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Speaker 3: Hello, Welcome to the Gangst the Chronicles podcast, the production

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Speaker 3: rating the comment Well, this is Saturday night, man, January thirteenth. Man,

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Speaker 1: This is how you start your podcast.

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Speaker 3: Well, this is how we starting tonight, man, This is

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Speaker 3: how the fuck we're starting to ship tonight. Just having

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Speaker 3: a good time to conversation amongst friends. Some ship we

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Speaker 3: would probably be talking about on the phone anyway, you know,

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Speaker 3: might as well put you out to the public, you

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Speaker 4: But no, for real, like do your audience really like

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Speaker 4: when you started like this with the dates and shit?

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Speaker 3: They must they must saw. The motherfuckers got it like

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Speaker 3: over a million downloads, So I would say.

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Speaker 1: So that just me and your audience got weird tastes.

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Speaker 3: Well, that just mean the motherfuckers have excellent taste.

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Speaker 1: Excellent.

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Speaker 3: They don't have excellent taste. They condosaurus, you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean?

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Speaker 4: The thing about gangs the Chronicles, Yo, shout out to

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Speaker 4: the Games of Chronicles audience. But y'all like for layming yon,

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Speaker 4: but like this is the rib bods. Like if you

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Speaker 4: had no ceilings, just the rip by, just that fatty side, y'all.

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Speaker 4: Ship is all just the meat, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: You gotta wrap bacon and rider to get some flavor.

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Speaker 4: But like no ceilings is all rare by bone in

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Speaker 4: tomahawk with the fatty part, so you get the flavor.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, ours man, like a well aged a well aged

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Speaker 3: mother for Layman, y'all, wag you for labman, young you

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Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, sponsors and ship because y'all just

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Speaker 3: be over here playing the safe. Yeah, we'd like to

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Speaker 3: play in safe man. I actually like getting chicks so

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Speaker 3: kill and I talk shit. I got no ceilings to

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Speaker 3: talk all the ship. I want to really talk. I

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Speaker 3: really want to say as you go over those ceilings

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Speaker 3: and ruined my you and all my sponsorships, well, yeah

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Speaker 3: for sure man. You know especially addition, man, a gangster

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Speaker 4: The funny boy, is this ship is gonn be a

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Speaker 4: regular conversation. Like I'm not letting you do none of

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Speaker 4: that professional Norman Steel shit you be doing with all

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Speaker 1: This ship right here is just gonna be have it now.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna go no ceilings have it because we

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Speaker 3: Yeah for sure, man, somebody one of these shows gotta

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Speaker 3: make some money. Man, We got bills to pay it.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, you get a piece of

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Speaker 4: I ain't hating, I'm just saying we're gonna play it

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Speaker 3: We was having a conversation earlier off air man as

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Speaker 1: Well, he was greatest, one of the greatest.

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Speaker 1: You know, not you can say the greatest hip hop

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Speaker 3: It's okay, you know, the greatest hip hop you know,

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Speaker 4: And them did really well versus what Quick in them

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Speaker 3: You get a lot going in the studio walk quick Man.

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Speaker 4: Style, you know, a lot of mixing, A lot of

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Speaker 4: producing is style. No, mixing is very much a part

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Speaker 3: Man, that's my thing. Man, I'm gonna good days man

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Speaker 3: on games to rac chronicles this year. Man, We're gonna

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Speaker 3: it's his fault because to me, these dudes man out

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Speaker 3: here just don't produce enough records. I remember you had one.

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Speaker 3: You had a buzz at one time, gee, when you

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't go that far, but it was popping.

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Speaker 3: No, you know, you was popping dog. I think the

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Speaker 3: Dre or something like that, especially being somebody from out here. Right.

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Speaker 4: Oh, man, I've had this conversation. I'm glad you brought

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Speaker 4: just go with the foundation of records, right, what records

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Speaker 4: or even in hip hop? Right, the producer, you know,

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Speaker 4: let's start at the beginning, right, you got DJ Unknown

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Speaker 4: doing nice team. DJ Unknown gave you compters most wanted.

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Speaker 4: Doctor Dre right gave you world class record.

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Speaker 1: Click. Doctor Dre gave you NWA and Ez DJ Quick

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Speaker 1: produced himself. DJ Quick gave you Penthouse players.

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Speaker 3: Click.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: So each generation is supposed to be scored by the producers,

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Speaker 4: and what happened in my generation, in my class MC's

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Speaker 4: the producers wasn't producing for us. You know, experience, you know,

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Speaker 3: Us because you didn't get the get you didn't get.

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Speaker 3: And what's crazy is cool as you on Warren is

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Speaker 3: battle Cat record. You know what I mean? You got

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Speaker 3: not for lack of trying. Bro. Them dudes just don't.

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Speaker 3: They don't do the work. It's almost like they sit

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Speaker 3: they want to say people not fucking with them.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's lazy.

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Speaker 4: I won't say that because they do the work right,

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Speaker 4: even Battle, Cat Warren.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and those are great people. And this ain't no.

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Speaker 4: Snap, No, I'm saying they make beats every day. Like

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Speaker 4: I talk to Warren kind of often.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: I probably talked to war once or twice three times

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Speaker 4: a month, you know, I mean, like I'll check in

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Speaker 4: with Eman. But they he make beats all the fucking time.

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Speaker 4: It's just getting him to take his fucking hand off

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Speaker 4: the fucking beats, like let us have them like them

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Speaker 4: and Cat, if they died them, niggas is gonna die

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Speaker 4: with four thousand beats in the vault.

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Speaker 1: I'm not exaggerating.

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Speaker 4: Cat has hundreds of beats that just are shitting around.

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Speaker 1: Hundreds of beats.

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Speaker 3: There's probably some of his most incredible shit that ain't

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Speaker 3: never been released. I'm gonna tell you the illest thing

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Speaker 3: I've ever seen. Man quick play this one beat one

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Speaker 3: The tripped me the fuck out. I was like, why

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Speaker 3: don't you put this shit out? Man? This shit would sound.

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Speaker 1: Crazy, But you know what, I know what that feels like.

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Speaker 4: Like I didn't know what that felt like probably four

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Speaker 4: And like I did a record with Problem Problem produced

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Speaker 1: I never, you know, was interested another finishing the record.

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Speaker 4: So I just let him have the record and he

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Speaker 4: put it on Comport Story Part two and he did

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Speaker 4: he changed the dynamics of the record, which was cool

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Speaker 4: to me. But when you get into this shit, man,

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Speaker 4: it really matters. It really matters. It really matters, big bro, Like,

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Speaker 4: how shit samd? How much work I do? I was

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Speaker 4: working on the idea for this song called Freaky right,

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Speaker 4: you heard it. I end up talking iced tea too short,

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Speaker 4: reaching out the bad body, you know, different people just

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Speaker 4: to understand Planet Rock.

