Speaker 1: This is Frosted Tips with Lance Bass and I Heart
Speaker 1: Radio Podcast. Hello, my little peanuts, it's me your host,
Speaker 1: Lance Bass. This is Frosted Tips of me Lance Bass
Speaker 1: with my lovely, beautiful, handsome co host Michael Churchin.
Speaker 2: That's it, no other adject I'm just kidding. That was
Speaker 2: very nice, you babe. Thank you, and I'm happy to
Speaker 2: be here.
Speaker 3: That's another. Let's start this week.
Speaker 1: We've had requests to not just go right into the interview,
Speaker 1: because you know, we we go along in these interviews.
Speaker 1: So I want to get as many questions as I
Speaker 1: can with these these teen idols for you guys. But
Speaker 1: I guess apparently you want to hear from us too.
Speaker 1: I mean, who knew so Turkey? Yeah, you have some
Speaker 1: questions here I do. Let's get into Evin.
Speaker 3: There's also a question for me.
Speaker 1: I know I have one for you because people want
Speaker 1: to know you, Okay, they do.
Speaker 3: They want to really get to know you. Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so wondered. Okay, But the first question for
Speaker 2: you Lance from Rats Ruby r Z. I loved your
Speaker 2: wedding special. This is how she talks? Was you ever
Speaker 2: considered doing a reality show?
Speaker 3: Where is she from? Exactly? I don't know. How do
Speaker 3: they talk like the.
Speaker 1: It sounds like your your blueth Iceland character mixed with
Speaker 1: someone from Georgia in eighteen eighty eight.
Speaker 2: Well, she's from Georgia in eighth and eighty eight, but
Speaker 2: she spent a summa in Iceland. He loves the auction
Speaker 2: and has adopted as her personality.
Speaker 1: We gotta get Rachel on the show. She sounds very interesting.
Speaker 1: It's all right, all right. The wedding special, Yes, loved
Speaker 1: doing that. It took us a while to agree to
Speaker 1: do that because you know, in this business, when you
Speaker 1: do a wedding special, and especially a ten year anniversary
Speaker 1: remarry thing, what do you call that? Oh, you do
Speaker 1: your vowel. It's never a good thing for the wedding.
Speaker 1: It's like the kiss of death for a relationship. So
Speaker 1: that's what always went through my head. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: if we have a wedding special, that's just like the
Speaker 1: kiss of death, and that's just you know, asking to
Speaker 1: get divorced in the next next year. But then, you know,
Speaker 1: we got convinced to do it because of the bigger picture.
Speaker 1: You know, it's the first you know, gay wedding special
Speaker 1: on television, and I felt like that's you know, people
Speaker 1: youn't need to see that, especially if a family from
Speaker 1: my hometown of Mississippi, you know where, and especially at
Speaker 1: that time, same sex marriage was not even legal, so
Speaker 1: you know, we were still trying to convince people that
Speaker 1: we're not going to destroy the world if we get
Speaker 1: married to the person that we love. So I'm very
Speaker 1: happy that we ended up doing that. I wish I
Speaker 1: could go back and enjoy it a little more because
Speaker 1: it just really and all of those that are married,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you have the same feeling. It just flew
Speaker 1: by so quickly and you're talking to everyone and you
Speaker 1: just you don't know, you don't really get to enjoy
Speaker 1: the moment because you're kind of there for everyone else.
Speaker 1: So I think if we went back, I would really
Speaker 1: enjoy the moment more, and I would actually eat something.
Speaker 1: I know, I would actually have a drink and have
Speaker 1: a drink drink.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, I loved it, and look our
Speaker 1: ten years coming up, so maybe we can Oh wait, no,
Speaker 1: that's the kiuse of death.
Speaker 3: We can't do that. Well, we're not going to televise it.
Speaker 3: Oh no, true, we're not going to You're a renewal,
Speaker 3: it's just going to be an anniversary part.
Speaker 1: Now I'm one of those people think that's so cheesy.
Speaker 3: It's so cheesy. Just have a party. Just have a party.
Speaker 3: You don't get a renew anything, like you're married. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we're good. Death to your part.
Speaker 1: If you've done it, great, that's all. It's just not
Speaker 1: for me.
Speaker 2: And if you're into it, I guess yeah, if you
Speaker 2: want everything about you.
Speaker 1: And would we ever consider doing a reality show? Oh,
Speaker 1: we've considered it many times.
Speaker 3: But we said no, no, many, many, many times. I
Speaker 3: don't think I would ever want to like be like
Speaker 3: part of a reality show. We're like where the subject.
Speaker 1: Just does exactly agreed. If it was now with kids,
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't want them to have that exposure.
Speaker 3: If it was like our other I don't know. Like
Speaker 3: for me, like if I was somehow a housewife and
Speaker 3: it was asked to be the Housewise of Beverly Hills
Speaker 3: is the only reality show I'd.
Speaker 1: Ever join in my entire life. Oh God, you'd be
Speaker 1: so good on housewives, I know. I think that's the
Speaker 1: way you could get vander pump back on Housewives of
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. If you joined with her, I think she
Speaker 1: would totally to come back for.
Speaker 3: You would h well, we need to and Andy here
Speaker 3: groundbreaking Michael.
Speaker 1: If you could be a member of any boy band,
Speaker 1: which one would you choose?
Speaker 3: And why? Oh wow?
Speaker 2: I to be honest, I would have I would pick
Speaker 2: a uh like I Forgot Boys. No, I wouldn't actually
Speaker 2: know what's where Harry styles is from one direction. One direction.
Speaker 2: You didn't have to dance, And even though I know
Speaker 2: I would have loved to dance, like dancing, was.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, because you're a good dancer. Yeah, but no,
Speaker 3: I would have picked.
Speaker 1: What they call it, one direction, one d You're not
Speaker 1: a real fan. I wasn't really like what they were
Speaker 1: called directions.
Speaker 3: We're not going to talk about it. I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the contraction, but because yeah, they didn't have to
Speaker 4: dance much and they weren't screwed over so insanely in
Speaker 4: their contracts, they actually made a lot of money during their.
Speaker 1: I hope, so I hope that's not just what they say.
Speaker 3: But yeah they say they make no I think they
Speaker 3: made no.
Speaker 1: I mean they because again they came from TV and
Speaker 1: just kind of like to get into it.
Speaker 3: They weren't they were, like, you know, kind of later
Speaker 3: in the boy band thing, so like they were protected
Speaker 3: way more. They didn't have a loop Perroman taking all
Speaker 3: their money. So like that's why they all had like
Speaker 3: real nice houses.
Speaker 2: Real Listen, I just want to have a a So
Speaker 2: you're a lot of money for the money and the fame, Listen,
Speaker 2: you guys went through a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3: I don't want to have to go through all that.
Speaker 1: All right, here's another question, our last one before you
Speaker 1: get it to Dan Miller from Avy Gay Eye.
Speaker 3: Hiller, I love them.
Speaker 1: What's a part of parenting that you didn't expect that
Speaker 1: I didn't expect.
Speaker 3: I oh, I kind of expected everything. Yeah, nothing really surprised.
Speaker 3: There's nothing. I thought I would have to wake up
Speaker 3: in the middle of the night way more. I thought
Speaker 3: at this age they'd be screaming all the time, having
Speaker 3: nightmares and stuff like that, and.
Speaker 1: So I thought we were because you always hear that,
Speaker 1: especially toddlers. They're always sick, right, They're always passive playing
Speaker 1: in the playgroup, they always have a cold, they're always
Speaker 1: passing into the parents.
Speaker 3: Our kids have not been sick. I know I've been sick.
Speaker 3: You've been sick. I think they've gotten they've not been sick.
Speaker 1: They hold it well. If they're sick, you don't know it. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: they'll have a little running nose, but they I agree.
Speaker 1: I thought that we would be doing many nights at
Speaker 1: three in the morning giving if they can't breathe, they're crying.
Speaker 3: They're miserable, they have a fever. We're going right.
Speaker 1: Now because I mean, yeah, so far, it's been twenty
Speaker 1: months and I might have seen them sick one time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't need that.
Speaker 1: But they have not started school yet. And that's where
Speaker 1: I hear that it all goes down because those kids.
Speaker 3: Are gross sick thick.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, let's take a little break when we
Speaker 1: come back. See that was that's good talking at.
Speaker 3: The beginning, right. I think you learned a lot about it.
Speaker 3: We learned so much. Thank you.
Speaker 2: I would like to be Harry's Styles, Yeah is what
Speaker 2: That's what I should have said.
Speaker 1: I wish you were Harry Styles.
Speaker 3: All right, let's take a little break.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 1: Now I'm just saying it would be good for you
Speaker 1: because you would have a really let's go to the break.
Speaker 1: Amazing career going on right now. You go to this
Speaker 1: break would have dated Taylor Swift. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: wish that.
Speaker 3: I wish you were Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1: I wish I was Taylor Swift too. Okay, well, all right,
Speaker 1: let's get out to a break. When we come back,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have Otown's Dan Miller on frosted dips. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get into this.
Speaker 3: Let's do it, all right.
Speaker 1: Daniel Mark Miller was born in New Hampshire but raised
Speaker 1: most of his life in Ohio. He's been singing and
Speaker 1: dancing since he was young. Dan is the eldest of
Speaker 1: four children from a non musical family. When he was
Speaker 1: about nineteen or twenty years old, he auditioned for the
Speaker 1: band Otown, but didn't make it. Okay, really, Inspio, we
Speaker 1: can't figure if he was nineteen twenty. I think we
Speaker 1: could easily go to Google and find the south. Shortly afterwards,
Speaker 1: one of Otown's group's members made the choice to quit
Speaker 1: and leave. Luke Pearwlman and the rest of otown group
Speaker 1: members all picked Dan to be a Kaika's replacement. He
Speaker 1: has been writing music, touring, performing and singing with the
Speaker 1: group ever since. Dan Miller, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 6: Lanson Michael, thank you for having me real quick. I
Speaker 6: am officially the most boring person you've ever had on
Speaker 6: this show.
Speaker 5: I just want to get it out there.
Speaker 6: I think it will be painfully obvious to everybody moving.
Speaker 5: Forward that I'm the most lame pop star in the
Speaker 5: history of the world.
Speaker 1: You've obviously not met mister Joey Fatone.
Speaker 3: It's pretty lame, pretty lame as it comes.
Speaker 1: With boy band members, Dan, I'm so excited to have you.
Speaker 1: We I've been asking the fans, who do we think
Speaker 1: what boy band is going to be completed on frosted
Speaker 1: tips And we're almost done with Otown, so we have
Speaker 1: one more to go, So you guys might be the one.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean, we're pretty easy to get a hold up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think is that? I think.
Speaker 5: I don't know if that's a good thing. I think
Speaker 5: I think we're just we're just easy. Can you reach
Speaker 5: out to us?
Speaker 3: Lance, We're there for you and I love that so much.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: Speaking of band members, we always like to do this
Speaker 1: at the top of the show. If you were to
Speaker 1: text your band members right now, who do you think
Speaker 1: would be the first to text your back? And I
Speaker 1: think you should try it right now, just to prove it. Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: get in there. You have to don't say your own
Speaker 1: frosted tips. They're probably gonna gotcha. Yeah, but you got
Speaker 1: to say some random obscure question.
Speaker 5: It's going to be Jacob, that's what it would be.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, it's going to be Jacob. It's mainly
Speaker 5: because I've already yeah, I've only I've.
Speaker 6: Already texted Jacob like fifteen times this morning, so I'm
Speaker 6: pretty sure he will be the first one.
