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Speaker 1: o'clock on a Wednesday night at the Star in Frisco, Texas,

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Speaker 1: for the Cowboys Legend Show Bill Joes along with Mickey

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Speaker 1: Spagnola and Mickey this week it is a winning Wednesday

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Speaker 1: Legend show. How about that? Yeah? How about that? They

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Speaker 1: got on track on Sunday night. Things change so quickly

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Speaker 1: in the National Football dud, don't they they do? The

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Speaker 1: behind us here at Cowboys Club at the Star in Frisco.

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Speaker 1: And we've got a very special guest this week here

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Speaker 1: on the Cowboys Legend Show. Let's welcome in the great

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Speaker 1: Dat Win is in the house. Hello, Dat, how you doing? Hello, gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: thank you for having me. Um, So I was an

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Speaker 1: honor to be here with you. Guys. Well, it's an

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Speaker 1: honor to have you with us. And I want to

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Speaker 1: see which one of us confuses Dat with Dak. Okay,

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Speaker 1: who's gonna be the first one? And I'm nominating myself? Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll I'll seck at that it all happen. Well, that

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Speaker 1: how things going for you? Things are going good? And

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Speaker 1: can't complain. Um, it's um, it's just going I'm still

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Speaker 1: doing the same thing. Uh the last couple of years,

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Speaker 1: organization is. We're in our second year, so, um, we're growing,

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Speaker 1: We're getting better. I think when I heared the team,

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Speaker 1: all we can do. So you're downtown Fort Worth, right

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Speaker 1: I think it's more of just what you have heard,

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Speaker 1: five kids. What are the ages? I got a fifteen

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Speaker 1: of humor. They play sports at all. The girls do acrobatics, okay,

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Speaker 1: But you know, you arrived at this decision to pursue

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Speaker 1: into this business as a sports talk show host out

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Speaker 1: But I learned a lot from that. The radio business

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Speaker 1: But I wasn't there as a coachman. I think all

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Speaker 1: It was pretty It's they always said, getting a Chick

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Speaker 1: eight thousand applicants last year. I applied for Chick fil A,

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Speaker 1: I don't think they knew who I really was, like

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Speaker 1: even a football player or played for kind of knew

430
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,960
Speaker 1: but the Cowboys. But now, you know, people start noticing more.

431
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Speaker 1: People want to talk and costootball season. Yeah people are Yeah.

432
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,159
Speaker 1: Now now they do to start pointing and start waving

433
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:49,160
Speaker 1: and go Cowboys. You know. It's it's kind of funny.

434
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,360
Speaker 1: That's nothing to do with that cowboy jersey with dad

435
00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:55,600
Speaker 1: on the back that he wears it there. Yeah right, um,

436
00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,679
Speaker 1: So so you know, Bill, you you you he follows

437
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,919
Speaker 1: the game aim so closely. One of my great pleasures

438
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,240
Speaker 1: when he was working at the radio station in San

439
00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:09,639
Speaker 1: Antonio is they would come to training camp at least

440
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,679
Speaker 1: for once a year about a week or whatever, and

441
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 1: I'd stand next to him in practice and he'd watch

442
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 1: the offense line up and he'd tell me what was

443
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,240
Speaker 1: getting ready to happen. And he was right all the time.

444
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 1: It was like, okay, now the defense needs to do this.

445
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 1: It was amazing how he could analyze things. Yeah, it's

446
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 1: just because of experience. And guess what, Jayden Smith, if

447
00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,160
Speaker 1: keeps watching it, seeing it and just something that's part

448
00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 1: of your life, and and what's what's the philosophy of

449
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 1: of office of coordinators? What is their team? What is

450
00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 1: the mindset? I think that really helps you of how

451
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Speaker 1: to kind of anticipate what play is going to be.

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Speaker 1: What always happened is Okay, if you've runned on first

453
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Speaker 1: and ten, if you don't get any yards, guess what's

454
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Speaker 1: gonna be. It's not gonna be another run and right, well,

455
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 1: it might be a draw, but more likely it's gonna

456
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 1: be a quick throw, slant five yards, stick route, something

457
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,159
Speaker 1: that they can get managed both third down if you

458
00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 1: throw the ball, and first down and completely guess what,

459
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 1: there's a good time you have to run the ball

460
00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 1: now because you don't want to be in third and ten.

