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Speaker 2: It's a two pros and a cup of Joe, but

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Speaker 2: Every single day I feel a little better about it.

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Speaker 2: You know the blockbuster we got Friday night, I'm sitting

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Speaker 3: Although I maintain that the Jacksonville Jaguars were two plays

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Speaker 3: They lost in the first round of the Bills. You

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's really tough, especially because there are going

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Speaker 3: But Lamar was not in love with the things that

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Speaker 2: When you are a bad team, you have to approach

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Speaker 4: They are not hoarding them.

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Speaker 2: drastically for somebody that I'm not even sure really belongs

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Speaker 2: also that is just an organization that has drafted so

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Speaker 2: well so often that they have the wiggle room to

436
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Speaker 2: make a miss, to have a miss. If you're getting

437
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Speaker 2: most of your picks right and you miss on the

438
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Speaker 2: first rounder, it's not as catastrophic. The problem is it's

439
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Speaker 2: just tougher to look at that you mentioned, like the

440
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Speaker 2: candy store on the Christmas Day, feel like today for

441
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Speaker 2: so many fans is going to feel like the day

442
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Speaker 2: that you fix your team, and it just isn't. I know,

443
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,240
Speaker 2: it was last year for the Patriots, and the Patriots

444
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 2: went on a run spending a lot of money. For

445
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Speaker 2: the most part, with an elevated salary cap, teams have

446
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Speaker 2: more of their own money than ever to spend buck like,

447
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, most of the talent

448
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Speaker 2: that is worth keeping will be kept. There are one

449
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Speaker 2: or two players that are going to come out of

450
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Speaker 2: this year's free agency that are really worth breaking the bank.

451
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Speaker 2: For the rest. You are going to overpay for talent

452
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Speaker 2: and you're just gonna have to because your team sucks

453
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Speaker 2: and you have no choice but to overbake it. You

454
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Speaker 2: got to have somebody on your team. But it doesn't

455
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Speaker 2: fix things. The real fix is in April, and it's

456
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Speaker 2: not day one of the draft. It's stay two and

457
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Speaker 2: day three.

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Speaker 3: Well, and we've dubbed that the we suck luxury tax

459
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Speaker 3: here in Tennessee when you're a paying middling to you know,

460
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Speaker 3: slightly above average talent to come and join your team

461
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Speaker 3: because you have to overpay in those situations. Even if

462
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Speaker 3: you are in a state like Tennessee where there's no

463
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Speaker 3: state income tax and that is a bigger draw, you

464
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Speaker 3: are still going to have to overpay in a lot

465
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Speaker 3: of these situations. It is so much less fun to

466
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Speaker 3: talk about the usage of cap space being for the

467
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Speaker 3: players that you organically draft. But again, I'm gonna work

468
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Speaker 3: this through a local prism just because it's an easy

469
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Speaker 3: thing for me to do.

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Speaker 4: Here.

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Speaker 3: With the Titans, they have the second most cap space

472
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Speaker 3: in the NFL, behind the Raiders, at least heading into

473
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Speaker 3: twenty this offseason. So heading into twenty twenty six, they've

474
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Speaker 3: got room to work with with just a little under

475
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Speaker 3: one hundred million dollars an available cap. They have two

476
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Speaker 3: players on their roster who may were not who were

477
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Speaker 3: not drafted by the current general manager, but who are

478
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Speaker 3: absolutely essential to retain. It's right guard Peter Skironsky and

479
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Speaker 3: All Pro defensive tackle Jeffrey Simmons. That's the priority with

480
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Speaker 3: the Titans cap space. It's not going out and spending

481
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Speaker 3: I mean, even though they might and it sounds like

482
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Speaker 3: they will spend twenty million dollars plus a year on

483
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Speaker 3: Wandale Robinson and maybe they get into the market for

484
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Speaker 3: Tyler Linderbaum at the top of the center market this year.