Speaker 1: Well in the band, do you think you and Jacob
Speaker 1: were the closest in the band or did you all
Speaker 1: have kind of the same relationship.
Speaker 5: I mean, we all kind of had the same relationship.
Speaker 5: It's funny because Trevor and I are like the two
Speaker 5: most different people in the world you could ever imagine.
Speaker 5: Like Trevor is like.
Speaker 6: Like always on, always, always alive, and I really don't
Speaker 6: like people at all. When I when I got married,
Speaker 6: when I got married twenty years ago, Trevor was the
Speaker 6: only member of the band who I asked to be
Speaker 6: in my bridal party. So, but now our relationship is
Speaker 6: a lot different now than it was twenty years ago.
Speaker 6: We're all we all have like our own unique relationships
Speaker 6: and we're all pretty much equally close.
Speaker 5: I would say, yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1: I mean I've I joined your Pop two thousand tour
Speaker 1: for a bit and it was so much fun. I
Speaker 1: love what y'all been doing. And this tour just keeps
Speaker 1: going and going. And now boy Chris Kirkpatrick is on
Speaker 1: the road with you.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 1: How is Chris doing?
Speaker 3: Is he? Is he annoying you yet? Are you about
Speaker 3: to kick him away?
Speaker 5: I mean he's always annoying. Yes, yeah, that's okay, He's
Speaker 5: always annoying.
Speaker 6: We've had like a little issue recently where like we've
Speaker 6: been doing We've been doing instinct choreography the same for
Speaker 6: six years, right, but now Chris is like before every
Speaker 6: show he.
Speaker 5: Kind of like, second guess is what the actual choreography is?
Speaker 6: And he comes He's like, I think it's like this,
Speaker 6: and so we're trying to We're like, I mean, this
Speaker 6: is your stuff, so like we should like whatever you
Speaker 6: want to do, just let us know.
Speaker 5: He changes his mind pretty much every other show.
Speaker 6: We have to like adapt on the fly and then
Speaker 6: we change it, and then in the show he still
Speaker 6: does it.
Speaker 5: He'll go the wrong way or something.
Speaker 1: Of course, Well, the last person you want to ask
Speaker 1: about choreography is Chris Ka Patrick and myself?
Speaker 3: So yeah, never listened to us, but you had two
Speaker 3: really great guys.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know the first time we did choreography with Chris,
Speaker 6: we were like, well, well, Lance said, you know, we
Speaker 6: should do it this way, and he was like, wait,
Speaker 6: you asked Lance. You asked Lance about choreography. That's where
Speaker 6: you messed up. Yeah, so you guys are both on
Speaker 6: the same page.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were in the same boat for sure. I
Speaker 1: remember when we first started. You know, I didn't know
Speaker 1: that we were going to be dancing because I just
Speaker 1: thought we were gonna be an a cappella group. So
Speaker 1: when we went to our first dance class, it was
Speaker 1: always Chris and I that would stay back the good
Speaker 1: too or three hours to really figure this out because
Speaker 1: they literally had to teach me how to have rhythm.
Speaker 1: I mean I had like show choir rhythm, right, that
Speaker 1: kind stuff, but I didn't have you know, hip hop
Speaker 1: style dance rhythm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, spirit fingers were great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but.
Speaker 6: I'm very familiar with the show choir rhythm. You know,
Speaker 6: obviously we both come from the show choir world. And
Speaker 6: let's just say I had a little bit more than
Speaker 6: show choir rhythm.
Speaker 5: So that's why I was.
Speaker 6: I was a little bit of a star in the
Speaker 6: show choir world, not because I was good, but just
Speaker 6: because I was like one little half notch above show.
Speaker 1: You were that extra person in show choir, which I appreciate. Uh,
Speaker 1: I'm the one that they stuck like in the third
Speaker 1: row side, just you know, because I was Also I
Speaker 1: was also the shortest person in my classes.
Speaker 3: You know, you're like a nice filler child. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: was a filler child.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I still I'm a fillers. Oh my gosh, what
Speaker 1: what was the name of your show choir and what
Speaker 1: what school was that?
Speaker 6: I was in a show choir called Great Expectation, which
Speaker 6: is so funny, that's Great Expectations. And this was from Twinsburg, Ohio.
Speaker 6: But it was good to me, Like I still have
Speaker 6: most of my like best friends are from that time,
Speaker 6: at least from my high school friends. And then I
Speaker 6: met my.
Speaker 5: Wife in show choir.
Speaker 6: I met her at I met her at a at
Speaker 6: a show choir camp, which is as nerdy as a.
Speaker 1: Come now, where did you go to show car camp?
Speaker 1: Because did you go to Millican University?
Speaker 6: I went to Heidelberg University which Heidelberg, which is one
Speaker 6: which is in I think it's in Ohio.
Speaker 5: It's in Ohio, which is where I'm from.
Speaker 1: See, I went and it was Millican Universe. I think
Speaker 1: that's Illinois, right, I forget, I.
Speaker 3: Have no idea.
Speaker 5: I think so yeah, so fun.
Speaker 3: I loved it. Show Choir.
Speaker 1: It really helped me in so many ways. That the
Speaker 1: discipline and I can assume that, you know, when you
Speaker 1: got into this crazy business of the entertainment, it was
Speaker 1: those I don't all that ever, that was instilled to
Speaker 1: me by my director is what I took. And I
Speaker 1: think that's what made me so successful in what I'm
Speaker 1: doing today. And I always go back to those yea.
Speaker 3: I mean moments.
Speaker 6: I had so many opportunities even just started, like I
Speaker 6: was able to choreograph.
Speaker 5: I started doing choreography for the for the show Choir.
Speaker 6: I was, you know, working on you know, composing harmonies
Speaker 6: and get you know, working in four and five part
Speaker 6: harmonies outside of being in the in the show choir,
Speaker 6: and you know, there's all this like it's funny to
Speaker 6: say now, but you kind of get you try to
Speaker 6: have to like hold yourself with some professionalism when you're
Speaker 6: so you really have to learn all these different.
Speaker 5: Ways to kind of get ahead in the show choir world.
Speaker 1: It's so true. What was it like growing up in Ohio?
Speaker 1: Tell us about Little Damn? Were you always musical? Because
Speaker 1: it says here that your family wasn't very musical? So
Speaker 1: how did you How did you grow to love that?
Speaker 6: I don't know where it came from because my dad
Speaker 6: is like the least musical person you could ever meet.
Speaker 6: My mom is a little creative, right, you know, like
Speaker 6: even in your family, I know you do not have
Speaker 6: a musical family, and.
Speaker 1: My mom's a great singer, but you know, does music.
Speaker 1: My uncle Doc great guitar player and loves to sing.
Speaker 1: But that's the only one in my family, even extended family,
Speaker 1: that can sing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think I have anybody. There's nobody that
Speaker 5: does anything. But I don't know.
Speaker 6: From a very early age, like it was just the
Speaker 6: dancing kind of came first.
Speaker 5: I was kind of a late bloomer. I hit puberty late.
Speaker 5: So I had a super high voice.
Speaker 6: And so I would like when I first started getting
Speaker 6: solos in in in middle school or whatever, I was
Speaker 6: getting like the girl solos because I could sing that
Speaker 6: high and so I don't know, it's just like it
Speaker 6: was just kind of easy and at the you know,
Speaker 6: when you're in middle school and you get attention for
Speaker 6: dancing in the center of a circle at a at
Speaker 6: a school dance, or singing singing super high at a
Speaker 6: choir concert.
Speaker 5: You feel like the king of the world.
Speaker 2: You know, true at the center of that circle. That's
Speaker 2: like in junior high that is where you want to be.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's where you got to be cool. You
Speaker 2: got to be in the center of that circle.
Speaker 3: Dancing. Yeah, I remember, like it was like thie dances.
Speaker 2: Like we'd have like a bar mits when you take
Speaker 2: off your time and the girl would pick the next
Speaker 2: person and you dance.
Speaker 3: Okay, we never did that. Oh yeah, we did that
Speaker 3: in Miami. This is very in Miami now, we could
Speaker 3: never do that.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 1: Also, most of us were Southern Baptists. You're not supposed
Speaker 1: to dance, right, It's like you're going to hell and dance.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: In your school because where I grew up in Clinton,
Speaker 1: it was it was really cool to be in music
Speaker 1: and show choir and all that type of stuff. Theater
Speaker 1: in your school was it was it cool for a
Speaker 1: boy to be singing.
Speaker 5: Uh yes and no. I'd say for most people it wasn't.
Speaker 6: I kind of like, uh, my school is kind of
Speaker 6: mixes even though we're in the middle of we were
Speaker 6: a suburb of Cleveland, so like, you know, we had
Speaker 6: a good mix of black kids and white kids in
Speaker 6: the school, and I was kind of like in the middle.
Speaker 6: I was kind of like I was, you know, I
Speaker 6: just I just kind of was able to ride that
Speaker 6: line in the middle. So I was kind of cool.
Speaker 6: But then I kind of wasn't. I never really found
Speaker 6: like a good a good.
Speaker 1: I feel like you would have been friends with every
Speaker 1: single click in high school.
Speaker 5: That's kind of what happened.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I was able to kind of like
Speaker 6: I was also like captain of the basketball team and stuff.
Speaker 5: Like that, so I was able to kind of like whatever.
Speaker 6: Non cool things I was doing, it was bound out
Speaker 6: by something kind of cool and kind of sporty on
Speaker 6: the other end, So I was able to kind of have.
Speaker 5: A little bit of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're obsessed with basketball. I know on the road,
Speaker 1: you were always watching on FaceTime your kid playing basketball,
Speaker 1: like like the total basketball dad in the state. But
Speaker 1: on his face time about to go on stage, it's
Speaker 1: just like so focused on watching.
Speaker 3: His son play. Is that what you're gonna be? Like, well,
Speaker 3: hopefully with baseball.
Speaker 1: See I was telling and I want some advice from you.
Speaker 1: So yes, you know, I think my boy is gonna
Speaker 1: be pretty sporty. Like everything he does is like he
Speaker 1: can throw a ball across the room. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: just and it's he's you can tell he's gonna be
Speaker 1: good at that.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 1: I you know, as a concerned parent, I don't want
Speaker 1: him to do a sport like football or rugby or
Speaker 1: anything that's going to really bruise the brain, right learning
Speaker 1: so much about this stuff. Yeah, I think a great
Speaker 1: safe sport is baseball. You know, yes, you can get
Speaker 1: hit in the head, but you got a helmet.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 1: Do you think it is bad that I push a
Speaker 1: sport on a kid? Is that like being a bad parent?
Speaker 6: Okay, No, I don't think it's being a bad parent,
Speaker 6: because as a parent, you just want your kids to
Speaker 6: be successful whenever they're doing. However, you know, like I said,
Speaker 6: I was obsessed with basketball growing up. It's all I
Speaker 6: ever thought about.
Speaker 5: You know. It was after I left the.
Speaker 6: Band and I realized, you know, we had a break, I.
Speaker 5: Went back to college.
Speaker 6: I actually thought about trying out for the cow State
Speaker 6: Long Beach men's basketball team, just.
Speaker 5: To like try it to see if I do have
Speaker 5: that obsessed with it.
Speaker 6: Right. But with that being said, so I thought my
Speaker 6: son was going to be a basketball player, right, I
Speaker 6: was convinced. But from the time he was born, all
Speaker 6: he wanted to do was pick up a soccer ball
Speaker 6: and all that's.
