1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to Jay dot Ill, a production of I Heart Radio. Hi, 2 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 1: this is Jill Scott and you are listening to Jay 3 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:17,319 Speaker 1: dot Il the podcast. Uh huh. And I'm here with 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:22,440 Speaker 1: my sister friends Laiah Saint Clair. Yet that's a studid 5 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: damn sorry an agent agent. Agent. That's a nice name. 6 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: Somebody you. I bet you, somebody's gonna be like, that's 7 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: my son. Agent. That's nice. Asian grad and danger agent 8 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 1: Agan Gravy. Do you do you like a filter? Yo? 9 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: Like it's like my mom my mom my mom says perfect. Oh, 10 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: that's just perfect. Agent. I don't know, I'm getting old. 11 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: What you're gonna do? I love it though. I love 12 00:00:55,640 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: when people say stuff wrong. It's somebody says beautiful. Oh, 13 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: I like stomach. No. No. One of my favorites from 14 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: going up in d C was crowned crown Crow. Okay 15 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:27,559 Speaker 1: okay o Orange, that terrible joke about the lady who 16 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: had twins and she ate Jello her whole pregnancy, Lemon 17 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: Jello and ran Jello and lemona what the that's that's 18 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: over love that joke Lemon Jello and ran Jello. That's 19 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: so cute. That's cute because I can see it. That's 20 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: calling the roll in class. It's not orange, it's orange 21 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: ran yes and Lamnengelo like that. I love when black 22 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: folks make up names. This is my favorite thing in 23 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: the world. I was I was going to try to 24 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: do some work in creating a registry for made up 25 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: black names, because I think it's a way that we resist, 26 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 1: that we decide to come up with our own cultural names. 27 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: And I think it is a beautiful thing actually, and 28 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: we should start. Listen, that's an existing name. I'm talking 29 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: more about stuff that people just make but I'll go 30 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: with it, lexus. But I feel like we should definitely 31 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: come up with actual meanings for the made of Like 32 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna name my next baby because I'm you know, 33 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,080 Speaker 1: I'm old enough to still have baby, So I'm gonna 34 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 1: have a I'm gonna have a daughter and her name 35 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: is gonna meet Jore Mako faster yep, yeah, my singer. 36 00:02:58,080 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like every time I see and be 37 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: like in the morning, Oh, is that what you're doing? 38 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: What sho? I don't know. Johnny Mirko Fossila, that's her 39 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: name's yeah, without a last name, with nothing, that's just 40 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: Jey Mirko fossil. What does that mean anyway you? Oh, 41 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: Jah means God, ray is king or light. Jerey may 42 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,799 Speaker 1: to me me me in the in the dictionary means 43 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 1: to me jerey may Cole means with fi is the 44 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: fourth note on the diatonic scale. Four is my favorite 45 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: number that I've been following four forever. Jemico file so 46 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: means to such an extent. Did you know that soul 47 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: means such to such an extent? Yeah? So all it 48 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: is king to me with the fourth note of the 49 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: diactonic scale to such a degree that I exult ship. 50 00:03:54,360 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: That's what it means. And that's some straight that's some 51 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: straight Negro singing that song like I'm singing a different language. 52 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: Job that'll teacher South African. It's pretty, and it's pretty 53 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: in a concert when everybody sinks it shed it. I 54 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: can imagine how it feels when you have a name 55 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: that your mom made up and it's like a mixture 56 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: of stuff. You know, um, shouldn't he quitte? You know, 57 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, like I don't know. It's it's a 58 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: lot of different names, and it's they're also creative. I 59 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: can imagine when you're in school and having some you know, 60 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: some Caucasian teacher calling your name, like what that feels 61 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 1: like every time? Every day? And can we just call you? 62 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: Can we just call you Lucy? Can we just call you? What? 63 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: Can we go? Do you have a nickname? Can we 64 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: just call you something else? Or how about they don't 65 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 1: even ask you, They just decide what it says and 66 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: then call you that forever and ever. Yeah, Hi, Asia Agent, Hi, Yeah, 67 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: because it's got to be something else that can't be 68 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: this difficult for me to say to two syllables. I 69 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: say all the time, two syllables, three letters, like it's 70 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: in the first letter of thealth of that you got 71 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: that from the first first Jealous of you because I 72 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: do wish I had another syllable, Yeah, I mean like 73 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 1: both my names are like yeah, I'm like I couldn't 74 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: get it. I couldn't get another syllable out here. Yeah. 75 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: So so you know, growing up it's Jill scott Man, 76 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 1: and you know, I go to my job interviews and 77 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: I was not what they expected at all at all. 78 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 1: And there has definitely been a few times I'm going 79 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: to say, I'm going to say maybe about three three 80 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: times when I was told that the job was filled 81 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: when you got there, when I got there, because they 82 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 1: saw the name and they thought they thought I was 83 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: somebody else, and I didn't caught three buses to get here. 84 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 1: I'm trying to finish school. I need this job to 85 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: chump ass job that I get here, and I'm not. 86 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: I'm not what you thought. So the job has been filled. 87 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: Like a Renee scot to me, Yeah, you know it's 88 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: that not a Renee scot five. What do you do 89 00:06:55,400 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: when when you experience just overt racist him? Girl, don't 90 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: ask me, because my body physically reacted before my mind 91 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: did racism or prejudice, because that's you know it was 92 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: racism because you know that was there was a job. 93 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: You know that's stopping my growth, you know right, you're 94 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: in control of my my my future endeavors here, So 95 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: that would be racism with a cocktail of prejudice juice, right, 96 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: a cocktailer of prejudice juice. What I would say is 97 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: an an eye opening moment for me was what I 98 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: realized when I was really became aware that a system 99 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: was like in place blocking me. And you guys would 100 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: be really surprised to know when that was because it 101 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: wasn't that long ago. It was when I was purchasing 102 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: my house, and that was my first time understanding about 103 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: predatory loans, and that was my first time understanding that 104 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: black people were being specifically targeted for them. And then 105 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: when I looked at my interest rate and I just 106 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: happened to have a friend who I could compare it 107 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: to a white friend, and I found out so much 108 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: stuff that was that ended up going taking me down 109 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: a rabbit. And even to this day, I look at 110 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: this house with disdain sometimes because of that, because I 111 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 1: took it in because I know it's harder for me 112 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:27,559 Speaker 1: to keep up with it than it is for people 113 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: who live on my block. Damn, I know that for 114 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: a fact. Yeah can you refunding? And yeah I can't, 115 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,599 Speaker 1: and we have, we had two under that first procession. 