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Speaker 1: I reached out to Lil.

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Speaker 4: Egypt, you know what I mean, like little Egyptian liver,

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Speaker 4: shout out to Chef Egypt.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: I reached out to so many people to talk to

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Speaker 1: You know, Planet Rock happened.

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Speaker 4: Where did they see, you know, Egypt, Egypt happening for

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Speaker 1: Which is operator, which is and this is what the

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Speaker 4: The information may not even be usable, you know what

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Speaker 1: And that information happened to help me finish my song. Right.

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Speaker 4: But there's so many stories I know, information on that

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Speaker 4: don't even matter at that time.

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Speaker 1: And it's no different than like a song like.

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Speaker 4: Tupac Mus DoD when when I asked, you know, dreda

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Speaker 4: question like I was talking about making a rap record Shop.

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Speaker 1: I was barely rapping. I just started rapping.

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Speaker 4: Two three years before that, and the thought of it

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Speaker 4: is all about this real thirst for knowledge. It's all

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Speaker 4: about real thirst for knowledge. And if you ain't thirsty

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Speaker 3: It has to be man. You remember the conversation we

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Speaker 3: was having with Uncle Hen. Shout out to Uncle Hen.

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00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,520
Speaker 3: He was supposed to be on here tonight, but I

439
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 3: know he's in Dallas, so he got caught up. But

440
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 3: you remember how he was telling you man, when we

441
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 3: first started, when we was the young dudes in the game.

442
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,120
Speaker 3: You know, we had exit pre you know, pre exhibit

443
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 3: before he blew the fuck up, you know what I mean.

444
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 3: This is before he even got with the liquor crew. Right,

445
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 3: we had ras Cast and there ras Cast might have

446
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 3: just this was before Rasy got his deal with Priority.

447
00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:59,880
Speaker 3: This is when he was I think putting the sing

448
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 3: was out through patch work, you know, he was putting

449
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,719
Speaker 3: out there. He had put out a series of twelve inches.

450
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 3: That's how he actually got his deal with Priority. Right,

451
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,120
Speaker 3: he had the song where he had the dope ass

452
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 3: shot a sample and they wouldn't clear the record. Man,

453
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,000
Speaker 3: the won't catch me running. He had that joint, man,

454
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,239
Speaker 3: and it was like a boot camp in there. Man,

455
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 3: it was a lot of rappers in their dog.

456
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 4: Shout out to bobcat right, because that's again another one

457
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 4: of those things where the producers themselves right create the movements.

458
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 1: You know, the show all the best dope spots.

459
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 4: It was because the nigga that was cooking the crack

460
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 4: had a style of how you cook.

461
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 3: Now, let me give you this look like just picture

462
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 3: this dog and I think about it sometimes. Man. For me,

463
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 3: that was just yesterday you had draging them across town

464
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,439
Speaker 3: making the chronic. At that time, we was in the

465
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 3: studio trying to make art. You know, we had a

466
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 3: thing and it was dope. See, it was a real

467
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,360
Speaker 3: dope fucking album, man.

468
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 1: Exhibit.

469
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:03,120
Speaker 3: This is the problem with West Coast rap because the

470
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 3: producer wouldn't get the money that he wanted dogs to

471
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 3: do this shit. It just never came out. Dog, I

472
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 3: don't know where those records. And to this day, dog

473
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 3: Bob got a record where him and mc ring is

474
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 3: going back and forth that some of the most incredible

475
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 3: shit I ever heard. And if you heard that beat today,

476
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 3: Bob got a record with him and MC ring going

477
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 3: back and forth on that motherfucker. It's just all going

478
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 3: back and forth, no hooking that motherfucker, and I think

479
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 3: they just doing like a like almost like some run

480
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 3: DMC type of shit, but it sounds modern. The baseline,

481
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 3: Bob got some of the funkiest baselines, and I swear

482
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 3: I believe that's where Cat gets his influence from his

483
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 3: Bob Cat's baselines. And plus Kat is a superior musician

484
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 3: to Bob, and Bob just got funky baselines, right.

485
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: Drummer, Yeah, it's just.

486
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 3: Like this funky drums man and this like this this

487
00:24:54,359 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 3: horn thing is kind of like it was just crazy. Man.

488
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,719
Speaker 3: I wanted to rap on that record so bad. That

489
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,679
Speaker 3: record made me step my game up because I was like, damn,

490
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 3: I wish I could wrap that dog. Wren was on

491
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 3: that And this is when Wren was in his prime.

492
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 3: Like Rin was fucking shit up.

493
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 4: Me and Joey was just talking about every song that

494
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 4: nigga fuck is somebody bitch.

495
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was just fucking this. You know. Ren always

496
00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 3: had flows dog and then we had this he had

497
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 3: this other song on there man where he had kind

498
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 3: of liked and you know what's funny, dog, You can

499
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 3: hear different songs later on down the line that might

500
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 3: have came out of Dred Studio and this ain't no

501
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 3: dish nobody, but you can tell they had kind of

502
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,399
Speaker 3: bit Bob like Tupac did a lot of work. Bob

503
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 3: Cat was the first cat in the West Coast to

504
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 3: work with Tupac. I'm the guy first got cat from LA.

505
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 3: Not the first guy, but he was the first dude

506
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 3: from LA. Yeah. So Bob had all these records right

507
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 3: that he had made for pop that files got lost

508
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 3: on one like I'm gonna tell you one and Pooh wound

509
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 3: up redoing the record right but outlaw moritals on yourself,

510
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 3: great bout on to somebody greater than yourself. Trick that

511
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 3: right there. Bob's beat was so fucking amazing because you know,

512
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,959
Speaker 3: Bob stays up in the one thirty two damnitar two

513
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 3: hundred bpm rings. Everything Bob do is kind of like

514
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 3: just from a DJ perspective, and that record sounded so

515
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 3: crazy man like phenomenon and even the one out of

516
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 3: all of them records, Bob wound up putting house at

517
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 3: me on there, you know what I mean. But he

518
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 3: had so many records with Pop. You gotta remember. I

519
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 3: think it was POC's second album. Bob Damnitar produced the

520
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 3: whole first second album and one with him The Cube

521
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 3: and Deadly Thread on there, pum Bis. How you're like

522
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 3: me now? I was in there when they was doing

523
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 3: that shit dog Yeah, just ahm. And if you would

524
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 3: have told me to date man almost almost thirty some

525
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 3: years later, that that nigga would be a fucking legend dog,

526
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 3: I thought Tupac was just a regular nigga. Dog Sure,

527
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 3: sure that's there. I mean, like, you know, don't getting

528
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 3: that's not no dis because he was a cool nigga.

