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Speaker 1: I don't care. It's not more football, it's bad foot.

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Speaker 1: All right. We must say that Nate Hackett got fired

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Speaker 1: we'll get into that sometimes. Yeah, No, it's about dreaming

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Speaker 1: about Geno's peace unit. Remember Johnson. A lot of coaches

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Speaker 1: will teach the players to actually high five and not

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Speaker 1: like that, but the point of doing it. We're running mesh, guys.

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Speaker 1: The point of the high five. This is a guy

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Speaker 1: thinking about Mac. You know, why don't you guys talk

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Speaker 1: whatever you know. No, no, like I'm snarky, he's flat

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Speaker 1: out me. Sounds like their vacuuming outside. What's going on

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Speaker 1: for the mass of the Patriots on the field. He's

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Speaker 1: Patriot's unfiltered, fueled by all Right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 1: It's Wednesday here at Gillette Stadium, getting ready for the

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Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins, and uh two remains in concussion. Oh he's out,

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Speaker 1: Oh he is, Yeah, McDaniel announced the Okay, he did

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Speaker 1: have a concussion. Okay, had a concussion. He has a concussion,

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Speaker 1: and so he's Teddy Bridgewater will start, Teddy two gloves.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait a minute, could you just said he's out

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Speaker 1: of protocol. No, he's out, he's out. Teddy Bridgewater will start. Okay,

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Speaker 1: because I was confused, Daniel. I just saw that he

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Speaker 1: No McDaniel said he has a concussion, and Teddy Bridgewater

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Speaker 1: So this is their jam though, I mean, no quarterback,

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Speaker 1: let's go. I would expect the Dolphins to lose by

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Speaker 1: the stupidity of actually saying it on Wednesday. I don't

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Speaker 1: they're gonna just prepare for Teddy Bridgewater and we're gonna

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Speaker 1: be completely ready for them, correct, right, that's why we're

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Speaker 1: out in the field. It moved out to the field today.

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Speaker 1: Kind of interesting practice. Yeah, in the stadium, practice in

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Speaker 1: the bowl. Um. Any thoughts on that, No, I have

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Speaker 1: not not one. No, No, I'll let you guys fight it.

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Speaker 1: Usually it's a Friday thing you get close to the

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Speaker 1: supposed to Yeah, you can put Jesus out of it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and there when you can say, like oh, the Minnesota

424
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Speaker 1: game or um, the Cleveland game, like that's a sign

425
00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,000
Speaker 1: that your offense hasn't been good when you like cherry

426
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Speaker 1: pick the games that it was good, you know, maybe

427
00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,199
Speaker 1: the biggest indictment of all is like you said, like

428
00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,119
Speaker 1: the other day, they start the game with six punts.

429
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,080
Speaker 1: Did anybody say, oh my god, I can't believe what

430
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:20,040
Speaker 1: I'm watching. Right, No, that's them. No, you know, it's

431
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,680
Speaker 1: more like here we go again, right, bring in zappy.

432
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:25,920
Speaker 1: I mean the zappy chance started on the second series

433
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,879
Speaker 1: of the game in the crowd, right. I mean, I

434
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,159
Speaker 1: would almost just say that the game's really it just

435
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Speaker 1: matters if the defense makes a key play to get

436
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,440
Speaker 1: a turnover at the right time. The difference between winning

437
00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,240
Speaker 1: and losing is generally how if the defense can can

438
00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,560
Speaker 1: score or set up a score. Yeah, and the unfortunate

439
00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:44,280
Speaker 1: part of the last couple of games is they have

440
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 1: scored and they still lost. Like that's like I agree

441
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,320
Speaker 1: with Mike, I don't. It's not inconsistent. Like it's just

442
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,359
Speaker 1: if they if they go out and they just all

443
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,359
Speaker 1: of a sudden put up four hundred and fifty yards

444
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 1: and thirty four points on Sunday, that would be to

445
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,800
Speaker 1: me breaking out of the norm. Yeah, like they haven't

446
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 1: done that, right, but still it's all right there for

447
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:10,640
Speaker 1: the taking, which is just us. And yeah, I mean

448
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 1: it's I don't I'm not going to get ahead of

449
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,960
Speaker 1: myself with with this game, but you know, Buffalo, it

450
00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 1: is what I guess the question really is is what

451
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,680
Speaker 1: what's Buffalo going to end up having to play for it?

452
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,919
Speaker 1: And it seems like they will have something to play for.

453
00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 1: It almost has to be a meaningful game for Buffalo,

454
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,439
Speaker 1: you knows, I know, people are you know pointed to

455
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 1: the scenario that Buffalo could lose and then playoffs host

456
00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,120
Speaker 1: US in the first round of the playoffs, and that

457
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,440
Speaker 1: might be what they want. But I know I don't

458
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 1: think Buffalo wants to be the team that lost to

459
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 1: allow the Patriots into the playoffs. You know, I think

460
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 1: they want to be the team that not says I

461
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 1: would I would do that if I were Buffalo, if

462
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,359
Speaker 1: I wasn't playing for a buye, I would rather have

463
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:53,960
Speaker 1: a bye and have a zero percent chance of losing

464
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 1: in the first week, as opposed to picking my opponent

465
00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 1: and having a point one percent chance of losing, Like

466
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 1: I can lose, something can happen, and I can lose

467
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,399
Speaker 1: to the team that I decided i'd rather play instead

468
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 1: of having a bye. There's no way they're going to

469
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 1: dump the game if they can get a bye. And

470
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 1: the only way that they will not have a chance

471
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 1: is if Kansas City loses to Denver, because then they'll

472
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 1: have it sewed up, so then they'll have to buy

473
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 1: sewed up, if you know, if assuming they win, right,

474
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 1: but Kansas City has to lose to Denver, that's the

475
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 1: content that like that has to happen. Is it in

476
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,960
Speaker 1: Kansas City? Yeah, And they don't even have Nate Hacket anymore,

477
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 1: so oh that could be a plus. So I just

478
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 1: I think Buffalo is going to have to play the game.

479
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna have that to fall back

480
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 1: on now. I could definitely see, like I'm not in

481
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 1: agreement with Fred, if it was just regular and there

482
00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,879
Speaker 1: were no buys, just like what the Patriots did that

483
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 1: year when they dumped the game against Miami so they

484
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: could play Jacksonville. I could definitely see them doing that.

485
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what team they'd pick, but they would

486
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,440
Speaker 1: figure out the machinations of which one, and they would

487
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: rather play absolutely. But they're not gonna say I'd rather

488
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: play the Patriots in Wildcot weekend than be off in

489
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 1: Wildcot weekend, didn't have a buy. They're not gonna No

490
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 1: team would do that, No, no, no, All right. Five

491
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: five hundred is the A ticket hotline web radio at

492
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,640
Speaker 1: Patriots dot com is the email address. Uh, Brian from

493
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 1: Indiana's on the line. What's up, Brian? Hey? Are we

494
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: doing good? Hey? I just had a question. Um. I

495
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 1: know that Bill O'Brien has been in conversation a lot

496
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Speaker 1: about becoming the next NOC for next year possibly, and

497
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,600
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of stuff, um, just from like

498
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,160
Speaker 1: Alabama fans on Twitter and stuff like that about them

499
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,399
Speaker 1: not really loving Bill O'Brien as an OC. Do we

500
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: really want to bring somebody likes Bill O'Brien just because

501
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: he might be better than Patricia and I think he's

502
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 1: an excellent offensive coordinator? Yes, I would. I would take

503
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: him in a heartbeat. And do we think it's a

504
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,160
Speaker 1: good idea? Of Alabama fans are up in arms because

505
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 1: they scored forty nine points and lost rice bill O'Brien's fault. Right,

506
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: they lost fifty two to forty nine to Tennessee. Do

507
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 1: we really need another hothead in that locker room? Yes? Yes,

508
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 1: they need someone to push back. Yes, I think that's

509
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 1: exactly what they need. And don't we pay Bill Belichick

510
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: enough money to push back? Well, but I'm talking about

511
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: the offensive coaches. He can't be, you know, dealing with

512
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 1: absolutely everybody like the offensive coaches. I think it's been

513
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,199
Speaker 1: a one way street. It's been pushed back from the

514
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: players to the coaches. I think they need a little

515
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: bit more the other way and say all right, yeah,

516
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: I get it, this is what we're doing, let's do it,

517
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: let's let's be better, let's execute, and maybe even push

518
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: back to Bill. Yeah, yeah, sure, absolutely, Yeah. Since the

519
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 1: bar solo right now. I mean, what experienced NFL offensive

520
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: coordinator wouldn't you take it at this point? Now if

521
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: a guy is as a heartbeat and coach to ye,

522
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: to Briant's point, if you if you have like a

523
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,239
Speaker 1: young up and coming offensive mind that you're aware of, Um,

524
00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: I think I might rather have that than Bill O'Brien.

525
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 1: But I know Bill O'Brien, I know we worked here,

526
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: I know he like what he does works, So yeah,

527
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 1: I think that's uh, I don't know what what better

528
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 1: than that you're going to expect. That's what's frustrating for me, though,

529
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: is that it's it's become so insular here and and

530
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 1: like I just I can't we see a Bill Belichick

531
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: taking a young offensive coach that maybe didn't grow up

532
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 1: here but has interesting ideas and using Bill Belichick's knowledge

533
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 1: to kind of merge with that person's new perspective and

534
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: you know, to produce something fresh rather than well, we

535
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 1: had this guy here was ten years ago, and he

536
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: knows the system, So you'd rather have, you know, Like

537
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 1: what I'd rather have is what you said. I think

538
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 1: what what Bill would rather have is and that's and

539
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: that's what's frustrating is that. I just I wonder if

540
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: it would be better for Bill Belichick the coach, if

541
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,719
Speaker 1: you know, if he had more of those, you know,

542
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: And and I don't want to say that he's like

543
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 1: actively pushing those kind of perspectives away, although perhaps he is.

544
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: I just think like, if you're going to get to

545
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: a new, interesting place, it's just hard to do it

546
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: when you keep recycling the Josh McDaniels and then Bill

547
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 1: O'Brien and then you know, chat O'Shea could maybe you know,

548
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: it's the same kind of guys, Whereas get a whole new,

549
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: fresh perspective, somebody who sees the game totally different, and

550
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, maybe you make some magic

551
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: by having a totally new perspective. Whereas it is, if

552
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 1: Phil O'Brian comes here, we're probably just gonna what kind

553
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: of merged this year's offense whatever it is, with what

554
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:21,680
Speaker 1: they used to do and come up with some kind

555
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: of maybe you're able to do what we kind of

556
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 1: thought they were going to do and have the Patriot

557
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,720
Speaker 1: system with some Alabama elements to it. You know, who knows.

558
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: But I agree with Mike's rant. I like Mike's idea better.

559
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 1: But I don't think that's going to happen. I think

560
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien will be pressure. You know, like it just

561
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: feels stale and you know, you'd love to get some.

562
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I kind of equate it to when when

563
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 1: Floras took over, and I mean not that it's the

564
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: same thing, but just how jarring it was to all

565
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 1: of a sudden see kind of a completely different philosophy

566
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: on defense in terms of aggression and sending you know,

567
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: zero blizzes. You think Matt Patricia sentity. I mean, maybe

568
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, somebody can tell me maybe, but spat As

569
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 1: sending zero blitz It's like, I don't never remember that

570
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: being like a big part of their game plan. It

571
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: was no they rushed three and sometimes four and they

572
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: just sit back and wait. That was kind of the philosophy.

573
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: And then all of sudden, Florest gets here and it's

574
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,360
Speaker 1: Jamie Collins and down to high tower coming from all

575
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: angles and you know, and that was a big part

576
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,239
Speaker 1: of why they won. That last Super Bowl felt like

577
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 1: one of the ones where they were actively went out

578
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: and took it rather than you know, waiting to see

579
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: how it goes and then you know, relying on Brady

580
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 1: to pull it out of the end. Melvin's and Tennessee, Hey, Malvina,

581
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 1: what's going on? Hey? Hey? Um? Quick thing about really

582
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 1: just the coaching sample. I know you are talked a

583
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: little bit briefly yesterday about how dry I was possibly

584
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: getting ready to leave out along with all the other

585
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 1: changes that come from the players stuff like that. I

586
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: would help the other and everybody else associated with it

587
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: to figure out some type of way to keep do

588
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 1: something to keep more of these coaches around. I know

589
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: it's even when you're coaching, you do well, they know

590
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 1: I'm going to coach, and you probably have others, you know,

591
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: goals and things you want to do. But when one

592
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: person leaves and you know, he takes staff with them,

593
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: life with Josh and stuff that it's just hard to

594
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: convey your message and keep your message going the right

595
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: way when all these changes and stuff that are going around.

596
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,120
Speaker 1: So I think that's a point to it. Obviously, it's

597
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly a way to really tix that

598
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: are but I wonder if feels and stuff for like,

599
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: I don't know how he's going to invest as much

600
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: as life, well, I don't want to do a certain

601
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: amount of stuff because this person might leave or I

602
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: don't know if this person's gonna be with it for

603
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: a while. And why am I going to teach and

604
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: develop and to other stuff with these people that's going

605
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: to leave me. I'll be stuck doing the same thing

606
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: with somebody else. I think we've come to it. I

607
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: hear what you say. It can't have It can't hurt

608
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: to have a lack of continuity on your coaching staff. However,

609
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: I got a feeling that maybe, with the exception of Mayo,

610
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: you know, those days might be behind us because a

611
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: lot of that stem from winning. You know. The other

612
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: teams wanted guys who came from a winning culture, you know,

613
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: and knew what it took to win. I want those

614
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: guys on my staff, or guys leaving like McDaniels and

615
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: taking guys with them. We might be we might have

616
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: turned the corner there where like now we're not the

617
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: team with that you know, high price problem that we

618
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 1: used to be. You know, like I don't know if

619
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: anyone's clamoring for Covington or you know, cam Accord, you know, yeah, yeah,

620
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: I mean I would, uh, I mean Mayo clearly, I

621
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: think he might be one that. Yeah, and if he goes, like,

622
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: does he take anybody with him? I don't know, And

623
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: I'm biased for Pellegrino, but I just think he's done

624
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: a really good job coaching up defensive backs consistently, you know,

625
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: since he's been here. That was one of my biggest concerns.

626
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: And but every team has good coaches. Yeah, you know,

627
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: but I think you're right, And I mean, nobody's coming

628
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: to say we gotta go get we gotta go poach

629
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: mapat Shirt Joe Judge right now or cam Acorps really

630
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: and those are those are the big, you know big

631
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: I think you could lose Kaylee too. On the other side,

632
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: but the I mean, it's not necessarily good that our

633
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: coaches aren't well, yeah, that's the that's the other that's

634
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: the flip side of it is that. And I think

635
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: there's a lot of teams that especially like the coordinators,

636
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: the hot shot coordinators. You know, other staffs lose their

637
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: coordinators every year and then they figure out what they're

638
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: gonna do. Like Buffalo just lost Brian Dable and they

639
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: had a guy ready in Ken Dorsey and it's kind

640
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: of the same offense. I mean, look at Kyle Shanahan,

641
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: he's been I mean he's been. Shanahan has done it

642
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,479
Speaker 1: more than anybody, right, you know, with all those different

643
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: branches off of that trip and McDaniel and I mean,

644
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: everybody's been getting pulled from him and he, you know,

645
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: continues to do it. Yeah. One last thing I'm gonna

646
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: say about it, just weird for Bill because he always

647
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: had a plan ready, even with the players when the

648
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: otherman was getting ready. Clearly we're gone his last leg. Yeah,

649
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: I had people ready when the passing backs are getting old. Yeah,

650
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: you always had somebody ready. So there's a bigger thing

651
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: of getting somebody ready. What happened to that? Well with

652
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: the coaching, the losses were so fast it was tough. Yeah.

653
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: I do think it's been a little bit out of

654
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: the ordinary, like with Flores in McDaniels both taking chunks

655
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: with them, right, and what that was nineteen and then

656
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: twenty one, So that's twice in three years, right, because

657
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: Flores left after the eighteen season, right, So in nineteen

658
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: and then after the twenty one season you had top

659
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: flight assistants leaving and taking significant pieces of the rest

660
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: of the staff. We bring this up all the time.

