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Speaker 1: Good news everyone.

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Speaker 2: I listened to The Black Guy Who Tips podcast because

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Speaker 2: Rod and Karen are hot.

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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome to another episode of The Black Guy to

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Speaker 1: his podcast. I am your host Rod, joined us always

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Speaker 1: by my co host Karen, and we're live on a Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: Yay.

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Speaker 1: You may be like, did y'all not do a show

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Speaker 1: Sunday and Monday? You are correct, Okay, it was not

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Speaker 1: a TYPEO. It wasn't an air and the feed washed

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Speaker 1: the life. Hashtag wash life is what they're calling it.

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Speaker 2: Hashtag old, hashtag old.

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Speaker 1: Karen worked out a couple of times and then she

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Speaker 1: h she just suddenly couldn't. She couldn't, she couldn't stay

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Speaker 1: up fast eight o'clock.

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Speaker 4: Who this mother was like, I don't know what you

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Speaker 4: think you doing. We ain't done this in a hot minute,

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Speaker 4: so you know what you need to do. Go wanna

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Speaker 4: sit your step down somewhere. I got a mini cold.

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Speaker 1: It was like, you know what, shout out to the

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Speaker 1: VR workout. We have the Oculus quest uh two and

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Speaker 1: we do the supernatural workout. And I did it yesterday

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Speaker 1: and I woke up this morning my back was was

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Speaker 1: was filling?

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Speaker 4: It works, Honey, your knees be hot, hot, everything be hot.

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Speaker 1: You'd be like, oh, but that's that's not that. That's

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Speaker 1: neither here nor there. Okay. We also have a very

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Speaker 1: special guest today, first time guest on the show. Today's

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Speaker 1: guest is covenor of the Black Women's Stitch uh pot No,

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Speaker 1: Black Women's Stitch Group, host and producer of the Stitch

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Speaker 1: Please podcast, and Game of Thrones professor Lisa Wolfork. What's

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Speaker 1: going Wolfork? What's going on? Lisa?

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Speaker 3: Hey, Hey, friends, Hey, thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 3: I am so excited to be here. It is a

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Speaker 3: real honor.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you for coming on.

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Speaker 1: The First thing I want to ask you about, I mean,

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Speaker 1: ask you about that. But the stitching, I want to

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Speaker 1: ask you about that, Like, one, how'd you get into stitching?

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Speaker 1: I was listening to your podcast to do like some

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Speaker 1: research and stuff. I thought it was pretty informative. So, like,

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Speaker 1: what was the first thing that made you even like

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Speaker 5: So it's funny.

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Speaker 3: When I grew up, my mother sold, my grandmother sold.

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Speaker 3: I wanted nothing to do with it. I spent my

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Speaker 3: days being poked by pins and you know.

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Speaker 5: Earth, would you, you know, come stand still?

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Speaker 3: Well, honestly, I would stand still if I wasn't being poked.

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Speaker 5: This is a human response. But there was a.

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Speaker 3: Lot of that and I didn't want anything to do

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Speaker 3: And then I started graduate school and I needed some

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Speaker 3: type of stress relief because typically graduate school is very solid,

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Speaker 3: it's very solitary, and so I wanted something that I

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Speaker 3: a nice feeling of end success. So it's like, okay,

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Speaker 3: I will start with this whole, this piece of fabric

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Speaker 5: Know, a jacket.

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Speaker 3: And that's what really became a real hobby for me,

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Speaker 3: and I absolutely loved it. So I kind of fell

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Speaker 3: in love with it. My mother is more amazed than anybody.

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Speaker 1: It's just like you.

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Speaker 3: You sewing something as much as all that complaining and

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Speaker 5: But I did end up falling in love with it.

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Speaker 3: And then now I do a lot of sewing and

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Speaker 3: a lot of advocacy around sewing, and I have theories

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Speaker 3: around sewing as connected to liberation and creative expression, and

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Speaker 3: so it's not just the sewing, but it's also sewing

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Speaker 3: as a life skill, sewing as a hobby, and sewing

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think sewing is something that people have gotten

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Speaker 4: Cheaper now by the time I'll joke sign like by

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Speaker 4: And so I've never gotten to clothes or anything like that,

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Speaker 2: It is a free for all.

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Speaker 4: If you can imagine it, you can literally make it happen.

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Speaker 4: And that's something for adults. Our imagination is crushed from

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Speaker 2: Of creativity within themselves.

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Speaker 4: But the world tells you don't waste your time in that,

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Speaker 4: for a hobby. It's not always about making the making

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Speaker 2: Like you say, it is very relaxing. I remember when

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Speaker 4: My sewing machine, I would hand so so I would

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Speaker 2: For those of you that I'm sorry, I know I'm

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Speaker 4: With technology, it's like it's like a brand new world.

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Speaker 4: They got sewing machines that are like the Lamborghini of

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Speaker 4: sewing machines. Them bitches called thousands of dollars. They they

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Speaker 4: can go to your computer, you can download damage, you

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Speaker 2: And I for my for my mama, I made some

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Speaker 4: Photocopy to fabric. And I've made her pillow that has

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Speaker 4: military pictures, their high school graduation pictures. And I made

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Speaker 4: She she's like, this is one of her favorite things.

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Speaker 4: creativity piece of it. I think sometimes when it's sold,

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Speaker 2: I'm just taking my perspective. A lot of times when it's

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Speaker 4: And so for a lot of black people, they have

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Speaker 4: a tendency to think that this is something my grandma,

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Speaker 4: kind of black people get into. But you will be

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Speaker 4: like it yeah, and love it, you know, and particularly

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Speaker 4: if you are somebody where you're tired of shopping and

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Speaker 4: it don't fit right, it ain't long enough, it ain't

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Speaker 5: You know, it can't fry.

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Speaker 4: Right, or it can't fetch your breast, you know, or

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Speaker 2: You got a big butt. So when you put something.

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Speaker 4: On, the skirt jacks up three inches and you're like, okay,

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Speaker 2: I mean I'm jacked up in the back and I'm

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Speaker 4: Like you don't get an even circle around the bottom

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Speaker 4: little things like that, and particularly allok aside, once you

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Speaker 4: get over a certain size, dact like all you want

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Speaker 4: to wear is some goddamn flowers or your grandma quilket.

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Speaker 5: Like big people want to be prenny too. Yeah, y'all

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Speaker 5: want to be printed too.

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Speaker 2: Y'all want to want to pinks and the greens and

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Speaker 1: Y'all want to want that that stuff too.

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Speaker 4: And it's very frustrating when you go in there and

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Speaker 2: If you over a size twelve and you like it,

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Speaker 5: I want to be sex and two, I.

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Speaker 3: Mean like, and the thing that I love about what

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Speaker 3: that sowing is a key to liberation. And and by

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Speaker 3: that I mean when you are making things that fit

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Speaker 3: it's the same thing with BMI. You know, that same

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Speaker 3: the reasons that I created Black Women's Stitch was in

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Speaker 3: And so I have this the backstories about my work

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Speaker 3: Right at the end of the day, after this terrible,

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Speaker 3: terrible thing happens in Charlottesville. And for those of YOUO

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Speaker 3: don't know about the white supremacist terror attacks in twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 5: It was white supremacist in the streets. It was brawls, and.

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Speaker 3: It was a fucking nightmare. And what surprised me, well,

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Speaker 3: it didn't really surprise me. I was stunned, right of course, traumatized.

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Speaker 3: I would like a break. I'm gonna go to this

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Speaker 3: little quilt retreat outside of town. It's the same one

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Speaker 3: I've always I'm always the only black person. Yes, even

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Speaker 3: though I'm not young. I think I'm older than both

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Speaker 1: Well you look great, Okay, don't let nobody tell you different. Okay,

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Speaker 1: younger than us, my daughter, I knew, best friends.

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Speaker 5: I know fo skin, I got, I gotta, I gotta

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Speaker 3: Please be sure to leave your phone number and expressed.

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Speaker 3: I also like to send text messages word by word.

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Speaker 5: Like you believe as well.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to wory about me harassing you on

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Speaker 5: And everything up at that school. I gott to racist.

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Speaker 1: Yes, oh I love that.

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Speaker 3: That is what happened, and that's what happened to me,

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Speaker 5: Sometimes like some cracker will find me and.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, and I don't answer those either. Actually, I'm like,

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Speaker 3: Not at all, not at all, And Like one of

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Speaker 5: It is because.

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Speaker 3: So like this is this is not a metaphor, this

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Speaker 3: And so I get letters, you know, around things like

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Speaker 4: You that what you've been taught is wrong, what you've

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the thing that's interesting because someone said

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Speaker 3: And what I find so powerful about what you said

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Speaker 3: important is you know, don't don't attack, educate. Don't attack educate.

441
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,400
Speaker 3: And I said, tell me more about that. And it says, well,

442
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,480
Speaker 3: if something if someone says something harmful, or if someone

443
00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 3: says something that hurts your feelings or some said something

444
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 3: that's racist or sexist and homophobic, you should correct you

445
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 3: should you should educate them. You should educate them because

446
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 3: they don't know, and rather than being upset and attacking them.

447
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 3: And I said, that's a terrible idea. I don't know

448
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 3: who told you. That's a young young person, that's.

449
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 5: A bad idea.

450
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,200
Speaker 3: And I said, you know what, because I am from

451
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 3: the say shit, get hit school of diplombas. And what

452
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 3: happens when somebody is trained to educate and not attack

453
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 3: is that you get conditioned to accept your marginalization.

454
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,680
Speaker 5: You get condition you get conditioned.

455
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 3: To say, oh, they don't know, so you're supposed to

456
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,640
Speaker 3: what spend your entire life going around like teaching people

457
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 3: how not to be shitty to you one by one?

458
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 2: Are you kidding?

459
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 1: And we have much more access to education than ever before,

460
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,880
Speaker 1: and information there is cool literally And then the other

461
00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,400
Speaker 1: thing that's interesting is like there's spaces for that, right,

462
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: Like there are places in outreach and education that is happening.

463
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 1: There's like you might be able to be in a

464
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 1: classroom to ask a question that you shouldn't ask a

465
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: random black person on the fucking street, Like it's like

466
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,760
Speaker 1: we've all that's always been a thing that's not like

467
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 1: new or anything, but to constantly make like us the educators.

468
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,960
Speaker 1: It reminds me of something that's happening in pop culture

469
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: right now, which is, you know, Kanye Wes mom died

470
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,879
Speaker 1: years ago, Kanye West spars our control, Kanye West gets

471
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: married to Kim Kardashian and all this stuff, right, And

472
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 1: I remember people saying for years, I always thought it

473
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 1: was kind of stupid, but it was like, you know

474
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: what that brother needs, You just need a good black

475
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,040
Speaker 1: woman to help him. And I was like, why would

476
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 1: you put that work on some random black lady? But

477
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 1: you know what, he did find it right, right, and

478
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 1: he did find him a black woman, and it's Candice Owens,

479
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 1: who is currently you know, like pulling his puppet strings.

480
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: And it's like, maybe, so when we say this, like

481
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: you should don't hate to educate or whatever, we're who

482
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 1: who's the person we'd actually don't know. I don't feel

483
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: comfortable with just everybody educating other people all the time

484
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 1: because maybe you put your hand through you rub your

485
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: hand through Canda his own's hair, and she's like, you

486
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: know what white lives matter? If you ask me, and

487
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 1: I don't want her speaking from me. So go to

488
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: a class, pick up a book, do something else.

489
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 5: Books are great. It's also amazing. Podcasts out there amazing.

490
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 3: They talk about like black issues from a variety of perspectives.

491
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 3: They even have games like.

492
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 1: I mean, don't go to us, but yeah, I hear you,

493
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: I hear you. I feel like we're a little irresponsible.

494
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 1: But back to the back to the stitching though. I

495
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: think another thing, and this happens with like gardening as

496
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: well and a lot of other stuff, is things that

497
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: used to be labor for black people. I think without

498
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 1: really like subconsciously, we run from them sometimes where it's

499
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: like outside, why would I ever not? They gonna keep me,

500
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

501
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,160
Speaker 4: And I think, honey, you're talking about me, because honey, I.

502
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: Well, well hold up, you were just talking about stitching

503
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 1: and so, and that is labor that used to be

504
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: done a lot of times by black people, like black

505
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: women specifically to be like do this work for us?

506
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 1: And so there's something about reclaiming that for yourself, like nah,

507
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: I like, I garden for me and I won't. I'm

508
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: gonna eat these tomatoes I sow for me. I'm gonna

509
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: wear these clothes. I think there's something to it.

510
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 4: It is almost like a luxury, and it's one of

511
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 4: those things to piggyback on some of the things we're

512
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:35,480
Speaker 4: talking about before. My personal opinion is that I think

513
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 4: a lot of Negroes have got relaxed and they have

514
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 4: actually let their guards down as far as fighting white supremacy.

515
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 2: They think that we have arrived.

516
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 4: They think it ain't gonna get no better than this,

517
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 4: And that's why a lot of them are like, I

518
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 4: don't care about voting, I'm just keeping it real, or

519
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 4: like they have a certain attitude because they actually didn't

520
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 4: have to go through the struggle, because your ancestors died

521
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 4: for you to have these look because their luxuries and

522
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 4: every generation wants the next generation to be better, and

523
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 4: that's nothing wrong with that.

524
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 2: But now we're at a place.

525
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 4: Where a lot of people have a lot of luxuries

526
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 4: that they assume will always be there. They never think

527
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 4: that there is a sub section of the populace that

528
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 4: has always been fighting and will be relentless and will

529
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 4: be dogmatic to take us back. And they're always shocked

530
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 4: and they always surprised, and they always take it for

531
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 4: a loop. And they always act like, oh my gosh,

532
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 4: I can't believe this, And then sometimes they be as

533
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 4: surprised as the white folks. This ain't my America. They

534
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 4: say shit like that, and and and they do.

