Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 2: All right, break it down.
Speaker 1: If you ever have feelings that you just won't Amy
Speaker 1: and Cat gotcha covin locking No, brother, Ladies and folks,
Speaker 1: do you just follow an the spirit where it's all
Speaker 1: the phone over real stuff to the chill stuff and
Speaker 1: the m but Swayne. Sometimes the best thing you can
Speaker 1: do it just stop you feel things. This is feeling
Speaker 1: things with Amy and Kat.
Speaker 2: Happy Tuesday. Welcome to feeling things. I'm Amy and I'm
Speaker 2: Cat and my feeling of the day is fun. I guess,
Speaker 2: I don't know fun for sure. For sure falls into
Speaker 2: the fun category, but it sure feels fun when I
Speaker 2: get it right. So when you check out, when you're
Speaker 2: online shopping and you don't want to give your email
Speaker 2: and your phone number to get the ten percent discount code,
Speaker 2: do you play the game of trying to figure out
Speaker 2: what their code is? Like typing in welcome, welcome, ten, welcome, fifteen,
Speaker 2: welcome twenty, which normally you can guess the percentage off
Speaker 2: of it would be ten, fifteen or two twenty based
Speaker 2: on what they say in the pop up screen to
Speaker 2: get you to get the percentage off. It'll be like
Speaker 2: want ten percent off, want fifteen percent off, and that
Speaker 2: will help me with the Hello ten, Hello fifteen, Hello twenty,
Speaker 2: Save ten, Save fifteen, Save twenty free ship.
Speaker 3: I've never played that game. I have other tricks, but
Speaker 3: this is very smart. Why haven't I played this game.
Speaker 2: In the depending on the season spring ten, spring twenty,
Speaker 2: summer ten summer twenty summer fifteen, fall ten, fall twenty winter.
Speaker 4: So have you been doing this lately? Yes?
Speaker 2: And I got for two days in a row getting
Speaker 2: things welcome ten worked for two different sites, and I
Speaker 2: was like, this is fun.
Speaker 4: And they cause.
Speaker 3: If they don't want people to do that, they got
Speaker 3: to get more creative with their code.
Speaker 2: Some people have because you'll go and they'll email you
Speaker 2: the code. It's like ADSF one two four or five
Speaker 2: y dash niner copy. You have to like paste it
Speaker 2: in there like those those are the ones they really
Speaker 2: don't want figuring out the code.
Speaker 4: Well, they really want your email and your phone number. Yes.
Speaker 3: I usually will just google if I'm like, what's a
Speaker 3: discount code for this place?
Speaker 4: And sometimes it'll work. Sometimes there won't be one. But
Speaker 4: I used to have have you heard of honey?
Speaker 2: Yes, I've used honey. Okay, I did it too.
Speaker 4: It used to be.
Speaker 3: Like what do you call it like it was like
Speaker 3: a plugin that I had on my Safari.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it lived in and it so it would it
Speaker 2: would automatically go generate things for you.
Speaker 4: Which is really cool.
Speaker 3: I feel like it saved me a lot of money,
Speaker 3: but I didn't download it out my new computer because
Speaker 3: it felt a little bit unsafe, Like, who knows I
Speaker 3: could have gotten a couple viruses from that in this
Speaker 3: now my computer we use for work, so we can't
Speaker 3: be doing that. I don't even know if that's still
Speaker 3: a thing.
Speaker 2: Good question, because I haven't used it in a little
Speaker 2: bit and I don't know how it got off of mine,
Speaker 2: but I did, maybe because I got a new computer too.
Speaker 2: I can't or I like your yours is more fun.
Speaker 4: It's like a game.
Speaker 2: That's why my feeling is fun because it worked twice
Speaker 2: for me, and just letting people know if you don't
Speaker 2: want to give your email and phone number, I mean
Speaker 2: you may have to if you can't figure it out.
Speaker 2: But it's so fun when it works and you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: like the disk that just pops up and if you
Speaker 2: shop revolve a code that always tends to always work
Speaker 2: for them is tulip what? Yeah, you get ten percent offers.
Speaker 4: So random.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tula okay, tulip ten. That's why I'm feeling fun.
Speaker 4: Okay, I like it. I'm feeling a lot of things. Okay,
Speaker 4: I have a lot to talk about. Where should we start? Oh,
Speaker 4: this is easy, We'll get this out of the way.
Speaker 4: I feel very proud of myself.
Speaker 3: I feel like you'll be very proud of me for
Speaker 3: doing this, you know how, Like I like to do
Speaker 3: things with myself and I like to just be like, oh,
Speaker 3: I can do that myself and not hire a professional.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm learning.
Speaker 3: And I hired somebody to come do landscaping at my house,
Speaker 3: just the front, but I was going to do it
Speaker 3: myself and then got very overwhelmed and was like, I'll
Speaker 3: probably spend one thousand dollars on plants and then kill
Speaker 3: them all because what do I know about plants?
Speaker 4: So I felt like that was very.
Speaker 3: Adult of me. Good y'all going to call somebody to
Speaker 3: do it for me. It's feeling proud of myself. Now
Speaker 3: I have a PSA. I feel like everybody needs to
Speaker 3: know this. Who enjoys going to the movies and this
Speaker 3: is my feeling attached to this is disturbed have you
Speaker 3: heard of the movie The Drama?
Speaker 4: Yes? Have you heard about this movie?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 4: Okay, I didn't know much about.
Speaker 2: This movie, and you just went to see it.
Speaker 4: I escaped this.
Speaker 3: By the skin of what is it, the skin of
Speaker 3: my teeth?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you didn't see it.
Speaker 3: My friend asked me to go yesterday, and I was
Speaker 3: bored out of my mind because Patrick had on the
Speaker 3: Masters for six hours, and so I didn't really want
Speaker 3: to go see this movie, but I wanted to get
Speaker 3: out of the house, so I was gonna go, but
Speaker 3: then the drive was too far. They were going in
Speaker 3: Nashville and I was in Franklin. She texted me after
Speaker 3: and she said, thank god you didn't go see this movie.
Speaker 3: It was the weirdest movie I've ever seen, and it
Speaker 3: got like rave reviews from a lot of people. So
Speaker 3: the whole I'm not going to give anything away at all,
Speaker 3: but the whole point of the movie is there's this
Speaker 3: big secret you find out and that is like the
Speaker 3: pipeline to the rest of the movie.
Speaker 2: Well, I think it falls under dark comedy.
Speaker 4: It is a dark comedy. Yeah, it's very dark.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very If I were you and I was going
Speaker 3: to go see this movie, I would look up what
Speaker 3: that secret is before I paid twenty twenty five dollars
Speaker 3: to go see this movie.
Speaker 4: I think what it's about, it's like not some I
Speaker 4: get that it's dark comedy, but I don't feel like
Speaker 4: we ever it.
Speaker 2: Was in the news, so I feel like even before
Speaker 2: the movie came out, it was a big news story
Speaker 2: of oh why didn't see that? Is so? I mean,
Speaker 2: I talked to it in case someone's wanting to see it.
Speaker 2: I guess we shouldn't spoil the big secret, but it's well,
Speaker 2: very positive topic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm saying, if you're going to go see it,
Speaker 3: spoil the secret because you might not want to watch this.