485
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Speaker 3: Their priority, every team's priority. That cap space is for

486
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Speaker 3: your players, not for your big budget line items to

487
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Speaker 3: go out and buy on free agency every year. If

488
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Speaker 3: you're doing this correctly. The cap space is supposed to

489
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Speaker 3: be for the guys that you nail in the draft,

490
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Speaker 3: except so few one. You're dealing with a couple of

491
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Speaker 3: different factors here, but first and foremost, you're dealing with

492
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Speaker 3: the fact that owners are impatient and a lot of

493
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Speaker 3: time you don't have the runway necessary to get two

494
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Speaker 3: second contracts on some of those players you're dealing you're

495
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Speaker 3: operating at best in three year windows. In the average

496
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Speaker 3: rookie contract or the standard rookie contract in the NFL,

497
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Speaker 3: is four So you're talking about circumstances.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, guys can be.

499
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Speaker 3: Extension eligible after they complete their third NFL season, but still,

500
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Speaker 3: I mean, you get into a situation where guys start

501
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Speaker 3: to feel pressed in their jobs. All of a sudden,

502
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Speaker 3: they're buying players in ways.

503
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Speaker 4: That you do.

504
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Speaker 3: Buying players sounds wrong, but they're paying for players in

505
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Speaker 3: ways that they might not otherwise have done because all

506
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Speaker 3: of a sudden, the discipline and sticking to your process

507
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Speaker 3: and your plan that you've said over and over and

508
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 3: over again that all sounds well and good and easier

509
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Speaker 3: said than done, because you've got an owner breathing down

510
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Speaker 3: your neck about why is our record still you know,

511
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Speaker 3: five and twelve or whatever it is, and you're just saying,

512
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Speaker 3: you know, just give be be a little patient here,

513
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Speaker 3: give me the necessary runway to actually build this into

514
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Speaker 3: a sustainable thing. You don't get time to build this

515
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Speaker 3: thing sustainably unless you almost have some immediate evidence of

516
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Speaker 3: turnaround right away. And for places like Las Vegas and

517
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Speaker 3: Tennessee and other teams that have been bottom dwellers for

518
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Speaker 3: the last couple of years. In the case of the Raiders,

519
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 3: it's felt like quite some time, partly because of the

520
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 3: division that they play in. But still you understand you're

521
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Speaker 3: dealing with circumstances and a lot of situations that are

522
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Speaker 3: just beyond your control, and owners don't want to hear that.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and

524
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Speaker 1: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and

525
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Speaker 1: Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern, three am Pacific.

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Speaker 2: And in a move that surprises no one, the Dolphins

527
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Speaker 2: are releasing quarterback two at Tounguevalowe with the post June

528
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Speaker 2: first designation. So, according to Schefty, by cutting to Miami

529
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Speaker 2: takes on an NFL record ninety nine million dollars in

530
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Speaker 2: dead money split over two years, ninety nine million bucks

531
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Speaker 2: over two years. So it took all of what three

532
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Speaker 2: seasons for the massive cap pit of RUSS to just

533
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Speaker 2: be squashed ninety nine million dollars in dead cap money.

534
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Speaker 2: But this is what had to happen. In my mind, Buck,

535
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Speaker 2: this was very simple. The Miami Dolphins knew that Tua

536
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Speaker 2: wasn't going to be part of their future. Everybody in

537
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 2: the league knew it, which meant it was going to

538
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 2: be difficult to try and pull off any trade. Given

539
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 2: you trade for the player, you trade for the contract.

540
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Speaker 2: They tried to find some creative ways to do it,

541
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Speaker 2: but at the end of the day, the writing was

542
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Speaker 2: on the wall. New organization at this point, new GM,

543
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Speaker 2: new head coach, knew everything. This starts an absolute rip

544
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Speaker 2: up rebuild. I believe that the Dolphins are telling us

545
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Speaker 2: right now that they understand that this is step one

546
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Speaker 2: of a massive reset for the entire organization and they'd

547
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Speaker 2: rather go into this season and just suck and figure

548
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Speaker 2: it out than go into this season with Tua as

549
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Speaker 2: their quarterback.