661
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: Mike and I talk about this all the time, Like

662
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: a guy like jet Fish very well could have been

663
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: one of those guys that they said, well, we know

664
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna lose Josh at some point, and then they

665
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: ended up losing jet Fish when he got a head

666
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: coaching job at Arizona. So sometimes you do have a

667
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: plan and it just doesn't work. It doesn't think you

668
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: got you gotta mentioned the retirements too as part of it.

669
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: I mean, those are but that's something you should that's

670
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: something you should have been prepared. You knew Iman was

671
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: going to be going, Dante was going to be going,

672
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: and don't they already retired once. Yeah, I mean they

673
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: have a small staff as it is, and I mean

674
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: I just I have trouble being like, well, you don't

675
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: want to promote guys, you don't want to really really

676
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: really am I wrong? Nor they just don't give guys titles.

677
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: And they have the same amount of the number of

678
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: and you're allowed to have as many as you want,

679
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: So it's not an excuse if you have a small statuff.

680
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: I know, but they choose to have a small staff.

681
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: But I would say they were net negative last year

682
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: in terms of coaches that they lost in coaches that

683
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: they brought in. It didn't really like they didn't really

684
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: hire anybody. They lost a lot. I mean, they didn't

685
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: hire a wide receivers coach, they didn't hire an offensive

686
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: coordinator they did, you know, So I just you're not

687
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: really prepared. I don't think that you can build a

688
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: team by saying, well, I don't want anybody to leave,

689
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: like you want to develop good coaches who in turn

690
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 1: coach a team well and then you win, and then

691
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: that's what happens. I mean, it's just part of it.

692
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: You can't say, well, we want to just be a

693
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: middling team, so no one takes our coaches like so,

694
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 1: I I just think it comes with you've got to

695
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: restock the cupboards. And I don't think that they restock

696
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: the cupboards last year with young coaching. I think they

697
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: have to do it this year. Yeah, thanks Melvin. You know,

698
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: and you got to ask the question and we don't

699
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: know the answer, like why aren't you know, coaches so

700
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,239
Speaker 1: willing to go with Josh, to go with Flores? You know,

701
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: is it a money thing? You know, it's probably a

702
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: variety of it. You know, it's not necessarily upward mobility.

703
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: It's a lateral move in some cases, but I'm going

704
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: to be making more money. Well, I think it's it's

705
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: it's upward mobility too. I think if you're Micke Lombardi

706
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: and Bill and Bill Belichick told you're gonna be the

707
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator and now you have a decision to make,

708
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 1: yeah right, my guess is you didn't ask him that, right, Yeah? Yeah.

709
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: And I think that that feeds into it was kind

710
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: of the start of it with with not having a

711
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,239
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator and now not having an offensive coordinator. So

712
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: the staff in general has just become kind of this

713
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: nebulous team, we're going to do it together kind of thing.

714
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: And I mean, I totally get why guys would be

715
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: like you, I want I want to go somewhere where

716
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: I know where I stand, I know where I'm headed,

717
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 1: and you know, for better or worse, at least, I'm not,

718
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: you know, part of this like group think effort that

719
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: you know, I get all the blame and none of

720
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: the credit. Really, And just to be clear, I'm not

721
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 1: suggesting that I would have given the offensive coordinator job

722
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: to Micke Lombardi. I'm just using as an example. Sometimes

723
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: guys leave, you know, like, was there any clamor of

724
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: like chat O'shay becoming an offensive coordinator when he was

725
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: with the Patriots. Not really, No, then he left and

726
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: he became an offensive coordinate, so it is upward for that. Yeah.

727
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: As as in addition to what again, another thing we

728
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: don't know for sure money, Yeah, we don't know that

729
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: for certain. But in the past, you know, Brad Seeley

730
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: for example, he wanted more money and they wouldn't give

731
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: it to him, and he left. Yeah, you know, uh

732
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: but interesting out of shape like he got he got

733
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: rid of him right after one year, and then they

734
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: brought back like chan Gailey right like with like that.

735
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: They brought chan Gailey in the year of Fitzpatrick, so

736
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: that was nineteen. They brought him in specifically for for

737
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 1: for that with oh shit, and then they changed. Part

738
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: of that is Floor is like that, like yeah, I

739
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: know Flores is like you know, the like they should

740
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: bring in Flores because he'll change everything. He'll fix out.

741
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: I don't think Flores had a tremendously successful tenure as

742
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: the Dolphins head coach. I think he did a good job.

743
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,280
Speaker 1: I think they played hard. I think he couldn't figure

744
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: out offense and couldn't figure out how he wanted to

745
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: run the offense, and that hurt them. And certainly the

746
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: way he treated Tour hurt the offense, like not not

747
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: embracing him in any way, shape or form. Yeah. Um so, yeah,

748
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: I think that Flores is a good football coach. But

749
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 1: I just don't think that, you know, you hire him

750
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: and that solves all your problems. We're especially biased because

751
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: and I and I really like but I really like Flores, Yeah,

752
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: I mean I do. I just don't think that he

753
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: was a great head coach. Well he did a good

754
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: job was going on there with the owner in meddling,

755
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: and well the owner wasn't telling him to change offensive

756
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: coordinators every five minutes. No, but you just you just

757
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: wonder like if he didn't want Tour, you know, like

758
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, it just seems like there

759
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: was a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes

760
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: in Miami. Yeah, And that's why I think, like a

761
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: lot of other people in Miami will probably have the

762
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: better perspective, and I think they echo a lot of

763
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: what Paul saying that it was It was not as

764
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: it was more dysfunctional than it even might have appeared.

765
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: But the you know, why was it you know him

766
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: or was it comvocation issues? I mean I think some

767
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: people found him, you know, that didn't like how we

768
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: communicated me. That was something part of it. Yeah, William

769
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:28,479
Speaker 1: and Fellam, what's up? William? What's going on? Fred? Paul

770
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: and Mike? Hey, Hey, how are you'all doing? Um? Just

771
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: two things and I'm actuely Paul. First, Um the T

772
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: Higgins thing that you were saying with T Higgins? And

773
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: um was the other guy, Um, Jerry Judy. I loved that.

774
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: I loved that. Ye throw DeAndre Hopkins in there too.

775
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: Everybody's everybody's you know, assuming he's going to be available too,

776
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: So throw throw them all in the mix. I'll take

777
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: I'll take any of those guys. Um, you know, Hopkins

778
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: is the best of those three, probably, but I would

779
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: rather have Higgins because of age right now. I think

780
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: he's a guy that you could really build around size too,

781
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: as we saw last week. I mean it's he's a

782
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 1: really good player, and I think that he has done

783
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: enough when Chase has been out of the lineup for

784
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: me to think he can produce even when the coverage

785
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: just rolled to him. Yeah. You know, some of those

786
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: guys are great second banders, and then you you pay

787
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: him like a number one guy and they come in

788
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, you never faced the double team before.

789
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: But I think he has. I think he's yeah, I

790
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 1: think he's been the man. Okay, Um, my last question

791
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: is this, and I just need you all three to

792
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: be honest with me your faith. Do you do you

793
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 1: want change? Paul, Mike and Freeth. I mean I'm being

794
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: I want you to just be honest with me, like

795
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: we were just sitting around the table, of course, and

796
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: we just haven't you know, man a man? Do you

797
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: want change for this team? Yeah? And do you think

798
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: you're gonna get that change from the greatest coach of

799
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: all time? I mean, I want you to be honest.

800
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: I have to think so, I have to think so.

801
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: I mean, this is below the pail of acceptability, of

802
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: acceptability for anybody I would but absolutely, I mean, I

803
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to watch another year of this offense

804
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: like this. I mean, it's it's terrible NFL offense, not

805
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 1: normal offense. And that's Fred. Yeah, and you've been saying

806
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: that for about eight weeks right now. I think I

807
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: think I keep going back to like builds a smart guy.

808
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 1: He's not. He knows more. He forgot more about football

809
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 1: than we'll ever know. And if we if everybody sees it,

810
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: I mean everybody, even me, who I'm a Max supporter.

811
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: I was in on having two former head coaches come

812
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: in and be you know, sub coaches, and that that

813
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: could work. So I'm on record saying that, and now

814
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 1: I'm saying I see it. I see it. I can't

815
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: believe he doesn't. I can't believe he doesn't. You know,

816
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: the owner does. And if he wants, if he wants

817
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: to stay here, he's gonna have to make changes. He's

818
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: going to have to. You know, I'll keep my I'll

819
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: keep my fingers cross, right, Yeah, okay, all right, Thanks William,

820
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: Thanks William, keep the faith. Patty's an agawam. What's up?

821
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 1: Patty up? Guys? Hey Freddy, I was with you too

822
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: prior to the season. I was like, I was skeptical,

823
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: but I was like, let's take a wait and see approach,

824
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe they maybe they figure it out

825
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:23,479
Speaker 1: and they get stronger as the season goes. But each

826
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: subsequent week week it looks like Mo Howard is coordinating

827
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: in this offense, you know, and so yeah, yeah, yeah, um.

828
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: But I did have a question relative to the coaching side,

829
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: with the struggles that we've seen on special teams the

830
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: last few years, if they do make like sweeping coaching changes,

831
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: do you think that there's a chance that a chord

832
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: is gone and they put Joe Judge back in the

833
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: spense as a special teams coordinator. I do. I think

834
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: there's a chance of that. Yeah, but I could see

835
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: a chord going somewhere, like within the coach He'll stay

836
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 1: here and go to another position. Yeah, yeah, I see Joe.

837
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: I could see that, and I'll throw another white receiver

838
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: name that I would. I mean, I don't think it's

839
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: going to happen. I think the chances of it happening

840
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: is in contesmo. But I would love to see them

841
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: just mortgage mortgage the future for DeVante Smith. Get back

842
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 1: that to me. That's Max thinky. I mean, if there

843
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 1: ever was, if there ever would be a thinky for him,

844
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: I mean, that would be the guy, you know, kidnap

845
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: them from Philadelphia. Yeah, that's all I got, guys, all right,

846
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: Thanks Patty, And I know, like I know, Patty prefaced

847
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: that by saying it's infante but like arguably the best

848
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: team in football, which is gonna like deal off their

849
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: most significant pieces while they're on the rookie contracts, right, Like,

850
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: I think it's less than infantessible. I just I, you know,

851
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: I was thinking too, is like I really wonder what

852
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 1: it's going to be like this offseason because we're talking

853
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: I think, you know aptly about receivers to target those things.

854
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: I just I just wonder how much of a check

855
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: book and freedom Belichick will have this year depending on

856
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: how the conversation with Craft goes, because you know, I

857
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 1: think we're all a little like, well, what if he's like, no,

858
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: it'll be fine, you know, and that this bill go

859
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: you know, does Roberts say, well, then we'll see how

860
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 1: much money you're actually gonna let you play with? Like

861
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: you know, what, do you know how much money are

862
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: you gonna need to play with to get this team

863
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: back to where it needs to be? Oh, you mean

864
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: free agents, you know, like coaching staff, because I think

865
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, like they opened up the purse strings.

866
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: It was I gotta got my money on a team

867
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: that I don't write. Are you gonna spend go spend

868
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: this much money again to get what like maybe like

869
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: maybe you get back to the seventh Sea. I mean,

870
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: if they don't make the play, like like that's what

871
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: you got to spend millions of dollars to get back

872
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: to Robert Kraft? What would Bill have to show you

873
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: to convince you that they should stick with the coaching

874
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: staff as it is? Geez, I don't I don't know

875
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: if I could. I don't know. I don't know if

876
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 1: I have any answer for that. Yeah, And I mean

877
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: it's like I guess, I guess proof that it was

878
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 1: the players not buy buying in and not the coaching right,

879
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: I would need that, I guess. But then it's you,

880
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: we gotta go get new players. But why didn't you

881
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: coach him up? You know, why didn't you get him

882
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: to buy in? Isn't that part of your job is

883
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: to get these players to buy in? Isn't that part

884
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: of it? You know? I mean, I agree, let's talk,

885
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: let's do this, Let's let's let's know, let's like you know,

886
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: I'm watching like you know, good Morning Football, and like

887
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,799
Speaker 1: they're always doing these funny kind of exercises like this,

888
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: So let's let's Chris plays right, old friend, Let's play

889
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: like role you know, like role role play here? You

890
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: know this is Bill when this is like so if

891
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: your Bill can can you like you asked a question like,

892
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: what could Bill do to show Robert that changes don't

893
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: need to be made? Could Bill go in and say, hey, listen,

894
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: Max's gonna be fine. Max's season was completely derailed in

895
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: week three when he gets that high ankle sprain. He

896
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: was never the same after that. We rushed him back.

897
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: In retrospect, we probably should have sat him another couple

898
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: of weeks. He wanted to rush, he wanted to rush back.

899
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: We rushed him back. That was a misstep on our part.

900
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: When he came back, he had the pressure from what

901
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: Zappi was doing. It's snowballed. That led to a lot

902
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: of the conflict between the coaches because the coaches felt, again,

903
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: I'm trying to role play. I don't think beautiful, I

904
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 1: don't think I don't think this is true. Okay, but

905
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying, can can he convince Robert that stay the course? Yeah?

906
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 1: It's working. It got derailed, but it's not irreparably damaged.

907
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 1: The bigger issue was external factors. We're gonna keep Mac healthy.

908
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 1: We're gonna get them completely in year two of the

909
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: Matt Patricia offense and all through the off season. We're

910
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: gonna have them sit down. They're gonna be fine. They're

911
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 1: gonna be They're gonna be fine working with each other. Now,

912
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 1: if I'm Robert, I'm very skeptical. I'm not gonna lie.

913
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I'm buying it. But can Bill? Is

914
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: there a percentage that Bill could go to Robert with

915
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: something along those said? It comes it comes down to

916
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 1: what you said, Paul. He's gonna lay out the evidence

917
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:11,439
Speaker 1: that it's the players that Trent Brown played. Well, yeah,

918
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: I'm not even talking about all that, Like absolutely, you

919
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: add all that in offensive line was a mess. Isaiah

920
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: Wind bailed on the team. You know, Cole Strange needs

921
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: another year. Oh he'll be fine. He just needs to

922
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: get a little ball gun ye right. You know. Kendrick Bourne,

923
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you all the reasons why he wasn't playing,

924
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: and we got him back on track down the stretch, right. Um,

925
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: you know Parker gets hurt. Uh, you know he's gonna

926
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: you know all those things. Yeah, you know, and oh,

927
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: by the way, I need forty million dollars and we

928
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: got how many draft picks? We got like ten draft

929
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: picks or something like that. Like you know, it's like Matt, Matt,

930
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: Matty P's a smart guy. He's gonna get better. He

931
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 1: never did it before. You know, you can see how

932
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: much more comfortable he was putting the game planes together

933
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: as the season, like you, I could see that happening

934
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: before anybody yelled at me, Okay, we're just playing. Yes,

935
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: I'm not like, I'm not telling you that I believe much,

936
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: if any of this. But Fred, you asked a question,

937
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: what could Bill do to convince Robert that changes don't

938
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: need to be made? Right? I think I think it

939
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: would be something like that. It would be sound pretty good.

940
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: You did a pretty good job. Thank you, Thank you. Hey. Um,

941
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: Let's say Bradley writes in with the Patriots he has

942
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: that in quote system. It seems we're always focused on

943
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: picking a player who can do it all, special teams,

944
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: multiple positions, really anything they can is the focus on

945
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: do it all type of people, affecting how Bill thinks

946
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: about the coaches now as well, thinking a coach can

947
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,720
Speaker 1: be a jack of all trades, just like the players

948
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 1: and as he spreading the coaching out too thin. So

949
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: we're moderately good at a lot of things, but not

950
00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: really great in anything. And PS one O C would

951
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: not What I would not like to have right now

952
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: is Nate Hackett. The guys thinks. I love how everyone's

953
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,439
Speaker 1: call him that. That was good. Yes, yeah, I think

954
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: Nathaniel Hackett was a good coordinator by the way for

955
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: Bay and Bay right he was. How hard is it

956
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: to be a good coordinator with Aaron Rodgers? I don't know.

