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Speaker 1: It's that time time, time luck and load.

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Speaker 2: The Michael Dairy Show is on the air.

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Speaker 3: This story is made much better because it's a dairy

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Speaker 3: queen satan Toone man uses a wood chair to whack

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Speaker 3: a masked robber armed with a metal pipe inside a

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Speaker 3: dairy queen.

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Speaker 2: I'll let KABB TV tell you the story.

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Speaker 4: Dairy Queen may be known for their blizzards, but the

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Speaker 4: chilling in calendar with a pipe wielding robber is enough

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Speaker 4: to freeze anyone in their tracks.

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Speaker 2: Do we have to do that?

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Speaker 5: Son?

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Speaker 3: I realize you're excited to be a journalist. Did you

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Speaker 3: make a list? If he was doing it ironically, I

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Speaker 3: could get it. How bad is this going to be?

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Speaker 3: It's going to have a chilling effect that could freeze

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Speaker 3: any bad guy.

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Speaker 4: Dairy Queen may be known for their blizzards, but the

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Speaker 4: chilling in calendar with a pipe wielding robber is enough

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Speaker 4: to freeze anyone in their tracks.

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Speaker 6: Mother, find a worry and don't hoping nobody got hurt

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Speaker 6: or none of the kids and stuff.

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Speaker 4: He's in the restaurant for only a few minutes. But

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Speaker 4: what the guy who's apparently trying to help himself to

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Speaker 4: free money does it know there's a fearless customer watching

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Speaker 4: his every move now.

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Speaker 6: I said that he came around the corner around the

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Speaker 6: counter and she moved back, and she was saying that

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Speaker 6: if you're not gonna give him the money.

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Speaker 4: He's not your typical hero, no suit, no Kate, but

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Speaker 4: dairy queen customer Christopher Ortiz is plotting his move watching

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Speaker 4: them on camera, pacing in a tank top and sliders

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Speaker 4: with socks, seemingly staring down his prey. I asked Chris

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Speaker 4: what made him pounds?

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Speaker 7: I heard a.

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Speaker 8: Pipe faw and I looked up and he was walking

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Speaker 8: started telling her something or whatever, and I didn't know what.

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Speaker 2: Was going on.

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Speaker 8: I really thought he was asking her for a couple

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Speaker 8: of water or something. And then she said, there's kids.

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Speaker 8: And then when I heard that, that's when I reacted.

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Speaker 4: It's pipe versus chair a showdown the alleged Robert never

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Speaker 4: sees coming. Listen to what's caught on camera after Chris

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Speaker 4: casually grabs his wooden four legged weapon of choice. That's

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Speaker 4: the sound of a perfect strike to the back, echoing

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Speaker 4: stunned onlookers, breathing a sigh of relief. Chris walks me

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Speaker 4: through his life saving actions.

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Speaker 7: What if he had a weapon, our gun?

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Speaker 9: Well, you had nothing on you, just this chair. Nothing,

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Speaker 9: pretty happy chair though they were able to swing that thing.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean for people that.

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Speaker 2: It was heaving today.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, this is not easy to swing. This is not

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Speaker 9: your typical chair and look at a bank or this

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Speaker 9: is heavy, this is wood.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Man, do you feel like a hero for what you did?

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Speaker 8: Yeah? Kind of.

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Speaker 6: I'll fro proudly. But I'm glad he did it. A

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Speaker 6: lot of people won't do it and stuff. They're just

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Speaker 6: So I appreciate that he did what he did. Say

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Speaker 6: my assistant, it could have been worse than stuff.

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Speaker 4: Mary Rios calls him a hero. She's a customer who

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Speaker 4: learned about what Chris did.

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Speaker 10: Well, I think that.

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Speaker 11: He just wanted to protect other people into hisself and

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Speaker 11: even the share is heavy, so I guess, you know,

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Speaker 11: just to within the people.

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Speaker 4: His selfless act to protect strangers is the reason for

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Speaker 4: this cash for kindness surprise.

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Speaker 7: Well, we reward people who.

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Speaker 9: Do things without expecting anything in return, and our sponsor,

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Speaker 9: Aaron Plumbing today want to make sure that you're rewarding

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Speaker 9: because they're the heroes for Aaron Plumbing, and you're the

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Speaker 9: hero man for Dary.

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Speaker 7: Quick put your hand out from you ready.

