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Speaker 1: Welcome into Northside Territory. Foul Territory Networks Cubs Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Sahadev Sharma with my partner Patrick Mooney. We are your

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Speaker 1: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic Patrick, the Cubs

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Speaker 1: drop Game two of the Wildcard series to the padres.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know a lot a lot happened in that game.

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Speaker 2: It feels like and and I think it will be

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Speaker 2: one at least for some where. There's a lot of

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Speaker 2: second guessing of Craig Council. Uh, showed him Anaga did

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Speaker 2: not start and your Kittridge it comes out as an opener.

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Speaker 2: He gives up one run and then you see showed

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Speaker 2: him Anaga come in pitch pretty well. And then probably

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Speaker 2: the biggest question mark UH like this here. The setup

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Speaker 2: is he walks Fernando Tatis with one out and Mike

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Speaker 2: Shild decides to bunt him over with with Louise Luis

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Speaker 2: Arris and and instead of walking Manny Machado or bringing

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Speaker 2: in a right handed reliever to face many Matchado, he

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Speaker 2: has showed him and now I got pitch to him

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Speaker 2: and Machado unloads and sends two run shot into the

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Speaker 2: left field bleachers. One run, one nothing game becomes a

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Speaker 2: three nothing game. And with that Padre's bullpen and the

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Speaker 2: way Dylan Cees pitched, the game was over. H that's

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Speaker 2: I think that is the moment that we can focus on.

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Speaker 2: For me, I think the kid Ridge opener, it doesn't

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Speaker 2: bother me that much. I thought he pitched fine. I

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Speaker 2: thought they had really good at bats against him. So

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Speaker 2: I went back and watched those pitches. They were good pitches.

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Speaker 2: They just got some hits. The double steal is worse

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Speaker 2: than the hits.

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Speaker 1: In my opinion.

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Speaker 2: And then and then you know that I I still

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Speaker 2: don't fully get the pitching to Machado.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you're right. That home run, like it

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Speaker 3: felt like a Grand Slam like it it was only

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Speaker 3: like only three runs air quotes, It felt like way

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Speaker 3: more than that. Just the way Wrigley has played, How

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Speaker 3: good the Padres bullpen is, how that just kind of

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Speaker 3: flipped things for them.

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Speaker 2: Ah.

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Speaker 3: I didn't like love the Kiddrid's decision, to be honest, like,

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Speaker 3: but as long as it works, it's fine. Right, Like

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Speaker 3: we were talking after Game one about council, we wrote

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Speaker 3: it pressed all the right bullpen buttons, I mean, getting

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Speaker 3: you know, half a perfect game from your bullpen. Obviously,

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Speaker 3: you know they know what they're doing. I guess, at least,

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Speaker 3: you know, taking it from a cup's perspective, they have

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Speaker 3: been doing stuff like this all year. It's not like, oh,

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Speaker 3: they get to the playoffs and they did something totally different.

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Speaker 3: I think they've sort of laid the groundwork for decision

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Speaker 3: like that. And I do think that kind of by

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Speaker 3: bumping showed to back an inning, I think you start

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Speaker 3: kind of maybe overcompensate in that sense, you know, like

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Speaker 3: would you rather face Machado in the first inning with

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Speaker 3: nobody on or in that snare?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I just don't get the Padres obsession with bunting. That's

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Speaker 3: not just reading our buddy Dennis Lynn's stories, like wait,

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Speaker 3: like that's just what they do, like more than any

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Speaker 3: other team by a wide margin.

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Speaker 1: And so.

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Speaker 3: This has been a great reminder of just how quickly

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Speaker 3: things shift within the playoffs. I mean, game one, Craig

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Speaker 3: counsel genius, this is why you fired David Ross and

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Speaker 3: sign them to a forty million dollar contract, like less

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Speaker 3: than twenty four hours later, it's like, oh, they're kind

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Speaker 3: of getting a little too cute with this, Like you know,

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Speaker 3: Andrew Kittridge kind of a reliever you picked up at

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Speaker 3: the trade deadline because you didn't like the cost of

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Speaker 3: all those closers, the type of pitchers that the Padres

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Speaker 3: went out and got. And then you know, do you

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Speaker 3: disrupt showeda just a little bit. I don't know, he

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Speaker 3: looked pretty good overall, but I think ultimately, and we'll

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Speaker 3: get into this eventually. The second segment, it's like, you

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Speaker 3: can't win if you don't score any runs, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's that is that we can't bury that.

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Speaker 2: And I made sure to put that up near Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: My story, like I just didn't want it to be

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Speaker 2: the story is Craig Council making a decision that I

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Speaker 2: and the others disagree with it. It's the offense not scoring.

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Speaker 2: But I just really ruggle with this decision because it

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Speaker 2: felt like their obsession with bunting handed you in out

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Speaker 2: and now an easy decision.

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Speaker 1: And and when when you go.