529
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: I tell people all the time of real life, Park

530
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: was underdog M.

531
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 3: He was, and he was a cool nigga. And I'm

532
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 3: not gonna sit up here in front like oh me

533
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 3: and you was boys and this and that. But that's

534
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 3: how me and Psychic got coolure you know, doing all this.

535
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 3: The Psyche was around during that time, like psych You

536
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 3: know that song my Closest road Dog, That song is

537
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 3: about Psyche. He was with Park the whole motherfucking time.

538
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 3: You can you can hear psych influencing Park, like when

539
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 3: it doing the yay yay and all that stuff and

540
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 3: making his voice deep into what it really is because

541
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 3: Punk had a nice tone that when he talked anyway.

542
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 4: But man, a dude, you like influence, You like something

543
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 4: I got from Bobe rest in peace. Bob is a

544
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 4: prano right y, G is a U when I'm starting

545
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 4: to beat qing is Ah, that's something like a pace set,

546
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 4: like a soul set that I do it before my

547
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 4: verse start. Yeah, Like that's Booby.

548
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 3: Booby was hard. Booby had swag like a motherfucker dog.

549
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that natural.

550
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 4: It's that natural ship that you get from people that

551
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 4: don't really get a lot of credit.

552
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 3: Yeah for those that don't know, man, Booby is make

553
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 3: tins cuz all right.

554
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 4: Yeah he did the hook on Rest, He did the

555
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 4: uh life is driving Me crazy?

556
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 3: Yatimtamony. Yeah, Booby is like incredible. Yeah I missed.

557
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: He was a natural.

558
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

559
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 4: I mean and we be in the studio and honestly,

560
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 4: I was probably Booby's biggest fan more than everybody. I

561
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 4: just thought the world and I thought he had just

562
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 4: like this natural style. I just think that if somebody

563
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 4: would have took the time to produce him, you know

564
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 4: what I mean, just stay on him, you probably would

565
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 4: have had like one of the greatest, Like he could

566
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 4: have been like the next great thing compared to like

567
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 4: a snoop dog, because to me, that's who his style was.

568
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 4: He was like this natural dude that a freestyle ideas

569
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 4: and he had this swagger that was through the roof

570
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 4: and his confidence and they were just dope.

571
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 3: But then not having how he lived, Booby rapped like

572
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 3: he lived. Booby was a laid back, hustler dog. And

573
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 3: I remember one Christmas, Man, you know, I could talk

574
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 3: about it now. You remember when that I forget what

575
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 3: they was. They had to be the ps the PlayStations, right,

576
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 3: Booby laced me up. Man. I gave Booby five hundred dollars.

577
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: Man.

578
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 3: Booby came back with me PlayStations. I had like two PlayStations,

579
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 3: two TVs. That was when they had the Plasmas. Gee,

580
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 3: the Plasmas first came out and he just laced me

581
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 3: and I and I asked, how did you get all

582
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 3: this shit for fire? He said, don't worry about the dog.

583
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: You got laced, you got hooked up.

584
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: Booby is special man.

585
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 4: That was my guy man, Like, he's the first artist

586
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 4: that that was a solo artist that I took to.

587
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 3: Like.

588
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: Well, I liked him, and I was like, I like him,

589
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: you know what I.

590
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 3: Mean because I like him to dog. I don't think

591
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 3: Mac knew what to do with him though.

592
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 4: Well I don't think that's really the question. Mac is

593
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 4: a rapper, so it's not about it if he knew

594
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 4: what to do. Again, it goes back to producers. It

595
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 4: goes back to producers picking artists to produce. Like I

596
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 4: was saying this to my home where I'm like, there's

597
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 4: no way, like I get it. Maybe Premier, you know,

598
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 4: shout out to Premier, but Premier should have some twenty

599
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 4: year old New York artists that he's producing, just putting

600
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 4: it out. It shouldn't even be about money. It shouldn't

601
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 4: even be about anything. Same for battle Cat saying for Ware,

602
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 4: it's no way that these legendary producers. You know, this

603
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 4: is why hip hop fit makes agism a real threat

604
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 4: to a lot of people, right because somewhere along the line,

605
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 4: the artists the producers decide that they're gonna not conform

606
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 4: to wherever's going on to hip hop currently, like not tonically,

607
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 4: but the business they get away from just the foundation

608
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 4: of AI make music as a dope DJ and I'm

609
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 4: going to produce artists. Right, they leave that and you know,

610
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 4: maybe they experienced success in the business.

611
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: It happened to Jelly world.

612
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 4: What happened in Battle Call where these guys are getting

613
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 4: fifty and one hundred thousand dollars a beat and then

614
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 4: that becomes the status quo. It's happening, honestly, big bro

615
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 4: in boxing, where you look at some of the like

616
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 4: the Deontay Wilder last fight. People think it's over for

617
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,479
Speaker 4: Deontay Wilder and know he's thirty eight, But I'm telling them,

618
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 4: I'm like, he's a late bloomer. He started that twenty

619
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 4: so he's only had fourteen years as a pro.

620
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: He's fine. Well, you know, he just he's not a

621
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: great boxer. You cannot be.

622
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 4: You can't be a talented boxer whin le bronze medal,

623
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 4: So he has to have some talent. You ain't gonna

624
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 4: knock everybody out in the Olympics. It's the how much

625
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 4: you fight. Those boxers get to a place to where

626
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 4: they're making two million, ten million, twenty million, and what

627
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 4: happens is they stop boxing often, and so you have

628
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 4: a Dante Wider who's fought one round in twenty six

629
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 4: months fighting against a Joe Parker who's a talented boxer

630
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 4: that fought four times in eleven months, and rhythm catches up.

631
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 4: So it's the same thing for the producers, right, they

632
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 4: get to these heights where they're getting fifty to one

633
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 4: hundred thousand dollars maybe more a beat, and then when

634
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 4: that time slows down, instead of them going back to

635
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 4: the fundamentals you know what I'm saying of just being

636
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 4: a producer or a boxer, they try to stay up

637
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 4: here and then they pick and choose when they work.

638
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 4: But guess what you get out of rhythm? Well, you

639
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 4: know after agism becomes true, I'm.

640
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 3: Gonna tell you what happens to agism too. Your priorities

641
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,959
Speaker 3: changed like drastically, because first of all, you know, you

642
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 3: get married and you got this relationship that you manage

643
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 3: your right. You had this relationship, so you're trying to

644
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 3: manage being a rapper and you know, manage your relationship right,

645
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 3: and you start having children, your children start doing things

646
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 3: like I'm gonna tell you football has taken more rappers

647
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 3: from from from actual rap than than anything else that

648
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 3: happened with me. It happened with eight, happened with Warren.

