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Speaker 2: All Right, Seaton got a poll question for me, and
Speaker 2: then we'll dive into what we saw last night with
Speaker 2: the team's kind of jockeying for playoff position. These games
Speaker 2: are meaning a lot to a lot of teams players. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you have the other end of the spectrum that the
Speaker 2: teams that are tanking. But last night what we saw
Speaker 2: with Denver, what we saw with Golden State was very impressive.
Speaker 2: What do you have for his first hour?
Speaker 3: Well, I was going to start off non sports. Actually
Speaker 3: I think we have a good poll question coming segment two.
Speaker 2: Okay, if we.
Speaker 3: Start out non sports, go with Val Kilmer his best movie? Okay,
Speaker 3: passed away yesterday. Yeah, Val Kilmer just passed away. His
Speaker 3: best movie? Would it be Tombstone? The Doors Heat? He's
Speaker 3: in another Top Gun. Yeah, he's sort of a minor
Speaker 3: character in that. He's in another movie called Kiss Kiss
Speaker 3: Bang Bang.
Speaker 2: That was really great. I think that's where he met
Speaker 2: his wife and Kiss Kiss Bang Back.
Speaker 3: I might throw real genius in there, just maybe that's
Speaker 3: the eight year old in me, but I used to
Speaker 3: love real genius.
Speaker 2: Well, he had a cameo in Top Gun. The new one,
Speaker 2: but in the original he was iceman. Yea had a
Speaker 2: big role. He was in Willow. It was a big
Speaker 2: movie when I was a kid. I remember. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Pauline.
Speaker 4: I was actually watching Tombstone last night. It's one of
Speaker 4: those movies when you're flipping you're like, oh, Tombstone, and
Speaker 4: it's one of the Tombstone is a very good Western vel.
Speaker 4: Komar takes it to the next level. He's the best
Speaker 4: thing in the movie.
Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever watched Tombstone. I know, yeah,
Speaker 2: don't think I have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, yeah, it's too bad too, because I don't
Speaker 3: know that you can now. But god, was that a
Speaker 3: good movie when it came out.
Speaker 2: Oh it doesn't hold up. I don't know if it
Speaker 2: does or not.
Speaker 3: I'm finding that almost no movies really hold up anymore,
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, I just started watching I
Speaker 3: started rewatching last night The Wire with my son. Yeah fifteen.
Speaker 3: I'm like, nah, dude, you're gonna love this whatever. And
Speaker 3: I had to give after the first episode. I was like,
Speaker 3: all right, give me two episodes. Oh no, give me
Speaker 3: two episodes. And then because he couldn't stop laughing at
Speaker 3: like some of like the way some of like the
Speaker 3: cops acted or something. You're like, oh my. He was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, this is so corny. But I'm like, nah,
Speaker 3: just you're meeting a lot of characters. Give me two
Speaker 3: more episodes and then let me know.
Speaker 2: Oh man, Breaking Bad would still hold up. I'm guessing
Speaker 2: if you haven't seen Breaking Bad, I haven't watched the Sopranos.
Speaker 2: So the Sopranos still hold up. I'm guessing I don't know. No, Okay, yeah, yeah, Paul.
Speaker 4: If you go back and rewatch some of these things,
Speaker 4: like the first three episodes of the Sopranos, it's all
Speaker 4: about the psychologist psychiatrist. It's not kind of a mafia yet,
Speaker 4: it doesn't. It's like the first couple episodes of Seinfelder're
Speaker 4: not that good yet.
Speaker 2: Yes, Todd, Lauren brock thank you, Tom. Lorraine brockos not Lauren.
Speaker 5: He prefers Lorraine.
Speaker 6: I call it Lauren.
Speaker 2: Our friends to call her Lauren, and everyone on Earth
Speaker 2: blame it on Lorraine. Okay, So I think we might
Speaker 2: have a poll question Play of the Day coming up
Speaker 2: as well. Joker went for sixty one ten and ten,
Speaker 2: and if he went sixty one nine and nine. It
Speaker 2: would still be as impressive, but we get caught up.
Speaker 2: It was a triple double and he had sixty one points.
Speaker 2: That is true. He played over fifty two minutes scoring
Speaker 2: the sixty one points in a double overtime loss to
Speaker 2: the Timberwolves. So ten and ten. So that's the third
Speaker 2: sixty point triple double in NBA history. James Harden did it,
Speaker 2: and then Luka Doncic. You go back to Luca in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, he went sixty twenty one and ten.
Speaker 1: Still of a day, stand.
Speaker 6: To day, Stanta to day, stannaa day.
Speaker 2: This is the style of the day run too by
Speaker 2: Panini America. Steph Curry made twelve three pointers. He finished
Speaker 2: with fifty two points. So he has fifteen career games
Speaker 2: of fifty or more points, tied for six most all
Speaker 2: time and tied with Dame Lillard for your second among
Speaker 2: active players. You're watching him and he makes it look simple.
Speaker 2: He makes it look easy, but so does Joker. Joker
Speaker 2: is so methodical, you could say plodding. He's a really
Speaker 2: good outside shooter, but he would get inside it and
Speaker 2: it's just old man moves. That's a little shake over here,
Speaker 2: a little you know, fake over here, move over here,
Speaker 2: a little jump book here, and he's going against the
Speaker 2: stifled tower, Rudy Gobert, and he just does what he
Speaker 2: wants to do. And same with Steph. But Steph trying
Speaker 2: to do it on the perimeter, and at one point
Speaker 2: Zach Edie is out there trying to guard him. So
Speaker 2: you had seven to four against sixty three and Steph
Speaker 2: got just enough room and then he shoots a three.