116 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: But my point is that it was the first time 117 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: that I really was like honed in on. Like I 118 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: know that sounds crazy because obviously have been through the 119 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 1: school system, I've been through a lot of different systems, 120 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, But it was like that 121 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: moment where I was like, Wow, just being black and 122 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: showing up to purchase a piece of property puts me 123 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: in the line of fire and where they're gonna I'm 124 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: gonna get shut down. I can lose my house quicker, 125 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: I can be house poor quicker, all of these different things. 126 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: What happened to me, and that that kind of it 127 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: blew me away, It really did. It blew me away. 128 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: And to this day, like I said, sometimes I just 129 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: walk my neighborhood and that bitterness I still feel it 130 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: because even in my neighborhood, some of the people here 131 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: have tax abatements because of our proximity to a university, 132 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: and they wanted certain folks to come into community to 133 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: populate it. So that's when you get your tax breaks, right, 134 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,760 Speaker 1: and so I have my tax bill, but they don't. 135 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: And it's like I literally I never forget what that's 136 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: literally walking around looking at the houses like I want, 137 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: I wonder which one of your mother the housing industries, 138 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: the history of the It's funny. I know, we just 139 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: not our favorite movie, but just a glimpse was given 140 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: to me, even more so in them in a sense 141 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: of red lining and with Incompton and you know what 142 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: I mean, in the mortgage situation that they went to 143 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: not understand that they really don't own this house, like yep, 144 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: the housing situation. Has black people screwed up money? Well, 145 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 1: that is one of my favorite movies. I don't know 146 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: about everybody else, but I love them. I could probably, 147 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: I could probably, I could probably start over and watch 148 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: that ship again. Oh yeah, I mean there was an 149 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: education at the very least about that about you know, 150 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: for sure, gentrification in towns and how things change. And 151 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: it's funny. I was thinking, as y'all were talking, I 152 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: was like, well, Jill said, over racism. I literally just 153 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: went to the first time I was calling nigger. But 154 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 1: then I was like, huh when you when you started 155 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: talking Asian made me think back to education and how 156 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: I was two years ahead as a young person, like 157 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,239 Speaker 1: I started preschool early, and I skipped a grade and 158 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,599 Speaker 1: and in my private school, my private elementary school and 159 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: Neil Road and so when my mom went to go 160 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: look at other schools when I finished elementary school and 161 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: I was going to look at like high schools. I 162 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: remember this because she was she was interested, she knew 163 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: I was. I was like, maybe I want to go 164 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: to boarding school, maybe I want to go to National 165 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 1: Cathedral or something like that. And none of those schools 166 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: wanted to respect the fact that they couldn't believe that 167 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: I was smart enough to go to the grade. Like 168 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: everybody wanted to put me back, and she was like, no, 169 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 1: she's done the work. This is high school now, like 170 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: that that happened years ago. Like but because so for 171 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: that reason, that's why I took my butt to black 172 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: ass smart as Bannocker Benjamin Bannocker. My tribe was school 173 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: in the city, Hello and all. My racism over racism 174 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: was always in my early education years. Like I'm really 175 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: thinking about that. I'm thinking about the first time we 176 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: were assigned an elementary school to bring a biography. I 177 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:38,840 Speaker 1: think I told you that to bring a biography to 178 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: my elementary school class. And my white teacher got mad 179 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: because my mom gave me Malcolm X. And my mom 180 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: had to come up there and almost beat her ass 181 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:55,199 Speaker 1: to say, it's say autobiography, what's the problem girl. It's 182 00:11:55,240 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: like with your mind as a child, you know, your process, 183 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: some of these things taking this stuff along, you know, 184 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 1: along the ride with you. And this has been fascinating 185 00:12:05,440 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: to me to see the culmination of experiences that we 186 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: all have and how it makes us look at raise, 187 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 1: how it makes us talk about it. But you know, 188 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: when when you said over racism, also thought about personal 189 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: experiences to like in terms of one on one with people. 190 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: And I have to say one time that I did 191 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: get really like in my face with someone who was 192 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: overtly racist. I thought in my mind that I would 193 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: be quicker, but I felt like frozen, like because it 194 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 1: took me a second to even process, like, wait a minute, 195 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 1: hold up, you said what like you did? What went? 196 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: Hold on? Give me a second, you know what I mean? 197 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: And my heart started popatating. It was a couple of times. 198 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: The first time somebody called me nigger was at a party, 199 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 1: and the second time this isn't this this is another 200 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: time that pops out in my mind. I've had several. 201 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: This is party that popped up in my mind was 202 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: I was at an amusement part from my kids and 203 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: they were playing a game, one of those carnival games, 204 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: and the game malfunctioned, but we all who were playing 205 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: it could see that it did. And it said that 206 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: this white woman who was playing the game with my children, 207 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: it said that she won, but she did it like 208 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: we all could see that she didn't win, and she 209 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: actually tried to claim the prize from children. And I 210 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: was like and for something, that she's just a trash individual. Okay, 211 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: But then when I tried to tell the guy who 212 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: worked there that you know what happened, she basically said 213 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: I was a liar. And then when the manager came over, 214 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: she just pulled the whole woman tears thing and was 215 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: like and I And I was like, oh my god, 216 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,839 Speaker 1: like I wasn't shock. I couldn't believe it. And then 217 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: the manager, mind you, when he came over immediately without 218 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: even knowing who was who or was the story, he 219 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: immediately spoke to her, and I was just in shock. Now, 220 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 1: mind you, thirty seconds later after after we processed, after 221 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: we processed, it was a little it went it went 222 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: a little different. But my children told me later that, 223 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: you know, and I definitely set it off, but my 224 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: children actually told me later that they were upset that 225 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: I did. And I said, well why, and they were like, 226 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: I went from they were like, we went from feeling 227 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: like