957
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,439
Speaker 1: They don't have one. Now, they don't have a good

958
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: coordinator now, well, they can't score. I think now that

959
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: these young guys is just they're doing better, aren't they doing?

960
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: They're winning games, but they're not scoring. Yeah, they're not

961
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: scoring like they old Packers were. No. Yeah, they're still inconsistent.

962
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: Watson and Dobson. Yeah, and then Watson got hurt the

963
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: other day too. Yeah, he's coming on. Uh, Craig is

964
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 1: in Charlotte. What's up, Craig? Hey, how's it going, guys?

965
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: Good doing today? Pretty good? Um? Hey, I like where

966
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: you're you're at before. I guess there's been a lot

967
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: of um, you know, a lot of scrutiny on Bill

968
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: rightfully so past a couple of weeks ago. I just

969
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: wanted to take now to to say, like I'm in

970
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: the opinion he should be able to write his own

971
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: check out of Foxborough. I will suffer through seasons of

972
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: misery for everything that he's given to the organization, just

973
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: like I would have suffered through, you know, five nood

974
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 1: alarm seasons of brady for everything he gave to the

975
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: season if they went that direction. Having you know, I'm

976
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: a manager of people too, and I've lost an awful

977
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: lot of folks over the past few years, so difficult

978
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: to replace talent and keep that pipeline going. I guess

979
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. My question for you is really how often,

980
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: maybe inside baseball, how often do you think Belichick and

981
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: Craft are talking about these things throughout the season? Because

982
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: we talked about this, like at the end of the year,

983
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: there's going to be this kind of come to the

984
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 1: table meeting with them, and I got to feel like

985
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 1: they're already in the plans, they already kind of know.

986
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: Why isn't this an ongoing convo? Yeah, Yeah, I don't

987
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: know how often they It seems to me that it's

988
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: not like every week they have a sit down and

989
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: and all that. I don't know, but it doesn't seem

990
00:47:55,640 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: like it's a constant conversation. I agree that season check in.

991
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 1: I think I think there might be a time or two,

992
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: but I don't think they Robert's grilling him with specifically,

993
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: what are you planning on do you know it's week

994
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 1: week eleven? What are you planning on doing about this

995
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: much the script for the first series? Right? You know?

996
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think. I mean, I could be wrong,

997
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: but I don't think that that's the case. I think

998
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: it's like you said, Freddie, I think it's after the

999
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: season they sit down and I think then I think

1000
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: Robert wants, yeah, some answer, some some analysis, you know,

1001
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: like the more you need, the more you meddle as

1002
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: an owner, the less you can say, Oh, I have

1003
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 1: to hold him accountable, Like if you're if you're a

1004
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: big influence on the day to day operation, then how

1005
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: much you blame can you give your head coach? Yeah,

1006
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 1: you have to let him do his thing, especially when

1007
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: he's also the GM. You have to let him do it,

1008
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 1: you know, but hold him accountable, right, especially at this point,

1009
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: maybe like a rookie head coach you might have to

1010
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: a little bit not Bill. Yeah, I don't think Robert's

1011
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: in there meddling, But I do feel like the way

1012
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: that it seems like Bill runs his side of the organization,

1013
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 1: that that there would be an ongoing conversation with Craft,

1014
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: especially when things aren't going well. I'll bet you, like

1015
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: during the Max thing when he got hurt, like Bill, like,

1016
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: I'll bet you the owner was probably, hey, how's he doing.

1017
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:13,439
Speaker 1: Do you think he's got a chance to play things

1018
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: like that? I'll bet you he finds out about Yeah. Yeah,

1019
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: But like Paul, Paul, he started another poll, I'll be

1020
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: four Belichick saying this year, I could see that pole

1021
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: moving if he's did that. All right, thanks, Yeah, that'll

1022
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,760
Speaker 1: be an offseason thing. You know, in a couple of weeks,

1023
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: we'll get that going. El from Wisconsin wants to talk

1024
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: about the team vibe and he wants to call me out.

1025
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 1: So I want to read this season Evan got me thinking,

1026
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: he says, Evan got me thinking of after saying that

1027
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: Mac is unlikable, and I think that's a problem surrounding

1028
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 1: this whole team. Bill isn't the most likable guy, But

1029
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: it's fine when you're winning. Grading when you're losing. Maddy

1030
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 1: p has the air of someone who thinks they're the

1031
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: smartest guy in the room. Just ask him, and that's

1032
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: off putting. Mac is at worst a dirty player and

1033
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,919
Speaker 1: at best a whiney cry baby, and not good enough

1034
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: for his antics to be anywhere near justified. Maybe I'm

1035
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,360
Speaker 1: reading way too much into things, but I really feel

1036
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: like there's a fisher where coaches are blaming players and

1037
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: players are blaming coaches. I think Bill has lost the

1038
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: locker room at this point. Who's to say he can

1039
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: get it back. I think it's probably time to move on.

1040
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: What has Bill done in the past, say, two years,

1041
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: to make this a better team. I also have to

1042
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: call Fred out. He made a snide remark about not

1043
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: wanting Hackett because he did an awful job in Denver.

1044
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: What happened to bring in a head coach because it's

1045
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: valuable experience. No matter what, I don't think he was

1046
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: any worse than Judge in New York or Patricia in Detroit.

1047
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: I just well the reason I said, I look at

1048
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: their offense and what happened with Russell Wilson, and I'm like,

1049
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: what Russell Wilson was on the ganelon Daniel Jones is

1050
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 1: as good as Russell Wilson used to be. They're awful.

1051
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: They both looked the same, I know now they do

1052
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 1: now they do. No, no, no, Now, Daniel Jones is

1053
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 1: vastly superior now that Brian Dable was coaching him. Okay,

1054
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: But I'm just that's that's a good point. That's a

1055
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 1: point in my favor. I mean they were both poorly coach.

1056
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: That right, that Hackett couldn't get anything out of Russell Wilson. Correct,

1057
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: That's why I don't Joe Judge couldn't get anything out

1058
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: of a guy who's right now in the playoffs. Yeah,

1059
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 1: but you wanted him because again the email is right.

1060
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: He know he was a Patriot, so you wanted to right.

1061
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: He knows the system right, and a lot of good

1062
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: that knowledge of a system. That's why I said about

1063
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: Hackett about no, I don't want Nathaniel Hackett. I mean,

1064
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to make a case. I'm not trying

1065
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: to make a case for him, Nate Hacketting. I also

1066
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: didn't want Joe Judge. You know, the fact that he

1067
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: was a failed head coach. That's not a point in

1068
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: his favor. It was a point in yours and the

1069
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: guys just pointing out you're in concerned. I do think

1070
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 1: there's something to be said about that experience in the NFL.

1071
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: I do if as long as he was a Patriot,

1072
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: no any any any, but you don't want other films specifically,

1073
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: we're asking him to be an oc here where his

1074
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 1: offense stuff right, and you're asking this got to be

1075
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: a quarterbacks coaching his quarterback stunk like it's the same thing.

1076
00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: The guy's point is that is vallet screw you. You

1077
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: yelled at me yesterday. So sorry, it's fine, fine, uh

1078
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: jacket and aba. If the Patriots had played as well

1079
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: in the first half as they did in the second half,

1080
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: they would have beaten the Bengals. Why didn't the Patriots

1081
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: play as well in the first half as they did

1082
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: in the second half? They made a few throws. People

1083
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:38,799
Speaker 1: really ask these questions. They just read it like, but

1084
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: it's not like with meant with any like no tongue

1085
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 1: in chiefs, smiley face or anything like that. So like

1086
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: you can't just answer if the Bengals had played like

1087
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: they did in the second first half, in the second half,

1088
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 1: they would have won. You know, forty four to nothing. Yeah, okay,

1089
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow still got ac Player of the Week, did

1090
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: he again? It's it's a remarkable thing. And I'm not

1091
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: a Lias, so I can't, like, I don't have a

1092
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:07,280
Speaker 1: website in a like a like a search engine database

1093
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 1: that I can plug in all these factors. But I'm

1094
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: going to venture to guess that teams that turn the

1095
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: ball over three times, including one for a touchdown, miss

1096
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 1: a field goal, two extra points, allow a forty eight

1097
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: yard hail mary on third and twenty nine, or like

1098
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,240
Speaker 1: windless winless in the history of the NFL. They still

1099
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: won doing all those things. That's how much better they

1100
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 1: were than you. Christian the Cuban from Charlotte, North Carolina.

1101
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:34,760
Speaker 1: Two things. First, there have been reports that Bill O'Brien

1102
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: is a done deal coming to the Patriots next season.

1103
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: Who said that I did not see done deal. I

1104
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 1: think Tom Corrn, I don't. I didn't see done deal

1105
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: Tom Currn on EI yesterday I read some quotes on

1106
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: the Twitter machine that he had said he had talked

1107
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: to somebody and someone said he'd be very surprised if

1108
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: it didn't. Okay. Then there have also been reports that

1109
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson in New Jersey Jets will part ways next season.

1110
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 1: What do you think if Ay one for one, swap

1111
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: Mac for Wilson and we have a new OC with Bill.

1112
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: In my defense, I would rather have Mac and see

1113
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: him with weapons in a realc But just a topic

1114
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: to discuss. Second, I think if Belichick has another stinker

1115
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: of a season and O'Brien is the OC and not

1116
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 1: coaching somewhere else, I think we replaced Bill with Bill.

1117
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: If they have a stinker of a season, why do

1118
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 1: you want O'Brien right, because he'd be part of this? Yeah, yeah,

1119
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: I mean there's so many I think there are a

1120
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 1: lot of different factors. What do you think of the

1121
00:54:33,920 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson thing? Not necessarily for the pages, that's kind

1122
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: of gotten a little bit of traction this week. It

1123
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: looks like he's played his last game for the Jets.

1124
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: It's tough, it's a tough He'll get another chance, He'll

1125
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: get another chance. I think it's just tough to try

1126
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: to say he's a backup quarterback because he's so sporadic

1127
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 1: and will kill you. You know, it's like much rather

1128
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: like Teddy Bridgewater is what he is. But I don't

1129
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: feel like he's going to all of a sudden and

1130
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: try to like just make the dumbest throw ever and

1131
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: cost you the game. Like so maybe some team thinks

1132
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: they can fix him, but I think he was always

1133
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: kind of a boomer bus kind of as he was

1134
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 1: as a team was looking at him, how do you

1135
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: get a accurate, you know, read on his mental awareness

1136
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,720
Speaker 1: of the game and football IQ and you know about

1137
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: because yes, he can throw the ball, yeah he can

1138
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: run around, but like how do you get enough information

1139
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 1: from the a mental part of it to make a judgment? Yeah,

1140
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 1: we'll bring him in, Like that's so high. And I

1141
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: made the comment earlier in the week, Um, you know,

1142
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: he's the second overall pick, so he's going to get

1143
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: another shot. But like, you know, Josh Rosen was the

1144
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 1: tenth pick I think or something like that, and he

1145
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:41,920
Speaker 1: got to play as a rookie. And there were a

1146
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: lot of questions about Josh Rosen coming in that were

1147
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: similar to the ones about Zach Wilson. Why isn't he

1148
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: a captain? Do his teammates really like him? Does he

1149
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: command the room? Does he you know, get respect? His

1150
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 1: neck is too long? Who were talking about Josh Rosen

1151
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: and a big Adam's apple can't have that. I couldn't

1152
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 1: if Josh Rosen was in this room, I wouldn't be able.

1153
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you what I did. I like, why

1154
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: why didn't we start talking about Peyton Manning naff Um?

1155
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: But I you know when you looked at Josh Rosen

1156
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 1: and he really never got another shot. He played some

1157
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: games for Miami that first year that Flores was there,

1158
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: and he's been on like sixteen other like practice squads. Right,

1159
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: No one's really brought him in since then and said,

1160
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna be our starter or competing for

1161
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 1: a starter, and basically the league gave up on it.

1162
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:37,520
Speaker 1: So I want to say, Zach Wilson will get another shot. Yeah,

1163
00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 1: but maybe he won't, right because maybe it's been that

1164
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:42,879
Speaker 1: big of a disaster and with the stuff that you're

1165
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: talking about, like the mental makeup, Right, does he have

1166
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: what it takes to be an NFL quarterback? Not physically,

1167
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,799
Speaker 1: emotionally and mentally. Think about who was the guy that

1168
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: broke down in front of his locker years ago? He's

1169
00:56:55,239 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: now he's an analyst. Um Derek the other quarterback who

1170
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 1: was highly touted. I think he was ran Leaf, Ryan Leaf. Yeah,

1171
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,439
Speaker 1: you know, like the league gave up on him, right, Yeah,

1172
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: I mean I think he gave up on himself. There

1173
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: were Yeah, there were other issues with Ryan Come. I

1174
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: think he's turned his life around, Yeah, but you I mean,

1175
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: he spent some time in prison, you know, had drug

1176
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: problems a lot. There's a lot going on that I

1177
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: don't think is necessarily Jermaine to Josh Rosen and Zach

1178
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: Wilson want from Mexico. If Bill waited for O'Brien this year,

1179
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: and that is why, that's the reason he went with

1180
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: this crazy experiment with Maddy P. For me, it's just

1181
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: making the decision even more stupid. You were waiting for

1182
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: the coordinator to come, but you did not add more

1183
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: coaches around to bring as much help for Maddy P. Instead,

1184
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: you screwed with the development not only from MAC but

1185
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: also the few standing players from last year. What do

1186
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: you guys think? I mean, maybe Bill just didn't think

1187
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: it was going to be this bad, you know, Yeah,

1188
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure he did. But if he did it for

1189
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: that reason, I think it's worse. Yeah, Like I'm just

1190
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 1: gonna a placeholder. I really don't like I could burn

1191
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 1: a season at seven, right, right, Well, I didn't think

1192
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: you'd think it was burning anyway. Evan's here and has done,

1193
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: has done all right, Evan, what do we got? Not

1194
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,800
Speaker 1: great news? Oh jeezus, Oh not great news. He's the

1195
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: opposite of back dad Bob So out of Patriots practice

1196
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:36,760
Speaker 1: today inside Gillette Stadium. Little change up for you. There

1197
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: No DeVante Parker, Jalen Mills, Jack Jones, Johnny Smith, Yanni

1198
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:47,919
Speaker 1: could just and the biggest one Marcus Jones not out

1199
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: at Patriots practice on a Wednesday. Now, wait, he plays this.

1200
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 1: This is two thousand This is two thousand and four

1201
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: against the Rams, Like, how did we do it? How

1202
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: did we win that game? With Troy Brown, Pea Patrick

1203
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: and of Vinetary throwing a touchdown? I will say this, okay,

1204
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: if I'm just trying to be a little positive here, Okay,

1205
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: we all spoke to Marcus Jones after the game on Sunday.

1206
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,479
Speaker 1: There was no inclination whatsoever that he was injured. So

1207
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:24,919
Speaker 1: maybe it's an illness. You know, it is that time

1208
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: of year, right. I don't want to speculate anything, but

1209
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: I just don't think that this was some major injury

1210
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 1: that got that went unnoticed in post game, and he

1211
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: went to the podium and did all you know, did

1212
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 1: all these availability and then all of a sudden, now

1213
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: he's had has some severe injury that he that popped

1214
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: up out of nowhere. Okay, now, And it was a

1215
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: regular practice, Like I mean, I'm sorry, I don't need

1216
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 1: to step on I don't want I don't need to

1217
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: play the hits as long as we get the infant.

1218
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: But like I mean, you know, Pad's e practice. I know,

1219
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: like maybe they might be out of pat you know whatever.

1220
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 1: But like so it was a regular practice and all

1221
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: those guys weren't there, so it's current like it was

1222
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: like some kind of walkthrough that maybe they Okay, that's yeah.

1223
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 1: Actually PATTED practice not great out there today, which is

1224
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: pretty standard for Wednesdays. Yeah, I would say this is

1225
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: our first real Wednesday in a long time. Yea, yeah, Wednesday,

1226
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: that's actually Wednesday. Yeah. In the stadium, it sounded like

1227
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: there was some some unavailability with the practice fields for

1228
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: whatever reason. Belichick was asked about it by mic Reas.