Speaker 5: All he's done. I mean, he does try everything.
Speaker 6: But soccer is this thing now and now me, it
Speaker 6: was like a complete nut job.
Speaker 5: I am a co owner of a.
Speaker 6: Soccer trading facility and a soccer club in Arizona, so like, so.
Speaker 5: I've traded Like so I've traded in. So I've traded in.
Speaker 6: Like all this this basketball fanaticism for soccer, and I'm
Speaker 6: doing the same thing on the weekends. I actually had
Speaker 6: just this past weekend, we had a show in just
Speaker 6: outside of Chicago, and I had to leave the biggest
Speaker 6: youth soccer tournament in the country to go and it
Speaker 6: was like it was the worst.
Speaker 5: Like I it was.
Speaker 6: It was the first time since I got back together,
Speaker 6: like we started otown reunited, like three weeks after.
Speaker 5: My daughter was born and I left to go on
Speaker 5: road three weeks, which was the worst. I hated. I
Speaker 5: almost put the band. Every weekend I went around the
Speaker 5: road who shows and I regretted every second of it
Speaker 5: that I went.
Speaker 6: But this was the first time since then that I
Speaker 6: went to do a show, and it was an amazing
Speaker 6: show there was.
Speaker 5: It was one of the biggest shows we had ever
Speaker 5: had with Pop two thousand.
Speaker 6: There was like thirteen thousand people who showed up Justice
Speaker 6: two thousand, right, and I got off stage and I
Speaker 6: wasn't happy, like we had an amazing show. All I
Speaker 6: could think about, how is how I missed one game
Speaker 6: at this soccer tournament and like it was the worst?
Speaker 5: Like so so okay, I got off track. Long story short,
Speaker 5: it does it doesn't matter.
Speaker 6: I think you'll like, you can force your kids one way,
Speaker 6: but ultimately you're just gonna want to see them happy
Speaker 6: and want to see them succeed. So if you want
Speaker 6: to force them to play baseball but they suck at baseball,
Speaker 6: you're not gonna want to see play baseball anymore.
Speaker 5: You know, Well, how.
Speaker 1: Do you balance the the career and the family life?
Speaker 3: Do you?
Speaker 1: Because obviously family comes first, but you know, Otown is
Speaker 1: such a huge business in your own tour all the time.
Speaker 1: Are there certain roles that you put on your your career,
Speaker 1: like no, I will only spend this many months a
Speaker 1: year doing this, or you know, or give the guys like, look,
Speaker 1: I could only have this weekend off that type of stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 6: When we first got back together, I was the last
Speaker 6: one to agree to join, and pretty much what I
Speaker 6: said to the guys was like I can do this,
Speaker 6: but you need to work around me. So and they
Speaker 6: were so cool with it. They were like, yeah, So
Speaker 6: I was like, I will only I had I had
Speaker 6: all of these demands and pretty much I don't think
Speaker 6: they really knew what they were agreeing to, but they
Speaker 6: just said yes to kind of get me to do it.
Speaker 6: So it was like in the beginning, it was like,
Speaker 6: I will only do you know, travel two weekends of
Speaker 6: the month, and I need to know three months in advance,
Speaker 6: how long you know which shows were going to and
Speaker 6: how far?
Speaker 5: And I had all these little things we need to
Speaker 5: rehearse where.
Speaker 6: I'm at so I don't need to travel for rehearsals
Speaker 6: stuff like that, and all along the way they were
Speaker 6: really cool about doing that to this day. Like when
Speaker 6: we do rehearsals, they come to me, which is so
Speaker 6: helpful with travel. Like, but again, I'm pretty lame, so
Speaker 6: I fly in on red eyes, I'm always I'm always
Speaker 6: the last one to get there, and then as soon
Speaker 6: as the shows are done, I'm on the earliest.
Speaker 5: Flight to get home.
Speaker 6: So like, I've kind of made all these like little
Speaker 6: things to make make me miss as little family time
Speaker 6: as possible while while not while not have it sacrifice
Speaker 6: what we're trying to do with the Bandstuh, that's great.
Speaker 1: It's so important to have that balance, and I love
Speaker 1: that you have figured that out because I'm sure a
Speaker 1: lot of musicians on the road still have not figured
Speaker 1: out that that fine balance family and career. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, let's get into how you got in the band.
Speaker 1: So you know, Ashley told us he had a manager
Speaker 1: that sent him to this audition. Trevor did a self
Speaker 1: tape video with a friend. The friend got called in.
Speaker 3: He did not.
Speaker 1: How did you get to the auditions?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was on the MTV website and I was
Speaker 6: looking for information to audition for the real world actually,
Speaker 6: which is funny because again I would have been the
Speaker 6: worst Real World cast member of all time. I'm horrible
Speaker 6: on TV. I don't like talking about myself. I don't
Speaker 6: like drama, Like I would have been the worst, the
Speaker 6: worst Real World. But while while I was on there,
Speaker 6: I saw a link that said, you know, do you
Speaker 6: think you It was something like I forget what it was,
Speaker 6: but it was something like, do you think you could
Speaker 6: be an in sync or backs?
Speaker 5: It was something like that, you know, And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: like I.
Speaker 3: Did train in my whole life. Yeah, to this.
Speaker 5: Day, I would. I would leave Otown in a heartbeat.
Speaker 6: I say, Kevin needed a member to fill in, right, So,
Speaker 6: like I knew for a fact that I could do this,
Speaker 6: and I just I submitted a videotape and the rest
Speaker 6: was kind of history. I actually decided to go, Like
Speaker 6: you submitted a videotape and I planned to go to
Speaker 6: whatever the local audition was.
Speaker 4: For me.
Speaker 5: It was Nashville.
Speaker 6: I was at the University of Cincinnati at the time,
Speaker 6: and I decided to even though I hadn't heard back
Speaker 6: from my audition tape, I decided to go anyway.
Speaker 5: In the morning, I was driving up to Nashville, I got.
Speaker 6: A phone call say, hey, you got a call back,
Speaker 6: would you mind coming out to Nashville today and come
Speaker 6: to this audition?
Speaker 5: Which I did.
Speaker 1: Wow, Now the intro that I did said you were
Speaker 1: nineteen or twenty years old?
Speaker 3: Can we squash this right now?
Speaker 5: How old were.
Speaker 3: You when you auditioned? I was nineteen Internet, we could
Speaker 3: put that to.
Speaker 1: Wikipedia, Babe Calwick right now? So yeah, so nineteen years old?
Speaker 1: I mean you're just what you're a sophomore in college
Speaker 1: at this time?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Were you thinking was it in the back of your
Speaker 1: mind that you could ever get this part, like get
Speaker 1: into this band or was this just something fun for you?
Speaker 5: M No.
Speaker 6: I mean I I grew up in a very like again,
Speaker 6: my parents had nothing to do with music business. We
Speaker 6: lived in Ohio. The Internet wasn't a big thing like
Speaker 6: it's you know, and so I didn't know and my
Speaker 6: parents didn't know that these kind of opportunities were out
Speaker 6: there for people, right. So, Like, you know, when I
Speaker 6: was a kid and I said, Mom, can I really
Speaker 6: think I should go audition for the Mickey Mouse Club?
Speaker 6: She was like, ah, you know, like it was kind
Speaker 6: of she never discouraged me, but you know, she did
Speaker 6: also didn't like, didn't push you jump, jump in the
Speaker 6: car and drive to Orlando.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Mom.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And in fairness, like most at that time, without
Speaker 6: having any information and not being a stage mom, who
Speaker 6: would like who.
Speaker 3: Would do that?
Speaker 1: And I also want their kids to be told no,
Speaker 1: you know chance, you're probably not gonna make it.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, So like I did.
Speaker 6: I always I felt like I was talented, but I
Speaker 6: grew up in a small town in Ohio, and I
Speaker 6: felt like it was a big fish in a small pond.
Speaker 6: But to my parents' credit, when I told them that
Speaker 6: I was, you know, literally dropping out of school college
Speaker 6: in the middle of a week, in the middle of
Speaker 6: midterms to go to Orlando to try this thing out,
Speaker 6: my parents like, yeah, go, it's awesome.
Speaker 5: You have to do it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: So it's like, I don't know, I never thought that
Speaker 6: it would really happen, But once I got there, I
Speaker 6: was like, I'm not a confident person.
Speaker 5: I really am not. But once I got there, I was.
Speaker 6: Like, yeah, I'm good enough to do this, you know,
Speaker 6: because I mean, granted, there were some other people there
Speaker 6: who were not very good, so that made me feel
Speaker 6: good about myself.
Speaker 3: That's always a great home.
Speaker 6: Some of the some of the guys that Lou brought
Speaker 6: in for this audition were we're we're we're not the
Speaker 6: most talented.
Speaker 3: Play sure there were all his limo drivers at one point.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there was one or two limo drish.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. That was a comment threat. For sure.
Speaker 1: I remember when when Justin and Lou called my house
Speaker 1: and talked to my mom the first time. It was
Speaker 1: probably like a one minute conversation. She's like, yeah, we're good, thanks.
Speaker 3: And kind of yeah. It didn't even tell me about
Speaker 3: the first call.
Speaker 1: I'm like okay, and then the second call, you know,
Speaker 1: she was like, well, maybe this is real. I don't know.
Speaker 3: She tried to sabotage.
Speaker 1: Sabotage again. Yeah, but no, it was very very supportive.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was sixteen years old and I'm like, hey, Mom,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to Orlando and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: move away, quit high school, you know whatever. It's going
Speaker 1: to really agree with that.
Speaker 3: I'm sure at that point you barely probably left the state.
Speaker 1: I had probably left the state well Florida, of course,
Speaker 1: as we go to the Beach so or Disney World,
Speaker 1: so Florida, we drove. Oh yeah, we did the whole
Speaker 1: twelve fourteen hours all the time. Yeah, we never got
Speaker 1: on a plane. Please, that's for rich Pittsford city folks.
Speaker 1: That's for city folks.
Speaker 3: They didn't fly you out. You have to pay for
Speaker 3: your own.
Speaker 1: No, they flew me out. That was the first time
Speaker 1: was on a plane. Yeah, they flew Oh I thought
Speaker 1: you meant just when I would.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: No, they rolled out the red carpet for me. They
Speaker 1: flew me out. I landed Orlando. Justin's there at the
Speaker 1: the baggage clan looking oh cool, Like, what's that dude
Speaker 1: in his big silver puffy jacket. And they got lou
Speaker 1: Proman there rolling up with his Rolls Royce and limo.
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, which do I choose? The limo of
Speaker 1: the Rolls Royce.
Speaker 5: But where did you go? Where did they take you?
Speaker 5: This is a test. Where did they take you straight
Speaker 5: from the.
Speaker 1: Airport to the house that we were going to be
Speaker 1: living in?
Speaker 5: Oh? So they didn't take you to Lose House?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, we didn't see Lose House for
Speaker 1: a bit. I mean the guys had, but I was
Speaker 1: the last to join. So the guys were already living
Speaker 1: at a house there on sand Lake Road. So I
Speaker 1: went there and I pulled up and they're playing basketball.
Speaker 1: It was either basketball or hockey. I think it was basketball, which,
Speaker 1: unlike you, I can't stand basketball. I don't mind watching it,
Speaker 1: I just can't play it, and it makes me look
Speaker 1: so much anxiety. Uh.
Speaker 3: And so as I roll.
Speaker 1: Up and they're all playing basketball, I'm like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: they're gonna hate me and they're gonna to play basketball.