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Speaker 3: This is the statement that the team put out on

551
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Speaker 3: behalf of John Eric Sullivan, the new GM I recently

552
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Speaker 3: informed Tua and his representation that we are going to

553
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Speaker 3: move in a new direction at the quarterback position and

554
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Speaker 3: will be releasing him after the start of the new

555
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Speaker 3: league year. As I shared with Tua, I have great

556
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Speaker 3: respect for the person and player he is on behalf

557
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Speaker 3: of the Miami Dolphins. I expressed our gratitude for his

558
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 3: many contributions both on the field and in the community

559
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Speaker 3: during his six seasons in Miami.

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Speaker 4: As we move.

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Speaker 3: Forward, we will be focused on infusing competition across the

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Speaker 3: roster and establishing a strong foundation for this team as

563
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Speaker 3: we work towards building a sustained winner. So it sounds

564
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Speaker 3: like they tried a million different ways to move him

565
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Speaker 3: because they didn't want to have to eat the cap hit.

566
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Speaker 3: They're on the hook for fifty four million dollars in

567
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty six, minus whatever another team ends up paying him,

568
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 3: which he can play for the league minimum, So it's

569
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Speaker 3: not like that. It's not like anybody's going to be

570
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Speaker 3: doing the Dolphins any favor by giving to a significant deal.

571
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Speaker 3: So he will likely play for the minimum somewhere this year,

572
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Speaker 3: and Miami takes the rest on and of course, you know,

573
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Speaker 3: we'll still be on the hook for a chunk of.

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Speaker 4: That money twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 3: How are we going to remember the Tua tenure with

576
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Speaker 3: the Dolphins, is my question, because that that for a

577
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Speaker 3: moment where he spans two different coaching staffs. Right when

578
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Speaker 3: he gets drafted in the first round a couple of

579
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Speaker 3: years ago. Brian Flores is the coach there, Brian Flora.

580
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Speaker 3: The Brian Flora situation never felt like a match. Flores

581
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Speaker 3: didn't seem interested in drafting Tua. They kept trying to

582
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Speaker 3: start Ryan Fitzpatrick that first season at every turn. Then

583
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Speaker 3: they had a decent string of success. They weren't a

584
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Speaker 3: disaster under Brian Flores, if I remember correctly. They had

585
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Speaker 3: like a seven or eight game win streak a couple

586
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Speaker 3: of years ago with Tua and Flores that ended actually

587
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Speaker 3: here in Tennessee. They ended up losing a game by

588
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Speaker 3: a substantial margin to the Titans. That ended that win streak.

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Speaker 3: And that was about the height of the Miami Tua

590
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Speaker 3: experience with Flores. Then Mike McDaniel comes in as two,

591
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Speaker 3: is my guy. I know exactly how to make this

592
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 3: guy work. They put together one of the best offenses

593
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Speaker 3: we've seen in the NFL in recent memory, and they

594
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Speaker 3: trade for Tyreek Hill, who I mean was an MVP

595
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 3: candidate or should have been thought of as an MVP candidate.

596
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Speaker 3: How many votes he actually got those two years where

597
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 3: he was operating an incredibly high level. You could say,

598
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Speaker 3: there's not a better offensive there was not a better

599
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 3: offensive weapon in the league then Tyreek in that Mike

600
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Speaker 3: McDaniel system and two of putting up MVP type of numbers.

601
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Speaker 3: But he's just he's such a he's such a complicated one.

602
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Speaker 4: And this is the thing that Dolphins fans have to

603
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 4: be sick of. How many times.