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Speaker 9: One hundred two hundred, three hundred, four hundred, five hundred,

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Speaker 9: six hundred, seven hundred, eight hundred nine hundred, one thousand

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Speaker 9: dollars for you, my friend, to start that new life

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Speaker 9: because you're a hero.

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Speaker 7: Appreciate.

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Speaker 2: How do you feel.

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Speaker 7: What's going through your mind right now? What's going through

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Speaker 7: your mind.

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Speaker 8: That feels good?

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Speaker 4: In a world where most pull out phones, he picked

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Speaker 2: One thousand dollars.

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Speaker 7: Decis is proving it pays to be kind, do the

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Speaker 7: right thing. You hope people out.

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Speaker 2: Ramon, can you play the opening of that again?

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Speaker 4: Dairy Queen may be known for their blizzards, but the

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Speaker 4: chilling encounter with a pipe wielding robber is enough to

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Speaker 2: In the track. My goodness, I hate when people do that.

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Speaker 2: That is the worst.

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Speaker 3: When they find words that fit with that and they

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Speaker 3: deliver it like they're so proud of it, That is

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Speaker 3: the absolute worst thing ever. Anyway, The Michael Berry Show

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Speaker 3: received exclusive audio of the good Samaritan that stopped the robbery.

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Speaker 3: Let's just say it was a bad day for the

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Speaker 3: loser who decided to rob a Texas dairy queen.

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Speaker 2: Seriously, you're robbing a dairy queen. What's wrong with you?

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Speaker 1: You weren't yourself a belt buster? What did the five

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Speaker 1: steak fingers say to the face heard you had a

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Speaker 1: sweet tooth. But it's your lucky day now serving peanut

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Speaker 1: butter nut buster? Oh how about a banana? Split your

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Speaker 1: head open?

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Speaker 2: Hey, where are you going?

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Speaker 3: You didn't even touch your blizzard top of cracked nuts.

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Speaker 3: Twenty sixth anniversary of Bonfire. We say it every year,

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Speaker 3: We'll say it again. Traditions are important, They're meaningful, they matter,

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Speaker 3: They create deep connection. You go to any school that

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Speaker 3: doesn't have deep traditions, say hey, what would you pay

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Speaker 3: for Texas tradition? An A and M tradition? What would

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Speaker 3: you pay to have one of these deep, rich traditions

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Speaker 3: like what they do at you know, the ring ceremony

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Speaker 3: this past weekend for the ages. He worth a lot

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Speaker 3: of money.

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Speaker 2: Nil.

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Speaker 3: If you could just import that, if you could give

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Speaker 3: your alumni that level of connection to the school man,

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Speaker 3: you'd pay anything for it. I understand it. It was

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Speaker 3: a horrible thing. But I also think that a lot

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Speaker 3: of people make knee jerk reactions like this because it

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Speaker 3: is easier to do that than to figure out a

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Speaker 3: nuanced way to navigate how to make this happen, how

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Speaker 3: to make this tradition continue, how to give alumni something

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Speaker 3: very special. It is inherently dangerous, but I don't know

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Speaker 3: if you noticed this. It's inherently dangerous for three hundred

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Speaker 3: pound men to fly around a field smashing each other

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Speaker 3: at every different direction, but we do it.

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Speaker 2: It liberal tiers.

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Speaker 11: Because I didn't get a single time start here that

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Speaker 11: our country is failing you today, invest in KLEENICX, ladies

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Speaker 11: and gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: And this is the Michael Berry Show. Twenty six years

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Speaker 2: ago today. The Aggie Bomb Bar collapse.

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Speaker 3: That approximately two forty two am November eighteenth, nineteen ninety nine,

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Speaker 3: the fifty nine foot high stack consisting of about five

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Speaker 3: and former students working on the stack. Twelve were killed,

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Speaker 3: twenty seven injured. Immediately after the collapse, emergency medical technicians

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Speaker 3: Emergency Care Team. A student run volunteer service who staffed

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Speaker 3: each stage of construction, administered first aid. Temmick alerted the

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Speaker 3: who dispatched all remaining university medics and requested mutual aid

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Speaker 3: from these surrounding agencies. In addition the mutual aid received

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Speaker 3: police departments, members of Texas Task Force one, the state's

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Speaker 2: The twelve who.

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Speaker 3: Died This was ninety nine Miranda Denise Adams two, so

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Speaker 3: she would have been a freshman. I guess Christopher D.