Speaker 1: So anxiety was already flowing through me immediately when I
Speaker 1: pulled up into this house.
Speaker 6: Well, I had a different when I when I got
Speaker 6: escorted from the airport, we went directly to lose House
Speaker 6: and I got there and I wasn't picked up by
Speaker 6: the band.
Speaker 5: I was picked up by one of those limo drivers
Speaker 5: you were talking about.
Speaker 6: And I was picked up and I brought to the house,
Speaker 6: and I had different anxiety because when I got there,
Speaker 6: the other members of the band were all in lose
Speaker 6: pool and they were all having a chicken fight.
Speaker 5: They were all chicken fighting, like I.
Speaker 6: Think Jacob was on loose shoulders, and I'm like, I
Speaker 6: thought to myself, I was like, I was like, my
Speaker 6: anxiety was more like, oh, this is the best place
Speaker 6: for me, because this seems weird. It seems so weird.
Speaker 6: From my very first time, I was like, this can't
Speaker 6: be what it was. It was too boy bandy even
Speaker 6: for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know they seen a yeah exactly like the
Speaker 2: gasoline fight and zoom Lander.
Speaker 3: You're like, what the hell am I getting myself into?
Speaker 5: That's what I felt like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a yeah, that's like cheese tastic right there.
Speaker 1: You sang terror in my Heart Heart for the audition.
Speaker 1: I feel like they only chose three songs that everyone
Speaker 1: could sing because I swear every person I know that
Speaker 1: audition for O Town singing Terror at my.
Speaker 3: Heart it was a you know, it was a canty
Speaker 3: song back then. Yeah, it was not the only thing
Speaker 3: they could approve for ABC.
Speaker 1: Exactly what it was that song?
Speaker 6: Well again that we only had like three songs, and
Speaker 6: you know it was I remember tearing up my Heart
Speaker 6: being one.
Speaker 5: I Feel like a Girl on TV by LFO was
Speaker 5: another one, okay, and I feel like that may have
Speaker 5: been it.
Speaker 6: As we got later, we were able to sing I
Speaker 6: swear by all for one at some point, but that
Speaker 6: was really it. So yeah, I mean it is a
Speaker 6: great song, but I really had no other options. I
Speaker 6: would have sung something. I would have sung like something
Speaker 6: more harmed.
Speaker 5: At the time, I.
Speaker 1: Had a choice because we all thought we were R
Speaker 1: and B. You know, on top of all already being
Speaker 1: so stressed out for this experience having an audition for
Speaker 1: this group, you're being filmed the whole time too, and
Speaker 1: like you said, you you says you're not you're not
Speaker 1: built for television. How did you feel about that element
Speaker 1: of this experience of just being filmed the whole time.
Speaker 5: Well, the unique thing for us is that, like now
Speaker 5: everybody knows what it's like to have a camera in
Speaker 5: your face everywhere you go, Like everybody, everybody who gets
Speaker 5: into the entertainment business, like that's almost before talent.
Speaker 1: Well, everybody born now has a camera in their face.
Speaker 1: I mean, our poor children have a camera in their face.
Speaker 1: I would say fifty time, we're always like, oh, like
Speaker 1: how cute this is. Oh we're on FaceTime with Grandpa.
Speaker 3: So yeah, they're just cameras everywhere.
Speaker 5: But when we started, like that wasn't like a thing.
Speaker 6: I just and I didn't know I was bad on
Speaker 6: camera until I was on camera all the time and
Speaker 6: I saw it back and I was like, you know,
Speaker 6: I just realized how much more comfortable the other guys
Speaker 6: looked in their interviews or when they're when they're just
Speaker 6: having a regular conversation that.
Speaker 5: I just didn't You didn't. You didn't know, Like there.
Speaker 6: Was plenty of times. You know now you see cameras
Speaker 6: at every single event you go to. When we started,
Speaker 6: we would go to these events with the cameras following us,
Speaker 6: and celebrities would run. They didn't want to be anywhere
Speaker 6: on camera. They didn't they didn't know what it was about.
Speaker 6: They didn't want to be anywhere near. So most people
Speaker 6: had no clue what we are even doing, let alone
Speaker 6: being And I was included that I had no clue,
Speaker 6: So I didn't know I was bad until I was
Speaker 6: like smack dab in the middle of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I I totally understand that.
Speaker 3: I remember.
Speaker 1: And it was also it wasn't TMZ at the time,
Speaker 1: but there was there's some kind of camera thing that
Speaker 1: everyone was running fro oh. I wasn't that it was
Speaker 1: Ashton freaking Kutcher with his whole punk So everyone was
Speaker 1: so scared of always being punked. So if you saw
Speaker 1: a camera, if you saw anything, you were just you
Speaker 1: wouldn't do anything. You would freeze. But I remember meeting
Speaker 1: you guys in New York at mug Shots on First Avenue,
Speaker 1: and I think you had the cameras there, but I
Speaker 1: refused to sign the release, like there's no yeah, I can't,
Speaker 1: I can't be and I can't do this. I just
Speaker 1: wanted to get y'all there to warn you all about
Speaker 1: Loup Pearlman. That's like, I gotta tell these guys what
Speaker 1: to look out for. I remember sitting down.
Speaker 5: Why did you tell them before the chicken fights fights?
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: So, so what did you know about Loup Pearlman before
Speaker 1: you auditioned? Did you know anything about him?
Speaker 6: I mean I knew that, uh he had put together
Speaker 6: you guys in Backstory Choice.
Speaker 5: That was about it. But shortly after we got there,
Speaker 5: shortly after I came.
Speaker 6: Back to be in the band, it was pretty widely
Speaker 6: known that you guys had already had your lawsuit with
Speaker 6: him Backtreet had already had their lawsuit, and uh so
Speaker 6: we were kind of like, in some ways we were
Speaker 6: kind of protected because we this was even before we
Speaker 6: signed some of our contracts, so we were able to
Speaker 6: kind of like, I mean, our contracts sucked horribly, but
Speaker 6: but that being said, I mean, well, that's that's up
Speaker 6: for debate. We can talk about that. But the point
Speaker 6: is that, like we were able to kind of protect
Speaker 6: ourselves and be like, all right, let's watch out for
Speaker 6: this guy. But ultimately we're a brand new act signing
Speaker 6: for the first time, and every artist gets screwed over
Speaker 6: on their first contract, or at least that's the way
Speaker 6: they told us back then, that's the way to it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, yeah, crazy.
Speaker 6: Where our where our contract got really, really, really bad
Speaker 6: was the fact that we had the TV show tied
Speaker 6: into it. So whereas our recording contract was already pretty
Speaker 6: bad and we were getting this slice in the pie
Speaker 6: that's small, small slice, we were splitting that small slice
Speaker 6: three ways between lou and then all of the TV
Speaker 6: people involved, so we were splitting with MTV and ABC
Speaker 6: as well.
Speaker 3: So when you save all these people, yeah, that is correct.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 6: For a period of time, and they were tea they
Speaker 6: were using our contract and at USC law school and
Speaker 6: the entertainment law class as the worst contract they had
Speaker 6: ever seen.
Speaker 5: They were using it to kind.
Speaker 1: Of yeah yeah I didn't, yeah, I forgot. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: have this TV element because look, network screw you big time.
Speaker 1: Record label screw you big time, and you have two
Speaker 1: coming together, you're going to get a double screwed, which
Speaker 1: is good in some cases, but in this case it's horrible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know it was a good one.
Speaker 1: But I'm glad. Did you have so with making the band?
Speaker 1: Did y'all make any money off that? Or was the
Speaker 1: ABC like we're taking all of this, Like did y'all
Speaker 1: get to see any of that?
Speaker 5: So that making the band?
Speaker 6: We actually did get to see it so good With Lou,
Speaker 6: I mean you you know how Lou was like, oh.
Speaker 1: He's the six members of the band, right right, yeah.
Speaker 6: So but to make it even worse, like it's one
Speaker 6: thing to be the sixth member of the band, but
Speaker 6: then he still pays everybody else their share. But what
Speaker 6: would happen with Lou is all the money would come
Speaker 6: in and then when we like, hey, like we're doing
Speaker 6: some money, right, and he would say, well, like sue
Speaker 6: me for it, like rather than paying you like like
Speaker 6: a no contract says you would kind of want to
Speaker 6: need tossue him for it.
Speaker 5: Whereas at least with the TV show, it was like.
Speaker 6: All right, I'm due to make this much money and
Speaker 6: it's delivered on this day, you know. So we made
Speaker 6: a little bit of money, not nearly as much as
Speaker 6: some of the reality stars made in the in the future,
Speaker 6: just because we were it was different, you know, it
Speaker 6: was different back then. We didn't know although, you know,
Speaker 6: like I actually got lucky because again you mentioned I
Speaker 6: joined the band late. One of the guys that was
Speaker 6: in the band at Kaika quit and he quit after
Speaker 6: I don't know, maybe like three fourths of the filming
Speaker 6: for season one was done, and then I came for
Speaker 6: the last quarter and I remember it was the day
Speaker 6: that everybody got handed their checks, and through some oversight,
Speaker 6: when it came time to give checks, the check that
Speaker 6: I got was the exact same amount that all of
Speaker 6: the other guys in the band got. And I remember
Speaker 6: thinking I only did a quarter the word that these
Speaker 6: guys did, but I got the same check that they got.
Speaker 6: So I was kind of thinking they didn't know what
Speaker 6: to do with the Kaika was money, they just gave
Speaker 6: it to me.
Speaker 5: I was happy with that, I think.
Speaker 3: So you like that.
Speaker 1: I think, so I hope Kai is not listening to
Speaker 1: this right now.
Speaker 5: I know, I know, well it's thattual limitation.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but why did a Kaika leave the group?
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever asked this question.
Speaker 5: If I don't know, I've never actually talked to him.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's kind of weird.
Speaker 6: We I mean we've only passed across paths a handful
Speaker 6: of times. Yeah, and uh, you know one I get
Speaker 6: the impression he was kind of like me and that
Speaker 6: like he didn't know what he was signing up for
Speaker 6: when he got got in there. And it's a big
Speaker 6: difference coming from where he came from. And I need
Speaker 6: to move to move to Orland.
Speaker 1: Well, I've seen the common denominator for a lot of
Speaker 1: our groups is uh that it's never the original group.
Speaker 1: There's always like one person that wants to drop out.
Speaker 1: Me even us, I replaced a guy yea. And the
Speaker 1: common thing that I find is they all got into
Speaker 1: it and said, oh, this isn't the market I want
Speaker 1: to go to. They thought it was this kid market
Speaker 1: that they.
Speaker 3: Just didn't want to touch.
Speaker 1: You know, there were two they were too good for that,
Speaker 1: and so they leave. Even the Beatles, you know, they
Speaker 1: had what Pete beste best So like every group had
Speaker 1: that guy that you know that left, And thank God
Speaker 1: for them, because we wouldn't be here to get together
Speaker 1: talking right now.
Speaker 6: Wasn't there a guy that was offered the chance of
Speaker 6: being both in Sync and Backstreet?
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the case, because the guy
Speaker 1: I replaced was one of Joey's best friends.
Speaker 3: But maybe he could have auditioned.
Speaker 5: I don't know, Chris, I thought there was a guy
Speaker 5: named was it Charlie?
Speaker 1: Maybe there's there is a guy Charlie that's that. Kirkpatrick knows, Yeah, I.
Speaker 5: Mean, speaking of doubles, speaking of double screwed, you know,
Speaker 5: missing out on.