1229
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: He didn't want to get into the details, didn't want

1230
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: to get into the deeds, but for some reason, the

1231
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: practice fields weren't av Yeah, if they're not available because you're, like,

1232
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,919
Speaker 1: you know, recovering from the frost or something. Why can't

1233
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 1: he just say that want to get into it anyway,

1234
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: Lots of guys, lots of key guys not at practice. Correct. Yeah,

1235
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 1: the good news was said, could just man, he just

1236
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:58,160
Speaker 1: cannot ever be healthy? Like yeah, yeah. The good news

1237
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: is is that although Johnny Smith wasn't there, Hunter Henry

1238
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: was there and was participating, so they hopefully will at

1239
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: least have a tight end that's not um Matt Sokol

1240
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: because which is also bizarre because he was on the

1241
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: field for the last play of the game and then

1242
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 1: goes on injured reserves. Someone said he got hurt on

1243
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: the last play of the game. I don't know if

1244
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:24,800
Speaker 1: I just they liked him so much, they just want

1245
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 1: to shut him down, make sure they keep him for

1246
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 1: next year. So, Fred, you want to ask him about

1247
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: the mood? Yeah, how was the mood? The food for

1248
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: the team doesn't change. Yeah, I know everybody wants him

1249
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 1: to come in, but I know, I know the people

1250
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 1: that the outside the building want to make up this

1251
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 1: narrative that the team has given up and that you know,

1252
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 1: they've let go the rope and all that kind of stuff.

1253
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: The opposite the team here has it's practice right Like

1254
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 1: they're out of practice, They're doing their thing. It's it's normal.

1255
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,439
Speaker 1: You would never know that this team was coming off

1256
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 1: of two losses and one kind of humiliating loss and

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Speaker 1: you're getting a lot of that from people that are

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Speaker 1: one individual was out there and he was no Boy

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Speaker 1: Hunter Henry Yea who immediately after the game, I think

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Speaker 1: He got hurt like in the first third down of

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Speaker 1: something that you were back for the very next practice,

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Speaker 1: those are questionable to me. Yeah, those are questionable to me. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm ready to go there on

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Speaker 1: Hunter Henry yet, but I think radar up on what's

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Speaker 1: this really something that's lingering or is he shutting? I

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Speaker 1: mean and Mills, those guys they just haven't been around.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know. Yeah, Mills hasn't been out there.

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Speaker 1: Damien Harris has been practicing and not playing, which if

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Speaker 1: sixty percent when he's not going to be himself? Is

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Speaker 1: that worth it? Hunter? Henry is under contract, so I

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Speaker 1: kind of look at that one a little bit different.

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Speaker 1: But we'll see, yeah, yeah, hopefully we can go. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And when I when I bring it up, and again,

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Speaker 1: it goes my off season for for what to what end?

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Speaker 1: We're not going anywhere. That's what I wonder about with

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Speaker 1: with veteran kind of mentality. Grossly unfair. I just but

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Speaker 1: and no great moments in history. It's not a great feeling, right,

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Speaker 1: It's probably one of the worst feelings you can possibly have.

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Speaker 1: So we're what's that, what's that narrative going to be?

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Speaker 1: You know? No, and I and I wish, letish it's good,

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Speaker 1: go ahead. I wish that I felt good. I wish

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Speaker 1: that I had any kind of like emotional reaction to

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01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 1: Tom Brady winning. He's amazing, he is playing. He outstanding

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01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 1: the way I could tell from the second he took

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01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 1: the field, how calm he looked. I've seen him in

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01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 1: game and we've seen him in playoff games where you're like,

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01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 1: what's going on? Why are we so shaky here at

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01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 1: the beginning? You know, actually early, yeah, he did not

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01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:10,720
Speaker 1: look like that at all. He came right out, he

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01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 1: was nails. You know. He definitely did not play great

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Speaker 1: in the second half, which were you know, most people

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Speaker 1: are seeming to ignore. But I wish I felt it.

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01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:20,720
Speaker 1: I wish I felt great about it. I wish I did.

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01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't feel anything. And in the moment,

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01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:25,479
Speaker 1: the only reason I found myself rudy for Green Bay

1504
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 1: is because I didn't want to hear all these people

1505
01:15:27,160 --> 01:15:33,080
Speaker 1: going and being like, see amazing. See everybody everybody does it.

1506
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 1: That's fine. Everybody fears the black police. You're telling you everybody,

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01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 1: and that's all it is. And it's like and and

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01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 1: if you guys are out there and people are like, man,

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01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 1: I just I feel like I feel it in my

1510
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,920
Speaker 1: heart when the Tampa Bay Buccaneers won that NFC championship,

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01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 1: Like I was there with him and I felt nothing.

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01:15:47,640 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 1: I didn't feel a single out anything. Freddy was running

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01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 1: around naked. That's another great moment from all right back

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Speaker 1: here and Patriots Unfiltered five five past five hundred is

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01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 1: the a ticket outline web radio. Everyone's while he just

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01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:06,840
Speaker 1: has to let it out, like you know, I just

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01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 1: I always like when there's those examples of I just

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01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:14,639
Speaker 1: didn't want to listen to the like I'm the only

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01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 1: one who does that. Okay, I'm glad I've come around

1520
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 1: on Tom though, Like I feel like I can appreciate

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01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 1: it now. I don't have to, now that he's actually

1522
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 1: an immortal. Now that he sucks, I love him. Now

1523
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 1: that he doesn't play well anymore. Now I'm gonna what

1524
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:29,680
Speaker 1: are you gonna do when he comes back, I'll just

1525
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 1: kiss his ass. Hope he forgets. Uh, let's see Burton,

1526
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 1: Burton Island. Uh, he says. I get a little tired

1527
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 1: of fans giving ultimatums and saying they've had it with

1528
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,559
Speaker 1: this team, especially people from elsewhere in the country like

1529
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:50,679
Speaker 1: William and Philam. If you have no ties to this area,

1530
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:53,640
Speaker 1: you're just a bandwagon jumper anyway, No different than all

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01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 1: the Steeler and Cowboy fans. We all grew up here

1532
01:16:56,840 --> 01:17:00,120
Speaker 1: within in New England. On the flip side, it's it's

1533
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 1: nice to hear a real fan Chester is back. Also,

1534
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 1: you guys should have asked mister Lyff if he could

1535
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:07,800
Speaker 1: write you a new rap. Yeah, that would be good.

1536
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 1: Now we like Matts was gonna say, you got me

1537
01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 1: for that. Yeah, So it's okay in Portland, it's okay.

1538
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 1: It's okay to not be from here if you're positive.

1539
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 1: But if you're not from here right then you're just

1540
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 1: getting It's okay if you're again, we love all our

1541
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:27,640
Speaker 1: callers we do. It goes to your don't be embarrassed

1542
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:29,680
Speaker 1: as a fan, right you're embarrassed that part like I

1543
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:35,040
Speaker 1: cannot you're upset, you're frustrated, But when you personally are embarrassed. Why, Like,

1544
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:39,599
Speaker 1: when are you most embarrassed? When you count Super Bowl titles? Right?

1545
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 1: Super Bowl appearance? Right? Right? I just I can't wear

1546
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,519
Speaker 1: my Mac Jones jersey to the grocery store without getting

1547
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:47,679
Speaker 1: yelled at. Yeah, well you shouldn't be doing that anywhere,

1548
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 1: according to Meg. Yeah, I just don't understand the embarrassment part.

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01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:56,320
Speaker 1: It's it's a pro sports team that you're root for.

1550
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 1: You want your team to win, right, do well if

1551
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 1: they don't, you could be sad frustrated when you're actually

1552
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 1: in the moment, when you're like seventeen and ruins your week,

1553
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:06,439
Speaker 1: you know, when you're growing up? I think though, like

1554
01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 1: two though, like for a large portion of people, who

1555
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:12,920
Speaker 1: you root for on social media is like your entire identity, right,

1556
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 1: you know, like back in the day, like you just

1557
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,600
Speaker 1: I like this team and you're not social media, you

1558
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 1: didn't have to tell anybody. You might not even have

1559
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 1: the jersey. Like I grew up, I love the Seahawks.

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01:18:22,360 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 1: I don't know why. I grown up like large and

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01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:26,880
Speaker 1: grown up, but I never like felt, you know, like

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01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:28,640
Speaker 1: a fan like that. You know, I was embarrassed. I

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01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 1: don't know which just started. You got to ruin my

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01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 1: life like it used to. Like, yeah, probably the last

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01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 1: time I was like truly despondent over a loss was

1566
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 1: one Blitzer when they lost the Super Bowl to Green Bay. Yeah,

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01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, and even then it wasn't I mean I was,

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01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:50,280
Speaker 1: I was an adult, Like even then, it wasn't the same. Yeah,

1569
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 1: like that, even the Chicago one, Like I convinced myself

1570
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:54,759
Speaker 1: that we could bury the Bears and all that stuff,

1571
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 1: but you know, as soon as the game started, you

1572
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:58,720
Speaker 1: knew they weren't burying the Bears, right, three, I mean

1573
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 1: I had three I was to prepare myself for the inevitable. Yeah,

1574
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 1: like I you know, I was. I was in a

1575
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:10,600
Speaker 1: real bad place after Row seven. But I wasn't embarrassed.

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01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 1: I was just depressed. I was, you know, that was

1577
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 1: that was a depressing like trip home to Freddy's Point, Like,

1578
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 1: oh God, every way you looked, you just saw like

1579
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 1: oh no one smiled Like it was that awful. It

1580
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:28,599
Speaker 1: was awful, you know. I mean I told the story before.

1581
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 1: We had a party a bunch of people. The game ended,

1582
01:19:31,240 --> 01:19:34,680
Speaker 1: I just like ceremoniously popped my two Patriots balloons that

1583
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,080
Speaker 1: I had hanging from my TV and just retreated to

1584
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:40,040
Speaker 1: my quarters. It's like you won the lottery and you

1585
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 1: lost the ticket, like you knew you won, and then

1586
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:44,960
Speaker 1: on the way there you lost the ticket. You don't

1587
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 1: have to talk about it. It's okay. Yeah, it's as

1588
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 1: bad as it can possibly get. Like there's no way

1589
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 1: it worse. A loss could be worse. I mean, that's it,

1590
01:19:51,800 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 1: um Ron and Cambridge. Ever since Brady left, Deuce has

1591
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 1: said something to the effect of I'm interested to see

1592
01:19:57,840 --> 01:19:59,640
Speaker 1: what the greatest head coach of all time does to

1593
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:02,439
Speaker 1: build this team now that Brady's gone. And I can't

1594
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:05,280
Speaker 1: help but think that the Patriot existence post Brady has

1595
01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 1: been the furthest thing from interesting. I missed the old

1596
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 1: days in shame on anybody whoever wished them away. Look

1597
01:20:11,240 --> 01:20:15,200
Speaker 1: at you, Deuce. It's been bad. It hasn't been it

1598
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 1: hasn't gone the way I was interested. I've been interested

1599
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 1: to see how it was going. I mean, I think

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01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 1: it's high drama. I mean I don't think you know,

1601
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 1: maybe you don't love it if you're a Patriots fan,

1602
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 1: but if you're a sports fan, I think you eat

1603
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:28,720
Speaker 1: it up. And that's why the Patriots are relevant for

1604
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 1: what they are still and I know, but look, I

1605
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 1: didn't think it was gonna go this bad. I gotta

1606
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,639
Speaker 1: be honest. I'm with you, though I wanted to see

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01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:38,760
Speaker 1: what was next to not because I wanted what was

1608
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 1: going on to end, but I just knew eventually it

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01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 1: would end right, right right. So that's the difference between

1610
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 1: you two. We needed to see the next and I

1611
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 1: was excited to get a new quarterback in here and

1612
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:53,280
Speaker 1: hopefully had kind of start over right, And obviously it

1613
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:57,679
Speaker 1: hasn't gone exactly as planned. But I'm not necessarily not

1614
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:00,240
Speaker 1: with you on that, Like I'm with both the view

1615
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:02,839
Speaker 1: on that part of it. The difference is he wanted

1616
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:04,760
Speaker 1: to end the Brady error so that we could get

1617
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 1: to the quote unquote interesting part because winning twelve games

1618
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 1: every year was no longer interesting. Rats. That's my narrative now,

1619
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:14,680
Speaker 1: that right there, that's my story, right, No, No, no,

1620
01:21:14,720 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 1: I I the way I like the way I Evan

1621
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 1: explained it better than the way you do. And it's like, no,

1622
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:21,880
Speaker 1: I knew it was going to end at some point,

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01:21:22,040 --> 01:21:24,040
Speaker 1: and I was excited to see what they were gonna do,

1624
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 1: how are they were gonna unfold? And I would agree

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01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:28,280
Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, now I haven't been as excited about

1626
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 1: what I've seen, But yeah, I was thinking a little

1627
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 1: bit too about like like and this is probably gonna

1628
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:35,160
Speaker 1: send us off a cliff right now, But but what

1629
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:38,719
Speaker 1: what what should like compared to what other teams did

1630
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:41,600
Speaker 1: with great quarterbacks at the end um? You know, is

1631
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 1: there is there another team? I was trying to think

1632
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 1: of another team that that did it great? Like did

1633
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 1: it perfect? I mean forty nine ers with going from

1634
01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 1: Montana to young you know, but but what should they

1635
01:21:50,240 --> 01:21:51,800
Speaker 1: have done? Like you know what I mean, like like

1636
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 1: was it over? The difference is not necessarily like it's

1637
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 1: how is the guy playing? Like the difference is Brady

1638
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:03,160
Speaker 1: continue to play at an exceptionally high level? Oh yeah,

1639
01:22:03,160 --> 01:22:05,640
Speaker 1: Like Dan Marino didn't, like you pull the plug on

1640
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 1: Dan Marino? He was done, but Montana went on Montana

1641
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:13,679
Speaker 1: was still okay, yeah, in one good season, right yeah,

1642
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:15,600
Speaker 1: and he's kind of he was kind of done. I

1643
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 1: agree that, Like, so what do you think that? What

1644
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:19,200
Speaker 1: do you think then? What do you think? What do

1645
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:21,880
Speaker 1: you think the Packers should be doing right now? Well?

1646
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 1: Dan Love, Yeah, the Packers have a guy Jordan Love

1647
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 1: I think is on the third or fourth year of

1648
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:29,799
Speaker 1: his rookie contract already right, right, but you know, eventually,

1649
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 1: let's just say Rogers stay, they'd be in the same

1650
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:36,680
Speaker 1: situation the Patriots were with Garoppolo, correct, exact same situation,

1651
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:39,640
Speaker 1: Like they're they're right on the line right now of

1652
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 1: running that risk, right, wasting that first round pick, right

1653
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 1: because they're kind of entering that territory. Now that's right

1654
01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:49,919
Speaker 1: where you know, so they have a plan, but will

1655
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 1: Rogers the plan up? So then you know, and then

1656
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:58,200
Speaker 1: you had Peyton Manning hand tanks. Well, but Peyton Manning

1657
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:00,879
Speaker 1: got hurt, right, But I'm saying why they two and fourteen?

1658
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 1: Then they tanked? That's the idea. Wasn't playing at a

1659
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:05,680
Speaker 1: high level, like if if Peyton Manning doesn't get hurt,

1660
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 1: they're not tanking that seat, right, but keeping Peyton Manning.

1661
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 1: But if the Patriots could have gotten the first overall

1662
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:13,559
Speaker 1: pick in the twenty twenty draft, yeah, very lucky. What

1663
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:15,639
Speaker 1: happened to the Colts was very very you know, it's

1664
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 1: just it's just non it's such a complicated. I think

1665
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:20,800
Speaker 1: they did it exactly how they should have done it.

