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Speaker 1: put the makeup on. It takes about three and a

428
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Speaker 1: half to four hours from start to finish to be

429
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Speaker 1: in full glam and drag to walk out the door.

430
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Speaker 1: So what I love to have that. I'm back girl, yes, ma'am.

431
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 1: But it's the part of the job. It's you're part.

432
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 1: You're working while you're sitting in glam. That's just like

433
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Speaker 1: part of the hours on the job. I get it,

434
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Speaker 1: and I would think, but I would think it affects

435
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Speaker 1: your skin. I would think it. You could write a

436
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Speaker 1: book in glam You could write a book. Yeah, I

437
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,160
Speaker 1: would think it affects your skin. I just it's it's

438
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 1: so that that part to me, But that's you know,

439
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 1: that's that's maybe you wouldn't like doing half the things

440
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Speaker 1: I do. If I can just say this as well,

441
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: I think that you know, and I did listen to

442
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Speaker 1: the conversation that you had on the interview, um and

443
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,439
Speaker 1: when you were just having your solo conversation the beginning

444
00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 1: about this, and I think that it gives a great

445
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Speaker 1: opportunity for parents to have the conversation with their kids

446
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,680
Speaker 1: because a lot of kids are already having these conversations

447
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Speaker 1: about pronouns, even amongst themselves, and sometimes even at a

448
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Speaker 1: very young age like nine and ten. So a lot

449
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Speaker 1: of times parents and I'm no parent, but I do

450
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 1: have nieces and nephew that I'm very close to, and

451
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,959
Speaker 1: their range from like age five right now to twelve,

452
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 1: and it's in that time where they're having a lot

453
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Speaker 1: of conversations that I'm like, well, we never had that

454
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: conversation as a kid, but it forces me to have

455
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 1: that combo with them. And I think that's the most

456
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 1: important thing is that they're able to come to you.

457
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: And I think just by following you on Instagram, I

458
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: know you and your daughter have a very close relationship.

459
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 1: And the fact that she can share things with you

460
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: when she is confused and open that opportunity for you

461
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,160
Speaker 1: to have that conversation with her, that's a real thing.

462
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: And I think both of us agree that it's so

463
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Speaker 1: important to have inclusivity with regard to the trans community,

464
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 1: and it's just a greater conversation. I think that needs

465
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Speaker 1: to continue to having conversations like these need to continue

466
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Speaker 1: to happen because there are so many people that are

467
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: either a uncomfortable with it, be don't understand it, or

468
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: don't support it. Trust me. On our show we go

469
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,000
Speaker 1: to small conservative times across America. But it's not just

470
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 1: in conservative spaces that people have difficult feelings or conversations

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Speaker 1: about all of our g B, t Q I plus right.

472
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Speaker 1: But the more that we can here listen and then

473
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Speaker 1: be able to educate and everybody is different, but for me,

474
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 1: I think that's the way that we can get to

475
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 1: a greater place of understanding because we ain't going nowhere. No.

476
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: Because sexuality is one thing, gender is another thing, Like

477
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 1: there's an education, there's a language, and that's happening with race,

478
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 1: that's happening with gender and sexuality, that's happening with the workplace.

479
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 1: That's happening with me too. There's a lot to learn.

480
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: And I didn't get a script because I don't work

481
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 1: like that. I'm having a conversation. I'm not exerting some opinion.

482
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 1: I'm I'm learning too, but I'm also learning, you know,

483
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm also learning. I grew up in the South with

484
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: a different community at times, in a different period, and

485
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Speaker 1: so I think it's important for me to also be educated.

486
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Speaker 1: So I think the good thing is that we're going

487
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 1: to keep the conversation going. I and I feel truly

488
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: that you're open to listening and learning as we all

489
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: do as we continue to grow, and also being a

490
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Speaker 1: great parent. And also I think what's what was more

491
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: important to me was not to be like so many

492
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 1: celebrities that I know that I know personally that are

493
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 1: terrified twenty four hours a day because they're public and there.

494
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 1: They can't make a step, they can't do anything. They

495
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 1: would never do this podcast, they would never choose to

496
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: have these conversations, They would never flirt with cancelation daily.

497
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Speaker 1: But what was more important to me than anything was

498
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Speaker 1: to not just be terrified back down, give some fakes

499
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Speaker 1: saccarin apology to for fear of cancelation. That's why I

500
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: was saying, no, like, let's have the conversation and that's okay,

501
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: but you don't want me to be some filtered water down.

502
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: There's so many people that are on Instagram every day

503
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 1: just bullshitting everybody because it's what they think that the

504
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: public wants to hear. But secretly, behind the scenes, they're

505
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,439
Speaker 1: saying what they really feel. That's not healthy. When we

506
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: have like a great platform like you talk incredibly do

507
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 1: with this, I think we both understand that there's a

508
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 1: certain responsibility that we have not to be able to

509
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Speaker 1: just say anything because I didn't forgive me. I don't

510
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 1: want to paraphrase or say the wrong thing. But there

511
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,479
Speaker 1: was a statement in that conversation where you said, well,

512
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Speaker 1: maybe I'll just send my daughter to a different place,

513
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: and I think in my listening to it, it was

514
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: more along the lines of the kind of sexual experience,

515
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: not sex, but people showing their own genitalia at a

516
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Speaker 1: girl's camp or just at a camp in general. Because

517
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Speaker 1: I don't know. It was a counselor. By the way,

518
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Speaker 1: that wasn't the camper. There was a counselor. It was

519
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: a counselor that that that showed their genitalia. This wasn't

520
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: even my child. But I send my daughter to a

521
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: specific school because it's or I don't want to say

522
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,959
Speaker 1: with school, because it's artsy versus very competitive academically. So

523
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Speaker 1: that's a place where I think that she's going to thrive.