461
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: But then minutes time remaining on the clock kind of

462
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 1: factors some of that in two minute anything with a

463
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Speaker 1: two minute or three minutes, and then the score kind

464
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Speaker 1: of allows you to think differently too. But that's that's

465
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Speaker 1: what's so fun. And that's why how Bill taught me

466
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 1: about the game, and he said, hey, just don't watch

467
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 1: the game. Watch the game. They'll run the play to

468
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Speaker 1: run the play, the whole situation in this this reason

469
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Speaker 1: why we do all this stuff, you know. So it's funny,

470
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 1: but it's what you learn and what you see. And

471
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 1: and football has always been always entertaining, you know what I

472
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Speaker 1: I mean. It's always like in your mind, like what

473
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Speaker 1: was this guy gonna do this play? Because there's sometimes

474
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Speaker 1: that the situation that comes up, like he's gonna call

475
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Speaker 1: the time out, He's not gonna call time out, you

476
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Speaker 1: know what I mean? Stuff like that where I guess

477
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Speaker 1: like who played the other night, Um, I can't remember

478
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: when it was. I was watching the game and somebody

479
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,439
Speaker 1: should have called time out and they didn't and then

480
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 1: left right before the half. It was, um, Chicago right

481
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,359
Speaker 1: up for the half. Instead, they think they should have

482
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,959
Speaker 1: called time out, but it's not even they didn't call

483
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: time out. I was like, well, you just wasted opportunity,

484
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: because all you needs an opportunity. You never know what's

485
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 1: gonna happen in the play. Give yourself a chance to

486
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: run the play and then see what happens. Yeah, I

487
00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 1: could bust a coverage. Guy can slip and fall down.

488
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 1: Guess what, there's not one player that busted out bust

489
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Speaker 1: the game out wide open. So you mentioned Bill a

490
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 1: couple of times. Bill Parcels, what was your first impression

491
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Speaker 1: of him compared to your lasting impression. Well, I didn't

492
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Speaker 1: think I was gonna last um just because ut his scheme, right,

493
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: six four two fifty mono, I mono. He wants the tougher,

494
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Speaker 1: bigger guys. And and we did this, and I remember

495
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,679
Speaker 1: coach Zimmer, and Zimmer pull us myself go hey, you

496
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Speaker 1: guys are gonna be fine. Don't worry. Because it was

497
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: during the offseason. Me and he came in, he goes,

498
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Speaker 1: don't worry about it. We'll be fine. And and but

499
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Speaker 1: I like Bill. I love his demeanor. I love that

500
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Speaker 1: that he um he knows, he really knows a person

501
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: more than anything. I think that's that's the most underrated.

502
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: I think um thing about Bill ourselves that he cares.

503
00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: He's really he's really a big teddy bearer deep down.

504
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, I want to repeat that, but but

505
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Speaker 1: he does care. And then when you get to know him,

506
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Speaker 1: you talk to him. Guess what he sits and they

507
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Speaker 1: talk to you. Yeah, and he doesn't know him. He'll

508
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: talk to you and he'll ask you and then two

509
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: weeks later he'll ask you, Hey, how's mom or whatever

510
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: it is. That's the conversation that you have. And that's

511
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Speaker 1: why he connects so well with so many guys. But

512
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 1: you got to get in that circle. Until proved to

513
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: him that could play for him. He put me in

514
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Speaker 1: that circle and now, hey, dad, this is what do

515
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 1: you think? Hey do we need to run sprints today?

516
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 1: Or hey kind of ease back? In practice he was

517
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Speaker 1: giving He's asking me as like, hey, why are you

518
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: asking me? Man? Practice? You don't have to ask me.

519
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Speaker 1: You may mean run that wall. I run that wall.

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00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: You don't have to ask me if those guys are

521
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 1: tired or how's my legs? But it was I think

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Speaker 1: that's uh, the mutual respect that we have. I get

523
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Speaker 1: a text once in a while from him, still Jupiter.

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Speaker 1: He's in Jupiter. He's in Saratoga, New Jersey, and one

525
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Speaker 1: of the prids of Wyeah. He's up, yeah, there, up

526
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Speaker 1: in the horses there, and he'll test you right to

527
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: see how tough you are mentally, mentally or just your

528
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 1: person right. Not football. He'll talk to Mickey, he'll talk

529
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Speaker 1: to you a bill and then all of a sudden

530
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Speaker 1: he'll throw something out in left field. See how you

531
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Speaker 1: be spawned? So he has a he's a psychology major, right,

532
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: so he knows, Hey, he'd be spawned this way. MM.

