39:09.236 --> 0:39:14.276
<v Speaker 1>reference point. Years and years later. In fact, one study

0:39:14.276 --> 0:39:17.476
<v Speaker 1>has even shown that silver medalists are more likely to

0:39:17.556 --> 0:39:21.476
<v Speaker 1>die younger than those who win bronze or gold. Bad

0:39:21.516 --> 0:39:25.116
<v Speaker 1>reference points can cut our lives short. So if you

0:39:25.156 --> 0:39:28.836
<v Speaker 1>want to be happier, maybe even live longer, you need

0:39:28.876 --> 0:39:32.356
<v Speaker 1>to find better reference points. You need to look not

0:39:32.436 --> 0:39:36.916
<v Speaker 1>just for the silver lining, but the bronze lining. The

0:39:37.036 --> 0:39:40.076
<v Speaker 1>great thing about the human mind is we can do that.

0:39:40.916 --> 0:39:44.196
<v Speaker 1>We can simulate whatever new reference points we want. It

0:39:44.276 --> 0:39:46.956
<v Speaker 1>just takes some effort, and if you're ready to put

0:39:46.996 --> 0:39:49.796
<v Speaker 1>that work in, I hope you'll return for the next

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<v Speaker 1>episode of The Happiness Lab with me Doctor Laurie Santos.

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