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Speaker 1: So if my daughter, um, if my daughter identified as

525
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Speaker 1: being male, I might want her to be surrounded with

526
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Speaker 1: other people who had that same experience to have that

527
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: conversation and not bet with kids that have know what

528
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: you know that are going to have that kind of reaction.

529
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 1: It is important to have that visibility, I think for

530
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: anyone's community that you feel they are in to be

531
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: able to like I loved being able to see, even

532
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: as a kid, if I got glimpses of gay people

533
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: or drag queens on television, or just know about their existence.

534
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: I think it is important to be around like people. However,

535
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: we don't have the choice to pick and choose where

536
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna go to be in those communities. I grew

537
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: up I went to public school, Honey, there was no

538
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,239
Speaker 1: we're gonna put DJ around just the gay theyre just

539
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,919
Speaker 1: the black kids. They put me around everybody, and we

540
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: learned how to grow and navigate through And I think

541
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: that's a really cool thing is when you can you

542
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 1: know in life that you can't pick the people that

543
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 1: you're gonna be around. We can't choose our circles at

544
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: all times. We can learn more about all the different

545
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: circles where cultures, and that makes us all awesome and

546
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: better people. And that's why I love you so much

547
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: because I think you're that's what you're totally interested in.

548
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 1: The irony of the whole conversation was we were saying

549
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: the same thing, and that's why it has to be

550
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,800
Speaker 1: a conversation. So Okay, we're gonna go longer because I

551
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 1: want to get into your business. But I think that

552
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: that was important conversation and I'm grateful for it. And And

553
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: if you want to thank you for feeling safe, just

554
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: thank you for feeling safe to have that combo with me.

555
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 1: And I think that you know, everyone doesn't sign up

556
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: for you know, I hear a lot of people say, well, honey,

557
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: I'm tired of having the conversation. I'm tired of educating people,

558
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: and that's everyone's perspective, that everyone has allowed their individual perspective.

559
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: For me, I'm down to have the combos, even the

560
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: difficult ones, and I felt safe to have that with me. Yeah.

561
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: Now let's get into you. So you lived in your

562
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: house in Paris, Texas, single mother. Southern, you said, Southern Baptist. Yes,

563
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: my grandparents are very strong Southern Baptist. I grew up

564
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Speaker 1: in the church. I was at one point the piano player, Honey,

565
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: I was the choir director. I was never a soloist

566
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: at that time. But um, I that's why I really

567
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: grew to have a great love, have great faith and hope.

568
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: But I always felt like I didn't fit in a

569
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: lot of times in some of those spaces and places,

570
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: especially when we have preachers that were preaching about you know,

571
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: homosexualities of sin and wrong. But it didn't stop me

572
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: from being me. I still was super active in school.

573
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a natural born leader. I think you and

574
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: I both are scorpios in that way where we're like, zoom,

575
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: let's go out and get it. And then it was

576
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: the first in my family to graduate and go to college. Um,

577
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: I got a huge leadership scholarship from s m U

578
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: in Dallas where I went and separated from you, thank you, um,

579
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 1: and had a lot of great opportunity there which now

580
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: i've just let's go many a decade and a half

581
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: later and I am um now on the advisory board

582
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: for the Meddle School the Arts back at s m

583
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Speaker 1: U as a drag queen entertainer, as a drag queen

584
00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: and entertainer, which is amazing for that particular school. Um.

585
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 1: So who drew who or what drove success in your house?

586
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: What was the relationship and concept of money and what

587
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: it meant to be successful? And what work ethic was?

588
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: What was that path like and what was that like

589
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: in your house? Okay, let me break it down for

590
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: you in uh in two tracks here one with regard

591
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: to the work ethic, I always saw workers in my family.

592
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: My grandpa was a farmer. Okay, he was death so

593
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: he couldn't hear very well in the black community. He

594
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: was hard to hear him. You had to yell at Granddaddy.

595
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: He had to watch your mouth for you to be

596
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: able to hear him. But he had cows and hogs

597
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: and he used to go around town and he would

598
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: pick up other people's garbage in the back of his

599
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: truck and big barrels, take it out to his hog

600
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: band and feed the hogs and do that. I saw

601
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: him working from six am every day until it was

602
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: nighttime at night, and his boots would come home muddy.

603
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: And that was my grandpa. My grandma wasn't housewife, but

604
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: she ran everything in there. And my mom, I think

605
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 1: the hardest working example in my life and my family.

606
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: You know, she went to the military, she came back.

607
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: My mom sometimes had three jobs at a time. She'd

608
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: be substitute teaching during the day, she'd have an office

609
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,959
Speaker 1: job in the afternoon, and then overnight she was stocking

610
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: vending machines at the local power plants here, in which

611
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: I would, you know, feeling like my mom worked so hard.