535
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 5: They live.

536
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 4: Because they that the things that they have that somebody

537
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 4: else died for them to have. And we have lows

538
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 4: in place that somebody died to put in place so

539
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,959
Speaker 4: that people couldn't come and make yo shit. Somebody is

540
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 4: trying to erode that so that all these things that

541
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 4: I'm saying we're doing for luxury, they're trying to put

542
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 4: it back where they're gonna.

543
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:11,880
Speaker 2: Have to be necessity again.

544
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 4: All of a sudden, We're gonna have to farm. We're

545
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 4: gonna have to make her own clothes. Why because we

546
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 4: aren't gonna be in the working, working, working environment like

547
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 4: they're passing, particularly with the affirmative action. People don't know

548
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 4: how much that's gonna affect us more than any.

549
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 2: Other any group.

550
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 4: They're gonna they're like, we but like this, if we

551
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 4: do some foul shit, y'all can't sue us.

552
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 2: And we can't do this, We can't do that.

553
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 4: And it might sound silly, but I've been saying this

554
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 4: for years. I am thankful that I am able to

555
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 4: do the things that I can do.

556
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: Something is simple and people and people.

557
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 4: I think for a lot of people, like they have said,

558
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 4: I've washed enough eyes on the prize.

559
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: I heard about Martin.

560
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 4: Luther King like like like like, and I think a

561
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 4: lot of black mind paying a lot of Black people

562
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 4: that got there.

563
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 2: But what they fail to realize, for you to go through.

564
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 4: The front of the bus, somebody has somebody had to

565
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 4: sacrifice for that. For you to walk into the front

566
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 4: of the restaurant, somebody had to sacrifice for that, you know,

567
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 4: for just the small simple things, for you to have

568
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 4: the right to own a home and all these other things.

569
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 4: And I think for a lot of black people that

570
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 4: have got relaxed, and they think that the black people

571
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 4: my age or to the activists, they think.

572
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 2: We're like, no, get on these white folks.

573
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 4: Next they trying to take youall shit, Dad, Like, we're

574
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 4: crazy when we're going you're taking this for granted, You're

575
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 4: gonna turn around and all these rights that you thought

576
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 4: was always going.

577
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,640
Speaker 5: To be there. Absolutely, they started with abortion.

578
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: Do you think they're gonna stop there?

579
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 2: No?

580
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 5: No, no, it's not.

581
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 3: And I think you are absolutely right about the all

582
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 3: of it that this, and I think that the apathy

583
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 3: might come from other places. I think it also reflects

584
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 3: a general apathy in the larger country as well, that

585
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 3: people don't believe that voting works. They feel like, you know,

586
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 3: these big machines are the one that kind of make

587
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 3: it happen, and so who cares when for us it

588
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 3: does become like that the things that are being somehow

589
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 3: voted on seem to managed to be our rights, you know.

590
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 3: And these are the things that are like that people

591
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 3: seem to somehow not notice or not want to complain about.

592
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 5: But you know, I mean, I think it is.

593
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 3: It is so frustrated and it can sometimes feel overwhelming.

594
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 3: But one of the things that I appreciate. And I'm

595
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 3: not an anarchist. I like anarchy. I like anarchists, the

596
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 3: theory the world. I'm too much of a capitalist too.

597
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 3: I'm not a capitalist. I hate capitalism, but I live

598
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 3: within a capitalist society where capitalism has benefited myself and my.

599
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 5: Family, and I work in a world where I receive

600
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,479
Speaker 5: money from good blah blah blah. So that makes me,

601
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 5: I think a bad anarchist.

602
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 3: But what I love about anarchy is this idea that

603
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 3: things are flattened and level. I think that we have

604
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 3: fallen into this idea that anarchy equals chaos.

605
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 5: That is not the same.

606
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 3: Anarchy is an actual system of government that is completely lateral.

607
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 3: There's no hierarchy at all. And so what it means

608
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 3: is that it's about community. It's about we keep us safe.

609
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 3: We can work together to help each other. And I actually,

610
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 3: through the course of some of my organizing, I know

611
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 3: people who now have a farm, who are who do

612
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 3: foraging for food, who came to my class to teach

613
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 3: my students how to do that, you know, and so like,

614
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 3: there are ways we can pass these skills on. And

615
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 3: I think if we work both from both ends of

616
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 3: the problem, like the things that's closest to us, to

617
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 3: make sure that the people in your neighborhood, your community,

618
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 3: your sphere of influence, the people that are in your family,

619
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 3: your family's extended you know that. I feel like everybody

620
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 3: doing their part can really make a difference overall. It's

621
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 3: just that it's hard to encourage people to feel like

622
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:46,959
Speaker 3: that's worth it.

623
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: I think it's just in America, the stumbling block is

624
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: always going to end up being race just historically, Like

625
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: it's like if you could convince white people they're not

626
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: separate and above all, this ship would be fixed in

627
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: like a week because it's like so like so much

628
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: shit is just so much shit is just like well,

629
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: at least on white and then like you know, when

630
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: we think of like I think in one of the

631
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: things that's interesting about America's governmental history, a lot of

632
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: the programs and things, the building blocks that made America America,

633
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: the things that make it great to people are all

634
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: shit that black people and women fought for. It's not

635
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: it's nothing, it's not the exception. It's like they white

636
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: people go back to the founding fathers. They didn't set

637
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: none of this ship up. All that shit was like

638
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna be slave owners with bigger words and then

639
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 1: exactly for the but it's always like people that fought

640
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: for people's rights to vote, people that fight for people's

641
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: people that have fought for representation within the governmental structures,

642
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: people that got fought for affirmative action, people that fought

643
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: for free education.

644
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 4: People fail to realize free education wasn't always there.

645
00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 2: Education free and reduced, Like.

646
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 3: How about the weekend, Yes, the weekend listen, y'all for real, Friday, Saturday, Sunday,

647
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 3: Saturday and Sunday.

648
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 5: There used to be not such a thing as a weekend. Yes,

649
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 5: and people every single day. And you go back and.

650
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: Look at you go back and look at who was

651
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: fighting against it, and it's people that didn't have a

652
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: weekend fighting against people on the weekend. Because that's how

653
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: fucked up America is, so like it would take like

654
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: a huge herculean effort. And I think that's one of

655
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: the reasons they don't want people being educated about race

656
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: and stuff, because then you start to see the cracks

657
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: in the fall. You start to see, you know, how

658
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: much of this stuff is like arbitrary, you know, like

659
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:45,479
Speaker 1: uh uh oh, these these indentured servants ran away. Uh

660
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: the black ones are slave for life, the other two

661
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: y'all gonna get extra ten years of indigenous service to

662
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: stuff like that. That that is literally in our history

663
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: books where you can go back and be like, wait,

664
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: so y'all kind of invented that this race thing right there,

665
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: like suddenly black people didn't have rights. And I think

666
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: the less people know about that, the easier it is

667
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: to just go I'm white and these black people they

668
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 1: want too much, you know they I'm rooting for Tommy

669
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: Tuberville because he's saying that racism, I mean, the real

670
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: racism is Democrats want to give money to black people

671
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: who are criminals. And you're like, there's so many threads

672
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: back to history for those lies to get to you.

673
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: We would need to start undoing that in like grade school.

674
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: And they obviously see the game as afoot right there.

675
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: They don't want us to do that, and.

676
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 3: I agree and like, and this is one of the

677
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 3: things that it's and also the idea of the way

678
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 3: that they're starting in Virginia as well, starting to legislate

679
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 3: white comfort. Yes, that is legislated that white people in

680
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 3: particular not being made to be uncomfortable. So when you

681
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 3: look at some of these laws and these proposals, because

682
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 3: a lot of them look very much the same because

683
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 3: they come from this one think tank or instead of

684
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 3: think tanks, and they say things like no students should

685
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 3: make to feel uneasy or guilty or bad or things

686
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 3: that a race has done that they might be a

687
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 3: part of. And it's just the most convoluted language that

688
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 3: makes no sense. And and then and this idea that

689
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:20,240
Speaker 3: somehow the priority of education has now become making sure

690
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 3: that white kids feel safe in school, not from guns,

691
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 3: not from dun ideas, but from ideas that they we

692
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 3: that America's history could be rooted.

693
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 5: In violence, or the idea that this is why.

694
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 3: Some folks get I know, some folks are like, what's

695
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 3: the difference between calling somebody.

696
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 5: A slave versus enslave?

697
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 3: The thing about calling someone enslaves versus calling them a slave.

698
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 5: We've got slaves from Africa. No, you've got Africans from Africa,

699
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 5: and then you enslaved them and turn them into slave.

700
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 3: But all of that little shortcut naturalizes everything and makes

701
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,720
Speaker 3: this is just a natural thing that happened.

702
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: We had a dude that lost his job here and uh,

703
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: he was like, uh, one of the people that did

704
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: the tours for like this plantation and stuff, and his

705
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: job was to educate people about slavery and whatnot. And

706
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,320
Speaker 1: he overstepped his bounds a little bit because he didn't

707
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: explain it to the community. But one of the things

708
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: he was gonna do. I'm sorry, it's funny to me

709
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: because it's the kind of stuff I love, but it's

710
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: obviously I get why it was bad. But he was

711
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: going to have for June teenth. It was gonna be

712
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: a white former master on the run from slaves that

713
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: were now coming after him because for some reason or whatever, right,

714
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 1: and it was supposed to be like this, stay with

715
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 1: his gud. But one of the things people cook an issue.

716
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: One of the things people took an issue with was

717
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: the fact that he used and I think it's because

718
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: everyone was so mad, and so they were mad at

719
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,399
Speaker 1: the original I did then, and they got mad at

720
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: everything he was doing. Right, But one of the things

721
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: he did that I was like, but that kind of

722
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: makes sense is exactly what you said, which is and

723
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: he said enslaved person, and they were like, no, they

724
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: were slaves. He's trying to erase slavery. I was like, no, no, okay,

725
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: I see what y'all said. He should have explained, and

726
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: that's on him because community relations with the black people

727
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 1: in the community is above and above everything, Like even

728
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: if even if the idea is based at some level

729
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: of history or whatever, if the if the community don't

730
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: know who who the fuck is bringing their kids to

731
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: see this, it's gonna be us black people, So you

732
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: gotta connect to us. And he got like offended, and

733
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: black people got mad, he got fired, but I still.

734
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 3: Remember this was this a black person's idea. Yeah, it's

735
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 3: a black black person at the museum.

736
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, he just didn't have the engagement he didn't make. Yeah.

737
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: I really think it was an engagement thing I read

738
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: into it. I don't think he meant bad. I don't

739
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: think he suddenly just like turned into a cone. Like

740
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: one day he just woke up. It was like, I'm

741
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: gonna lose my job, but you know, you got to

742
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: communicate with the community. It's just unfortunate. But it was

743
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: when he was questioned about it, he got very indignant

744
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: with people. And then now it's like you gotta go

745
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: at that point, you know.

746
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 3: And the question for me is it's about the revenge

747
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 3: fantasy that I think is a really interesting of really

748
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 3: interesting appress. This is something answer that Thomas Jefferson.

749
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 5: Did talk about.

750
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 3: Thomas Jefferson in his Racist as books. You know, it's

751
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 3: on the State of Virginia, talked about like this fear

752
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 3: of He says this thing that I think people forget,

753
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 3: but they want to give Jefferson credit for everything, being

754
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: an abolitionist lie who happened to own six hundred and

755
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:46,839
Speaker 3: five black people true, and so when he says he says,

756
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 3: I tremble for my country when I remember that God

757
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 3: is just and that his justice cannot sleep forever. For

758
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 3: there is no aspects of the Mighty who can side

759
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 3: with white people in this conflict. So he's recognizing that

760
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 3: there could be. He's like, and this is one of

761
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 3: the reasons why he says, well, when black people are free,

762
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 3: they need to be relocated to Africa because there'll be

763
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 3: too many bad memories for blacks and whites to live together.

764
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 3: And then he lists all these horrible, racist ass reasons

765
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 3: for kicking black people out. But it has this idea

766
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 3: that somehow, deep down those folks who enslaved other people

767
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 3: knew what they were doing was wrong. And as Frederick

768
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 3: Douglass said, there is no man who does not know

769
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 3: that slavery is wrong for him, right, And so this

770
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 3: whole idea of like, oh, well, definitely it's going to

771
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 3: be a lot of revenge and this and that when

772
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 3: that's that's no, there's no like.

773
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 5: Juke Teenth is not a revenge story.

774
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 3: So it's a story about being scammed out of a

775
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 3: lot of your labor because white people are scammers.

776
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: Lincoln had come to the same conclusion too. It was like,

777
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: and then we send them back to Africa, right, like

778
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: everybody's everybody's freedom things. Was like, all right, so we

779
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: f I get slavery over and then they can't stay

780
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 1: here though, that's crazy.

781
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're talking about generations that were born and raised

782
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 4: here know nothing about this. This is like we've lost

783
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 4: our native tongues and everything about us.

784
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 2: All we know is our history ends that boat.

785
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 4: And so you're gonna be like, go back where you

786
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 4: came from to a strange place, a strange country.

787
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 2: That I know absolutely possible.

788
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to find me as an African American

789
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 4: I know nothing about. You're going to send me there

790
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 4: and that like it's going to be all good.

791
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 3: So just somebody said, somebody said was like, oh go

792
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 3: back to Africa.

793
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 5: It's like, but you is my ride.

794
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never been there, by the way, like I

795
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 1: can't go back.

796
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 5: I always can't go back to the place I haven't been.

797
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 5: I used to that.

