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Speaker 4: above board on against the chronicles.
Speaker 3: We was having a conversation earlier off air man as
Speaker 3: it pertains to DJ Quick and Doctor Dre.
Speaker 4: I'm not having that conversation that conversation board. I just
Speaker 4: had that conversation.
Speaker 3: But you know what though, and it's not gonna be
Speaker 3: a long drawn out thing. DJ Quick is necessary to
Speaker 3: the Doctor Drake ecosystem.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but listen, I'm gonna tell you why this is
Speaker 4: a weird conversation to have publicly, because it would require
Speaker 4: people to have some experience in music, like if you
Speaker 4: asked the average person, like I got into this conversation
Speaker 4: multiple times where I tried to explain to people like
Speaker 4: Rick James was influential to Prince and Michael Jackson, right,
Speaker 4: And the reason most people don't know that is because
Speaker 4: they don't realize Prince and Rick James came out the
Speaker 4: same year with they project, and Rick James had it
Speaker 4: hit first, right, which is Mary James.
Speaker 1: And at that.
Speaker 4: Time, Prince was really like this really brilliant musician who
Speaker 4: you could tell was classically trained, just this bad motherfucker,
Speaker 4: but he had like this weird kind of pop feel.
Speaker 1: And Rick came out, you know that up State New.
Speaker 4: York nigga was just the nigga, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: and his shit took off, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: So hints fast forward, you have Prince opening up for
Speaker 4: Rick James. You know, most people think Prince started with
Speaker 4: Purple Rain, and that's just not true.
Speaker 1: It's four or.
Speaker 4: Five albums in, like most people think Michael Jackson started
Speaker 4: it off the Wall. That's four or five albums in
Speaker 4: as a solo artist, right, So it's a weird conversation
Speaker 4: to have. I remember having that conversation that somebody was
Speaker 4: talking about the keyboard that Rick James stole from Prince,
Speaker 4: but then he made Super Free and Prince didn't have
Speaker 4: no Super Freak in No.
Speaker 1: Nineteen eighty two eighty three. They have a cut like that.
Speaker 4: So I think it's hard for people to look at
Speaker 4: it like that because they'll look at it Rick James
Speaker 4: like they'll look at Quick and they won't get the
Speaker 4: brilliance of it.
Speaker 1: I mean, people look at Rick James like.
Speaker 4: A almost like cause like a joke because of the
Speaker 4: Day Chapelle show. You know, shout out to Day because
Speaker 4: it ain't Dave Fault, but that joke was so well,
Speaker 4: you know, Cocaine's the hell of a drug.
Speaker 1: That people don't think.
Speaker 4: Rick was as dope because they like, well, he wasn't
Speaker 4: as big as prince in Michael Jackson. They don't realize
Speaker 4: MTV wouldn't play his videos at a time, man, MTV
Speaker 4: was breaking black artists to the whole world.
Speaker 3: I would tell you this first hand as an old head,
Speaker 3: Rick James was almost like the first R and B rapper.
Speaker 3: He had like a rapper statue for almost like you
Speaker 3: know how gangster rapper has a certain stature. Everybody played
Speaker 3: Rick James in the hood Doog. Those were phenomenal records
Speaker 3: that were very huge in the neighborhood that everybody's house
Speaker 3: you went to they had that on they and you
Speaker 3: know we were spinning wax back then. Everybody would play
Speaker 3: those records. Man, everybody would play those records, you know.
Speaker 4: So so to have that conversation picking up from where
Speaker 4: you at, to have that conversation is hard because you
Speaker 4: asking a bunch of people who just consume music. They
Speaker 4: don't know anything about music to appreciate quick you know,
Speaker 4: contribution to West Coast it even a doctor dre like that.
Speaker 4: That would be like understanding Rick James's contribution to Michael
Speaker 4: Jackson and Quincy Jones, Like, I had this conversation earlier too,
Speaker 4: before I talked to you, and I was saying, like,
Speaker 4: the difference between DJ Quicks Tonight and Doctor Dre's G Thang.
Speaker 1: Is the music video.
Speaker 4: Hip Hop is the first genre that led with the
Speaker 4: culture before the music, and most people don't trip off that.
Speaker 1: They think it's just music.
Speaker 4: But when Quick did the video for you know, Tonight,
Speaker 4: because Tonight was a huge song.
Speaker 1: When I was little, it was big. But the video is.
Speaker 4: Quick rapping in like a like a field of purple
Speaker 4: flowers with a refrigerator, and it's kind of hieroglyphic, kind
Speaker 4: of glitchy video. When G Thang is literally just la
Speaker 4: and all its glory, you know, the EESA highlights, lo riding, you.
Speaker 1: Know, parties for Q's beer.
Speaker 3: You know, so it was a hood party.
Speaker 4: And it goes back to the same thing with Michael
Speaker 4: Jackson and Rick James and Prince The ability to showcase
Speaker 4: his abilities on MTV changed the career of Michael Jackson,
Speaker 4: it changed.
Speaker 1: The career of Prince Hell. Most people don't know that
Speaker 1: MTV financed the Thriller video.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I tell you, man. The difference
Speaker 3: is with DJ Quick and Doctor Dre. I would say this,
Speaker 3: I would say Should Knight Should Knight was very influential
Speaker 3: man and giving Dre's direction, you know Old I'm gonna
Speaker 3: take that back. Easy Sure initially, you know easy he
Speaker 3: initially he started, and I think Should kind of built
Speaker 3: the pun with Easy Saw, you know, because they came
Speaker 3: from a commonplace, so to speak, and they gave him
Speaker 3: that because Doctor Dray don't like gangster rat, you know,
Speaker 3: you know, one of the dudes that's one of the greatest,
Speaker 3: the most influential people in the genre, don't really care
Speaker 3: for against the rap like that's fair.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's some degree.
Speaker 3: I would definitely say that if it was up to Dre,
Speaker 3: he would have probably been producing nas and you know
Speaker 3: some of those other type of rappers, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. I think he's always wanted in the East
Speaker 3: Coast MC.
Speaker 4: But I mean, as somebody who was born in the
Speaker 4: early sixties, you know what I mean, he grew up
Speaker 4: to East Coast hip hop, so that makes sense.
Speaker 1: I mean, you.
Speaker 3: Think about the sn some of the signings he's ad,
Speaker 3: you know, Rod Kim all the you know, the Trioca
Speaker 3: people from the East coast, I forget who was all
Speaker 3: in the group, so forgetting me Cormega Nis and you know,
Speaker 3: the firm, the whole firm thing, right. I think he's
Speaker 3: always wanted something like that to work. But his production
Speaker 3: is very much rooted than Funk. Well.
Speaker 4: I mean initially it was like dope breaks, right, it
Speaker 4: was dope breaks.
Speaker 1: But the death row time, you know, you could hear
Speaker 1: the Funk get loose.
Speaker 4: And a lot of his ideas, the chronic you can
Speaker 4: see he kind of stuck his foot in the water.
Speaker 4: But I mean, I like to say he don't listen.
Speaker 4: Somewhere along the line, things worked out for doctor dre
Speaker 4: I mean, minus his years of studying. You know, he's
Speaker 4: even before you know, his single comes out, g thing
Speaker 4: comes out. You know, he's ten years deep in making records.
Speaker 3: I think Doctor here is a phenomenal I'm gonna tell
Speaker 3: you what, Doctor Drake got a thumb up on a
Speaker 3: lot of people that too. What people don't understand is
Speaker 3: that Interscope was a label that was ran by a
Speaker 3: producer and an engineer. Jimmy Ivien is probably one of
Speaker 3: the greatest engineers of all time. I think people don't,
Speaker 3: you know, the average common person don't know that Jimmy
Speaker 3: Ivien was engineer.
Speaker 1: Well, he was greatest, one of the greatest.
Speaker 3: He was one of the greatest, dude, he was Bruce S.
Speaker 3: Brainstein's engineer.
Speaker 4: I just wouldn't think of that as one of the
Speaker 4: best mixed albums. No disrespect to Bruce Brainstein's music.
Speaker 3: Man, Bruce. You know, that's a whole different genre of music.
Speaker 3: So that's a whole different conversation. But Jimmy knows sonics.