Speaker 1: Kirkpatrick has all the answers because he was He watched
Speaker 1: this whole thing.
Speaker 5: Don't admit that, don't know.
Speaker 3: I know, it's very hard to admit. He was there.
Speaker 1: Look, he put the band together. He he could have
Speaker 1: auditioned for Backstreet. But then that Howie Duerou did not
Speaker 1: tell him about it, told oh, that's what was I
Speaker 1: think Charlie might have been in course with them in college,
Speaker 1: and I think maybe Howie asked Charlie's audition that was
Speaker 1: to his left and did not turn to his right
Speaker 1: and asked christ did not ask yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: There we go.
Speaker 1: So then Chris started his own band, yeah, Chris, I
Speaker 1: know that's the that's the revenge you want. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: start my own, so it's all, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 3: Howie, Yeah, you're the bwiebe.
Speaker 1: When you were standing there and they called the five
Speaker 1: guys and you did not make it the first time,
Speaker 1: what was going through your mind? Because it was you
Speaker 1: were You're right there, so that you had been thinking like, wow,
Speaker 1: I think I made this.
Speaker 6: Well again, I'm not a confident person, but in that moment,
Speaker 6: this is bad to say because it's gonna come off.
Speaker 5: Wrong, but I don't care. Yeah, I felt like I
Speaker 5: was the best one there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so when they didn't call me, like like my
Speaker 6: delusional brain thought, well, maybe they're saving me for some
Speaker 6: solo something.
Speaker 1: But that also know that all other guys also said
Speaker 1: that you were the most talented of everyone and they
Speaker 1: were so surprised that you did not make that final cut.
Speaker 5: Well, that's that's very nice of them to say.
Speaker 6: And I again, I will fully admit that I am
Speaker 6: not meant to be a solo artist. I'm not, like
Speaker 6: you know, I can barely handle the interviews and the
Speaker 6: and the video stuff right now, and I'm in a band,
Speaker 6: so I needed somebody else to lean on.
Speaker 5: So I would have been horrible, just like would have
Speaker 5: been horrible as a you know, on the rail, and
Speaker 5: I also would have been horrible as a solo artist.
Speaker 6: But I honestly had so much confidence coming out of
Speaker 6: that audition because I went from like I said, I
Speaker 6: went came from Ohio and I went to this thing
Speaker 6: with which is a nation wide thing, and I felt like,
Speaker 6: if not deep, I was up at the top of
Speaker 6: the list, or I should have been in talent purposes,
Speaker 6: but I was probably near the bottom in terms of
Speaker 6: like if the if the people from the television show
Speaker 6: were looking for people to cause drama and stuff, I
Speaker 6: was somewhere near the bottom.
Speaker 5: So all that kind of stuff played into it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because the talent kind of goes in the back
Speaker 1: burner sometimes when it comes to tell vision. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: gotta fit that mold for sure. Now, I would have
Speaker 1: assumed that you were automatically in the bands, that you
Speaker 1: had just gone through that same audition process as everyone else,
Speaker 1: but you had to basically audition again to get it
Speaker 1: to the group.
Speaker 3: So so how did you what did you audition with that time?
Speaker 1: And did were you're like, really, guys, really you're gonna
Speaker 1: make Yeah.
Speaker 6: I mean to be honest, I think this is one
Speaker 6: thing that actually I can say like good about Lou.
Speaker 5: For me was I had gone away.
Speaker 6: I went back to college, and then they called me
Speaker 6: back and I came.
Speaker 5: They called me on like.
Speaker 6: A Monday, and I was in Orlando on a Wednesday,
Speaker 6: and all I told, all I told was like a
Speaker 6: trial like it was. I was still auditioning, right, but
Speaker 6: pretty much all I was doing was I was I
Speaker 6: was in the band. I was just living their schedule.
Speaker 6: I was going to choreography, I was going through vocal training.
Speaker 5: We were doing well.
Speaker 1: They just wanted an out just in case you're an asshole.
Speaker 1: That's right, Let's give it a good three week trial period.
Speaker 1: If we don't like him, we can kick them out.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And at the end of this week, at the end
Speaker 5: of the first week, like my flight was leaving in the.
Speaker 6: Morning, we were all sitting around Lou's house and it
Speaker 6: was kind of a really awkward and awkward interaction that
Speaker 6: cameras are. There were sitting in you know, this big room,
Speaker 6: and louis kind of like bullshitting. He's like talking and
Speaker 6: he's talking and talking. He's almost like killing time, and
Speaker 6: he kept getting up and leaving the room to talk
Speaker 6: with the production staff of ABC and then come back
Speaker 6: in and he would bullshit and more and blah blah.
Speaker 6: Come to find out, during that time, Lou was waiting
Speaker 6: to get confirmation from ABC and MTV that they would
Speaker 6: approve me to be in the band and be.
Speaker 5: On the show.
Speaker 6: More importantly, right, and from everything I've heard, ABC and
Speaker 6: MTV did not want me because I didn't fit what
Speaker 6: they had going for him. But to lose credit, he
Speaker 6: came back in and like he went above them and
Speaker 6: just said, oh, by the way. He came back after
Speaker 6: like fifth time coming in out and just said, by.
Speaker 5: The way, you're in the band.
Speaker 6: And I kind of thinking back now, I remember looking
Speaker 6: around at some of the camera crew and some of
Speaker 6: the production staff going like they were like kind of shocked.
Speaker 5: Then he did that, but they never looked back, and
Speaker 5: I never heard anything. But I didn't find some of
Speaker 5: that stuff out until much later in the process.
Speaker 1: We have such similarities that kind of happened to me.
Speaker 1: I didn't know at the time, but when we signed
Speaker 1: to BMG AIOLA over in Germany, the president of that
Speaker 1: label did not want me in the group because my
Speaker 1: dance skills weren't up to par like everyone else. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and the guys and Johnny Wright and I guess Lou
Speaker 1: I don't know, stood up for me and they're like, no,
Speaker 1: it's this band or nothing. And they literally were going
Speaker 1: to say no to this contract if they kicked me out.
Speaker 3: Of this group.
Speaker 1: And I didn't know that. Two years later, I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: and we do only known each other for I mean
Speaker 1: less than a year, so I'm like, yeah, I could
Speaker 1: have easily been just dumped, right, It's like, yeah, kick
Speaker 1: him out or getting a record deal. But uh, I mean,
Speaker 1: how great was that? When you have that that so
Speaker 1: much support from your your band members and your management,
Speaker 1: it is nice.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it did feel good.
Speaker 6: I mean, and I didn't know that story until later,
Speaker 6: But again, it all worked out for us, So I'm
Speaker 6: happy about that.
Speaker 1: I know they put you in the group. That must
Speaker 1: have been an incredible moment. Who was the first person
Speaker 1: you called when you made the band?
Speaker 6: I think I called my parents, my you know, like again,
Speaker 6: my parents knew nothing about the music business. But when
Speaker 6: it came time to like, I'm dropping out of college
Speaker 6: and I'm going to do this thing and I did
Speaker 6: it once and then I did it again when when
Speaker 6: they called me back, they totally backed me up, and
Speaker 6: then we're supportive of the whole way.
Speaker 5: Well, what did you didn't know?
Speaker 1: What did you do in that hiatus time between not
Speaker 1: making it and making it, because that was a few
Speaker 1: months in between back to college, so you just I
Speaker 1: did right back to college.
Speaker 6: I went back, and it was easy to go back
Speaker 6: to college because, like what everything they told us about
Speaker 6: the show at this point was everything had to be secret.
Speaker 6: We had to sign NDAs, and like we couldn't talk
Speaker 6: about what was happening, who made it, who got cut,
Speaker 6: all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 5: So like, I didn't tell anybody, my best friends in
Speaker 5: the world, I didn't tell. I don't even know.
Speaker 1: If you didn't tell one person, you have to tell
Speaker 1: one person.
Speaker 6: I'm sure I told my parents because they were probably
Speaker 6: wondering what the heck was going on. But yeah, so
Speaker 6: I I went back and I just went back to school,
Speaker 6: and in the meantime, I was.
Speaker 5: Filled with all this confidence.
Speaker 6: So I was doing all these little things, like I was,
Speaker 6: you know, signing up to perform at talent shows or
Speaker 6: sing national anthem at the running joke was always when they.
Speaker 5: Called me up.
Speaker 6: When Lou called me up back up to kind of
Speaker 6: invite me back, I thought in my head, I thought
Speaker 6: they were inviting me to do some sort of a
Speaker 6: solo project. I didn't know the band was there, so
Speaker 6: I was trying to like pitch myself and tell them
Speaker 6: how cool I am. And I was all excited because
Speaker 6: I was getting I was going to sing the national
Speaker 6: anthem at the Cincinnati Bearcats game in like a couple
Speaker 6: of weeks, and I was all excited about that, and
Speaker 6: I thought that was so.
Speaker 5: About make me like look cooler.
Speaker 6: But now I just just get rubbed in my face.
Speaker 6: And you know, I didn't play it cool I was.
Speaker 6: I was just trying to, like I was trying to
Speaker 6: look cool more than anything else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, as a nineteen year old being thrust into
Speaker 1: the spotlight immediately, I mean, especially because y'all are the
Speaker 1: first to really bring in I mean, you had the
Speaker 1: real world and all that, but I feel like you're
Speaker 1: the reason that reality really took off because especially in
Speaker 1: the music world, you know, you really got to know
Speaker 1: these musicians and you have a I don't know, you
Speaker 1: have this more of a connection with them when you're
Speaker 1: on TV. And I feel like now every artist these
Speaker 1: days has to have some kind of element of television
Speaker 1: or close social media.
Speaker 3: Social media.
Speaker 1: You have to see them, you have to get to
Speaker 1: know their personalities before you even know their music. What
Speaker 1: was it like as a nineteen year old? And was
Speaker 1: this year two thousand and one? Well, here was a two.
Speaker 5: Thousand, two thousand, two thousand and one, so.
Speaker 1: It's still before social media. No one really, I mean
Speaker 1: half people have cell phones, so it was easier to
Speaker 1: get around. What was it like being a teen idol
Speaker 1: at such an early age and just kind of like overnight.
Speaker 6: I had a really hard time with it. I really
Speaker 6: struggle with it because again I don't really like people.
Speaker 6: I liked the little bit of time when was on stage.
Speaker 6: I like being on stage.
Speaker 3: But I did you have a girlfriend at the time.
Speaker 6: I did have a girlfriend at a time that didn't
Speaker 6: last long after we got in the band, and I
Speaker 6: actually had I actually married my high school sweetheart, So
Speaker 6: the one that I met in show choir, we had
Speaker 6: split up for a little bit in college, and then
Speaker 6: we got back together after I joined the band, So
Speaker 6: we're going on twenty.
Speaker 5: Years now marriage.
Speaker 6: So that's kind of crazy. But all I've ever wanted
Speaker 6: to be, and this is the god's honest truth. I've
Speaker 6: just always wanted to be normal, Like I just I
Speaker 6: never when I'm on stage, I like being the pop star,
Speaker 6: but when I'm off stage, I hated it. So like,
Speaker 6: I did everything I could, and I maybe even came
Speaker 6: off like a like a dick sometimes that you know,
Speaker 6: to people, because I just did everything I could to.
Speaker 5: Avoid the spot, right.
Speaker 6: I let the other guy take the lead on that.
Speaker 6: It was like, oh, there's an interview, go ahead, Trev,
Speaker 6: you got this one. I'm gonna go this way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some of us are just not built for that.