612
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: I'd want to help her out so much. She was

613
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 1: more focused on me, like just get the school work done,

614
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: be good in school. But I would wake up at

615
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: night go with her to the vending machines because I

616
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: knew she could pack them faster if I was there

617
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: with her, So I would like load the truck. She

618
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: would take the dolly and go inside pack the cans,

619
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: and honestly, seeing my mom worked so hard put in

620
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: my mind like, Okay, we don't have a lot of money.

621
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Speaker 1: We would always like, you know, trying to keep bills

622
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: from being late, or if they were like taking money

623
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: from here to pay this over here. Things we cut

624
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: off at times. I didn't want that, and I knew

625
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: I had an ability uh to relate to people. I

626
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: could see the way people responded to me. They were

627
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: very open to like me being involved in things, and

628
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: that's how I got involved in so much in school.

629
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: I was a student council president from the time I

630
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: was in sixth grade all the way until we were seniors,

631
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: and it involved in so many different things. But I

632
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: knew that I had an ability to get out there,

633
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: to create relationships and to make money for my family.

634
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: I had a job from the time that I was fourteen.

635
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: I started working as a stock market charity. Back in

636
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: the day, they used to have like just the newspaper

637
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: where you chart the markets, like commodity markets and stock markets.

638
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 1: I had a job doing that. I worked at a

639
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 1: retail selling shoes at Bell's work. I was a hustler

640
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: and I'm still a hustler. That's how I know that

641
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: I got to this place so that I am today

642
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: and I still have that hustle ability. Yeah, I can tell,

643
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: and in reading about you, I could tell. So I

644
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: want to get it focused, so I understand, and uh, here,

645
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: what is the brand? What exactly is the brand? What's

646
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: the trajectory? What's the goal? First of all, are you

647
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: do feel financially secure? Now? I do? Uh so much

648
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: so that I was able to in two thousand team

649
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: purchase a home for my grandma. I grew up in

650
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: a two bedroom house on the rough side of town,

651
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: and I moved us to a nice side of town

652
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: with a house with many more bedrooms. And my mom

653
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: came down and to help my grandma because she's in

654
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: a wheelchair now, but she's eighty three. But that being said,

655
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: that's the crowning jewel to me to be able to

656
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: provide for my family as well as for myself. Are

657
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: you in that house now? I am in this house today. Now.

658
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: I gotta go to Chicago to work this weekend, and

659
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,479
Speaker 1: I live in Los Angeles, but I am here today

660
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: and uh and you can't see much, but yeah, this

661
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: is the childhood bedroom here. Wow. Okay, So you were

662
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: able to provide for your family and now you're young,

663
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: So I want to hear about what your brand is

664
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: because there are so many different things that you're doing

665
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: and I can sort of tell that you are um

666
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: hunting and then you're gonna gather like you're doing this

667
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: like you you're just you're achieving success and a lot

668
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: of it's uh financial and um people are aware of you.

669
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: What's the goal, the trajectory? How do you organize all this?

670
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 1: I know that you've been on many, um many whatever

671
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: the word is, like seasons of Drag Race and you

672
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: haven't won, so that you could definitely tell people that

673
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: winning is definitely not everything for sure for sure. UM,

674
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: let me just say that, Yes, I did compete on

675
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: three separate seasons of RuPaul's Drag Race. Season two I

676
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: came in. I'd only been doing drag for like five months,

677
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: so I was a total baby. So the first one

678
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,439
Speaker 1: voted out and after that year, I was like, oh

679
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: my god, what have I done? Because you know, you

680
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 1: sign up for a reality competition show. In my mind, baby,

681
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: I was going to win, even though I didn't know

682
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: nothing really about being a drag when you putting everything

683
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: together myself. My mindset all my life has been I'm

684
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 1: going to win. So the prize at that time was

685
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: twenty dollars and for poor kid, I was like, maybears

686
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: be all my dreams country, I get it. That was

687
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 1: me on the Apprentice. Okay, Apprentice, I was all the

688
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: money in the world and I wanted the job, so okay,

689
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: I got that. Okay. Three days later, I was back

690
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: at the house and I was thinking, oh my gosh,

691
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 1: I quit my job because I was working p are

692
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: in l A. And I remember telling them I needed

693
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: three weeks off, but I'd set up all my clients

694
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: and everyone's gonna be fine. I had a backup plan,

695
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: and they said, where are you going to do? And

696
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: I said, I'm doing a competition reality show. It's called

697
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: Rupel's Drag Race. They had no idea that I had

698
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: even started doing drag, which I had only done it

699
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: ten times anyway, and they were like, well, that doesn't

700
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,959
Speaker 1: line up with our company's values and morals. I don't

701
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: if you do that show, we're gonna have to let

702
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: you go. And I told him, well, I came to

703
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: l A to work in television ultimately, so that's what

704
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,439
Speaker 1: I do. I'm gonna quit. So I left the job,

705
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: went to win the twenty thousand, came back home three

706
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: days later with no money, no job, and was like, oh,

707
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: I lost low, but I I don't stay low too long.

