Speaker 1: This gossipy dynamic that I'm now calling Kim yat with Kim,
Speaker 1: Kanye and Pete Davidson is fodder for many people. I
Speaker 1: you know, for TikTok's for jokes, all of it, um,
Speaker 1: and here in particular, I don't I mean, I yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't like to talk about things just for the
Speaker 1: sake of talking about them. I joked on Instagram, um
Speaker 1: and Twitter about you know that I've unsubscribed, dear media,
Speaker 1: I've unsubscribed to the Kimmey drama. But yet I'm still
Speaker 1: getting these messages. So we're all witnessing something that's very public.
Speaker 1: There's so much to unpack. I want to discuss my
Speaker 1: my experience with this topic, my very very intimate experience
Speaker 1: of this topic. So he claims that he doesn't want
Speaker 1: his daughter on TikTok, which I can understand. It's too
Speaker 1: much and she could have a private account with just
Speaker 1: people to follow her. She doesn't need to be with
Speaker 1: six and a half million people if both parents don't
Speaker 1: want that, And that's the thing. The decision making would
Speaker 1: be a critical factor in whether or not that was okay.
Speaker 1: But I'm sure that he will not be getting decision
Speaker 1: making because he's not making rational decisions in his own life,
Speaker 1: so he's committing custody suicide. So first and foremost, he's
Speaker 1: entitled do not want his daughter to be on TikTok.
Speaker 1: That's a little difficult to digest after he has been
Speaker 1: participating in a show where his daughter has been on it,
Speaker 1: and their entire lives have been documented as they soar
Speaker 1: to a family of billionaires, So deciding that you want
Speaker 1: to get off the right afterwards, which we've discussed before,
Speaker 1: doesn't really hold water. But he's entitled as a parent
Speaker 1: to not want his child to be posting for six
Speaker 1: and a half million people, and that would be a
Speaker 1: thing that if they had joint decision making, both would make.
Speaker 1: I probably I can guarantee he will not be getting
Speaker 1: decision making. But I also mentioned before that playing to
Speaker 1: the court of public opinion and just begging for one
Speaker 1: of us to jump up and say, we think you're right,
Speaker 1: and we understand what you're saying. And he does make
Speaker 1: valid points. In his haze of irrational irrational text tweets
Speaker 1: and and posts, he makes certain points. He says that
Speaker 1: he felt like he was on a ride he never
Speaker 1: had his own Christmas at his own house every year
Speaker 1: it was at their house. Okay, you signed up for that,
Speaker 1: you did that for that many years. And I'm sure
Speaker 1: it's hard for him to watch the machine keep going
Speaker 1: without him on it. And I'm sure it's hard that
Speaker 1: even though he's so public and every girlfriend he's dating,
Speaker 1: whether Kim look like or not, so public, but Kim
Speaker 1: is way more public. So to see your ex publicly
Speaker 1: out there isn't easy. And I'm sure the fact that
Speaker 1: he went to help him on SNL because he has
Speaker 1: been her mentor in many ways, and to help her
Speaker 1: and then have her kiss the guy she's on the
Speaker 1: show with and realized that they were together or have
Speaker 1: hung out before, that's a tough pill to swallow too.
Speaker 1: So all of this could have driven him even more crazy.
Speaker 1: It's the perfect storm. Where before he had some illness
Speaker 1: that he was managing, and now this is the perfect
Speaker 1: storm and an explosion. But what he's doing, as I mentioned,
Speaker 1: is just it's it's just it lacks logic, but again
Speaker 1: mental illness. But okay, but he's very logical when he's
Speaker 1: marketing a product. Okay, So I just want to talk
Speaker 1: about this because I for the better part of a decade,
Speaker 1: was the victim of something very similar to this, that
Speaker 1: very similar to this, but no one knew about it.
Speaker 1: I was under gag order and wasn't allowed to talk
Speaker 1: about it, and I, foolishly, just like the girls of
Speaker 1: the Me too generations, should have talked about it. I
Speaker 1: should have played videos for UH people to hear me
Speaker 1: in court officials to hear the abuse that I was experiencing.
Speaker 1: But the good news for him is that it's out there.
Speaker 1: She has it all documented or lawyers have it documented.