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Speaker 3: Breen who had graduated three earlier. Three years earlier. Oh,

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Speaker 3: she must have been a sophomore. Miranda Michael Stephen Ebanks

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Speaker 2: He's three.

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Speaker 3: Jeremy Richard Frampton a senior, Jamie Lynn Hand freshman, Christopher

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Speaker 3: he'd be in a sophomore at that point. It's a

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Speaker 3: terrible tragedy, it is. But I think you have to

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Speaker 2: Every time you get into your automobile. It is dangerous.

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Speaker 3: I think there is a fear a failure that prevents

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Speaker 3: most things. Many things that are the most fun are

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Speaker 3: inherently dangerous. There's no reason to make them more so.

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Speaker 3: But there are a lot of things we do that

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Speaker 3: So it was good until there was an error. Bungee

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Speaker 3: This bonfire, I never went to it, but it was

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Speaker 3: Creating community across multiple generations.

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Speaker 2: It's a hard thing to do.

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Speaker 3: The University of Houston's pie capa Phi fraternity has been

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Speaker 3: shut down after a hazing incident led to a person

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Speaker 2: KHOU with a story. This is a timeline of what

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Speaker 12: On November third, and on UAH student was hospitalized following

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Speaker 12: alleged hazing activities. The student was later released from the hospital.

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Speaker 12: The reported conduct includes physical abuse, force consumption, and public humiliation.

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Speaker 12: On November sixth, the fraternity that first to themselves as

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Speaker 12: same day, the university started its investigations. On Friday, the

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Speaker 12: A statement from the University of Houston Region part quote,

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Speaker 12: the events investigated are deeply disturbing and represent a clear

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Speaker 12: violation of our community standards.

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Speaker 2: While only a small group of students.

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Speaker 12: Are alleged to be involved, the university does not tolerate

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Speaker 12: hazing in any form. The university says what happens to

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Speaker 12: the students will be addressed after the outcome of the

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Speaker 3: Hazing stupid right, I think, especially women's why do you

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Speaker 3: do these stupid things? Because it's not natural to women,

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Speaker 3: it is natural to men. It can go too far,

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Speaker 3: often does the concept of hazing, teasing, whatever you want

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Speaker 3: to call that initiation? We have that in every aspect

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Speaker 3: of life, your first day of kindergarten, first day of

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Speaker 3: any school, when you join an organization, there is a

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Speaker 3: concept of rights of passage, and some people just take

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Speaker 3: it too far. Simple as that. So what is your

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Speaker 3: hazing story? Could have been at work, could have been

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Speaker 2: What do they ever do?

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Speaker 13: It could have been in a.

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Speaker 2: Fraternity, fraternity that didn't sell like me, did it?

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Speaker 3: Seven one three nine nine one thousand, seven one three

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Speaker 3: nine one thousand, Get right to your point sometimes a story.

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Speaker 3: Oh boy, I got a story. What is your hazing initiation?

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Speaker 3: Whatever the term was used, story? Seven one three nine

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Speaker 4: This point, you may be asking yourself why am I

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Speaker 7: Your and the answer, ladies, is trust.

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Speaker 2: This is your first test.

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Speaker 7: Do you trust that we've.

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Speaker 14: Provided you with enough slacks and your block will land.

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Speaker 2: Safely on the lawn? Sir, Yes, sir?

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Speaker 1: And Blue, yes, sir? Do you trust it?

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Speaker 2: I don't want to see you die here tonight. Sorry, yes, sir, Blue,

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Speaker 14: But oh thanks, says to the end, I just prepared

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Speaker 5: We did?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, true Texas original, true national treasure.

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Speaker 7: Don't messing around with the old.

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Speaker 2: This is the Michael Barry Show.

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Speaker 3: After a hazing incident at the University of Houston got

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Speaker 3: Animals do it. Animals do it in every different way

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Speaker 7: We don't.

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Speaker 2: May not like it, but it is the nature. It

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Speaker 3: I have heard sororities can be as bad as fraternities,

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I changed high schools my junior year and.

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Speaker 16: One of the guys that wasn't as much a jerk

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Speaker 3: Well, I suspect it made you a better man, Mike. Generally,

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Speaker 2: It was clearly a rage.

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Speaker 3: And so my buddy says, you think that rage was

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Speaker 15: Sir?