649
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 3: You know, you get sons that become, you know, very

650
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 3: exceptional athletes, and you start trying to harness that and

651
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 3: guide them and direct them, you know, through their phase

652
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,479
Speaker 3: that they're going through. So the more and more you

653
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 3: do that, I think you call it losing your thorns

654
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 3: kind of you start losing that little age said you like,

655
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, you find yourself being that nigga

656
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 3: to go to bed at nine o'clock every night because

657
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 3: you got to get up and take Junior to school

658
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 3: in the morning, and you got to take him to

659
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 3: practice afterwards. So you just that becomes your thing to where. Man,

660
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 3: I remember one of the last times, man, you was

661
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 3: with me, you and uncles with me. This when we

662
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: first started on this crazy podcast, journey Man, we were

663
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 3: supposed to go up to Dash's ready on interview Big

664
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 3: sche he was actually leaving. He stayed on Riverside at

665
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 3: the time. He was leaving Riverside and he called me

666
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 3: to check in and I said, psych Man, I can't

667
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 3: do it tonight. I gotta stay at practice with christ.

668
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 3: We was gonna leave and go, but I wanted to

669
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 3: stay at practice, right And that was my last time

670
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 3: talking with my homeboy. Man. He died like a few

671
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 3: days later.

672
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: It happened to me with folk say rest in peace

673
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: from west Side.

674
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, that's that.

675
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 4: And I was supposed to do a song I'm calling

676
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 4: him and everything he already didn't got murdered. There was

677
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 4: such a sad thing happened to me with Payback Me

678
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 4: and Payback finally start talking about doing some music and

679
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,439
Speaker 4: payback guys. And it's like, you know, I think about

680
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 4: a lot of that stuff, even with sight because I

681
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:45,439
Speaker 4: remember you was going through that. But but there's still

682
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 4: a space still for you know, the seasoned hip hop

683
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 4: artists to exist.

684
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: But I agree, you have to find a space to

685
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 1: make it a priority.

686
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 4: Like you might lose time for yourself because you do

687
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 4: gotta be a husband, you do gotta be a father.

688
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: But there's time for you to still contribute to this culture.

689
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 4: You know of people that's looking for your for your

690
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 4: opinions and for you to represent.

691
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: But you got to make space. And that's the important

692
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: That's the thing.

693
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 3: Bro. People get married, dude and I'm gonna tell you, you know,

694
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 3: you got a woman that you love, man, And I

695
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 3: don't care what women. Every woman is cool at the beginning,

696
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 3: right because they meet you when you have this career going, right,

697
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 3: you got this thing that you do going. I'm gonna

698
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 3: tell you all of them start out cool. But after

699
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 3: a while, you know, you talk about you go on

700
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 3: that road. Man, you may be gone for thirty days,

701
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 3: forty five days. After a while, that's when the bullshit start,

702
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, It's like, you know what, Yeah,

703
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 3: this is how you make your living. But do you

704
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 3: have to go be gone that long? And I tell

705
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 3: people the way, the end, the way, the remedy that

706
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 3: dog is take their ass and the road with you.

707
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 3: And they once they go out there and see that

708
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 3: it's all not a party, they'll never ask you to

709
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 3: go on the road again. They will never add you again.

710
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 3: You know what you brought up Africa being bot it earlier, man,

711
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 3: And I know it's like it's a lot of hypocrisy man,

712
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 3: and just media and hip hop. Nobody ever mentions what

713
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 3: this man has done.

714
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 4: Man just got a lot of crazy accusations. So it's

715
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 4: it's just tough for certain people.

716
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 3: But you know, and me, that takes nothing away from

717
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 3: what he's did for the culture. He did a significant

718
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 3: service for the coach, but you know, they don't take nothing.

719
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 3: And I'm not gonna go too much into that man,

720
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 3: but you know, when I heard some of the ship

721
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 3: that he was doing the people dog, it was just

722
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 3: like what he was doing, because I don't he was

723
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 3: acting the people. Yeah, after a while, because don't nobody

724
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 3: want to believe that, Like it's like I got.

725
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 1: I don't even want to get into all that because

726
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,839
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, that Nigga ain't fight

727
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: no criminal charges and whatever is going on with him is.

728
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 4: His cross the bear if there's something going on with him.

729
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 4: So I don't want to talk about alleged things with

730
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 4: another man, but I will tell you for sure doing

731
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 4: the homework on a planet rock and what it means

732
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 4: to hip hop and really the foundation he laid down

733
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 4: as a creator, you know what I mean to understand

734
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 4: he wasn't the greatest musician, you know, but to know

735
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 4: how to work the equipment and you know, take what

736
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 4: craft work, you know what's doing and you know, knowing

737
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 4: he understands cool, you know, and making something cool you know,

738
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 4: really laying the foundation for hip hop outside of sampling.

739
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, dog him uh, I would say battle cap, not

740
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 3: battle cap, Jimmy Spicer, Jimmy Spicer, Africa, Bambada Leaven the

741
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 3: dude that whoever producer who Deani at the time. Dog,

742
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 3: it went to a level dog to where that was

743
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 3: all free doctor Dre, DJ Quick to me and Herbie

744
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,760
Speaker 3: Love Bud. You know what I'm saying, all those guys.

745
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 4: You know who don't get credit in that conversation of producers.

746
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 4: Too short, too short, too short like a motherfucker for sure, rapper,

747
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 4: but the producer. That's what I'm talking about, too short

748
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 4: to I keep saying this. I genuinely think too short

749
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 4: as a producer.

750
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 3: Is And I know, how dare you g you know,

751
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 3: I know what you talked about.

752
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 4: I think he's responsible for how G funk is digested.

753
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 4: Like not the title that G funk the word is

754
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 4: obviously big hutching above the law, but G Funk the sound.

755
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 4: I think it's all the descendant of don't fight the feeling.

756
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 3: Bro go back and listen to what's the appum man,

757
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 3: the too short guy. I gotta go on my apple

758
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 3: hold on one second, I was just listening to this

759
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 3: last night when I was riding a round the wife. Right,

760
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 3: we was on our little date night. Right, I'm gonna

761
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 3: tell you this. I was listen to this and this

762
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 3: was a phenomenal Too Short album Dog, actually one of

763
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 3: my favorite two short albums Dog. He had some crazy

764
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 3: stuff on it, and it was all pre this is

765
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 3: all this predates chi Funk. I believe Dog Gun Short

766
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 3: got all these albums Dog.

767
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: That's good, Right, we gotta do Top five.

768
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 3: Fit In Dog. You gotta go in and listen to

769
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 3: Get In Where You Fit In? Right? That came out of.

770
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: Ninety three Get In Where You Fit In? G Funk.