Speaker 1: Jim Jimmy understands Jimmy Jimmy bad as motherfucker, and.
Speaker 3: Jimmy also understood the importance of having producer led camps.
Speaker 3: He noticed that he recognizes the importance of the producer.
Speaker 3: That's why if you notice that interscope for a long
Speaker 3: time when they were in they hate they when they
Speaker 3: had their successful run. He had gave all of these
Speaker 3: producers these imprints and let them, you know, kind of
Speaker 3: do their thing. He gave Timberland, templand had beat Club,
Speaker 3: Doctor Dra had after mathun Older Don had his thing
Speaker 3: over there. So he was very much in the given
Speaker 3: producers because he understood you have to have a conductor.
Speaker 4: I mean, especially hip hop. You know, starts with the DJ,
Speaker 4: the producers, so that makes sense. But even all the
Speaker 4: greatest musical labels, you know, Motown is you know, it
Speaker 4: ain't just Buriers, Smokey Robinson, Smokey Robinson and.
Speaker 1: The Funk Brothers.
Speaker 3: It's that whole.
Speaker 1: Backing band that they was writing and making the records with.
Speaker 4: You know what, that's the court, the chef, the cook
Speaker 4: is every dying Tenny restaurant that the actual recipe is important.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Shug didn't make a record, dude, But I think
Speaker 3: Sugar understood the importance of the street aesthetics.
Speaker 1: Well, I think Sugar was really a marketing genius to
Speaker 1: his credit.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he was, you know for him to kind
Speaker 3: of take because I remember Snoop rapping before he became
Speaker 3: you know this worldwide Mogo, you know this worldwide just
Speaker 3: you know, major entertainer, probably the most the most popular
Speaker 3: brand in rap music.
Speaker 1: You know, not you can say the greatest hip hop
Speaker 1: parties ever.
Speaker 3: It's okay, you know, the greatest hip hop you know,
Speaker 3: the greatest hip hop artist every right outside of Too Short,
Speaker 3: But that's the whole nother conversation. But you know, Snoop's
Speaker 3: lung Chevy and everything all goes back to pointers he
Speaker 3: took from Sugar to Night. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I think I think it's a combination of Doctor Dre's
Speaker 4: music and should nice marketing, right, sure, I mean, I
Speaker 4: mean I remember for sure, I remember Stories d seeing
Speaker 4: them talking about you know, it was supposed to be
Speaker 4: death Roll like Death Jam, and Sugar understood what it
Speaker 4: needed to be called Death Row right as far as
Speaker 4: the whole prison aesthetics. I mean, Sugar was smart changing
Speaker 4: Snoop's name to Snoop Doggie Dog right, and Sugar understood
Speaker 4: that you needed to bring the streets. You know, It's
Speaker 4: crazy because I had a really deep thought that Boys
Speaker 4: in the Hood was instrumental in what Death Row was
Speaker 4: about to do from a branding perspective.
Speaker 1: Like once they saw the success of.
Speaker 4: Boys in the Hood being this kind of inner city movie,
Speaker 4: but it showcased certain parts, they realized at that point
Speaker 4: they had to really showcase the culture because before that
Speaker 4: you didn't see No Riders in music video.
Speaker 1: They wasn't the centerpiece. But after the movie Boys in.
Speaker 4: The Hood and g Thing came out and they had
Speaker 4: all them low and you would just see Los Angeles
Speaker 4: and all his glory, you know, the greatest points of it.
Speaker 4: So I think that was a separation between Quick and
Speaker 4: Dre at that time. I think the records were just
Speaker 4: as good. I think Tonight is just as great of
Speaker 4: a record as G Thing. I think Born and Raised
Speaker 4: is just as great of a record as uh, you know, Dred.
Speaker 1: I think he made the right records. But I think
Speaker 1: what Dre.
Speaker 4: And them did really well versus what Quick in them
Speaker 4: did is Drake captured the essence of the culture visually.
Speaker 3: When you think about DJ.
Speaker 1: Quick too, remember he directed the video for G Thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to think about it like this too.
Speaker 3: Man one of the Quick's biggest records man out here
Speaker 3: in the West coast. Man, you know, outside of his classics,
Speaker 3: Man was a Tony Tony Tony record. Right, Let's get
Speaker 3: down record, Right, that was a phenomenal record, And I
Speaker 3: think that that showcase quicks range man Quick also, man
Speaker 3: had a lot to do with fifty cents record in
Speaker 3: the club then the club record. Damn if I can't
Speaker 3: do it record. You know, he's not mixing in there,
Speaker 3: but he did put his hands on those records. And
Speaker 3: me be being in the studio, you know, me being
Speaker 3: in the studio real quick. I could hear certain things
Speaker 3: on the records, like he kind of got this. You know.
Speaker 3: He don't quantize his snares, just certain little things on
Speaker 3: those records that make those records special that the average
Speaker 3: person may not pay attention to. But that's just the
Speaker 3: stuff that makes him great. Man. He is very, very
Speaker 3: meticulous at certain things. Man, like his snares he actually
Speaker 3: you know to where it'll be sound and fine. But
Speaker 3: just the way he got a certain swing to him,
Speaker 3: the way he coached the vocals in there. It's a man.
Speaker 3: You get a lot going in the studio walk quick Man.
Speaker 4: Style, you know, a lot of mixing, A lot of
Speaker 4: producing is style. No, mixing is very much a part
Speaker 4: of producing, even though it's not credited that way. But
Speaker 4: it's all about style. Like Dre and Quick style is different.
Speaker 4: But obviously when they come together, they meet in the
Speaker 4: middle somewhere.
Speaker 3: Man, that's my thing. Man, I'm gonna good days man
Speaker 3: on games to rac chronicles this year. Man, We're gonna
Speaker 3: make that happen, man, because he has to come out
Speaker 3: and speak to us. Man, that dude is just he's
Speaker 3: a brilliant dude. And I think a lot of times
Speaker 3: him not getting the props he necessarily deserves kind of
Speaker 3: his fault to a certain extent, to a certain degree,
Speaker 3: it's his fault because to me, these dudes man out
Speaker 3: here just don't produce enough records. I remember you had one.
Speaker 3: You had a buzz at one time, gee, when you
Speaker 3: was a rookie in the game that was comfortable to
Speaker 3: the buzz the game had.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't go that far, but it was popping.
Speaker 3: No, you know, you was popping dog. I think the
Speaker 3: only thing that I think what would have took you
Speaker 3: to the next level man, was probably fucking with and
Speaker 3: Dre or something like that, especially being somebody from out here. Right.
Speaker 4: Oh, man, I've had this conversation. I'm glad you brought
Speaker 4: it up. It made me want to talk talk to
Speaker 4: you about it. I think that's what happened to the
Speaker 4: West Coast, you know, like remove all the rappers. Let's
Speaker 4: just go with the foundation of records, right, what records
Speaker 4: or even in hip hop? Right, the producer, you know,
Speaker 4: slash DJ, keeps and continues producing artists. Right, so you know,
Speaker 4: let's start at the beginning, right, you got DJ Unknown
Speaker 4: doing nice team. DJ Unknown gave you compters most wanted.
Speaker 4: Doctor Dre right gave you world class record.
Speaker 1: Click. Doctor Dre gave you NWA and Ez DJ Quick
Speaker 1: produced himself. DJ Quick gave you Penthouse players.
Speaker 3: Click.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So each generation is supposed to be scored by the producers,
Speaker 4: and what happened in my generation, in my class MC's
Speaker 4: the producers wasn't producing for us. You know, experience, you know,
Speaker 4: wasn't producing for.
Speaker 3: Us because you didn't get the get you didn't get.
Speaker 3: And what's crazy is cool as you on Warren is
Speaker 3: you never got a Warring g record. You got a
Speaker 3: battle Cat record. You know what I mean? You got
Speaker 3: you got a battle Cat record. But I even think
Speaker 3: still you could have done more with him. And it's
Speaker 3: not for lack of trying. Bro. Them dudes just don't.
Speaker 3: They don't do the work. It's almost like they sit
Speaker 3: around man and they want to pick and choose what
Speaker 3: they do. Them dudes is lazy. That's why they don't
Speaker 3: get the props they supposed to get. Man, And then
Speaker 3: they want to say people not fucking with them.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's lazy.