Speaker 2: It's remarkable. You know, I've watched the NBA for probably
Speaker 2: fifty five years and you just watch somebody shoot like that,
Speaker 2: and nobody has ever shot like that, no one, And
Speaker 2: he just makes it look effortless and it's not that
Speaker 2: is not easy what he does, but he finds enough space.
Speaker 2: He's really good at doing that. And Joker does too.
Speaker 2: Because you look at Joker and you go, why can't
Speaker 2: somebody stop him? He is so good with his footwork,
Speaker 2: he's so smart with the ball, and he just moves
Speaker 2: at his own pace. He brings the game to his speed.
Speaker 2: Kawhi Leonard used to do that on a regular basis.
Speaker 2: Does that you slow the game down to your pace
Speaker 2: instead of you have to speed up to what you
Speaker 2: would think an NBA game's pace would be and it's remarkable.
Speaker 2: But to watch Steph, I don't know if he'll ever
Speaker 2: be reduced to a role player like his father was.
Speaker 2: You know, his dad was a great shooter, but he
Speaker 2: wasn't a guy who was going to beat off the dribble.
Speaker 2: He'd usually be in the corner, you know, shooting. But
Speaker 2: I don't know if because Steph isn't going to play
Speaker 2: any place else, I don't think this is He's going
Speaker 2: to retire as a Golden State Warrior. But can he
Speaker 2: be the third option? You know, let's say three years
Speaker 2: down the road, is he still able to be Steph
Speaker 2: Curry two years down the road? Can they bring in
Speaker 2: somebody who would be the number one option on that
Speaker 2: team because Jimmy Butler is not going to be there
Speaker 2: long haul, long term. They do have some younger players,
Speaker 2: but I haven't seen anybody take that next step up.
Speaker 2: And then Denver did this without Jabal Murray. It was
Speaker 2: Joker that was it. Here is Anthony Edwards who was
Speaker 2: dynamic as well. Last night, the Timberwolve scarred talking about
Speaker 2: Yo Kich's performance.
Speaker 6: I might have been the best name in my life.
Speaker 5: I bet I've been a part of koos bro.
Speaker 7: Oh my god, he might be the best basketball player
Speaker 7: I've ever seen, like Closa, besides to my like, besides myself,
Speaker 7: to myself.
Speaker 6: Bruh, he's incredible, bress. The MVP race is tough.
Speaker 8: Now, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah sixty, Yeah, that is funny. He's the best basketball
Speaker 2: player except for me. But Anthony Edwards was wonderful again
Speaker 2: last night. But these are games, you know, they're meaningful.
Speaker 2: With Golden State jockeying for position, Denver jockeying for position.
Speaker 2: This is when you watch a game and you truly
Speaker 2: get to watch a game and enjoy a game. You're
Speaker 2: seeing great players play games that really mean something. And
Speaker 2: Joker's playing almost fifty three minutes last night, and he's
Speaker 2: the focal point every time down the floor that wears
Speaker 2: you out. Same with Steph. It's like, all right, go
Speaker 2: out there and get him. Gonna load up, Steph, You're
Speaker 2: on your own tonight, all right? Eight seven seven three
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Speaker 2: DP show the NFL Owners meetings. I got a confession
Speaker 2: to make because I know it's going to happen I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go to like a Christmas party and I'll be
Speaker 2: the sports expert and somebody will say, hey, game's going
Speaker 2: into overtime. What are the overtime rules in the NFL?
Speaker 2: And I'm going to go, I think, oh, I think
Speaker 2: both teams get the ball. But I think that, well,
Speaker 2: this is regular season? Is regular season overtime? The same
Speaker 2: as Posty, I might pull a Jim Beayheim. Oh hold on,
Speaker 2: my wife's calling me. Yeah, like I can't keep track
Speaker 2: of it. They just keep tweaking and tweaking and tweaking,
Speaker 2: and then you're going, I don't know, but looks like
Speaker 2: tweaking over time. How they spot the ball, the chain
Speaker 2: gang or they keeping the chain gang? What's their role
Speaker 2: in the game. They're going to be able to review
Speaker 2: if you get hit somebody out of bounds, they're going
Speaker 2: to be able to review roughing the quarterback. There's a
Speaker 2: lot that was being unpacked at the owner's meetings. Then
Speaker 2: you had the tush push and then they're going to
Speaker 2: table that. And all that means to me is, see,
Speaker 2: this isn't like the movie what is it, Twelve Angry Men,
Speaker 2: where they have to stay in and come up with
Speaker 2: a verdict, and I think I was back in the
Speaker 2: sixties or something, But why don't they just say we're
Speaker 2: going to stay in here until we come up with
Speaker 2: a vote. But if I'm the Eagles and Jeffrey Lorie
Speaker 2: the owner, and I go, wait a minute, we're all here.
Speaker 2: Why are we tabling this? Because tabling means we don't
Speaker 2: have enough support yet. But let's wait till May and
Speaker 2: then I'm going to work behind the scene. If I'm
Speaker 2: the commissioner or are reading the commissioner, it'd be hey,
Speaker 2: I don't have all the votes. Let's just table this now.
Speaker 2: They tabled other things to be fair to this rule,
Speaker 2: but that feels like we want to get rid of
Speaker 2: the tush push. Let's table this. And if I'm the
Speaker 2: Eagles and I'm Jeffrey Lorie, I just say, Commissioner, what
Speaker 2: are we waiting for. Everybody can vote right now. Let's
Speaker 2: take a vote. And I don't know if you can
Speaker 2: do that. I don't know if you want to embarrass
Speaker 2: the commissioner. But this is a rule that's directed at
Speaker 2: the Eagles. That's it. We're all here, let's all vote,
Speaker 2: and then let's see if we keep this. Because I
Speaker 2: think if they voted yesterday, they probably didn't have the
Speaker 2: necessary votes to put an end to the tush push
Speaker 2: because they needed twenty four vot yes, balling.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good point. The Eagles kind of have
Speaker 4: to know about this play as they plan their team
Speaker 4: going forward. It changes the structure of their offense. They
Speaker 4: should demand it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm surprised because it felt like the momentum was there,
Speaker 2: but I just got the feeling that the commissioner didn't
Speaker 2: get what he wanted. Here is Roger Goodell yesterday.