Speaker 3: My friend was saying, like you, it was hot, it
Speaker 3: was awkward to laugh at any of the stuff because
Speaker 3: it's not something that's it's not funny, and the thing
Speaker 3: that it's about is affecting so many people, even if
Speaker 3: you're not directly affected by it, Like it's a big
Speaker 3: issue in our specifically our country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's why it was such a big
Speaker 2: news story before the movie came out.
Speaker 3: I cannot believe they made a movie about it, Like,
Speaker 3: I'm disturbed.
Speaker 4: Of the about this.
Speaker 2: They were saying she didn't go through with it. It didn't
Speaker 2: actually happening.
Speaker 4: But do you know why.
Speaker 2: Well no, I don't know that part.
Speaker 4: But okay, it's not like it's not because she had
Speaker 4: a change of heart.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you were disturbed by.
Speaker 3: That, yes, And I just wanted to let anybody know
Speaker 3: because I would be so well, I think I don't
Speaker 3: know that I would be able to sit through.
Speaker 4: All of that.
Speaker 3: But I movies are expensive to go see, and I
Speaker 3: just don't want anybody to waste their money.
Speaker 4: Okay. So there's that that felt good to get off
Speaker 4: my chest.
Speaker 2: And then I love that you're like recommending for people
Speaker 2: to not go see a movie that you haven't seen.
Speaker 2: But some other people enjoyed it.
Speaker 4: Some people liked it.
Speaker 3: I think you have to have a very specific type
Speaker 3: of humor to be able to enjoy that. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: you need to not have been affected by this specific thing.
Speaker 2: Okay, Next feeling, Next feeling. So this is third feeling.
Speaker 4: I told you I have a lot of feelings.
Speaker 3: I think this feeling is like I feel seen or
Speaker 3: I feel relief, I feel validated. And this is a
Speaker 3: little pregnancy update. I'm out of breath talking and that
Speaker 3: I'm blaming on pregnancy. In the first trimester of pregnancy,
Speaker 3: a lot of times, one you're hiding, you're not telling people,
Speaker 3: and so you're trying to like dress like you don't
Speaker 3: look pregnant. And then through the first trimester, you don't
Speaker 3: necessarily have like a baby bump, Like you might look bloated,
Speaker 3: you might have gained weight, but there's not like you know,
Speaker 3: when there's a baby bump, it's like cute and whatever.
Speaker 3: I think it's a hard season to be in that
Speaker 3: whole space. It's just body image wise, it's difficult. I
Speaker 3: have been inundated on social media with all of these
Speaker 3: and part of this is my fault. All of these
Speaker 3: videos of like really adorable people dressing their pregnant body
Speaker 3: through different stages, and I've internally been struggling.
Speaker 4: Of like how are these people doing this?
Speaker 3: Like they look so cute or they're fifteen weeks pregnant
Speaker 3: and they literally look smaller than I did before I
Speaker 3: got pregnant. Like just a lot of negative thoughts coming up,
Speaker 3: and I through this process, I tried to just you know,
Speaker 3: use my tools, like I say, talk my way through it,
Speaker 3: remind myself, like everybody's body is different. You're creating the life.
Speaker 3: Blah blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 2: Blah, a lot of beings. I'm thinking if I texted
Speaker 2: you the other day because you love when you use
Speaker 2: your tools, and you love when I use my tools,
Speaker 2: and I text you the other day and I was
Speaker 2: annoyed about my self tanner or something. I'm like, uh,
Speaker 2: and I just feels so white. And then I use
Speaker 2: my tools and replied back. I was like, and well
Speaker 2: I am so this is fine. I am white. And
Speaker 2: then you were like, good for you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, night's when we can use our tools.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is what it is like. Yeah, I love
Speaker 2: my and you are white, translucent, pale skin. That's me.
Speaker 3: But sometimes that's like it Sometimes talk like that, like
Speaker 3: this overly body positive talk feels almost like gas lighting
Speaker 3: it kind of. It sometimes felt like I wasn't allowing
Speaker 3: myself to really like this sucks, like my body is
Speaker 3: changing at a pace I have no control over.
Speaker 4: I don't like it.
Speaker 3: But it feels like you can't say that because I'm
Speaker 3: pregnant and I should be grateful and we should be
Speaker 3: grateful for our bodies that allow ourselves to be pregnant
Speaker 3: and blah blah blah blah, tools, whole tools. But so
Speaker 3: it feels like there wasn't this like in but nobody was.
Speaker 3: I wasn't around anybody or I didn't see anybody who
Speaker 3: was talking about that. So it's just kind of a
Speaker 3: conversation I was having, like with my self or Patrick
Speaker 3: or whatever. Patrick's response is he's very kind, but he's
Speaker 3: just like, you're pregnant, and I'm like, I.
Speaker 4: Know, but I don't look pregnant. I look and then I.
Speaker 3: Feel like God just sent me a little gift because
Speaker 3: I don't listen to this podcast.
Speaker 4: But have you heard of The Squeeze?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Latner's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're both named Taylor. Yeah, it's kind of cute,
Speaker 3: and that's kind of weird. I guess that could never
Speaker 3: happen to you because what man is named Amy?
Speaker 2: Yeah? You because there's no man named Katherine there or not.
Speaker 2: But yeah, if you have a unisex name.
Speaker 3: Like, would that and would that turn you off if
Speaker 3: you were like dating somebody the same name as you?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: Okay, anyway, I have never I can't say I've ever
Speaker 3: listened to one of their episodes, but and their stuff
Speaker 3: doesn't really pop up on my paget often, but a
Speaker 3: video of her of Taylor the girl Taylor popped up.
Speaker 3: I guess she's pregnant, and she was like, nobody talks
Speaker 3: about this, and I was like ooh. And she talked
Speaker 3: about how during her first time she was like she
Speaker 3: was really sick, and she was like, the only thing
Speaker 3: I could eat is carbs, So obviously that's all I'm eating,
Speaker 3: and I can't exercise.
Speaker 4: I'm gaining a lot of weight.
Speaker 3: And all I saw around me were and I'm paraphrasing,
Speaker 3: and she might have said something a little different. All
Speaker 3: I saw around me were these like tiny people that
Speaker 3: literally didn't gain any weight in their first trimester, and
Speaker 3: they look so cute and they loved dressing their pregnant body.
Speaker 3: And she was like, and I was having the worst time,
Speaker 3: and I was just I mean, I think she was
Speaker 3: talking about like how she was having breakdowns about it,
Speaker 3: and how she said I hated my body, hated looking
Speaker 3: at it, I hated feeling it, I hated whatever.
Speaker 4: And I was so grateful for that because.
Speaker 3: It almost was like seeing somebody else say that was like, well,
Speaker 3: I can feel that too, Like this is for anybody,
Speaker 3: whether you're pregnant or not, going through that.
Speaker 4: I feel like with body image stuff, we get in
Speaker 4: this space where we feel like we have to just
Speaker 4: be grateful for our health or our.
Speaker 3: Pregnant body or the ability to walk or you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, like you're girling, yeah, versus like can
Speaker 3: we be realistic and we can be grateful? Like I
Speaker 3: am grateful I'm pregnant. Obviously it was a hard journey.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't trade it. And this part sucks, especially when I'm
Speaker 3: surrounded by what it looks like and I know it's
Speaker 3: just social media people that are not having the same
Speaker 3: experience of me as me, and it feels like, well,
Speaker 3: what am I doing wrong? Because my body looks like
Speaker 3: this and you look adorable. But also I will say
Speaker 3: with that, and this is to myself and other people,
Speaker 3: I've never and I think she said something like this too.