Speaker 4: I won't say that because they do the work right,
Speaker 4: even Battle, Cat Warren.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and those are great people. And this ain't no.
Speaker 4: Snap, No, I'm saying they make beats every day. Like
Speaker 4: I talk to Warren kind of often.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: I probably talked to war once or twice three times
Speaker 4: a month, you know, I mean, like I'll check in
Speaker 4: with Eman. But they he make beats all the fucking time.
Speaker 4: It's just getting him to take his fucking hand off
Speaker 4: the fucking beats, like let us have them like them
Speaker 4: and Cat, if they died them, niggas is gonna die
Speaker 4: with four thousand beats in the vault.
Speaker 1: I'm not exaggerating.
Speaker 4: Cat has hundreds of beats that just are shitting around.
Speaker 1: Hundreds of beats.
Speaker 3: There's probably some of his most incredible shit that ain't
Speaker 3: never been released. I'm gonna tell you the illest thing
Speaker 3: I've ever seen. Man quick play this one beat one
Speaker 3: day do they had likes and so, and it was
Speaker 3: the first time. Man, this was like before Kanye came
Speaker 3: out with Jesus Walks. Man he had like these. It
Speaker 3: was a marching thing in the background with a heavy
Speaker 3: aid the way up under right, and it was the
Speaker 3: craziest beat I ever heard. Man. He erased that motherfucker
Speaker 3: dog because he couldn't get the snare on there right. Man.
Speaker 3: The tripped me the fuck out. I was like, why
Speaker 3: don't you put this shit out? Man? This shit would sound.
Speaker 1: Crazy, But you know what, I know what that feels like.
Speaker 4: Like I didn't know what that felt like probably four
Speaker 4: years ago, but I know what that feels like now, man.
Speaker 4: And like I did a record with Problem Problem produced
Speaker 4: with me and Mossburg going back and forth, and I
Speaker 4: could just never see how to finish the record, so
Speaker 4: I lost interest. Like, don't get me wrong, if you
Speaker 4: hear the rapping parts of it, me and Mossburg going
Speaker 4: back and forth is incredible, but the cores being satisfied
Speaker 4: with the coors figuring out how to finish the record.
Speaker 1: I never, you know, was interested another finishing the record.
Speaker 4: So I just let him have the record and he
Speaker 4: put it on Comport Story Part two and he did
Speaker 4: a hook and push sugar Free you need you know,
Speaker 4: he changed the dynamics of the record, which was cool
Speaker 4: to me. But when you get into this shit, man,
Speaker 4: it really matters. It really matters. It really matters, big bro, Like,
Speaker 4: how shit samd? How much work I do? I was
Speaker 4: working on the idea for this song called Freaky right,
Speaker 4: you heard it. I end up talking iced tea too short,
Speaker 4: reaching out the bad body, you know, different people just
Speaker 4: to understand Planet Rock.
Speaker 1: I reached out to Lil.
Speaker 4: Egypt, you know what I mean, like little Egyptian liver,
Speaker 4: shout out to Chef Egypt.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: I reached out to so many people to talk to
Speaker 4: them about, you know, how the Midnight Star, you know,
Speaker 4: figuring out where the Midnight Star see.
Speaker 1: You know, Planet Rock happened.
Speaker 4: Where did they see, you know, Egypt, Egypt happening for
Speaker 4: them to know how to adapt it into this R
Speaker 4: and B song, right, which is freaking zoid?
Speaker 1: Which is operator, which is and this is what the
Speaker 1: game is about. You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: The information may not even be usable, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. It may not even be usable, but the
Speaker 4: thirst for the knowledge is what it's all about.
Speaker 1: And that information happened to help me finish my song. Right.
Speaker 4: But there's so many stories I know, information on that
Speaker 4: don't even matter at that time.
Speaker 1: And it's no different than like a song like.
Speaker 4: Tupac Mus DoD when when I asked, you know, dreda
Speaker 4: question like I was talking about making a rap record Shop.
Speaker 1: I was barely rapping. I just started rapping.
Speaker 4: Two three years before that, and the thought of it
Speaker 4: never mattered. The story never made sense to me until
Speaker 4: twenty eighteen when I developed the idea. So hip hop
Speaker 4: is all about this real thirst for knowledge. It's all
Speaker 4: about real thirst for knowledge. And if you ain't thirsty
Speaker 4: for knowledge, it's over.
Speaker 3: It has to be man. You remember the conversation we
Speaker 3: was having with Uncle Hen. Shout out to Uncle Hen.
Speaker 3: He was supposed to be on here tonight, but I
Speaker 3: know he's in Dallas, so he got caught up. But
Speaker 3: you remember how he was telling you man, when we
Speaker 3: first started, when we was the young dudes in the game.
Speaker 3: You know, we had exit pre you know, pre exhibit
Speaker 3: before he blew the fuck up, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: This is before he even got with the liquor crew. Right,
Speaker 3: we had ras Cast and there ras Cast might have
Speaker 3: just this was before Rasy got his deal with Priority.
Speaker 3: This is when he was I think putting the sing
Speaker 3: was out through patch work, you know, he was putting
Speaker 3: out there. He had put out a series of twelve inches.
Speaker 3: That's how he actually got his deal with Priority. Right,
Speaker 3: he had the song where he had the dope ass
Speaker 3: shot a sample and they wouldn't clear the record. Man,
Speaker 3: the won't catch me running. He had that joint, man,
Speaker 3: and it was like a boot camp in there. Man,
Speaker 3: it was a lot of rappers in their dog.
Speaker 4: Shout out to bobcat right, because that's again another one
Speaker 4: of those things where the producers themselves right create the movements.
Speaker 1: You know, the show all the best dope spots.
Speaker 4: It was because the nigga that was cooking the crack
Speaker 4: had a style of how you cook.
Speaker 3: Now, let me give you this look like just picture
Speaker 3: this dog and I think about it sometimes. Man. For me,
Speaker 3: that was just yesterday you had draging them across town
Speaker 3: making the chronic. At that time, we was in the
Speaker 3: studio trying to make art. You know, we had a
Speaker 3: thing and it was dope. See, it was a real
Speaker 3: dope fucking album, man.
Speaker 1: Exhibit.
Speaker 3: This is the problem with West Coast rap because the
Speaker 3: producer wouldn't get the money that he wanted dogs to
Speaker 3: do this shit. It just never came out. Dog, I
Speaker 3: don't know where those records. And to this day, dog
Speaker 3: Bob got a record where him and mc ring is
Speaker 3: going back and forth that some of the most incredible
Speaker 3: shit I ever heard. And if you heard that beat today,
Speaker 3: Bob got a record with him and MC ring going
Speaker 3: back and forth on that motherfucker. It's just all going
Speaker 3: back and forth, no hooking that motherfucker, and I think
Speaker 3: they just doing like a like almost like some run
Speaker 3: DMC type of shit, but it sounds modern. The baseline,
Speaker 3: Bob got some of the funkiest baselines, and I swear
Speaker 3: I believe that's where Cat gets his influence from his
Speaker 3: Bob Cat's baselines. And plus Kat is a superior musician
Speaker 3: to Bob, and Bob just got funky baselines, right.
Speaker 1: Drummer, Yeah, it's just.
Speaker 3: Like this funky drums man and this like this this
Speaker 3: horn thing is kind of like it was just crazy. Man.
Speaker 3: I wanted to rap on that record so bad. That
Speaker 3: record made me step my game up because I was like, damn,
Speaker 3: I wish I could wrap that dog. Wren was on
Speaker 3: that And this is when Wren was in his prime.
Speaker 3: Like Rin was fucking shit up.
Speaker 4: Me and Joey was just talking about every song that
Speaker 4: nigga fuck is somebody bitch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was just fucking this. You know. Ren always
Speaker 3: had flows dog and then we had this he had
Speaker 3: this other song on there man where he had kind
Speaker 3: of liked and you know what's funny, dog, You can
Speaker 3: hear different songs later on down the line that might
Speaker 3: have came out of Dred Studio and this ain't no
Speaker 3: dish nobody, but you can tell they had kind of
Speaker 3: bit Bob like Tupac did a lot of work. Bob
Speaker 3: Cat was the first cat in the West Coast to
Speaker 3: work with Tupac. I'm the guy first got cat from LA.