798
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: You always make this joke of like because like there's

799
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,120
Speaker 1: a certain type of like hotel black person that's it

800
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: was like, we just we need to just go back

801
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 1: to Africa. And I always made this joke of like,

802
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: I would love to see a skit of us arriving

803
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: in Africa and African people being like what what, what

804
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: the fuck is this? Like they wouldn't just be like, oh,

805
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: here's your house over here, like that's the whole land

806
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: with economy people ownership. That's not just a concept exactly

807
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: like I'll take this house, Like that's not how this

808
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: works at all. And the June team, Dude, what he

809
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: did and this is where he fucked up, right, So

810
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: he wrote the promo as a like it was like

811
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: I can read it and see it's like a sarcastic take,

812
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 1: and it probably was gonna be very funny, which is

813
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: you can't. I don't know that we were ready for

814
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: fun funny around June tenth theater like it just got

815
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: it was just a ratified as a national holiday. And

816
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: so the first one out.

817
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 3: The gate were still we're still getting mad about white

818
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 3: folsts getting the day off.

819
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 5: Black people got.

820
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: To come up exactly he was, he was coming out

821
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: the he was coming out the box high, and his

822
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: thing was, uh, they were gonna have a former white

823
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 1: like owner like a master or something who had been

824
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: run out of his house by the uh, the not

825
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: the Confederate soldiers, the Unions. Yeah, the Union soldiers. And

826
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: then of course his slaves start cheering, and now he

827
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: ain't got no home and they don't fucked up his ship,

828
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: burned the ship. Need to kick them out, right, that

829
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: was his that was gonna be the conceit. And then

830
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: you get to watch this dude basically be sad about

831
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: the end of slavery. And of course I thought hilarious. Uh,

832
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: the community thought very inappropriate and probably both right, Like,

833
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: it's hilarious to me, but I also think a lot

834
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 1: of interpropriate things are hilarious.

835
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 3: But it's so funny because it goes against what the

836
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 3: actual declaration was in Galveston, because one of the things

837
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 3: that people don't know is that when it's like, yes,

838
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 3: finally and slave people are finally free in Texas, but

839
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 3: they were told specifically in that same order, you're free,

840
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 3: but don't stop working. You're free, but don't leave the

841
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 3: plantation you've always lived on.

842
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 5: You're free, but now they're supposed to pay you.

843
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: Like, and keeping keep in mind, June teenth is like

844
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 1: two years after, so we're not talking about like Civil

845
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: War where they like were like you know to come

846
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: to Sherman came through and stomp the buildings or it

847
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: was like we're taking y'all ship. Like no, this is

848
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: two years later people being like, hey, y'all free. Did

849
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: y'all get the memo?

850
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 3: No? And it's this small So this small band of soldiers,

851
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 3: it is a military operation. Military was involved because they

852
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 3: had to force people to do it. But it wasn't

853
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 3: like okay.

854
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it wasn't like my homie General Sherman coming through,

855
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: nor okay, lit'ten say grant cake. So we said listen,

856
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 1: we're not talking no more. Okay, we tried that anyway.

857
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: So but but I love I love this whole thing

858
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: where it's like black people intersecting with things that I

859
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: think in people's minds are considered like white taboo, off

860
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 1: limits whatever, you know, and it's without them thinking about it.

861
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: I was listening to your latest episode of Stitch Please,

862
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: and you were talking with this woman who was talking

863
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 1: about historical costume me versus like cosplay and stuff, and

864
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: in both spaces, it is so interesting the limits of

865
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: like white imagination to where in the historical context it's

866
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,479
Speaker 1: they let y'all dress like that. You know that thing

867
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: which is all which is interesting, like, you know there

868
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:50,479
Speaker 1: were black people around then, and yes, but let's say, yeah,

869
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: got like actually a lot of white women had to

870
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: sell their dresses if you want to get into it.

871
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 1: But what that's interesting. And then the other thing is

872
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: that's almost in a way more interesting is the limits

873
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: of their imaginations to see us in completely fictionalized spaces

874
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Speaker 1: such as mermaids such as the Black family on Game

875
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 1: of Thrones, where you're just like, how could you why

876
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: can't you even like why does that violate something in

877
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: your mind? The mere existence of something other than white

878
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: people in a space where there's you know, dragons and

879
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:24,959
Speaker 1: orcs and shit.

880
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 5: Exactly.

881
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 3: They can imagine that somebody can sing underwater, yes, right,

882
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 3: and that's totally fine to have a singing mermaid, right

883
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 3: whose lungs don't fill with water.

884
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 5: When then when she's singing, like all that is happening.

885
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 5: But then they'll say something like, well a black mermaid

886
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 5: just as a scientific guys.

887
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's crazy.

888
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 3: It's just appalling, like and that's the and it's the

889
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 3: same question, like you said, around the limit, the limited

890
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 3: imagination and the idea that for some people they just

891
00:44:59,200 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 3: want to find the.

892
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 5: Racism and keep it everywhere. That very much part of their.

893
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 3: Way of doing things is to always see themselves reflected,

894
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 3: and if they're not the prominent image reflecting back at themselves,

895
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 3: then something is wrong. So you know, you remember the

896
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 3: days when we used to you could go down the

897
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 3: cereal Island. You would never see a white a black face.

898
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 3: It was always white people, white kids on all the

899
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 3: cereal boxes, white kids and animals. And then when they

900
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 3: start putting maybe black kids on or one or two

901
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 3: black kids, people get upset.

902
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 5: White people.

903
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 3: And I'm saying people because even here I am slipping

904
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,439
Speaker 3: from this idea that people means everybody, which also means

905
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 3: white people.

906
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 5: But it's really white people who are the ones upset.

907
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 3: People are upset, Yes exactly are the people?

908
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 5: Are the people?

909
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: Because one of the things I realized when I was

910
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: younger reading and being into science fiction, especially science fiction

911
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: involving like aliens or mind and stuff, so much of

912
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: it is really just white people imagining being us, Like,

913
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: it's just it's just them going like, but what if

914
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 1: another if another world came here, they would immediately colonize

915
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,400
Speaker 1: and enslave us all. And I think in their minds

916
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 1: they're going and race wouldn't matter anymore because our divisions

917
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: would suddenly go away in the face this bigger fear.

918
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: And it's like, that's not how that works. Yeah, but

919
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 1: like whether it works or not, right, it's all fiction,

920
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: right that the aliens come here and we have to

921
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 1: you know, it's a fucking independence day. Like I didn't

922
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: care that Will Smith was black. I was like, we

923
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: gotta fight the aliens, right, let's go. But there's like

924
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: a romanticizing of that idea of like, if there was

925
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: a bigger threat, we'd all come together. In some ways,

926
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 1: we've seen it work in history, right, Like the Coalition

927
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: of Blackness felt more together when we had to share

928
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: a plight. As people become less press pressed individually, some

929
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: motherfuckers start being like, you know what, now think about it.

930
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: White lives matter, and you're like, when we could, when

931
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: none of us could leave the plantation, you aren't feeling

932
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: like that, but okay, But I think so much of

933
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: it is a recreat recreation of what has actually happened

934
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: to us. You don't need to look outside. But it

935
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,280
Speaker 1: is like, what if Orcs were the white people of fantasy?

936
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: What if?

937
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 5: Uh?

938
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 1: What if aliens were the white people of the galaxy.

939
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: What is all this stuff, sot star wars, all this

940
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: stuff is just fascism of white people. That shit that

941
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: did happen? And then but what if it happened to us,

942
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't we be the heroes? But they refuse to see

943
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 1: us as heroes because they don't even want to see

944
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: us in the fucking fiction.

945
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Speaker 4: Right, And so you know what that tells me, You

946
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 4: understand oppression. So this thing where it comes about teaching

947
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 4: and no, no, no, no, no, no, you understand they understand.

948
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: They don't want it to happen to them, right, Like

949
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: they like they might not notice specifics, they ain't gonna

950
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: do the reading, they don't they like it's one of

951
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: one of the reasons that's very important to keep people

952
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: from knowing shit that's happened already. But but it's like

953
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 1: they understand it's bad and they would not want it

954
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: to be them. And in any instance that we fictionalize it,

955
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: that's the good guy, right, it's the handmaid and tell

956
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 1: it's the Handmaidens that we're rooting for. We're not rooting

957
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: for fus. So, like they do know right from wrong,

958
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: which is one of the reasons that one of the

959
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: reasons that it's almost like it's not that you don't

960
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: need to know, yes you do, but it's it's almost

961
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: an excuse to be like, well, I just didn't know

962
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: you knew you wouldn't want to happen to you, right exactly.

963
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 5: And you know what's even more, I think an additional

964
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 5: level something that I find powerful about the racial allegory,

965
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 5: and that's something I think about a lot. We talk

966
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 5: about it in my class.

967
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 3: We look at the movie I Get to Spoil their childhoods,

968
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 3: We look at the movie z Utopia, and we look

969
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 3: at Disney's through the through the lens of like what

970
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:01,439
Speaker 3: what Zutopia says it's doing about like deconstructing race, et cetera,

971
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 3: et cetera. It's actually reproducing by turning the predators into

972
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 3: these things that are prey based on biology.

973
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Speaker 5: So it valorizes law enforcement.

974
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 3: It just does a lot of things that are problematic

975
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 3: people might not realize. But what I find exciting about

976
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 3: looking at Zootopia, looking at unles y'all saw Carnival Row

977
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 3: on Amazon Prime. It's good, it's good looking, it's very steampunky,

978
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 3: but it is the exact allegory of a mix of

979
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 3: like mixed race desire plus a little bit of Nazi Germany,

980
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 3: and like the difference between the Faye versus the human

981
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 3: and the slurs that the Faye get called, and all

982
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 3: of that critch for a short word for creature, which

983
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 3: it has a very racist slur feeling.

984
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 5: All of that shows exactly what you said.

985
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 3: They know, they know, they know, and they're making so

986
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 3: much money on telling stories show.

987
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 5: That they know.

988
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 3: This is a lucrative processrative process that says, oh, yes,

989
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 3: racism is bad, well not racism.

990
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 5: That happens to bear and stuff. And I always find it.

991
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,880
Speaker 1: I always find it interesting when like people are fans

992
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: of that stuff, but the messaging is beyond them. You know.

993
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: It's like when it's like, uh, it's happening now in

994
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: the live action universe. But in the comic books, they

995
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 1: had Sam Wilson, the Become Captain America, the Black Captain America,

996
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: and god, I forget my man's name, the white dude

997
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: Nick Spencer, Nick Spencer to god, I fuck with him.

998
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: But Nick Spencer wrote the fuck out of that book

999
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: because I know everybody was thinking it's a comic book,

1000
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: and yeah, switching but let's just kind of not talk

1001
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 1: about the racial aspect that just and the whole book

1002
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,919
Speaker 1: was about race. It was just like a black man

1003
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: representing America would have very complicated feelings as would America,

1004
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: but not white people. They would have very uncomplicated feelings

1005
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 1: of racism. And it just it just was like that's

1006
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 1: what it's gonna be, you know, Like and I love

1007
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 1: that book because it didn't run from it, but it's

1008
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: just an example of like people watched that and there

1009
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: were people that were like, for the first time reading

1010
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: Captain America. Okay, so listen before Captain America is this

1011
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: black man? He was Steve Rodgers. God Frozen. The ice

1012
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: pops back up years later and it's like, what the

1013
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: fuck is going on with the country. But it's immediately

1014
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: on the side of like everything we love about the

1015
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 1: fiction we tell ourselves about America. You fight for the underdog,

1016
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: you look out for each other, it's about treating people fairly.

1017
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: So this dude pops up from like the forties and

1018
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: was like this is this is fucked up? Why are

1019
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: we doing all these stuff? And that's why he's a hero.

1020
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: There were people that read that book and were like,

1021
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: why are they putting race in it? I was like, bro,

1022
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: it's been in there the old time, like like Steve

1023
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: would be on this man's side. That is you know

1024
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: when you when you But you see this routinely, it's like, oh,

1025
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: I love Star Wars, but what's going on on this diversity?

1026
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,280
Speaker 1: The good guys are gonna be diverse. That's what the book,

1027
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: that's what it should be. That's how you exactly. So

1028
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: I like to see that kind of stuff. But it's

1029
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: always interesting because like the imagination I made a joke

1030
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: about House of the Dragon, about about Corliss drinking wine

1031
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: about around white people and be like, nah, I'm good.

1032
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: It was an obvious joke. Yeah it's obvious. Yeah, thank you,

1033
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: it's obvious joke, obvious, like just a funny moment. But

1034
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: obviously us as black people can relate to it like

1035
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:50,359
Speaker 1: m and man. I. So the response was so big

1036
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 1: on Twitter, I had to mute the thing because it

1037
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: was just so many people. It wasn't even like bad,

1038
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: it was just so so many people respond I was

1039
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: just like, I can't see all these crazy and but

1040
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: then people start taking screenshots and they would posted other

1041
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: forms of the places right, and people would tag me

1042
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 1: that knew me. They're like, oh, Rod, look at your tweet,

1043
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: And so I made the mistake a clicking on a

1044
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: couple of those places.

1045
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 2: White people were.

1046
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: In sense like how dare this black person in Jack

1047
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: race into this this this show that is not about race.

1048
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,760
Speaker 1: This character doesn't he isn't he even supposed to be black.

1049
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 1: They don't even say what this.

1050
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 2: Race is.

1051
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 1: For those looking later for the professors has covered up

1052
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: Rose Green. But yeah, it was very like what like

1053
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: I had I don't know, broken some type of sacred

1054
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: unspoken rule or something that is so it's so weird.

1055
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean didn't. I'm so sorry.

1056
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:55,240
Speaker 3: I just feel like it's so frustrating because I feel

1057
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 3: like you can lie to yourself, but you can't lie

1058
00:53:58,239 --> 00:53:58,440
Speaker 3: to me.

1059
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's I don't allow.

1060
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 3: It, like because that's what's happening here, because this idea is.

1061
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 5: Somehow you are in.