Speaker 1: The judge will see it. It's out there, and she
Speaker 1: shines in this scenario. I had a situation where for
Speaker 1: the better part of a decade, I was first being recorded.
Speaker 1: For months, I was my email was hacked into, I
Speaker 1: was defrauded, I was followed, I was taunted and emailed
Speaker 1: the most vicious things day and night, and in any
Speaker 1: category one it would be focusing on any men I
Speaker 1: would talk to or go out on dates with your
Speaker 1: disgusting and it's a revolving door of men and say
Speaker 1: to you know, my you know, and and and do
Speaker 1: that in front of my child and discuss, oh, mommy
Speaker 1: must be out and she must be doing this, and
Speaker 1: she must be doing that, or then another time because
Speaker 1: I happened to be out to dinner um and I
Speaker 1: used to cut lee for forty five minutes because I
Speaker 1: was so panicked because of these types of emails. I
Speaker 1: almost I started to believe it. You start to believe
Speaker 1: the things people say to you, and those of you
Speaker 1: who have experienced emotional abuse or harassment or stalking, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about. Where if I left for
Speaker 1: forty five minutes to go out to dinner, I was
Speaker 1: called disgusting, a terrible parent, And there was a bomb
Speaker 1: scare on my street one time that I left for
Speaker 1: forty five minutes, and I rushed back and had to
Speaker 1: write an email, obviously to the other parent about what
Speaker 1: had happened. But I was terrified to do so because
Speaker 1: I knew that I would suffer abuse, and it was
Speaker 1: You're disgusting. What kind of parent leaves their child during
Speaker 1: a bomb scare? So I used to be panicked for
Speaker 1: years to ever go out. I still have it. I
Speaker 1: never ever go out. I've never had a nanny. I'm
Speaker 1: with my daughter all the time that I have her,
Speaker 1: to the point where it's probably not the best for me.
Speaker 1: I never learned the skill of separating from my child,
Speaker 1: because I was literally abused for years. If I left
Speaker 1: my daughter for an hour, any any anything was a
Speaker 1: source of attack. Anything negative that the press said about
Speaker 1: me was so like, ha, ha heard yet a bad day.
Speaker 1: L O, L You're disgusting and desperate and irrelevant, and
Speaker 1: I guess you're your fifteen minutes is up soon? And
Speaker 1: but all day every day, and if I was when
Speaker 1: I was with Dennis, we would get emails and he
Speaker 1: would be cced on all of them about minutia, about
Speaker 1: anything like all day, to the point where he had
Speaker 1: to get a season desist. But I was dealing with
Speaker 1: this alone. Nobody else knew, and I was the bad guy.
Speaker 1: I was the one who's the wealthy, successful person and
Speaker 1: broke up with the regular guy, and he was the victim.
Speaker 1: And it was terrible because inside you know that you've
Speaker 1: been suffering this torture, and it's not really recognized, meaning
Speaker 1: if you're not if someone's not putting lit cigarettes out
Speaker 1: on you or pulling you and dragging you by your hair,
Speaker 1: beating you, it's not recognized as abuse. And I knew
Speaker 1: it was abuse, and I kept saying it was abuse,
Speaker 1: and I had thousands of emails over the years, and
Speaker 1: and and and stalking and harassment and proof and things
Speaker 1: that would be said to me, You know, your publicist
Speaker 1: is going to be in the corner crying, I'll have
Speaker 1: your I'll have your publicist in the corner, crying I'm
Speaker 1: going to destroy your life, looking over my child's shoulder
Speaker 1: and laughing in my face, crawling into my bed and
Speaker 1: staring at me, me going into Brent's bread to bed
Speaker 1: to read a story and crawling into a twin bed
Speaker 1: and saying everything okay, me calling me face timing, and
Speaker 1: having a person not the child's face, come into the
Speaker 1: phone and look at you, okay, Are you having a
Speaker 1: good day? Are you having a good day? But keeping
Speaker 1: the phone on. So it seemed if it was ever
Speaker 1: put in a court of law like we like there
Speaker 1: was a conversation that happened between my daughter, but it
Speaker 1: didn't happen between my daughter or me having to call
Speaker 1: eleven times in a row from from Australia to try
Speaker 1: to get in touch with my daughter, but and then
Speaker 1: have the phone answered and make it seem like we
Speaker 1: had been on the phone and I knew what was
Speaker 1: going on. It was taunting. It was very targeted harassment,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't public which was very smart, because if
Speaker 1: it's not done publicly, it didn't happen. So in this
Speaker 1: kid's situation, Kanye is doing it publicly. She has vindication.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure she went through years and years of
Speaker 1: different things happening at home that her family saw that
Speaker 1: they kept under wraps. And I'm sure she had financial
Speaker 1: ties to him in different reasons and kids that she
Speaker 1: couldn't leave for, or God knows what was going on. Um.