Speaker 3: I've never looked at a pregnant person and been like ew.
Speaker 3: And so I'm sure people that are that would see
Speaker 3: my pregnant body wouldn't be like, oh, what have you
Speaker 3: been doing? They're probably just like, she's a pregnant person.
Speaker 3: But we see ourselves so differently. So I feel like
Speaker 3: I said validated because I feel like I was gaslighting
Speaker 3: myself and it was making it worse.
Speaker 4: And now I can just be like, this.
Speaker 3: Part sucks and I can't wait until I have my
Speaker 3: belly that pops out and then I'll feel about maybe.
Speaker 4: I hope you will. It's hard, you will.
Speaker 3: It's just hard when you are like you do not
Speaker 3: have any control over what happens.
Speaker 4: You can do all.
Speaker 3: That's the other thing people are like on TikTok, if
Speaker 3: you eat this is what I eat in a day
Speaker 3: as a pregnant person, blah blah blah blah blah, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, I feel like I don't eat that differently
Speaker 3: than that, and I'm moving my bodies much as I can,
Speaker 3: and I've been steady climbing the scale. I don't know
Speaker 3: that because I refuse to weigh myself, but by the
Speaker 3: feel of my pants.
Speaker 2: That's a bigger tool scale.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So this is just.
Speaker 2: This is your first pregnancy, so this is uncharted territory
Speaker 2: for you too. So you're experiencing something for the first time.
Speaker 2: I would imagine when navigating something for the second time,
Speaker 2: you would know more what to expect from your body. Right,
Speaker 2: this is like everybody's different obviously.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is coming from somebody who like I
Speaker 3: specialize in body image work, like I've done this work
Speaker 3: professionally and for myself for years. I feel like I
Speaker 3: have a pretty good grasp on it. But even I'm
Speaker 3: struggling with some stuff and need to, like you know,
Speaker 3: go back into my toolbox and need to hear that
Speaker 3: validation from other people. So if you're not in that space,
Speaker 3: then it definitely would be normal for you to struggle
Speaker 3: with this.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 2: I love that you shared that because you got the
Speaker 2: validation from Taylor.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: She's our friend Taylor, and someone listening to you right
Speaker 2: now he'd be like, Oh, I'm so glad Kat who
Speaker 2: is and this is her job, this is what she
Speaker 2: does for a living, helping others through this is also
Speaker 2: having her experience with it.
Speaker 3: And living in this world is tough, like body image wise,
Speaker 3: like living in our society and our culture, in our world,
Speaker 3: it just is tough.
Speaker 4: It just is. No matter how much work you put
Speaker 4: in it. You're climbing.
Speaker 3: We're climbing it up battle we will be forever. Because
Speaker 3: there's as much work as you put into all of that,
Speaker 3: you have five times that coming from the other side
Speaker 3: telling you that that work is wrong, So anybody struggling
Speaker 3: with that, I am too.
Speaker 2: This isn't directly related to what you're saying, but it
Speaker 2: does have to do with things being hard or new.
Speaker 2: I saw a perspective shift being talked about and just
Speaker 2: sort of fitting here to say, if you're experiencing anything
Speaker 2: new for the first time and you're finding it hard
Speaker 2: or difficult, and maybe you were thinking something's too hard
Speaker 2: to do or you could never do that, a perspective
Speaker 2: shift could be instead of easy versus hard, familiar versus unfamiliar.
Speaker 4: This is very unfamiliar for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well I don't know that it totally applies to,
Speaker 2: like being pregnant, but and thinking of maybe people wanting
Speaker 2: to try something new, because I mean, I think it's
Speaker 2: fair to say this is hard, not only the unfamiliar,
Speaker 2: but it's hard. But just and how us talking about
Speaker 2: things being EASi or hard unfamiliar made me think of
Speaker 2: this perspective shift that I saw that might be helpful
Speaker 2: for anybody just going through anything. It's like a little
Speaker 2: brain hack of how you're looking at something, because then
Speaker 2: when you see that something's hard, you might not want
Speaker 2: to do it. Yeah, but if it's just unfamiliar. It's like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: I just need to get familiar with that.
Speaker 3: Like putting together a piece of furniture. This is unfamiliar.
Speaker 3: I've never done this before. Versa's like, this is too
Speaker 3: hard and complicated.
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I am glad you hired a landscape or
Speaker 2: that does seem hard.
Speaker 3: I'm familiar with both unfamiliar and art. And art also,
Speaker 3: like I said, I would have wasted a lot of
Speaker 3: money if I tried to do it myself.
Speaker 2: Gardening is though, or getting your hands in the soil
Speaker 2: and like digging in the dirt is very good for
Speaker 2: the brain. That I am also just reminded of. I
Speaker 2: don't have the study in front of me, but I
Speaker 2: read it last week. No, it was something that I
Speaker 2: came across last week where I was talking something. It
Speaker 2: was an article about Alzheimer's And I'll see if what
Speaker 2: we're talking about it, Shannon can look it up. But
Speaker 2: how using your hands and gardening and getting in the
Speaker 2: dirt is good for the brain. Using your hands and
Speaker 2: gardening and getting in the dirt is good for the brain.
Speaker 2: It's neuroscience. I can't explain it. It's unfamiliar.
Speaker 3: I wonder why that would be, like, why with the
Speaker 3: dirt specifically, or is it the activity you're doing in
Speaker 3: the dirt?
Speaker 2: Okay, well, okay, this is so far what Shannon has
Speaker 2: pulled up. Multiple studies indicate that digging and dirt and
Speaker 2: gardening provides significant psychological and cognitive benefits by interacting with
Speaker 2: specific soil microbes and increasing critical brain growth proteins. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's exactly what I saw. Research
Speaker 2: from Universe of Colorado Boulder shoutout, that's where my niece goes.
Speaker 2: It shows that this microbe activates serotonin producing neurons in
Speaker 2: the brain, functioning as a natural mood stabilizer, similar to
Speaker 2: some antidepressant medications.
Speaker 4: So dirt has similar qualities as antidepressant.
Speaker 2: That's sort of what a University of Colorado Boulder is saying.
Speaker 2: But my I know that mine was a Alzheimer's related article.
Speaker 4: Well, shoot, maybe I should have done it myself.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think we maybe now have it. We now
Speaker 2: have it a sixteen.
Speaker 3: Year long longitudinal I did not know that wordudin.
Speaker 2: That word scared me. Do you know that because of
Speaker 2: your therapy background?
Speaker 3: No, but I do know that you like, we've talked
Speaker 3: about how like we'll skip words if we don't know them.
Speaker 4: And I knew you want to.
Speaker 2: Skip a word. I don't know that I've ever seen
Speaker 2: that word in my life. Thank you for help. No longitudinal,
Speaker 2: longitudinal it's fun to say. I feel like I would.
Speaker 2: We're saying it.
Speaker 4: You learned something new every day.
Speaker 2: So this is a sixteen year longitudinal study of older
Speaker 2: adults found that daily gardening was associated with a thirty
Speaker 2: six percent lower risk of dementia. This is it. This
Speaker 2: is it, researchers. Researchers, that's where it's hard too. Researchers
Speaker 2: attribute this to the bundle of physical activity, sensory stimulation,
Speaker 2: and mental problem solving required by the activity. So that's
Speaker 2: what it was. It had nothing to do with a
Speaker 2: micro So I don't know about that study from Colorado,
Speaker 2: but take with it, take from it what you will.