1062
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 3: It's so frustrating that they don't they only see race

1063
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 3: when it's black people. They don't see themselves as having

1064
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 3: a race. You know, they don't see that it's only.

1065
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 5: Us the danger. That's the danger.

1066
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 3: It is also all but you have done that your podcast,

1067
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 3: that what you both have done like with them thrones

1068
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 3: and all the work, and then like, I love your

1069
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 3: podcast and I'm so glad that I found that and

1070
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 3: that y'all are doing the recaps for House of Dragon,

1071
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 3: and it makes me wish that I had done a

1072
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 3: better job following along when the show was live.

1073
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 5: I was teaching the class at that time. And the

1074
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,439
Speaker 5: thing I love about.

1075
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Speaker 3: It is the way you all create a space of

1076
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:51,760
Speaker 3: pure black joy.

1077
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 5: I wrote this in a five star.

1078
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 3: Review, but I ended the five star review with Rod

1079
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 3: and Karen are hot. And then I think that maybe

1080
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 3: they didn't like publish it. They thought it was harassing you.

1081
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: I could go back and rewrite it, they got, I

1082
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: can go.

1083
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 5: I can go rewrite it.

1084
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 3: But the thing I love about it is that it's

1085
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 3: that like I mean, Karen, for real, when you said

1086
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 3: this funeral was so black, I thought an outside of

1087
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 3: family was going to show up.

1088
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 4: I scream, are y'all know what I'm talking about?

1089
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 5: The ones I found out.

1090
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 4: I had an uncle younger than me at my grandpa's funeral.

1091
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 3: Listen, I am from the South as well. With everybody,

1092
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 3: it's just this, it's everybody, but I know of what

1093
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 3: you speak, and so this is like the way that

1094
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 3: y'all made it black and you made it beautiful and

1095
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 3: you made it better, And I would think that this

1096
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 3: is a great benefit, like I would say before it

1097
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 3: in my students, like talking about Game of Thrones is

1098
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 3: a way for people to develop attachments in a variety

1099
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 3: of ways, like if you're interested in family, if you're

1100
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 3: interested in sword and sorcery, if you're interested in dragons,

1101
00:56:03,200 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 3: if you're interested in political entry.

1102
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 5: It has all of these things.

1103
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,479
Speaker 1: I'm always so surprised by the people I don't to think.

1104
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,479
Speaker 1: To me that's interesting is like I'm not gonna stop

1105
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: being me. But it's so many white people that just

1106
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: miss out on the fun like like like that was

1107
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: a good joke, just obstensively, like regardless of anything. It

1108
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 1: could be in any show and it's like, oh, that's

1109
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: funny all these It went viral because everyone was laughing,

1110
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: and it's just weird to limit yourself to like or rumph.

1111
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: I would never it's like, dude, that's like, you know,

1112
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: I'm glad they don't come over and listen, but it

1113
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,600
Speaker 1: was it's just funny to a Yeah, exactly, I don't

1114
00:56:42,600 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: want to listen. If we learned one thing from the

1115
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: first time we did these recaps. We gotta keep it

1116
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: positive and fun because like, once you bring in like

1117
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: the kind of like naysayer element, it gets overwhelming because

1118
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: everyone's watching it and I'm listen. I didn't write the

1119
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: damn show. I'm not. I don't like your book, right,

1120
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: I'm not here the foul complaints for them people, y'all

1121
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: need to write HBO dot com. But for me, I

1122
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 1: just came to laugh and have jokes with my wife

1123
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 1: and my friends. Please don't do that. How how'd you

1124
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: get into like teaching gamer thrones in your classroom?

1125
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 3: Like?

1126
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,439
Speaker 5: How how that throws? Now? Can I get my crown?

1127
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, put your crown off? Oh I like that?

1128
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 5: Oh snap?

1129
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 1: Now, oh y that has given me some. That's given

1130
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 1: me like some some like I have a dragon in

1131
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: the in the garage vibs?

1132
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 4: Are you you know you're about to set it a

1133
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 4: go unique and just spin around the circle?

1134
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: It is, y'all that horse crown mode.

1135
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 3: So I got into it from just being interested in

1136
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 3: the show. And one of the great things about being

1137
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 3: a professor, especially when you're tenured and you've been there

1138
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 3: for quite a while, it's you know, you can follow

1139
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 3: your interests. And so it was a summer session, and

1140
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 3: I have been teaching lots of different things in the

1141
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 3: summer because I am willfully underpaid, and so I taught

1142
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 3: this summer session and it was so successful.

1143
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 5: It was a lot of fun.

1144
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 3: The students really enjoyed the class so much so that

1145
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 3: I did it for like five years after that. And

1146
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 3: it was fun because George Martin, George R. R.

1147
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 5: Martin, someone from his office contacted me. Wow. Yeah, it

1148
00:58:31,080 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 5: was sent me some sign books and some like Lanister

1149
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 5: coins and wow things.

1150
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 3: It was very It was really great and I actually

1151
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 3: feel really wonderful to be like one of the first

1152
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 3: people to have a course in this and be a

1153
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:46,959
Speaker 3: black woman.

1154
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, because that just shows you that we do everything.

1155
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 5: We can do everything. It doesn't it don't matter.

1156
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 4: How obscure it is, you will find us there exactly

1157
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 4: exactly people that and this idea.

1158
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 3: I don't believe that anything is off limits to us.

1159
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 3: I think that those limits have been placed by structures

1160
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 3: anti black structures. But it's nothing that's like, oh, we

1161
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 3: are somehow unable or incapable of doing this. I don't

1162
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 3: think that's the case. And sometimes, like my students will

1163
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 3: say things like, oh, that's just acting white or that's

1164
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 3: white shit or whatever. And I always stop when I

1165
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,200
Speaker 3: hear that phrase, and I say, tell me more, what

1166
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 3: you say about when you meet When you say acting white?

1167
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 5: What does that mean? Because I'm like, have you met

1168
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 5: white people? Because what white? What are white people doing?

1169
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 5: If people want to act like them?

1170
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 3: Like, oh, you know something that simulation like, because I

1171
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 3: don't know what that might be, you know. And so

1172
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 3: I teach a class on fictions of Black identity and

1173
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 3: it talks about this, you know, elastic sense of blackness,

1174
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 3: that blackness is a capacious, beautiful universe.

1175
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 5: Blackness.

1176
00:59:57,600 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 3: If people think the blackness is a street or a neighbor,

1177
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 3: it is a universe and it is constantly, infinitely self

1178
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 3: reproducing itself, doing different things, growing and innovating people, like

1179
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 3: all manner of things that you might not imagine once

1180
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 3: you see.

1181
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: Once you see like a black person doing something wildly

1182
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 1: airtile black, like the Blacks for Trump or something, at

1183
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: that point you have to say there's nothing off limits,

1184
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: because if you can even do that, then you can

1185
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: do anything, because apparently motherfucker is out here doing anything.

1186
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 5: Okay, Apparently apparently apparently.

1187
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 3: Can I tell you what shocked me the other day?

1188
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 3: This is news y'all probably knew. I did not know

1189
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 3: that Clarence Thomas was Gula.

1190
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1191
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 3: I when I was because I think about the Goula

1192
01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 3: people as like the blackest of the black black people

1193
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 3: who are to retain more of their African lineage, people

1194
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 3: who were able to create this beautiful and powerful culture

1195
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,560
Speaker 3: of remembrance. Like it's just like you know, you think

1196
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 3: about books like Mama Day and the film like Daughters

1197
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 3: of the Dust and like all of this beautiful stuff

1198
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 3: that comes from the Gula community in South Carolina, and

1199
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 3: oh yeah, like.

1200
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 5: Galla Gla Island, like you said, Galla Gala Island, and

1201
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 5: that's that's all I was.

1202
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 1: Like, Well, the thing about Clarence, the thing about Clarence

1203
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: Thomas that always kind of struck me was his hatred

1204
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: for us is so palpable that it's intimate, you know

1205
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: what I mean, where you're like, I don't know how

1206
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,959
Speaker 1: or who hurt you, and you know us well enough

1207
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: to hurt us the hardest with the words that he says,

1208
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 1: Like there's an intimacy there that like I know he's

1209
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: in his childhood. They say he was picked on for now,

1210
01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: of course it's come from him, so let's just go

1211
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 1: with unreliable narrator. Okay, But he says he was picked

1212
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: on for being dark skinned, even though his grandfather had

1213
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: all this money and stuff. He was like, the kids

1214
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: picked on me, and they called me like the blackest

1215
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 1: such and such in this area, and that stuck with

1216
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: him forever because there's always some childhood shit that these

1217
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: motherfuckers get to take out on the rest of us

1218
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: for the rest of their life. Nobody goes to therapy

1219
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: or any or grows out of it anything, Like you

1220
01:02:27,080 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 1: the only motherfucker got picked on, bro. We all got

1221
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 1: picked on. But still, I mean that's like, but there's

1222
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: something there where I was like, cause, you know, before

1223
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: I even looked into him, I was just like, there's

1224
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 1: something about him where it don't feel like sometimes there's

1225
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: like black people where they hate us, but you're like, oh,

1226
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: they don't know us, Like, oh, you grew up not

1227
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 1: around black people, maybe the only black people you know

1228
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: your family. This motherfucker feel like he know us and

1229
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 1: he hates us. More like, like, why do you hate

1230
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 1: us so much? Bro? When we do.

1231
01:02:57,840 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 2: Somebody done something.

1232
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 3: And he said, right, and this idea too, that somehow

1233
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 3: that this is somehow a fucking village of villain origin story.

1234
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 3: I got Look at me, I'm dark. I got picked

1235
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 3: on everybody. Both of my sisters were lighter than me.

1236
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 3: I grew up in a black neighborhood. My parents went

1237
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 3: to segregated schools. We were a small, tight knit community

1238
01:03:20,440 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 3: where my last name, people knew, my father, my uncles,

1239
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 3: my people. Oh your mama's a Riley, Yeah girl, blah

1240
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 3: blah blah, Like that was what that was our community,

1241
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 3: very tight knit.

1242
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 5: Very beautiful.

1243
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 3: And Laquisa Lakita is saying that I have beautiful you

1244
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 3: think it is?

1245
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:38,919
Speaker 5: Thank you, that's very kind.

1246
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 3: Rihanna mix this really lovely moisturizing serum blood. Yes, fancy fancy,

1247
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 3: but like it took me forever to learn how to

1248
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 3: love my skin because having black black this you black

1249
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 3: is nice black. It is the inside of a pocket.

1250
01:03:57,200 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 3: I mean, like that's the thing you're gonna have to learn.

1251
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 3: Like that thing is you're gonna have to learn to

1252
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 3: love yourself. That right there has already a hurdle that

1253
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 3: a lot of people don't have, right, Like, there's a

1254
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 3: lot of people that this the world loves him from

1255
01:04:09,560 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 3: the time they born for whatever fucking reason. And then

1256
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 3: there's other people where it's like you're talking to him,

1257
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 3: like told me a while to learn to love myself.

1258
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 3: It is like yes, because the default in America is

1259
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 3: no love for you. So it is interesting to see

1260
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 3: like there's always somebody in blackness that just got it worse.

1261
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 1: Like Clarion Thomas talks to all this shit his sisters

1262
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 1: had it worse than him, Like it's like his sisters

1263
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 1: was down bad, and he hates his sisters and shit,

1264
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 1: it's crazy.

1265
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,320
Speaker 5: Really does and he could he has a position to

1266
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 5: help her and won't, like.

1267
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 1: Right, like wild boy. He's a wild boy.

1268
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 3: So sad, Yeah, really sad. And now we're stuck with

1269
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 3: him forever.

1270
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, well for a while. Nothing's forever. That motherfucker got

1271
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 1: the flu last month. I was like, is it true?

1272
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 1: I was like, release the balloons, hold on, it's just

1273
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 1: a flu. Everybody's just the flu.

1274
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 2: Calm down, too excited.

1275
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:10,640
Speaker 1: But the one thing that's interesting about Gamer Thrones is

1276
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,040
Speaker 1: it is something that I grew up as a kid

1277
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: reading some high fantasy stuff, not all of it, but

1278
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 1: just some stuff normally what my grandmama would buy me

1279
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: out of good will. And it is such an interesting

1280
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:28,960
Speaker 1: world because high fantasy is you know, dungeons and dragons

1281
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 1: for a lot of people, it's a lot of you know,

1282
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings type stuff. It's all that. And

1283
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 1: it definitely had a distinction when I was growing up

1284
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 1: where it was like, oh, that's what white people do

1285
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 1: for fun, and we like, that's not our thing. It

1286
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: took until I got to college where I met people

1287
01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:50,280
Speaker 1: other black people that were into that shit, partially because

1288
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 1: we also didn't have an Internet growing up. I think

1289
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: if I grew up with the Internet, then you just

1290
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: go find a Facebook group and now you know, oh,

1291
01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 1: black people do everything. At the time, it was black

1292
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: people do everything in your neighborhood. So like it's like,

1293
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: what are we into reading color books? We not, Okay,

1294
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: black people don't do that. You know, you don't know

1295
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: until later that people are into that. But one of

1296
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: the things that's funny is that people see fantasy as

1297
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: like escapism, and it is to a certain extent, but

1298
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:22,200
Speaker 1: I think now people are less interested in like necessarily

1299
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 1: escaping through fantasy and more interested in like bringing our

1300
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 1: social issues to the fantasy and seeing how it handles them. Like,

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01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:34,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen that difference in your

1302
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 1: time period being a fan of the stuff.

1303
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 3: And I guess one of the things, and I was

1304
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:45,040
Speaker 3: always I love Star Trek, I love Star Wars. I

1305
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 3: really enjoyed like the I like the escapism of it,

1306
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,080
Speaker 3: just like everybody else, did, you know?

1307
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 5: And I think this idea that.