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Speaker 2: Through the thought process of of going with Kittridge, it's

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Speaker 2: to keep Managa away from Tatise and Machado. Like it's

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Speaker 2: as simple as that. He's trying to get like limit

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Speaker 2: the amount of advts. He just gave you a reason

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Speaker 2: to limit the amount of times and Managa faces Machado,

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Speaker 2: he gave you an easy out. And and look, Jackson

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Speaker 2: Merrill is no pushover, but against lefties he is not

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Speaker 1: He's just not. It's a it's a huge split.

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Speaker 2: Uh. And and I think I thought it was easy,

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Speaker 2: just put a four fingers and and and send him

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Speaker 2: to first base. Soroka was warming. I would have been

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Speaker 2: fine if he brought in Soroca. That The problem with

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Speaker 2: bringing Croka to face Machado is if say you walk

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Speaker 2: him or or he gets like an infield single and

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Speaker 2: the run doesn't score. Now you have to face Jackson Merrill.

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Speaker 2: And so I think I think intentionally walking was the

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Speaker 2: right move. Council said, he thought about it.

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Speaker 1: This is what I.

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Speaker 2: Find fans fascinating. Council said, what changed? Like, I guess

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Speaker 2: it didn't change his mind. But why he's stuck with

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Speaker 2: Imnaga's because he liked the way he looked.

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Speaker 1: He liked the ways he looked.

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Speaker 2: And this is what is what does counsol get, not

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Speaker 2: just council, but today's game of manager.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all these guys, oh they have everything. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: They never stray from they they don't watch the game,

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Speaker 2: they don't go with their gut, they don't go with

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Speaker 2: what they're seeing.

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Speaker 1: He went with what he was seeing, and it was

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Speaker 1: the wrong move. It was the wrong move. Uh, he

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Speaker 1: should have gone with the numbers. I think it's as

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Speaker 2: It's uh, don't I very you know me, I very

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Speaker 2: rarely think like I think it's important to harp on

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Speaker 2: a managerial decision, mostly because these are just coin flip decisions,

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Speaker 2: and these are just things that A. They have so

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Speaker 2: much more information than us. B. I think fans think

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Speaker 2: many of us think, not just fans. It shouldn't just

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Speaker 2: limited fans. Many people think it's just like, well, the

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Speaker 2: decision that I wanted to make was the right one

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Speaker 2: when it's like fifty point one percent to forty nine

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean absolutely the other way was the right way

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Speaker 2: to go. Baseball's crazy like that, and it's really these

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Speaker 2: decisions are really hard. This one felt like a little

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Speaker 2: bit more. Uh, he should have gone, you know, you

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Speaker 2: don't don't let the stars break out in the postseason,

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Speaker 2: it feels like, don't let them, don't let them shine.

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Speaker 2: Not that Jackson Merrill is a pushover again, it just

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Speaker 2: it just felt I felt like he had the decision

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Speaker 3: I mean, Jackson Merrill obviously had a great season last year,

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Speaker 3: but he is in reading Dennis Lyn's coverage and watching

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Speaker 3: that bunt in Game one, like he has not been

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Speaker 3: feeling it. And I still think, you know, Manny Machado

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Speaker 3: lineup of Machado and Tatis cannot beat us. I think

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Speaker 3: that's what you go into any of these series thinking.

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Speaker 3: And it did just feel inconsistent of like, Okay, if

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Speaker 3: they've done it all year. It's very like we discussed

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Speaker 3: out of character kind of for the Cubs DNA about

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Speaker 3: how this, you know, kind of franchise was rebuilt into

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Speaker 3: a championship team obviously a decade ago, why you would

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Speaker 3: not give him that open base. I'm with you, like,

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Speaker 3: if the Cubs lose Game three, I feel like that

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Speaker 3: lose this series. It's probably gonna because their offense just

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Speaker 3: didn't show up, but it's gonna be It's like, immediately

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Speaker 3: from showing up to the ballpark today, we knew like

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Speaker 3: way or the other, going with the opener and kind

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Speaker 3: of setting off that sequence. But yeah, the Padres won

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Speaker 3: because their stars, their best players, showed up in a

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Speaker 1: Patrick. The stars for the Padres showed up on on Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: Manny Machado obviously we talked about him. Fernando Tatis led

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Speaker 2: the game off with the single, had a big walk

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Speaker 2: that set up the Machado home run. Dylan Cees was

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Speaker 2: really good. It didn't pitch very long, but he did

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Speaker 2: what he needed to do because he turned it over

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Speaker 2: to a star laden bullpen that was awesome. Mason Miller

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Speaker 2: threw a pitch one hundred and four point five miles

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Speaker 2: I turned to our buddy John Greenberg and said, how

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Speaker 2: has he allowed and he runs this season? Like, how

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Speaker 1: Given up a run? I don't understand.

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Speaker 2: Really impressive bullpen, really impressive group of stars that showed up.

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Speaker 2: You know, they didn't pound the Cubs. It wasn't like

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Speaker 2: some blowout, but the Cub stars haven't shown up. Kyle

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think these matchups have just been rough.

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Speaker 2: And uh these moments are fun, but I think fans

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Speaker 1: One of the two. We'll be talking soon and coming

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Speaker 1: back at you with another episode.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for so much for listening. This is Northside Territory.

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