Speaker 7: There's a lot of discussion about going back to the
Speaker 7: previous rule, back to pre two thousand and four. The
Speaker 7: reality of it is, I think that makes a lot
Speaker 7: of sense in many ways because I get expands it
Speaker 7: beyond just that single play. There are a lot of
Speaker 7: plays where you see someone pulling or pushing somebody that
Speaker 7: are not in the tush push formation that I think
Speaker 7: do have an increased risk of injury. And so I
Speaker 7: think the committee will look at that and come back
Speaker 7: in May with some proposals.
Speaker 2: And you know what that proposal will be.
Speaker 9: See.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, they used to call this that you
Speaker 2: couldn't push somebody from behind. I don't know, you know
Speaker 2: what genius goes, you know what, we should let them
Speaker 2: push from behind.
Speaker 6: And now the.
Speaker 2: Commissioner, I guess, can go back and say, you know what,
Speaker 2: on second thought, we're going to change. We're going to
Speaker 2: go back to the original rule now. Chase Daniel of
Speaker 2: the Athletic he has a podcast called Scoop City, former quarterback.
Speaker 2: He said that he spoke to a doctor who believes
Speaker 2: there is zero data that says the tush push creates
Speaker 2: added health and safety concerns for NFL players. Yes, I
Speaker 2: said that yesterday. My source said there's no data. They
Speaker 2: want data, but they don't have anything. And that's what
Speaker 2: you know. Maybe the Commissioner's trying to find new ways
Speaker 2: to get more information just to say to these other owners,
Speaker 2: but I don't know who's gonna Can you get twenty
Speaker 2: four to vote against this?
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Speaker 2: He's Mark Sanchez, by the way, in second place in
Speaker 2: our March Madness Bracket challenge, behind Johnny Bench he's ahead
Speaker 2: of Jim Parsons, Joey Votto, and Brady Quinn. Mark Joints
Speaker 2: is on the program. Do you know what happened at
Speaker 2: the NFL owners meetings?
Speaker 6: That's a very good question. I've heard soundbites from different outlets,
Speaker 6: but I've also been knee deep and some brand new
Speaker 6: children here. So I told Fritzy last night that wasn't
Speaker 6: well abreast of everything in the NFL these last weeks
Speaker 6: or so. But listen, you know they always get together
Speaker 6: to discuss these kind of rules and what are we
Speaker 6: going to change last year the kickoff now the kickoffs
Speaker 6: changing a little bit more, you know. Regardless, it always
Speaker 6: seems that and I never really he had an issue
Speaker 6: with this as an offensive player, but the hashes are
Speaker 6: narrower for a reason. You know, you want the offense
Speaker 6: in the middle of the field. You want high scoring games,
Speaker 6: you want exciting plays. When something becomes a competitive advantage
Speaker 6: or a detriment to players health where you know, I
Speaker 6: still haven't found any data for that either. I haven't
Speaker 6: done a deep dive on the toush push, but it
Speaker 6: doesn't seem like players are getting carted off the field
Speaker 6: on a regular basis because of the play. So I
Speaker 6: don't know what you do with that. I do know
Speaker 6: it is nearly impossible, and I don't hear many many
Speaker 6: people talking about this. It's nearly impossible to officiate. I mean,
Speaker 6: where's the line of scrimmage? You know you saw I
Speaker 6: think it was Frankie Louvu in the NFC Championship game
Speaker 6: just doing the old school Troy Paula Maalo just jump
Speaker 6: over the line of scrimmage like he looked like, who
Speaker 6: is the WWF guy, Jimmy Superfly Snookut, remember that guy
Speaker 6: jumping off the top rope and he was It's like,
Speaker 6: screw it, they're going to score anyway. I'm going. I'm
Speaker 6: just going, and I'm going to try and time the
Speaker 6: snap and jump over the pile and see what happens.
Speaker 6: And at one point it basically said like if you
Speaker 6: do it again, we're automatically giving them six points. So
Speaker 6: I mean that right there told me it's gonna be
Speaker 6: an issue at the NFL owners meetings. I don't know
Speaker 6: what you do about it.
Speaker 2: So okay, but if I put this to a player's vote,
Speaker 2: not an owner's vote, what do you think the how
Speaker 2: do you think the players would vote on keeping it
Speaker 2: or getting rid of it.
Speaker 6: I think you got four teams, like Nick Sirianni said,
Speaker 6: that was one of my favorite sound bites, is we
Speaker 6: have four teams that should be voting to keep this
Speaker 6: play in because that got three other coaches jobs Kellen Moore,
Speaker 6: stich In and Rich can Er and Jonathan Gannon. So
Speaker 6: he's like, those guys were all a part of it. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it got us all first downs, It kept that Gannon's
Speaker 6: defense off the field, that got Kellen Moore the job
Speaker 6: in Nola. So I got four votes right there, and
Speaker 6: I don't disagree with them. I think I think you know,
Speaker 6: he's spot on with that one.
Speaker 2: When you see cam Ward, do you see enough that
Speaker 2: separates him from the other quarterbacking candidates? And if so,
Speaker 2: what is that?