1666
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:24,400
Speaker 1: They obviously not the decision to let Brady walk, But

1667
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 1: once that had that ship had sailed. They took a

1668
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:30,719
Speaker 1: bridge year because they weren't going to get the quarterback

1669
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 1: in that draft because of where they were picking. And

1670
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 1: then they picked the quarterback when they were in the

1671
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 1: top fifteen. Now they were at fifteen, and I think

1672
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 1: that there are nitpicks there of should they have traded

1673
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 1: up and been more aggressive and not just taking the

1674
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:45,920
Speaker 1: guy that fell into your lap at fifteen. Yeah, but

1675
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:48,839
Speaker 1: that's what I would argue is you can keep Brady

1676
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:52,639
Speaker 1: and okay, you you got Garoppolo. Okay, the time frame

1677
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:55,880
Speaker 1: didn't work. Get another guy, you know, in the first

1678
01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:58,080
Speaker 1: or second round that you like. There had to be

1679
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:03,680
Speaker 1: somebody they liked, h Lamar. It's tough because when what

1680
01:24:03,880 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 1: ended up happening was that in eighteen and nineteen there

1681
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:09,879
Speaker 1: was a run of quarterbacks at the top of the draft.

1682
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 1: You know that, I don't know the middle ground there

1683
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:15,600
Speaker 1: was not very great. Who was that guy that was

1684
01:24:15,640 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 1: available that they missed at quarterback in that window? Well,

1685
01:24:18,920 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't have all the guys in front

1686
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:22,760
Speaker 1: of me. But no, in twenty twenty could have taken

1687
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:25,800
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. There were teams that went from There were

1688
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:28,000
Speaker 1: teams that went from like twenty seven into the top

1689
01:24:28,040 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 1: ten to get stuts. You could have been one of those. Yeah,

1690
01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 1: that's a difference, I think to a degree. Like if

1691
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:36,040
Speaker 1: you want to make the case that they should have

1692
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:38,439
Speaker 1: traded up the draft Justin Fields instead of just waiting

1693
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 1: on Mac, I could hear that argument now. I think, granted,

1694
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 1: what it's become is I don't even know what kind

1695
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 1: of system it's become now, but this isn't that they

1696
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 1: wanted to run in. Where they were going to run

1697
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 1: with McDaniels was certainly more tailored towards Mac Jones than

1698
01:24:51,560 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 1: it was to Justin Fields. So I think that that's

1699
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:58,559
Speaker 1: an element of it too. But I meant more when

1700
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 1: Brady was still here, Like I I know what you're

1701
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:03,000
Speaker 1: saying about Justin Fields, you know, just last year, but

1702
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 1: yours is probably the best one. You could have sat

1703
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:08,639
Speaker 1: right where you were and taken Lamar Jackson, who I

1704
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 1: think Josh really liked. Yeah, Brady, Brady would have lost

1705
01:25:12,520 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 1: and Brady, yeah, he would have like exploded. Maybe it

1706
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 1: would have spurred him onto another time. Mark, I mean,

1707
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. That was nineteen Yeah, nineteen nineteen, so

1708
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 1: that draft would have been around the time No, Yeah,

1709
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:30,600
Speaker 1: that draft would have been around the time that you

1710
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 1: knew that Brady wasn't coming back. Yeah, I don't love

1711
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:37,720
Speaker 1: you're saying at the eighteen draft, I take it back,

1712
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:41,799
Speaker 1: they took Michelle and win and and didn't take Lamar. Okay,

1713
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:43,800
Speaker 1: y that never mind. I mean I still would have

1714
01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 1: done it, but it wouldn't have worked for my time

1715
01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:49,520
Speaker 1: friend Market Clearwater. Of course, I'm one of the originals,

1716
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:53,760
Speaker 1: PFW Nelson Smerless and mister original Fred. But seems like

1717
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 1: you don't read emails anymore, and you have five exact

1718
01:25:57,280 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 1: same callers every show, and they're not informative entertaining. Please

1719
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 1: let's get back to being the Patriots Nation show and

1720
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:06,679
Speaker 1: break free from the same old, same old. After all,

1721
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 1: it's not like we have a team to watch winning

1722
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:11,839
Speaker 1: ps mac is and our guy you can't teach pocket

1723
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 1: presents and he's way too much of a spoiled brat

1724
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 1: to grow. Shout out to Paul my Everett brother in

1725
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 1: all our street hockey days? Who is this? Marc Auger? Oh? Okay,

1726
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 1: how you doing, Mark Um? Not well? PFW Nelson Smerless

1727
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:31,840
Speaker 1: in the original Fred. Oh, that's like I think those

1728
01:26:31,840 --> 01:26:34,200
Speaker 1: guys did little columns in the newspaper. I think that's

1729
01:26:34,200 --> 01:26:37,840
Speaker 1: what he's referring to. Ok. Yeah, Steve Nelson Smerless did it.

1730
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:41,840
Speaker 1: I had Hannah do it. This is the initials in

1731
01:26:41,880 --> 01:26:45,240
Speaker 1: the nineties. Yeah, what was the first issue of PFW.

1732
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 1: What was in that issue? And who was writing home anything? Like?

1733
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:53,800
Speaker 1: We had a few, right, we had a freelance to

1734
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:56,719
Speaker 1: freelance writers on game day that would write the game stuff.

1735
01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:59,559
Speaker 1: But anything during the week I wrote pretty much that

1736
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 1: was so just you and a couple. I had a

1737
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:05,000
Speaker 1: couple of interns. Yeah. Yeah, and then first year just

1738
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 1: just did the newspaper weekly. So anything that didn't have

1739
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 1: a byeline in the newspaper I wrote. Yeah, I used

1740
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:14,640
Speaker 1: to do weekly picks with the spread and everything. The

1741
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:18,560
Speaker 1: pocket presence think or we go to that because I

1742
01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:24,760
Speaker 1: just know what what am I not seeing? Like pocket presence? Yeah, Like,

1743
01:27:25,080 --> 01:27:27,439
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means first of all, because

1744
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 1: I think everybody defines that differently for some reason. Are

1745
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:35,639
Speaker 1: we talking about pocket movement? Are we talking about sensing pressure?

1746
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:40,679
Speaker 1: Sensing pressure? Yes, Okay, I don't know. I don't see

1747
01:27:40,760 --> 01:27:43,600
Speaker 1: him as a quarterback that doesn't sense pressure. Like to me,

1748
01:27:43,800 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that don't sense pressure, turn into statues, get blindsided

1749
01:27:47,840 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 1: by the rush and fumble right like that that those

1750
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:54,640
Speaker 1: are quarterbacks that don't sense pressure, don't feel pressure in

1751
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:58,280
Speaker 1: the pocket. And I don't see him doing that. Like

1752
01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:00,280
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of things that he does wrong.

1753
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:03,040
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. It's not like he's free of

1754
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:06,800
Speaker 1: blame here. But I keep hearing this pocket presence thing,

1755
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 1: and I just don't really know what people are seeing.

1756
01:28:10,439 --> 01:28:12,599
Speaker 1: I think are in the same place right now where

1757
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 1: we're like, we're not even talking about personnel this offseason

1758
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 1: until we figure out the coaching situation, Like don't even

1759
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:19,040
Speaker 1: talk to me about your mock draft, don't even talk

1760
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:21,679
Speaker 1: to about agency, Like, just get a system in place

1761
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 1: that people can be successful before we start. Oh yeah,

1762
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:26,200
Speaker 1: Barth is already talking to me about the draft and

1763
01:28:26,200 --> 01:28:29,080
Speaker 1: he's doing his tend to watch in the college football

1764
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 1: playoff this week, and I'm like, dude, none of this matters, Like,

1765
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 1: none of it matters until they have an offensive coordinator,

1766
01:28:35,680 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 1: if they draft Jordan Addison or they draft Josh Downs,

1767
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:41,720
Speaker 1: or they draft Jackson Smith and Jigbu, like none of

1768
01:28:41,720 --> 01:28:45,280
Speaker 1: it matters. Already ahead of me, Chris with a t

1769
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:50,840
Speaker 1: I a n Hey Christian, Hey guys, what's happening? Paul

1770
01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:57,880
Speaker 1: is left to go watch sports, very low level sports. Yeah.

1771
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 1: Oh um, I'll tell you you guys have been scaring

1772
01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:04,960
Speaker 1: me the past couple of weeks, in particular Deuce Um

1773
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:09,320
Speaker 1: when you talk when you're talking about them potentially running

1774
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 1: it back with Maddie p Oh, that was passile thing

1775
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:15,680
Speaker 1: he just laid out this show. Yeah, and I and

1776
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 1: you know, and Bill basically like talking Robert into saying,

1777
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:23,680
Speaker 1: you know, I did Maddie p wrong. I'll get an

1778
01:29:23,680 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 1: offensive line coach and hero take take you know, that

1779
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 1: office plate. He'll focus on being a coordinator. He's got

1780
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:34,120
Speaker 1: a year under his spelt. You know, he'll be better. Yeah.

1781
01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:36,640
Speaker 1: And that scares the crap out of me. And the

1782
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:39,960
Speaker 1: question I have for you guys is, um, do you

1783
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:43,240
Speaker 1: have any idea if it's just Bill and Robert that

1784
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 1: sit down? Is it? Is it Bill, Robert and Jonathan?

1785
01:29:47,479 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 1: I think Jonathan's involved? Yeah, Yeah, I think Jonathan's involved.

1786
01:29:51,360 --> 01:29:53,599
Speaker 1: And I'll bet you know so. I don't know if

1787
01:29:53,640 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 1: Matt grow is involved, but you know it's a possibility.

1788
01:29:57,280 --> 01:30:00,200
Speaker 1: Probably Cassario in the past might have been Yeah, Eli

1789
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 1: or somebody. Yeah, but but it's a pretty small meeting,

1790
01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:07,800
Speaker 1: very small. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think they're

1791
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:12,320
Speaker 1: interested in hearing what, you know, Patrician Patricia has to

1792
01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:14,800
Speaker 1: say or Joe Judge. I think they want to hear it.

1793
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:18,320
Speaker 1: They just want to know what Bill thinks primarily, and

1794
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:20,840
Speaker 1: you know, maybe Mac grow for the draft, but primarily

1795
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick. Yeah man, yeah, So I mean, I, you know,

1796
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:29,240
Speaker 1: and I was really on the wagon of I just

1797
01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:32,040
Speaker 1: want this season to end, and you know, I can't

1798
01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:35,680
Speaker 1: wait for next year. And then I you know, I

1799
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:37,439
Speaker 1: kind of took a step back and I'm like, you know,

1800
01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 1: if they do make a playoffs, great, they made the playoffs. Yeah,

1801
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 1: for me, it's great, an extra game. I'm a I'm

1802
01:30:45,120 --> 01:30:47,000
Speaker 1: all for it. For it, I'm all for it. I

1803
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:50,240
Speaker 1: just like all these people, Oh, they shouldn't have the

1804
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 1: playoffs because they don't deserve to be screw that, you know, Oh,

1805
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 1: I don't they don't deserve it. If they have a

1806
01:30:57,520 --> 01:31:00,640
Speaker 1: record where they earn a playoff birth, then how do

1807
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:03,679
Speaker 1: they not deserve it, Like, I don't understand what that means.

1808
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 1: They didn't get in with style points, right, Yeah. I

1809
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:08,599
Speaker 1: just think there's a big difference between beating Miami, even

1810
01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:11,600
Speaker 1: with Teddy Bridgewater, beating Buffalo in Buffalo, which you know

1811
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:14,680
Speaker 1: is a tall task, and instead of beating Miami and

1812
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:18,160
Speaker 1: then losing the Buffalo and needing like seven permutations and

1813
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:20,200
Speaker 1: then you get in like like that or that one,

1814
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:23,280
Speaker 1: I'll be a little bit like all right, yeah, but hey,

1815
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:28,040
Speaker 1: it's like the college basketball pitch game where you know,

1816
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:30,920
Speaker 1: the Patriots need like eight things to happen, and it happens,

1817
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:33,920
Speaker 1: and they show the Patriots at the facility crazy. I

1818
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:39,520
Speaker 1: don't think that's gonna happen twelve. I do. It's December

1819
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:43,519
Speaker 1: twenty eighth, Wednesday, December twenty eighth, and I'm gonna sit

1820
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 1: here and just from everything that I've pieced together, I

1821
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:50,200
Speaker 1: guarantee you that the offensive coaching structure will be different

1822
01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:54,160
Speaker 1: next year. Yeah, I guarantee it. I don't know if

1823
01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:56,280
Speaker 1: it's going to be Bill O'Brien. I don't know if

1824
01:31:56,280 --> 01:31:59,160
Speaker 1: it's going to be a wholesale change where O'Brien comes in,

1825
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:03,000
Speaker 1: brings his whole own staff and everybody's out. I don't

1826
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:06,479
Speaker 1: know about that, but there will be like there will

1827
01:32:06,479 --> 01:32:08,280
Speaker 1: be an adult in the room next year that knows

1828
01:32:08,280 --> 01:32:10,760
Speaker 1: what he's doing. There's no chance they just run it back.

1829
01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:13,599
Speaker 1: You saying that it makes me makes me feel nice.

1830
01:32:14,680 --> 01:32:16,360
Speaker 1: But I think it's more a thing where it's not

1831
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:17,960
Speaker 1: like I think a lot of people will be like

1832
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:20,599
Speaker 1: fire maps a fire, Joe Judge, but you know, fire

1833
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:24,000
Speaker 1: everybody and then bring fire the fire. It's gonna be

1834
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:25,960
Speaker 1: a juggle, Like I think it's gonna be a juggle.

1835
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 1: And I don't really think anybody's gonna get fired, but

1836
01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:31,360
Speaker 1: some people are gonna get reassigned, and and I don't

1837
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:34,040
Speaker 1: think that that's necessarily the worst thing, but I just

1838
01:32:34,160 --> 01:32:36,360
Speaker 1: I think I'm I'm all on board. If if you

1839
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:39,280
Speaker 1: need new map, Patrician goes back upstairs, that's a given.

1840
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:43,519
Speaker 1: He'll be senior football advisor at Better. He'll advise the offense,

1841
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:46,200
Speaker 1: and he'll he'll be up back upstairs. I think you know,

1842
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 1: to the we had an email earlier that said why

1843
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:52,760
Speaker 1: not just bring guys in like why the stop gap

1844
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 1: year right and or the bridge year. I think a

1845
01:32:55,080 --> 01:32:57,920
Speaker 1: big reason why you can't do that is because if

1846
01:32:57,960 --> 01:33:00,760
Speaker 1: they then go ahead and hire Bill O'Brien and he

1847
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:04,719
Speaker 1: cleans house a year later, it's that's not a position

1848
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:07,679
Speaker 1: that these assistants want to be in right where you're

1849
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:10,880
Speaker 1: coming in to be on Matt Patricia's staff essentially, and

1850
01:33:10,920 --> 01:33:13,479
Speaker 1: then in a year, you know you're you're you're out

1851
01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:16,000
Speaker 1: of a job like that. That's not really a great

1852
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:18,200
Speaker 1: spot to be in. So I don't really think it

1853
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:21,839
Speaker 1: was a very desirable situation, either to be an offensive

1854
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:24,720
Speaker 1: line coach or a quarterbacks coach and be hired by

1855
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:28,920
Speaker 1: the Patriots. Right. Uh, let's see, Eldred's is North Carolina.

1856
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:31,639
Speaker 1: He needs to ask Mike a question. What's your question?

1857
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:37,200
Speaker 1: Eldred La, I want to answer this question. Question. Oh,

1858
01:33:37,200 --> 01:33:41,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna answer a questions about saying about Joe Montana

1859
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:44,240
Speaker 1: and Steve Yo. Yeah, I told you, I told you

1860
01:33:44,240 --> 01:33:48,360
Speaker 1: when Brady left team. Normally, when with a great quarterback leave,

1861
01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:50,599
Speaker 1: it takes in the wheel from five three to five

1862
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:54,799
Speaker 1: ten years something longer. It ain't the coach, it's the quarterback.

1863
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:58,360
Speaker 1: And I gave you example Joe Montana Steve Yo. They

1864
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:00,720
Speaker 1: had the same team. Took Steve on three years to

1865
01:34:00,760 --> 01:34:03,679
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl when they beat the Charges, same

1866
01:34:03,800 --> 01:34:07,760
Speaker 1: king took him three years. Dallas atment they an't been

1867
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:14,000
Speaker 1: back sin Pitchburg. Uh. Bradshaw then my boy took him,

1868
01:34:14,120 --> 01:34:16,519
Speaker 1: Big Being took him twice, then me and back Sin.