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Speaker 19: All right, sir, so I was in a fraternity obviously

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but hey, it's it's all, as Randy Rogers says,

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Speaker 3: it's all for the sake of the story.

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Speaker 2: Billy, what's your story?

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Speaker 7: My story is?

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Speaker 13: Uh, Billy, I can't hear you back, and I have

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Speaker 2: Hold on, Billy, did you fall in the whill? Billy?

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Speaker 7: I can't hear you.

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Speaker 13: So we were having a rotary party while we were drilling,

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Speaker 13: He said, jo, I'm just sick of our hair.

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Speaker 13: Billy, you dune and uh, And they cut it off

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Speaker 3: You sound like the teacher on Charlie Brown. We can't

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Speaker 2: Billy? Did you lose my number? Billy? Don't be a hero, Billy?

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Speaker 2: Where'd you go?

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Speaker 3: I wonder if Billy Billy doesn't strike me as being

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Speaker 2: But I would love for Billy to go back and

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Speaker 2: the show Tasha in Portland. You're up, sweetheart, go ahead.

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Speaker 5: Good good morning. I was working in a kitchen with

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Speaker 3: Schadenfreud, that's the German word for the fact that we

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Speaker 3: a complicated thing. What is it about watching someone bust

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Speaker 2: What is that Roger? You're on the Michael Berry Show?

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Speaker 2: What's say you?

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Speaker 15: Sir ya?

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Speaker 17: Back in the mid nineties when I was in the military,

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Speaker 18: Like the bear Koala.

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Speaker 17: And what they do is they make you drink about

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Speaker 2: Isn't that funny? What is it in our brain makes

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Speaker 3: To Dan Pastorini's longtime girlfriend, the beautiful Pam Morse.

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Speaker 2: Dante said, do not say her age. She will kill you.

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Speaker 3: If I were Pam Morse's age and I looked ten

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Speaker 3: It's you've literally never in your life seen someone reach

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Speaker 3: Truth is Pastorini looks pretty good for being was eighty seven.

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Speaker 3: I said, hey, as all right if I wish pay

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Speaker 3: After the pipes were kicked off of the University of

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Speaker 3: First day of work when the old timers gave you grief,

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Speaker 3: eggshell plaintiff, and every case has a lesson that you

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Speaker 3: should learn from that case, and the case of the

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Speaker 3: eggshell plaintiff was that you take your victim as you

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Speaker 3: see him, or as you find him. Take your victim

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Speaker 3: as you find him. So what happens is this guy

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Speaker 3: walks up similar story, hits the guy's head, head splits

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Speaker 3: open and did more damage than it would do to

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Speaker 3: you or me because we have normal we have a

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Speaker 3: normal cranium. And the ruling was, when you walk up

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Speaker 3: and hit somebody in the head, you assume the risk

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Speaker 3: that they might not have a normally typically size or

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Speaker 3: strength tensil forehead. So if they have an eggshell thick

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Speaker 3: forehead and you hit them and it kills them, you're

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Speaker 3: still just as liable. Your response can't be what hell,

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Speaker 3: that wouldn't have killed somebody else. Okay, somebody's got to

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Speaker 3: assume that risk, and you're going to you take your

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Speaker 3: victim as you find them.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, there's really no point of that.

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Speaker 3: I just always enjoyed that story. Thomas, you're on the

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Speaker 3: Michael Berry Show. Tell me your story.

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Speaker 10: I'm in this fraternal experience here, but two quick comments

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Speaker 10: and now I'll tell the story that Number one, I

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Speaker 10: love my fraternity. Number two is that the hazing is

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Speaker 10: just a small percentage of the greater good that goes

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Speaker 10: on with the fraternity. So, you know, this happened to

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Speaker 10: be hell night. You know, we knew what was coming,

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Speaker 10: and we were pretty nervous. We were pledges and walking

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Speaker 10: into a house full of active so we had hell night.

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Speaker 10: We got it coming and all right, we're a little nervous,

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Speaker 10: so we crowd up, get into the into the kitchen,

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Speaker 10: and we're all bunched up pretty good. But everybody's drinking,

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Speaker 10: smoking scars, et cetera. And then somehow I get I

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Speaker 10: got shoved a little bit in the back and I

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Speaker 10: was shoved right into a burning cigar. The guy had

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Speaker 10: it in his mouth, and man, it hit me on

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Speaker 10: the edge of my nose and it burned my nose.