Speaker 6: I see an X factor? I see that potential. And
Speaker 6: there's always a guy, you know, every couple of years
Speaker 6: in the draft where you where you see this extended
Speaker 6: playmaking ability, you see something that just wows you, and
Speaker 6: it's there. He has it. Now it's about can you
Speaker 6: manage this thing? Can you you know, can can we
Speaker 6: teach this guy and mold this guy and trust our
Speaker 6: coaches that we have to get him to go fifteen
Speaker 6: play drives, multiple third down conversions, taking easy checkdowns, and
Speaker 6: then when it's time to go on the phone booth,
Speaker 6: throw on the Superman cape and come back out and
Speaker 6: go be cam Ward and make the crazy falling away,
Speaker 6: you know, sidearm whatever into traffic between two defenders, throw
Speaker 6: on fourth down to win the game. Great, then go
Speaker 6: ahead and do it, but it can't be every single play,
Speaker 6: and that's not how the NFL is. You know, guys
Speaker 6: get away with more and more, guys like Jayden Daniels
Speaker 6: have a little more wiggle room then you know, maybe
Speaker 6: certain other players and the game is shifting towards that.
Speaker 6: You know, I think Mahomes really exploded that and expedited
Speaker 6: that process, I guess, and was a catalyst for those
Speaker 6: kind of off schedule plays. But you also have to
Speaker 6: remember he got a ton of pub for that after
Speaker 6: watching one of the most consistent quarterbacks in Alex Smith
Speaker 6: go through a West Coast system the right way and
Speaker 6: play it by the book. Operate the offense, put the
Speaker 6: ball in play, protect the football, get completions, stack your completions,
Speaker 6: and you know, never go broke. Taking a profit however
Speaker 6: you want to say it. Whatever hits the kid's brain
Speaker 6: to make them operate the right way. If somebody can
Speaker 6: get them to do that, you got to have a
Speaker 6: lot of trust in your quarterback coach and your offensive
Speaker 6: coordinator and somebody who's gonna be there forever. He's not
Speaker 6: going to be able to do this with five different
Speaker 6: coordinators in five years. Yeah, that's not It's got to
Speaker 6: be a long term plan, hopefully somewhere that has a
Speaker 6: great veteran for him to watch. But I mean, the
Speaker 6: kid has some electrifying plays, and you know, those are
Speaker 6: the kind of players that just and I've said it
Speaker 6: on the show before that God, I wish I could
Speaker 6: roll out of bed and do something like that. Man,
Speaker 6: And it's all like I was a bad player. I
Speaker 6: was pretty damn good. But you're just like, dude, I
Speaker 6: could have never done that, And so it's you envy
Speaker 6: guys like that there, they're special talent.
Speaker 2: Tim Hasselback, who played the position now NFL analysts for
Speaker 2: The Mothership, did a player con for Shdor Sanders and
Speaker 2: he said he could see Kirk Cousins or Andy Dalton.
Speaker 2: Is that a compliment to Door Sanders?
Speaker 6: I would say it's it basically goes back to what
Speaker 6: I was talking about, who can operate the offense. I mean,
Speaker 6: those guys have had playoff appearances. Those guys you know
Speaker 6: have have I believe, won their division at least once.
Speaker 6: You know it's it's It truly is a compliment. I
Speaker 6: don't think I don't think it should be viewed another way.
Speaker 6: It's those guys can operate an offense. They can get
Speaker 6: you down the field, they get the ball to the playmakers,
Speaker 6: and they're the ultimate old school you know, point guard
Speaker 6: that that plays defense, distributes the ball, has the high
Speaker 6: shorts and slaps the floor when he plays defense. You
Speaker 6: know what I mean. That's those are those guys and
Speaker 6: that there's there's nothing wrong with that. That's just a
Speaker 6: different style. And as long as you're winning game, nobody cares.
Speaker 6: If you operate the offense. Well, you're scoring your thirty
Speaker 6: plus points a game, nobody cares how you do it.
Speaker 6: It's more fun, sure to watch the guy that runs
Speaker 6: all over the place and it looks more like a
Speaker 6: add in football game. That's great, but that's also really
Speaker 6: hard to continue to play like that. And from an
Speaker 6: offensive coordinator's perspective, when you get up to the line
Speaker 6: of scrimmage, they got a pretty good idea of where
Speaker 6: this ball is gonna go. There's nothing more frustrating for
Speaker 6: an offensive coordinator then get up to line the scrimmage
Speaker 6: and going, oh God, I don't know what this guy's
Speaker 6: gonna do with the ball. That's like way too much
Speaker 6: stress for a coach to go in and out of
Speaker 6: every game every drive, like, oh, boy, does he understand
Speaker 6: what we're doing here? Like that guy's got to know
Speaker 6: and he's got to know that.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: So I think those are compliments and I don't mind
Speaker 6: that camp. I think I think Houseback does a good
Speaker 6: job breaking stuff down.
Speaker 2: He's Mark Sanchez, Fox Analyst. It's so, oh, your brats,
Speaker 2: we're gonna get.
Speaker 6: Oh, here we go, Oh your bracket. Finally, I'm I'm
Speaker 6: doing well.
Speaker 2: Sure you would show me baby pictures of the twins
Speaker 2: as opposed to your brackets.
Speaker 6: I got listen, Perry Mattfeld Now, Sanchez, my wife is
Speaker 6: an absolute superstar of a mom twin girls. We got
Speaker 6: the weights in uh seven, two and five twelve for twins.
Speaker 6: That's pretty big. And we knew she had this kind
Speaker 6: of potential when we were scouting her in the draft
Speaker 6: eight years ago, and she has far surpassed her draft
Speaker 6: round status. Okay, but we knew with the right coaching
Speaker 6: and the right system that she would develop from a
Speaker 6: special teams type player making impact plays on special teams
Speaker 6: to now being a perennial All Pro and this is
Speaker 6: going to be her first All Pro year as a mom.
Speaker 6: I am thoroughly impressed. And it's been pretty cool. Man.