okay, that's mom, to that maybe we might be 228 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: in danger mm hmmm. And I thought they were like, 229 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: what if they called the police on you? And I 230 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: didn't even yeah, and I didn't even think about that. 231 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: The kids were like, well, what if they had called 232 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: the police. My son actually kind of let me have 233 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: it a little bit. He was a teenagery person at 234 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: that point in his life, and he was like, Mom, 235 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: what if they would have called the police on you? 236 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: What if the police would have shot you? In front 237 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: of my sisters and brothers? In Jesus, he was like, 238 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: over stuff toy. Also power the white woman tears, because 239 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: the weaponization of the white women tears crazy, that's crazy, 240 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: because that all that could have happened based on some tears, 241 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: all some funding tears. And I felt so upset. I 242 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: never calmed down. Mind you can that. I tell you 243 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: how they solved it. They gave they gave both of 244 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: us a stuff toy. That's how they solved it. Instead 245 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: of saying it was a malfunction. It was never resolved 246 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: in my spirit, and I still felt like ship when 247 00:15:46,960 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: I got in the car, and I just I felt violent, 248 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 1: like I wanted to turn the whole ship over. And 249 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: I think my kid really recognized that I was about 250 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: to go over the edge, and he was just like, Mom, no, no, 251 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: I just want to be clear about the difference between 252 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: prejudice and racism. Prejudice is when you have a defined 253 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: opinion about someone based on what they look like, or 254 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: their gender, or or sexuality, or or religion. And racism 255 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: is when you have the power to control what happens, 256 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: like getting a mortgage or buying a car, or what 257 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: school they can get into, or what job they can 258 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: get and those kinds of things. Yeah, I just I 259 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: just wanted to be really specific because sometimes you know, 260 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: I'll notice things. I'll notice people are prejudiced. Um, I'm here, 261 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: like I said, I'm in Tennessee, so I'll notice their prejudice. 262 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 1: And I don't know why they just don't it tickles me. 263 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: It just I don't. It shouldn't, but it does. And 264 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: I feel such any for them, like you have no idea. 265 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: You have no idea, have no clue. The kindness is 266 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 1: that I've I've been able to show and share like 267 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 1: you have no ide want to. I just want to know. 268 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: Just like always when I was in Nashville, I thought 269 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: white people was being overly nice to me. You tell 270 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: me what you just tell me, like what you experienced. 271 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 1: They're like at least once. Well, one thing that I've 272 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: discovered is that they're not friendly. It all appears friendly 273 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: because it's the South what they are is polite. Okay, 274 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: there's a difference. So it's it's what can I do 275 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:43,320 Speaker 1: for your girl? You know, it's that which tickles me 276 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 1: one because I'm I'm forty nine years old. You know, 277 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,919 Speaker 1: even when I have braids, I typically don't get baby hair. 278 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: Ain't no baby hair on my body. Ain't nothing girl 279 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: about this? Okay, so yeah, baby, so I I don't 280 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,920 Speaker 1: even you know, it tickles me that you would say 281 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: honey or deer or or but pumpkin to everybody, to 282 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: everybody else that's been around me. But when you get 283 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: to me, I'm girl, which is like, oh, you know, 284 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: so that tickles me. It just does. So I love 285 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: called a girl before. That's that's kind of ill. It's ill. 286 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: So I tune to look around and um say who me, 287 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: Oh you're so sweet. I haven't been a girl in 288 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: a very long time. Most people call me ms or ma'am. 289 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: You can go with either one of those. Honey, you know, 290 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 1: like that's what like, you have no idea, You have 291 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: no idea the terrain I've crossed to be here right here, 292 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: in this store, right now, or in this bank. Well, 293 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: you're not gonna do that. You're not gonna do that, 294 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: and I need this, and and my my goal is 295 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: to make you feel very very dumb for even trying it. 296 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,239 Speaker 1: That's what I do with with like prejudice. Um, you know, 297 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: they'll they'll I like to catch uber's, particularly late nights 298 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: because people, well the ubers, they asked me if I'm 299 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: getting off of work when they're picking me up from 300 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: my house, you know, that kind of thing that happens 301 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 1: quite often. Are you just getting off for work? What 302 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: doesn't don't look like it doesn't look like an office building? 303 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't look like my home doesn't look 304 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: like office building, so what you know, I'm not getting 305 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:36,239 Speaker 1: off for works. And the sad thing is I can 306 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: see a black person or person ask you that in Nashville. Okay, 307 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: but but I could see, I could see. But that 308 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: is that is prejudice. That is making a decision or 309 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: an assumption because I'm not dressed up or I'm you know, 310 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: in an uber. You know, so you must you must 311 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 1: be getting off of work. That must be you know 312 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: what it is. But with racism, it's it's getting that 313 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: except actionally high interest rate, you know, on a whatever. 314 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: It's it's stopping you from moving in a way that 315 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 1: you you know, you could, you know it's stopping. When 316 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: somebody call you a nigga, that's prejudice, not racism, because 317 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: they necessarily be in a position of power. Because they're 318 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: not in a position of power. That's just being prejudiced. Yeah, 319 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: you've you've made it. And also yeah, that's that's it's prejudice. 320 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: I just think also too, that people you your assumption 321 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: about people who are willing to weaponize the word nigga. 322 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 1: There you you you kind of in your mind you're like, oh, well, 323 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: you're that person if it doesn't higher, You're that person 324 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: who doesn't spend their money in certain places. You're that 325 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: person you you're taking that if you are, if you 326 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: have that kind of boldness about you to have a 327 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: personal interaction with me, then best believe you are carrying 328 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: around that energy everywhere that you that's not both this week, 329 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 1: it's so weak you can't even come up with anything clever. 330 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: So you're gonna try your best to hit below the 331 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 1: belt or what you think is below the belt, in 332 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: order to hurt me, or you think that's what that's 333 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: gonna hurt me. Don't you feel like lately I feel 334 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: like some of these videos, these viral videos that go on, 335 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: we're seeing white people acting the full certain black folks. 