708
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: When I hit I had a fail button, I feel it,

709
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 1: and then I'm like, go back into hustlement. Same person,

710
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: same person when I didn't win the apparent, the same

711
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 1: exactly like you do it, you really get you do it,

712
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 1: you feel it, you go low and then you but

713
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: it almost fuels you even higher and you were before

714
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: because you just get a fresh, clean slate and it's

715
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: a new thing. Bethany, you are so right, because I

716
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I'm not gonna I knew

717
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,799
Speaker 1: that I had a time period between the time that

718
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: we filmed the show that year in November when they left.

719
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,799
Speaker 1: The show was going to start being promoted in January,

720
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: and the first episode was the into January, so I

721
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: knew I had about a three month period. No one

722
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: knew that I was not going to win, so and

723
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: it was the second season, so not many people were

724
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: chatting and talking things about spoilers and all that. So

725
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: I started calling up clubs. I started booking myself. I

726
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 1: was like, Hi, DJ Pierce, so you know I have Changela,

727
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 1: She's gonna be on the new season or RuPaul's drag Rays.

728
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 1: And people who knew me in l A from performing,

729
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,800
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, she's a great performance, she's winning. So baby,

730
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: I was booking the calendar up. So by the time

731
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 1: they saw that I was the first one off already

732
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: had contracts in places said I was booked. They couldn't

733
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: let me go unless they had to pay me. So

734
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: I went and did the job. But I've always been

735
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 1: a return client kind of girl. I'm a you're gonna

736
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: return and you're gonna buy again if you come one time.

737
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: And that's how I did my shows, Like I knew

738
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: that as a Dragon Attenner, I was also a salesperson

739
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: and I was in there selling myself. You asked me

740
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: what the brand is? The brand is Channgela me, And

741
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: that's difficult sometimes because you're like, okay, well, I'm My

742
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: brain sometimes does not stop because at night I'm even

743
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: thinking about the things that I've established and what I

744
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: want to do and how i'm you know, how I

745
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: want to be still visible and how to balance that

746
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: with work and life and family and still being me.

747
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's like, all right, because

748
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: you're right. I went to drag race three times. I

749
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: never won, but I never walked away not thinking I

750
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: was the queen. But when you say the brand is Channgel,

751
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: if I can give you just one piece of advice,

752
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: I think you have to write yourself a blur. But

753
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: you could say in an elevator and what it what

754
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: exactly that brand is and what that means? Is that

755
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: about that showing people exactly had a hustle and that

756
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: you can knock down, but I'll get right up again.

757
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: Whatever it means, we don't have to do it here.

758
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 1: And it means that every product you do, every endorsement

759
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: you do, every gig you do, every show you do,

760
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: with the exception of something some crazy money you can't

761
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: turn it down, should adhere to that line. Because I'm

762
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: because you're you're young, and I'm reading all the different

763
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: things you're doing. At some point you're going to have

764
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: to really take this into some sort of amazing monetize

765
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: able return on investment vortex where it's like even getting tight.

766
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: It's like a it's like a rough diamond that you

767
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: keep polishing until it's like this like de flawless time,

768
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: and that's just based on what I'm reading. But we're

769
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: getting there and talking to you, so you may actually

770
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,360
Speaker 1: even know what that diamond is. Um So, you said

771
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: the brand is Chandela, and I love that you said

772
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,839
Speaker 1: they were always going to come back, and I love

773
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: that you made it that the show. I don't know

774
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: if if the show always has the same people come back,

775
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: but that they brought you back so many times, says

776
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: so So. I was the very first person that they

777
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: brought back to compete again on the right that's different today.

778
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 1: I came back in an all star season to compete again,

779
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: and every time that I went back with another opportunity,

780
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: I felt I was on television. I wanted to represent

781
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: myself as an authentic person. And I honestly feel like

782
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: if you watch the show, even though there are moments

783
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: where it's heated and I'm not always you know, firing

784
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 1: on tin, but at the same point, the person that

785
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: you see on television is the same person that you

786
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: got right here in this podcast. And I stand by that,

787
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,439
Speaker 1: and I'm so thank you. I like you to thank you.

788
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: Um So, do you have money noise now? Like that

789
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 1: you're gonna go back to being broken, that you're gonna

790
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: lose it all, or like, what's what is your relationship

791
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: with money? I think if you ever grow up without,

792
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: you always have that feeling that I don't ever want

793
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 1: to be without again. And even with everything that I've

794
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: been able to create and build and I've been building

795
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 1: and I'm I'd like to say I'm smart about money.

796
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: I like to save it. I still drive the same

797
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 1: car that I own that I drove in college. Uh,

798
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 1: the houses that we have I own, um, but it's

799
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: I don't spend a lot of things on you know,

800
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: I've never you know, we didn't grow with a whole

801
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: bunch of labels and stuff. So I do have some

802
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: things that are luxury goods that I don't need them

803
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: and I don't need to showcase or share them to

804
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: know that I'm doing well. How I know that I'm

805
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: doing well as my family can you know, eat and

806
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: be taken care of. But I do always have that

807
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 1: mentality of I need more because you never know when

808
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 1: a rainy day will come. And we just had a

809
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: pandemic of a year that there were no drag shows,

810
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: that there was no touring that there were no in

811
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: person gigs, and thankfully I was able to navigate that

812
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: not in a space of fear or uncertainty, because I

813
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: had prepared for the rainy day well. And it also

814
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 1: probably if you are a person who doesn't get stunned,

815
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,760
Speaker 1: which I can already tell that you don't because you

816
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 1: you get knocked down and you take a minute, this

817
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: was probably a good time for you to sort of

818
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: plant seeds and nurture and organize and make plans versus

819
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: just being in, you know, in the entertainment world like entertaining.