533
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I like that if he spawned this way,

534
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: Hey I can, I can. If I'm stuck in the foxhole,

535
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: I want him, you know, I mean I saw I

536
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: saw him do that to Miles Austin. Miles was the rookie,

537
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: undrafted free agent, and I was sitting there talking to him.

538
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: He was sitting in the golf cart and Miles comes

539
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 1: walking up and he looks at him, Hey, Miles, are

540
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Speaker 1: you so and so smart? You know what you're doing?

541
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: And Miles goes, yeah, I think so. And you could

542
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: see Miles kind of like getting scared, right, and he goes,

543
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: what kind of scored. You get on your sat yeah,

544
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 1: and he goes, Coach, I got you know whatever it was.

545
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 1: He goes, oh, that's pretty good, okay, and then he

546
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: loosens up and tells him that basically, you grew up

547
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,479
Speaker 1: where I live, and he started with did you go

548
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 1: to so and So's storage? You get the ice cream

549
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: at this place? You know? And that was the part

550
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: that people didn't but he was. He was playing with

551
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 1: him getting to who he was. He is amazing that way.

552
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: And what did he call that? Win? A football playing dude?

553
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 1: That's exactly right, that win, the football playing dude our

554
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: guest here on the Cowboys Legend Show. And we're back

555
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: with this football playing dude in a moment, Guy co

556
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Speaker 1: presents for every Cowboys fan. Visit shop Fans United dot

557
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Speaker 1: com to find a location near you. Bill Jones with

558
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Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola and the Great Dat Win on the Cowboys

559
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: Legend Show from the Cowboys Club here at the Star

560
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 1: in Frisco. Mickey is now out in the audience high

561
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: wireless Mike and hopefully somebody's got questions because I'm not

562
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: walking around the pressure off just nothing. Somebody in the

563
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: neighborhood of Mickey over there to ask you a question.

564
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: I think we got one here. Okay, what's your name

565
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: and question? Yeah, driscoll uh um. I know in your

566
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: stats you only had like six sacks in your career,

567
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: but you had a ton of tackles and I remember that.

568
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: I think your first year you had like one hundred

569
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Speaker 1: and twelve or something like that. So is that because

570
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: of your position being the middle linebacker? You just you

571
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: your your idea was a stop whatever was coming through

572
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,639
Speaker 1: the middle. Yeah, So a lot of times when we

573
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: played third downs, it's all about your talent, your ability.

574
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 1: I was never a the fastest guy. I was never

575
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 1: linked is a big deal in pass rush, meaning that

576
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: arm linked and ability to get to the quarterback and

577
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: if you can turn your hips for me, I was

578
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: more of a cover linebacker than I was a blitz linebacker.

579
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Speaker 1: And my ability was that, Hey, there was other guys

580
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 1: that were better at me as a blitzer. You got

581
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: Kevin Hardy, you got Dexter Cokeley, you got even Darren Woodson.

582
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,200
Speaker 1: Those guys could get to the quarterback better just because

583
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: they were more athletic, they were faster, or they could

584
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: have ability to get to quarterback to certain guys have

585
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 1: different knack and ability and then you got to utilize those.

586
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: But for me, I was never a guy that could

587
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: get to the quarterback. I was more of a space guy,

588
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: mean that I understood concept and coverage and man cobbage

589
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: where I could give himself a chance to help the team. Hey, Bill,

590
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: if you look on my note sheet, there, I've got

591
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Speaker 1: the years and how many tackles he had the most

592
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: tackles those three years in a row. There, you expect

593
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: me to be able to read your right? Here you go.

594
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 1: So in two thousand and one he had one hundred

595
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: and seventy two total tackles, in two thousand and three

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00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty, and two thousand and four one

597
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty five. Could you add those up? That's

598
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: a lot of tackles. Does it equal his number of

599
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 1: tackles he had at Texas A and M. I've probably

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00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 1: got because now my understanding is no one has broken

601
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: as record of leading the team and tackles for consecutive years,

602
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: and according to Wikipedia, five hundred seven team career tackles

603
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: at Texas A and M. I'm still a record still

604
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: though I had some great players in front of me. Though,

605
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: that's the people forget. I had uh, Pat Williams, Brandon Mitchell,