336 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 1: I just want to give them their flowers for their 337 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 1: discipline and they're calm. The situation that happened in New 338 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: Jersey with the brother with the ball with white dude 339 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: in the neighborhood calling him all kind of monkey, nigga 340 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: da da da da, and my man, just, I mean man, 341 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: because I didn't do that. And and I just I 342 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: just stopped the car and jumped out the car and 343 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 1: just try to put the thing. But I'm learning from 344 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: these viral videos because we must show how week they weak. 345 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: They look when they think, yeah, it's it's how weak 346 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 1: you really are to do that. But they might pick 347 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: they might catch the wrong one, you know what I mean, 348 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: Like and they and they and that's not quote on tape. 349 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: They have caught the wrong one several times. Even as 350 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 1: some of these videos, I mean, the girls Victoria's secret, 351 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: she was too did good. She did real good. God, 352 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 1: she did real good. But I think I think what 353 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,479 Speaker 1: happens that with these videos, now we are all having 354 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: like the same experience, even though we weren't the person 355 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: in the video. But I feel like we're this is 356 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: one of those times in history will look back and 357 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: think wow, as a population, we experienced this one on 358 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: one racism and ways and then affected us in similar 359 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 1: ways as if the person has said it to us. 360 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. That's too. But we're also 361 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: and I told you I feel like when I told 362 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: you all Era, like all these videos is like to 363 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: these white people and others who don't know, like we've 364 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: been telling you this is how y'all act. This ain't goings. 365 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,959 Speaker 1: See yourself, look at yourself. And we've given it names. 366 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 1: You know, Karen Air, Bigail, you know the white man 367 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: they mean Kevin Kevin. I know a lot of black Kevin. 368 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh, Chad Rusty, Rusty Rusty, that's a 369 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 1: whole He lived in a certain place. He got a 370 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: Confederate flag outside on the rusty Rusty over there. We'll 371 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: be back after the break. You guys know something too 372 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: that I've noticed, and I know, I don't know if 373 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: you guys have noticed this. And maybe a Nashville though, 374 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: because it sounds like a Nashville problem, because I see 375 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: it here in Philly. There are these pickup trucks right 376 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: and so you know, black people have all kinds of 377 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 1: racist dog whistles. Like when we see white people driving 378 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: the pickup truck, we immediately that's one flag. Then it's 379 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: like the it's the it's the it's the pickup truck. 380 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: And then there's the the flag on the pickup truck 381 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 1: that's stuck in the back of the pickle. You see 382 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: that a lot on your way to see the right, 383 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: the flagsberg. You see a lot of that. And then 384 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: this is this new thing that I noticed too, is 385 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: that these men Jake Willie, white men, like I said, 386 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: only seen white men with them. They have these little 387 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:32,920 Speaker 1: silver balls testicles, balls hanging from the back of the truck. Yes, 388 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: they hang from the back of the truck. Has Yeah, 389 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: like the truck has balls back. Yes, I have like 390 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 1: I have balls of steels. It's like, oh, I was like, 391 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: oh see is this a combo. And then my son 392 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: it's like he's my son said, this is the this 393 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: is the ice and on the cake. When they have 394 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: the white man in the pickup truck with the with 395 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: the balls and the flag right and he has those 396 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: mirror sunglasses, yeah, it's like it's a it's a uniform. 397 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: And can I say this, it makes me nervous and 398 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 1: and and I don't want to. You know, you look 399 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, you have every right because we've see what 400 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: white people can do in Philly when they get together. Baby, listen, 401 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: you know Tennessee is you don't have to have a 402 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 1: license to carry a gun. Now, yeah, you don't have 403 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: to have a license. So, um, you know, if you're 404 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: feeling uncomfortable, Jill, I don't know how you do this. 405 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: You ain't gotta have no license, you ain't gotta have 406 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: no vaccination like these white people just don't crazy. I 407 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: don't know how I'm gonna pray. I pray for you 408 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: every day. Thank you, every day, thank you, thank you. 409 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: I look, well, shoot and Philly, they just had straight 410 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: up weapons down there protecting dad go on statue Philly 411 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 1: like about the patrolling patrolling the streets, like, I'm sorry, 412 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 1: I feel like that's just as damn dangerous Pennsylvanian. They 413 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: got the same law that Florida US too. When it 414 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 1: comes to us. I'm sorry, it's the law of stranger 415 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: ground ground. So how are we responding? Now? I don't 416 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: watch the videos anymore? Is that bad? I can't do 417 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: it well? So you didn't know what I was talking 418 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: about when I said the guy in Jersey, I do 419 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 1: heard about that. I'm just saying I don't watch the 420 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: full videos. Like it's social media. You're gonna get the 421 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: story later anyway, but I don't watch. I quit watching 422 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: the videos years ago. I did not watch George Floyd understanding. Yeah, 423 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: I've never seen the full video that that was absolutely racism. 424 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: Oh girl, that's murder. Oh yeah, because because the police 425 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 1: officer who is robbing someone of their liberty and life 426 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: for something minor, some minor fracts, you know, like it's tiny, 427 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: what what what? But it's just so interest such an 428 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,439 Speaker 1: interesting time because I'm like, even with this whole tears 429 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: thing with white women saying it out loud, that it's 430 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: being weaponized and this is it's it's semi progress in 431 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: a way. I know it's feels weird to say, but 432 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: this has been happening forever, and these are things that 433 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: we weren't talking about and bringing attention to. So it 434 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: feels moud. It's weird. It feels moldy like progress because 435 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: we are able to video these things and show them themselves. 436 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,400 Speaker 1: So I think that's how we're handling the agent. That's 437 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: okay if you can't handle watching the video, because it 438 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: ain't for you, you know, what's that going on on 439 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: in these streets. But these other people who live in 440 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 1: this country and like, this is the greatest country every 441 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: Why could you have any It's no problem, just nothing. 442 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: But that's how we're I love that we're fighting back 443 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: in that way. Like it's kind of intellectual. I love no, 444 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: I like it. I like I like the idea that 445 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: we're saying, not only are we gonna video tape, but 446 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: like I said, that brother in Jersey where he was 447 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: like pull up and and black folks was like, oh, 448 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: pull up, we just did you just did? You just 449 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 1: dock your own self? No problem, pull up, no problem. 