Speaker 1: So I have experiences in a very public way, and
Speaker 1: even now, I'm very very careful about how I discuss it.
Speaker 1: Um My daughter's on her computer or phone a lot.
Speaker 1: It sounds crazy. She's just not a person who googles.
Speaker 1: She's just not that girl. And I hold back because
Speaker 1: I don't want her to read about this. But I
Speaker 1: I go forth in a very measured way because I
Speaker 1: know that there are thousands of women who have written
Speaker 1: to me saying that they've experienced this. Now, like Kim Kardashian,
Speaker 1: who's wealthy, it's hard to imagine that someone could have
Speaker 1: a stranglehold on her. He's wealthy too, He's wealthier than
Speaker 1: she is, but I was the was the moneyed spouse,
Speaker 1: and I had another I had a partner that wasn't
Speaker 1: And with all the money and the power and the
Speaker 1: success that I have, it didn't matter. If someone wants
Speaker 1: to torture you and torment you, they can, So the
Speaker 1: laws have to change. And there are so many patterns
Speaker 1: you can see it. Parental alienation is one where your
Speaker 1: child is, you know, going back to you, and the
Speaker 1: parents says to the child, I know you don't want
Speaker 1: to go with mom, I know, I know. Don't worry,
Speaker 1: You'll be back with daddy soon. When you said that
Speaker 1: to a two year old, that's like hypnotism. They don't
Speaker 1: know what it means, but it's sort of nuanced and
Speaker 1: also nuanced in that's the villain. The other parent is
Speaker 1: the villain. When a parent says about to the child,
Speaker 1: mommy's ursula, the mommy's ursula, the witch. She's a good witch.
Speaker 1: But it's a child, so it's not like a seven
Speaker 1: year old is gonna say, what are you talking about.
Speaker 1: It's a two year old. There's like, you know, confused,
Speaker 1: but that stuff is embedded in them and they remember
Speaker 1: it and they feel it and it gives them problems later,
Speaker 1: and they later have serious issues about it, because it
Speaker 1: all floods in when they become a certain age and
Speaker 1: at a situation with the pandemic. Were in one shot.
Speaker 1: We were all home and anxiety set in, and my
Speaker 1: daughter did not want to leave me at all, and
Speaker 1: all of the feelings of things that she had heard
Speaker 1: from one side and from other family members, poisoning, poisoning
Speaker 1: about me. It all flooded in at the same time.
Speaker 1: And it's not that easy to talk to legal professionals
Speaker 1: about things like this. When your child won't get in
Speaker 1: a car. Legal professionals get your kid in a car.
Speaker 1: That's what the schedule says. Well, the schedule doesn't speak
Speaker 1: for emotional torture and hives and hyperventilating and things like that.
Speaker 1: So the only thing I could say for Kim is
Speaker 1: that it's out, and she's she's away from him. It's out.
Speaker 1: He's now hopefully been side. He's been silenced for one
Speaker 1: day by Instagram, and who knows what will happen next.
Speaker 1: But I can tell you this, these people that do this,
Speaker 1: and I don't know the Kanye is necessarily one of them.
Speaker 1: I'm only watching from the outside in these people that
Speaker 1: do this, they find pockets. You go through the door. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me say this about you. Let me talk about
Speaker 1: the person you're dating. Let me let me torment you
Speaker 1: about that. Okay, that didn't work. You shut it down.
Speaker 1: Someone said you're not allowed to do that. Okay. Let
Speaker 1: me have you followed. Let me have you followed. Let
Speaker 1: me read all your emails. Let me tell you that
Speaker 1: I know where you are with that you knowing how? Okay,
Speaker 1: Let me try finances. Let me try to forge documents
Speaker 1: and identity theft so you don't so I can go
Speaker 1: after your property, but you have to legally go through
Speaker 1: years and years of steps and millions of dollars to
Speaker 1: get it back. Okay, that didn't work. Let me try
Speaker 1: see seeing some once you're in a relationship with day
Speaker 1: and night. Se see all your friends, you see some
Speaker 1: in your relationship. Let me try talking about the men.