Speaker 2: This one is what I was talking about. So you
Speaker 2: get a bundle, it's like a three, it's like a
Speaker 2: three for three for one.
Speaker 3: What I would like to do actually, because I really
Speaker 3: want to be one of those houses that has a
Speaker 3: bunch of like pretty like not wildflowers, but wildflower esque flowers.
Speaker 4: In the front of it, you know, in the springtime,
Speaker 4: and I think, all you do? You just sprinkled?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I want to take like a gardening class
Speaker 3: because that is such an unfamiliar thing. I know, don't
Speaker 3: know anything. There's so many different types of soil or mulch,
Speaker 3: Like how do I even know what kind of mulch
Speaker 3: I want? Or what soil on' is supposed to put
Speaker 3: in there? Or the seasons and when you put tulips,
Speaker 3: I know you have to put them in the fall,
Speaker 3: because I really wanted to plant tulips and they said
Speaker 3: you can't do that, And what flowers like come back
Speaker 3: on their own? And what do you have to do
Speaker 3: every year?
Speaker 4: I would, you know what I want to be like?
Speaker 3: Did you know Martha Stewart's documentary, Yeah, and she was
Speaker 3: just in her garden pruning her flowers. I want to
Speaker 3: get to the point where it's calming to me to
Speaker 3: go out and just like cut some leaves off the
Speaker 3: stems of my flowers and prune my garden because I
Speaker 3: just understand how everything works.
Speaker 2: Shannon said her best friend could give us a gardening class.
Speaker 2: She has a business in Nashville teaching people about wildflowers
Speaker 2: shut up.
Speaker 4: There's a certain flower. They're like all different colors. What's
Speaker 4: a flower that you.
Speaker 2: Would plant of hydrangea?
Speaker 4: No, that's like a bush, right.
Speaker 2: But you cut them in They but flowers yeah, yea yeah,
Speaker 2: yea yeah, but that's a rose.
Speaker 3: Bush is a flowers like the azaleas azalias? Those I
Speaker 3: think those are the pretty different colored ones. I want
Speaker 3: those like around my mailbox or something.
Speaker 2: You can do that, do that?
Speaker 4: I got a call Shannon's friend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's the prairie stylist on Instagram.
Speaker 3: Her name is Emily, And like, did I ever think
Speaker 3: I would get to the point in life where like
Speaker 3: I want to learn how to garden?
Speaker 2: But I want to too. I've gardened. I've told you
Speaker 2: I've had a garden before where I had vegetables and
Speaker 2: I would go out and it was so awesome, like
Speaker 2: cutting cut a cucumber of cilantro romaine. You want romaine? Okay,
Speaker 2: no problem, I'm going to go out to the garden and.
Speaker 4: That's like so cute.
Speaker 2: It's just but it sounds hard, like how do you
Speaker 2: It's just unfamiliar. Thank you reframe, Thank you reframe.
Speaker 3: But it is weird because like I think this is
Speaker 3: an adult moment where what I meant by like I
Speaker 3: never thought I would get to this point is like
Speaker 3: if you asked me in my twenties if I wanted
Speaker 3: a garden, I'd be like, I have better things to do.
Speaker 2: But you also had an adult moment of hiring someone
Speaker 2: to do the garden.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 2: You could use. Yes, there are certain plants and things
Speaker 2: where I think hiring someone is the strategic, the right
Speaker 2: move if you can do that. But then, like the
Speaker 2: stuff around your mailboxes, get in the dig in there,
Speaker 2: plants the flowers, plant the seeds, let them go up.
Speaker 2: But you don't need you can handle that.
Speaker 3: I'll hire somebody to landscape. I want to have a garden.
Speaker 2: Yes, two yeah, perfect, so we'll get there. Longitudinal lunch
Speaker 2: longe lounudinal. It's feeling weird. Longitudinal. That's sorry, I think. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's how I would say it. Yeah, I mean you
Speaker 2: saw that word right away and you just knew.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 3: I also have taken research classes before, so it's you
Speaker 3: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you have seen it, and if.
Speaker 3: It makes you feel better, I knew that word, but
Speaker 3: in my research class, I do believe I got the
Speaker 3: worst grade out of the class.
Speaker 2: That's so weird because you always want to be the
Speaker 2: best grade.
Speaker 4: Not in grad school.
Speaker 3: In grad school, I realized I'm out of my league
Speaker 3: and I can only do the best I can and
Speaker 3: I'm never going to I had no plans of ever
Speaker 3: getting a PhD, so that research class was of no
Speaker 3: use to me. So I don't think I and it was.
Speaker 3: That's one of those things. And this is just how brain.
Speaker 3: Different brains work. I could sit in a developmental psychology
Speaker 3: class and be so tuned in and understand what people
Speaker 3: were talking about the research class. I even went to
Speaker 3: office hours multiple times. It could not make any less
Speaker 3: sense in my brain when I was doing so. When
Speaker 3: I was turning in an assignment, I was like this,
Speaker 3: I could get a zero or a one hundred. I
Speaker 3: have no idea, Like my brain just did not work there.
Speaker 3: But doesn't mean I'm stupid. No, I'm not gifted in
Speaker 3: that area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, see tools here we are. I got a newsletter
Speaker 2: from Mike Foster. I guess at one point I signed
Speaker 2: up for his newsletter, which is Primal Questions. What I
Speaker 2: feel like.
Speaker 3: You get a lot of newsletters and you read them,
Speaker 3: do I I feel you you have Lisa's newsletter. I
Speaker 3: feel like there's another newsletter you've talked about before. I
Speaker 3: don't know who it is.
Speaker 2: Well ours, I get the feeling they Oh yeah, I
Speaker 2: get Moses is a news it's it's it's the literal news.
Speaker 2: It's like newspaperaving his newsletter, but with the top news
Speaker 2: stories of the day.
Speaker 3: You've get you've talked about another person's and maybe it
Speaker 3: wasn't Maybe you don't get it every maybe to.
Speaker 2: You, Oh, I know our friend. Where's my brain right now?
Speaker 4: Our front?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 2: Are you going to want to walk with her?
Speaker 4: Katie Gusta? I saw her this weekend?
Speaker 5: You did?
Speaker 2: I love her? I love her newsletters. You're right, I
Speaker 2: do read.
Speaker 4: Her newsletters letters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So what's the name of our newsletter again?
Speaker 2: I mean, I know it's Feeling Things. He gave it
Speaker 2: a name.
Speaker 4: I think it's just the Feeling Things newsletter.
Speaker 2: Oh no, we gave it a name or did a
Speaker 2: tagline or something?
Speaker 4: No? Nothing, have the day you need to have m okay, well.