450 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 1: Let's let's let's let's roll out, and let's keep it 451 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: from that was the white people in that crowd to 452 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: that was pulling up for the same reason that the 453 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: black people having that non neighborhood. And that's the one. 454 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 1: I just really do love that about this generation that 455 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 1: they're really But I love it. Enough is enough already. 456 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 1: You can't you can't go around being homophobic and hateful. 457 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: You can't go around being you know, racist and trying 458 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: to cut somebody off at the at the knees. You 459 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: can't do list anymore. It's over, it's over. I appreciate that. Yeah, 460 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I agree with you because to an extent 461 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: is helping us to deal with that, that interpersonal racism 462 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: that everybody has a hard time like dealing like like 463 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: we have we we we will stay there. And it's 464 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: good that this is the opportunity to share light on that. 465 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: But on the on the are in things like with 466 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: what happened was George Floyd and then here recently what 467 00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: happened with the sister that um from ESPN where they 468 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: caught they caught somebody talking shit about a white girl talking. 469 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: I don't know these people's names because I don't even 470 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:19,280 Speaker 1: watch that, But how this affects people's jobs, their opportunities, 471 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: How secret conversations in those places can affect how we 472 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: move forward and how our careers move forward, conversations that 473 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 1: we don't even know are happenings. You know what I'm saying, 474 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: And that that kind of transparency and accountability is important, 475 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And we are gonna benefit, 476 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: our kids are gonna benefit from it. But you know, 477 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: I do think that there's a certain trust level we're 478 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: gonna have to have with the work that's already been done, 479 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: because I think that's one thing that we have to 480 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: realize that people have been fighting against this thing without 481 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:53,800 Speaker 1: any cameras mhm for a long time, and so they 482 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: know they know what needs to happen next that plausible 483 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 1: for just so long. You know, you know, you needed 484 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: with some other somebody else to you know, confirm or 485 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: to you know, to say, hey, that didn't happen. That's 486 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: not how I went. All you need is with somebody 487 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: around to just lie. I love how we're seeing this 488 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: on TV now. I mean, we we all heard about 489 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: those conference calls that networks were having with their employees 490 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: about having prefer change things and stuff. We all heard 491 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: about the ABC call when my man, Michael straight Haan 492 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna need me some more black producers. 493 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: So we talked about this. We talked about what's going 494 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: on with George story and everything. But let's talk about progress. 495 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: And and I'm looking on my TV and I see it. 496 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: I see I see these young reporters. I see these 497 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: young pieces, these stories that I wouldn't have seen like 498 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 1: two years ago on things and I'm like, well we 499 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: talk about that on TV to the white folks in 500 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: the morning, Like I I see some things and it 501 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: should be acknowledged. Young people that are listening to this podcast, 502 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: you gotta know that you know this. This is you've 503 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: made major strides. We all had made your stride, I mean, 504 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: and because of them. Yeah, And I'm talking about the 505 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: people that came before us like this, this has been 506 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: a journey and it's because of them, Hey, it is. 507 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: And how I would encourage people also to take this 508 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: opportunity to really get into the talks whenever you see 509 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: it online if you see somebody talking or speaking or 510 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: giving a talk who is activist as out there in 511 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: the streets and witnessing some of these things and have 512 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: been witnessing these things and organizing, because it's just really 513 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: important to really hear that point of view, that that 514 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: because they've been seeing things and interacting with police and 515 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: interacting with all of these systems and not just police, 516 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: but prisons, hospitals, child protective services, um mental health services, 517 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: all of these plays in which we can get blocked, 518 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: hurt and you know, discriminated against and held back and 519 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: harmed and even killed that to give us the right 520 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: perspective on just how bad it is, because I think 521 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: we can lose sight of that these videos that happened 522 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: in X y z amount of times, but ever for 523 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: every video, think about that, for everyone video, there's X 524 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,960 Speaker 1: amount of hundreds or thousands of people who are affected 525 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 1: by the same you know, these same behaviors, you know 526 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And that those things, those things they 527 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: don't just stop because we don't see them. They're not 528 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: things that we can just ignore. And that's why I 529 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: think it's just important to hear that because one of 530 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: the first times I went to hear a person talk 531 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: and they talked about just how much police lie. Come 532 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:58,400 Speaker 1: on as a rule, like they're just gonna lie, you 533 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 1: know what I mean. And we all remember the infamous 534 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: sprinkle some crack on them joke. Just sprinkle some craps, 535 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: just sprinkle some crack. In the first time I actually 536 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: saw a video where they sprinkled the crag like they 537 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: put they put their evidence on somebody, I was like, 538 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,560 Speaker 1: it's the sprinkle the crack joke there was that just 539 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: wasn't a trooke. It just wasn't it. Just so it's 540 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: just like oh my god. But again this is information 541 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 1: that I heard at his talk. I went to see 542 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: somebody speak, I went to listen. You know what I mean. 543 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 1: We spend our time and energy sometimes places where we 544 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: can get people's opinions, but I think we should also 545 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: be thinking about like investing some time and space and 546 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 1: people who are really doing a lot of organizing work, 547 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: because that's helped because it's like, oh, Okay, this is 548 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: what it's really really happening. And it gives us that 549 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: perspective in those states and cities where this stuff happens, 550 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: because we'll see something happened in X Y this place, USA, 551 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: but then in a series of months, we'll see people 552 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: start to write articles, or we'll hear people talk about it, 553 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: or hear testimonials from people who live there. And then 554 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: you turns out, oh, they have a history of this, 555 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 1: like what happened with Ferguson. How Ferguson really blew up 556 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: our understanding of the Midwest, how it was built, the 557 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 1: policing there, the government there, the disenfranchisement. If it wasn't 558 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 1: for the blow up and the whole world stage being there, 559 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 1: mind you people tearing ship up. But we can talk 560 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 1: about that another time. If it wasn't for the fact 561 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 1: that folks tore shipped up, we would have never known, 562 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: we would never had that federal inquiry going ferguson to 563 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: get all of that data, all that bad police and 564 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,720 Speaker 1: they were doing giving people tickets, put them in jail. 565 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 1: And yeah, girl, that these moments are linked to a 566 00:34:54,840 --> 00:35:16,359 Speaker 1: lot Michael McDonald's hometown. W We'll be right back. It's 567 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: it's exhausting. Oh, it's it's exhausting knowing how much needs 568 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: to be tackled that you can't just you know, shake it. 569 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: Just put it in the bag and put some flower 570 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,280 Speaker 1: and some seasoning on it. Just shake it, be over, 571 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and it'd be good and delicious, 572 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 1: you know. No, it's it's this ongoing battle two ensure 573 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 1: liberty and justice and freedom for ourselves and for our families, 574 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: our people. I think white folks are getting exhausted too. 575 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 1: I think a jealous too. Sometimes I think it tired, 576 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: Andy jealous. It's a lot I'm getting. I'm getting they're 577 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,800 Speaker 1: getting tired right now. They're giving tired in two ways. 578 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 1: So yeah, both ways, I think you're thinking about they're 579 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: definitely getting tired of like super racist white people right there. 580 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: Just they're getting tired of that, even if they're not 581 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 1: out there doing any super woke as work like this, right, 582 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: they're like, I'm tired the insurrection. Bastard's like, they're like, 583 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 1: they're like, we're I'm exhausted by y'all. Okay, that's not me, 584 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: that's not me. But I also think and I saw 585 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: this coming. I hope I'm wrong, but it feels like 586 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,040 Speaker 1: they're giving a little We're exhausted with being and being 587 00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: talking about racist and unpacking and all of that. They're like, 588 00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,319 Speaker 1: I'm tired. I read the books. Girl, I can't tell you. 589 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 1: How does this white woman walked up to me two 590 00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,320 Speaker 1: weeks ago at a mirror screen. I'm gonna say she 591 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: is because she close to the organization, but she was 592 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: giving me props to say, you know, stop being in 593 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: the background saying something else. And then she was like, 594 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,280 Speaker 1: you know, I love black women, and you guys so great, 595 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 1: and you just, you know, we just need to talk 596 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,799 Speaker 1: about more how great you are instead of like all 597 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: the issues and things that come with it. Girl, she 598 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: thought she was doing me a favor, okay, And I 599 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 1: was like, well, you know, you know, we just got 600 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,400 Speaker 1: safe for us to talk about our issues, right, like 601 00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,839 Speaker 1: we just we just got here and already you want 602 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,600 Speaker 1: us to just talk about the joy of black women. 603 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 1: If y'all could just get out of your head with 604 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 1: all the things you've been through. Because I'm Italian, you know, 605 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 1: we've been through some stuff too. I was like, are 606 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,600 Speaker 1: you Italian? I know you you New York Italian. Yes, 607 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: my daddy is eighty years old. He grew up around 608 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:40,839 Speaker 1: you guys, so I know how it was back there. Yes, 609 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,560 Speaker 1: for you guys. It was bad for y'all. It was 610 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: so bad for us. Girl. That's that's the new thing too. 611 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 1: You know, it was bad for us too. I feel 612 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 1: I feel like racism takes a legal action, you know, 613 00:37:49,960 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, but that and physical action, like like 614 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: not beating somebody up necessarily. But you know, this standing business, 615 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 1: the marching wasn't doing so good. But the standing outside, 616 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,320 Speaker 1: just standing it works. Just the standing in the chutel 617 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:20,319 Speaker 1: seems to be working nicely. Yeah, it depends on it 618 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 1: depends on the state, the mood and everything else. They 619 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:26,840 Speaker 1: all can work, just depends. We've got many methods. Thank God, 620 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,239 Speaker 1: I feel hopeful in this moment. I am I guess 621 00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 1: probably sending you all in the first place. I was like, 622 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,840 Speaker 1: I see, I see some progress. I'm just it's funny 623 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 1: what Agent said about them being weary of the conversation, 624 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 1: and I wonder what happens from that. That's the scary part, 625 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: because I feel I feel like some white folks like, 626 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,240 Speaker 1: all right, we gots you, we support you for George Floyd. Okay, 627 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,840 Speaker 1: we gotta buy it in. We got Trump out. Okay, 628 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 1: how long we're gonna be having this comment? Y'all got 629 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,360 Speaker 1: June team? Okay. I was scared about it. I was like, 630 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 1: this too much jun tee talk. I think that they're 631 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,919 Speaker 1: right there, man, maybe getting a little wearious. I think 632 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,280 Speaker 1: it's really interesting is that people are starting to realize 633 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: the thing that they realize when they go to therapy. 634 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 1: So many people going to therapy and they think the 635 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,480 Speaker 1: therapist has like a little magic wand they're gonna go 636 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 1: in there and talk about their problems. Therapist is gonna 637 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 1: sprinkle some therapy on their head and then walk out. 638 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: Give us a break. We just started going Agent but 639 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,879 Speaker 1: said by me too, though, So I'm saying my thing 640 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 1: is like I feel like that's what's happening with the 641 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,359 Speaker 1: conversation around race is that the racism has been so 642 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 1: bad for so long that it is so normalized. Then 643 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: now that we just started really talking about it in 644 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,280 Speaker 1: a way that's starting to crack open some of this stuff, 645 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 1: improving it, improving it on a on a on a 646 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: wide oh Man Global and Bab Williams said, I almost died. 647 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:04,719 Speaker 1: Nobody believed our was in pain. Nobody I would believe it, 648 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: Like wow, And to think how many Black women have 649 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 1: been in hospitals and just suffering, or or in emergency 650 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:17,839 Speaker 1: rooms just suffering, Like listen, what's your pain. It's a ten. Oh, 651 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,879 Speaker 1: it's a it's it's a ten. Oh, it's a tend. 652 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 1: It's at tend to you, which is probably like, you know, 653 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:31,960 Speaker 1: uh six, like or you're just exaggerated. You're paid. It's 654 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 1: not real to be a hundred for s honest, I 655 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 1: think women, Black women in particular are so trained to 656 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: downplay our pain. I immediately figure if you say a five, 657 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 1: it must be a sain Yeah, thank you, you know, 658 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: because that's just what we do. We all will downpload 659 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:50,919 Speaker 1: the ship, you know what I mean. But I feel 660 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 1: like that thing with Serena, it debunks that thing that 661 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: all of us keep being told. If you're successful, if 662 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:03,600 Speaker 1: you have, if you're strong, you're physically stronger. I mean, 663 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:07,239 Speaker 1: I'm just saying I don't know her. I never met 664 00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:14,400 Speaker 1: her physically stronger than Serena Williams Chow. Please stop it. 665 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 1: That's athletes to ever live the most. That's what are 666 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 1: you talking about? Ever, that has actually received some of 667 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:29,279 Speaker 1: the most hateful racism throughout her whole life and career. Yeah, 668 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 1: she's a brown woman. She's a brown woman, a very woman, 669 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,279 Speaker 1: sick woman who plays a very white sport. Yeah. But 670 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 1: but but racism did not stop her at her prejudice. 