Speaker 3: Not the first guy, but he was the first dude
Speaker 3: from LA. Yeah. So Bob had all these records right
Speaker 3: that he had made for pop that files got lost
Speaker 3: on one like I'm gonna tell you one and Pooh wound
Speaker 3: up redoing the record right but outlaw moritals on yourself,
Speaker 3: great bout on to somebody greater than yourself. Trick that
Speaker 3: right there. Bob's beat was so fucking amazing because you know,
Speaker 3: Bob stays up in the one thirty two damnitar two
Speaker 3: hundred bpm rings. Everything Bob do is kind of like
Speaker 3: just from a DJ perspective, and that record sounded so
Speaker 3: crazy man like phenomenon and even the one out of
Speaker 3: all of them records, Bob wound up putting house at
Speaker 3: me on there, you know what I mean. But he
Speaker 3: had so many records with Pop. You gotta remember. I
Speaker 3: think it was POC's second album. Bob Damnitar produced the
Speaker 3: whole first second album and one with him The Cube
Speaker 3: and Deadly Thread on there, pum Bis. How you're like
Speaker 3: me now? I was in there when they was doing
Speaker 3: that shit dog Yeah, just ahm. And if you would
Speaker 3: have told me to date man almost almost thirty some
Speaker 3: years later, that that nigga would be a fucking legend dog,
Speaker 3: I thought Tupac was just a regular nigga. Dog Sure,
Speaker 3: sure that's there. I mean, like, you know, don't getting
Speaker 3: that's not no dis because he was a cool nigga.
Speaker 1: I tell people all the time of real life, Park
Speaker 1: was underdog M.
Speaker 3: He was, and he was a cool nigga. And I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna sit up here in front like oh me
Speaker 3: and you was boys and this and that. But that's
Speaker 3: how me and Psychic got coolure you know, doing all this.
Speaker 3: The Psyche was around during that time, like psych You
Speaker 3: know that song my Closest road Dog, That song is
Speaker 3: about Psyche. He was with Park the whole motherfucking time.
Speaker 3: You can you can hear psych influencing Park, like when
Speaker 3: it doing the yay yay and all that stuff and
Speaker 3: making his voice deep into what it really is because
Speaker 3: Punk had a nice tone that when he talked anyway.
Speaker 4: But man, a dude, you like influence, You like something
Speaker 4: I got from Bobe rest in peace. Bob is a
Speaker 4: prano right y, G is a U when I'm starting
Speaker 4: to beat qing is Ah, that's something like a pace set,
Speaker 4: like a soul set that I do it before my
Speaker 4: verse start. Yeah, Like that's Booby.
Speaker 3: Booby was hard. Booby had swag like a motherfucker dog.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that natural.
Speaker 4: It's that natural ship that you get from people that
Speaker 4: don't really get a lot of credit.
Speaker 3: Yeah for those that don't know, man, Booby is make
Speaker 3: tins cuz all right.
Speaker 4: Yeah he did the hook on Rest, He did the
Speaker 4: uh life is driving Me crazy?
Speaker 3: Yatimtamony. Yeah, Booby is like incredible. Yeah I missed.
Speaker 1: He was a natural.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean and we be in the studio and honestly,
Speaker 4: I was probably Booby's biggest fan more than everybody. I
Speaker 4: just thought the world and I thought he had just
Speaker 4: like this natural style. I just think that if somebody
Speaker 4: would have took the time to produce him, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, just stay on him, you probably would
Speaker 4: have had like one of the greatest, Like he could
Speaker 4: have been like the next great thing compared to like
Speaker 4: a snoop dog, because to me, that's who his style was.
Speaker 4: He was like this natural dude that a freestyle ideas
Speaker 4: and he had this swagger that was through the roof
Speaker 4: and his confidence and they were just dope.
Speaker 3: But then not having how he lived, Booby rapped like
Speaker 3: he lived. Booby was a laid back, hustler dog. And
Speaker 3: I remember one Christmas, Man, you know, I could talk
Speaker 3: about it now. You remember when that I forget what
Speaker 3: they was. They had to be the ps the PlayStations, right,
Speaker 3: Booby laced me up. Man. I gave Booby five hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: Booby came back with me PlayStations. I had like two PlayStations,
Speaker 3: two TVs. That was when they had the Plasmas. Gee,
Speaker 3: the Plasmas first came out and he just laced me
Speaker 3: and I and I asked, how did you get all
Speaker 3: this shit for fire? He said, don't worry about the dog.
Speaker 3: You got laced, you got hooked up.
Speaker 1: Booby is special man.
Speaker 4: That was my guy man, Like, he's the first artist
Speaker 4: that that was a solo artist that I took to.
Speaker 3: Like.
Speaker 1: Well, I liked him, and I was like, I like him,
Speaker 1: you know what I.
Speaker 3: Mean because I like him to dog. I don't think
Speaker 3: Mac knew what to do with him though.
Speaker 4: Well I don't think that's really the question. Mac is
Speaker 4: a rapper, so it's not about it if he knew
Speaker 4: what to do. Again, it goes back to producers. It
Speaker 4: goes back to producers picking artists to produce. Like I
Speaker 4: was saying this to my home where I'm like, there's
Speaker 4: no way, like I get it. Maybe Premier, you know,
Speaker 4: shout out to Premier, but Premier should have some twenty
Speaker 4: year old New York artists that he's producing, just putting
Speaker 4: it out. It shouldn't even be about money. It shouldn't
Speaker 4: even be about anything. Same for battle Cat saying for Ware,
Speaker 4: it's no way that these legendary producers. You know, this
Speaker 4: is why hip hop fit makes agism a real threat
Speaker 4: to a lot of people, right because somewhere along the line,
Speaker 4: the artists the producers decide that they're gonna not conform
Speaker 4: to wherever's going on to hip hop currently, like not tonically,
Speaker 4: but the business they get away from just the foundation
Speaker 4: of AI make music as a dope DJ and I'm
Speaker 4: going to produce artists. Right, they leave that and you know,
Speaker 4: maybe they experienced success in the business.
Speaker 1: It happened to Jelly world.
Speaker 4: What happened in Battle Call where these guys are getting
Speaker 4: fifty and one hundred thousand dollars a beat and then
Speaker 4: that becomes the status quo. It's happening, honestly, big bro
Speaker 4: in boxing, where you look at some of the like
Speaker 4: the Deontay Wilder last fight. People think it's over for
Speaker 4: Deontay Wilder and know he's thirty eight, But I'm telling them,
Speaker 4: I'm like, he's a late bloomer. He started that twenty
Speaker 4: so he's only had fourteen years as a pro.
Speaker 1: He's fine. Well, you know, he just he's not a
Speaker 1: great boxer. You cannot be.
Speaker 4: You can't be a talented boxer whin le bronze medal,
Speaker 4: So he has to have some talent. You ain't gonna
Speaker 4: knock everybody out in the Olympics. It's the how much
Speaker 4: you fight. Those boxers get to a place to where
Speaker 4: they're making two million, ten million, twenty million, and what
Speaker 4: happens is they stop boxing often, and so you have
Speaker 4: a Dante Wider who's fought one round in twenty six
Speaker 4: months fighting against a Joe Parker who's a talented boxer
Speaker 4: that fought four times in eleven months, and rhythm catches up.
Speaker 4: So it's the same thing for the producers, right, they
Speaker 4: get to these heights where they're getting fifty to one
Speaker 4: hundred thousand dollars maybe more a beat, and then when
Speaker 4: that time slows down, instead of them going back to
Speaker 4: the fundamentals you know what I'm saying of just being
Speaker 4: a producer or a boxer, they try to stay up
Speaker 4: here and then they pick and choose when they work.
Speaker 4: But guess what you get out of rhythm? Well, you
Speaker 4: know after agism becomes true, I'm.
Speaker 3: Gonna tell you what happens to agism too. Your priorities
Speaker 3: changed like drastically, because first of all, you know, you
Speaker 3: get married and you got this relationship that you manage
Speaker 3: your right. You had this relationship, so you're trying to
Speaker 3: manage being a rapper and you know, manage your relationship right,
Speaker 3: and you start having children, your children start doing things
Speaker 3: like I'm gonna tell you football has taken more rappers
Speaker 3: from from from actual rap than than anything else that
Speaker 3: happened with me. It happened with eight, happened with Warren.