1308
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 3: The limitations that are placed on blackness should not be

1309
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 3: the ones that are placed on blackness by black people, right, Like,

1310
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 3: I think that there's one of the things about being black,

1311
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 3: one of the things, one of the ways that you

1312
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 3: know you're black. Like I was ostracized from the black

1313
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 3: community because I was picked on.

1314
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 5: I was like, this, that's initiation.

1315
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how we feel love, Okay, Like that's what

1316
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:17,720
Speaker 3: it is being black.

1317
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 5: It is it is. It is the initiation.

1318
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: And in this white people don't even have a they

1319
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 1: don't even have the dozens, but like every every black

1320
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 1: community has the dozens. You gotta be able to do.

1321
01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm like, I always feel a little

1322
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 1: bit of empathy. I feel overwhelming empathy obviously for my

1323
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 1: black folks who couldn't hack it. But at the same time,

1324
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 1: I always feel like the love was right on the

1325
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:45,919
Speaker 1: other side of the door. You just gotta walk through

1326
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: and be like, all right, you clown me by having

1327
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:52,000
Speaker 1: high water jeans, and now we move on and we're

1328
01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 1: best friends. It's a little rough, but it's not the

1329
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:54,920
Speaker 1: end of the world.

1330
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 3: And even if like for me, like I had this

1331
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 3: shitty squad of fourth grade girls, we're bullying and horrible

1332
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 3: or whatever, but I now got some really great insults

1333
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:09,600
Speaker 3: and now I'm like, oh, like very very resilient.

1334
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 5: And it's like, so now people still do.

1335
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 3: This to me, like they're like, oh, well, like I'm

1336
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 3: always like I was always the person that was the

1337
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 3: darkest person anybody ever knew.

1338
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:22,479
Speaker 5: So I mean like they're almost black, like Lisa, and

1339
01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 5: it's like yeah, yeah, and I'm the end of the spectrum.

1340
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 2: And the thing that.

1341
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 5: Night time and like, oh no.

1342
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: The thing that that that's so interesting to me is that.

1343
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 1: And it's obviously a grass is greener situation. The assumption

1344
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:40,800
Speaker 1: in our heads, and I think this is definitely because

1345
01:08:40,800 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 1: of white superency becomes well, if they were all white kids,

1346
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:52,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be picked on at all. It's like, oh no, baby, right, like.

1347
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:54,719
Speaker 5: Honestly, they won't pick it people.

1348
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:58,439
Speaker 1: Honestly, if the white people aren't, if they're not picking

1349
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: on you, is even worse than anything. You know, like,

1350
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 1: you better hope that you got some that will just

1351
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:06,439
Speaker 1: call you a nerd, because if not, they're just saying

1352
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 1: it behind your back, like, oh God, why did you

1353
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:10,000
Speaker 1: invite Leon again?

1354
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:15,080
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, because their language is different. And so,

1355
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 4: you know, as you get older, particularly as you're getting

1356
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:20,559
Speaker 4: the workforce, you realize that our language is different. Because

1357
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 4: one thing I love about Negro is good battering difference.

1358
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:25,240
Speaker 4: We'll tell you to your face if we like it,

1359
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 4: if we don't like you, like like like like, we

1360
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 4: don't bite our.

1361
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 2: Tongue on certain things.

1362
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 4: And so when I got to the workforce, I didn't

1363
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 4: understand that white people's language is completely different. And a

1364
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 4: lot of people, like I said, a lot of black

1365
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 4: people lose the job and don't even know why.

1366
01:09:38,880 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 5: They don't even know why the job.

1367
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: That documentary about the black woman who was born into

1368
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 1: the white family and they just let her think she

1369
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: was white, though that none of them thought she was

1370
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 1: white the whole time, and then like by the end,

1371
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 1: by the end she realized obviously she's black, because every

1372
01:09:53,800 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 1: time she means a black person, they're like, oh, what's

1373
01:09:56,120 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 1: the girl and she's like, oh, no, I'm white. They're like, ooh,

1374
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 1: someone's gonna have to come to a reconing or whatever

1375
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 1: and that. But to me, I always felt like they

1376
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 1: did her a great disservice as the white family to

1377
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 1: let that go on. And to me, it was like duplicitis,

1378
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 1: like y'all really was like comfortable being like, yeah, she

1379
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:20,000
Speaker 1: looked like a fool, but you know that she ain't right,

1380
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 1: that's whack.

1381
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:23,559
Speaker 5: It's also it's sinister.

1382
01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 3: It is sinister, and it is a form of abusive

1383
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 3: against this child.

1384
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 4: Like.

1385
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 3: Hurt.

1386
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's your family member.

1387
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:36,200
Speaker 3: And that this is the laziness though it's poitizing, like

1388
01:10:36,240 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 3: they pretty smart said, it's prioritizing their comfort as white

1389
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 3: people over the safety and health of their child. Right,

1390
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 3: if you've adopted this black child, and you love this

1391
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:50,599
Speaker 3: black child, why can't you teach her to love her skin?

1392
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 5: And it reminds me of something that I sometimes tell

1393
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 5: my stuents.

1394
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:56,519
Speaker 3: People say, oh, Lisa, when I look at you, I

1395
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 3: don't see black.

1396
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 5: I just see a person. And I say, here's the thing.

1397
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 3: Here's what's wrong with that because we look at this

1398
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 3: as a colorblind compliment, right, The thing that's wrong with

1399
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 3: it is this, you clearly do see that I am black.

1400
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:11,800
Speaker 5: You see that?

1401
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 3: And what instead rather than saying, hey, I see Lisa,

1402
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:20,600
Speaker 3: she is black. I must now unlearn all of the

1403
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 3: racist things I think about black people, you will say

1404
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 3: Lisa is not really black. Yes, so you can keep

1405
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:31,599
Speaker 3: your racist ideas in place and let me be an

1406
01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 3: exception exactly, you know, and so that there's nothing complimentary

1407
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:37,679
Speaker 3: about I don't see.

1408
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:38,160
Speaker 5: You as black.

1409
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 1: Also, I have experiences as a black person that I'm

1410
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 1: bringing to the table. And like I talked to Randolph Terrence,

1411
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 1: the comedian will talk sometimes, and I remember a long

1412
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 1: time ago we had a talk where he was talking

1413
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 1: about when people used to tell him not to be

1414
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:56,799
Speaker 1: like like white people used to shit on deaf comedy

1415
01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:59,679
Speaker 1: jam and this is when he was younger and stuff.

1416
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 1: So you would kind of like taking them like, I

1417
01:12:01,439 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 1: don't want to be that kind of black comic because obviously,

1418
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 1: you know, white people are telling me not that's that's hack,

1419
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:10,600
Speaker 1: that's just And I was like, the obvious point is

1420
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:13,759
Speaker 1: they're jealous. They can't do that comedy. They can't access

1421
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 1: those rooms, in those spaces, those communal notes that exist

1422
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:21,880
Speaker 1: within death comedy jail don't exist within for white people

1423
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 1: because they didn't learn them growing up.

1424
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 5: And exactly, mostly.

1425
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,519
Speaker 1: The trick is to get you to limit yourself because

1426
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 1: if you go out there and you're killing, and you

1427
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 1: got that confidence and you're getting that gig and whatever's

1428
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 1: happening for you, that's a thing they didn't get and

1429
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 1: they never wanted you to get. So there's like a

1430
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 1: level where they want to have you real your own

1431
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:44,639
Speaker 1: self in before before they can even do it.

1432
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:48,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, And exactly a lot of the times truth and

1433
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:51,040
Speaker 4: maybe it's just me on the outside looking in. If

1434
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 4: you could kill in a black room, most likely you

1435
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 4: can kill just about anywhere. Yeah, because we are the

1436
01:12:57,080 --> 01:13:00,200
Speaker 4: like the way we look at comedy. Sometimes it ain't right,

1437
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 4: but we'll come in with I found with I all's

1438
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 4: folded and look at you and like make need.

1439
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 1: It's the dozens, right, it's it's the you know, Like

1440
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 1: that's the other thing too. You can make it in

1441
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 1: like out of my neighborhood and talk that shit. I

1442
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:15,879
Speaker 1: hope you don't think I'm going to the Harris YMCA

1443
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: and being like, I ain't gonna talk that shit in here.

1444
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 1: I'm talking that shit like that's that's what I live in.

1445
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 1: This is how I eat and breathe. At this point,

1446
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 1: I had to turn it down. I remember when I

1447
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 1: played basketball at the White YMCA. I remember when I

1448
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: first got in there. I was definitely a bit rough

1449
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,800
Speaker 1: around the edges because I had just been playing basketball

1450
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 1: in the hood with nothing but black people in all life,

1451
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 1: and they I didn't realize how rough it was until

1452
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:42,840
Speaker 1: like I would like, somebody's fighting a call or something,

1453
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 1: you know, you debate a call, and I just like

1454
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 1: take the ball and be like, man, fuck that, it's

1455
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 1: off ball. And they look like, oh god, what is this?

1456
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh is this? Oh am I

1457
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 1: going to I'm sorry I turned it.

1458
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:54,600
Speaker 5: Down for you.

1459
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 1: But the point being, my defaults at was ten, so

1460
01:13:57,720 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 1: like I can turn it down. I think the same

1461
01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:01,000
Speaker 1: thing with a lot of our stuff is like, you

1462
01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,599
Speaker 1: come from black culture, your default setting is ten. It's

1463
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:06,720
Speaker 1: the hardest one to thrive in, but that means I

1464
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 1: can go anywhere else and kill It's like when people

1465
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 1: have us as guests on their shows and they're like okay,

1466
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 1: so no cussing, and I'm like, we're gonna kill this.

1467
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about that. Like whatever your rules are,

1468
01:14:17,240 --> 01:14:20,160
Speaker 1: we're well, you know, we do things this way, I

1469
01:14:20,280 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 1: promise will be Okay, we've done it the hardest way

1470
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:24,879
Speaker 1: twenty five hundred times.

1471
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 2: Yes, we can rein it in. I trust me.

1472
01:14:29,680 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, like, did you let's

1473
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:35,080
Speaker 1: talk about Houses Dragon? How are you feeling about this

1474
01:14:35,240 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 1: season in general, like as somebody that you know, and

1475
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 1: how did you feel about, you know, the first series

1476
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 1: because I know a lot of people's enthusiasm had dipped

1477
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 1: because of the last two seasons to a lot of people,

1478
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:51,360
Speaker 1: and then it's okay, we're gonna do it again prequel series.

1479
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 1: Were you like excited like yes? Or were you like, oh,

1480
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:56,280
Speaker 1: here we go again. I hope it's good.

1481
01:14:57,160 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 3: I was excited like yes, And I feel like that

1482
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 3: sement has paid off. I really think Houses the Dragon

1483
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:04,439
Speaker 3: is better than Game of Thrones. I think it's better

1484
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:06,880
Speaker 3: than the first season. I think it has the benefit

1485
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 3: of new writers and more more accountability in some ways.

1486
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 3: I know some people call it fan service when they

1487
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 3: don't like it, but it's accountability and I really appreciated

1488
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 3: that the way that women so far have been better

1489
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:28,840
Speaker 3: represented that that grewsome graphic first scene with Emma in

1490
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 3: the first one, y'all actually got me. I printed off

1491
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 3: a dog one genealogy so that I could.

1492
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 5: Keep all the people separate.

1493
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 3: A lot of people, it's a lot of names, it's

1494
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 3: a lot of people. But Emma when she when she

1495
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 3: was you know, completely violated and murdered so that the

1496
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,559
Speaker 3: baby could come out. I thought that that that that

1497
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 3: they had women on the they consulted with women, and

1498
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:55,760
Speaker 3: they did.

1499
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,240
Speaker 1: You read that article where they so they talked to

1500
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:00,600
Speaker 1: those women and women was like it wasn't gratien.

1501
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:04,479
Speaker 5: They wanted it more. They wanted Yeah.

1502
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 3: And I also liked how they juxtaposed it against the

1503
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:11,400
Speaker 3: jousting scene, you know, like that was clear.

1504
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:14,759
Speaker 5: I also really like the sex in the series.

1505
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:18,599
Speaker 3: I really like how it's so much better that they

1506
01:16:18,600 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 3: are investing in the pleasures of viewers beyond Cis had

1507
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 3: white men slash boys and before it would be like

1508
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:31,679
Speaker 3: Teddy patrol, Teddy Teddy Teddy titty tik everywhere, and it's like, dang,

1509
01:16:31,720 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 3: I got some of those already. I'm not interested in

1510
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:34,639
Speaker 3: seeing that yeah.

1511
01:16:34,439 --> 01:16:38,639
Speaker 1: The sex position. The sex position is gone, which I think, yes,

1512
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 1: it just serves the show a lot better. The way

1513
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 1: they filmed the the sex scenes and stuff, obviously like

1514
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 1: some sometimes through it from a feminine lens, but also

1515
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:52,439
Speaker 1: through like I think so when the first show first

1516
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 1: came out the first time, I think their whole thing

1517
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:58,600
Speaker 1: was bro is not gonna be no fucking like, we

1518
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 1: just ain't no token man, and we bought the fuck

1519
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:04,439
Speaker 1: and I think everything that could be extreme they just did.

1520
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:06,640
Speaker 1: It was like the most extreme because we want to

1521
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:09,639
Speaker 1: shock people out of whatever. And then of course comes

1522
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 1: the backlash and the feedback and stuff, and I actually

1523
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 1: do think they got better with that stuff the last

1524
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:17,719
Speaker 1: two seasons. Even though people didn't like the last two seasons,

1525
01:17:18,160 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 1: those are kind of the tamest seasons. It was like,

1526
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 1: all right, we can't show that anymore, Like we can't

1527
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,640
Speaker 1: do that because they were starting to get feedback. This

1528
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 1: one there's obviously more women involved, but they also just

1529
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:34,080
Speaker 1: have the lessons they learned from the first one.