606
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: Eddie Eddie Jasper, I had Reggie Brown, Keith Keith Mitchell,

607
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: had all these guys within the National Football League for

608
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: for a long time, extended time in the career. So

609
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: it was very fortunate to play behind those guys and

610
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: it made my job a lot easy. That's why I

611
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: had all those tackles. I got another question out here. Okay,

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00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: hey dad, my name is Boomer, and uh good to

613
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: see hey during your during you're playing days and Steve

614
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: at uh Texas A and M. I was down the

615
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: street to Stephen F. Austin play in your position. But hey,

616
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: but I wasn't as good as you are. Hey, So

617
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: talk about Texas A and M and talk about what

618
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: it was like to play with RC Slocan or playing

619
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: for RC Slogan. ARC Slogan was great. Um, he was

620
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: really a players coach, meaning that he would give you

621
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: an opportunity to succeed in life. He's more of a

622
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: life skill mentor than anything else to us. I can

623
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: tell you the first day I got to campus and

624
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 1: there was twenty six of us that were signed that year,

625
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: and I sat in this uh in Kane Hall, which

626
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 1: is the student dorm, the student athlete dorm, and it

627
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: was an auditorium and he sat down. They said, look

628
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: to you right and look to your left. Three years

629
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Speaker 1: from now, one of those guys not going to be here.

630
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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you after I graduating four years

631
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: at A and M, out of those twenty six guys,

632
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: there was only nine of us left from that class.

633
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: So the reality really, he really put you in position

634
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: to realize the opportunity that you have. I had an

635
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: opportunity to work with RC on college football studio show

636
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: for Fox Southwest back right after he had finished up

637
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: at Texas AD. I'm great man, and that's still very

638
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 1: involved down there in college. So I've got a question

639
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: out here, But it looks like you're working on your

640
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Speaker 1: phone there. Did you get any answers from your act?

641
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: I have actually all right. In the break, uh Dak

642
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: mentioned something about Jason Witten and you started off and

643
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Speaker 1: then I'll tell you what our spots I've gotten, right, Okay,

644
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: so um, we're just talking about and then we were

645
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 1: segue into oh, the Giants game when he went back

646
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: to New York for the first time, as a Dallas Cowboy,

647
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: and it was a Monday night game and we were

648
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: playing the Giants and we were winning the whole game

649
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: that all of a sudden in the fourth core they

650
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: came back and took the lead, and all sudden they

651
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: kicked the ball off and we didn't have any time.

652
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: I was left and the ball hit the pylon and

653
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: then when you hit the ball and then then go

654
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: into the end zone, so now it's a piloty and

655
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: the ball starts at the forty yard line. So during

656
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: training camp we practiced his play for about four or

657
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: five times and coach Parcel were like, man, what this

658
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: guy doing. We didn't understand his concept. We underhear system.

659
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: And he was like, you the situation might never ever

660
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: come up in your whole playing career, but if it does,

661
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: you better know it. And um, I was saying, so

662
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: every situation. We have about twenty five twenty six situation

663
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Speaker 1: that we practice, not every time, but just once in

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Speaker 1: a while during during training camp, and we play the

665
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: Giant to kick the ball hit the polin eleven seconds

666
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: left in the game and there no timehouse left. So

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00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: everybody on the side I looked at each other like, oh,

668
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: sixty two Max Calfe xquel. We don't know what the

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Speaker 1: player was. We kind of do, but we knew what

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Speaker 1: we were. You know, he was preaching during training camp.

671
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Speaker 1: So it was a three by one, three by one

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Speaker 1: you want jump yet, three by one formation. Three receivers

673
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Speaker 1: on one side, one receiver on the back side. They

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Speaker 1: running backs on the weak side. Quarterback obviously the shot

675
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Speaker 1: gun and uh it's called sixty two max Calfe xquel

676
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: meaning the front side of the field, which the three

677
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: receivers just a decoy. We're not even looking over there.

678
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: We're looking to the back side and the one receiver.

679
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: If they playing a press hard corner meaning that's cover two,

680
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: he'll run a quel, meaning he'll come in and run

681
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: a queue and get to the free safety and then

682
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: break out to the twenty five yards on the flag route.

683
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: Basically it's called que, but he'd be's soft and he's off.

684
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: He'll just run the regular eighteen and seven on the

685
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: twenty five yard route. So we sat in the sideline

686
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: and we watched in the ball snap and Quincy Carter

687
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: hit Antonio O'Bryant for that for that twenty five yard game.