Speaker 3: You know, you get sons that become, you know, very
Speaker 3: exceptional athletes, and you start trying to harness that and
Speaker 3: guide them and direct them, you know, through their phase
Speaker 3: that they're going through. So the more and more you
Speaker 3: do that, I think you call it losing your thorns
Speaker 3: kind of you start losing that little age said you like,
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you find yourself being that nigga
Speaker 3: to go to bed at nine o'clock every night because
Speaker 3: you got to get up and take Junior to school
Speaker 3: in the morning, and you got to take him to
Speaker 3: practice afterwards. So you just that becomes your thing to where. Man,
Speaker 3: I remember one of the last times, man, you was
Speaker 3: with me, you and uncles with me. This when we
Speaker 3: first started on this crazy podcast, journey Man, we were
Speaker 3: supposed to go up to Dash's ready on interview Big
Speaker 3: sche he was actually leaving. He stayed on Riverside at
Speaker 3: the time. He was leaving Riverside and he called me
Speaker 3: to check in and I said, psych Man, I can't
Speaker 3: do it tonight. I gotta stay at practice with christ.
Speaker 3: We was gonna leave and go, but I wanted to
Speaker 3: stay at practice, right And that was my last time
Speaker 3: talking with my homeboy. Man. He died like a few
Speaker 3: days later.
Speaker 1: It happened to me with folk say rest in peace
Speaker 1: from west Side.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, that's that.
Speaker 4: And I was supposed to do a song I'm calling
Speaker 4: him and everything he already didn't got murdered. There was
Speaker 4: such a sad thing happened to me with Payback Me
Speaker 4: and Payback finally start talking about doing some music and
Speaker 4: payback guys. And it's like, you know, I think about
Speaker 4: a lot of that stuff, even with sight because I
Speaker 4: remember you was going through that. But but there's still
Speaker 4: a space still for you know, the seasoned hip hop
Speaker 4: artists to exist.
Speaker 1: But I agree, you have to find a space to
Speaker 1: make it a priority.
Speaker 4: Like you might lose time for yourself because you do
Speaker 4: gotta be a husband, you do gotta be a father.
Speaker 1: But there's time for you to still contribute to this culture.
Speaker 4: You know of people that's looking for your for your
Speaker 4: opinions and for you to represent.
Speaker 1: But you got to make space. And that's the important
Speaker 1: That's the thing.
Speaker 3: Bro. People get married, dude and I'm gonna tell you, you know,
Speaker 3: you got a woman that you love, man, And I
Speaker 3: don't care what women. Every woman is cool at the beginning,
Speaker 3: right because they meet you when you have this career going, right,
Speaker 3: you got this thing that you do going. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: tell you all of them start out cool. But after
Speaker 3: a while, you know, you talk about you go on
Speaker 3: that road. Man, you may be gone for thirty days,
Speaker 3: forty five days. After a while, that's when the bullshit start,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, It's like, you know what, Yeah,
Speaker 3: this is how you make your living. But do you
Speaker 3: have to go be gone that long? And I tell
Speaker 3: people the way, the end, the way, the remedy that
Speaker 3: dog is take their ass and the road with you.
Speaker 3: And they once they go out there and see that
Speaker 3: it's all not a party, they'll never ask you to
Speaker 3: go on the road again. They will never add you again.
Speaker 3: You know what you brought up Africa being bot it earlier, man,
Speaker 3: And I know it's like it's a lot of hypocrisy man,
Speaker 3: and just media and hip hop. Nobody ever mentions what
Speaker 3: this man has done.
Speaker 4: Man just got a lot of crazy accusations. So it's
Speaker 4: it's just tough for certain people.
Speaker 3: But you know, and me, that takes nothing away from
Speaker 3: what he's did for the culture. He did a significant
Speaker 3: service for the coach, but you know, they don't take nothing.
Speaker 3: And I'm not gonna go too much into that man,
Speaker 3: but you know, when I heard some of the ship
Speaker 3: that he was doing the people dog, it was just
Speaker 3: like what he was doing, because I don't he was
Speaker 3: acting the people. Yeah, after a while, because don't nobody
Speaker 3: want to believe that, Like it's like I got.
Speaker 1: I don't even want to get into all that because
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, that Nigga ain't fight
Speaker 1: no criminal charges and whatever is going on with him is.
Speaker 4: His cross the bear if there's something going on with him.
Speaker 4: So I don't want to talk about alleged things with
Speaker 4: another man, but I will tell you for sure doing
Speaker 4: the homework on a planet rock and what it means
Speaker 4: to hip hop and really the foundation he laid down
Speaker 4: as a creator, you know what I mean to understand
Speaker 4: he wasn't the greatest musician, you know, but to know
Speaker 4: how to work the equipment and you know, take what
Speaker 4: craft work, you know what's doing and you know, knowing
Speaker 4: he understands cool, you know, and making something cool you know,
Speaker 4: really laying the foundation for hip hop outside of sampling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dog him uh, I would say battle cap, not
Speaker 3: battle cap, Jimmy Spicer, Jimmy Spicer, Africa, Bambada Leaven the
Speaker 3: dude that whoever producer who Deani at the time. Dog,
Speaker 3: it went to a level dog to where that was
Speaker 3: all free doctor Dre, DJ Quick to me and Herbie
Speaker 3: Love Bud. You know what I'm saying, all those guys.
Speaker 4: You know who don't get credit in that conversation of producers.
Speaker 4: Too short, too short, too short like a motherfucker for sure, rapper,
Speaker 4: but the producer. That's what I'm talking about, too short
Speaker 4: to I keep saying this. I genuinely think too short
Speaker 4: as a producer.
Speaker 3: Is And I know, how dare you g you know,
Speaker 3: I know what you talked about.
Speaker 4: I think he's responsible for how G funk is digested.
Speaker 4: Like not the title that G funk the word is
Speaker 4: obviously big hutching above the law, but G Funk the sound.
Speaker 4: I think it's all the descendant of don't fight the feeling.
Speaker 3: Bro go back and listen to what's the appum man,
Speaker 3: the too short guy. I gotta go on my apple
Speaker 3: hold on one second, I was just listening to this
Speaker 3: last night when I was riding a round the wife. Right,
Speaker 3: we was on our little date night. Right, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: tell you this. I was listen to this and this
Speaker 3: was a phenomenal Too Short album Dog, actually one of
Speaker 3: my favorite two short albums Dog. He had some crazy
Speaker 3: stuff on it, and it was all pre this is
Speaker 3: all this predates chi Funk. I believe Dog Gun Short
Speaker 3: got all these albums Dog.
Speaker 1: That's good, Right, we gotta do Top five.
Speaker 3: Fit In Dog. You gotta go in and listen to
Speaker 3: Get In Where You Fit In? Right? That came out of.
Speaker 1: Ninety three Get In Where You Fit In? G Funk.
Speaker 3: No, I don't, but he got some records that not
Speaker 3: Get In from Get In Where You Fit In? Don't
Speaker 3: predate it, but it was around the same time. Go
Speaker 3: back and listen to The Dangerous Crew where he had
Speaker 3: a young spice one on there. Listen to Get In
Speaker 3: Where You Fit In, Listen to Playboy Short, Way Too
Speaker 3: Real and all that other shit. Short has some shit,
Speaker 3: Dog and Bench don't get the credit he deserved.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely doesn't.
Speaker 3: Go back and listen to Born to Mac Dog. Go
Speaker 3: back and listen to Life Is Too Short, Dog.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Life is Too Short is one of those records
Speaker 1: that came out of nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 3: Gee, did you realized man? When Born and Mac came
Speaker 3: out Dog, the riginal version, I was sixteen years old.
Speaker 3: I still remember the original version before it went to JIB.
Speaker 3: It got switched around a little bit and some songs
Speaker 3: changed a little bit. It didn't changed that much, but
Speaker 3: I was sixteen when that shit came out Dog, Too Short, Man,
Speaker 3: I think man, believe it or not, Dog. I think
Speaker 3: Too Short as possibly one of the greatest rappers of
Speaker 3: all time. And I think he's he's one of the
Speaker 3: few people that's nationally accepted well.