1530
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:36,440
Speaker 5: I thought people would be more.

1531
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 1: Disliking the pacing more than anything, because it's very fast

1532
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:45,679
Speaker 1: and a lot of people a lot of people's complained

1533
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 1: the last two season was it was moving too fast,

1534
01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 1: and I remember they were right in and be like,

1535
01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:52,880
Speaker 1: it's going too fast, And of course they were right

1536
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 1: into the wrong show, because I was like, I've been

1537
01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:58,200
Speaker 1: wanting this to go fast the whole time.

1538
01:17:58,600 --> 01:18:01,080
Speaker 4: You need to see this raven trap for eight episodes,

1539
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:01,799
Speaker 4: let's go.

1540
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:05,599
Speaker 1: Like, honestly, they could have skipped every sex scene if

1541
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:07,639
Speaker 1: they would have just fast forwarded to the next one.

1542
01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 1: For me, I didn't care about that stuff, Like I

1543
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 1: was like, uh, like I was. I was very much

1544
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 1: tired of like, We're sending a raven to such and such.

1545
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 1: Three weeks later the raven gets there. It's like, fag,

1546
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,640
Speaker 1: It's a TV show, it's not a documentary. We not

1547
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:27,479
Speaker 1: reliving this shit fast forward. It can't be that serious.

1548
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 1: And so this time though, I actually feel like they

1549
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:33,280
Speaker 1: got it right, like and the stuff. I forgive them

1550
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 1: for the stuff that they gloss over, because I'm like,

1551
01:18:37,240 --> 01:18:39,400
Speaker 1: if it wasn't that important, and if it was that important,

1552
01:18:39,400 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 1: they would have stopped and explained it. It must not

1553
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 1: be that damn important, right, you.

1554
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 5: Know, exactly, exactly exactly.

1555
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:47,439
Speaker 3: And I think that one of the things I also

1556
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:51,920
Speaker 3: appreciate is that the way that they have invested themselves

1557
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 3: in agency of the women characters. I thought that was

1558
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 3: much much better than before. Like it's just it feels

1559
01:18:58,000 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 3: like they're making a lot more effen.

1560
01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 1: Didn't every character men and women. They're writing them so

1561
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:08,799
Speaker 1: much more complex in that they're none of them are perfect.

1562
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 1: Which as much as I love Aria and stuff, it

1563
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 1: was it was so much love for Aria, so much

1564
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 1: love for John Snow it was to the detriment of

1565
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 1: other characters. You know, we weren't supposed to hate sons

1566
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:23,559
Speaker 1: of but people ended up hating her, And I was like,

1567
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 1: that's it's unfair. But it's also partially because they didn't

1568
01:19:27,040 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 1: do a good job laying that story out to people

1569
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:34,120
Speaker 1: to see how sympathetic that character was and me exactly

1570
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 1: and making Aria too good, Like you literally needed to

1571
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 1: have Aria do something bad at some point so people

1572
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 1: would be like, oh, maybe her sister wasn't that bad

1573
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 1: to not do what she says, But this time they

1574
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 1: got it right. Like just thinking about Visara's and like

1575
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:55,240
Speaker 1: the decision he makes with Ama in episode one, unforgivable,

1576
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:56,520
Speaker 1: literally unforgivable.

1577
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 5: You're never gonna get over it.

1578
01:19:57,920 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 1: I'll never forget it, and then by the time this

1579
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 1: dude dies, I'm like, oh God, without him, the family

1580
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:07,760
Speaker 1: is done, you know, like Mama's gone, like.

1581
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:17,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, developer, yese be gone right.

1582
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:20,559
Speaker 5: My cousin got problem with him, she got the sugar. Yes,

1583
01:20:20,680 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 5: that's what we're gonna do.

1584
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 2: The reunion.

1585
01:20:24,080 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 1: They already fighting over the will, you know, like it's

1586
01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 1: it was, But it was like, that's great writing, because

1587
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 1: I never I don't go back to episode one and go,

1588
01:20:33,640 --> 01:20:36,160
Speaker 1: I forget, what a great decision. But but by the end,

1589
01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:39,000
Speaker 1: you're like, it bounces out that he made so many

1590
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 1: other he saw the big picture and tried to make

1591
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 1: peace so many other times that you're like, damn, he's

1592
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 1: not as bad as his worst day. He's not as

1593
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:49,760
Speaker 1: great as his best day. Those are your favorite to me,

1594
01:20:49,920 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 1: those are my favorite characters.

1595
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:54,400
Speaker 3: I do have to say one of the things I

1596
01:20:54,439 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 3: think that that I think I don't know if we

1597
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 3: agreed or disagreed on this, because I was the one

1598
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 3: in the comment during this episode, not this one, but

1599
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:04,760
Speaker 3: from months from back to go talking about.

1600
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:06,560
Speaker 5: Christian Christians, Sir, Christians.

1601
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 3: Christian is an in cell. And the reason I was

1602
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 3: calling him an in cell. If we think about an

1603
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:15,760
Speaker 3: in cel is someone who was involuntarily celibate, right, someone

1604
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:19,679
Speaker 3: who was forced into this position. I am convinced that

1605
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:24,599
Speaker 3: when Danny when he calling her Danny, it's not true wheraette,

1606
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 3: when the blond lady when Ranera and him, when they

1607
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 3: had sex, this was her decision.

1608
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 5: She was in the lead.

1609
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 3: It was clearly it was a violation, It was abusive power.

1610
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 3: All of that is true. Right, he could not say no,

1611
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 3: and that was wrong. But he was hoping to regain

1612
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 3: mastery over her. But if she were to restore his honor, right,

1613
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:49,439
Speaker 3: But I don't think he was concerned about his lost honor.

1614
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 3: I don't think that was the first time he'd ever

1615
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 3: had sex. I don't believe that.

1616
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:54,639
Speaker 1: I oh, it definitely wasn't his first time having sex.

1617
01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 1: He said so, like the week before when she asked

1618
01:21:58,160 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 1: him about being a knight, and neath said that, yeah,

1619
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 1: he could have had his pick of women. But once

1620
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,559
Speaker 1: he became a knight, which actually should have been a

1621
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 1: huge fucking red flag for he says, once he became

1622
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:11,599
Speaker 1: a knight, he didn't have sex with nobody anymore. So

1623
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 1: it was it sounded like he, like I guess to

1624
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:19,719
Speaker 1: me in cell is involuntary, meaning you want to have sex.

1625
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:23,160
Speaker 1: That's in these guys' minds. Let's just I'm about to

1626
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 1: step into the mind of an insuet. I am not

1627
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 1: agreeing with it. I just like to put a little

1628
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 1: let's just put that out there first. Their minds is

1629
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 1: they would like to have sex, women won't have sex

1630
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 1: with them, and so they hate women. This dude. Yet

1631
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 1: this dude is voluntarily like, I'm not having sex because

1632
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:44,120
Speaker 1: my oath is so important to me. And he don't

1633
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:44,719
Speaker 1: hate women.

1634
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:49,639
Speaker 3: He hate that one, Okay, So I can see that.

1635
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 3: I think that, for the record, definitely a.

1636
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 5: Piece of shit. So I agree with that. I do

1637
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 5: understand that.

1638
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:58,760
Speaker 3: I think what I was hanging on to in your

1639
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:02,479
Speaker 3: definition of in cell was the contempt for women, and

1640
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 3: I think that that contempt even though that contempt, it

1641
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 3: feels like it's the same feeling, right, the the worship

1642
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:16,600
Speaker 3: and adoration he has for Allison, Right, it's just an inversion.

1643
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 1: It could be because she is a pigmy, you know

1644
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:25,680
Speaker 1: what I mean. Yes, but I'll say, like we'll see, like,

1645
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 1: let's we'll see if it's just women in general. He

1646
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:31,599
Speaker 1: just hate women because like he seemed to be okay

1647
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 1: around the majority of women, but na name come up.

1648
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:39,719
Speaker 5: This man loses it. Yeah, all all.

1649
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:42,040
Speaker 1: Honor, valor everything.

1650
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:43,240
Speaker 5: The kildren.

1651
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:46,959
Speaker 3: How he beat up the kids in the playoff, Yes,

1652
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:48,519
Speaker 3: beat up her children.

1653
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 2: Make like we'll talk about it.

1654
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:54,320
Speaker 1: We'll talk about it tomorrow. But Lord Besbury took that

1655
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:58,800
Speaker 1: l for advocating for Ranera, like that man hate that

1656
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:03,839
Speaker 1: woman in a way that one like he took Apparently

1657
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:07,200
Speaker 1: he took the vows very serious that and he did.

1658
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 1: There's always one Like in Game of Thrones, I felt

1659
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:12,320
Speaker 1: like John Snow was kind of not hating women, but

1660
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 1: he was I take the vowel seriously, and everyone around

1661
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 1: him was like, bro, we are going to the strip

1662
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:21,639
Speaker 1: club tonight. He's like, nah, I take my vowel seriously.

1663
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:23,080
Speaker 1: You know we're not supposed to be doing that up

1664
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:26,639
Speaker 1: here at the wall. Everybody else around him like as

1665
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:28,800
Speaker 1: they turned on him and end up stabbing him. He

1666
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:31,720
Speaker 1: dies for his vowels because he's the one person like,

1667
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:33,760
Speaker 1: ain't this wrong? And they're like, you know what for

1668
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 1: the watch stab stas staff Sir Christien is like if

1669
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:41,680
Speaker 1: John Snow turned bitter after getting snabbed, Like like if

1670
01:24:41,720 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 1: John Snow would have woke up and been like I'm

1671
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:46,640
Speaker 1: taking the throne. Like that's Sir Christian is like so

1672
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:51,120
Speaker 1: deranged about this woman and the violation he feels, and

1673
01:24:51,200 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 1: I do find him to be interested.

1674
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 5: Get laid and enjoyed it very much, very much.

1675
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now he did end up killing that woman, but

1676
01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:02,560
Speaker 1: that was completely different circumstances.

1677
01:25:01,760 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 5: It was accident.

1678
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:05,479
Speaker 1: He didn't want to, he didn't want to.

1679
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:08,519
Speaker 5: A child killed her. She got killed by a child.

1680
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:12,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. You know what, manslaughter at best,

1681
01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 1: manslaughter at best.

1682
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 3: But yeah, after the facts, after the fact.

1683
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:23,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, he wouldn't do the full time. All the thing

1684
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 1: about Sir Christen that I do find so interesting is

1685
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 1: if you flip the genders on it, I do think

1686
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 1: most people will feel the opposite, like whatever she wants

1687
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 1: to do whenever that man's name comes up, fuck that man.

1688
01:25:37,479 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 1: It's on site. But that's why I love the show. Yes,

1689
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:43,760
Speaker 1: that's why I love the show because it's great. It's

1690
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 1: the great area of like, yeah, if this was reversing,

1691
01:25:48,160 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 1: some prince did this to some handmaid and I'd be like, yeah,

1692
01:25:51,240 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 1: if she want to kill this nigga or his kids

1693
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 1: or whatever, he shouldn't have did it with her. I'm like, hey, man, bro,

1694
01:25:56,880 --> 01:26:01,720
Speaker 1: you gotta get over it. It's really been twenty years.

1695
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 5: Money go let it go. And you know what I.

1696
01:26:08,840 --> 01:26:12,679
Speaker 3: Love about your show. I love how you teach people

1697
01:26:12,720 --> 01:26:16,240
Speaker 3: how to interact with you. And by that I mean

1698
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 3: the way you say things like don't write in what

1699
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:22,479
Speaker 3: don't write in? I can tell you this was shocking

1700
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 3: to me at first when you all were like, we

1701
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:27,639
Speaker 3: don't care about what happens in the books. And again,

1702
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:28,879
Speaker 3: I'm a literature professor.

1703
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:30,479
Speaker 5: That's what I do. I teach. I'm a professor of

1704
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:32,160
Speaker 5: African American literature and culture.

1705
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:34,439
Speaker 3: And when we do Game of Thrones, I've read all

1706
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 3: the books, and we read the first book and we

1707
01:26:36,280 --> 01:26:38,439
Speaker 3: compare that to the first season, et cetera, et cetera.

1708
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:42,639
Speaker 3: But when I tell you, these book readers have been

1709
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:46,800
Speaker 3: annoying as annoying and shit I mean, and I'm like,

1710
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 3: and I'm like, and I write for book readers.

1711
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:51,360
Speaker 5: I'm a book reading as bitch. That's my job job,

1712
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 5: but they are ruining it.

1713
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:57,040
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I'll go into different rooms on a

1714
01:26:57,120 --> 01:26:59,519
Speaker 3: clubhouse and then somebody will pop in and say, well,

1715
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:02,120
Speaker 3: the mag king is to descended up and I'm like, cood.

1716
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 1: Right, And that's the thing, like, like we've learned that

1717
01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 1: from years of trial and error doing enough other reviews

1718
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:14,800
Speaker 1: and so you know, one there's just a certain type

1719
01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:17,400
Speaker 1: of negative feedback we want to avoid because too many

1720
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:19,680
Speaker 1: even shows I used to listen to that with do

1721
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,519
Speaker 1: Game of Throngs, it would eventually become the like, whatever

1722
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:25,240
Speaker 1: your grievance is right in and it will go back,

1723
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't want to do that.

1724
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 1: Then the second part of it is the book reader people,

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01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:34,160
Speaker 1: even when they mean well, sometimes they slip up into

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01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:37,320
Speaker 1: cause they know certain things that gotta happen. I don't

1727
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 1: want to know. And for us to do the best

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01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 1: type of recap, in my opinion, is we can't know.