1869
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:24,400
Speaker 1: Miami ain't been back Sin. You know, Buffalo Kelly ain't

1870
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:27,559
Speaker 1: made it there yet. He's so it's always the quarterback.

1871
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:30,760
Speaker 1: It ain't just the coach, it's the quarterback. And I've

1872
01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:33,360
Speaker 1: been different. That's why, you know, like I said, it's hard. Yeah,

1873
01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:37,160
Speaker 1: team here, we ain't got off as coordinator. So yeah,

1874
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:39,200
Speaker 1: I mean, all that's true. I just I guess, I guess.

1875
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:42,639
Speaker 1: My question is with twenty twenty hindsight and knowing everything

1876
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:44,280
Speaker 1: that you just laid out was completely true, you know,

1877
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:45,880
Speaker 1: just how you know, what would what would you have

1878
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:49,440
Speaker 1: done different? You know, how could you have approached this differently? Um?

1879
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:50,960
Speaker 1: You know so that it didn't I mean, and I

1880
01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:52,880
Speaker 1: agree with your point, like it's it's really hard to

1881
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:54,760
Speaker 1: find quarterbacks. It's not like there's just an easy plan

1882
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:57,280
Speaker 1: you plug a guy in. But I just in retrospect,

1883
01:34:57,320 --> 01:34:59,000
Speaker 1: it was such a monumental thing that you knew what

1884
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:01,000
Speaker 1: was going to happen. You know, could how could you

1885
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:03,559
Speaker 1: might maybe have himpled it better? Yeah? Well, in a way,

1886
01:35:03,960 --> 01:35:07,679
Speaker 1: Brady did welcome Lamar because you thought that was being Lamar.

1887
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:13,160
Speaker 1: But we traded to the Ravens. Ravens got Lamar, Welcome,

1888
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 1: Welcome Lamarca. He thought he gonna pick Lamar. I just

1889
01:35:15,400 --> 01:35:18,439
Speaker 1: don't understand the timeline for Lamar, because I look, I

1890
01:35:18,479 --> 01:35:22,000
Speaker 1: love Lamar. Lamar is probably my favorite quarterback in the league. Honestly,

1891
01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:25,639
Speaker 1: day they're both up there. I love Lamar, love them,

1892
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:28,880
Speaker 1: loved him coming out, love them now. But Brady didn't

1893
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:31,200
Speaker 1: leave until after twenty nineteen, So that means that Lamar

1894
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:33,680
Speaker 1: is sitting on the bench for at least two seasons, right,

1895
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:38,960
Speaker 1: So I just don't really understand the timeline of like

1896
01:35:39,000 --> 01:35:41,720
Speaker 1: it's it's it's Jordan love right, you know. And at

1897
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:43,640
Speaker 1: the time, and look, I understand that we can have

1898
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:46,479
Speaker 1: a conversation about Sony and Isaiah Win and how good

1899
01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:52,120
Speaker 1: those picks actually were, but those especially Sony, contributed directly

1900
01:35:52,120 --> 01:35:54,439
Speaker 1: to winning a Super Bowl. Yeah, And and and we

1901
01:35:54,640 --> 01:35:58,680
Speaker 1: heard that McDaniels really like Lamar Jackson. We don't know,

1902
01:35:58,760 --> 01:36:01,760
Speaker 1: but we heard that. But did Bill? The Bill was

1903
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:05,360
Speaker 1: Bill willing to do what did and totally revamp your offense.

1904
01:36:05,880 --> 01:36:09,040
Speaker 1: That's the biggest As much as as much of a

1905
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:12,719
Speaker 1: terrific quarterback as he is. Greg Roman runs an offense

1906
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:16,640
Speaker 1: that only Lamar Jackson's right, that's right, and you have

1907
01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:19,520
Speaker 1: to They hired Greg Roman because Roman worked with Kaepernick

1908
01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:22,160
Speaker 1: and San Francisco in his college days. He ran a

1909
01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:25,840
Speaker 1: read option offense, like that's his offense from the days

1910
01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:28,800
Speaker 1: he's in college and in the pros. So they hired

1911
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:30,800
Speaker 1: Greg Roman knowing that he was going to be that

1912
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:33,439
Speaker 1: type of coach. Of course, Jim had Greg Roman in

1913
01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:36,200
Speaker 1: San Francisco, so they had the Harbot connection and that's

1914
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:37,880
Speaker 1: how you get there. I just think it's it's still

1915
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:40,200
Speaker 1: an interesting debate because he's going to be a free agent.

1916
01:36:40,240 --> 01:36:42,080
Speaker 1: I mean, and you know, everything event said, would I

1917
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:45,880
Speaker 1: meant redid their offense? So you know, if you're if

1918
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:47,720
Speaker 1: you're not going to stick with Lamar, does that mean

1919
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:50,280
Speaker 1: you know that you're gonna re jigger it means Greg

1920
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:51,760
Speaker 1: Roman out. Are you all of a sudden not going

1921
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:54,559
Speaker 1: to get another Lamar to another you know kind offense.

1922
01:36:54,600 --> 01:36:56,960
Speaker 1: It's just an interesting position that they're in, which I

1923
01:36:56,960 --> 01:36:59,240
Speaker 1: mean clearly it's I think they're going to have months.

1924
01:36:59,479 --> 01:37:01,599
Speaker 1: I think I've absolutely blown away if he gets out

1925
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:05,719
Speaker 1: of the building. Yeah, David and Wisconsin. Last week, Paul

1926
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:08,200
Speaker 1: mentioned his first year working with the Patriots was Pete

1927
01:37:08,200 --> 01:37:11,240
Speaker 1: Carroll's last year, and it reminded me to ask this question.

1928
01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:14,559
Speaker 1: Of course, I might be misremembering. I thought I read

1929
01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:17,120
Speaker 1: in a PFW issue that Pete called in Paul and

1930
01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:19,479
Speaker 1: Mike Reese in his office and told them to more

1931
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:23,280
Speaker 1: or less do their jobs better covering the team. Did

1932
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:26,519
Speaker 1: this happen. I'm not sure that happened. He called me

1933
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:29,800
Speaker 1: into his office. It was after it was the first

1934
01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:33,080
Speaker 1: year Pete was the coach and we were playing the Jets,

1935
01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:36,040
Speaker 1: and I think Glenn Foley from BC was their quarterback

1936
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:40,400
Speaker 1: and we lost and we rarely put like opposing player

1937
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:43,759
Speaker 1: on our cover. But after that game, I put Glenn

1938
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:48,200
Speaker 1: Foley and I had Broadway foe because we just lost

1939
01:37:48,200 --> 01:37:51,559
Speaker 1: to the Jets, and you know, like that's when the

1940
01:37:51,640 --> 01:37:55,960
Speaker 1: Border War was like at at its height. And after that,

1941
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:58,960
Speaker 1: like I gotta call Piece, like you gotta come down here.

1942
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:01,559
Speaker 1: I gotta talk to you. And he's he's like, you

1943
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:03,679
Speaker 1: know how it is around here? How can you do this?

1944
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:08,200
Speaker 1: You know? And I'm like, he's from BC. We lost,

1945
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:11,800
Speaker 1: you know, like but like I can understand him being

1946
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:14,320
Speaker 1: like Fred, I need your help man, though, because like

1947
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:18,519
Speaker 1: if there was one game he couldn't lose while coach.

1948
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:22,280
Speaker 1: It was to the Jets. To parcels. Yeah, it's interesting

1949
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:24,320
Speaker 1: you had, I mean, you had what five six years

1950
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:27,240
Speaker 1: parcels at first oversee you know the McCarroll, but kind

1951
01:38:27,240 --> 01:38:30,000
Speaker 1: of prepare you like in terms of content wise, like

1952
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:32,360
Speaker 1: you know, were you prepared when the Belichick shift came

1953
01:38:32,360 --> 01:38:34,200
Speaker 1: that you know you kind of already knew not to

1954
01:38:34,240 --> 01:38:36,880
Speaker 1: do something like that. Perhaps that that Belichick, but it

1955
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:38,840
Speaker 1: just seems like there's kind of like some parameters were

1956
01:38:38,920 --> 01:38:41,760
Speaker 1: kind of established by the Bill got here that you knew, well,

1957
01:38:42,320 --> 01:38:45,559
Speaker 1: you knew you weren't getting any access, you know, so

1958
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:48,519
Speaker 1: because what do you mean, Parcels would be like I'm

1959
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:51,280
Speaker 1: in the said, I'm in the business of getting information,

1960
01:38:51,400 --> 01:38:54,360
Speaker 1: not giving it, you know. So, but he would do

1961
01:38:54,400 --> 01:38:57,599
Speaker 1: it in a wise New Jersey wise guy type of way,

1962
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:00,439
Speaker 1: you know. So it was entertaining for the median. They

1963
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:04,320
Speaker 1: would eat out of his lap, you know. Oh, the

1964
01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:07,240
Speaker 1: old Guard media like the reverence that they have for

1965
01:39:07,360 --> 01:39:10,080
Speaker 1: Bill parcels and he would just treat them like dirt.

1966
01:39:10,240 --> 01:39:13,000
Speaker 1: And yet they they just came back looking for more.

1967
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:19,360
Speaker 1: Few of those they talk about, Oh the fact that

1968
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:21,320
Speaker 1: he's not in the Patriots Hall of Fame is the

1969
01:39:21,400 --> 01:39:24,920
Speaker 1: biggest disgrace to human time in their eyes, that you've

1970
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:30,000
Speaker 1: ever seen. Coach left it. He was that every year,

1971
01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:32,240
Speaker 1: told the owner he didn't know if he wanted to

1972
01:39:32,280 --> 01:39:35,160
Speaker 1: be here. Yeah, And then and then on the biggest

1973
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:39,240
Speaker 1: week of the franchise's history, arguably he's on the phone

1974
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:41,439
Speaker 1: more with the Jets than talking to his own coaches.

1975
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:45,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's like those are facts, you know,

1976
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:47,439
Speaker 1: Like it's hard. Yes, he was a great coach and

1977
01:39:47,479 --> 01:39:49,280
Speaker 1: he did a lot for the French blah blah blah,

1978
01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:51,400
Speaker 1: but it all it's a body of work and it's

1979
01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:53,640
Speaker 1: a team hall of fame. And he kicked it off

1980
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:56,800
Speaker 1: to Desmond Howard, So like, how can we really put

1981
01:39:56,960 --> 01:40:01,519
Speaker 1: and Reggie White when office? And they just left him

1982
01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:05,200
Speaker 1: on the three year old year old Evans counting the table.

1983
01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:08,800
Speaker 1: What are we doing? Literally, you're just kicked it off

1984
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:14,479
Speaker 1: to the Heisman Trophy winner. Why don't you go ahead? Um,

1985
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:19,679
Speaker 1: Mitch and albany h do you guys see a scenario

1986
01:40:19,800 --> 01:40:22,599
Speaker 1: next year where the Patriots make Marcus Jones a full

1987
01:40:22,640 --> 01:40:25,680
Speaker 1: time receiver. I know, I'm not sure how great of

1988
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:27,400
Speaker 1: a route runner he is, but I think I've seen

1989
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:29,760
Speaker 1: enough to say he's a big time playmaker with the

1990
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:31,600
Speaker 1: ball in his hands. If they sign a couple of

1991
01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:34,040
Speaker 1: veteran corners in the off season, I think they should

1992
01:40:34,040 --> 01:40:38,000
Speaker 1: switch him to offense full time. Not happening. I always

1993
01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:41,680
Speaker 1: say that, like if you play cornerback, you play cornerback.

1994
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:43,920
Speaker 1: You don't go from corner to safety. But you can't

1995
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:47,919
Speaker 1: go from safety to corner. You don't go from defense

1996
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:51,880
Speaker 1: to offense. You know, you can't go from offensive deva.

1997
01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:54,240
Speaker 1: But if you were a good wide receiver, then you

1998
01:40:54,320 --> 01:40:56,600
Speaker 1: were a good wide receiver in college too. There's a

1999
01:40:56,600 --> 01:40:59,639
Speaker 1: reason why in college he was never a full time

2000
01:40:59,680 --> 01:41:02,120
Speaker 1: wide receiver. He did it a little, but you know,

2001
01:41:02,280 --> 01:41:04,880
Speaker 1: I would just say this though, he's an electric player,

2002
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:07,639
Speaker 1: and I would keep five to six plays every game

2003
01:41:07,680 --> 01:41:09,840
Speaker 1: in the package. And if he ultimately just ends up

2004
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:12,679
Speaker 1: as a slot corner where he's not playing every down,

2005
01:41:13,080 --> 01:41:14,840
Speaker 1: then I think it all matches up. He's too good,

2006
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:17,320
Speaker 1: he's too explosive. They need guys like that. I don't

2007
01:41:17,320 --> 01:41:18,960
Speaker 1: need to see him full time, but I think he can.

2008
01:41:19,120 --> 01:41:20,720
Speaker 1: I mean, wee we're seeing it now. We're the last

2009
01:41:20,720 --> 01:41:22,760
Speaker 1: few games. Give him three to four plays. He can

2010
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:24,840
Speaker 1: make an impact even with just that limited workload. I

2011
01:41:24,880 --> 01:41:27,960
Speaker 1: actually think that they've nailed it perfectly with his workload,

2012
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:32,120
Speaker 1: where he is a gadget player on offense, right, Like,

2013
01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:34,040
Speaker 1: he's not a receiver. Okay, he's not going to go

2014
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:36,559
Speaker 1: out there and run a route tree and break off

2015
01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:39,679
Speaker 1: leverage and read out coverages and like all this stuff

2016
01:41:39,720 --> 01:41:43,400
Speaker 1: that receivers do. But he's able to three to five

2017
01:41:43,439 --> 01:41:45,920
Speaker 1: plays a game, come on the field like Devin Hester

2018
01:41:46,080 --> 01:41:48,120
Speaker 1: used to do and make an impact. And that's great.

2019
01:41:48,240 --> 01:41:51,760
Speaker 1: And even if the impact is just disruption of the

2020
01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:54,120
Speaker 1: defensive read, you know, like, Okay, he's out here, we

2021
01:41:54,120 --> 01:41:56,600
Speaker 1: gotta pay attention to him, you know, to somebody, you know.

2022
01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:58,920
Speaker 1: That's fine, right, And I mean, and if this offensive

2023
01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:00,960
Speaker 1: coaching staff can figure out way to get him involved

2024
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:02,600
Speaker 1: to make an impact, I mean, I'm sure that the

2025
01:42:02,640 --> 01:42:05,840
Speaker 1: continuing going down the road, other offensive coaches will be able,

2026
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:08,200
Speaker 1: you know, to do the same. But he just I mean,

2027
01:42:08,479 --> 01:42:10,240
Speaker 1: he's too good. You need more players like that. You

2028
01:42:10,280 --> 01:42:12,800
Speaker 1: need players that can pull away from from guys like

2029
01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:15,439
Speaker 1: he can. I mean, the interception returned, diving, you know,

2030
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:17,640
Speaker 1: jumping over guys, hurling players down the side. I mean,

2031
01:42:17,680 --> 01:42:20,000
Speaker 1: he's just a dynamic athlete. We need more guys like

2032
01:42:20,080 --> 01:42:23,599
Speaker 1: when you see him play like you're to your point.

2033
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:27,000
Speaker 1: We just haven't seen a dynamic athlete like that in

2034
01:42:27,120 --> 01:42:29,680
Speaker 1: so long here that it is jarring, and it's like,

2035
01:42:30,280 --> 01:42:32,280
Speaker 1: so that's what it looks like. Right. When we talk

2036
01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:35,240
Speaker 1: about game breaking speed, we're not talking about you know,

2037
01:42:35,280 --> 01:42:38,040
Speaker 1: no offense. We're not talking about Nelson Aghalore, right, We're

2038
01:42:38,040 --> 01:42:41,799
Speaker 1: talking about that's game breaking speed right there, right, Travis

2039
01:42:41,800 --> 01:42:44,000
Speaker 1: and West Virginia. I would like to concur with the

2040
01:42:44,040 --> 01:42:46,320
Speaker 1: emailer who said there are a lot of repeat callers

2041
01:42:46,320 --> 01:42:48,400
Speaker 1: who really don't bring a whole lot to the table.