Speaker 4: I think that goes without saying right. He's definitely a
Speaker 4: phenomenon of culture himself. Think about his production, His production
Speaker 4: ideas are really underrated in the grand scheme of what
Speaker 4: he does. And I think that's probably why. You know,
Speaker 4: because Too Short does get a lot of credit, but
Speaker 4: he don't get nowhere near the credit because we don't
Speaker 4: consider him a producer. You know, you look at Dre
Speaker 4: and Quick, right, but then Too Short is the first
Speaker 4: rapper producer m you know, Short as the.
Speaker 3: Ship Dog Too Short. You know what man. And that's
Speaker 3: the dope part about this job. Man. You know, being
Speaker 3: a podcaster, you start from a relationships with people you
Speaker 3: actually look up to. Like it's just cool. Sometimes you know,
Speaker 3: I may take short right and short at one of
Speaker 3: them dudes. You know he keep up him bust the
Speaker 3: rhymes is two niggas that always get back to you.
Speaker 4: Oh they love to teach, for sure. Shout out the
Speaker 4: Buster too, because he's somebody I need to learn from.
Speaker 4: But man, like Ice Team, Ice Team loves to teach.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: It's not a lot of the brothers we grew up
Speaker 4: list to and forgive me because they all love to teach.
Speaker 4: Maybe dre wud be the hardest one, but for sure
Speaker 4: Battlecat does. I don't think they know how to do
Speaker 4: it innately, but if you come to them with a
Speaker 4: question that pushes something that's not as simple, man, they
Speaker 4: love it.
Speaker 1: Like Quick, even Quick.
Speaker 4: I've asked Quick questions like DM and him and he'll
Speaker 4: just it'll spin off until a ten minute back and
Speaker 4: forth conversation.
Speaker 1: And I've learned so much about something I didn't know about.
Speaker 3: So oh Quick loves teaching. You Quick will sit up there, man,
Speaker 3: Quick gave me a whole lesson. One time on vocals,
Speaker 3: he went in the room. I was doing something right,
Speaker 3: he stopped it and came in there. He adjested my
Speaker 3: mic and he said, holds your chin up and wrapped
Speaker 3: like this, that's why you run out of breath because
Speaker 3: you're doing it. And I said it damn. And that
Speaker 3: took me to another level right there, Bro, Yeah, it
Speaker 3: took me to another level. And he loves if you
Speaker 3: sit up there and talked quick about mixing and engineering
Speaker 3: and how to get your drums right and your snares right,
Speaker 3: he will sit there and teach you everything that he knows.
Speaker 3: If you got the patience, dog and you catch him
Speaker 3: on the right time, No, he would sit up there
Speaker 3: and teach you, bro, and start today, man man quick.
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying, gee, is these people will actually
Speaker 3: get back to you. And you know I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: say no names. I got people I thought was my friends. Dog,
Speaker 3: I can't get them to return the text. Dog. It
Speaker 3: may be even.
Speaker 4: With Bobcat Like when you can't get Bob, you can
Speaker 4: get information.
Speaker 1: Bob is just one of the niggas.
Speaker 4: I realize that just log out of life, like whatever
Speaker 4: he got going on is just over there.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And it's crazy because I talked to little Egypt right
Speaker 4: and he said the same thing like me.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I can't get so once.
Speaker 4: I hear that, I understand because that's like me, big bro.
Speaker 4: I ain't have my phone my ringer on in what
Speaker 4: is it now? This is sixteen years two thousand and eight.
Speaker 4: I turned off my ringer in January, I said, January first,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna turn off all my ringers and notifications. So
Speaker 4: whatever I'm in front, like right now, me and you talking,
Speaker 4: I can give you all of my attention. Because two
Speaker 4: thousand and seven was such a crazy year. I would
Speaker 4: get so many phone calls and people needed stuff, and
Speaker 4: I could never give my attention to things that I
Speaker 4: was doing right in front of me because I was.
Speaker 3: I keep my ringer off too, you know, I got
Speaker 3: I turned my ringer off. And it's four people, dog
Speaker 3: that if they call more than once the phone a
Speaker 3: ring You know you can set your phone to do that, right, No,
Speaker 3: yeah you can. Dog. That's my mama, you, my brothers,
Speaker 3: my sister, my kids, and my wife. Dog. And that's
Speaker 3: a little bit more than four people. But that's how
Speaker 3: it is because you won't get nothing done because you
Speaker 3: are messed around to be having conversations. But that's why
Speaker 3: I tell people, don't get mad if I don't call
Speaker 3: you back right away. And that's why I understand people
Speaker 3: don't return phone calls because you just get caught up
Speaker 3: with life and you got shit that you're trying to
Speaker 3: do and get done, and you won't get done because
Speaker 3: you got to remember at one time, we didn't have
Speaker 3: cell phones, and I think we was better off, bro.
Speaker 3: I think we have too many ways for people to
Speaker 3: reach out to you. Right now, dog, we almost have
Speaker 3: an over abundance of conversation, and you almost can be
Speaker 3: overstimulated at some point. Do you feel what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Definitely, it's easy to get distracted.
Speaker 4: Like just right now, somebody was telling me something and
Speaker 4: that's why I cut that motherfucker off because we having
Speaker 4: a conversation. But I digress before we got to this
Speaker 4: whole thing. Even like Bob right like or anybody else
Speaker 4: that want to teach, when you have them in those moments,
Speaker 4: they will. But those moments like DJ Pool like I'll
Speaker 4: send like you know what, I've gotten the habit of
Speaker 4: doing sending My favorite guys Dazz, DJ pool Ice Tea
Speaker 4: just sending them songs like look, Nigga, I don't want
Speaker 4: you own this just for you, right because you a
Speaker 4: real motherfucker, Like and you know what I'm about.
Speaker 1: So here go some music.
Speaker 4: And it's dope to hear them give feedback or their ideas,
Speaker 4: like Exhibit, Like, you know, one of the greatest joys
Speaker 4: of my life is impressing Exhibit as an MC. You
Speaker 4: know what I mean when he's like, damn gee, that
Speaker 4: motherfucker tough because I respect his taste on them, seeing
Speaker 4: I would have never.
Speaker 3: Had them love hip hop too, bro, Exhibit really loves
Speaker 3: hip hop, you know. Exhibit just had Dirty Birdie in
Speaker 3: the studio and work on the whole project with him.
Speaker 3: He just gave it to yeah, because.
Speaker 4: And that's where I'm trying to get the Battlecats, the
Speaker 4: Warren G's, the you know, the DJ quicks and the
Speaker 4: DJ slips to get back to, like, look, I know
Speaker 4: you in your prime, you was fighting for twenty million
Speaker 4: a night. He was getting twenty million a night. Right
Speaker 4: in your prime, you was getting big money, clocking all
Speaker 4: the checks. Right, But goddamn it, now you feel me.
Speaker 4: You not out of the fight. But you gotta fight right,
Speaker 4: You gotta fight to stay at to keep rhythm because
Speaker 4: no matter what them type of motherfucker's got to know
Speaker 4: is you don't know where your next check is at.
Speaker 4: See that's the difference when you was in your prime,
Speaker 4: you're getting twenty million, you feel me. You know your
Speaker 4: next check twenty But then when it slide down, you
Speaker 4: need to break that money down so you can fight
Speaker 4: four times a year.
Speaker 1: Stay in rhythm. You'll fight you some bumps, get out there,
Speaker 1: get pick up some new talent.
Speaker 4: You know, do seven songs, e peas, put them out yourself,
Speaker 4: give them twenty percent.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you twenty percent on battlecap. You are
Speaker 1: on to come up, I'll give you twenty percent.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take eighty percent, and we're gonna put this
Speaker 4: out and put yourself out there. You know, four times
Speaker 4: a year, fight four times a year because guess what,
Speaker 4: look at h boy. You fuck around and find yourself
Speaker 4: in a great situation and then you'll be in rhythm,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, And.
Speaker 1: All your catalog goes up.
Speaker 4: But it's just hard to get warned quick to a
Speaker 4: cat to get down. But I stay on them, man,
Speaker 4: I hit Rock Wilder, Hey, roight Man, let's do some music.