688
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: We kicked the fifty two yard field goal. We got

689
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: the ball in overtime, went down, kicked it and won

690
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: the game. Situational football that we practice. That might not

691
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: have happened, but it happened. And so DAT said, next

692
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: time you see Jason Witton asked. Jason asked Jason about it.

693
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Speaker 1: So I decided I just go ahead and text Jason Witten.

694
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Speaker 1: So in the break, I just texted Witton and he

695
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: just responded. He said, Bill and I got our first

696
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Speaker 1: game in two thousand and three at Giants. This was

697
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: the play exclamation for Antonio O'Bryant forty yards downfield, gets

698
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: out of bounds for the Billy kind of game winning

699
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: field goal. Exclamation point, exclamation point. That was a boom

700
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: exclamation point, exclamation point, Situational football at its best, exclamation point,

701
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: got our first win. Exclamation point. That was just from Jason.

702
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Speaker 1: So there you go. It's amazing to think you guys

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Speaker 1: remember and even the play call. That's incredible. I got

704
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: another question for you here, Hey God, Hey Dad, this Keller.

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00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: How are you doing. Hey, I'm doing good. How are

706
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,760
Speaker 1: you doing good? Um? You know, over the over time

707
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: I've watched and I wanted to know it from you

708
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: because you're the professional tackler. Is it me or is

709
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,439
Speaker 1: it appear that today most of the players are doing

710
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: more heroic type tackles instead of making the tackle. In

711
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: other words, they're they're trying to strip the ball and

712
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Speaker 1: when they make that move, then all of a sudden

713
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Speaker 1: they don't make it and then guy goes away. It

714
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Speaker 1: seems like they're more into that than they are than

715
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Speaker 1: just making the real tackle. Yeah, that's the hardest thing

716
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: because coaches always when we when we play football, and

717
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: you know what go through football. There's only about ten

718
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Speaker 1: or twelfth sich or I'm sorry, possessions in the game,

719
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: and anytime you try to get a turnover, you change

720
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Speaker 1: the possession, you take a possession away from it, and and

721
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Speaker 1: you give yourself a chance. So I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of players the biggest thing is that they do want

723
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Speaker 1: to make the big plays. They do want the spotlight.

724
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Speaker 1: We all do. But the game of football has to understand, Hey,

725
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Speaker 1: what is the coverage? So you're making a tackle. For example,

726
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Speaker 1: if I'm going out to mister Bill Jones, I'm tackling

727
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Speaker 1: them and there's a cover two corners sitting outside, I

728
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,399
Speaker 1: can take my shots inside knowing that if I miss,

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00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: the corner will cover me and make it that if

730
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Speaker 1: the corner squatting outside and I'm got mister Bill Jones,

731
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Speaker 1: I'm hitting on the outside leg and I missed, I

732
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: derail both of us and now he's free and he

733
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Speaker 1: can make a big play. So understanding mister Bill Joes

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Speaker 1: go but yeah, but it But it's just understanding the

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Speaker 1: coverage and where your help is at. That's the number

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Speaker 1: one thing somewhere. Understanding football is not just a knowing football,

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Speaker 1: but knowing, Hey, where's my help? Can I take a

738
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Speaker 1: shot or can't I If I can't take a shot

739
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: and I can't trust that guy, I guess what. I

740
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: have to make the tackle. And then you secure the

741
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: tackles and typically should be the second guy in with

742
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Speaker 1: the mindset up, Hey, I'm gonna get the ball out

743
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: because the first tackle is already the first guy there

744
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: should be hanging on from dear life. And then the

745
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 1: other guy comes in and try to get the ball out.

746
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: But I think that's the most important thing for a

747
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: lot of plays they don't understand, is like, hey, let's

748
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: make the big play. There's a chance that there's there's

749
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,720
Speaker 1: a time and place of big plays, and there's certain

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00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: times that you have to make the right decision. Because

751
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: I tell people all the time when I go tell

752
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:31,439
Speaker 1: when I tell stories, it's like the best thing about

753
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: football that people don't talk about or nobody realized, is

754
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: that the four seconds the ball snap. I don't care

755
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: how loud is how crazy it is in the stadium,

756
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: you don't hear anything for four seconds. I do not

757
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 1: hear a thing. I can hear pin drops because your

758
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: soul you can't focus. Yes, yeah, so that's so that's

759
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 1: what's cool about I guess that's some one thing that

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Speaker 1: I'm missed moment. Yes, all right, we're gonna take a break.