Speaker 6: I'll send Fritzy some picture.
Speaker 2: How about a round of applause for Yeah, You're never
Speaker 2: more proud of your wife than in that moment, right.
Speaker 6: Amen to that. I was blown away a multiple times.
Speaker 6: I just wanted to be like, I am so sorry.
Speaker 6: This is my fault.
Speaker 2: Yes it is.
Speaker 6: It takes two to tango, but I am sorry.
Speaker 2: But you led with your brackets though. So that's that's
Speaker 2: not good.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 2: Your wife, I hope, is not going to be made
Speaker 2: aware of this that you led with your brackets, not
Speaker 2: your big Oh no.
Speaker 6: She's also on a peacock show by the way, right now,
Speaker 6: Long Bright River with Amanda Safreed. Okay, so she's in
Speaker 6: that show. It's been it's it's gotten some pretty decent reviews,
Speaker 6: and I obviously enjoy it, but I'm biased.
Speaker 2: So see, got a little plug in there for that's good.
Speaker 2: You did your job. You did your job, and congratulate
Speaker 2: your bracket and the twin. Yeah, and the twins in
Speaker 2: that order.
Speaker 6: I'm my son, by the way, who you've met.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: He wanted to name them fish and chips, and so
Speaker 6: I was like, no, we went with Francesca and Samantha. Okay,
Speaker 6: Frankie and Sammy, fran Cake and Samburger, so okay. And
Speaker 6: in Spanish it's really good. It's awesome. I love that one.
Speaker 2: Are they going to be bilingual?
Speaker 6: I hope so their dad is yeah, I'm their dad.
Speaker 5: Oh you're the dad.
Speaker 2: My bad, dang, my bad thought of his liner? Oh wow, wow,
Speaker 2: where where did did I say?
Speaker 6: What I was thinking?
Speaker 2: Fritzy too far, too far, too far far. I apologize that.
Speaker 6: Guys.
Speaker 2: Wow, Now I'm rooting for you in the bracket challenge.
Speaker 2: Now now if I feel bad, now I.
Speaker 6: Got it simple good. You should know bad should go bad.
Speaker 2: Uh, congrats on the babies though.
Speaker 6: Appreciate you, Ma, and I got some new gear. So
Speaker 6: remember Nick Foles and pad O'Donnell pat o'donald the punter yea.
Speaker 6: I was with them with the Bears, and then Foles
Speaker 6: and I were together with the Eagles. But he gave me.
Speaker 6: He sent me a bunch of dad season gear and
Speaker 6: he's got like a hat line and clothing line, and
Speaker 6: so it was pretty cool. She got a lot of
Speaker 6: baby gifts, which she deserves as the mom going through everything.
Speaker 6: But I got a couple of things that's nice. I
Speaker 6: was like, hey, that's kind of cool.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Mark. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 6: Dolls would be good, We'll talk to that's Mark Sanchez.
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Speaker 2: I go to Mike Florio in a time of need.
Speaker 2: There are times when we have a question, Toddle send
Speaker 2: it to Mike Florio. He usually responds something that could
Speaker 2: be of a legal issue, Mike being a lawyer, and
Speaker 2: now I come to Mike Florio in a time of need.
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly what happened at the owner's meetings.
Speaker 2: I'm still trying to understand. Over time, I'm trying to
Speaker 2: understand the on side kick, why the tush push was tabled. So, Mike,
Speaker 2: where do you want to start to enlighten me and
Speaker 2: hopefully our audience when you.
Speaker 5: Come to me in a time of need? Dan, is
Speaker 5: there any type of a bat signal involved that I'm
Speaker 5: not aware of?
Speaker 8: Or is it just Fritzy? Is it just texting me?
Speaker 8: That's the bat's signal? It's the fritz signal?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Now could the Eagles have demanded a vote
Speaker 2: yesterday with the tush push?
Speaker 5: Well, no, that's not how it works.
Speaker 8: When the wind is blowing against a proposal passing, it
Speaker 8: tends to get tabled because if you put it up
Speaker 8: for a vote, you're going to get numbers that fall
Speaker 8: short of the requisite twenty four to change the rules.
Speaker 8: And ESPN dot COM's Camin Kayler reported that sixteen teams
Speaker 8: in favor of the Packers proposal, which means sixteen aren't.
Speaker 8: But the proposal itself from the Packers was very flawed,
Speaker 8: and I don't know whether they introduced a bad proposal
Speaker 8: just to get the conversation started. But the idea of
Speaker 8: banning the immediate pushing of the quarterback after he gets
Speaker 8: the snap, that opens a can of worms for officiating
Speaker 8: and consistency and replay review and tinfoil hat conspiracies. They
Speaker 8: threw the flag on that one when it wasn't really
Speaker 8: immediate and the fixes in. So I'm glad they're stepping
Speaker 8: back from that and they're really getting to the heart
Speaker 8: of this. The heart of this is do we want
Speaker 8: to get rid of the maneuver altogether of a player
Speaker 8: who has the ball being pushed from behind. The rule
Speaker 8: used to be you couldn't do it. They changed the
Speaker 8: rule because they were never enforcing it, and that was
Speaker 8: more down the field, guys running for the first down.
Speaker 8: Here comes jimbo Kervert chugging along and shoving it for
Speaker 8: the first down. It was never incorporated into the actual play.
Speaker 8: The Eagles realized sixteen years after they allowed this. The
Speaker 8: Eagles realize, we can weaponize this.
Speaker 5: That's the issue. Are we going to reset the clock
Speaker 5: to when you couldn't pull or push the player with
Speaker 5: the ball?