Speaker 4: I've been on, Eric Simon e Man, let's do some music.
Speaker 4: Sometimes they return, sometimes they don't. But listen, every time
Speaker 4: they look up, big bro, they gonna see me. They
Speaker 4: about to see us on Jimmy Fallon. Every time they
Speaker 4: look up, they gonna see me like this little crazy
Speaker 4: motherfuckers in my dms right now.
Speaker 1: And when we get it, we're gonna do the work
Speaker 1: we deserve now. I can't give every artist this mind state.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying that I have because I
Speaker 4: fell in love with hip hop in a way that
Speaker 4: I can't believe.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: But the producers know the jelly rolls no, so there's
Speaker 1: no reason why they shouldn't be finding cats doing six
Speaker 1: and seven song EPs just to put on for the culture,
Speaker 1: just to artistically express it and stay in the rhythm
Speaker 1: of boxing them making great music. You have to do that.
Speaker 1: Shit's important. Dunh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, bro, you know what's funny? Man?
Speaker 3: I want to go back to each hit it real quick.
Speaker 3: Dirty Birdie shot the Dirty Birdie. That's my homeless nation,
Speaker 3: brother man. Dirty Birdie is probably one of the illis
Speaker 3: MC's on the West Coast, nasty, you know, super underrated man.
Speaker 3: But and you know and Langston General man shout out
Speaker 3: at my homies.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: Dirty's won them dudes to where if you talk to anybody,
Speaker 3: they know who he is. Right, he's super duper, like
Speaker 3: you know, he don't want up there and did stuff
Speaker 3: for dre up at the pharmacy and stuff just for exhibit,
Speaker 3: to take the time out of schedule to say, come on,
Speaker 3: I got some music for you. And not only just
Speaker 3: give them the tracks. He could have easily emailed them
Speaker 3: the shit and did what he wanted to do over email. No,
Speaker 3: he had him come in the studio. They put the
Speaker 3: work in and got together and exhibited it for nothing
Speaker 3: in return. He didn't expect nothing. It got kind of disheartening, man,
Speaker 3: because the biggest thing I would hear from these guys
Speaker 3: for the longest, they may get fifty thousand, They may
Speaker 3: have got sixty seventy thousand for a track one time
Speaker 3: right now, that stay rate for everybody. Man can't afford
Speaker 3: my beats. I get seventy thousand a beat. The one
Speaker 3: thing I respect about the New York and them down
Speaker 3: South niggas g it could be two chains it could be.
Speaker 1: See Low Green, it could be Malone.
Speaker 3: Glasses Malone. But you're one of the few people out
Speaker 3: here like that. Kendrick is like that too. If you
Speaker 3: can catch him, He's gonna do the work. You feel
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. He's not gonna try to plush you up,
Speaker 3: and he probably want to be not probably one of
Speaker 3: the biggest artists in the world now, sure, But them
Speaker 3: dudes down there tipping, all of them, they work first, dog.
Speaker 3: They not on no shit, don't get me wrong. You
Speaker 3: know that shit. Get the pop and they gonna send
Speaker 3: you an invoice, but they go do the work first. Bro,
Speaker 3: ain't no conversation about no check because they get what
Speaker 3: it's all about. Let's go build something to make that
Speaker 3: shit great.
Speaker 1: Believe in the music.
Speaker 4: And see, that's what I think happens to. You know,
Speaker 4: you aige yourself out of hip hop the day you
Speaker 4: stop believing in the music, you stop believe, like you've
Speaker 4: seen it work at the highest level. But then now
Speaker 4: you're like, what the business. No, there's still a magic
Speaker 4: in the music. There's still a magic in this shit.
Speaker 4: Like that's what I can't get people to understand. People
Speaker 4: is talking to me about records, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: records can have a formula, but there's still a magical
Speaker 4: component that you got to recognize and really, you know
Speaker 4: and really respect there's a magical component to this shit,
Speaker 4: and you know, getting the legends to understand that you
Speaker 4: gotta fight.
Speaker 1: You should be putting out four fights. You should be
Speaker 1: putting out four EPs a year. You should be putting
Speaker 1: out four EPs a year with different artists, should be
Speaker 1: putting out five packs.
Speaker 4: There's no reason. I tell One all the time, I
Speaker 4: tell Cat all the time. I tell Das, there's no
Speaker 4: reason that there should not be a Glasses Malone battle
Speaker 4: Cat five pack of music, a Glasses Malone warrant g
Speaker 4: five pack of music, a Glasses Malone, Das Dinners your
Speaker 4: five pack of music.
Speaker 1: There's no reason why that shouldn't exist.
Speaker 3: Yeah. You know what's funny about Warren though, When Warren
Speaker 3: Warren is always making beats. I remember I was talking
Speaker 3: to him one day and I was like, man, I
Speaker 3: got to think of an intro for Gangster, you know,
Speaker 3: for Gainst Chronicles at that time. Right, he sent me
Speaker 3: a beat fifteen minutes later, right that he had just
Speaker 3: cooked up for the show. Right, still our intro to
Speaker 3: this day, right, And I swear I should have got
Speaker 3: with Warren and put that motherfucker on seal. I get
Speaker 3: so many people asking me to send him this song, Dog,
Speaker 3: because this is actually a three minute song on that man.
Speaker 3: You know what, Cocaine just on that motherfucker doing what
Speaker 3: he do and RBX is on that motherfucker. It's actually
Speaker 3: really dope, man. But you know, just to half stuff
Speaker 3: like that and send it to you know, Cocaine, shout
Speaker 3: out to Coco sending up them. He dropped the hook
Speaker 3: up on that motherfucker Dog. And just I thought about it,
Speaker 3: I said, man, I don't fucked around. I got one
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars motherfucking song as intro to my show.
Speaker 1: And these motherfuckers still got it, don't These mother fuckers
Speaker 1: still got it. They not close to being done.
Speaker 3: Warren is a bad motherfucker Dog.
Speaker 1: You mean to tell me right now?
Speaker 4: You think if you get Quincy Jones and a motherfucker studio,
Speaker 4: it ain't gonna jam nigga, Please, There ain't a nigga
Speaker 4: that was dope at making beats that you can't get right.
Speaker 4: I was in there with Teddy Riley in twenty sixteen
Speaker 4: for a summer. Probably was in there sixty some days
Speaker 4: out of ninety. Man, that nigga got it right now.
Speaker 4: Them niggas don't lose it. You get pre Mirroordo got it.
Speaker 1: These niggas got it still.
Speaker 3: You gotta remember I was up there with you a
Speaker 3: couple of times, and that nigga Teddy played some songs.
Speaker 3: You be like, no album with cas, this nigga made that,
Speaker 3: and you'd be like, damn that shit hard as a motherfucker.
Speaker 1: The motherfuckers. And that's what I'm saying. It's like these
Speaker 1: legends from.
Speaker 4: Hip hop put they they decide that they not fucking
Speaker 4: with it. But I'm telling you it's because like boxers
Speaker 4: like Deontay Wider ten twenty million dollars paydays and then
Speaker 4: and they can't talk, theyselves back down to two million
Speaker 4: dollar pay days or one million dollars to stay active.
Speaker 1: But you got and this is why, because you gotta
Speaker 1: be in love with the fucking sport, big bro.
Speaker 4: Because if you're not in love with the sport, if
Speaker 4: you eventually start doing it for money when they take
Speaker 4: the money away, you're gonna kill yourself.
Speaker 3: Because gee, I'm gonna tell you, man, And I tell
Speaker 3: people this all the time. With the heartbreak and the
Speaker 3: bullshit you go go through with music. It ain't a
Speaker 3: check fucking big enough. Hell know, So if you do it,
Speaker 3: I don't give a fuck for a nigga cuts you
Speaker 3: a three million dollar check. You want to go through
Speaker 3: so much relationships with motherfuckers that you love, you gonna
Speaker 3: go through so much shit. You gonna lose a lot
Speaker 3: that you love the game. And see what people don't understand, man,
Speaker 3: In order to become a glasses Malone or especially a
Speaker 3: motherfucker Kendrick Lamar, you have to lose something. It's not
Speaker 3: it's gonna come up the price doog.
Speaker 1: I lost over the last eleven years. I lost a lot.