771
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 3: No, I don't, but he got some records that not

772
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 3: Get In from Get In Where You Fit In? Don't

773
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 3: predate it, but it was around the same time. Go

774
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 3: back and listen to The Dangerous Crew where he had

775
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 3: a young spice one on there. Listen to Get In

776
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 3: Where You Fit In, Listen to Playboy Short, Way Too

777
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 3: Real and all that other shit. Short has some shit,

778
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 3: Dog and Bench don't get the credit he deserved.

779
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely doesn't.

780
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 3: Go back and listen to Born to Mac Dog. Go

781
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 3: back and listen to Life Is Too Short, Dog.

782
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, Life is Too Short is one of those records

783
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 1: that came out of nineteen eighty eight.

784
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 3: Gee, did you realized man? When Born and Mac came

785
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 3: out Dog, the riginal version, I was sixteen years old.

786
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 3: I still remember the original version before it went to JIB.

787
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 3: It got switched around a little bit and some songs

788
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 3: changed a little bit. It didn't changed that much, but

789
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 3: I was sixteen when that shit came out Dog, Too Short, Man,

790
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 3: I think man, believe it or not, Dog. I think

791
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 3: Too Short as possibly one of the greatest rappers of

792
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 3: all time. And I think he's he's one of the

793
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 3: few people that's nationally accepted well.

794
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 4: I think that goes without saying right. He's definitely a

795
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 4: phenomenon of culture himself. Think about his production, His production

796
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 4: ideas are really underrated in the grand scheme of what

797
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 4: he does. And I think that's probably why. You know,

798
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 4: because Too Short does get a lot of credit, but

799
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 4: he don't get nowhere near the credit because we don't

800
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 4: consider him a producer. You know, you look at Dre

801
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 4: and Quick, right, but then Too Short is the first

802
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 4: rapper producer m you know, Short as the.

803
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 3: Ship Dog Too Short. You know what man. And that's

804
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 3: the dope part about this job. Man. You know, being

805
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 3: a podcaster, you start from a relationships with people you

806
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 3: actually look up to. Like it's just cool. Sometimes you know,

807
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 3: I may take short right and short at one of

808
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 3: them dudes. You know he keep up him bust the

809
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 3: rhymes is two niggas that always get back to you.

810
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 4: Oh they love to teach, for sure. Shout out the

811
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 4: Buster too, because he's somebody I need to learn from.

812
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 4: But man, like Ice Team, Ice Team loves to teach.

813
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 3: You know.

814
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 4: It's not a lot of the brothers we grew up

815
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,760
Speaker 4: list to and forgive me because they all love to teach.

816
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 4: Maybe dre wud be the hardest one, but for sure

817
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 4: Battlecat does. I don't think they know how to do

818
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 4: it innately, but if you come to them with a

819
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 4: question that pushes something that's not as simple, man, they

820
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 4: love it.

821
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,040
Speaker 1: Like Quick, even Quick.

822
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 4: I've asked Quick questions like DM and him and he'll

823
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 4: just it'll spin off until a ten minute back and

824
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 4: forth conversation.

825
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 1: And I've learned so much about something I didn't know about.

826
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 3: So oh Quick loves teaching. You Quick will sit up there, man,

827
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 3: Quick gave me a whole lesson. One time on vocals,

828
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 3: he went in the room. I was doing something right,

829
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 3: he stopped it and came in there. He adjested my

830
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 3: mic and he said, holds your chin up and wrapped

831
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 3: like this, that's why you run out of breath because

832
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 3: you're doing it. And I said it damn. And that

833
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 3: took me to another level right there, Bro, Yeah, it

834
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 3: took me to another level. And he loves if you

835
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 3: sit up there and talked quick about mixing and engineering

836
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 3: and how to get your drums right and your snares right,

837
00:42:57,600 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 3: he will sit there and teach you everything that he knows.

838
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 3: If you got the patience, dog and you catch him

839
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 3: on the right time, No, he would sit up there

840
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 3: and teach you, bro, and start today, man man quick.

841
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying, gee, is these people will actually

842
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 3: get back to you. And you know I'm not gonna

843
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 3: say no names. I got people I thought was my friends. Dog,

844
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 3: I can't get them to return the text. Dog. It

845
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 3: may be even.

846
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 4: With Bobcat Like when you can't get Bob, you can

847
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 4: get information.

848
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 1: Bob is just one of the niggas.

849
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 4: I realize that just log out of life, like whatever

850
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 4: he got going on is just over there.

851
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

852
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 4: And it's crazy because I talked to little Egypt right

853
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 4: and he said the same thing like me.

854
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: Sometimes I can't get so once.

855
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 4: I hear that, I understand because that's like me, big bro.

856
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 4: I ain't have my phone my ringer on in what

857
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 4: is it now? This is sixteen years two thousand and eight.

858
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 4: I turned off my ringer in January, I said, January first,

859
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 4: I'm gonna turn off all my ringers and notifications. So

860
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 4: whatever I'm in front, like right now, me and you talking,

861
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 4: I can give you all of my attention. Because two

862
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 4: thousand and seven was such a crazy year. I would

863
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 4: get so many phone calls and people needed stuff, and

864
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 4: I could never give my attention to things that I

865
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 4: was doing right in front of me because I was.

866
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 3: I keep my ringer off too, you know, I got

867
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 3: I turned my ringer off. And it's four people, dog

868
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 3: that if they call more than once the phone a

869
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:30,439
Speaker 3: ring You know you can set your phone to do that, right, No,

870
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 3: yeah you can. Dog. That's my mama, you, my brothers,

871
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 3: my sister, my kids, and my wife. Dog. And that's

872
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 3: a little bit more than four people. But that's how

873
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 3: it is because you won't get nothing done because you

874
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 3: are messed around to be having conversations. But that's why

875
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 3: I tell people, don't get mad if I don't call

876
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 3: you back right away. And that's why I understand people

877
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 3: don't return phone calls because you just get caught up

878
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 3: with life and you got shit that you're trying to

879
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 3: do and get done, and you won't get done because

880
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 3: you got to remember at one time, we didn't have

881
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 3: cell phones, and I think we was better off, bro.

882
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 3: I think we have too many ways for people to

883
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 3: reach out to you. Right now, dog, we almost have

884
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 3: an over abundance of conversation, and you almost can be

885
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 3: overstimulated at some point. Do you feel what I'm saying.

886
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 1: Definitely, it's easy to get distracted.

887
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 4: Like just right now, somebody was telling me something and

888
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 4: that's why I cut that motherfucker off because we having

889
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 4: a conversation. But I digress before we got to this

890
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 4: whole thing. Even like Bob right like or anybody else

891
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 4: that want to teach, when you have them in those moments,

892
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 4: they will. But those moments like DJ Pool like I'll

893
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 4: send like you know what, I've gotten the habit of

894
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 4: doing sending My favorite guys Dazz, DJ pool Ice Tea

895
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 4: just sending them songs like look, Nigga, I don't want

896
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 4: you own this just for you, right because you a

897
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 4: real motherfucker, Like and you know what I'm about.