820
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: But I read that you have helped your industry because

821
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: I didn't. Most people aren't thinking about the fact that

822
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: right the drag queen quote unquote industry shut down. That's

823
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: literally entertaining. You have to be out socializing. It's the

824
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 1: opposite of COVID nineteen. So that's something interesting to hear.

825
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: How many drag queens do you think there are in

826
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: this country? Oh, my god, hundreds of thousands, maybe millions.

827
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: Well you can tell that by the success of shows

828
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: like RuPaul's Drag Race that not only have more than

829
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: thirteen US seasons, but also franchises in multiple countries around

830
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: the world. And there still seems to be this great attraction.

831
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful that there is this interest in the

832
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,720
Speaker 1: world of drag and seeing it be more visible, especially

833
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: in television and film. So there are tons, tons, tons

834
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 1: And I love that you touched on the fact about

835
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: helping because um, you're someone who also does that. I mean,

836
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: I love the stuff that you do with the b

837
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: Strong Foundation and all the things that you do, and

838
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, how the heck does this lady do it?

839
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: Because that's what I'm like, I've I want to do too.

840
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: And when I during the pandemic, when I saw Lady

841
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: Gaga come together and say, look, I called thirty of

842
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: my friends, you know, and asked them each for a

843
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: million dollars and we're gonna help with the COVID nineteam

844
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 1: relieve Now, I ain't got thirty friends with a million

845
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: dollars to give that I know of, But um, I

846
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: knew that I wanted to help, and that's always been

847
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: a part of who I am. That's, you know, being

848
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: a kid seeing my grandma like make food for people

849
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: in our neighborhood after her came Maria. I remember, I

850
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: was the I can't speak to anyone else, but I

851
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: knew I wanted to do something, So I hopped to

852
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: flight myself when not many people were evil able to

853
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: get a flight down into Puerto Rico. Flew down there

854
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: and took some meals from Delta and went and gave

855
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: them out in the community, went to the Salvation Army,

856
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: did some stuff for only I only had two days off.

857
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: I mean it was seventeen was a big touring gear

858
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: for me. So I went down there and did that

859
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: with my friend and came back and didn't encourage people

860
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: to vote for to give. And with regards to the pandemic,

861
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: I knew that so many of our dragon attain were

862
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,879
Speaker 1: out of work and they were having hunger issues because

863
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: they ain't got no money to buy food. So I

864
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: I know my gift is and I'm so grateful to

865
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: have not only a platform, but I'm able to connect

866
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: with people. And so I was able to create this

867
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: organization called Feed the Queens. I literally did it in

868
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: this bedroom. I was here like with just a notepad

869
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: because I always I make lists. That's how I started

870
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 1: to something like that. Yeah, that's how I started to

871
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: I just had the idea to do it, and so

872
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: um luckily I was able to work. I'm knocked on

873
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: a lot of doors, a lot of nonprofits, God bless them.

874
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: But they didn't want to work with me because they

875
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: were like, well, you're not a five or one C three.

876
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: It's a whole bunch of red tape. And they don't

877
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 1: think that's a real issue. They think that's don't think

878
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: that's a real issue. Yeah, And so thankfully the Actor's

879
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,359
Speaker 1: Fund was like, we'll do it, and we won't charge you,

880
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: we won't take an overhead. Every dollar that was donated,

881
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: we were able to. I called up some of my

882
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: dragon retainer friends and we were able to raise in

883
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: one year a hundred thousand dollars to provide food grants

884
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: of four dollars each to every dract that applied to

885
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: get a food grant. We did like these little instru

886
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: that's yeah, I I do the cash cards for people

887
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: were doing it right now in Louisiana. So I know it.

888
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: But you just brought up something that can be related

889
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: to business. So you helped in Puerto Rico, but you

890
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: sort of felt like it was a one off and

891
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: you didn't know how to really make it uh something

892
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: you could have a real great impact, not that that

893
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: wasn't impactful, but meaning it sounds like for people listening

894
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: who want to help in some way, because so many

895
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: people ask me, so many people do want to help

896
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: a It's like business. You have to be organized, you

897
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: have to be thorough, you have to be transparent, you

898
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 1: have to get frustrated. It's like starting a business, doing

899
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: a startup, which is challenging. But if it's something that

900
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: affects you, so just think about what affects you. It's

901
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: like business. If it's something you care about, you'll be

902
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 1: able to probably successful at it. So it sounds like

903
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: that's something that directly affects you, something that you understand

904
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: and something you have a connection to, so you can

905
00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: have a greater impact. What about your romantic life? I'm

906
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: bethan to get in to see girl. You know what,

907
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: being a person who's been on the road for like

908
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: the last ten years, it's really difficult to build a strong, trusting,

909
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: one on one relationship and I just haven't been able

910
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: to do that yet. So am I currently dating anyone

911
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: in a relationship? No, I'm not. I love love. I

912
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: can watch a j Lo movie Boo and be like,

913
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: oh I love this, whereas I want to be the

914
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: wedding planner. You know, I've been maid in Manhattan. But

915
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: as for a particular relationship for myself and this moment,

916
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: I don't have it. Am I entertaining the thought? Especially

917
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 1: during the pandemic, when you're sitting down here by yourself,

918
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: you know you're like, well, who's gonna help take care

919
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: of you? I'm in this house of myself. Who's backs

920
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 1: that didn't love? But um no, it has not happened yet,

921
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: so I'm just throwing work. Oh God, yes, and this relationship.