Speaker 1: Some are just true musicians and just like to do
Speaker 1: the art. And yeah, I have this very you know,
Speaker 1: normal life. I am not that person. I like and
Speaker 1: I like to be a goop fall and I like
Speaker 1: to be stupid in front of a camera. But jc'
Speaker 1: is that that way?
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: J C never cared for interviews or being out in
Speaker 1: public or you know, any of the attention at all.
Speaker 1: He just really cared about just the music. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean everyone has their own way of handling things.
Speaker 3: But that's a good part of a group, you know,
Speaker 3: it'd be if you had everybody like thirsting for the camera,
Speaker 3: it would just be the most annoying group in the world.
Speaker 3: You know, you need to have you need different personalities
Speaker 3: to attract different people. You know, there was a lot
Speaker 3: of people that like the quieter.
Speaker 1: And see I'm opposite now, so in the group. If
Speaker 1: you watch me in any interviews, I am the most
Speaker 1: boring person you've ever heard in an interview. I didn't
Speaker 1: say a word, and.
Speaker 3: You're very monogential. I don't know, and.
Speaker 1: Now you know me today is completely polar opposite of
Speaker 1: what my personality was in this band. But that's also
Speaker 1: because I can be myself. You know, I was just
Speaker 1: hiding something you were hiding, Yeah, exactly, like to find out.
Speaker 1: So in two thousand and three, the group disbanded. Now
Speaker 1: did you know this was coming? Did you embrace this
Speaker 1: because you like more of a private life?
Speaker 5: Did I know it was coming? No? For us, we
Speaker 5: didn't know that the group was like breaking up. You know.
Speaker 6: It's like we had spent like three to four years
Speaker 6: of like working our butts off every single day for
Speaker 6: like literally four straight years, and we had never gotten
Speaker 6: to the point where we could just say, you know,
Speaker 6: what like we need like a couple months off, a
Speaker 6: little just.
Speaker 3: A little bit out of sight, out of mind.
Speaker 6: And so we and so we took we took a breath,
Speaker 6: and it was just it wasn't even like a breakup.
Speaker 6: It was just like we decided we all needed to
Speaker 6: just just go our separate ways a little bit and
Speaker 6: relax and like reset families and reset. And then before
Speaker 6: we knew it, it was like ten years later.
Speaker 1: So also because y'all right at the tail end of
Speaker 1: the boy band craze, right, I mean it started turning
Speaker 1: into something different, and yeah, so it was just right
Speaker 1: at that tail end, so I could see y'all take
Speaker 1: a little hiatus and me like, well, is it even
Speaker 1: worth it to come back now that the fans aren't
Speaker 1: really there? TRL is not really spinning. In fact, I
Speaker 1: don't even know if Tirrel was around much longer after that, Right,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think with that end, I.
Speaker 5: Mean, not in it's current stage, not it's Kurt stage.
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, it like it kind of went it
Speaker 6: went from like being the biggest and most important thing
Speaker 6: in the world to there, but kind of on the
Speaker 6: tail end, and ultimately, like I embraced it I loved
Speaker 6: not having to be like the person anymore. But what
Speaker 6: I realized is that, like, no matter what I did
Speaker 6: for the rest of my life, like my last name
Speaker 6: to most people is going to be from Otown, not Miller.
Speaker 5: It's like I'm Dan from Otown. Oh yeah, and people
Speaker 5: have you know.
Speaker 6: And so like it took the time where we had
Speaker 6: we had that break for me to realize that I
Speaker 6: need to I should just race it, like quit hiding
Speaker 6: from it.
Speaker 5: There's a way to kind of deal with it.
Speaker 6: And it kind of gave me a better appreciation for
Speaker 6: what it is that we do. And I'm more comfortable
Speaker 6: with that now.
Speaker 1: You know, later when you're in the group, you know,
Speaker 1: it's hard not to focus on the hate that comes
Speaker 1: along with it. So there's a part of you, especially
Speaker 1: with me, that was embarrassed to be a part of
Speaker 1: a boy band at that time, Like like half the
Speaker 1: world just hates me just because I'm in a boy band.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like it's crazy that that just the vile things
Speaker 1: that come out of people's uh mouths about a boy
Speaker 1: band member.
Speaker 3: It's really a lot of hate.
Speaker 5: You don't.
Speaker 1: You don't understand, bab It was it was a lot,
Speaker 1: but we went through the trenches and it's.
Speaker 2: Like, you know, in terms of the celebrity in general,
Speaker 2: you always have half the population.
Speaker 1: Well, Dolly Parton, you know, she's got way more than
Speaker 1: half the population on her side. Okay, what I was saying,
Speaker 1: let's yeah, it's hard to be a boy member out there.
Speaker 3: Okay, literally zero pity for you.
Speaker 1: But like I was there, but you embrace it later on,
Speaker 1: You're like, you know what it was, that was a
Speaker 1: freaking awesome time and we made some good shit.
Speaker 3: Let's let's celebrate that.
Speaker 1: Well, you guys did well. I want to know during
Speaker 1: your break because I think, wow, how many years was
Speaker 1: y'all's hiatus?
Speaker 3: Like eight years?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Like ten tennis years? Eight ten years?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what did you want to do with your
Speaker 1: time in between? Did you want to you know, find
Speaker 1: a completely different career?
Speaker 5: I did a whole bunch of stuff.
Speaker 6: So I kind of toiled around with songwriting and production
Speaker 6: for a little bit, had like like a bunch of
Speaker 6: almost chances that you know, felt like at the time, oh,
Speaker 6: this is you know, I'm turning the corner.
Speaker 5: I'm not in the boy bank guy that this is
Speaker 5: gonna pop off and I'll be you know, and then
Speaker 5: just never materialized.
Speaker 6: I started a family, you know, I went back to college,
Speaker 6: I finished my degree. I got a degree in graphic design.
Speaker 6: I did like normal stuff, I really did, and and
Speaker 6: I you know, I enjoyed it, like and but it
Speaker 6: was like right as I was I graduated college and
Speaker 6: I was like, you know.
Speaker 5: What, I don't know if the music business is what
Speaker 5: I want to do anymore.
Speaker 6: I started looking for real jobs, and uh, and like
Speaker 6: right before I was going to graduate, we started talking
Speaker 6: about getting back together.
Speaker 5: I agreed to do it, and I never looked back.
Speaker 5: I still have never.
Speaker 6: Had like a real job in my life because during
Speaker 6: you know, the band just kind of came back around
Speaker 6: at the right time. And truthfully, that's what's best for
Speaker 6: like my family situation. I you know, like it's at
Speaker 6: this point in my life, it's the best part time
Speaker 6: job in the world. I'm able to like be a
Speaker 6: soccer coach and another parent in the pickup line during
Speaker 6: the week and then on the weekends, I go jump
Speaker 6: around and after fool on stage for three days and
Speaker 6: I come home and like it's like nothing ever happened, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Like Hillary Duff says, it's the best of both worlds.
Speaker 3: Oh man, yeah, you said that. We'll just cut that
Speaker 3: out to you. No, no, no, We're gonna highlight keep.
Speaker 1: It, just like you just showed your jeriats. Sorry, I
Speaker 1: was on the road during Anamon town.
Speaker 2: And you were so confident too, You're like clear, just throat,
Speaker 2: just like Hillary Death said.
Speaker 1: Well, hire some of that because we just did an
Speaker 1: episode of How I Met Your Father. That's out right now,
Speaker 1: go check it out on Hulu. And so she's been
Speaker 1: on my mind. Okay, so that was Miley Cyrus. Well,
Speaker 1: you guys were reunited twenty thirteen, have been together ever since.
Speaker 1: Feels like you're stronger than ever. I love watching y'all's relationship.
Speaker 1: Y'all do have this amazing brotherhood. Yeah, you know where
Speaker 1: you can give each other ship.
Speaker 3: You know, you could, you can laugh, cry, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Do you think that y'all have become closer just in
Speaker 1: the in the recent years because of this tour?
Speaker 5: Oh easy, easily. Yes. Twenty years ago was such like
Speaker 5: a roller coaster ride and happened so fast. I don't
Speaker 5: even remember a lot of it.
Speaker 6: But because of the way that you know, we had
Speaker 6: that time away, not only did it make us appreciate
Speaker 6: what the music business is and means to us. We appreciate,
Speaker 6: you know, their relationships. We have a lot more and
Speaker 6: there's like we're older, so there's no drama. There is
Speaker 6: like it's we can have like adult conversations and know
Speaker 6: by the end of it, like it's not going to
Speaker 6: come to like a fistfight or something. It's just like,
Speaker 6: you know, it's we're adults now. We're not worried about
Speaker 6: some of that stuff. We're really just there trying to
Speaker 6: have fun. If it was drama, I would have quit
Speaker 6: a long time ago. I wouldn't even have been I
Speaker 6: wouldn't be here talking to you because I would have quit.
Speaker 1: What's the craziest thing that's happened on the road so
Speaker 1: far on this tour?
Speaker 5: Oh man, let's see us.
Speaker 6: So there was one time we were backstage at a
Speaker 6: show and Michael Turchin fell into like some sort of
Speaker 6: like drainage.
Speaker 2: So weird you said that because I dreamt about that
Speaker 2: last night. Yes, I was back there in my dream
Speaker 2: last night.
Speaker 1: You just got this was one of the funniest things
Speaker 1: I'd ever been a part of. So wait, Turkey, you
Speaker 1: tell the story because you were there.
Speaker 3: We were at a show at like a rodeo. I
Speaker 3: don't know where where.
Speaker 5: Were we a state It was a state fair.
Speaker 3: There's a race raised big mud like.
Speaker 2: It was like a yeah, whatever, it's like. So we're backstags.
Speaker 2: It was like all mud everywhere and there was no
Speaker 2: lights back states.
Speaker 3: It's all in front of stags. And there was a big,
Speaker 3: giant like puddle mud.
Speaker 6: It was like an abyss and they didn't put any
Speaker 6: but it just looked.
Speaker 5: Like a puddle.
Speaker 3: It was like a regular puddle.
Speaker 2: And it was no lights at back, so I couldn't
Speaker 2: see the puddle, and they forgot to put like cones
Speaker 2: around it. So then I was walking to stays.
Speaker 3: On his phone on my phone. It was on my phone. Okay,
Speaker 3: that's whatever Lance is trying to get me on my phone.
Speaker 3: That's the reason I said. Fall into an abyss in
Speaker 3: the middle of the night and I'm walking to stage,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, I just noticed that I'm
Speaker 3: submerged under black like water. I I was walking and
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, I'm completely underwater. I couldn't imagine
Speaker 3: what that feeling like.
Speaker 2: Walking like to the store, and all of a sudden
Speaker 2: you're underwater and you're like, what did I die?
Speaker 3: Like, am I in hell? What is happening? And then
Speaker 3: I like fly out of the water and I crawled
Speaker 3: back onto.
Speaker 2: Land and I had a fit and the security guard
Speaker 2: is just laughing but laughing his butt off, and I'm
Speaker 2: having a fit through my phone and I'm like cursing up.
Speaker 1: Linda and I are in the dressing room. He just
Speaker 1: the door. It's like a movie because the door kicks open.
Speaker 1: He has covered head to toe and mud and just
Speaker 1: drenched and he's like what God, like just going crazy.
Speaker 3: But I could laugh about it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you laughed about it.
Speaker 6: I mean you pretty much went the whole rest of
Speaker 6: the show with like a towel.
Speaker 5: And everything was, oh my, your borderline naked the rest
Speaker 5: of the show.