898
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 1: So here go some music.

899
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 4: And it's dope to hear them give feedback or their ideas,

900
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 4: like Exhibit, Like, you know, one of the greatest joys

901
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 4: of my life is impressing Exhibit as an MC. You

902
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 4: know what I mean when he's like, damn gee, that

903
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 4: motherfucker tough because I respect his taste on them, seeing

904
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:16,959
Speaker 4: I would have never.

905
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 3: Had them love hip hop too, bro, Exhibit really loves

906
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 3: hip hop, you know. Exhibit just had Dirty Birdie in

907
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 3: the studio and work on the whole project with him.

908
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 3: He just gave it to yeah, because.

909
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 4: And that's where I'm trying to get the Battlecats, the

910
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 4: Warren G's, the you know, the DJ quicks and the

911
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 4: DJ slips to get back to, like, look, I know

912
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 4: you in your prime, you was fighting for twenty million

913
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 4: a night. He was getting twenty million a night. Right

914
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 4: in your prime, you was getting big money, clocking all

915
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 4: the checks. Right, But goddamn it, now you feel me.

916
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:57,399
Speaker 4: You not out of the fight. But you gotta fight right,

917
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 4: You gotta fight to stay at to keep rhythm because

918
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 4: no matter what them type of motherfucker's got to know

919
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 4: is you don't know where your next check is at.

920
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 4: See that's the difference when you was in your prime,

921
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 4: you're getting twenty million, you feel me. You know your

922
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 4: next check twenty But then when it slide down, you

923
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 4: need to break that money down so you can fight

924
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 4: four times a year.

925
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: Stay in rhythm. You'll fight you some bumps, get out there,

926
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 1: get pick up some new talent.

927
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 4: You know, do seven songs, e peas, put them out yourself,

928
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 4: give them twenty percent.

929
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you twenty percent on battlecap. You are

930
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: on to come up, I'll give you twenty percent.

931
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 4: I'm gonna take eighty percent, and we're gonna put this

932
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 4: out and put yourself out there. You know, four times

933
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 4: a year, fight four times a year because guess what,

934
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 4: look at h boy. You fuck around and find yourself

935
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 4: in a great situation and then you'll be in rhythm,

936
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, And.

937
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: All your catalog goes up.

938
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 4: But it's just hard to get warned quick to a

939
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 4: cat to get down. But I stay on them, man,

940
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 4: I hit Rock Wilder, Hey, roight Man, let's do some music.

941
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 4: I've been on, Eric Simon e Man, let's do some music.

942
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 4: Sometimes they return, sometimes they don't. But listen, every time

943
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 4: they look up, big bro, they gonna see me. They

944
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 4: about to see us on Jimmy Fallon. Every time they

945
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 4: look up, they gonna see me like this little crazy

946
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 4: motherfuckers in my dms right now.

947
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 1: And when we get it, we're gonna do the work

948
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,760
Speaker 1: we deserve now. I can't give every artist this mind state.

949
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying that I have because I

950
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 4: fell in love with hip hop in a way that

951
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 4: I can't believe.

952
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 3: Right.

953
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: But the producers know the jelly rolls no, so there's

954
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 1: no reason why they shouldn't be finding cats doing six

955
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: and seven song EPs just to put on for the culture,

956
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: just to artistically express it and stay in the rhythm

957
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: of boxing them making great music. You have to do that.

958
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: Shit's important. Dunh.

959
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, bro, you know what's funny? Man?

960
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 3: I want to go back to each hit it real quick.

961
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,919
Speaker 3: Dirty Birdie shot the Dirty Birdie. That's my homeless nation,

962
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 3: brother man. Dirty Birdie is probably one of the illis

963
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 3: MC's on the West Coast, nasty, you know, super underrated man.

964
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 3: But and you know and Langston General man shout out

965
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 3: at my homies.

966
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: Man.

967
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 3: Dirty's won them dudes to where if you talk to anybody,

968
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 3: they know who he is. Right, he's super duper, like

969
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 3: you know, he don't want up there and did stuff

970
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,720
Speaker 3: for dre up at the pharmacy and stuff just for exhibit,

971
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 3: to take the time out of schedule to say, come on,

972
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 3: I got some music for you. And not only just

973
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 3: give them the tracks. He could have easily emailed them

974
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 3: the shit and did what he wanted to do over email. No,

975
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 3: he had him come in the studio. They put the

976
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,880
Speaker 3: work in and got together and exhibited it for nothing

977
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 3: in return. He didn't expect nothing. It got kind of disheartening, man,

978
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 3: because the biggest thing I would hear from these guys

979
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 3: for the longest, they may get fifty thousand, They may

980
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 3: have got sixty seventy thousand for a track one time

981
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 3: right now, that stay rate for everybody. Man can't afford

982
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 3: my beats. I get seventy thousand a beat. The one

983
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,720
Speaker 3: thing I respect about the New York and them down

984
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 3: South niggas g it could be two chains it could be.

985
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: See Low Green, it could be Malone.

986
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 3: Glasses Malone. But you're one of the few people out

987
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 3: here like that. Kendrick is like that too. If you

988
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 3: can catch him, He's gonna do the work. You feel

989
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. He's not gonna try to plush you up,

990
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 3: and he probably want to be not probably one of

991
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 3: the biggest artists in the world now, sure, But them

992
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 3: dudes down there tipping, all of them, they work first, dog.

993
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 3: They not on no shit, don't get me wrong. You

994
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 3: know that shit. Get the pop and they gonna send

995
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 3: you an invoice, but they go do the work first. Bro,

996
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 3: ain't no conversation about no check because they get what

997
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 3: it's all about. Let's go build something to make that

998
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 3: shit great.

999
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: Believe in the music.

1000
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 4: And see, that's what I think happens to. You know,

1001
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 4: you aige yourself out of hip hop the day you

1002
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 4: stop believing in the music, you stop believe, like you've

1003
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 4: seen it work at the highest level. But then now

1004
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 4: you're like, what the business. No, there's still a magic

1005
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 4: in the music. There's still a magic in this shit.

1006
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 4: Like that's what I can't get people to understand. People

1007
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 4: is talking to me about records, and I'm like, yeah,

1008
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 4: records can have a formula, but there's still a magical

1009
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 4: component that you got to recognize and really, you know

1010
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 4: and really respect there's a magical component to this shit,

1011
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 4: and you know, getting the legends to understand that you

1012
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 4: gotta fight.