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Speaker 3: Are they going to go through this with a quarterback

605
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Speaker 3: who you know, you can't ever really figure out, like

606
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Speaker 3: Tua was probably shot at the end at the end

607
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 3: of this situation in Miami way more so than another

608
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Speaker 3: you know reference for me here locally, Ryan Tannehill, who

609
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Speaker 3: was good enough in Spurts got them to the postseason,

610
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Speaker 3: injured before that playoff game. Matt Moore ends up starting

611
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Speaker 3: a playoff game against the Steelers. So Ryan Tannehill actually

612
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Speaker 3: never makes or plays in the postseason for Miami gets

613
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Speaker 3: shipped off to Tennessee in twenty nineteen for pieces and parts.

614
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Speaker 3: They have to end up paying some of his salary

615
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Speaker 3: for him to come here and be the backup to

616
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Speaker 3: Marcus Mariota at the time, and then when Mariota fails,

617
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Speaker 3: they put Tannehill in the Titans maker run to the

618
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Speaker 3: AFC Championship Game. Tannehill resurges and ends up signing a

619
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Speaker 3: fat contract in twenty twenty to become the Titans franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 3: There for a period of time. I don't think that

621
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Speaker 3: two has got that same trajectory.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I don't remember the dialogue around Tannehill back in

624
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Speaker 3: nineteen but maybe people were also calling it a career

625
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Speaker 3: on Ryan Tannehill at the time and he ended up

626
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Speaker 3: having a really nice resurgence. How are we going to

627
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Speaker 3: remember to his time in Miami because I have to

628
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Speaker 3: imagine Dolphins fans thought they really really had something and

629
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Speaker 3: then of those first couple of opportunities for them to

630
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Speaker 3: go to the postseason where they spun out badly as

631
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Speaker 3: they did, and we all know the record in Cold

632
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Speaker 3: Weather for two a tongue of aloa, I don't know

633
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Speaker 3: that they view it much different than the Tannehill experience,

634
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Speaker 3: even though there was a little bit more postseason opportunity

635
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Speaker 3: than there was with Tannehill.

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Speaker 2: There's a trajectory with every young quarterback. Right when you

637
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: watch your young quarterback play really well, everybody falls in love.

638
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 2: This is just like immediately, no, we got our guy.

639
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: We got a guy for the next fifteen years, and

640
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden a few years in, unless

641
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: your guy really elevates and becomes that clearly that same

642
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: tier as Joe Burrow, as Josh Allen, as Patrick Mahomes,

643
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: for everybody else that's on that next tier, even all

644
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: of a sudden, that same level of praise that you

645
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: were being given, that hyped you up is now being

646
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 2: thrown on your shoulders as weight. So to your point,

647
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: early on into his career, there was this moment where

648
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 2: when he comes off of the twenty twenty two season

649
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Speaker 2: where he throws for thirty five one hundred yards twenty

650
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Speaker 2: five and eight, right like the year after that forty

651
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Speaker 2: six hundred yards twenty nine and fourteen on the touchdown

652
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Speaker 2: interception ratio. Like you're talking about an offense that was

653
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Speaker 2: becoming explosive, and just this moment where you saw it,

654
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 2: Dolphins fans everywhere believed they had their guy. I think

655
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 2: we're going to remember a lot of the Tua era,

656
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: right or wrong for the concussions, because if you look

657
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: at the games played, twenty twenty three is the only

658
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,479
Speaker 2: season in his career where he played more than fourteen games.

659
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: Every other season in his entire career, he's missed at

660
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 2: least three games, right, So you just start to factor

661
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: all this together. I think what we think about is

662
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: sort of the size of Tua, and we think about

663
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 2: the hits the Tua has taken. And I've long said

664
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: repeatedly he talked to his own doctors, team doctors. Everybody

665
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: around Tua believes and believed that it was safe for

666
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: him to get back on the field. But collectively, I

667
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: think most of us hold our breath every time he

668
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 2: takes a hard sack. Every single time he hits the

669
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 2: ground hard, everybody takes pause. And So if you're the

670
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,719
Speaker 2: Dolphins in a new organization coming in, you're coming in

671
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 2: with a guy that at the quarterback position has made

672
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 2: it clear he's an I love you man. He needs

673
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: to be supported, he needs to have coaches around him

674
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 2: that make him feel value. That's the environment he thrives in.