Speaker 3: Which he's fine with ultimately.
Speaker 5: Like in terms of craziness, it's just like it's these
Speaker 5: little things. They're funny.
Speaker 6: It like, uh, you know, there was a time where
Speaker 6: Jacob insulted, like insulted the owner of like a very
Speaker 6: very well known restaurant to his face because he was
Speaker 6: confused about the name of the place. He thought it
Speaker 6: was something different. I don't want to say it because
Speaker 6: I don't want to react with it. But like Jacob
Speaker 6: like literally to the.
Speaker 5: Guy, to the guy's face, that the restaurant is named after.
Speaker 6: He like insulted everything about that that restaurant, and then
Speaker 6: afterwards all of us in the.
Speaker 5: Room were like, no, don't what are you doing?
Speaker 6: Like he had no clue, And afterwards when he left,
Speaker 6: we're like, dude, what the what the hell do you
Speaker 6: just do?
Speaker 5: And he was like, I thought it was named like
Speaker 5: it was really bad.
Speaker 6: It'd be like it'd be like going to like like
Speaker 6: you know, Grandpa McDonald's and like completely eviscerating the big
Speaker 6: map directly to Grandpa McDonald's because you thought.
Speaker 5: It was named like McCormick's or something. It was just
Speaker 5: like that.
Speaker 6: It was bad a lot, a lot, I know, but
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, It's like a lot of
Speaker 6: this stuff is like the craziness is more about like
Speaker 6: the fun that we have.
Speaker 5: It's like all these little things.
Speaker 1: All right, So no one wants You know, now, if
Speaker 1: you could go back and we're giving the same opportunity again,
Speaker 1: would you say yes? Would you do something differently?
Speaker 6: I would say yes, And what I would do differently
Speaker 6: is I would make sure that I experienced everything the
Speaker 6: first time, like to the fullest. I spent so much
Speaker 6: like I spend so much time like again, not liking people,
Speaker 6: not wanting to be around people.
Speaker 5: Just wanting my own space. That like when I was in.
Speaker 6: Memphis, I didn't seek out the best barbecue spot. When
Speaker 6: I was in you know, Canon, I didn't I didn't
Speaker 6: go to get poutine or whatever it was.
Speaker 5: And this was twenty years ago. I've done some of
Speaker 5: this stuff as I got older.
Speaker 6: There's so many places that we went twenty years ago
Speaker 6: that I'll probably never go back to.
Speaker 5: And in my.
Speaker 6: Youth, I could, I didn't have the foresight to realize that,
Speaker 6: like you got to do this, like this is the
Speaker 6: thing to do.
Speaker 5: So we do that now. But twenty years ago, I definitely,
Speaker 5: you know, I.
Speaker 6: Had so much like spaghetti bullying knees in my in
Speaker 6: my hotel room room service, rather than going to find
Speaker 6: something awesome that's local.
Speaker 5: And that's just being young and stupid.
Speaker 1: Well it's hard to tell young people to live in
Speaker 1: the moment, for sure. And yeah, when you go through
Speaker 1: something like you you did, you you didn't have any
Speaker 1: time off, like I know what it's like, and you
Speaker 1: all when you did have an hour or two off.
Speaker 1: All you did was want to go to your hotel
Speaker 1: room in order room service. You know, you didn't have
Speaker 1: energy to go out and sight see all these places
Speaker 1: with some people.
Speaker 2: For their own mental health, you know, how to remove yourself,
Speaker 2: so you have a moment to decomp.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because when you do go see these sites, then
Speaker 1: you have that added element again of fans and taking pictures,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's not the normal tourist experience.
Speaker 1: You know, you have to always have that those people
Speaker 1: just looking at you. So yeah, if you if you
Speaker 1: do a little anxiety, it's it's not the best business
Speaker 1: to be in ten years from now, Dan, where we're
Speaker 1: going to see you?
Speaker 3: What are you going to be doing.
Speaker 5: Ten years?
Speaker 3: Are you a psychic?
Speaker 6: Ten years from now, I will be like pacing around
Speaker 6: the sidelines of some soccer field.
Speaker 5: I'm sure of it.
Speaker 6: I've actually like so yeah, I mentioned this before, but
Speaker 6: I'm a co owner of a soccer facility here in
Speaker 6: Arizona called Next Level Soccer.
Speaker 5: Next Next Level Soccer.
Speaker 6: I am pretty positive that you know, we're the only
Speaker 6: soccer club with an owner. Uh that's an international pop superstar,
Speaker 6: that's me. I'm you know, I adopted anybody else, but
Speaker 6: I I've actually I've got like such an appreciation, uh
Speaker 6: and love for mentoring and inspiring these young kids. I
Speaker 6: spend time coaching kids all the way up from like
Speaker 6: three to you know, fifteen.
Speaker 5: Years old, and I love it. I spent so much time.
Speaker 5: And you'll see this as your kids start playing baseball
Speaker 5: or whatever they play. There's so many coaches who are
Speaker 5: like just horrible examples. Oh you're like, it's more about
Speaker 5: them than it is about the kids.
Speaker 1: And those are the majority of my coaches growing up
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 5: And I, you know, it tainted your experience. It took
Speaker 5: the joy away from some of those kids.
Speaker 6: So I try to be a bridge that's just there
Speaker 6: to like make sure they're having fun, make it a
Speaker 6: positive experience, even whether it's like whether you're a talented
Speaker 6: player or or not, Like you should still not leave
Speaker 6: that experience like frustrated by what your coach does. So
Speaker 6: long story short, it's going really well. And that's probably
Speaker 6: what I'll be doing because I spend a lot of
Speaker 6: time doing that.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's great. Now we have some fans.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let's get to some fan questions before you
Speaker 1: let you go, Okay, We've had a lot of people
Speaker 1: wanting to ask you questions dance, so we.
Speaker 5: Just the best about that.
Speaker 1: You know, it's very true, very want Yeah, because like
Speaker 1: I said, you're we've almost finished our first group. It
Speaker 1: might be otown, but yes, you everyone's really been wanting
Speaker 1: you to be on the show.
Speaker 3: So this first question is from Minnie Lahani.
Speaker 2: If you could have any other boy band song as
Speaker 2: an Otown song, what would it be?
Speaker 3: Mmm?
Speaker 5: That's a that's a.
Speaker 1: Good question because I always say nothing all or nothing
Speaker 1: was just WHOA, I ain't seriously, I'm like, I was
Speaker 1: so jealous of that song. I wanted it so badly.
Speaker 1: It's so beautiful.
Speaker 6: We uh we you feel lucky to have that song, so,
Speaker 6: you know, very lucky me personally, I was able to
Speaker 6: like that was where I was able to kind.
Speaker 3: Of step out in a little bit.
Speaker 6: So wow. Okay, So if we if I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 6: gonna try to keep strictly to the question and take
Speaker 6: some of the more urban boy bands out of the equation,
Speaker 6: some of the R and B boy bands, because I
Speaker 6: would pick all of them. I was picked a voice
Speaker 6: the Men's song. I would pick that kind of stuff
Speaker 6: I would probably pick makes me ill.
Speaker 1: By inside No way, did you know that's my favorite song?
Speaker 5: I did not. I had no clue.
Speaker 3: Are you that is my favorite song we've ever done?
Speaker 6: Uh again, because like it was either that one or
Speaker 6: I also really liked girlfriend at the time too, just
Speaker 6: because they were kind of like more in the line
Speaker 6: of like the direction I wanted to go with our band,
Speaker 6: and we just never got to the point where we
Speaker 6: could do that, but those were kind of like that
Speaker 6: was the kind direction I wanted our band to go.
Speaker 1: So yeah, crazy, I mean, I'd love that you chose
Speaker 1: that song because we never released that as a single.
Speaker 1: It's very obscure, but I just love and it's the
Speaker 1: song that all the dudes liked. Like if the dudes
Speaker 1: liked him sing that was their song, they knew every
Speaker 1: word to it.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: I heard a rumor back in the day, so when
Speaker 6: we I heard a rumor that that song possibly could
Speaker 6: have been ours.
Speaker 5: Is that true?
Speaker 6: I don't know if you could confirm a Jani this
Speaker 6: because we were we said we had a meeting with
Speaker 6: some with uh. I forget who it was, and I
Speaker 6: remember at the time they pitched it. I have this
Speaker 6: I have this cumungous song by Shakespeare. It's like, it's
Speaker 6: all set for you. It's all set for you, guys.
Speaker 6: All you gotta do is sign on the dotted line.
Speaker 6: And then we didn't sign with them, and it ended up,
Speaker 6: you know, going to you guys. So I remember thinking like,
Speaker 6: oh wow, when I saw that come out, I remember
Speaker 6: putting in my head like that could have been our song.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Shakespeare and you know who else wrote that, right.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say one of the girls from Candy Birr.
Speaker 1: Candy Birds, Yeah, yeah, and she wrote you know tail
Speaker 1: sees no scrubs, which is.
Speaker 3: Kind of like in the same kind of vibe.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it's I have to I'm gonna
Speaker 1: text her and see if we were not the first choice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Candy Candy.
Speaker 6: I mean if if given the choice, they would have
Speaker 6: easily picked in sank Over Town at the time, but
Speaker 6: we would have had to scoop it up before you
Speaker 6: guys even knew it.
Speaker 1: I love that sound. When I've heard the dem I'm
Speaker 1: like this, I love it. I love it and not
Speaker 1: everyone was jumping for joy for that. Even the record
Speaker 1: labels like it's an album filler.
Speaker 3: We're like, guys, this is so good.
Speaker 1: And then I liked it even more when we did
Speaker 1: it on tour because it was just a fun one
Speaker 1: to do on tour. We were like playing doctors and all.
Speaker 3: This type of thuff.
Speaker 1: It was stupid, but I loved performing that one.
Speaker 3: I have another one, I sure do from Wendeln is
Speaker 3: Oton working on a new album? Do we have a
Speaker 3: new album on the works.
Speaker 5: No, I hate to disappoint at least I think I know.
Speaker 6: Sorry at this point in our career, as bad as
Speaker 6: you say, like the album albums is not going to
Speaker 6: be in the cards maybe singles moving forward.
Speaker 1: It is a single market.
Speaker 5: It's a single market really, the album.
Speaker 6: The album, we don't get enough out of it, you know,
Speaker 6: in terms of what we do. We're not making money
Speaker 6: off it being played on the radio. And that's nor
Speaker 6: is that our goal recently or well?
Speaker 1: You have to have the fans what they want and
Speaker 1: they want to hear the hits, you know, with your
Speaker 1: legacy if it is hard when you because I remember
Speaker 1: when we did our stadium tour, we we played a
Speaker 1: lot of our songs from the Celebrity album on that
Speaker 1: tour before that album was even out, and every time
Speaker 1: you would do a song that no one heard it was,
Speaker 1: it wasn't fun because they're just sits, right. They can't
Speaker 1: enjoy because they don't know the words and they're listening
Speaker 1: to like, oh, I've never heard this before. So it
Speaker 1: just is not fun on tour to do new songs
Speaker 1: because they're just not you know, that's not what they.
Speaker 3: Want, y, Yeah, you can't work with it. Yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 6: And it could be the it could be the best
Speaker 6: song in the world too, but if it does, like,
Speaker 6: not every song you record translates live like we for
Speaker 6: on the most recent album, I wrote a song which
Speaker 6: was I love It's called empty Space, and it's like
Speaker 6: when you put it on in the car, it's a
Speaker 6: type of song you could listen to over and over,
Speaker 6: but it never translated.