Speaker 2: Just kidding. So Mike's is called the Primal Question Newsletter,
Speaker 2: and he caught my attention. I don't know that. I
Speaker 2: always always read his but he caught my attention because
Speaker 2: he was talking about the Manisphere and I have yet
Speaker 2: to watch that Netflix documentary Inside the Manisphere, and I
Speaker 2: want to, but he wrote all about it and then
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I definitely need to carve out
Speaker 2: time to watch this. So if you haven't seen it,
Speaker 2: the Manisphere is basically a corner of the Internet where
Speaker 2: male influencers create content about what it means to be,
Speaker 2: quote a real man. On the surface, it looks like
Speaker 2: guys talking about fitness making money. But the further you
Speaker 2: go in, the darker it gets. Which I think you've
Speaker 2: started the documentary but you haven't finished it.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, my thing is to watch thirty minutes
Speaker 4: of everything.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: I didn't finish it because I was like, this is
Speaker 3: making me angry, but it is.
Speaker 4: It's fascinating.
Speaker 3: I mean it's gross and it's really sad because they
Speaker 3: prey upon like gen Z jen Awf like young boys
Speaker 3: to try to like brainwash them, and it's they're bad people,
Speaker 3: like they're not like living good high lives, and a
Speaker 3: lot of it is a facade, like they'll act one
Speaker 3: way on the internet and then different things are happening
Speaker 3: behind the scenes.
Speaker 2: Well, Mike's big takeaway wasn't just about how toxic the
Speaker 2: content is. It was about why young men are drawn
Speaker 2: to it in the first place, and his point was
Speaker 2: that these are valuable young men without solid male role models,
Speaker 2: who are just looking for a yes to the question
Speaker 2: am I wanted? Am I good enough? Which those are
Speaker 2: a couple of the primal questions, and these influencers are
Speaker 2: answering that question in the most unhealthy ways possible. He
Speaker 2: also a really important point about being discerning about who
Speaker 2: you allow to influence your life, and he gave us
Speaker 2: three questions that we can ask ourselves when you are
Speaker 2: trying to figure out who's getting your time, like what
Speaker 2: are you watching? What are you following? First question, ask
Speaker 2: yourself is this person self aware? Second? Who are they
Speaker 2: actually serving? And third how is their message hitting your
Speaker 2: own insecurities? Now I feel like as an adult, I
Speaker 2: can maybe answer those, but I think about young kids.
Speaker 4: I don't know that.
Speaker 2: They're going to be able to answer that. But he
Speaker 2: did end with this, true masculinity is measuring strength by
Speaker 2: who you lift up, not by who you can push around. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I and I thought that was really powerful because the
Speaker 2: manosphere they seem to be wanting to.
Speaker 3: Push around, and it's a lot about like them gaining
Speaker 3: notoriety and following where it's not actually like living there
Speaker 3: what they're preaching. I will say, I love these three questions.
Speaker 3: Is this person self aware is such a hard question
Speaker 3: to answer, sometimes specifically even for yourself and my self
Speaker 3: aware most of the if you hear somebody who is
Speaker 3: like one hundred percent confident that they're self aware all
Speaker 3: the time, they're not.
Speaker 4: Like, if you're self aware, it means that there are things.
Speaker 3: That you cannot know about yourself and that you just
Speaker 3: cannot know and that you will have you have blind spots.
Speaker 3: So if anybody's trying to figure that out with other people,
Speaker 3: or if you hear somebody that constantly is talking about
Speaker 3: how self aware they are, they're probably not.
Speaker 2: I am self aware, I think to your point now,
Speaker 2: like if I really feel like I'm self aware with
Speaker 2: my hormones, I really do. What do you mean, like
Speaker 2: like now when I'm not acting like when I'm acting
Speaker 2: a little sib Yeah, I think I have that self awareness.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying it's one hundred percent of the time,
Speaker 2: but I will have an internal dialogue happening of like
Speaker 2: why am I am I sounding my sib right now?
Speaker 2: Like ooh that was a little harsh, or like am
Speaker 2: I about to start my period? Or I think And
Speaker 2: then sometimes I'll take it outside my brain and say
Speaker 2: I think I'm about to start my period, and I'll disclose,
Speaker 2: so it sort of helpfully lightens however I'm acting because
Speaker 2: I know I'm not coming across exactly how I want to,
Speaker 2: but I have that awareness and do you think I do?
Speaker 3: I think even asking that question brings about self awareness.
Speaker 3: Like the fact that you can say, like I think this,
Speaker 3: I want to check in, like do you see that
Speaker 3: means that there's some self awareness there, Like it is.
Speaker 3: The guys in this show, from what the little that
Speaker 3: I saw, they're not looking for feedback from anybody, and
Speaker 3: if you give them feedback that does not align with
Speaker 3: what they want to hear, you're gonna get kicked out
Speaker 3: of their life. And there's no self awareness in that.
Speaker 3: If we're self aware, we need to be open to
Speaker 3: feedback and open to like the things that we do wrong,
Speaker 3: which I feel like you try to do and I
Speaker 3: tried to do.
Speaker 4: It's still hard.
Speaker 2: Nobody likes to hear I think it depends. Feedback can
Speaker 2: be difficult, and I also like feedback.
Speaker 4: You do. I think you like feedback more than most people.
Speaker 2: I was working a red carpet thing with a team
Speaker 2: that I had never worked with before, and I didn't
Speaker 2: know if I would ever get to work with them before.
Speaker 2: I was filling in for somebody, and of course I
Speaker 2: wanted to do a good job. Yeah, and the producers
Speaker 2: are there with me and we have different you know,
Speaker 2: celebrities coming up and we're doing interviews. In the middle
Speaker 2: of it, I was like, the head producer came up
Speaker 2: and gave me I wish I could remember exactly what
Speaker 2: it was, but she sort of gave me an out
Speaker 2: with each person that would be really helpful for how
Speaker 2: they were editing the videos. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's genius. I love that. And I said that's so great,
Speaker 2: Like please tell me more, Like I want to know
Speaker 2: more because that's going to be a game changer for
Speaker 2: I close out each little interview and I want feedback.
Speaker 2: And a couple hours go by and we're walking out
Speaker 2: and the other producers is we were leaving for the evening.
Speaker 2: They were just walking me out. They weren't done for
Speaker 2: the night, but I was so they were nice enough
Speaker 2: to walk me out and they were like, and hey,
Speaker 2: thanks for being open to feedback. We're not used to
Speaker 2: hearing like hearing that, yeah, and that's what we're called
Speaker 2: as like the interviewer or in my job, what I do.
Speaker 2: I don't call myself talent. That's what they call us.
Speaker 2: They're the producers, were the talent, and they're like, we're
Speaker 2: not used to hearing that from talent a lot. And
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, that didn't occur to me. I
Speaker 2: want to know if I can do something better, because
Speaker 2: why wouldn't I want to know it gave me a
Speaker 2: better way to do something, and then it makes their
Speaker 2: job easier and then everybody's better all around.
Speaker 3: But you also have to be open to feedback. You
Speaker 3: have to have a certain amount of like ego strength.
Speaker 3: A lot of people don't have that, and if they
Speaker 3: get feedback, it kind of like hits on that I'm
Speaker 3: not good enough versus your like, I am good at
Speaker 3: my job. I also know that this is a new
Speaker 3: thing for me and feedback is great. So I think
Speaker 3: you have that confidence that allows you to take feedback. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but confidence doesn't mean I know exactly what I'm doing.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, because my self awareness right now telling me
Speaker 2: that I don't know that I'm necessarily the most confident
Speaker 2: person at all. However, front of the crowd, I do think, okay, okay,
Speaker 2: maybe I feel a little great on stage with a microphone,
Speaker 2: but I do that's when my cup feels full. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I get excited by that. I'm not like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm the best at this at all whatsoever, but I
Speaker 2: enjoy it and so therefore it makes it like a
Speaker 2: good experience for me. I do think the delivery of
Speaker 2: feedback is important because the way the head producer came
Speaker 2: over and told me, she was so supportive and like
Speaker 2: encouraged me and then gave it to me, and it
Speaker 2: overall is working with a good team. I do think
Speaker 2: that something if people are delivering criticism in a way
Speaker 2: that's that can jolt me because I'm sensitive to oh shoot,
Speaker 2: and now I'm not doing a good job. So then
Speaker 2: it could go the opposite and then my performance goes downhill.