Speaker 4: I lost my mother, I lost a lot, I lost time,
Speaker 4: I lost my thirties.
Speaker 1: You know, but.
Speaker 4: When you love it, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 4: you really never lost nothing. You got everything you were
Speaker 4: supposed to get.
Speaker 1: And but you have to love it, man, You gotta
Speaker 1: love man.
Speaker 3: You know what I meant to ask you, Dog and
Speaker 3: we and that's the shame, and we talk every day.
Speaker 3: Did you ever trip Dog off? The fact that she
Speaker 3: was signed the more time.
Speaker 4: Just probably in twenty sixteen, it hit me, you know
Speaker 4: when it hit me.
Speaker 1: I take that back. So in twenty fifteen, Member, I'm
Speaker 1: on the road in the car on my whole little.
Speaker 3: Here's going on your life. She was losing your mind.
Speaker 4: Everybody that fucking everybody thought I was losing my mind. Right,
Speaker 4: But I remember seeing Hitsville. It was my first time
Speaker 4: seeing Hitsville in person. And then I'm looking at it
Speaker 4: and I'm listening to all this music while I'm driving
Speaker 4: from Detroit down to Cleveland, down to Cincinnati, down to
Speaker 4: Memphis right to get the stacks, and I just remember thinking,
Speaker 4: like I had these logos on my music, and I
Speaker 4: didn't know what that meant. I never thought about that,
Speaker 4: even with the vinyls, right, like I got my vinyls
Speaker 4: for cancer, these nuts right they in they dope.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Dope.
Speaker 4: I had single vinyls with Cash Money Records right with
Speaker 4: Motown stamped on, and I never knew what that meant.
Speaker 4: Like I knew what Motown was because obviously you hear
Speaker 4: Tho the Temptations, you know it, but you don't know
Speaker 4: what it means. In the grand scheme of black culture
Speaker 4: as a whole or black music as a whole. You
Speaker 4: don't have no fucking idea of you a fucking drug dealer,
Speaker 4: gang Bago drug and Compton the watch that didn't trip
Speaker 4: off music outside of listening to it. But in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 4: I was standing in front of Hitsville in Detroit called
Speaker 4: the shit, and I'm looking at this shit like, holy shit,
Speaker 4: I was a part of this. I mean, don't get
Speaker 4: me wrong, Berry Gordy didn't sign my fucking check.
Speaker 1: But I had this logo on my logo and didn't
Speaker 1: know shit.
Speaker 4: And and that's why I said, even on a breakfast
Speaker 4: club interview, bro, Like I remember Charlotte Mane was like,
Speaker 4: last it can't be it. I was like, I didn't
Speaker 4: deserve it, Bro, I didn't deserve a check. Like I
Speaker 4: was on Twitter the other day, right and I was like,
Speaker 4: I deserve to be celebrated finally.
Speaker 1: Like you know, you hear the term celebrity, you're like celebrity, celebrity, and.
Speaker 4: Then you look at people You're like, man, you know
Speaker 4: y'all celebrate them Like Scarface he's a celebrity, but he
Speaker 4: deserves it. Now I deserve to be celebrated. I am
Speaker 4: worthy of celebration. You know what I mean, because of
Speaker 4: my due's paid. I hit Cube. I was like, my
Speaker 4: dudes is paid.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I hit DJ Pooh, my
Speaker 1: dues is paid. I hit Douve seeing the DM because
Speaker 1: of Dove. See you hear this. I hit Dulcie.
Speaker 4: I said, my dudes is dudes is paid up, Nigga,
Speaker 4: Now I'm coming to collect.
Speaker 1: So it's dope, bro.
Speaker 4: I didn't realize until I was sitting in front of
Speaker 4: Hiss Vial and Detroit Dog. Damn, They're about to come
Speaker 4: to tears, like wow, I was a part of this
Speaker 4: and didn't even know how to appreciate it or know
Speaker 4: what it means.
Speaker 3: When you think about the Legacy Dog when they pull
Speaker 3: up a thing. If they ever did a roster of
Speaker 3: all of the artists on More Time on the same list.
Speaker 1: With has dyed as a Jackson Robins was.
Speaker 3: The Jackson five is Michael Jackson as motherfucking.
Speaker 1: Smokey Robinsonoki Robinson Dog.
Speaker 3: And you look at that and you say, you know.
Speaker 1: Rick James, Rick fucking James.
Speaker 4: You know, when you like to see it that way,
Speaker 4: you realize like, oh yeah, you you oldish. That's what
Speaker 4: I kept trying to tell everybody when they thought I
Speaker 4: was going crazy DJ heading and I'm like yore oldest
Speaker 4: game too much to be worried about how I'm gonna
Speaker 4: make some money.
Speaker 1: I owe it too much.
Speaker 3: A hundred percent. That's one hundred percent, bro. And when
Speaker 3: you think about those moments like that, that's when you
Speaker 3: got to look at man like and I think you
Speaker 3: definitely start appreciating shitting when you get older. I remember
Speaker 3: when I was running around England, man, and I had
Speaker 3: an epiphany one time. I said, Man, I remember when
Speaker 3: I was in the kitchen and this one I think.
Speaker 3: I think we all have these moments in our life
Speaker 3: when we decide that we done with property. I remember
Speaker 3: sitting in my mama's kitchen, man, not that we was.
Speaker 3: I looked back at it, Man, My parents did a
Speaker 3: good job. Man, My mama did a bomb ass job, right.
Speaker 3: But I remember, Man, I was in the kitchen, Man,
Speaker 3: I was just real frustrated because I wanted some cereal
Speaker 3: real bad right, And I turned on the lights. Man,
Speaker 3: I wanted to go get get some cereal and my
Speaker 3: brother somebody forgot to fucking because you know, you said
Speaker 3: to penning them bags tight or the roches getting them.
Speaker 3: Motherfucker's right. I rememberbout opening the cereal up the ropes
Speaker 3: crawled off that motherfucker. I was so fucking mad, and
Speaker 3: I said, now, I'm not ever had no roachres in
Speaker 3: my fucking house. And I swear to guy, see, I've
Speaker 3: never had to have roaches in my though life, though
Speaker 3: he ain't never had nothing, not saying that I too
Speaker 3: good for that ship. I can go back and live
Speaker 3: to see. One thing about being comes Cleveland a different
Speaker 3: type of poor. You don't realize you poor. If you
Speaker 3: got two pears to go to work in the house, dog,
Speaker 3: you not poor. You may not have everything. And I
Speaker 3: think about a dog just thinking about it.
Speaker 4: If you got two pairs that's working, you're not. You're
Speaker 4: not poor. You could be broke, but you'll We were broke.
Speaker 3: But we had roaches and we have mice in that motherfucker.
Speaker 3: We ain't had no rest. We have mice like a motherfucker.
Speaker 3: And Cleveland, it gets snow in the one time the
Speaker 3: mice gonna start, You be in the house and see
Speaker 3: one of the motherfuckers run across the Florida.
Speaker 4: Dog we got here too, huh, Like we gotta live
Speaker 4: in here too. He's called outside Hell.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, so you think about it, bro, And
Speaker 3: I said, man, I am never going to go through
Speaker 3: this shit. Dog. I don't never want us have to
Speaker 3: spend a food stamp. Dog, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 3: want to go through this shit. And so when I
Speaker 3: was walking to England, Man, I thought about it, and
Speaker 3: I wasn't getting I was on a MTV base tour
Speaker 3: and I said, Man, they actually give me fifteen hundred
Speaker 3: dollars a show, and I'm doing twenty dates. I said, man,
Speaker 3: God is good. If you'd have told me some shit
Speaker 3: like that back then, I'd have been looking at you
Speaker 3: like he was crazzy. Man. I didn't know how I
Speaker 3: was gonna get it, dog, But I said, I'm a football,
Speaker 3: my way up out this motherfucker. That's why I feel
Speaker 3: Jake when he said i'm aa we could shoot three
Speaker 3: pointers a riddle, U wrap away out this motherfucker. I
Speaker 3: was feeling that shit, dog because I decided I wouldn't
Speaker 3: gonna go through no motherfucking promptly. Dog. I was gonna
Speaker 3: do whatever the fuck had to happen, Dog for me
Speaker 3: to get away from that shit. Well, that concludes another
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