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Speaker 1: I've unsubscribed to the Kimmey drama. But yet I'm still

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Speaker 1: getting these messages. So we're all witnessing something that's very public.

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Speaker 1: There's so much to unpack. I want to discuss my

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Speaker 1: so he's committing custody suicide. So first and foremost, he's

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Speaker 1: That's a little difficult to digest after he has been

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Speaker 1: and we understand what you're saying. And he does make

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Speaker 1: valid points. In his haze of irrational irrational text tweets

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Speaker 1: even though he's so public and every girlfriend he's dating,

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Speaker 1: So all of this could have driven him even more crazy.

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Speaker 1: It's the perfect storm. Where before he had some illness

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Speaker 1: And it's not that easy to talk to legal professionals

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Speaker 1: I know where you are with that you knowing how? Okay,

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Speaker 1: Let me try finances. Let me try to forge documents

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Speaker 1: see seeing some once you're in a relationship with day

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Speaker 1: You make these notebooks if this is happening to you,

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Speaker 1: because patterns. One email is nothing, fifty of them is

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Speaker 1: One tab is on men. Who are you with? What

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Speaker 1: you're desperate. Okay, that's just general insults. This sounds crazy,

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Speaker 1: When you see red flags they're actually red flags. So

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Speaker 1: you're playing this out in public, and you're a hypocrite

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Speaker 1: because playing this out in public while saying you don't

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