Speaker 8: And if they want to get rid of this, Dan,
Speaker 8: that's the easiest and best way to do it. Reset
Speaker 8: the clock to two thousand and four and say no
Speaker 8: more pushing, and then Eagles will just run a quarterbacks
Speaker 8: and you can They'll still kick everybody's ass and they'll
Speaker 8: have to come up is an other way to explain
Speaker 8: why the Eagles are superior to everyone when it comes
Speaker 8: to these short yardage plays.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. That's why I said you can
Speaker 2: get rid of the tush push. The Eagles are still
Speaker 2: going to be dominating with that offensive line and with
Speaker 2: that quarterback in this position. But it feels like they
Speaker 2: table this because the NFL is not getting the results
Speaker 2: they want, which isn't fair to the Eagles. If you said,
Speaker 2: let's vote right now, why can't they ask for a
Speaker 2: vote right now? So what if it doesn't pass? That's
Speaker 2: what that's the opinion right now.
Speaker 5: It's a great point, and let's play it out.
Speaker 8: If the Eagles had said, we dem and a vote
Speaker 8: today on the Packers' proposal, Okay, it goes down sixteen sixteen,
Speaker 8: not enough to pass, they could still reformulate a new
Speaker 8: proposal for May.
Speaker 5: Which is what they're doing. I think a lot of
Speaker 5: this is just pr based.
Speaker 2: And they're gonna get rid of this, aren't they.
Speaker 5: Well, this is what bothers me.
Speaker 8: I feel like, and it reminds me a lot of
Speaker 8: what happened when the Patriots were successful. The Patriots always cheat,
Speaker 8: that's what all the other teams would say. Because when
Speaker 8: the owners are asking the coaches and gms that they've
Speaker 8: hired and paid a lot of money to, why can't
Speaker 8: you beat the Patriots, the easy thing to say is
Speaker 8: they cheat. So now we've found something the Eagles do
Speaker 8: that helps explain their dominance, and we're saying it's.
Speaker 5: Not football, it doesn't look like football, it's not safe.
Speaker 8: Well, where's the injury to at or we don't have any,
Speaker 8: but we might have some at some point, so let's
Speaker 8: get rid of it now because it might not be safe.
Speaker 5: At some point in the future.
Speaker 8: And what I don't like about it is I feel
Speaker 8: like there's a lot of moving of the goalposts, and
Speaker 8: I almost feel like our political discourse has crept into football,
Speaker 8: where you have people making these transparently obvious, self interested
Speaker 8: arguments that are bull crap. I almost said the other word,
Speaker 8: and I remembered your FCC regulated, so I corrected myself.
Speaker 5: But they're making these.
Speaker 8: Arguments all because the Egles have cracked the code, and
Speaker 8: everybody else is standing there looking at the safe and
Speaker 8: they don't even know how to begin to spin the dial.
Speaker 5: And that's it feels like to me. That's what's going
Speaker 5: on here. Let's just call it what it is.
Speaker 8: The Eagles are kicking everybody's butt, and so let's just
Speaker 8: take away the best club that they have in the bag.
Speaker 2: Mike Florio Pro Football Talk Live, co host with Chris Sims,
Speaker 2: the show that precedes Hours on Peacock. All right, let's
Speaker 2: recap replay, on sidekick, any other rule changes. I'll let
Speaker 2: you start with whatever's top on your list.
Speaker 8: Well, the on side kick continues to be a dead play,
Speaker 8: and they've tabled until May the question of whether they'll
Speaker 8: allow the team that's trailing to try an on sidekick
Speaker 8: at any point before the fourth quarter. And it was
Speaker 8: relevant in the Super Bowl because as the Chiefs were
Speaker 8: driving down thirty four to nothing, I said to Michael
Speaker 8: David Smith and Sharen Williams in the press box at
Speaker 8: the Superdome, Hey, they might want to wait until the
Speaker 8: fourth quarter to score because if they score in the
Speaker 8: third quarter, they can't do an on side kick. And
Speaker 8: it's kind of a dumb, arbitrary limitation on the opportunity
Speaker 8: to retain possession.
Speaker 5: But all that said, the on side kick currently is worthless.
Speaker 5: It's meaningless.
Speaker 8: I like the idea of a fourth and long play
Speaker 8: as a way to give the team that's trailing the
Speaker 8: opportunity to keep possession.
Speaker 5: But for now they've done nothing with it.
Speaker 8: All they've done is they've changed the touchback point from
Speaker 8: the thirty to the thirty five, which will spark more returns.
Speaker 8: And it's funny, Dan, I've had people point out to me,
Speaker 8: we're so concerned about the safety of the tush push,
Speaker 8: which has been around for three years, and there's.
Speaker 5: No evidence it's not safe.
Speaker 8: Meanwhile, we're gonna have a dramatic increase in these kickoff
Speaker 8: returns with this new formation, where even though you don't
Speaker 8: have the catastrophic injury potential with two guys going full
Speaker 8: speed coming at each other thirty yards apart, you still
Speaker 8: get guys ear hold in short yardage and kickers blown up.
Speaker 8: And that's not even a conversation. It's just a weird
Speaker 8: dichotomy right now.
Speaker 2: Well, and then they're going to be pushing for an
Speaker 2: eighteen game season, so you can't sit here and it's
Speaker 2: about players safe pushing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's just a matter of when it's happening.
Speaker 5: It's just a matter of when.
Speaker 2: Okay, But this is the last real chip for the
Speaker 2: Players Association when you think about what can we get now?
Speaker 2: Can we ask for three more roster spots? Could we
Speaker 2: get an offensive Can we get a third string quarterback?
Speaker 2: Can we get somebody on offense, somebody on defense? Or
Speaker 2: whatever you know you're going to ask for. But this
Speaker 2: feels like last call for the Players Association to be
Speaker 2: able to go. We'll give you that eighteenth game. What
Speaker 2: do you think the players are going to win well?
Speaker 2: And here's what it ultimately boils down to.