Speaker 1: You make these notebooks if this is happening to you,
Speaker 1: because patterns. One email is nothing, fifty of them is
Speaker 1: a pattern. So you make these tabs, it's abuse overall.
Speaker 1: One tab is on men. Who are you with? What
Speaker 1: are you doing? Oh? I guess you with another guy?
Speaker 1: I guessed as in a revolving door. I guess you're
Speaker 1: a slut. I guess you're this another one. Bad parenting,
Speaker 1: you're or old, you're ugly, you're old, you're irrelevant, you're disgusting,
Speaker 1: you're desperate. Okay, that's just general insults. This sounds crazy,
Speaker 1: but it's like you're in school with your notebooks. People
Speaker 1: ask me about the notebooks I had. It's like you
Speaker 1: have a binder science, math, history. That's what it is.
Speaker 1: And it's sad, but you you have to take care
Speaker 1: of yourself if something like this goes on, and you've
Speaker 1: got to document everything and be organized about it. But
Speaker 1: more importantly, if you see some ends of this, which
Speaker 1: I did before, long before I couldn't get out, You
Speaker 1: see little signs, little comments. You have a miscarriage, and
Speaker 1: someone says, because you said afterwards, you're secretly relieved because
Speaker 1: you didn't think that the relationship was what it was.
Speaker 1: You're a piece of ship. Someone calls you after a miscarriage.
Speaker 1: You start to think later, oh, when someone calls you
Speaker 1: a piece of ship, maybe you should listen. Maybe you
Speaker 1: should listen and not go deeper and think you imagined it.
Speaker 1: When you see red flags they're actually red flags. So
Speaker 1: lock the door before you get robbed. I can guarantee
Speaker 1: I will await Kim sit down interview and the book
Speaker 1: and when she talks and she says that there were
Speaker 1: a lot of signs of this behavior. But he was
Speaker 1: charismatic and interesting and wonderful. And yes, I said on
Speaker 1: Twitter he was a marketing genius, because he is and
Speaker 1: a marketing genius. And by the way, I don't know him,
Speaker 1: I do believe he has he has some valid points
Speaker 1: about the things that bother him. But you are so
Speaker 1: so hating your ex more than loving your child if
Speaker 1: you're playing this out in public, and you're a hypocrite
Speaker 1: because playing this out in public while saying you don't
Speaker 1: want your daughter on TikTok, posting your daughter on TikTok
Speaker 1: on Instagram saying I don't approve of her being on
Speaker 1: TikTok is moronic. It is it is hypocritical. It is
Speaker 1: a bag of bullshit. So you can pretend you're the priest, God,
Speaker 1: the Messiah, and Donald Trump wrapped all up in one.
Speaker 1: But I'm calling bullshit. So he may be mentally ill,
Speaker 1: but somehow he finds a way to be sane when
Speaker 1: he has to market a product, and somehow he finds
Speaker 1: a way to be hypocritical when he's posting his kid
Speaker 1: on Instagram that he doesn't want to TikTok. But the
Speaker 1: good news is it's out. The judge sees, the court sees,
Speaker 1: the lawyers see, they are scribbling their notes, they're making tabs,
Speaker 1: and this man does not have a snowballs chance in
Speaker 1: hell of having decision making. And no matter what now,
Speaker 1: no matter what, even if he doesn't do something wrong forever,
Speaker 1: because he's done this, no one will give him the
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. It is the boy who cried wolf,
Speaker 1: like this time, oh there's really a wolf. No one's
Speaker 1: gonna believe you because for all this time you behave
Speaker 1: this way. So let's say, you know so, now he's
Speaker 1: put himself in a corner and she's got all the
Speaker 1: custody cards and she's got control over those children. So
Speaker 1: he made his bed. And you can't geasy your way
Speaker 1: out of this one. And you can't financially get jo
Speaker 1: out of this one. Judges make a hundred and something
Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year. Okay, they don't give a funk
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