922
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,240
Speaker 1: You want to be married, I think that would be awesome,

923
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: But um I just I would love to date first,

924
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 1: and I would love to be able to build like trust.

925
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: But I'm not in a place, one place at the

926
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 1: time long enough to really find that person, or I

927
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: haven't found them yet. So we'll see, Okay, we'll see.

928
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: What percentage do you think you are lucky and what

929
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: percentage smart? Well, I definitely know that I'm lucky. I

930
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: am incredibly lucky, but I'm also very smart. If we

931
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: were talking percentages, I would let's go sixty forty sixty smart,

932
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: forty lucky, maybe even seventy thirty seventy smart thirty lucky

933
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: because I never won drag Race, but I was really lucky.

934
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: I would have wanted. Okay, but or maybe not, because

935
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, I think my entire journey and people seeing

936
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: me grow up as a Dragon entertainment right in front

937
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: of them, Um is I'm lucky in that respect because

938
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: maybe they've seen me and know that changel never won,

939
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: but she never gave up, and here she is today.

940
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: That's the brand. You just said it all one, but

941
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 1: she never gave up. Hallelu and thank you and see

942
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to remember that because I think the overarching

943
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,479
Speaker 1: brand most definitely is that, and a part of how

944
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: I represent that is through creating businesses, creating products. One

945
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: of those businesses is like, say what entertainment. It's a

946
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: management company that I created because I had just been

947
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 1: ripped off so many times by managers. When we came

948
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 1: out of Drag Racist Reality people, there was no there's

949
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: no map that says and now here's how you make

950
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,280
Speaker 1: it to success or stardom. We just were like, okay,

951
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 1: now what do we do? That's why I say seven

952
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: sixty smart because I knew that I was gonna have

953
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: to represent myself a lot of times. And even when

954
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: I was working with people that weren't honest in that

955
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: stole for me. It helped me and motivated me to go,

956
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: you know what, I can do this. Not only can

957
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,359
Speaker 1: I do it for myself, but I'm going to create

958
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: an organization that helps does it, that helps to do

959
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: it for my sisters from drag Race. So we managed

960
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 1: now three to four queens. My partner Ron Davis, and

961
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: I managed them through our organizations Say What Entertainment then

962
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: and also on products like even in the pandemic I created,

963
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: I gotta show you this because you know, if it

964
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: wouldn't be me, I watched the big shot. Honey, I

965
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: always shoot the shot. Um. This is called sanitizer that

966
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,919
Speaker 1: proved uh scented hand Sanitizer comes in three different sents.

967
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: I'm sending you something. Yes, I love what a great name.

968
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, And it's like Changels shanitizer. It's fabulous.

969
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: It spray on you, rab it on. And this one

970
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: is called sugar Daddy because you know I had his

971
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 1: rant about I don't have a sugar dad and never

972
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: had a sugar daddy. And the other one is called

973
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: professional and it's a fresh like Linen Scent, and ten

974
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 1: percent of each of these purchases goes back into Feed

975
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 1: the Queens, the organization that helps to provide food grants

976
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: out of work Dragon. But I love that for all

977
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 1: of the like for pride, for floats, when everyone's on

978
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: top of each other, like crowded in drag clubs, like

979
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: those are big major events. Maybe you could get, you know,

980
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: like a deal with them. That's a great name. I

981
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: love that, and that's so that's great, that's so on brand. Um.

982
00:48:58,040 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's your brand, and that should be all

983
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: every anthing that you do should sort of adhere to that.

984
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: That it's about never giving up and going to get it.

985
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: And it's sort of about more about the journey than

986
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 1: the destination at the time because you never know what's

987
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: going to happen. And then I guess the last one

988
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: is for your career. What has been the rose and

989
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: the thorn, the high and the low? Um, I would

990
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: say that, let me start with the thorn. The thorn

991
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,439
Speaker 1: I think was the time that I broke my leg

992
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 1: on stage. That was a really rough one. Young girl.

993
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: I was on stage. I was doing a move that

994
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: I taught to the children on dance moms called the

995
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: death drop. Okay, I was doing the moved and I

996
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 1: was on stage Halloween, New York City. I was at

997
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: this club near downtown and when UP came down, broke

998
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: the tibia amphibula bones snapped them out the side of

999
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:46,879
Speaker 1: the leg. They didn't come through the pane hoose because

1000
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: you know, I wear support host but I saw the

1001
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: triangle and I laid there. I continue to, you know,

1002
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: do the number, and I was like and then when

1003
00:49:57,800 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: I tried to get up, I was like, oh, this

1004
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: is not good. They had to roll a guerney through

1005
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: the club because you know, New York didn't handle back

1006
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: interurance through the dance floor, and they rolled me out

1007
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: on Halloween and people were taking selfies and I was like, Hallelula,

1008
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: I'll be back. But I spent three weeks in Lenox

1009
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: Hill Hospital. Thank god, betthean I'm gonna tell you because

1010
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't grow up with no money, so

1011
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: we didn't have insurance, but I did. I just qualified

1012
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: that October one for SAG Blue Cross Blue Shiel p

1013
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: p O. And I never broken anything before and this

1014
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: and right on October thirty one, I did that leg.