Speaker 8: Will the NFL wait until the current CBA expires in
Speaker 8: March of twenty thirty one, Lock the players out until
Speaker 8: they cry uncle on an eighteenth game, and then get
Speaker 8: whatever deal the NFL has put on the table, because
Speaker 8: we know what will happen. The players are never going
Speaker 8: to take.
Speaker 5: The nuclear option. The owners will so to get to
Speaker 5: eighteen before twenty thirty one. What will the union want
Speaker 5: and what can the union get?
Speaker 8: And a year ago, Lloyd Howe, the fairly new NFLPA
Speaker 8: executive director, was interviewed by I believe the Washington Post
Speaker 8: possibly The Athletic and when he was asked about eighteen games,
Speaker 8: he said.
Speaker 5: Who doesn't want more football?
Speaker 8: And it was a horrible negotiating posture. He has since backtracked.
Speaker 8: I don't know if you could put that toothpaste back
Speaker 8: into two. But in February Dan he adopted a more
Speaker 8: no way in hell posture, which is what you need
Speaker 8: to start from in order to get the best possible
Speaker 8: deal for the player.
Speaker 5: If it's gonna happen. And I think the year to
Speaker 5: watch is twenty twenty nine, that's when.
Speaker 8: And really it's after twenty nine when the CBA, not
Speaker 8: the CBA expires, but the TV deals.
Speaker 5: Are up for grabs. But you know they could do it.
Speaker 5: They could do it whenever they want.
Speaker 8: The union in the league could come to an agreement
Speaker 8: on eighteen games today if they wanted to.
Speaker 5: The question is what can the players get?
Speaker 8: And you're right, more roster spots, maybe a little larger
Speaker 8: piece of the pie.
Speaker 5: Just basically anything else you want.
Speaker 8: If the league wants to get to eighteen, now ask
Speaker 8: for everything. How I've even suggested in the past, somewhat jokingly,
Speaker 8: go ahead and offer twenty games because we know we're
Speaker 8: gonna get to twenty games one of these days. Twenty
Speaker 8: games and no preseason games, and ask for everything. Now,
Speaker 8: let's go ahead lets you want to get nuts, Let's
Speaker 8: get nuts. Let's do twenty. And here's the list of everything.
Speaker 5: We'd want to go to.
Speaker 2: Twenty overtime regular season overtime postseason. Are they aligned?
Speaker 6: Not?
Speaker 8: Now?
Speaker 5: No, no, not the way that I think it could
Speaker 5: have been.
Speaker 8: Look, I don't like the idea of a fifteen minute
Speaker 8: overtime in the regular season, because what if you're playing
Speaker 8: a Thursday after you play a Sunday, and you go
Speaker 8: fifteen minutes of overtime on Sunday, and then you got
Speaker 8: to turn around on Thursday and potentially go fifteen minutes
Speaker 8: of overtime then too. But by doing only ten minutes
Speaker 8: and guaranteeing a possession for each team, we're going to
Speaker 8: get into a situation where the team that receives the
Speaker 8: kick potentially is going to chew up what yeah, nine
Speaker 8: minutes on a touchdown drive. And Chris Simms made a
Speaker 8: great point today. You get around the thirty five of
Speaker 8: the other team and that defense might say, well, maybe
Speaker 8: we're gonna let him score a touchdown here because we
Speaker 8: want to have a fair crack to answer the touchdown
Speaker 8: instead of having them take the rest of the time
Speaker 8: off the clock and we're in a two minute offense
Speaker 8: to try to match this touchdown. I think that they
Speaker 8: made a mistake by not going back to fifteen minutes,
Speaker 8: because you want to have both teams to have a
Speaker 8: fair shot at a possession in that overtime period. And
Speaker 8: I think if that's the case, you'll see most teams,
Speaker 8: if they win the toss, choose to kick, and then
Speaker 8: if the team that receives gets a touchdown, you'll see
Speaker 8: an opportunity to try to score and go for two
Speaker 8: and end it there with ten minutes. I don't think
Speaker 8: it's as obvious that the right choice is to kick
Speaker 8: if you win the toss.
Speaker 2: More reviewable plays with replay.
Speaker 5: I like it, but I don't like what they've done.
Speaker 5: I don't like this.
Speaker 8: Discrepancy between will use replay assist to determine whether or
Speaker 8: not to pick up a flag that was thrown that
Speaker 8: shouldn't have been flown, for example, horse collar tackle. They
Speaker 8: throw the flag, they look at it, clear and obvious
Speaker 8: evidence there was no horse collar tackle. You pick up
Speaker 8: the flag, but face mask Sam Darnold getting the lend
Speaker 8: of Blair treatment from the Exorcist on that Thursday night
Speaker 8: against the Rams, the referee didn't see it, the umpire
Speaker 8: didn't see it, and we got the explanation, well, you
Speaker 8: know they're down there, they can't see everything. Okay, fine,
Speaker 8: but replay sees it. We all see it all, but
Speaker 8: we're not going to put a flag on the field.
Speaker 8: That to me doesn't solve the problem. There's still this
Speaker 8: donut hole in the gap between what the official see
Speaker 8: on the field and what we see at home, and
Speaker 8: the excuse like we don't want to officiate the game
Speaker 8: from the booth. They're already doing that, we don't want
Speaker 8: to put where it's a non starter to put a
Speaker 8: flag down. You've had for years the ability to use
Speaker 8: replay to put a flag down for twelve men on
Speaker 8: the field.
Speaker 5: So I don't like it. I think it's a half measure.
Speaker 8: I think it's going to cause more problems, and hopefully
Speaker 8: next year they'll realize we need to go ahead and
Speaker 8: use it for you know, if there is or isn't
Speaker 8: or was or wasn't for just a narrow handful of
Speaker 8: plays where we can all see that the foul did
Speaker 8: or didn't happen.