675
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: You got to figure out if that guy is your guy,

676
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: he costs you a ton of money, He's got injury issues,

677
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: He's missed a lot of time in his career, and

678
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: he may or may not have recurring concussion issues. If

679
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: I was the head coach of the Dolphins today, I

680
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 2: look at it and say, you know what, I'd rather

681
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 2: just cut ties and go through this period to suck. Unfortunately,

682
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: I think if we're grading this chapter of Tua, the

683
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: fair grade is really kind of an incomplete. We never

684
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 2: really saw the best of what I think he could be.

685
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: I don't think that we ever saw the worst in

686
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 2: a way that made it easy to just say this

687
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: guy sucks. And if certainly, if he goes somewhere else

688
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 2: buck and he's healthy, if he goes somewhere else, and

689
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 2: that portion of it takes care of itself, you never know,

690
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: right system, right place, maybe two has got something left

691
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: in the tank. I just certain would not be banking

692
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 2: my franchise on Tuaitungovolo as my future starting quarterback.

693
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 3: No, and now a franchise doesn't have to, right because

694
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 3: he can play for the league minimum. It will give

695
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 3: you a low end flyer opportunity for them to try

696
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 3: and Wressell Wilson. Pittsburgh Steelers their way through a season,

697
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 3: he's probably, I don't know, a starter somewhere in the caliber.

698
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 3: If you were if you were saying one to thirty two,

699
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:33,839
Speaker 3: where which you slot to, you'd probably say low twenties

700
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 3: to early thirties As far as where he falls amongst

701
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 3: starting caliber quarterbacks, high end backup situation for sure. Right,

702
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 3: he's got a lot of experience. He's played a lot

703
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 3: of football, despite how much time he's missed, he has

704
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 3: at least a level of understanding of NFL defenses that

705
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 3: will give him an advantage to an extent. But that's

706
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 3: who is going to be in the market to make

707
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 3: to of their starter like that? That reeks of a

708
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 3: desperation type situation. How many teams really understanding that there

709
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 3: are eight open for business and one of them was Miami? Right,

710
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,919
Speaker 3: so let's just theoretically say seven, Who is gonna who

711
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 3: is gonna do that with two of those?

712
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 4: Like Russ? I got right, Russ, and Russ was.

713
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 2: Right, I'd rather have two of them.

714
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:20,760
Speaker 4: Russ.

715
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 2: No, Russ was washed? Well, yeah, now no, I said that.

716
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 2: I was clear on that at the time. Russ was

717
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 2: clearly washed when he went like that, there was no

718
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 2: when if you're Sean Payton and you look around and say,

719
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: I'd rather pay eighty million bucks to not have this

720
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 2: guy around. That to me, it was a clear indication

721
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 2: that he was absolutely washed. Like, I hear you. But

722
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 2: I'm also looking at right now, according to multiple sites,

723
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 2: but if you look at the best top ten free

724
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 2: agent quarterbacks available, I'll just pull this one ranking up.

725
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: These are the names that are available. You mentioned there's

726
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 2: eight openings. Number one, Kyler Murray, number two, Malik Willis,

727
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 2: number three, Kirk Cousins, number four, Era Rogers, number five,

728
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 2: Joe Flacco. Like that's what so so to your question,

729
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: I mean, we get to Flacco and Mariota before we've

730
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 2: even had the chance to blink, right, Like, so, I

731
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: think that there's gonna be a market for Tua simply

732
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 2: because there aren't enough quarterbacks out here. The look, you

733
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 2: got to have somebody, You have somebody as your starting quarterback. No,

734
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 2: but what are the Jets actually gonna do at quarterback

735
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: this year?