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Speaker 1: You want to, No, I was just gonna. I was

762
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 1: just gonna ask him because the Cowboys when they got

763
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: se KWin Barkley in space, they had a hard time

764
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 1: bringing them down. But I think that had a lot

765
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: to do with him. Oh yeah, is his Billy. Yeah,

766
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Speaker 1: that's one of the best, one of the better running

767
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 1: backs I've seen in many, many years. Yeah. But the

768
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 1: thing about it is they were flying to the football

769
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: and if Jeff Heath missed a tackle, he has another guy.

770
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: You have him, and and that's you know, talking about Barkley,

771
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: He's gonna be an exceptional player. I haven't seen a

772
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: guy that has such balance and how big he is.

773
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: He's what, he's six two two thirty. You know. He

774
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 1: reminds me a lot of little more for ness Ricky

775
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: Williams in my playing days, because Ricky was big, but

776
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: he was very he had a great balance, he was

777
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: very light on his feet and um. But this guy

778
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: has burst. He hit the he can hit, look at

779
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: and get some offensive line. All right, we continue with

780
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 1: that win and find out if the Aggies are gonna

781
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: beat the Crimson Tide when we come back at just

782
00:37:53,840 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: the ball, but to the SWBC mortgage. Dallas Cowboys Legends

783
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: Show broadcasting live from the Cowboys Club at the Star

784
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: in Frisco. Final ten minutes to so with Dat win

785
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: here on the Cowboys Legend Show Bill Jones along with

786
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: Mickey spag Nola. All right, dat win. Third round pick

787
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Speaker 1: of the Cowboys nineteen ninety nine out of Texas, A

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Speaker 1: and M. Of course, he was with the Cowboys ninety

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Speaker 1: nine through two thousand and five, then an assistant coach

790
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys after that, also was inside linebackers coach

791
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: at Texas A and M under Mike Sherman after that

792
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: in twenty two thousand and eleven. But I want to

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00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: take you back to your career at Texas A and

794
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 1: M leading the team in tackles. I believe all four

795
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: years there, I'm amassing those five hundred and seventeen tackles.

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Speaker 1: Got still have. Everyone who ever has matriculated at Texas

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00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: A and M still has a love for Texas A

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Speaker 1: and M. Right, there's nothing quite like the Aggy family. Right. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it's unique. I think I tell people all the time.

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00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 1: It's that outside looking in you don't understand it. Inside

801
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: looking out you can't explain it. But that's what it is.

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00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: It's I don't know, it's a cold, it's just it's

803
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: just a unique, unique place. And uh, it's a place

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00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: where you know you can't share how how it is.

805
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 1: It's so. It used to be a small town. Now

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00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: it's bigger. I think we're one of the biggest university

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00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: in the country now since that we don't have a

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00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: cap on enrollment and every year we're adding two thousand

809
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 1: kids every year. I think we're on pace two being

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00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: seventy five thousand students. Seriously, like a few years here.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing. You can basically count those students at Blend

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00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: also because there's some bad that maybe don't qualify their

813
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 1: freshman year, but they live in the dorms, they're on

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00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 1: campus and they're going to Blend at Yeah, so we're

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00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: so the whole philosophy is now that we're growing so much,

816
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: we lose a little small town field because we were

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00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: hour and a half east of Austin, an hour and

818
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Speaker 1: a half north of Houston, so we're just a little

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Speaker 1: country town outside. But it's been unique. It's still unique.

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Speaker 1: The culture tradition that's still you know, top one of

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Speaker 1: the best places I ever had a chance of play.

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Speaker 1: And to to share that, I think, Um, it's been phenomenal,

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Speaker 1: uh place. I found my wife there and my wife

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Speaker 1: and I were you know, we're there the whole time,

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Speaker 1: and I can tell you it's just something that you

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Speaker 1: can't share with people how how special A M really is.