Speaker 2: I think one of the more exciting plays, even though
Speaker 2: it's not a play, but it's a moment. Are we
Speaker 2: going to lose the chain gang coming out to measure
Speaker 2: for a first down? I love that, but is modern
Speaker 2: technology going to keep those guys on the sidelines?
Speaker 8: Well, you know, Dan, that's the reason why they kept
Speaker 8: doing it for over one hundred years. Think back to
Speaker 8: when football was first invented. How do we determine whether
Speaker 8: or not the team with the ball got ten yards?
Speaker 8: I know, let's get two sticks and ten yards of
Speaker 8: chain link and we'll use that to determine it.
Speaker 5: And it does create a moment of drama.
Speaker 8: When the big orange stick gets pulled and maybe Gene's
Speaker 8: terrator has to pull a card out of his pocket
Speaker 8: and bend over and did it really get there? And
Speaker 8: sometimes you'll see and you see a lot of high
Speaker 8: school games where that orange stick, you know which way
Speaker 8: the wind is blowing a little bit here, and it's
Speaker 8: a first down.
Speaker 5: But this is where the stakes of the game nowadays,
Speaker 5: especially with legalized gambling.
Speaker 8: If they cry out for a full embrasive technology, let's
Speaker 8: get everything right that we can get right, and let's
Speaker 8: set aside the things that have been in place for
Speaker 8: one hundred years. There are better ways to do it
Speaker 8: and You're right, that moment is going to be gone now,
Speaker 8: well except when the Hawkeye system ends up being down
Speaker 8: and they have to use the chains. But I think
Speaker 8: there's such an imperative now for the league to try
Speaker 8: to get everything right.
Speaker 5: With so much money bet legally on our.
Speaker 8: Phones coast to coast on the outcomes of these games,
Speaker 8: they have to get these calls right.
Speaker 2: I don't spend a lot of time on the Cowboys,
Speaker 2: but when I do, it's usually about Jerry Jones and
Speaker 2: trying to understand a man who you know, took a
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty million dollar investment and made it
Speaker 2: worth ten billion dollars, but trying to understand how he
Speaker 2: negotiates that he likes to see a little bit more. Well,
Speaker 2: every time he's wanted to see a little bit more,
Speaker 2: he spends a whole lot more. He did it with
Speaker 2: dak Ceedee Lamb, and now he's saying apparently he's got
Speaker 2: to see a little bit more with Micah Parsons before
Speaker 2: he ponies up the biggest contract to anybody other than quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: So what is there a method to the madness here
Speaker 2: that Jerry Jones is doing something that we're not seeing
Speaker 2: The genius behind it.
Speaker 8: I think Jerry Jones is the prime example of how
Speaker 8: certain skills that allowed you to make the money that
Speaker 8: enabled you to purchase an NFL team are not transferable
Speaker 8: to how to be as successful as you can be
Speaker 8: when you own the NFL team. This is a guy
Speaker 8: who has done great business deals, and he has capitalized
Speaker 8: on his leverage, and he knows how to twist arms
Speaker 8: the right way and schmooth someone at the right moment
Speaker 8: to get them to agree to a deal that maybe
Speaker 8: isn't in their best interest, but it's definitely in his
Speaker 8: best interest in his oil leases and all of his
Speaker 8: other billions.
Speaker 5: That have come from that world. Doesn't work here. They
Speaker 5: drag their feet with all of these key players.
Speaker 8: They have paid the wrong guys at times, they have
Speaker 8: failed to pay the right guys. They wait too long.
Speaker 8: They have gotten themselves painted into a corner with Dak
Speaker 8: Prescott twice, the Michael Parson contract.
Speaker 5: If you really want to do it, you could do
Speaker 5: it in an hour.
Speaker 8: Max Crosby and the Raiders did a new deal literally
Speaker 8: in two or three hours. And you don't need to
Speaker 8: have a ticking clock like Jerry wants to wait for
Speaker 8: a clock that is ticking toward midnight to do his deals.
Speaker 8: The problem is you get a player who stays away
Speaker 8: from the offseason program, stays away from training camp, isn't
Speaker 8: there until right before the start of the season, and
Speaker 8: then all of a sudden, he's not the same guy.
Speaker 8: It's a bad way of doing business. They've burned themselves
Speaker 8: multiple times in the past. They're stubborn about it, and
Speaker 8: they're dragging their feet on Michael Parsons and now Dan
Speaker 8: he's trying to negotiate directly with Parsons and cut out
Speaker 8: his agent, which is a CBA violation, and he's open
Speaker 8: about it. It's ludicrous and it's a bad way of
Speaker 8: doing business. If you're a Cowboys fan, any Cowboys fans listening,
Speaker 8: you should demand better from the guy who is the
Speaker 8: steward of your favorite team, because this is one of
Speaker 8: the reasons why it's been thirty years since they've played
Speaker 8: in the NFC Championship.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's too late for that. It's when his son
Speaker 2: takes over that you asked for something, then we'll.
Speaker 5: Think it's gonna get any better.
Speaker 8: He's learned from Jerry, and he's not taking the wheel
Speaker 8: from Jerry and doing things differently. I mean, look, let's
Speaker 8: face it, and I want to be respectful of this situation,
Speaker 8: but there is a point where Jerry is no longer
Speaker 8: going to have his fastball. That's when Steven's got to
Speaker 8: step up. And we've maybe seen some evidence the past
Speaker 8: few years to say, hey Steven, it's time for you
Speaker 8: to take over and get things done a different way.
Speaker 2: Thank you Mike, thank you Dan, thank you franch answering
Speaker 2: the call.
Speaker 5: I need time.
Speaker 2: I feel smarter,