1015
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: So they took me to Lenox Hill. Hallelu great doctors.

1016
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: I stayed there while they reset the leg. The swelling

1017
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: had to go down, and I remember thinking, what have

1018
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 1: I done and what am I going to do? I'm

1019
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 1: a dragon, you I perform, I'm a state, I'm on tour.

1020
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: I got all these tourist books. This is my bread

1021
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,439
Speaker 1: and butter in this moment, and now you know now

1022
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 1: here I am laid up in a hospital with one leg.

1023
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: But I pushed through the physical therapy. I pushed through.

1024
00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: I set a date for myself. I went back on

1025
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: touring mark of the next year. The doctor said, no,

1026
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: you can't go to August. I was like, baby, I'll

1027
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: go in flat boots and I did. Went to Australia, performed,

1028
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: had wheelchairs through the airport and then we'll get on

1029
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 1: stage and do my Channgelin numbers. And that helped me

1030
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 1: to overcome that the fear of being back on stage

1031
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: and performing, but also getting back to what I loved.

1032
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: So that was a thorn, but it pushed me to

1033
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: the thing well, I would really say my rose and

1034
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: there have been hot moments. I mean, I got to

1035
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: perform Beyonce for Beyonce, okay, at the glad Awards two

1036
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: thousand and eight. Yes, ma'am, we had to approve it,

1037
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: which I'm so grateful she did. She's like she was

1038
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:45,720
Speaker 1: the first number ever before and I performer. That's money.

1039
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 1: Whoever's on this, y'all give back to me a link

1040
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: to Channgela and when I tell you, at the end,

1041
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:54,760
Speaker 1: she and jay Z both gave me a standing ovation.

1042
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: She asked to meet me back in the room. So

1043
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: I get to go in there. Dress is Beyonce and

1044
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: channgelas Beyonce, and and I went and she was just like,

1045
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: you were so good, and that's I could tell you

1046
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: were in it because you know, I can see your face,

1047
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: you know. And I was like, thank you, because you

1048
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: are so in it. I wanted to honor you with

1049
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: this number and thank you. So I did a whole

1050
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 1: nine minute medley. They told me I had one song, babe,

1051
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 1: I did eight. You must have been so nervous, you

1052
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,919
Speaker 1: know what, people, I wasn't nervous until everyone kept coming

1053
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: up to me. Right before I was going on going Beyonce,

1054
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 1: she came out. She's sitting out there in the audience

1055
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: now like she came out to watch your performance. Thank you,

1056
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: Thank you so much awesome it was. That's awesome, all right.

1057
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 1: So that's a rose? Is that rose? I guess I

1058
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: think the biggest rose would be actually being back here

1059
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 1: in this house. I'm don't get emotional, but I've got

1060
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:56,439
Speaker 1: to tell you, growing up and going through situations where

1061
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: you didn't have a lot, and seeing everyone around me

1062
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: work so hard, um like hard work now or very

1063
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: hands dirty labor. I can see, like going around the

1064
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: house at night sometimes when we have my nieces and

1065
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: nephews over and they're all in different beds in different rooms,

1066
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: and you know, my mom moved from Dallas down to

1067
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,359
Speaker 1: Paris to help take care of my grandma, and I'm

1068
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: able to help support her while she's doing that. And

1069
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 1: seeing my grandma being just this large, comfortable space and

1070
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:28,839
Speaker 1: having people to help her even when I'm not able

1071
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: to be here, like that's the most awesome. I'm grateful

1072
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 1: that I have that relationship with my family because so

1073
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 1: many people do not, um. So I try to share it,

1074
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: you know, to a certain extent on online, to show

1075
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,439
Speaker 1: that there is love out here, and there is love

1076
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: even from your birth family. A lot of times, especially

1077
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: it's gay people. We don't have that relationship. A lot

1078
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: of times with our birth family. We go out there

1079
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 1: and we find a family. Well, I'm thankful that I've

1080
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: been able to find a chosen family but also still

1081
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: be really connected with the family that raised me. And

1082
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:02,240
Speaker 1: that's I'm probably just by nature of that relationship educating

1083
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 1: people in that area that are not as tolerant or open.

1084
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: So it's probably had a good effect totally. You know,

1085
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: you're successful in a completely different way from presented people

1086
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 1: in that area, you know, Southern Baptist, etcetera. So it's

1087
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,399
Speaker 1: probably been a great eye opening education. Yeah, and I'm

1088
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 1: still pushing. I like what you said. You know, one

1089
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: time my old boss, all old boss from years ago

1090
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: said to me, you know, I think it's like I

1091
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 1: was twenty one. I remember I was driving this guy

1092
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: to the airport and he said, Um, I admire you

1093
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: a lot. I think you you're gonna go far, but

1094
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 1: you you really are a jack of a lot of

1095
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: trades and a master of none and a jail of

1096
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 1: all trades. Yeah, hallelu hallelle, come on, come on, come on.