671 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 1: I'm certain it affected her, you know, like I know 672 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 1: how of course an effect had to. But I think so, 673 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 1: I think sometimes the effects are things that become so 674 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 1: very personal. So it's like, yeah, racism may not stop 675 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,120 Speaker 1: people from necessarily being excellent at what they do, but 676 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 1: it stopped still hurt them. Yeah, and it could have 677 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,480 Speaker 1: ended her. It could have ended her life, which then 678 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,440 Speaker 1: what you know, that's like Charles Drew, you want to 679 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: you you died and couldn't even be saved by the 680 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:28,360 Speaker 1: thing you invented, blood transfusions and died because he needed more. Seriously, 681 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 1: it's crazy because end of the day, end of the day, 682 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,000 Speaker 1: our interaction with racism is so is daily and we 683 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 1: say overt and covert, But what I've learned from this 684 00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:44,760 Speaker 1: conversation is it's all over. There isn't even no covert 685 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:50,319 Speaker 1: because it's so it's so aggressive, and it's so like 686 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,439 Speaker 1: the audacity of racism. It's just like it doesn't care 687 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:59,279 Speaker 1: what you're doing. That hurt me last week having that 688 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 1: conversation with that woman. I know that I've known this 689 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,480 Speaker 1: woman for a couple of years, and that ship kind 690 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,319 Speaker 1: of hurt because I was like, you don't even see 691 00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,640 Speaker 1: who you are in this moment. You just wanted all 692 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,240 Speaker 1: my good parts. You just want all my good parts, 693 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,280 Speaker 1: and I can't tell you about none of Okay, Okay, 694 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 1: Sometimes I do feel whiny, like if I want to 695 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:24,719 Speaker 1: talk about something that's important to me, I will question it. 696 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:30,360 Speaker 1: I will be I would My first inclination is to 697 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,919 Speaker 1: turn it back, you know, and that's people and told 698 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,239 Speaker 1: you to do that so long. Sometimes it okay, here's 699 00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,239 Speaker 1: the other side of that. All right. So let's say 700 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,759 Speaker 1: I'm in mixed company and all of a sudden, you know, 701 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:48,000 Speaker 1: we're having a picnic, okay, and the sun is shining 702 00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,440 Speaker 1: and it's butterflies and ship out. It's nice, and I'm 703 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,880 Speaker 1: in mixed company and someone wants us to bring up 704 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 1: the topic of racism, I'll be like, God, damn, can 705 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,279 Speaker 1: I catay off? You know? Yeah? I feel that can 706 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 1: I get a day off? So I'm assuming that it's 707 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,920 Speaker 1: probably the same way when you know white people with 708 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 1: the black lady. You know, here she comes, she talking that, 709 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:13,279 Speaker 1: and we gotta listen. You know that we got to 710 00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:17,960 Speaker 1: be respectful nothing, just to have a nice day, you know, 711 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,439 Speaker 1: And you're to Jill, you see that is your black 712 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,080 Speaker 1: woman privilege that you should be allowed to have a 713 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:23,440 Speaker 1: nice day. And I have talked about it, be on 714 00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 1: fill out about it, however. But it's interesting there however, 715 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: But there's a reality show conundrum about this with the 716 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:32,960 Speaker 1: Real Housewives of New York, because you know, they just 717 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,760 Speaker 1: got their first black chick, and this black woman wants 718 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 1: to make it known who she was before we started 719 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:42,200 Speaker 1: any frivolous conversations, and so they would say to her, 720 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,080 Speaker 1: you're bringing up race too much. She said, no, no no, no, no, 721 00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,440 Speaker 1: you guys don't know me. I need to establish who 722 00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,920 Speaker 1: I am right now, what's important to me, and then 723 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,640 Speaker 1: we can have these bullshit ass conversations. So and this 724 00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,640 Speaker 1: is because you're black, because you white women have never 725 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:58,080 Speaker 1: had these conversations at all. So any of the little 726 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,800 Speaker 1: bit of mine is gonna be too much for you. Lady, tie, 727 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 1: how are you already tired? I've never been able to 728 00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,359 Speaker 1: say anything any white black woman in your presence because 729 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,279 Speaker 1: you never even had one. So how are you tired? 730 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,960 Speaker 1: This is new to you, girl, And let me that's 731 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,080 Speaker 1: not even get into how it's making. Shout out to 732 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,160 Speaker 1: Ebony Kate Williams, I see you doing the work boot. 733 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,080 Speaker 1: They bring another black woman. It's the opposite. I'm sorry 734 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,600 Speaker 1: for him. That's what they did. They did. They brought 735 00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,640 Speaker 1: on another black woman who is like, well, maybe girls 736 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,680 Speaker 1: sometimes you do go a little Malcolm X listen And 737 00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,160 Speaker 1: Eboney was like, listen, I respectfully because she a lawyer. 738 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,480 Speaker 1: You know how to deliver. She's not respectfully accept how 739 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,120 Speaker 1: you feel about things. But don't tell me how to 740 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,279 Speaker 1: deliver how I feel about stuff, because this is what 741 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna beat. I'm paraphrasing, but this is what she said. 742 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:45,080 Speaker 1: You're gonna make me watch the showy money right now, 743 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,080 Speaker 1: the money right now. I'm sorry they do they do 744 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,320 Speaker 1: right now. I'm sorry I didn't do that. And you 745 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,640 Speaker 1: give us some money? Heard, your ratings are going down, 746 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,400 Speaker 1: so you know, might as well just slide us some 747 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:02,440 Speaker 1: more money over here. Y'all need some advatars. I mean, 748 00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:06,640 Speaker 1: we just gave him so that we did. But yeah, 749 00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,320 Speaker 1: I've been I feel like I have been that black person. 750 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:13,160 Speaker 1: But truth be told, honestly, I mean, I don't know. 751 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,760 Speaker 1: I don't really interact a whole whole lot with white folks. 752 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,319 Speaker 1: And it's not like a thing where it's like I 753 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:22,480 Speaker 1: decided that I'm not going to It's not really like a, oh, 754 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,239 Speaker 1: this is what I'm gonna do because my my, my 755 00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,799 Speaker 1: life has just not really gone that way. And when 756 00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:30,920 Speaker 1: you can be black in your life, like I've realized 757 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,200 Speaker 1: when my white girlfriend said to me, not Stacy, what 758 00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,480 Speaker 1: she said to me, like you you you just you 759 00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,480 Speaker 1: just made up with your whole first black dudes, you 760 00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,000 Speaker 1: data black dude, you know. But I've never even seen 761 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,920 Speaker 1: the Spike Lea movie, not that it's required, but I'm like, so, 762 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:43,520 Speaker 1: how you live a life because I haven't seen the 763 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,360 Speaker 1: breakfast clip sixteen candles, pretty impetue, like, so y'all, just 764 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:54,279 Speaker 1: y'all games, Lord of the rings, you ain't see do 765 00:46:54,400 --> 00:47:02,359 Speaker 1: the right thing? Okay, all right? Wow, yes, So you're 766 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,600 Speaker 1: gonna get all this black talk, white girlfriend because I 767 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,200 Speaker 1: know who you are and I know what you haven't seen. 768 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,280 Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes that way about when I'm talking 769 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,759 Speaker 1: about women ship with black men. Though oh it would 770 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,960 Speaker 1: be like enough enough of the woman's stuff, Like it's 771 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,440 Speaker 1: all the same. Sometimes I feel like from a certain 772 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,799 Speaker 1: age group, it always gets a little tight when when 773 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:26,440 Speaker 1: you when you bring up rape, when you bring that up, 774 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:35,720 Speaker 1: it gets tight into girl, I experience girl. I'm saying 775 00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,319 Speaker 1: too much male privile because if we get into if 776 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 1: we get into some of the overt misogyny episode on 777 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:47,960 Speaker 1: the next episode, ill how the Heather Hunter were ready 778 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,239 Speaker 1: for you whenever you're ready. But whenever you're ready, it's 779 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:57,200 Speaker 1: safe here, Yeah, safe here. Although I don't know, I 780 00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,680 Speaker 1: feel like, you know, the feeling of safety is also 781 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,880 Speaker 1: this other work stuff. I'd rather work for it than 782 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:08,360 Speaker 1: anything else. So the joy aspect and us trying to 783 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,000 Speaker 1: take those moments to say, okay, today is about sunshine 784 00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:16,520 Speaker 1: and butterfly to me has been. I love that. That's 785 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:20,359 Speaker 1: normal now, Like that's like a thing. Black joy is resistance. 