2042
01:42:48,760 --> 01:42:52,400
Speaker 1: Eldred and Sweet Kid excluded. Also, Fred, it makes me

2043
01:42:52,479 --> 01:42:56,080
Speaker 1: uncomfortable when you refer to Romandre Stevenson as Dre on

2044
01:42:56,120 --> 01:42:58,400
Speaker 1: the blog. It's tantamount to you showing up with an

2045
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:01,320
Speaker 1: air ring tomorrow. It's just a place, it's bed. I

2046
01:43:01,320 --> 01:43:03,760
Speaker 1: don't want to have to write out Ramondre every time,

2047
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:06,880
Speaker 1: you know, so I just say Dre, it's faster or

2048
01:43:07,880 --> 01:43:11,760
Speaker 1: maybe God, yeah, I might as well just do the

2049
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:15,760
Speaker 1: row if I'm going to do, you know, I don't know.

2050
01:43:16,160 --> 01:43:18,120
Speaker 1: I just sometimes I like to shorten it up, like

2051
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:20,920
Speaker 1: like I don't want to write Marcus Jones every time

2052
01:43:20,920 --> 01:43:23,640
Speaker 1: because there's so many Jones, so I'll just write Marcus, right.

2053
01:43:23,920 --> 01:43:30,120
Speaker 1: You know, we struggle as writers different basis with the Jones. Right,

2054
01:43:30,200 --> 01:43:32,280
Speaker 1: what are we supposed to do? Right? I had to

2055
01:43:32,479 --> 01:43:34,880
Speaker 1: somebody email into me a couple of weeks ago teaching

2056
01:43:34,920 --> 01:43:38,000
Speaker 1: me like how to spell out Jones is right, like

2057
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:42,000
Speaker 1: not like apostrophes, Like it's the e s at the

2058
01:43:42,120 --> 01:43:44,439
Speaker 1: end of it over the playeral of Jones. You know,

2059
01:43:44,439 --> 01:43:45,760
Speaker 1: what's the other one? Fred? I wonder. I don't know

2060
01:43:45,800 --> 01:43:48,200
Speaker 1: if you've ever had this talk to some Patriot writers

2061
01:43:48,200 --> 01:43:51,760
Speaker 1: that do this a lot accidentally, Patritos getting like you know,

2062
01:43:51,800 --> 01:43:55,479
Speaker 1: when you're tightening like Patritos Patritos. Yeah, i'd think we

2063
01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:57,040
Speaker 1: would get like, you know, for all the for the

2064
01:43:57,080 --> 01:43:59,880
Speaker 1: writers get like Patritos chirts like you know, it's just

2065
01:44:00,040 --> 01:44:03,679
Speaker 1: something like Patritos. They got me again? Yeah? Absolutely. Dexter

2066
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:07,000
Speaker 1: in Santa Rosa, California, back during Ravens Week, Bill was

2067
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:09,519
Speaker 1: talking about Lamar Jackson during his media interview and he

2068
01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:11,920
Speaker 1: says something out of the ordinary, quote, I can't wait

2069
01:44:11,960 --> 01:44:15,479
Speaker 1: to see that contract. At the same at the time,

2070
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:18,439
Speaker 1: we all collectively thought it was a slightly peculiar but

2071
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:21,759
Speaker 1: nothing more. But now that our offense truly sucks beyond

2072
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:24,479
Speaker 1: any doubt, I think Bill can't wait to see that

2073
01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:28,160
Speaker 1: contract because that contract will have a Patriot's logo at

2074
01:44:28,160 --> 01:44:31,160
Speaker 1: the top of the paper. Instead of going for a

2075
01:44:31,200 --> 01:44:33,479
Speaker 1: true number one wide receiver, why not get a true

2076
01:44:33,560 --> 01:44:36,240
Speaker 1: number one quarterback and sign Lamar and poach him from

2077
01:44:36,240 --> 01:44:39,360
Speaker 1: the Ravens this offseason. Would the fans, Craft and Bill

2078
01:44:39,439 --> 01:44:42,240
Speaker 1: be happy with Lamar signed for a max contract and

2079
01:44:42,280 --> 01:44:46,000
Speaker 1: bring in a real coordinator one can dream. I also

2080
01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:48,200
Speaker 1: hope we make it to the playoffs, so I'd rather

2081
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Speaker 1: have a chance, even if our odds are about point zero,

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01:44:50,880 --> 01:44:53,639
Speaker 1: zero zero or two percent chance of winning the Super

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01:44:53,680 --> 01:44:56,639
Speaker 1: Bowl this year. So you're saying there's a chance, I'm

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01:44:57,040 --> 01:45:01,320
Speaker 1: I'm terrified of them being able to if if they

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01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:03,519
Speaker 1: were to actually go out in Lamar, we're gonna actually

2086
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:06,679
Speaker 1: play out this Lamar situation. I'm just terrified of them

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01:45:06,680 --> 01:45:08,519
Speaker 1: knowing what to do with the quarterback. Like you just said,

2088
01:45:08,520 --> 01:45:10,120
Speaker 1: the whole Greg Roman thing. I mean, that's what they'd

2089
01:45:10,160 --> 01:45:12,759
Speaker 1: have to do. Maybe Bill O'Brien does because of Deshaun Watson,

2090
01:45:12,920 --> 01:45:15,800
Speaker 1: but they're not really the same player like Lamar. You

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01:45:16,040 --> 01:45:19,400
Speaker 1: they run you know, their go to plays counterbash, which

2092
01:45:19,439 --> 01:45:22,759
Speaker 1: is a readoption counterplay with Lamar, and like it doesn't

2093
01:45:23,200 --> 01:45:25,640
Speaker 1: you have to know how to design these types of plays, right,

2094
01:45:25,680 --> 01:45:28,040
Speaker 1: they have guys coming in motion, they have three tight

2095
01:45:28,160 --> 01:45:30,639
Speaker 1: end packages, and you better have a guy like Mark

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01:45:30,680 --> 01:45:33,439
Speaker 1: Andrews too, right, you know, because it's just and you

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01:45:33,520 --> 01:45:35,800
Speaker 1: have to you know, you'd have to remake the whole.

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01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:38,840
Speaker 1: You really have to attack the middle of the field

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01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:40,719
Speaker 1: in the passing game because he's not a great thrower

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01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:43,720
Speaker 1: outside the numbers. So like that's why Mark Andrews is

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01:45:43,720 --> 01:45:45,360
Speaker 1: so valuable to him, is because he wins in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the field. So like, you just have to

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01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:50,680
Speaker 1: completely build out an entirely different offense. And I just

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01:45:50,720 --> 01:45:53,000
Speaker 1: don't know if so just build buy himself a few

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01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:55,519
Speaker 1: more years if he brings the Lamar's assens and takes

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01:45:55,560 --> 01:45:57,439
Speaker 1: a while, I mean, you know, and I want to

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01:45:57,439 --> 01:45:59,360
Speaker 1: go back to something real quick for it is you know,

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01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:00,840
Speaker 1: I had to call her who said, you know, I'm

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01:46:00,840 --> 01:46:03,000
Speaker 1: willing to watch losing seasons with Bill, like, like, this

2110
01:46:03,200 --> 01:46:04,800
Speaker 1: is a whole other element. And I'm sure there are

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01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:06,760
Speaker 1: plenty of fans out there that just want to give

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01:46:06,760 --> 01:46:09,080
Speaker 1: Bill his due and let him walk, But the owners

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01:46:09,120 --> 01:46:12,120
Speaker 1: of the franchise have to like keep interest up and

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01:46:12,200 --> 01:46:14,559
Speaker 1: keep the energy up. And you know, as much as

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01:46:14,560 --> 01:46:16,320
Speaker 1: it might sound nice to some people to just give

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01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:17,960
Speaker 1: Bill his due and let him, you know, do whatever

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01:46:17,960 --> 01:46:19,360
Speaker 1: he wants over the last few years, like they gotta

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01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:21,120
Speaker 1: sell tickets, like they have to, like, you know, and

2119
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:23,759
Speaker 1: a move like that, of course it's not gonna happen,

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01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:26,360
Speaker 1: but you know, something like that, that's well, that's what

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01:46:26,479 --> 01:46:29,560
Speaker 1: gets everybody back on board. Maybe, like like if you

2122
01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:31,960
Speaker 1: want a dream, it could be more realistic and say

2123
01:46:31,960 --> 01:46:34,800
Speaker 1: like DeAndre Hopkins maybe like you know, it's a number

2124
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:38,400
Speaker 1: one receiver like that. I think that's far more realistic.

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01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:39,720
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're the Ravens, like, how do you

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01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:42,479
Speaker 1: just let that guy walk out the door? I just don't.

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01:46:42,720 --> 01:46:44,960
Speaker 1: Well you, I mean, like you said, you design your

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01:46:45,000 --> 01:46:47,200
Speaker 1: whole offense around him. Like I think that's probably why

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01:46:47,240 --> 01:46:49,599
Speaker 1: he's pushing his luck with it a little bit, because

2130
01:46:49,640 --> 01:46:51,760
Speaker 1: it's like, what are you gonna do. You're gonna get

2131
01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:53,240
Speaker 1: rid of me and then get rid of your whole

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01:46:53,280 --> 01:46:55,719
Speaker 1: offense and get you know, and completely start over on offense.

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01:46:55,760 --> 01:46:58,320
Speaker 1: It's right. I think the Ravens value continuity a lot,

2134
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:02,160
Speaker 1: Nathan writes in catching up on all the content I

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01:47:02,200 --> 01:47:04,160
Speaker 1: missed this past week. So I apologize that this has

2136
01:47:04,160 --> 01:47:06,519
Speaker 1: already been brought up. But how much has this past

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01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:11,599
Speaker 1: season changed your overall opinion of coach Belichick? If at all? Um,

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01:47:12,680 --> 01:47:14,200
Speaker 1: I think he I think he made a bad call.

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01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:16,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I still think he's, you know,

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01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:19,320
Speaker 1: an outstanding coach. And you know I still want him. Yeah,

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01:47:19,320 --> 01:47:22,040
Speaker 1: I still you know, wanted to. I wish that, you know,

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01:47:22,120 --> 01:47:24,719
Speaker 1: you could continue to tap his experience and his knowledge,

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01:47:24,720 --> 01:47:27,479
Speaker 1: and you know, I just I for me, like we

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01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:30,439
Speaker 1: get into Patriots fans getting so worked up about everything,

2145
01:47:30,600 --> 01:47:33,200
Speaker 1: you know, just but when I hear other people in

2146
01:47:33,240 --> 01:47:36,759
Speaker 1: the NFL just talk in strictly football teams about Bill Belichick,

2147
01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:40,479
Speaker 1: just they get it, you know, Like like you can't

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01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:42,360
Speaker 1: tell me that, oh, he's an idiot. He doesn't like

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01:47:42,439 --> 01:47:44,479
Speaker 1: he is, Like I mean, at this point, he's a

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01:47:44,479 --> 01:47:46,680
Speaker 1: living legend as far as the NFL is concerned. So

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01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:49,120
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want that to be over. But

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01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:51,360
Speaker 1: this was a bad year. This is a bad year,

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01:47:51,439 --> 01:47:54,120
Speaker 1: and I don't really blame that. I'm tired of having

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01:47:54,160 --> 01:47:56,559
Speaker 1: the greatest coach for everyone. No, he's I mean, but

2155
01:47:56,640 --> 01:47:58,719
Speaker 1: you know, but these he's look, he's he can make mistakes.

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01:47:58,760 --> 01:48:00,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a hard That's what I want. I

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01:48:00,240 --> 01:48:02,120
Speaker 1: wanted to stay and I want him to admit I

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01:48:02,200 --> 01:48:04,920
Speaker 1: gotta do something different, that's it. Yeah, I want him

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01:48:04,920 --> 01:48:08,680
Speaker 1: to admit it. Yeah, And I this is exactly, this

2160
01:48:08,760 --> 01:48:10,800
Speaker 1: is exactly what I was talking about to you guys

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01:48:10,800 --> 01:48:15,240
Speaker 1: off the air. Maybe we need some accountability. Yeah, and

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01:48:15,280 --> 01:48:18,160
Speaker 1: I think that maybe we get it. Maybe if we're lucky,

2163
01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:21,560
Speaker 1: we'll get it. After the season's officially over, right, And

2164
01:48:22,439 --> 01:48:25,559
Speaker 1: usually that next day press conference he always goes back on,

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01:48:25,720 --> 01:48:27,960
Speaker 1: well we just got off the field. Yes, right, guys,

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01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:30,040
Speaker 1: you know what are we talking about? But at some

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01:48:30,120 --> 01:48:32,880
Speaker 1: point in time, and it could be that he never

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01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:35,120
Speaker 1: actually comes out and says it, but they just hire

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01:48:35,160 --> 01:48:39,519
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien and I will speak louder than the words, right. Yeah. Also, Fred,

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Speaker 1: I remember earlier this season when you said you were

2171
01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:45,720
Speaker 1: feeling bullish about the offense. How times have changed. This

2172
01:48:45,760 --> 01:48:49,120
Speaker 1: isn't criticism. I completely bought into your theory back then.

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01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:51,880
Speaker 1: I was wrong. In the beginning of the season. I

2174
01:48:51,920 --> 01:48:53,920
Speaker 1: was more worried about the defense. In the offense, I

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01:48:53,960 --> 01:48:56,920
Speaker 1: felt they had the tools on offense to be good,

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01:48:57,080 --> 01:49:00,240
Speaker 1: not great good. And I was worried about the defense

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01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:03,320
Speaker 1: because you know, you lost J. C. Jackson, who was

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01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:05,600
Speaker 1: going to emerge, you know, ouch, we didn't know what

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get out of him. We didn't know. We

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01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:10,559
Speaker 1: didn't know if Judon, if the fade was real, if

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01:49:10,640 --> 01:49:11,960
Speaker 1: you know, how he was gonna you know, so there

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01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:15,160
Speaker 1: were to me, there were a lot more questions going

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01:49:15,200 --> 01:49:17,960
Speaker 1: in on defense. You know, on offense, I was excited

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01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:20,000
Speaker 1: about having Parker. I thought he was only going to

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01:49:20,080 --> 01:49:22,680
Speaker 1: make the offense better Mac Jones in his second year,

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01:49:22,760 --> 01:49:26,479
Speaker 1: and I was wrong. You know, flip it, it's the opposite. Now.

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01:49:26,520 --> 01:49:29,720
Speaker 1: The defense is the only reason you're competitive, Yeah, you know.

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01:49:29,720 --> 01:49:32,360
Speaker 1: And also you know, throw in the opponents that we

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01:49:32,360 --> 01:49:34,120
Speaker 1: were looking at, and I mean we're in at the

2190
01:49:34,120 --> 01:49:35,840
Speaker 1: tail end of this gauntlet that they've been going through

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01:49:35,840 --> 01:49:39,000
Speaker 1: where every week it's another top receiver. I mean, I

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01:49:39,080 --> 01:49:40,720
Speaker 1: was with you, Fred, and I think you know we

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01:49:40,760 --> 01:49:43,040
Speaker 1: all agree. I still think the offense is better than

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01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:47,080
Speaker 1: it's showing up talent. I think they're underperforming absolutely. You know,

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01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:49,600
Speaker 1: the attention to detail on offenses what bugs me the

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01:49:49,640 --> 01:49:53,480
Speaker 1: most since not only is it from a situational standpoint,

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01:49:53,520 --> 01:49:56,400
Speaker 1: like knowing the play when they checked to a screen

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01:49:56,479 --> 01:49:58,800
Speaker 1: on a blitz by, also like the route running that

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01:49:58,840 --> 01:50:02,000
Speaker 1: I've been talking about a lot, spacing, the actual technique

2200
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:04,559
Speaker 1: of the route like put I got into it yesterday

2201
01:50:04,560 --> 01:50:06,720
Speaker 1: on Twitter about the stupid play action pass and I

2202
01:50:06,720 --> 01:50:10,320
Speaker 1: wish I've been I've been trying to walk away more

2203
01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:13,600
Speaker 1: this season, and I got into it with everybody on

2204
01:50:13,720 --> 01:50:16,400
Speaker 1: it and they're like, he's late, He's late to the throw,

2205
01:50:16,439 --> 01:50:19,240
Speaker 1: and it's like, that's because when Jacoby Myers comes off

2206
01:50:19,240 --> 01:50:21,800
Speaker 1: the line, he gives a little hop step, then he

2207
01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:24,200
Speaker 1: gives like six head fakes, and then he decides to

2208
01:50:24,240 --> 01:50:26,479
Speaker 1: actually break on the route. Like the amount of time

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01:50:26,520 --> 01:50:28,960
Speaker 1: it takes for these guys to actually get into the

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01:50:29,080 --> 01:50:33,320
Speaker 1: route and declare if they're breaking inside or out based

2211
01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:36,320
Speaker 1: off of the option that they have is it's the

2212
01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:38,880
Speaker 1: timing of the whole thing is such a major issue.