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Speaker 1: So when you decided on Texas, A and M, what

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Speaker 1: did it? Who did it come down to? A and

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Speaker 1: M and who? So sorry time I went to University

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Speaker 1: of Michigan on a trip. Back then, we didn't have Twitter,

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Speaker 1: we'd have Facebook, We didn't have Instagram. We didn't have

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Speaker 1: all this stuff, right, we know, December. So December one

833
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Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety three, I get in a knock and

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Speaker 1: I opened the door. It's Gary Moehler, the head coach

835
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Speaker 1: of University of Michigan ninety three ninety three, so that's

836
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Speaker 1: twenty five years. So we're like, whoa Gary Moehler. How

837
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: do you find Rockport, Texas? But your little town and

838
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: in the Gulf Coast. So he comes in talk to

839
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Speaker 1: my parents, and parents didn't speak English much. So ten

840
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: days later I took a trip to University of Michigan.

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00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: First time I flew on a plane, first time I

842
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: saw snow. First of my ate lobster. I was like, fan,

843
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 1: it is royalty, I'm coming here. So so I said,

844
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be big Blue. I'm gonna go Michigan. Uh So,

845
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: I kind of committed saying I was going to come back.

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00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: Cam Cameron was the recruiting coordinator there. He was the

847
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 1: head coach of Indiana. He's the only player ever to

848
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: play basketball and football at the University of Indiana. UM

849
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: so he recruited me there. Then I was like, oho,

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Speaker 1: since the paint for my trip to go around the country. Listen,

851
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: let's travel because since I've been around. So I go

852
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Speaker 1: out to UCLA. I flew in a plane, so sunshine

853
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: and palm trees and ate lobster. I was like, hey,

854
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: what's what's the common denominator here? Man? So so I

855
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: went to Texas for to visit University of Texas. Eate

856
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: too much of that ear camera sausages and then I

857
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: end up at A and M. And then um, you know,

858
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: for a fell at home. I felt like home. Uh,

859
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: I felt like that was the place are you supposed

860
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: to be? And when I signed, I didn't know there

861
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: was five line back as that signed and um. And

862
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:03,720
Speaker 1: when I got there, I was like, man, I was misable.

863
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: I wanted I wanted to quit, I wanted to transfer.

864
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: I wanted to leave A and M. My first year

865
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: I was it was. It was the toughest year. And

866
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Speaker 1: I said, hey, I read dedicated myself as an academic.

867
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Speaker 1: They're gonna pay for my school. Let's get the education

868
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: and make football second priority. So I went back and

869
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: you worked out at six in the morning. I came

870
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: back went to class at eight. Red shirted your first year.

871
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,879
Speaker 1: The red shirted my first year and then at twelve

872
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: o'clock I worked out again and it came back with

873
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 1: the team at four. So I worked at three times

874
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: a day just for an opportunity and uh and the

875
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: whole summer offseason I worked up to be a backup

876
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: to this guy that was an All American high school American.

877
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: He was going to start for the next three years

878
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 1: at A and M. I was like, okay, I'll maybe

879
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: my senior year, I get a chance to play. Right

880
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: before we play LSU on the opening res shirt freshman year,

881
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: on that Wednesday, Arc stoke Um said, Hey, get on

882
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: the line and let's run sprints. He steps on the

883
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: sprinkler head, WHOA, my career started? Was it? That's how

884
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: my career started. I wasn't gonna play. He was an

885
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: All American. He stepan sprinkle ahead, sprint his ankle and

886
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: can't play. His name was Wally Pip good one. That's right,

887
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: that's great. But oh yeah, so so then let's go

888
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: back further. Judging from your parents coming here from Vietnam,

889
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: I'm assuming they didn't know much about football. Right, two games,

890
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: two games with my high school career and both our

891
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,120
Speaker 1: parents and night my junior was senior year, and they

892
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: were out of the building or out of the stadium.

893
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: So what got you in the sport? What got you

894
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: interested in football? I just fell in love. I was.

895
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: I was playing basketball. I was much bigger. My mom

896
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 1: had a restaurant and I was eating a restaurant. We

897
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: had a buffet restaurant and says, tell people, oh, he

898
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: ate me out of business. So so um. So I

899
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: was playing basketball as much taller Asian guys and not

900
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: that not a tall so was. I thought it's gonna

901
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: be the next kill nil. So I got introduced to football.