1097
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: That either she the up beyond the all of the above.

1098
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,959
Speaker 1: But I will tell you it is that kind of

1099
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: hurt in the moment because I was thinking, this guy

1100
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,879
Speaker 1: thinks that I don't I don't have a specific skill

1101
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 1: in any one of these. And then that's been in

1102
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: a portion of my life thinking I should cut everything

1103
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 1: and just do one thing, especially when I created ch Angela.

1104
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: But then I learned even with the with Angela, I'm

1105
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: able to go in so many different directions. When I

1106
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 1: got on reality TV, I thought, Okay, I will never

1107
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: be able to be an actor, but then I said, no,

1108
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna still go out here an audition and I

1109
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: want them to see me as an actor, and we

1110
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: actually have a film coming out next year. And then

1111
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: you know, and working in as a Dragon ortainer, sometimes

1112
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,439
Speaker 1: they don't take you serious as a business person walk

1113
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,839
Speaker 1: in the room, and I think it's a gift being

1114
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: able to be a Dragon entertainer and play between the

1115
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 1: genders at times, because you get a greater understanding of

1116
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:38,399
Speaker 1: how people respond and treat you differently sometimes when you

1117
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: are a different gender. Yes, but also being underestimated can

1118
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:45,240
Speaker 1: sometimes be a gift. Listen to the Suzanne Summer's pockets.

1119
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 1: They don't see you coming, they don't take you seriously,

1120
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: and sometimes better because they're just laughing and you're laughing.

1121
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 1: I did, and I gotta tell you I love listening

1122
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:56,479
Speaker 1: to her live for you as well as share all

1123
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 1: of her I mean, come on, it's stopmasters the intelligence

1124
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: they are and she's you know, they don't see you

1125
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: come and I think that blonde she was a domb

1126
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: blonde and you could be you know, you're a dumb

1127
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: drag queen and and they don't see that you're so

1128
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: smart and that's gonna be just know that. So then

1129
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: you have that going in. Okay, they're not gonna say, well,

1130
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,879
Speaker 1: I've got all these plans and I'm playing chess while

1131
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:19,719
Speaker 1: they're playing checkers. And then just the last thing I

1132
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 1: want to say to you is you can make that

1133
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 1: insurance thing for drag queens who are performing part of

1134
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 1: your charitable initiative, like making sure that they all have insurance,

1135
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: because that that really set you back as much as

1136
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: the pandemic not being able to perform. That could be

1137
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: part of your whole thing. Awesome. That was so great.

1138
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: What amazing. I always like, I don't even know you,

1139
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 1: and this was one of the best podcast we've done.

1140
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: And that's I mean, I've had serious people on here,

1141
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 1: but it's never what I expect. I mean, it's always

1142
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 1: some learning experience and a great conversation and a person

1143
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: I would never have met, which is why I love

1144
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 1: doing this podcast more than anything I've ever done. It's

1145
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: like you and I would never have had an hour

1146
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: and fifteen minute conversation. So this is awesome and it

1147
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: was great to meet you when I wish you all

1148
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 1: the luck in the world, and I can't wait to

1149
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: meet you in person and hear about like the next

1150
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: steps in the next chapter. It is to only gonna happen.

1151
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: And trust me, I'm telling Charlie right now, we're making

1152
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: sure you get you some of that. Shanita. This has

1153
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: meant so much to me. I really take this into

1154
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: I've had amazing moments in my life where I've been

1155
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: able to really I just you know, in thinking about

1156
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: things and loving things in my life, they come to me.

1157
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 1: That's how I ended up living in Jennifer Lewis, who's

1158
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: a great actress and friend of mine, in her basement

1159
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: for ten years, working my way up from being her

1160
00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: assistant to being her great friend and and learning so

1161
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: much with her as my mentor. I feel like I

1162
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: helped to create this moment as well, So thank you

1163
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: so so m Hopefully I'm one of the Roses in

1164
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: your bouquet. Come on, Rose, all right from the Titanic.

1165
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 1: That'll be my drag, Queen Ding, I'll be Rose. That's it, Rose.

1166
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: I want you to have a hat and I want

1167
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:59,439
Speaker 1: you to look like when you come out for your number.

1168
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: Do this that that. I love it? Okay, I love

1169
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: it all right? Well, thank you so much. Have a wonderful,

1170
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: wonderful day, okay. YouTube Bethany bye bye. Wow. I mean

1171
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: this is amazing. That was such a satisfying conversation that

1172
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: was so inspiring. It was so amazing. It just makes

1173
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,479
Speaker 1: me realize why I love doing this podcast so much.

1174
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 1: I love it more than anything else that I do.

1175
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: It is just every day in education, like it's a

1176
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 1: learning experience. It's growing, it's hearing from somebody that I

1177
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: have no idea about about their trajectory that could not

1178
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 1: be more different than mine in some ways. And I'm

1179
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: so grateful to be able to do this. And um,

1180
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: we'll be doing this in different ways, expanding and broadening soon,

1181
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: so stay tuned for that. But as always, remember to rate, review,

1182
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,440
Speaker 1: and subscribe. I'm grateful for the conversation and grateful for you,

1183
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: So have a learnerful day. H m hm