1729
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:45,559
Speaker 1: If we fuck around and start knowing shit, then it's

1730
01:27:45,600 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 1: like it becomes less of an honest reaction from us,

1731
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:53,120
Speaker 1: and it becomes more about us being right rather than

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01:27:53,200 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 1: us being like whatever. And so we used to have

1733
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 1: trolls that were coming to chat room like Puppa's fall

1734
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:01,720
Speaker 1: up there, or we have people that would email us

1735
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:03,679
Speaker 1: and go, this isn't a spoiler. It'd be a definitely

1736
01:28:03,680 --> 01:28:06,679
Speaker 1: fucking spoiler, Like it's not a spoiler, but I think

1737
01:28:06,960 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 1: John Snow is gonna die come back in two episodes.

1738
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 1: You're like, well, why would you do that? And then

1739
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:14,639
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're remembering this Game of Thrones,

1740
01:28:14,680 --> 01:28:19,559
Speaker 1: the show was having issues containing scripts and keeping, so

1741
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:23,479
Speaker 1: people were like heavily they wouldn't know stuff from like

1742
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:26,320
Speaker 1: conversations they had not based on our podcast. And then

1743
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:29,120
Speaker 1: right in to feel smart, and we're like, it's not

1744
01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:31,519
Speaker 1: about feeling smart, it's about feeling good. Let's have a

1745
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 1: good time.

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01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:35,400
Speaker 5: You know, yes, yes, good time. And there's places for

1747
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:37,559
Speaker 5: other If there's other podcasts.

1748
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 3: This place, and that's fine, go over there, that's fine.

1749
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:45,519
Speaker 2: Go over there and have a great time.

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01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 1: Uh.

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01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 4: And also I think for us, like I said, me

1752
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:52,599
Speaker 4: and Roger learn because I what people fad to realize.

1753
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 4: If we had to set these rules, we wouldn't have

1754
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 4: go we wouldn't go do recap like like we had to.

1755
01:28:57,439 --> 01:29:02,320
Speaker 4: We had to set these boundaries because we know us Yeah,

1756
01:29:02,360 --> 01:29:03,120
Speaker 4: and we.

1757
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 2: Know people don't mean no harm. Like we know people

1758
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 2: don't mean no harm.

1759
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:08,760
Speaker 4: We know they're excited, they want to be here and

1760
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:09,400
Speaker 4: they're happy.

1761
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:10,840
Speaker 2: So so we understand this.

1762
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:14,519
Speaker 4: But you have, guys, got to understand it's two of us,

1763
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 4: it's a lot of y'all, and so like them numbers

1764
01:29:18,280 --> 01:29:21,560
Speaker 4: ain't the same, and so like like y'all get a

1765
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:24,600
Speaker 4: lot of input and a lot of yeah yeah, and

1766
01:29:24,720 --> 01:29:27,000
Speaker 4: and like I said, I know you're excited and you

1767
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:28,160
Speaker 4: don't mean no harm.

1768
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 2: But when we get the same thing over and over

1769
01:29:30,520 --> 01:29:33,599
Speaker 2: and over and over and over again, you.

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01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 4: Know, for us, it wears us down and we want

1771
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:38,160
Speaker 4: to keep it fun and chaining.

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01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:40,439
Speaker 1: For you guys, I know I had to learn. This

1773
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:43,040
Speaker 1: is just a thing I learned, uh, way too late

1774
01:29:43,080 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 1: in my life, but you know, better earlier than never, right,

1775
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:48,759
Speaker 1: But it was like, you have to be honest about

1776
01:29:48,760 --> 01:29:51,679
Speaker 1: your boundaries because it helps people, It makes the relationships better.

1777
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:54,040
Speaker 1: I feel like part of the reason is easier this

1778
01:29:54,120 --> 01:29:57,160
Speaker 1: year is because when we don't like something and the

1779
01:29:57,200 --> 01:30:00,439
Speaker 1: feedback or something, we can just immediately be like, hey, Like,

1780
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 1: one of the things we started getting was someone would

1781
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 1: watch the show and then they send us twelve paragraphs

1782
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:06,280
Speaker 1: of something.

1783
01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:08,599
Speaker 5: I did see that we haven't even done our review yet.

1784
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:11,760
Speaker 1: So like, this is really just your blog about Game

1785
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:14,680
Speaker 1: of Thrones and I'm reading your blog, which you know

1786
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:16,559
Speaker 1: you should write a blog. You know what I mean.

1787
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 1: It's like like I'm sure it's very talented and funny,

1788
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:23,000
Speaker 1: but like it's becoming something that's not about the blackout tips.

1789
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:27,360
Speaker 1: It's about you and your feelings in your journal. That's

1790
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:31,000
Speaker 1: for you in your journal. But in the past, in

1791
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:33,640
Speaker 1: the past, I would have just been like annoyed, but

1792
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:35,320
Speaker 1: I would have read it anyway and I'll be like,

1793
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:37,720
Speaker 1: this is kind of a little bit weird that they

1794
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:40,200
Speaker 1: these people keep doing this. And then this year I

1795
01:30:40,200 --> 01:30:42,200
Speaker 1: was just like, can y'all not do that? And what

1796
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:45,439
Speaker 1: was dope? And I mean it sincerely. People were like,

1797
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:48,680
Speaker 1: thank you. I hadn't thought of it that way. I

1798
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:51,439
Speaker 1: appreciate you. I'm gonna change how I write in and that,

1799
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:54,360
Speaker 1: like we have those kind of fans, and I you know,

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01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:56,840
Speaker 1: we would never like take advantage of those fans, but

1801
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 1: it's like it's beautiful to have that relationship with people

1802
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 1: as opposed to people going your show if y'all got

1803
01:31:02,160 --> 01:31:05,160
Speaker 1: an attitude, you know. So I'm very.

1804
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:08,000
Speaker 4: Happy because it's a love because this is something that

1805
01:31:08,040 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 4: we all love. And one thing that I really love

1806
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:15,960
Speaker 4: about covering this show. We have people who write us

1807
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:18,639
Speaker 4: about the show they only watched the show too, and we.

1808
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:21,240
Speaker 2: Have people that write us that read the books, so

1809
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 2: we have these.

1810
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 4: People coming from different jamas. So we want all these

1811
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:27,760
Speaker 4: different groups of people together and have a good time.

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01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:30,800
Speaker 1: One more thing to prom I move on. But I

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01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:33,040
Speaker 1: have to give the book readers a lot of credit

1814
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:37,160
Speaker 1: for the feedback we've gotten this year. Like they've kept

1815
01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:39,120
Speaker 1: it like if it's some shit going on, they kept

1816
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:41,439
Speaker 1: it to themselves in a way that I would never know,

1817
01:31:42,000 --> 01:31:44,000
Speaker 1: like maybe some other book reader would know. But the

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01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 1: way they've written in I have not felt spoiled. I

1819
01:31:46,320 --> 01:31:48,320
Speaker 1: haven't felt like people are taking stuff from the book

1820
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:51,000
Speaker 1: and like acting like they don't know what's going on

1821
01:31:51,200 --> 01:31:53,040
Speaker 1: just to get it on the show. Like everybody's been

1822
01:31:53,080 --> 01:31:57,960
Speaker 1: super respectful. Everybody's been very nice. We've gotten more listeners.

1823
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:00,840
Speaker 1: People are spreading the word like it's a beautiful black

1824
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:03,760
Speaker 1: ass time over here. And I'm just appreciating that we're

1825
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 1: able to do that, because it's a it's weird being

1826
01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:09,320
Speaker 1: a hub for something that's not ours, you know what

1827
01:32:09,360 --> 01:32:12,960
Speaker 1: I mean. But everyone's coming in being like, oh, i'll

1828
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:17,120
Speaker 1: respect the rules, and so yeah, I definitely appreciate, appreciate that,

1829
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:19,240
Speaker 1: and I'm glad that people listening can appreciate that.

1830
01:32:19,479 --> 01:32:21,759
Speaker 4: Yes, and that's a we want to have a good time,

1831
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:23,559
Speaker 4: and so that's one thing I do love about it.

1832
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:25,360
Speaker 4: It's about having a good time. And I'm glad we

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01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:27,439
Speaker 4: have a good time. I'm good audience have a good time,

1834
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 4: and I'm glad that people you know continue to write

1835
01:32:30,360 --> 01:32:32,120
Speaker 4: in and interact with us.

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01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:36,400
Speaker 1: Well, listen, this conversation's been great. But we are sponsored

1837
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:38,160
Speaker 1: today and we have to pay bills because we are

1838
01:32:38,360 --> 01:32:43,720
Speaker 1: black capitalists as well, so black capitalism we got to

1839
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 1: cover some black capitalism. So I could do this ad read.

1840
01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 1: Let me pull out this black capitalism song. Uh you

1841
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:54,680
Speaker 1: know what, let's go with the short version. Here we go.

1842
01:32:57,080 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 1: Oh wait, that's the wrong one. I bet this'll talking.

1843
01:33:02,920 --> 01:33:04,559
Speaker 1: But the only things that.

1844
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 6: Every day we getting to that paper, I hit the

1845
01:33:13,360 --> 01:33:25,760
Speaker 6: money talk. Every day we get I.

1846
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:34,760
Speaker 1: Hear the money talk. I see it later, still waiting

1847
01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:38,760
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Speaker 2: I didn't even know.

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Speaker 1: Listen, they are putting me on by existing. I didn't

1856
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:05,120
Speaker 1: even know coffee could come like this. Okay, I got

1857
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Speaker 1: a K cup curric machine or whatever. I just been

1858
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:10,559
Speaker 1: slapping in them little cups. Boom, hit the coffee button.

1859
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Speaker 1: All you gotta do is put in cold TBGWT, go

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Speaker 1: check out the beans. If I know, y'all, coffee conoisseurs

1873
01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:55,599
Speaker 1: probably laughing at me, like, oh you late, we been

1874
01:34:55,680 --> 01:34:58,320
Speaker 1: on this. Well, I am late, but I'm here now

1875
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:00,320
Speaker 1: and I think you should join me. If if you're

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Speaker 1: We're gonna start at a low note and build our

1879
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:17,640
Speaker 1: way up. It's just easier this way. Okay. Kanye West

1880
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:22,640
Speaker 1: Okay is buying conservative social media platform Parlor with the

1881
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:26,519
Speaker 1: hard R. I was about that. Yeah, very interesting because

1882
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:29,519
Speaker 1: apparently Candace owns and him talking on the phone all

1883
01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:33,200
Speaker 1: the time. Uh, you want to know who owns parlor?

1884
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:39,200
Speaker 1: Who Candas owns? Husband? Oh yeah, what a what an

1885
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:45,600
Speaker 1: interesting It's like the griff don't stop. Yeah in a

1886
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:48,400
Speaker 1: world work in several opinions I considered to be controversial.

1887
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:50,360
Speaker 1: We have to make sure we have the right to

1888
01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:55,200
Speaker 1: freely express ourselves, he said in a statement released by Parlor.

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01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:58,519
Speaker 1: What I find interesting here too, in addition to the

1890
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 1: obviously the it from this woman husband he's getting sued

1891
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:11,160
Speaker 1: by like George Floyd's mom, I believe right now for

1892
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 1: line about George Floyd, he went on several outlets and

1893
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:20,040
Speaker 1: said like he went on definitely on Norri's podcast The

1894
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:24,280
Speaker 1: Drink Champs and said that George Floyd the knee wasn't

1895
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:26,960
Speaker 1: really on his neck. He died from finding out overdose, you.

1896
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:29,640
Speaker 2: Know, provable false statements.

1897
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:32,120
Speaker 4: Yes, Oh, and he've been saying about that other white

1898
01:36:32,160 --> 01:36:34,960
Speaker 4: dude they've been dragging across the country taking his money.

1899
01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:38,160
Speaker 1: Thank you, Karen. Yes, Alex Jones just lost that defamation

1900
01:36:38,280 --> 01:36:41,160
Speaker 1: lawsuit and so of course George Floyd's family and suing.

1901
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:45,400
Speaker 1: Kanye would announced that today. But I'm like, get yes,

1902
01:36:45,479 --> 01:36:49,960
Speaker 1: get him. But these people that's platforming them and putting

1903
01:36:49,960 --> 01:36:50,479
Speaker 1: that shit out.

1904
01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:54,080
Speaker 5: Did they take Drink Champs off YouTube? They took they

1905
01:36:54,200 --> 01:36:55,320
Speaker 5: took the episode down.

1906
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:57,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they took the episode down.

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01:36:57,280 --> 01:37:00,120
Speaker 5: So not the whole series, just the episode from.

1908
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:02,320
Speaker 1: My understanding, just the episode. That's what they were saying

1909
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:03,880
Speaker 1: in the group chat. Y'all can fact check that in

1910
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:09,480
Speaker 1: the chat. But yeah, which I mean after Alex Jones, Yeah,

1911
01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:12,080
Speaker 1: you better take it down. What the fucking y'all think?

1912
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:15,280
Speaker 5: I couldn't I honestly couldn't even want that smoke.

1913
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:19,040
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe Nori and them did that, not on

1914
01:37:19,120 --> 01:37:23,400
Speaker 1: the like uh not even on the level of like morally,

1915
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:25,519
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like you're a better person.

1916
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:29,640
Speaker 1: I think that's already bad enough. Morally. Chasing ratings for

1917
01:37:29,720 --> 01:37:31,440
Speaker 1: any at any cost is ridiculous.

1918
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:35,240
Speaker 5: But dog legally, y'all don't got.

1919
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:38,360
Speaker 1: A legal department. What's going on over there? Because y'all

1920
01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:40,960
Speaker 1: work for Revoke, Like Revoke got a legal perpartment. I

1921
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:43,680
Speaker 1: know when I was writing. When we write shit for

1922
01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:47,080
Speaker 1: Game Theory, and we do comedy, meaning where there's a

1923
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:50,360
Speaker 1: license of humor and sarcasm, we're allowed to fuck with that.