1013
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: You should be putting out four fights. You should be

1014
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 1: putting out four EPs a year. You should be putting

1015
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: out four EPs a year with different artists, should be

1016
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,240
Speaker 1: putting out five packs.

1017
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 4: There's no reason. I tell One all the time, I

1018
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 4: tell Cat all the time. I tell Das, there's no

1019
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 4: reason that there should not be a Glasses Malone battle

1020
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 4: Cat five pack of music, a Glasses Malone warrant g

1021
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 4: five pack of music, a Glasses Malone, Das Dinners your

1022
00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 4: five pack of music.

1023
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: There's no reason why that shouldn't exist.

1024
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. You know what's funny about Warren though, When Warren

1025
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 3: Warren is always making beats. I remember I was talking

1026
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 3: to him one day and I was like, man, I

1027
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 3: got to think of an intro for Gangster, you know,

1028
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 3: for Gainst Chronicles at that time. Right, he sent me

1029
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 3: a beat fifteen minutes later, right that he had just

1030
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 3: cooked up for the show. Right, still our intro to

1031
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 3: this day, right, And I swear I should have got

1032
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,359
Speaker 3: with Warren and put that motherfucker on seal. I get

1033
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,839
Speaker 3: so many people asking me to send him this song, Dog,

1034
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,399
Speaker 3: because this is actually a three minute song on that man.

1035
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 3: You know what, Cocaine just on that motherfucker doing what

1036
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 3: he do and RBX is on that motherfucker. It's actually

1037
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 3: really dope, man. But you know, just to half stuff

1038
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 3: like that and send it to you know, Cocaine, shout

1039
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 3: out to Coco sending up them. He dropped the hook

1040
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 3: up on that motherfucker Dog. And just I thought about it,

1041
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 3: I said, man, I don't fucked around. I got one

1042
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars motherfucking song as intro to my show.

1043
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 1: And these motherfuckers still got it, don't These mother fuckers

1044
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: still got it. They not close to being done.

1045
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 3: Warren is a bad motherfucker Dog.

1046
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:09,839
Speaker 1: You mean to tell me right now?

1047
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 4: You think if you get Quincy Jones and a motherfucker studio,

1048
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 4: it ain't gonna jam nigga, Please, There ain't a nigga

1049
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 4: that was dope at making beats that you can't get right.

1050
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 4: I was in there with Teddy Riley in twenty sixteen

1051
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 4: for a summer. Probably was in there sixty some days

1052
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 4: out of ninety. Man, that nigga got it right now.

1053
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 4: Them niggas don't lose it. You get pre Mirroordo got it.

1054
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: These niggas got it still.

1055
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 3: You gotta remember I was up there with you a

1056
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 3: couple of times, and that nigga Teddy played some songs.

1057
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 3: You be like, no album with cas, this nigga made that,

1058
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 3: and you'd be like, damn that shit hard as a motherfucker.

1059
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 1: The motherfuckers. And that's what I'm saying. It's like these

1060
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 1: legends from.

1061
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 4: Hip hop put they they decide that they not fucking

1062
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 4: with it. But I'm telling you it's because like boxers

1063
00:53:56,080 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 4: like Deontay Wider ten twenty million dollars paydays and then

1064
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 4: and they can't talk, theyselves back down to two million

1065
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 4: dollar pay days or one million dollars to stay active.

1066
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: But you got and this is why, because you gotta

1067
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: be in love with the fucking sport, big bro.

1068
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 4: Because if you're not in love with the sport, if

1069
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 4: you eventually start doing it for money when they take

1070
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 4: the money away, you're gonna kill yourself.

1071
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,399
Speaker 3: Because gee, I'm gonna tell you, man, And I tell

1072
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 3: people this all the time. With the heartbreak and the

1073
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 3: bullshit you go go through with music. It ain't a

1074
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 3: check fucking big enough. Hell know, So if you do it,

1075
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 3: I don't give a fuck for a nigga cuts you

1076
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 3: a three million dollar check. You want to go through

1077
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 3: so much relationships with motherfuckers that you love, you gonna

1078
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 3: go through so much shit. You gonna lose a lot

1079
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 3: that you love the game. And see what people don't understand, man,

1080
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 3: In order to become a glasses Malone or especially a

1081
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 3: motherfucker Kendrick Lamar, you have to lose something. It's not

1082
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 3: it's gonna come up the price doog.

1083
00:54:55,880 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 1: I lost over the last eleven years. I lost a lot.

1084
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 4: I lost my mother, I lost a lot, I lost time,

1085
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 4: I lost my thirties.

1086
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: You know, but.

1087
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 4: When you love it, you know what I mean, Like

1088
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 4: you really never lost nothing. You got everything you were

1089
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 4: supposed to get.

1090
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 1: And but you have to love it, man, You gotta

1091
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: love man.

1092
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 3: You know what I meant to ask you, Dog and

1093
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 3: we and that's the shame, and we talk every day.

1094
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 3: Did you ever trip Dog off? The fact that she

1095
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 3: was signed the more time.

1096
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 4: Just probably in twenty sixteen, it hit me, you know

1097
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 4: when it hit me.

1098
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: I take that back. So in twenty fifteen, Member, I'm

1099
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: on the road in the car on my whole little.

1100
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 3: Here's going on your life. She was losing your mind.

1101
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 4: Everybody that fucking everybody thought I was losing my mind. Right,

1102
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:52,879
Speaker 4: But I remember seeing Hitsville. It was my first time

1103
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,799
Speaker 4: seeing Hitsville in person. And then I'm looking at it

1104
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 4: and I'm listening to all this music while I'm driving

1105
00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 4: from Detroit down to Cleveland, down to Cincinnati, down to

1106
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 4: Memphis right to get the stacks, and I just remember thinking,

1107
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 4: like I had these logos on my music, and I

1108
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 4: didn't know what that meant. I never thought about that,

1109
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 4: even with the vinyls, right, like I got my vinyls

1110
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 4: for cancer, these nuts right they in they dope.

1111
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Dope.

1112
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:27,800
Speaker 4: I had single vinyls with Cash Money Records right with

1113
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 4: Motown stamped on, and I never knew what that meant.

1114
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 4: Like I knew what Motown was because obviously you hear

1115
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 4: Tho the Temptations, you know it, but you don't know

1116
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 4: what it means. In the grand scheme of black culture

1117
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 4: as a whole or black music as a whole. You

1118
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,479
Speaker 4: don't have no fucking idea of you a fucking drug dealer,

1119
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,959
Speaker 4: gang Bago drug and Compton the watch that didn't trip

1120
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 4: off music outside of listening to it. But in twenty fifteen,

1121
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 4: I was standing in front of Hitsville in Detroit called

1122
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 4: the shit, and I'm looking at this shit like, holy shit,

1123
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 4: I was a part of this. I mean, don't get

1124
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 4: me wrong, Berry Gordy didn't sign my fucking check.