Speaker 5: Live one because people don't not enough people know it.
Speaker 5: But too it's just.
Speaker 6: Like there was just something about it that just never
Speaker 6: really clicked with the audience. And so like ultimately, yeah,
Speaker 6: like very rarely do we go to shows and we
Speaker 6: and we can put in one of our album cuts.
Speaker 6: People want to hear the hits, even though it gets
Speaker 6: old us, they want to hear and they want to
Speaker 6: hear it. They want to hear it how they remember it.
Speaker 6: They don't want to hear like O Town. They want
Speaker 6: to hear All or Nothing remixed.
Speaker 5: They want to hear.
Speaker 1: A remix and they're like, no, that is not what
Speaker 1: I want.
Speaker 2: It's actually just came out with two Point, which I like,
Speaker 2: which is great. It's just their new voices singing on tour.
Speaker 1: Is there which song is the best opening song? And
Speaker 1: which is the best closing song? And does it change?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 3: It?
Speaker 6: Well, we've tried a bunch of them. First of all,
Speaker 6: All or Nothing. We kind of feel like have to
Speaker 6: close the show. It's the only way we it's the
Speaker 6: only way we can do it. What's kind of become
Speaker 6: the default opener song is Liquid Dreams, not because it's
Speaker 6: the best, but because we like to get it out
Speaker 6: of the way.
Speaker 3: That's amazing, so we like to kind.
Speaker 5: Of get get it over with.
Speaker 6: But we've tried a couple other ones, but ultimately, like
Speaker 6: nothing really fits as well opening the show as Liquid
Speaker 6: dream Yeah, it feels weird doing that song in the
Speaker 6: middle of the show for some reason, because most it's
Speaker 6: it's very boy bandy, very kind of cheesy, and so
Speaker 6: to kind of like go from a bunch of stuff
Speaker 6: that maybe isn't that to kind of like drop it in.
Speaker 5: The middle, just always felt weird and hit get it
Speaker 5: out of the way.
Speaker 1: And this is one of your biggest hits too, so
Speaker 1: it kind of like, you know, you show the like, yep,
Speaker 1: this is us. So I was gonna ask what is
Speaker 1: your least favorite song to perform and I'm assuming it's
Speaker 1: Liquid Dreams now, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's Liquid Dreams. Yeah, And I think that's pretty
Speaker 5: much across the board, like none of us, like, I.
Speaker 1: Feel like everyone's kind of said, but it's so I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just one of those songs also that people love
Speaker 1: to talk about because it was one of the very
Speaker 1: first internet sex songs there and a time that was
Speaker 1: very innocent.
Speaker 3: That people might not have known.
Speaker 1: You know what Liquid Dreams were, you guys were and
Speaker 1: these wet dreams out there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're yeah, we were very risky.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you were ahead of your time, really was.
Speaker 5: We should have just called it nocturnal emissions straight to the.
Speaker 3: Same bunch. Yeah, I know, no, all right, And we
Speaker 3: have one more question from the fans from Elmo three
Speaker 3: nine zero seven. What did you think of the guys
Speaker 3: when you first met them, did you did you when
Speaker 3: you first his first impressions.
Speaker 6: After a few homes, I actually I've I felt very
Speaker 6: out of place for most of them, not only when
Speaker 6: I first met them, when we went to Orlando to
Speaker 6: try out for making the band.
Speaker 5: Like again, I'm from Ohio.
Speaker 6: It's like all these other guys were, you know, the
Speaker 6: guys ended up making the band were from New York
Speaker 6: or California, which is just like it was so different
Speaker 6: than what than.
Speaker 1: What I knew more like experience, yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, and so I just felt so out
Speaker 5: of place.
Speaker 6: And honestly that kind of like when I got in
Speaker 6: the band, I felt out of place for probably the
Speaker 6: first year.
Speaker 5: There was all these like.
Speaker 6: Little inside jokes and little like like cool things that
Speaker 6: they did that I just wasn't cool enough to kind
Speaker 6: of like grasp onto. Yet I was still very Ohio,
Speaker 6: you know, Like you know, in Ohio, Mexican food is
Speaker 6: very different than what Mexican food tastes like in California, you.
Speaker 5: Know, and like how can you really be cool if
Speaker 5: you don't know what real Mexican food tastes and you know,
Speaker 5: so yeah, I.
Speaker 6: Mean it took me a long time, but I definitely.
Speaker 6: I thought they were so weird. I thought they were
Speaker 6: like weirdo California guys. You know just like I thought
Speaker 6: I thought, Yeah, I definitely didn't fit in all.
Speaker 1: Right, before I let you go, we need to know
Speaker 1: what you're binging right now, what you have stuck in
Speaker 1: your head? So what television show do we need to
Speaker 1: be watching and binging right now?
Speaker 5: Do you? I'm what do you?
Speaker 6: Guys honestly have time to binge shows when you have
Speaker 6: kids at night?
Speaker 1: Yes, we get in bed and we like, right now,
Speaker 1: we're we're binging Manifest, which we watched years ago, but
Speaker 1: then Netflix just brought it back, so we started it
Speaker 1: over from season one. So every night he always falls
Speaker 1: asleep first, but he'll get through maybe one episode and
Speaker 1: then I'll end up watching three episodes and then I
Speaker 1: fall asleep. So this that's our binge time.
Speaker 5: But then do you but then you have to like
Speaker 5: watch those two episodes again?
Speaker 2: Yeah kind of no, because this show that we're binging,
Speaker 2: I'm only half watching.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I give him a show that he can.
Speaker 2: Watch when I fall asleep, So it's like I'm halfway
Speaker 2: from what's.
Speaker 1: The other one that you I watched? Without you kind
Speaker 1: of there's so many Yeah, oh sbu. I've watched every
Speaker 1: single episode of SB every single those with you, and
Speaker 1: we still have more seasons now to catch up.
Speaker 5: Boks.
Speaker 3: We had caught up during the pandemic.
Speaker 5: Wow, it's good. Uh yeah. My wife and I we
Speaker 5: don't really watch we don't have our own shows. Everything
Speaker 5: is this, Everything is the same.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: But at this point the time my kids go to bed,
Speaker 6: I'm I'm kind of wiped out. So no, but we've
Speaker 6: been kind of as a family, we've been working our way.
Speaker 5: My kids are just starting to get into like some
Speaker 5: of the Marvel stuff.
Speaker 6: So like we you know, we went back through this
Speaker 6: is a Marvel we started, we went through the Star
Speaker 6: Wars stuff together as a family, and then we did
Speaker 6: we did the Pirates of the Caribbean and now now
Speaker 6: we're in the Spider Man kind of thing and the
Speaker 6: kids kind of are getting into it.
Speaker 5: But I don't think that.
Speaker 6: Counts as what you're going for with binging, because.
Speaker 5: You know, these are these are some of these things,
Speaker 5: they're like thirty years old.
Speaker 3: It counts, It totally counts. Okay, what about music? Is
Speaker 3: there what should we be listening? Is there a song
Speaker 3: or an artist that you're currently it could be old school.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, what am I binging right now again?
Speaker 5: I'm so lame?
Speaker 6: Uh all I I listened to I listened to sports
Speaker 6: podcasts and very and very little music.
Speaker 5: Yep, yeah told you.
Speaker 6: I mean it's like for a musician, I am the
Speaker 6: least musician and musician of all times.
Speaker 5: You're just around like music. I don't. I don't really
Speaker 5: listen that much music. I've never had an alcoholic drink
Speaker 5: in my life.
Speaker 6: I've never smoked any.
Speaker 5: Sort of legal substance yep.
Speaker 6: And I don't like people like all of these things,
Speaker 6: like do not like why are you even talking to you?
Speaker 6: Why we're just honored your here when you when you
Speaker 6: guys reach out to me like, I hope they know
Speaker 6: what they're getting into.
Speaker 5: I am not fun.
Speaker 1: Well, I will have to disagree. You are very fun.
Speaker 1: I love your personality and you're I mean, you're great.
Speaker 1: You're an amazing artist, You're an incredible man and an
Speaker 1: incredible father, and it's just it's been great getting to
Speaker 1: know you these last few years because you are you're
Speaker 1: You're a great guy, and we wish everything good for
Speaker 1: you in the future. Whatever you take your career and
Speaker 1: soccer career. We will be watching and will definitely be
Speaker 1: coming out and seeing you on the Pop two thousand
Speaker 1: tour a lot. Is there anything you would like to
Speaker 1: tell your lovely fans listening right now?
Speaker 6: First of all, Lance Michael, thank you. You guys are awesome
Speaker 6: and that was very nice. Just uh, you know, we
Speaker 6: always appreciate the love and we appreciate them just sticking
Speaker 6: with us, uh through.
Speaker 5: All this time. As we get older and grayer, we
Speaker 5: will continue to be out there. And even though it's
Speaker 5: harder and harder for me to get away, I still
Speaker 5: enjoy every single time I go jump out on stage
Speaker 5: and get to perform for them.
Speaker 3: So you can tell for sure.
Speaker 1: Wait, do y'all haven't y'all have a name or what townies?
Speaker 3: What is it?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: We got town townies? Are happy?
Speaker 3: All right, Dan?
Speaker 1: It was lovely, lovely catching up with you and enjoy
Speaker 1: the rest of your day. Hopefully you have a soccer
Speaker 1: game you get to go help coach at.
Speaker 5: I got a soccer practice to run tonight.
Speaker 1: All right, Get my love to the family, Yes, all right,
Speaker 1: send you all right, buddy, Any guys, thank you? Dan
Speaker 1: is so sweet, I know I always say it every
Speaker 1: single everyone's so, that's so nice.
Speaker 3: The whole group is.
Speaker 1: So can we get an asshole boy band member?
Speaker 3: Please?
Speaker 1: iHeart, come on, we need someone that's just difficult because
Speaker 1: they're all just too nice.
Speaker 2: Well, don't look at me, don't look at me. I
Speaker 2: could interview you at any point. I knew you're about
Speaker 2: to say any point.
Speaker 3: Because I'll answer a question.
Speaker 1: Ask a question now, Okay, why are you so open
Speaker 1: that up?
Speaker 3: Why are you the worst boy band? Oh my gosh? Why?
Speaker 1: Well, that's all the show I have for you today.
Speaker 3: So uh wow, all right?
Speaker 1: Is there anything you would you like to say anything
Speaker 1: to the Do we have named people?
Speaker 3: Do we have fans of the show?
Speaker 2: Do we have named people like our children's what Alexander
Speaker 2: and Violet Varsa tippers? Frosty frost Frosty's are Frosty's. Yeah,
Speaker 2: little Frosty's.
Speaker 1: They're a little frost I love that Tippers, A little tipper.
Speaker 1: We're gonna work shop. Why don't you d m us
Speaker 1: instagram our TikTok, which is blowing up right now. So
Speaker 1: dm us there, tell us what you want us to
Speaker 1: call you?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Frosty's tippers, not cow tippers.
Speaker 1: I don't know the frosty frosty Frosty's.
Speaker 3: I know a little extra frosting we got. They can
Speaker 3: be a little give a little snowflakes. They can be
Speaker 3: little cupcakes. Okay, this is going down fast, all.
Speaker 1: Right, little cupcakes, that's all the show I have for you.
Speaker 1: Be good to each other, don't drink and drive out there.
Speaker 1: Be good to those animals because they will be good
Speaker 1: to you. They'll be good to you anyway. But we'll
Speaker 1: see you next time. I'll frost tips. But until then,