736
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 3: You don't see the reporting from Connor Hughes at s

737
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 3: n Y that Carson Wentz is Frank Reich's preferred option.

738
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 2: My god, and the Cardinals saw the reporting the Cardinals

739
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 2: are all in on Jimmy G. The Cardinals want to

740
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 2: acquire Jimmy G. Like, we're gonna Carson Wentz and Jimmy

741
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 2: G are going to be viable starting quarterbacks this year?

742
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: What are we doing?

743
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 4: Okay, well, let's they can be starting quarterbacks without.

744
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: Being viable, right, OK, that is a fair put.

745
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 3: And and I don't you know, I don't mean to

746
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 3: make of Carson Wentz or Garoppolo or Flacco or any

747
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 3: of these guys. We're just out here trying to make

748
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 3: a career.

749
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 4: I don't know.

750
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 3: I felt bad for Carson Wentz last year man in

751
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 3: that Minnesota game where he's just clearly not right and

752
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 3: they leave him out there and he's battling through injuries.

753
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, you know, two days later he's

754
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 3: done for the season. And like, I can't remember what

755
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 3: the shoulder injury was exactly, but it sounded awful what

756
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 3: he was playing through.

757
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 4: And Carson Wentz is credit he battled.

758
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 3: I I think that the Tua thing, well, because it's

759
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 3: not just the caliber of the player, right, how much

760
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 3: do we factor in the personality stuff with Tua? Because

761
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 3: he's had some weird I know, just weird press conference moments.

762
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 3: These last couple of years, he's had weird dynamics, it seems,

763
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 3: with his coaching staff and his teammates as far as

764
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 3: how much do these guys actually respect him and view

765
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 3: him as a leader. Some of the some of the erraticisms. Again,

766
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 3: you don't know what to attribute to some of the

767
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 3: some of the head injuries that he's had versus you know,

768
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 3: maybe he's just a bit of an eccentric guy and

769
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 3: handles things differently and says too much at press conferences

770
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 3: like whatever. I don't want to read too much into that,

771
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 3: but I don't know, he feels like a bit of

772
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 3: a sideshow situation. I don't know that he's more viable

773
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 3: than Garoppolo or like.

774
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 4: I mean, Winz. I don't know.

775
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 3: Winz was just in the league last year and he

776
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 3: wasn't that much worse than Tua.

777
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 2: I just kind of I kind of view them the

778
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:35,879
Speaker 2: same way.

779
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 3: At this point. They can start because a lot of

780
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 3: quarterbacks end up starting in the NFL. I think in

781
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 3: the last couple of years we've had anywhere between sixty

782
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 3: and sixty five players start a game at the quarterback position.

783
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 3: So yeah, Tua and Wentz and Jimmy g they can

784
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 3: all start games. Flacco is still starting games. Hell, we

785
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 3: just saw Philip Rivers start games at forty four years old,

786
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 3: how many years removed from being in the NFL. So

787
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 3: it's not a question of can he do it, it's

788
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 3: a question of is it worth it to you to

789
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 3: give him that opportunity to be the front facing member

790
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 3: of your organization, because I just don't think he handled

791
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 3: it well in Miami, and maybe he can learn and

792
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 3: grow from that. Right, this is a humbling experience for anybody,

793
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 3: especially if a team is willing to eat, you know,

794
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 3: in principal ninety nine million dollars.

795
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 4: To make you go away at the end of the day.

796
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 3: Maybe that makes you reevaluate, all right, this is what

797
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 3: I did right, this is what I did wrong, This

798
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 3: is what I'll do differently the next time around.

799
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 4: And I hope he gets that opportunity.

800
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 3: But I don't ever remember having as much conversation about

801
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 3: should a player actually continue to play this sport as

802
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 3: I do too a given the concussion stuff,