1125
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: But I had this logo on my logo and didn't

1126
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: know shit.

1127
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 4: And and that's why I said, even on a breakfast

1128
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 4: club interview, bro, Like I remember Charlotte Mane was like,

1129
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 4: last it can't be it. I was like, I didn't

1130
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 4: deserve it, Bro, I didn't deserve a check. Like I

1131
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 4: was on Twitter the other day, right and I was like,

1132
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 4: I deserve to be celebrated finally.

1133
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: Like you know, you hear the term celebrity, you're like celebrity, celebrity, and.

1134
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 4: Then you look at people You're like, man, you know

1135
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 4: y'all celebrate them Like Scarface he's a celebrity, but he

1136
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 4: deserves it. Now I deserve to be celebrated. I am

1137
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 4: worthy of celebration. You know what I mean, because of

1138
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 4: my due's paid. I hit Cube. I was like, my

1139
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 4: dudes is paid.

1140
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I hit DJ Pooh, my

1141
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 1: dues is paid. I hit Douve seeing the DM because

1142
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: of Dove. See you hear this. I hit Dulcie.

1143
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 4: I said, my dudes is dudes is paid up, Nigga,

1144
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 4: Now I'm coming to collect.

1145
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: So it's dope, bro.

1146
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 4: I didn't realize until I was sitting in front of

1147
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 4: Hiss Vial and Detroit Dog. Damn, They're about to come

1148
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 4: to tears, like wow, I was a part of this

1149
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 4: and didn't even know how to appreciate it or know

1150
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 4: what it means.

1151
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 3: When you think about the Legacy Dog when they pull

1152
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 3: up a thing. If they ever did a roster of

1153
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 3: all of the artists on More Time on the same list.

1154
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 1: With has dyed as a Jackson Robins was.

1155
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 3: The Jackson five is Michael Jackson as motherfucking.

1156
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: Smokey Robinsonoki Robinson Dog.

1157
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 3: And you look at that and you say, you know.

1158
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: Rick James, Rick fucking James.

1159
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,439
Speaker 4: You know, when you like to see it that way,

1160
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 4: you realize like, oh yeah, you you oldish. That's what

1161
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 4: I kept trying to tell everybody when they thought I

1162
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 4: was going crazy DJ heading and I'm like yore oldest

1163
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 4: game too much to be worried about how I'm gonna

1164
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:02,120
Speaker 4: make some money.

1165
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 1: I owe it too much.

1166
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 3: A hundred percent. That's one hundred percent, bro. And when

1167
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 3: you think about those moments like that, that's when you

1168
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 3: got to look at man like and I think you

1169
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 3: definitely start appreciating shitting when you get older. I remember

1170
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 3: when I was running around England, man, and I had

1171
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 3: an epiphany one time. I said, Man, I remember when

1172
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 3: I was in the kitchen and this one I think.

1173
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,080
Speaker 3: I think we all have these moments in our life

1174
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 3: when we decide that we done with property. I remember

1175
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 3: sitting in my mama's kitchen, man, not that we was.

1176
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 3: I looked back at it, Man, My parents did a

1177
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 3: good job. Man, My mama did a bomb ass job, right.

1178
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,200
Speaker 3: But I remember, Man, I was in the kitchen, Man,

1179
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 3: I was just real frustrated because I wanted some cereal

1180
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:51,320
Speaker 3: real bad right, And I turned on the lights. Man,

1181
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 3: I wanted to go get get some cereal and my

1182
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 3: brother somebody forgot to fucking because you know, you said

1183
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 3: to penning them bags tight or the roches getting them.

1184
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 3: Motherfucker's right. I rememberbout opening the cereal up the ropes

1185
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 3: crawled off that motherfucker. I was so fucking mad, and

1186
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 3: I said, now, I'm not ever had no roachres in

1187
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 3: my fucking house. And I swear to guy, see, I've

1188
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 3: never had to have roaches in my though life, though

1189
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 3: he ain't never had nothing, not saying that I too

1190
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 3: good for that ship. I can go back and live

1191
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 3: to see. One thing about being comes Cleveland a different

1192
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 3: type of poor. You don't realize you poor. If you

1193
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 3: got two pears to go to work in the house, dog,

1194
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 3: you not poor. You may not have everything. And I

1195
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 3: think about a dog just thinking about it.

1196
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 4: If you got two pairs that's working, you're not. You're

1197
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 4: not poor. You could be broke, but you'll We were broke.

1198
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 3: But we had roaches and we have mice in that motherfucker.

1199
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 3: We ain't had no rest. We have mice like a motherfucker.

1200
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 3: And Cleveland, it gets snow in the one time the

1201
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 3: mice gonna start, You be in the house and see

1202
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 3: one of the motherfuckers run across the Florida.

1203
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 4: Dog we got here too, huh, Like we gotta live

1204
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:54,439
Speaker 4: in here too. He's called outside Hell.

1205
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, so you think about it, bro, And

1206
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 3: I said, man, I am never going to go through

1207
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 3: this shit. Dog. I don't never want us have to

1208
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 3: spend a food stamp. Dog, I don't know. I don't

1209
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 3: want to go through this shit. And so when I

1210
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 3: was walking to England, Man, I thought about it, and

1211
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 3: I wasn't getting I was on a MTV base tour

1212
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 3: and I said, Man, they actually give me fifteen hundred

1213
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 3: dollars a show, and I'm doing twenty dates. I said, man,

1214
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 3: God is good. If you'd have told me some shit

1215
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 3: like that back then, I'd have been looking at you

1216
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 3: like he was crazzy. Man. I didn't know how I

1217
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 3: was gonna get it, dog, But I said, I'm a football,

1218
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 3: my way up out this motherfucker. That's why I feel

1219
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 3: Jake when he said i'm aa we could shoot three

1220
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 3: pointers a riddle, U wrap away out this motherfucker. I

1221
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 3: was feeling that shit, dog because I decided I wouldn't

1222
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 3: gonna go through no motherfucking promptly. Dog. I was gonna

1223
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 3: do whatever the fuck had to happen, Dog for me

1224
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 3: to get away from that shit. Well, that concludes another

1225
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 3: episode of The Gainst the Chronicles podcast. Be sure to

1226
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,640
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1227
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:57,840
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1228
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 3: the front of your screen. Subscriber to show me and rating.

1229
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 3: Executive producers for The Gangst Chronicles podcasts of Norman Steel,

1230
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 3: Aaron m c a. Tyler. Our visual media director is

1231
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 3: Brian Wyatt, and our audio editors Tellor Hayes. The Gainst

1232
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,840
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01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:16,520
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