Speaker 2: But she did it in a way that still was
Speaker 2: constructive and lifted me up to where it only elevated
Speaker 2: me more to where I went upwards. But I am
Speaker 2: the type of performer where if I suddenly feel like
Speaker 2: I'm in trouble with something or I've done something terribly wrong,
Speaker 2: like it could go downhill fast because my confidence goes.
Speaker 3: Like second guess yourself on everything, versus that person said
Speaker 3: it in a helpful, kind way. So the other person
Speaker 3: that's helping me trying to be better versus putting me down.
Speaker 2: So I think it's just a good reminder in our
Speaker 2: delivery of feedback, whether it's at work or wherever we are,
Speaker 2: just in how we approach it, making sure we're doing
Speaker 2: it in which we've gotten constructive feedback from our listeners,
Speaker 2: and then we've gotten some time construct someone just criticizing us,
Speaker 2: and it hits different. I think we're like, oh cool,
Speaker 2: that's a thoughtful take. I hadn't thought of it that way,
Speaker 2: versus hey hater.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when it's really bad, it's like, well, we're not
Speaker 3: even gonna take like I'm not taking that personally. But
Speaker 3: it's like when it's in the middle where it's like
Speaker 3: maybe if it's from somebody we respect, or is where
Speaker 3: we know it's.
Speaker 4: Different than from a stranger. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I was having this thought as you were talking.
Speaker 3: Though, you know, there's always we think about, like, oh,
Speaker 3: they should teach us how to do taxes in high
Speaker 3: school and all this stuff, like there should be like
Speaker 3: and maybe they do this.
Speaker 4: In some classes.
Speaker 3: I know I took like a communication class, but I
Speaker 3: don't feel like we did this where you practice giving
Speaker 3: and receiving feedback and like process what it's like, because
Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of people don't mean to
Speaker 3: be bad at giving feedback or hurtful, but they don't
Speaker 3: know how to do it, like that's a skill in itself.
Speaker 2: I'm sure I've delivered it not well again, depending on
Speaker 2: my mood or my hormones, what I'm going on, you know,
Speaker 2: like you may not it may not come out the
Speaker 2: way that you wanted.
Speaker 3: And they're like yeah, And sometimes I feel I never
Speaker 3: want to hurt like not not it within like clients, well,
Speaker 3: I don't want to hurt their feelings either, but like
Speaker 3: within friendships or work relationships, I never want to hurt
Speaker 3: somebody's feelings. So I think sometimes I can be too
Speaker 3: soft with feedback and then I don't do my due
Speaker 3: diligence versus like I wish I was taught how to
Speaker 3: give constructive good I feel like I'm getting better at it,
Speaker 3: but I wouldn't say I'm good at it, Like I
Speaker 3: want to be able to give feedback to people and
Speaker 3: also do it in that kind of way where I'm
Speaker 3: not like tiptoeing around them, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I didn't know this existed, and so that's also why
Speaker 3: I was like.
Speaker 2: Jarred to wells million. It's millions of followers.
Speaker 4: And it's not my corner of the Internet. So I
Speaker 4: was like, what in the world? And it made me
Speaker 4: also think what else is out there that I have
Speaker 4: no idea about?
Speaker 2: That?
Speaker 4: Is this messed up a lot?
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot. It's so fractured now, so
Speaker 2: thankfully instead of like I feel like back in the day,
Speaker 2: if there wasn't, Well, first of all, these people may
Speaker 2: not even have a corner of the Internet, so then
Speaker 2: there's that part they may not exist, or the manisphere
Speaker 2: obviously wouldn't. But because it's so fractured and there's so
Speaker 2: many other things, Luckily, if it ever gained traction, it
Speaker 2: doesn't have as many followers as it might because people
Speaker 2: have so many different things to focus on. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: they are honing in on the young men. So if
Speaker 2: you're a mom of a young boy, like, just make
Speaker 2: sure he's not consuming the manosphere content. I guess unless
Speaker 2: you're into that.
Speaker 3: I know, if you have a mom of a young boy,
Speaker 3: watch it first. I haven't finished it, so I can't
Speaker 3: shouldn't really say this. It might be something good for
Speaker 3: a teenage boy to watch and be like, this isn't
Speaker 3: what we want to do, because look at who these
Speaker 3: guys really are.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like they can watch the Netflix stuff. I'm saying, like,
Speaker 2: make sure on their YouTube or they consuming because the
Speaker 2: more they watch the video is the more normal it's
Speaker 2: gonna feel and seem. And then their minds are so multiple,
Speaker 2: like they start to develop those thoughts early and then
Speaker 2: it can be very difficult to break and how they
Speaker 2: view women. And I don't know, I still need to
Speaker 2: watch the Netflix. I'm fully admitting I have not watched
Speaker 2: it yet.
Speaker 3: Would you go back and live two thousands with that
Speaker 3: era of technology or would you like be like, well,
Speaker 3: we'll take something in the middle twenty ten. Would you
Speaker 3: go back and live two thousands with that era of
Speaker 3: technology or would you like be like, well, I'll take
Speaker 3: something in the middle twenty.
Speaker 2: Ten ooh, twenty ten. It's pretty nice because we had
Speaker 2: a Twitter it'd be one hundred and fifty characters or less,
Speaker 2: and was Instagram around it. Not yet, I don't think.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was ten. It was early stages. Twenty eleven
Speaker 2: twenty twelve was when I first formed an account, and
Speaker 2: I wasn't right away, but we were pretty on top
Speaker 2: of it. I did enjoy Twitter a lot. I don't
Speaker 2: ever get on there anymore now that it's X like,
Speaker 2: I don't. It just seems dark over there.
Speaker 3: But it was good times, yeah, and you would just
Speaker 3: like tweet like going to the grocery store, Yeah, I
Speaker 3: get some eggs.
Speaker 2: Right, or something funny. But you had to make it.
Speaker 3: It was to the point you're like, I wouldn't say that, nod, okay,
Speaker 3: So I didn't really tweet if you didn't have Twitter.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like you might say something like that. But
Speaker 2: it was more so, gosh, I wonder if we should
Speaker 2: pull up some of my old tweets. Okay, if I
Speaker 2: was like, hey, guys, going to the grocery store getting
Speaker 2: some bread.
Speaker 3: I feel like people tweeted what they were doing, but
Speaker 3: you only had like what one forty characters one hundred
Speaker 3: and fifteen, one hundred and fifty, which is like not
Speaker 3: a lot.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: So I joined Twitter in February of two thousand and nine. Oh.
Speaker 2: One of my big posts was from twenty seventeen, and
Speaker 2: it said, I said let's do this, and I put
Speaker 2: an American flag and it's been and I bringing the kids.
Speaker 4: Home from Haiti. Well that's wholesome.