786 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,200 Speaker 1: That's what we're gonna do today. We're not talking about 787 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,920 Speaker 1: that today. We're not going to address that. And I've 788 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,719 Speaker 1: tried to talk to my kids about this too, And 789 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,719 Speaker 1: I may have said this before, so y'all forgive me 790 00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:34,000 Speaker 1: if if I'm being repetitive, but I'm like, we can't 791 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,319 Speaker 1: always be reacting to these white folk all the time, 792 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:40,000 Speaker 1: like whether they're doing good or bad. Just like, just chill. 793 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,719 Speaker 1: Sometimes we just need to focus on ourselves and just 794 00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,839 Speaker 1: have a good time, because honestly, I don't see any 795 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,719 Speaker 1: other way for us to deal, you know, managing all 796 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:53,760 Speaker 1: the feelings on a consistent basis, and you can't pretend 797 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,080 Speaker 1: that they're not there, because we've tried that in the past. 798 00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,640 Speaker 1: It doesn't work. It comes back up. So it's like, 799 00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,560 Speaker 1: we know, we have to deal with feelings. We don't 800 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,360 Speaker 1: want to be stuck in the feelings. But at the 801 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,480 Speaker 1: same time, too, we don't want to always be responding 802 00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,680 Speaker 1: to the feelings kind of things. So it's a it's 803 00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,840 Speaker 1: an interesting dance being a black person, Oh god, it is, 804 00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:21,480 Speaker 1: Oh girl, no dance break can dance break. We're taking them. 805 00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:38,279 Speaker 1: We're taking them. We'll be back after the break. I'm 806 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,399 Speaker 1: gonna just shout out the whole of the neo soul 807 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:47,359 Speaker 1: movement because I really feel like like the seventies were 808 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,719 Speaker 1: a big part of of sexual freedom and and and 809 00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,360 Speaker 1: being and loose and wild and having the best times 810 00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:57,520 Speaker 1: and you know, but I I really, you know, give 811 00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,279 Speaker 1: shout out to the to the neo soul p read 812 00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:04,520 Speaker 1: because we're really talking about loving each other. They're really 813 00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:11,640 Speaker 1: talking about you know, yeah, finding finding peaceful moments and 814 00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:18,399 Speaker 1: getting far away from here, you know, just together. Yeah, 815 00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:26,320 Speaker 1: best you sweet things, sisterhood and I mean good stuff 816 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,840 Speaker 1: in hair, but I was and in India. You know, 817 00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:36,960 Speaker 1: I am not my hair, you know, Like, yes, you 818 00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:42,279 Speaker 1: know that song I love your brown Skin, Like, come on, 819 00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,600 Speaker 1: that's because like but when Bala said, sometimes I wish 820 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,239 Speaker 1: I could be like Moses round up by people about 821 00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:55,680 Speaker 1: together better. Yes, my favorite below song all times. Yeah, 822 00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,719 Speaker 1: I would love that least. That's a great lyric. That's 823 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,680 Speaker 1: a great lyric. It's another song in his that just 824 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,800 Speaker 1: gets me. I want to I want to tell you 825 00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,640 Speaker 1: what it is, so but I just gonna blank. Oh 826 00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,000 Speaker 1: and I blaed all the time. Yeah, but big up 827 00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,520 Speaker 1: the carboner. I even big up to y'all to music music, 828 00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,759 Speaker 1: don't yeah for me? For me, it really was that 829 00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:23,600 Speaker 1: whole album though, honestly, Ji, the first album, Yeah, born, 830 00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:34,879 Speaker 1: first born, second call? Will you call somebody called? Yeah, 831 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,839 Speaker 1: that's an artist that we need to talk to. Yeah, 832 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:43,040 Speaker 1: because he has not, you know, conformed in any way, 833 00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,320 Speaker 1: which is true. Yeah, but I'm starting to hear a 834 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:52,000 Speaker 1: lot of his his tutelage. Oh he has many children. Yeah, 835 00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:57,960 Speaker 1: I'm hearing his children. Oh, he has many and I 836 00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,960 Speaker 1: think that they're acknowledging that they're his children. My children. 837 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,040 Speaker 1: I don't think they acknowledge that they're my children. Your 838 00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:08,880 Speaker 1: children always acknowledge your children. First of all, George, children 839 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:13,839 Speaker 1: show up at every single open mic everywhere all the time. 840 00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,040 Speaker 1: You have chilling. Yeah, you ain't got children. You have 841 00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:24,320 Speaker 1: chilling honey, Yes, you ain't got ears. We do, okay, 842 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,719 Speaker 1: thank you. Comming to the ground. I tell you who 843 00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,320 Speaker 1: has children? Has some children? Though? Is that Brandy Norwood? 844 00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:36,759 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh so many, many, many children. Yeah. 845 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:41,080 Speaker 1: I wanted Jasmine. I think she kind of a child 846 00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,200 Speaker 1: in a way. No, she said that she was brand baby. Yeah, 847 00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,439 Speaker 1: Brandy loved her baby. She loved her baby Jasmine. Yeah, 848 00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,800 Speaker 1: she's something to love. Yes, I feel like her is 849 00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,200 Speaker 1: my baby. I don't know, I could be wrong about that, 850 00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,279 Speaker 1: but I feel like that was definitely in that room. 851 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,040 Speaker 1: I feel like you are Icia birthed her ps Alicia 852 00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:07,440 Speaker 1: and Jill. Jill are still on that song. But yeah, yes, 853 00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:13,520 Speaker 1: that was such a good feeling. That's one of those 854 00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,880 Speaker 1: nice days. Really. I mean, that's what it sounds like 855 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:19,840 Speaker 1: to me. Like when when she did it was like, 856 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,080 Speaker 1: it sounds like a nice day. It sounds like Jill 857 00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:27,320 Speaker 1: or what people think. It sounds like it's part of 858 00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:28,880 Speaker 1: it's one of the pieces of Jill. That's what I 859 00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,680 Speaker 1: meant to sially. I like that. See that's the point 860 00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,760 Speaker 1: here we go. We we switch it up just because 861 00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,839 Speaker 1: we have two people we have to we start talking 862 00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:44,000 Speaker 1: about racism and prejudice. It gets heavy, It just all 863 00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:48,720 Speaker 1: gets heavy, and then we just gotta keep looking outside, 864 00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,680 Speaker 1: looking at these trees and looking at the sky and 865 00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:55,680 Speaker 1: remembering that life is for the living, love is for 866 00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:00,120 Speaker 1: giving and the rest of that ship ship. They you 867 00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,880 Speaker 1: so much for listening to Jay got on the podcast 868 00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:33,399 Speaker 1: FISHA Hi. If you have comments on something we said 869 00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:37,799 Speaker 1: in this episode called eight six six. 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