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Speaker 1: Happy Halloween anyway, As you know, we're big horror fans

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Speaker 1: hope you enjoy this classic Halloween episode. Welcome to Stuff

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Speaker 1: Mom Never told You from House Stop Works dot Com. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the Halloween Slash Show Spectacular. Hello. I'm

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Speaker 1: Caroline and I'm Kristen. I hope there's spooky me music

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Speaker 1: myself already. We're recording this a couple of weeks before Halloween.

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Speaker 1: our topic is women in slasher films and are they

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Speaker 1: Black Christmas. I've never, I've never what is it about?

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Speaker 1: And that's that's all I canna say. Um, it will

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Speaker 1: and fun Halloween indeed, and let us know your favorite

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Speaker 1: to our question of who are your favorite characters on

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Speaker 1: I thought, Caroline, you and I just call out some

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Speaker 1: Gray on Judging Amy. I've never seen Judging Amy. Oh,

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Speaker 1: it was such a good show. I really I really

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Speaker 1: Cagney and Lacey. Oh, okay, okay. Um. I liked how

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Speaker 1: a polarizing figure. Buffy was far and away the number

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Speaker 1: one pick. And you guys also love some Veronica Mars.

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Speaker 1: not successful. Yeah, I never I haven't haven't watched it Blossom. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Daria Darry I I I also had her same attitude

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Speaker 1: some women on TV today Leslie Nope and Liz Lemon

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Speaker 1: Elaine Bennis from Steinfeld. I know, I can't believe that

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Speaker 1: there are so many. I could believe Claire on Modern

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Speaker 1: she of the crimped hair style for Boy Meets World

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Speaker 1: Panga um Audrey Horn from Twin Peaks. I thought was

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Speaker 1: a great um suggestion. She's kind of a creepy character,

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Speaker 1: but I love Sydney Bristow. That's alias right, there, is it? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Clear Fisher from six Ft Under, Donna from Dr Who,

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Speaker 1: Penny from The Big Bang Theory, Laura Holt from Remington's Steel.

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Speaker 1: I loved the variety of all these suggestions. Um, So

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Speaker 1: it's good to know that there are so many good

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Speaker 1: which is kind of sad. Brenda Lee Johnson from The Closure. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I love her and I got I carry her on

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Speaker 1: right she is. She's from Atlanta, but she has just

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Speaker 1: name is, Brenda Lee Johnson, thank you. That's such a

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