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Speaker 10: And I had a burn mark on my nose for

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Speaker 10: a week walking around campus. So that was just a

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Speaker 10: bad deal. But all in all, a good experience with

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Speaker 10: the fraternity.

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Speaker 2: That's that's by and large what I've heard.

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Speaker 3: But you do have to be careful because whatever your

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Speaker 3: limit is, young men are always going to go pass that.

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Speaker 3: So the moment you normalize somebody getting killed, you know,

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Speaker 3: or somebody getting seriously injured, you know, within reason, it's

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Speaker 3: a constant, but it's always a constant when you're dealing

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Speaker 3: with young men, and that's hard for people to understand.

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Speaker 2: When you're fifty four years old, you're passing.

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Speaker 3: Judgment on an eighteen year old college kid or marine

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Speaker 3: or vocational student as to you know what they've done, Well, hell,

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Speaker 3: they're eighteen. There's only two things you're thinking about at eighteen,

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Speaker 3: and one of them is taking up ninety nine percent

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Speaker 3: of your time and energy, and it is drawing you

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Speaker 3: more than any addict ever could. And women will never

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Speaker 3: understand that, ever, understand that it is pure nature instinct.

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Speaker 2: And this is again where we have allowed the.

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Speaker 3: Conversation to be skewed away from real because you have

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Speaker 3: women who don't under have no basis, no knowledge in

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Speaker 3: any of this, who have made it such that these

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Speaker 3: things can't be talked about.

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Speaker 2: Well, they can be talked about right here. Ramon on

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Speaker 2: the Michael Berry's Yo.

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Speaker 15: By god, Greg, you're up, hey, Michael, how's it going good.

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Speaker 18: My story is back in the early eighties, while going

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Speaker 18: through the process and training to become a journeyman lineman,

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Speaker 18: when you were a helper or apprentice, it was very

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Speaker 18: The guys on the crew would grab you, hold you down,

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Speaker 18: pull your pants down, and put some rubber gloves on

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Speaker 18: and paint your pecker. But the kicker is what they

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Speaker 18: would use to paint you. Wasn't just paint.

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Speaker 5: It was that.

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Speaker 18: Remember that ol mathiolate came in the little bottle you

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Speaker 18: put on if you monkey bus yourself or something they

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Speaker 18: put you, they put that mathiolate on you.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's something about.

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Speaker 3: There's something about hazing and initiation with dudes that always

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Speaker 3: involves the pecker that if you were to study it,

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Speaker 3: there's something kind of partially gay about the whole thing

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Speaker 3: if you think about it, because the amount of things

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Speaker 3: related to violating the bunghole are in some way exposing

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Speaker 3: and messing with the peter are not normal.

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Speaker 2: What I say normal, I guess they're.

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Speaker 3: Common, but there is something there that that has always

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Speaker 3: made me a little bit suspicious as to exactly what

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Speaker 3: that's about. My dad, because he's diabetic, had to be

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Speaker 3: very careful with wound care because diabetics don't have the

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Speaker 3: blood flow.

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Speaker 2: They know if you don't get blood to.

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Speaker 3: A wound, that won't heal, and diabetics have trouble healing anyway,

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Speaker 3: And so there was monkey blood at the ready at

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Speaker 3: all times in our home.

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Speaker 2: Tom you're on the Michael Berry Show. Go ahead, Oh, Michael.

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Speaker 15: My first day on the pipeline, when I got out

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Speaker 15: of hospital and young Nickpen. We were on kid and

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Speaker 15: the wilder told me to go with the sky hood

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Speaker 15: that's in the crew next to it. So I took

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Speaker 15: off full well going There ain't nothing to call the

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Speaker 15: sky hood, but I went to that crew. They set

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Speaker 15: me too, the crew up the line, the next crew

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Speaker 15: of the line. I spent half a day walking down

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Speaker 15: the line until the spread man throws up and said,

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Speaker 15: what the heck are you doing down here? I said,

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Speaker 15: I'm looking for the sky hook. You said, get in

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Speaker 15: my truck when we go back to where I was

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Speaker 15: supposed to be. So uh, that's my hazing experience. But Michael,

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Speaker 15: we took the George challenge at my house with my wife.

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Speaker 15: I said, to the way along it.

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Speaker 19: All right?

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Speaker 2: So one three nine nine, one thousand year talking