Speaker 2: So that seems like an instagram ish type post.
Speaker 4: You could put pictures on Twitter back then. That's interest.
Speaker 4: Oh that was twenty sixteen. You said, when was that?
Speaker 2: Okay? So, and that was twenty seventeen. But in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 2: I did say we're parents all caps. We got the
Speaker 2: call Haiti here we come, leaving tomorrow for our two
Speaker 2: week bonding trip. So that's right after we got matched
Speaker 2: with the kids. So clearly I tweeted about the kids
Speaker 2: a lot. More kids. Let me try to find you
Speaker 2: something from the early day, give.
Speaker 4: Me something funny.
Speaker 2: You said, I know, I did, I know, I did
Speaker 2: more kids. Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh, more kids.
Speaker 3: And then when you had Instagram and Twitter, how did
Speaker 3: you decide like what to put on?
Speaker 2: What I mean, you did both. I think we even
Speaker 2: had them connected to where it would like post both Oh,
Speaker 2: here we are on family feud.
Speaker 4: How do I go?
Speaker 2: I need to go back to like the very beginning,
Speaker 2: like Radio Amy, Twitter. Nobody cares about this. Why am
Speaker 2: I even looking it up two thousand and nine. I
Speaker 2: joined February two thousand and nine, so why is it not?
Speaker 3: You might have to just go back really far. This
Speaker 3: would be a good segment. This would be a good
Speaker 3: segment for us to do next week. We'll find some
Speaker 3: of your most embarrassing.
Speaker 2: Tweets, now my funny ones, your funniest tweets.
Speaker 3: There's a thing that people do now on like batcherette
Speaker 3: trips and stuff where they go My friend just texted
Speaker 3: me about this. She was like, dang, I wish you
Speaker 3: were coming on my bacherette trip because I just went
Speaker 3: back to like two thousand and eight at our Facebook posts.
Speaker 3: And the game is you put like somebody goes and
Speaker 3: looks up Facebook posts from all these people from whatever,
Speaker 3: and then you put them up on like a screen
Speaker 3: and you have to guess like who it.
Speaker 4: Was that said it?
Speaker 3: Like that's funny, and also that would be more deifying
Speaker 3: because what was I saying?
Speaker 4: Yeahto knows?
Speaker 2: Because I have eighteen thousand posts. You are on Twitter.
Speaker 2: I was going tweeting all the time. I did post this,
Speaker 2: what do the Greek use to cut their pizzas?
Speaker 4: What did the Greek?
Speaker 2: Huh? What did the Greek used to cut their pizzas?
Speaker 2: Little caesars?
Speaker 3: Nothing's changed? I feel like that's something you would say now. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so no grocery store tweets?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so far I have. I mean I but.
Speaker 3: Also you are a public figure, so you're not telling
Speaker 3: people where you're going.
Speaker 2: Well, I wouldn't say which grocery store. You think If
Speaker 2: I say I'm going to the store to get some eggs,
Speaker 2: that's getting away where people.
Speaker 3: Might be running to ever grocery store around town. Anyway, Sorry,
Speaker 3: lem o, how did we get there?
Speaker 4: I don't know. Oh what part of technology would you
Speaker 4: want to be in?
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that's an interesting question. I should have stuck
Speaker 2: with that.
Speaker 3: You I think I would want to be I want
Speaker 3: the Internet because I.
Speaker 4: Like Google.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like having a cell phone because when I
Speaker 2: had a pager and I.
Speaker 3: Had a to the payphone and that was rough, but
Speaker 3: you didn't know it was rough because that probably was like,
Speaker 3: at least I have a pager back then. It's all
Speaker 3: relative though, Like when I was little and I my
Speaker 3: mom dropped me on for the movie. She gave me
Speaker 3: a quarter, and after the movie I called her from
Speaker 3: the payphone. Then I had to wait and have her
Speaker 3: come pick me up. That seems archaic now, but back
Speaker 3: then it was just very normal. So I wish I
Speaker 3: could go back and never know about what we've had,
Speaker 3: because then that would be I'm like, oh, we're so
Speaker 3: with it. We have payphones, that's cool, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. I think I would want to be like two,
Speaker 3: Like I remember when I was learning about the Internet
Speaker 3: in like fifth grade, Like I want to go back
Speaker 3: to that, and like with you did a research paper
Speaker 3: in school, you went to the library and you checked
Speaker 3: books out.
Speaker 2: You didn't use chat GPT.
Speaker 3: We definitely didn't use that, but we didn't like have
Speaker 3: like a database on a computer, Like now the library
Speaker 3: is on the computer.
Speaker 4: You can search those things anywhere.
Speaker 3: And like, I don't know, I think I would I
Speaker 3: miss more technology, more problems, is what they said.
Speaker 2: That's what your motto, Any tech more props. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 2: we were talking about hormones of my self awareness with that,
Speaker 2: so I do want to bring up a voicemail that
Speaker 2: we got about hormone replacement therapy. This is from Mindy
Speaker 2: in Kansas, and she's sharing her own personal positive experience
Speaker 2: with it because I've just started my hormone journey, or
Speaker 2: my latest hormone journey where I'm really dialing in and
Speaker 2: I get my second iron infusion this week, and I
Speaker 2: will say I had no idea how the iron infusion
Speaker 2: last week was going to knock me down. I was
Speaker 2: so fatigued, So heads up. I mean, they do kind
Speaker 2: of warn you of that, but then you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: they even say potential flu like symptoms. I did not
Speaker 2: have those, but I did have fatigue. I was very, very,
Speaker 2: very tired. And so I have my appointment in a
Speaker 2: couple of days, so I'm gearing up for the tiredness.
Speaker 2: But now it's not as unfamiliar. I know what to
Speaker 2: expect and I just have to deal with it. Like
Speaker 2: it's not gonna be fun, but I'm gonna deal with it,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna know that hopefully two weeks on the
Speaker 2: other side of that, because that's when I told you
Speaker 2: to start to really start judging me. Is two weeks
Speaker 2: after my last iron infusion. So two weeks from this week,
Speaker 2: you can see if I'm different, and you can be honest.
Speaker 2: I want the feedback, Okay, I do, and I think
Speaker 2: you can take it. But really, if I don't change,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be heartbroken because I felt like I'm changing,
Speaker 2: but the iron has set me back.
Speaker 3: Well again, I think that you're getting the symptoms that
Speaker 3: are supposed to come with that.
Speaker 2: M So that is that I love my Yam Pellett.
Speaker 4: Because after the Yam pellet, you were on cloud nine.
Speaker 2: I was feeling good, which that's Mindy speaks to her
Speaker 2: testosterone experience and how it is a game changer for her.
Speaker 2: So we'll go ahead and play Mindy's voicemail. Here it
Speaker 2: is bigurel.
Speaker 5: It's many from Kansus. I just thought I would holler
Speaker 5: love your podcast. Armpits so funny. I work in an
Speaker 5: office and towards the end of the day, I will
Speaker 5: squat down at my desk where nobody can see me
Speaker 5: and put on deodorant. I have a dance studio and
Speaker 5: you never know what you're gonna see there. So my
Speaker 5: girls are always showing everything and putting on deyodurant, and
Speaker 5: I would rather that than smell them or lose them
Speaker 5: going to the bathroom. Also, I had a boyfriend once
Speaker 5: and he was the kindest about the breakup situation. I
Speaker 5: think he was missing an ex. Obviously this is not
Speaker 5: the case for you, Amy, but he was so kind.