902
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: My brother was playing, my cousin was playing. A junior

903
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: high coach asked me to come out and play. And

904
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 1: then when I when I went out there and played,

905
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: I fell in love with the game after that, and

906
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 1: that's how I got into football. And your parents were

907
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: okay with it. They were okay because they love. They

908
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 1: knew I was staying out of trouble and I was

909
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: playing something they're doing something I was enjoy doing. Yeah,

910
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:13,439
Speaker 1: that's okay. So Tuscaloosa, Alabama on Sunday afternoon, there's gonna

911
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: be tough. That's gonna be a tough one. Games like

912
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 1: this you hope whether whether there's elements that hopefully that

913
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: will be an equalizer and make the game a little

914
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: bit easier. Just like it was a Clemson A M

915
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: wasn't as talented as Clemson, but the weather helped. So

916
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 1: you hope that this could be the same thing, Sam scenario.

917
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: And games like Alabama, they're so good, they're so dominant,

918
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: but if you want a chance, gonna stay close, just

919
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: stay possession, stay close somehow and maybe the fourth quarter,

920
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: give yourself a chance. And I think that's a mindset

921
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: you gotta have because Alabama right now are blown teams away.

922
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 1: And the difference now is they've got a quarterback's phenomenal. Yeah,

923
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: but that's my best team the last decade. Now they

924
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: got the best quarterback. I don't like moral victories, but

925
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 1: if you stay close, like okay on national TV, I'm

926
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: okay with that, all right, So the whole move to

927
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,800
Speaker 1: the sec you you love it or I enjoy I

928
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: think an f fit's perfect. And you look at A

929
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: and M. You look at oh Miss, you look at

930
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: Starkville in Mississippi State, all those towns you go to,

931
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: you see You're like, WHOA A and M. Coller Station

932
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: Brian Coller station is very similar to all these little

933
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 1: towns that are in the SEC, and I like it.

934
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 1: I think we really made the right decision overall. Competitions

935
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: so much better. Not saying down great anybody else, but

936
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: it's the closest thing to the National Football League is

937
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: watching the SEC and the excitements higher, right, think just

938
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: every game's beating. Yeah, those guys on the Beasts six

939
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 1: six six seven of the Giants and they're massive there.

940
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: You watch them out there, unbelievable. So were are you

941
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: on renewing the rivalry with Texas. I'm fine with it.

942
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: I love it. I wish we do it every year. Yeah,

943
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: I think there's always excuses. Oh yeah they could. We're

944
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 1: playing a big old conference. What doesn't matter. Both every

945
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: has accused. But but you have bragging rights, you know.

946
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: That's what's thing that I think a lot of people

947
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: miss is that one one day that you got to

948
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: compete with them. In three hundred and six or four days,

949
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: whoever won that game, you get the bragging right for

950
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: the whole year, and you miss that. All right, Cowboys Seahawks.

951
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: What the Cowboys need to do against the Seahawks team.

952
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: It's the whole opener for Seattle. They've started out with

953
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: two on the road, they're owing two and it's like

954
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: the wounded Tiger and Parcels would probably have a story

955
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: to tell. So the desperate team, they're a desperate team.

956
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to do everything they can to win.

957
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: Then'll be surprised they're gonna punt the ball. But we

958
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,919
Speaker 1: guys gotta do what you gotta do and uh, and

959
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: you gotta respect Russell Wilson. He's gonna try to make

960
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 1: some plays. But overall, I think we're all better team.

961
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: Seattle is not the same team that used to be,

962
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: but you still gotta respect them because they did win

963
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: Super Bowls. You do still have a quarterback, and as

964
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 1: we all know, you gotta have a quarterback to win

965
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: this league. And Russell Wilson's one of the better ones

966
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: in this league. And they have one nine consecutive home openers.

967
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 1: How about that Hull streaks gotta be broken at fourteen

968
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: and fifteen. They made sure they put that at the

969
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: top of their release. By the way, having something positive

970
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: going on, right, Do we know who our legends guest

971
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: is gonna be next week? Yes, we do. It's Walt Garrison.

972
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 1: Oh shocking, all right and I know already. Yeah, very

973
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 1: good and if you want to see that wind. During

974
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: the week, he's making appearances in a chick fil A

975
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: in downtown for worth right, Yes, sir, ever wor you

976
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: ever worked the window the drive up window and people

977
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: come there yet there we think selfies? What's the location? West?

978
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Speaker 1: Episode is five four nine Carroll Street. Okay, all right,

979
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 1: that doesn't for the Cowboys Legends show DAT will appreciate

980
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: you joining us this week. This was great. See you

981
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 1: again next week. If you're like me and you love

982
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: I mean, if you have a