2213
01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:42,200
Speaker 1: And that, to me is why I'm disappointed in Belichick

2214
01:50:42,640 --> 01:50:45,160
Speaker 1: is because that type of quality control stuff, I thought

2215
01:50:45,200 --> 01:50:49,559
Speaker 1: he would have his fingerprints on. Right. So, okay, maybe

2216
01:50:49,960 --> 01:50:53,040
Speaker 1: you know a wide receiving core of DeVante Parker and

2217
01:50:53,120 --> 01:50:55,840
Speaker 1: Jacoby Myers and born in Agalore and the two times

2218
01:50:55,840 --> 01:50:58,479
Speaker 1: maybe that's not an elite passing attack, and maybe Max's

2219
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:02,439
Speaker 1: not an elite quarterback, but everything would be buttoned up right,

2220
01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:05,160
Speaker 1: and it's so far from buttoned up that now they're

2221
01:51:05,400 --> 01:51:08,519
Speaker 1: they're underperforming right this group. Yes, And that's I'd tie

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01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:10,599
Speaker 1: that to the last question too, which is that the

2223
01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:13,400
Speaker 1: thing that's distressed distressing about this all is you know,

2224
01:51:13,439 --> 01:51:14,920
Speaker 1: just the things that you've come to believe about a

2225
01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:16,840
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick coach team that they're you know, not going

2226
01:51:16,920 --> 01:51:19,080
Speaker 1: to take a bunch of prestap stupid penalties, that they

2227
01:51:19,080 --> 01:51:21,400
Speaker 1: are going to be hammering down on the details that

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01:51:21,640 --> 01:51:23,120
Speaker 1: you know, those are the things that they're going to

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01:51:23,200 --> 01:51:25,840
Speaker 1: do to overcome the talent gap. But you know, I

2230
01:51:25,840 --> 01:51:27,360
Speaker 1: think going in the season, you know, Fred and I

2231
01:51:27,400 --> 01:51:29,880
Speaker 1: were like, well, I mean, if you if you're able

2232
01:51:29,960 --> 01:51:32,040
Speaker 1: to tap down in the cornerback depth and you've got

2233
01:51:32,040 --> 01:51:34,320
Speaker 1: you know, Jacobe Meyers lined up against their number three

2234
01:51:34,439 --> 01:51:36,160
Speaker 1: or then before like you know, you got Hunter Henry

2235
01:51:36,160 --> 01:51:37,920
Speaker 1: and he started like you know, you felt like you

2236
01:51:37,960 --> 01:51:39,600
Speaker 1: had some options that you could at least play with

2237
01:51:39,640 --> 01:51:42,160
Speaker 1: even without that big number one fret those matchups and

2238
01:51:42,200 --> 01:51:44,719
Speaker 1: the other thing I was wrong on And I honestly

2239
01:51:44,760 --> 01:51:48,600
Speaker 1: thought that having Judge in Patricia on offense wasn't a

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01:51:48,600 --> 01:51:51,400
Speaker 1: bad thing. That they would be okay, you know, because

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01:51:51,400 --> 01:51:54,479
Speaker 1: they had that overall experience seeing a team from the

2242
01:51:54,560 --> 01:51:57,439
Speaker 1: highest level, and they take that experience to you know,

2243
01:51:57,439 --> 01:52:00,200
Speaker 1: their new jobs. And you know, I don't know how

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01:52:00,200 --> 01:52:03,000
Speaker 1: good a job Joe Judge is doing, honestly, Like how

2245
01:52:03,000 --> 01:52:05,200
Speaker 1: do you even know? But like you know, Mac isn't

2246
01:52:05,200 --> 01:52:08,479
Speaker 1: doing well, so then he's the quarterback coach. Ergo, he

2247
01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:10,679
Speaker 1: must not be, you know, so like it's hard to tell.

2248
01:52:10,760 --> 01:52:13,880
Speaker 1: But I was wrong there too, you know, just going

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01:52:13,960 --> 01:52:16,080
Speaker 1: back to training camp with Joe Judge because I think

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01:52:16,080 --> 01:52:18,800
Speaker 1: it's an interesting question of how involved is he and

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01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:22,040
Speaker 1: how much should we blame him for what's going on.

2252
01:52:22,080 --> 01:52:26,240
Speaker 1: But remember out at camp, they because Matt Patricia was

2253
01:52:26,280 --> 01:52:29,240
Speaker 1: working with the offensive line so much, it did seem

2254
01:52:29,320 --> 01:52:31,760
Speaker 1: like that Joe Judge was kind of the passing game

2255
01:52:31,800 --> 01:52:34,720
Speaker 1: coordinator for a period of time there. And then we

2256
01:52:34,720 --> 01:52:37,200
Speaker 1: were just out at practice just now and they allowed

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01:52:37,240 --> 01:52:39,200
Speaker 1: us to watch just a little bit of extra practice

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01:52:39,240 --> 01:52:43,320
Speaker 1: and Joe Judge was working with the quarterbacks and receivers,

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01:52:43,320 --> 01:52:45,120
Speaker 1: and Matt Patricia was on the other side with the

2260
01:52:45,160 --> 01:52:49,360
Speaker 1: offensive lineman, so I think from it now, they were

2261
01:52:49,360 --> 01:52:51,920
Speaker 1: throwing against air, so it's not like they're actually getting

2262
01:52:51,960 --> 01:52:55,280
Speaker 1: into real offense at that point. But it is interesting

2263
01:52:55,320 --> 01:52:58,360
Speaker 1: that the guy coaching up the little details of what's

2264
01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:02,040
Speaker 1: going on from a from a passing games standpoint was

2265
01:53:02,200 --> 01:53:05,960
Speaker 1: Joe Judge, It wasn't Matt Patricia, right, Bob writes, and

2266
01:53:06,040 --> 01:53:09,160
Speaker 1: has Bill ever replaced a coordinator before the coordinator left

2267
01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:11,599
Speaker 1: on their own. It seems that nobody has ever been

2268
01:53:11,680 --> 01:53:14,439
Speaker 1: fired or released, only leaving for a head coaching gig.

2269
01:53:14,880 --> 01:53:17,720
Speaker 1: That's the case, then we're going to watch Patricia's send

2270
01:53:17,800 --> 01:53:20,320
Speaker 1: in plays for a long time. No team's going to

2271
01:53:20,360 --> 01:53:22,400
Speaker 1: be knocking on his door for a head coaching job

2272
01:53:22,439 --> 01:53:25,120
Speaker 1: anytime soon. All we can do is put faith into

2273
01:53:25,200 --> 01:53:29,160
Speaker 1: Bill's decisions and hopefully they work out like they mostly do. Um.

2274
01:53:29,840 --> 01:53:34,320
Speaker 1: I'm not sure Hessey ever, Yeah, Dave Googs, but the

2275
01:53:34,560 --> 01:53:38,280
Speaker 1: offensive line coach. You've only had two offensive coordinators three sorry,

2276
01:53:38,320 --> 01:53:41,559
Speaker 1: three offensive coordinators in twenty years, and defensive corners three two.

2277
01:53:41,640 --> 01:53:44,880
Speaker 1: I think what Cornell Demps and Dean Pace is the

2278
01:53:44,920 --> 01:53:49,400
Speaker 1: other guys four. Sorry for DMP's just kind of disappeared. Yeah, honestly,

2279
01:53:49,680 --> 01:53:52,280
Speaker 1: they still but has gone on to coach. No, he's

2280
01:53:52,280 --> 01:53:55,080
Speaker 1: a good coach. I'm just saying, right, I don't think

2281
01:53:55,120 --> 01:53:58,120
Speaker 1: that the word firing never leaves this building, right, Like,

2282
01:53:58,200 --> 01:54:00,240
Speaker 1: you're never going to hear a report of like so

2283
01:54:00,439 --> 01:54:02,800
Speaker 1: and so got fired by Bill Belichick because they're very

2284
01:54:02,840 --> 01:54:05,680
Speaker 1: careful about how they word it. But Dean Peace just

2285
01:54:05,960 --> 01:54:09,799
Speaker 1: faded into dust right after twelve, after the twelve eleven

2286
01:54:09,920 --> 01:54:13,840
Speaker 1: or twelve. Yeah, and he goes to m Ravens, right

2287
01:54:14,200 --> 01:54:16,960
Speaker 1: the Ravens and then and then subsequently beat us and

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Speaker 1: and Patricia takes over the defense at that point. So

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Speaker 1: they've definitely it hasn't been a ton, but they've definitely

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01:54:23,840 --> 01:54:26,719
Speaker 1: had guys that have just you know, Googs was probably

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01:54:26,760 --> 01:54:29,400
Speaker 1: the best example of somebody that was truly fired after

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01:54:29,479 --> 01:54:31,559
Speaker 1: that season, and it was also because Dante came back.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I remember seeing Googs. That was like probably

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Speaker 1: the last game of the season. We're in Miami and

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01:54:38,240 --> 01:54:40,760
Speaker 1: I'm walking down the street and he's like in front

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Speaker 1: of this restaurant with some people. I'm like, hey, Googs,

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Speaker 1: I'll see you next year. He goes, I don't know,

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01:54:45,720 --> 01:54:49,400
Speaker 1: so he knew the writing was on the wall, knew

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01:54:49,880 --> 01:54:51,920
Speaker 1: was on the wall. He was a good guy, though,

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01:54:52,320 --> 01:54:55,800
Speaker 1: um Tony writes in um, so maybe it's time for

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01:54:55,920 --> 01:54:59,440
Speaker 1: coach to make new friends, bringing outsiders instead of grooming

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Speaker 1: guys who are gophers, taking him to the airport, getting coffee,

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01:55:02,920 --> 01:55:06,520
Speaker 1: breaking down film, then unpaid assistance, then assistance to the

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Speaker 1: assistant regional manager and office reference, then assistant coach then

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01:55:10,440 --> 01:55:14,000
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. Yeah, I mean there is something to

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01:55:14,080 --> 01:55:18,080
Speaker 1: be said, Like, you know, when you get into the

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01:55:18,160 --> 01:55:20,920
Speaker 1: psyche of who Bill Belichick is, you know his his

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01:55:21,840 --> 01:55:24,520
Speaker 1: you know what makes him in what he thinks he

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01:55:24,680 --> 01:55:27,720
Speaker 1: looks for in other people. I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: it is he the way he rose up, is the

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01:55:30,240 --> 01:55:32,200
Speaker 1: way he likes other people that rose up. You know,

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01:55:32,360 --> 01:55:34,920
Speaker 1: he famously talks about making twenty five dollars a week

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01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:37,440
Speaker 1: and sleeping on the floor in Baltimore, you know when

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01:55:37,480 --> 01:55:41,160
Speaker 1: he worked for the Colts, and you know, like he

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01:55:41,320 --> 01:55:44,640
Speaker 1: wants other people to kind of go through those steps

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01:55:45,120 --> 01:55:47,800
Speaker 1: as well. It seems, you know, he likes that where

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01:55:47,800 --> 01:55:51,000
Speaker 1: you start as low level and you kind of learn

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01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:53,920
Speaker 1: a lot. You don't just learn one thing about the team.

2319
01:55:53,960 --> 01:55:56,880
Speaker 1: You learn a lot of things and then eventually you're

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01:55:56,920 --> 01:55:59,720
Speaker 1: given a position. I think out where Barbelio was before this,

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01:55:59,840 --> 01:56:01,560
Speaker 1: but I mean he he would have been kind of

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Speaker 1: around a little bit. I mean still kind of came

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01:56:03,560 --> 01:56:05,200
Speaker 1: in as like an offensive. He came in and they

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01:56:05,240 --> 01:56:07,720
Speaker 1: wouldn't give him a He didn't get the title right away,

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Speaker 1: you know, um, yeah, that was there. There have been

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Speaker 1: cases where they always just like this, like twenty three

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01:56:13,680 --> 01:56:17,800
Speaker 1: year old kid right out of school that you graduates, Yeah,

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01:56:17,960 --> 01:56:20,800
Speaker 1: like it's it's you still find something googly elbows one

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01:56:20,840 --> 01:56:23,600
Speaker 1: of those examples, and then they didn't. I just think

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Speaker 1: that O'Brien to me, and that's why I love it

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01:56:27,760 --> 01:56:31,120
Speaker 1: so much. As for them, is because he's not a pushover. Right,

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01:56:31,200 --> 01:56:33,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. He's not a yes man, just because

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01:56:33,360 --> 01:56:35,720
Speaker 1: he's got ties to Bill and he's got options to

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Speaker 1: go anywhere that he wants. Not anywhere, but a lot

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01:56:37,800 --> 01:56:40,120
Speaker 1: of places that he would want to go. So if

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Speaker 1: Bill's telling him to do one thing and he doesn't

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Speaker 1: want to do it, he doesn't have to be here,

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Speaker 1: ye right. And the second thing I would just say is,

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01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:51,280
Speaker 1: you know, I just want Bill to take an approach

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01:56:51,560 --> 01:56:54,680
Speaker 1: that Nick Saban has taken in recent years where he

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01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:57,440
Speaker 1: knows he's defense, right, Like, Nick Saban knows that his

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01:56:57,520 --> 01:56:59,720
Speaker 1: strength is on the defensive side of the ball. So

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01:57:00,120 --> 01:57:04,240
Speaker 1: on offense, he's getting name brand coordinators. He's not messing around, right.

2344
01:57:04,280 --> 01:57:07,760
Speaker 1: He goes from Lane Kiffin to Sarkisian to Bill O'Brien,

2345
01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:11,280
Speaker 1: and he's getting guys that are basically head coaches of

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01:57:11,360 --> 01:57:13,800
Speaker 1: your offense, right like, and that's what Josh was when

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01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:16,360
Speaker 1: he was here. So I don't think it necessarily needs

2348
01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:18,880
Speaker 1: to be branching out from the tree, so to speak.

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01:57:19,080 --> 01:57:21,320
Speaker 1: He just needs to get somebody that has that type

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01:57:21,360 --> 01:57:23,320
Speaker 1: of metal. Yeah, he's a filth head coach too. We

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01:57:23,400 --> 01:57:27,680
Speaker 1: love those, yeah, sure. M Pat will end the show

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Speaker 1: with Patrick pat an Agawam's email us. It's in response

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01:57:33,320 --> 01:57:36,440
Speaker 1: to Mark's caller on caller crime. He says, with all

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01:57:36,520 --> 01:57:39,360
Speaker 1: due respect to Mark and the email are making a

2355
01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:41,760
Speaker 1: big stink about the same five call as calling in

2356
01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:44,960
Speaker 1: stopping a pussy, pull your respective heads out of your

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01:57:45,000 --> 01:57:48,240
Speaker 1: asses and call in. Oh and make sure you're interesting,

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01:57:48,920 --> 01:57:51,880
Speaker 1: all right, So there you go. I love our call. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Keith, they I mean, we relying on them. I

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01:57:54,160 --> 01:57:57,840
Speaker 1: greatly appreciate when everybody calls them. Sure, all right, that's

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Speaker 1: gonna be it for this edition of Paid It's Unfiltered

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Speaker 1: on a Wednesday. We'll see you everyone tomorrow. Tomorrow. We've

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