Speaker 5: He was like, I just want you to know it's
Speaker 5: this has nothing to do with you. This is everything
Speaker 5: to do with me. I don't know why I feel
Speaker 5: this way, Like you're wonderful. I mean, gave me all
Speaker 5: the reasons. Like still at the end of the day, right,
Speaker 5: it sucks, and I still respect him for it. I
Speaker 5: see him a couple of times a year. We live
Speaker 5: decently close, have kids kind of the same age, and
Speaker 5: both are very happily married with a family. And anyways,
Speaker 5: just yes, so nice to know that people can speak
Speaker 5: her on ups and not complete assholes. And then the
Speaker 5: other thing, I had just maybe turned forty, and I
Speaker 5: was like, why do I feel eighty five? Like nobody
Speaker 5: can tell me I don't have energy? I feel like
Speaker 5: this because I'm forty, Like I'm not listening. I'm sorry,
Speaker 5: And so anyways, I ended up having to go several
Speaker 5: different places, and hormone replacement therapy is where I went,
Speaker 5: and I'm also on testosterone and it has been so
Speaker 5: life changing. She gave me the option of injection once
Speaker 5: a week by myself, like a bugle in my cheek.
Speaker 5: It absorbs, and I went with the injection. I thought,
Speaker 5: if I don't like it, it's a waste of one
Speaker 5: hundred and fifty dollars and I'll choose something else whatever.
Speaker 5: But really it is not a big deal at all.
Speaker 5: And I inject myself once a week. It is pretty fulous. Swear.
Speaker 5: I was sitting there and I have never in my life.
Speaker 5: Then the girl that's like, oh, we should go to
Speaker 5: bed now, I am really in the mood, and I
Speaker 5: swear to you, I was sitting there and I was like,
Speaker 5: oh my gosh, I could take my husband to bed
Speaker 5: right now. And it's not that I'm crazy feifty for
Speaker 5: any stretch of imagination, but it is so nice to
Speaker 5: have the energy to you know, be in the mood,
Speaker 5: to just feel like I feel like I should have
Speaker 5: felt probably for the last twenty and so anyways, I'm guessing, yeah,
Speaker 5: I was also at like a ten. With hormone replacement therapy,
Speaker 5: you do get a little bit it is a little
Speaker 5: bit higher of a range and she is totally fine
Speaker 5: with the way that is because I am happy with
Speaker 5: the way I am functioning. I'm able to work out,
Speaker 5: able to you know, put in fourteen hour days and
Speaker 5: just I mean still at the end of the day,
Speaker 5: I'm tired, but not like I was. I don't even
Speaker 5: know how I was functioning. So anyways, hope you girls.
Speaker 5: Oh and Cat, first of all, I'm so sorry, congratulations.
Speaker 5: I'm so happy for you. I just love listening to
Speaker 5: all of the updates for sure. Don't feel like you're
Speaker 5: bogging anybody down by them.
Speaker 2: Have the day you need to have by you gave
Speaker 2: a pregnancy update, so yeah, earlier. So I'm sure Mindy's
Speaker 2: happy for that. And that was a very cute way
Speaker 2: to end it. And you know, she talked about her
Speaker 2: testosterone being a little bit higher than where she would
Speaker 2: want it, but that's fine because she's feeling good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you have to just pay attention to your own body
Speaker 2: and how you're feeling. I will say a side effect
Speaker 2: I think I'm having for my testof stone right now
Speaker 2: as my chest is sort of breaking out. I have
Speaker 2: to go back for blood work in a couple of weeks,
Speaker 2: so i'll know more of where my levels are. But
Speaker 2: apparently online it said this will subside. It's something that
Speaker 2: just started to pop up. And you know, I took
Speaker 2: care of my chest rash when I got rid of
Speaker 2: fabric softeners, and uh so try your sheets. Well I'm
Speaker 2: calling it a rash. No, they're bumps like you pop
Speaker 2: them like pop, No, but like cyst like you can't
Speaker 2: pop them. But they're big bumps and they and that's
Speaker 2: what I was getting from my scented soaps and my
Speaker 2: dryer sheets. So my chest is sensitive. But I think
Speaker 2: what's happening to it now because I had cleared it up.
Speaker 2: It's got to be the testosterone and I just have
Speaker 2: to power through. My body is unfamiliar and so.
Speaker 4: It's gonna normalize.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's the word. Did she learned that in your
Speaker 2: research class? Research normalized?
Speaker 3: I think that's very normal longitudinal. I liked this voiceman
Speaker 3: because I feel like she covered so much ground.
Speaker 2: She did, which I mainly wanted to share it because
Speaker 2: of the hormone stuff, but I didn't. I forgot how
Speaker 2: long it took her to get there, So I should
Speaker 2: have set it up differently of like, oh, yeah, she's
Speaker 2: going to touch on how I don't like when I
Speaker 2: see people. I'm perplexed by people putting on their Deodora
Speaker 2: on video because that just freaks me out. I would
Speaker 2: never And then the breakup, I guess she's referring to.
Speaker 2: My breakup was really healthy and well.
Speaker 4: We talked about how too, I had that one boyfriend
Speaker 4: that was very nice. Oh yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: I also have to say I love how she said
Speaker 3: I wanted to take my husband to bed. It felt
Speaker 3: like such like a I don't know, like an old,
Speaker 3: olden day.
Speaker 4: I don't like. No old fashion.
Speaker 3: Is that one they used to say, like I want
Speaker 3: to take you to bed? And like, why don't we
Speaker 3: say that more?
Speaker 2: Now? She said it because we got to be on
Speaker 2: more testosterone.
Speaker 3: I guess now I feel like it's more like raunchy
Speaker 3: and like that's just like oh okay.
Speaker 2: Sweet sweet sweet, Yes, Mindy from Kansas who is not
Speaker 2: eighty five but in her forties ish when you're around them,
Speaker 2: around it there because you know age, location, name, If
Speaker 2: you're willing to share with us, we're building data on you.
Speaker 4: I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2: We just want to know.
Speaker 4: It's just fun.
Speaker 3: Wait, did you know you're not going to care about
Speaker 3: this but now I'm gonna share it.
Speaker 4: Do you remember when Pokemon Go was a thing?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Did you ever doo it?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: Did your kids?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: Right, I didn't either. But turns out they actually are
Speaker 4: using all of that.
Speaker 3: Data for AI, the Pokemon Go data, like all like
Speaker 3: the geographical stuff.
Speaker 4: I don't really understand it.
Speaker 3: But there's like a debate of like, was it ever
Speaker 3: really for Pokemon Go or is it a ploy to
Speaker 3: get people to then.
Speaker 4: Get all this data for AI?
Speaker 2: Maybe?
Speaker 4: Crazy?
Speaker 2: Maybe?
Speaker 3: So you gotta be careful what games you're playing play
Speaker 3: online that was not even online. That's like in the
Speaker 3: world you Pokemon Go. I'm pretty sure people would like
Speaker 3: you have to travel around to play.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I never was into it, so I vaguely remember, Yeah,
Speaker 2: people going.
Speaker 4: It really surprises me. You never played that?
Speaker 2: What I'm okay? I was like, do you even know me? Okay, okay, okay,
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