1924
01:37:50,439 --> 01:37:52,800
Speaker 1: A lot of places aren't. It's hard as hell to

1925
01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:56,880
Speaker 1: get a joke through that's not factually correct, Like it

1926
01:37:56,960 --> 01:37:59,280
Speaker 1: gotta be based on some level of because the legal

1927
01:37:59,320 --> 01:38:02,320
Speaker 1: department just literally shows up, Like I can't say that.

1928
01:38:03,080 --> 01:38:05,360
Speaker 1: I'm super shocked that they put that ship out man,

1929
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:09,040
Speaker 1: just for the views. That's anyway, that's crazy. But yeah,

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01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:12,480
Speaker 1: he's buying far. Now, let's get to some black capitalism

1931
01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:17,760
Speaker 1: that we can support. Wendy Williams is reportedly planning to

1932
01:38:17,800 --> 01:38:22,479
Speaker 1: open up a restaurant. I did not know she was

1933
01:38:22,479 --> 01:38:23,200
Speaker 1: in the food game.

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01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:25,400
Speaker 5: I was like, she can't. I'm like she.

1935
01:38:25,439 --> 01:38:28,639
Speaker 1: Cooked, Yeah, I don't you know what she don't.

1936
01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:29,400
Speaker 2: Look like she'd be cooking.

1937
01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:31,840
Speaker 1: If I would have took a bet on does Wendy

1938
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:33,120
Speaker 1: Williams cook, I would have said no.

1939
01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:34,160
Speaker 2: I said no too.

1940
01:38:34,439 --> 01:38:36,439
Speaker 5: I said no too. I would I guess we would

1941
01:38:36,479 --> 01:38:37,080
Speaker 5: have all lost.

1942
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:39,519
Speaker 2: She definitely got a I don't cook that was not

1943
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:41,080
Speaker 2: on the Bingo car. She looked like that.

1944
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:44,720
Speaker 5: Hunty be like to go, yeah, like I can.

1945
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:47,920
Speaker 3: I can hire a cater I can hire That's what

1946
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:50,439
Speaker 3: I just like, I'm not getting my clothes dirty getting

1947
01:38:50,439 --> 01:38:52,639
Speaker 3: food up under honey Back cam.

1948
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:54,680
Speaker 5: They got a two for one special coming off from

1949
01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:55,400
Speaker 5: the honey Back cam.

1950
01:38:55,479 --> 01:38:58,439
Speaker 4: Come on, y'all, y'all gonna beat this Patty Pies do

1951
01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:00,040
Speaker 4: Amazon then be there in two.

1952
01:39:01,120 --> 01:39:04,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I honestly couldn't see her going to like

1953
01:39:04,200 --> 01:39:06,360
Speaker 1: like I can't see myself pulling up in a Walmart.

1954
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:10,400
Speaker 1: And they got like the Wendy Williams whatever, Like Patty

1955
01:39:10,439 --> 01:39:12,240
Speaker 1: got the piles. I don't know what Wendy would have,

1956
01:39:12,280 --> 01:39:14,680
Speaker 1: but it looks like she can cook though, That's what

1957
01:39:14,680 --> 01:39:17,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Like Patty sold me the piles by just

1958
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:18,720
Speaker 1: the fact she put her face on them. I'm like,

1959
01:39:18,760 --> 01:39:23,080
Speaker 1: I know these good, Wendy, I don't know I don't

1960
01:39:23,120 --> 01:39:25,479
Speaker 1: know Wendy, but you know what good for you sis?

1961
01:39:25,479 --> 01:39:27,720
Speaker 1: And I know they were saying she was having some

1962
01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:30,760
Speaker 1: financial issues with her banking stuff. So hopefully this is

1963
01:39:30,760 --> 01:39:34,840
Speaker 1: a sign of some good things on the way, you know,

1964
01:39:35,240 --> 01:39:40,960
Speaker 1: go and get that restaurant. Jay Z has fouled a

1965
01:39:41,120 --> 01:39:47,200
Speaker 1: lawsuit against Bacardi over I think it's duce how you

1966
01:39:47,240 --> 01:39:50,639
Speaker 1: pronounced it, do say? Partnership wants to find out how

1967
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:53,040
Speaker 1: much the Cognac brand is actually making.

1968
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:58,760
Speaker 4: Somebody somebody did some mathea mathematicians and mathematics and was like,

1969
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:02,080
Speaker 4: you are root of this, don't equal sir him?

1970
01:40:02,160 --> 01:40:02,880
Speaker 2: Find the numbers.

1971
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:07,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently his company sc Liquor is a question financial

1972
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:12,519
Speaker 1: transparency from Bricardy overdu say, with which he and Briccardy

1973
01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:14,800
Speaker 1: are fifty to fifty partners in. So this is that

1974
01:40:14,920 --> 01:40:17,679
Speaker 1: thing that people do sometimes and it's like I don't

1975
01:40:17,680 --> 01:40:20,559
Speaker 1: have transparency on how much y'all are selling. I get

1976
01:40:20,560 --> 01:40:22,120
Speaker 1: a check and I'm just supposed to be like, oh,

1977
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:23,960
Speaker 1: this is all the check. I won't see all the

1978
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:24,759
Speaker 1: numbers now.

1979
01:40:25,360 --> 01:40:28,280
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, somebody's seen some units and was like

1980
01:40:28,320 --> 01:40:29,400
Speaker 4: these numbers don't add.

1981
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:31,000
Speaker 1: Up, yep as outlining It's like.

1982
01:40:32,479 --> 01:40:34,599
Speaker 3: It's like the same like people love this. I've been

1983
01:40:34,600 --> 01:40:36,360
Speaker 3: singing about this shit people people buying this.

1984
01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:37,800
Speaker 5: And the numbers, the.

1985
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:40,479
Speaker 3: Math ain't math, And friends say, and I did not

1986
01:40:40,520 --> 01:40:44,160
Speaker 3: get to be a billionaire letting people unmath my math.

1987
01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:46,880
Speaker 1: This is one thing about Sean Corey Carter. He know

1988
01:40:46,960 --> 01:40:47,479
Speaker 1: the math.

1989
01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:50,040
Speaker 4: Okay, you know what they was doing one, two, three,

1990
01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:53,920
Speaker 4: four five. I'm not gonna count six, not gonna count seven, eight, nine, ten,

1991
01:40:54,520 --> 01:40:57,280
Speaker 4: like like somebody been like dropping one to two when

1992
01:40:57,320 --> 01:41:00,320
Speaker 4: you get to a few billions, them them few hundred

1993
01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:02,200
Speaker 4: thousands that y'all left out at up.

1994
01:41:02,520 --> 01:41:05,240
Speaker 1: He wants the records to the all the He wants

1995
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:08,679
Speaker 1: all the records, warehouse locations that are storing the barrels,

1996
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:11,240
Speaker 1: bottles and accessory, as well as the information about their

1997
01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:16,640
Speaker 1: physical inventory and the process. So he want to make

1998
01:41:16,640 --> 01:41:18,000
Speaker 1: sure they're getting all his money.

1999
01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:22,120
Speaker 4: Ain't that the true all of it too? Because guess what,

2000
01:41:22,200 --> 01:41:23,920
Speaker 4: if you take a loss, I'll take a loss too.

2001
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:26,040
Speaker 4: So when you take a game, I want my fucking

2002
01:41:26,080 --> 01:41:26,679
Speaker 4: game too.

2003
01:41:27,160 --> 01:41:29,160
Speaker 3: And all of it, the whole game, not just a

2004
01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:30,520
Speaker 3: little bit you think I should.

2005
01:41:30,280 --> 01:41:35,080
Speaker 1: Have, right. Uh. Former NBA star Charles Barkley donates a

2006
01:41:35,120 --> 01:41:39,240
Speaker 1: million dollars to spell them in college good yay. And

2007
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:42,120
Speaker 1: the reason, yeah, the reason is something.

2008
01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:43,960
Speaker 5: Uh you say that.

2009
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:44,679
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

2010
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:47,000
Speaker 5: I was like, did he do something or is.

2011
01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:49,120
Speaker 1: He just doing it?

2012
01:41:49,200 --> 01:41:51,840
Speaker 5: I'm a generous person. That's wonderful. I think that's great.

2013
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:55,000
Speaker 1: And like he got the money.

2014
01:41:55,160 --> 01:41:58,880
Speaker 3: Okay, because wait, a million dollars is not that much

2015
01:41:58,920 --> 01:42:02,400
Speaker 3: for him, I wouldn't say no. And because according to

2016
01:42:03,200 --> 01:42:06,240
Speaker 3: the news today, he just signed an extension with T

2017
01:42:06,400 --> 01:42:06,680
Speaker 3: n T.

2018
01:42:07,400 --> 01:42:09,640
Speaker 1: Worth one hundred million dollars.

2019
01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:14,479
Speaker 5: To talk about given one mm hmm to talk about?

2020
01:42:14,520 --> 01:42:18,960
Speaker 1: What to talk about basketball? He got a hundred which

2021
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:19,519
Speaker 1: is his lane.

2022
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:20,280
Speaker 5: I could talk about.

2023
01:42:21,120 --> 01:42:23,439
Speaker 1: No, no, no, we just need listen. This man has

2024
01:42:23,479 --> 01:42:27,280
Speaker 1: a very specific lane and if he stays in it,

2025
01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:29,479
Speaker 1: one of the greatest of all times. He just stay

2026
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:34,360
Speaker 1: just just right, just right here. We stay right. We

2027
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:38,599
Speaker 1: don't need nothing over here, nothing just right here talking

2028
01:42:38,600 --> 01:42:43,080
Speaker 1: about basketball. Yeah, you promised not to be one.

2029
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:43,799
Speaker 5: You promise.

2030
01:42:44,479 --> 01:42:49,320
Speaker 1: We just just keep telling us how sorry the NBA

2031
01:42:49,439 --> 01:42:53,120
Speaker 1: basketball is and apologizing to America and making fun of

2032
01:42:53,160 --> 01:42:56,400
Speaker 1: the players, and we'll be fun. And I love that

2033
01:42:56,439 --> 01:42:58,720
Speaker 1: for him and the whole T and T team got

2034
01:42:58,760 --> 01:43:02,200
Speaker 1: signed for many years to come, oh, let's go Shaq, Kenny,

2035
01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:03,560
Speaker 1: Ernie Johnson.

2036
01:43:03,720 --> 01:43:05,320
Speaker 2: They all good at that job. I don't care what

2037
01:43:05,439 --> 01:43:06,200
Speaker 2: nobody says.

2038
01:43:06,240 --> 01:43:09,599
Speaker 5: They are the great News. Yeah, that's great news.

2039
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:11,720
Speaker 1: They would have been fools to let them go anywhay, Like.

2040
01:43:12,240 --> 01:43:15,120
Speaker 5: I know it good for them and the whole team.

2041
01:43:15,240 --> 01:43:19,160
Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah. My favorite thing about them is, like

2042
01:43:19,640 --> 01:43:25,360
Speaker 1: other TV shows clearly see that they're you can't copy

2043
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:27,160
Speaker 1: it because it's unprofessional what they're doing.

2044
01:43:27,200 --> 01:43:28,240
Speaker 2: Like they're very and they.

2045
01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:31,960
Speaker 1: Have so much professionally unprofessional. They're just there to have

2046
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:34,600
Speaker 1: fun and pick on people and all that stuff. I

2047
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:38,040
Speaker 1: love to watch the other channels try a version of it.

2048
01:43:38,040 --> 01:43:42,040
Speaker 4: It's impossible because they have certain personalities that you can't mimic.

2049
01:43:42,240 --> 01:43:43,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, and like their chemistry.

2050
01:43:43,720 --> 01:43:46,880
Speaker 3: They have Yes Chemistry team, and you can't replicate that.

2051
01:43:47,120 --> 01:43:47,400
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2052
01:43:47,600 --> 01:43:50,400
Speaker 1: Like they say like they're able to laugh off stuff

2053
01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:53,200
Speaker 1: that I think would be a fist fight somewhere else,

2054
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:56,519
Speaker 1: Like yes, like Shackle look at Charles Barkley and talk

2055
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:59,400
Speaker 1: about how he's never won a championship and just like

2056
01:44:00,160 --> 01:44:02,880
Speaker 1: it's such a mean thing to say, but like they'll

2057
01:44:02,920 --> 01:44:04,519
Speaker 1: laugh it off and yuck it up and be back

2058
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:07,320
Speaker 1: next break and I'm like, yeah, if Steven ain't Smith,

2059
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:09,080
Speaker 1: if you make a joke about that man, he gonna

2060
01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:11,479
Speaker 1: goanna fight you. So just leave it at that. He

2061
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:13,280
Speaker 1: gonna try to make sure you don't get to come

2062
01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:16,320
Speaker 1: back on the air if you say something about his hairline.

2063
01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:18,280
Speaker 1: So you just gotta eat it, you know what I mean.

2064
01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:22,200
Speaker 1: So I think you can't duplicated? Good for them, last

2065
01:44:22,439 --> 01:44:26,040
Speaker 1: Black Capitalism. Oh actually I got two more. I'm sorry.

2066
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:32,599
Speaker 1: The chosen Son Bronni James, who is Lebron james son? Okay, okay.

2067
01:44:33,479 --> 01:44:36,720
Speaker 1: He signs a name and license deal, which is what

2068
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:39,519
Speaker 1: the college kids college a's kids can sign. Now they

2069
01:44:39,560 --> 01:44:42,800
Speaker 1: can't get paid to play basketball, but they can't sign

2070
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:46,680
Speaker 1: name of license deal and stuff with Beasts by Dre

2071
01:44:48,320 --> 01:44:52,080
Speaker 1: And they have a new campaign where they play basketball

2072
01:44:52,120 --> 01:44:54,200
Speaker 1: each other with each other and go toe to toe

2073
01:44:55,040 --> 01:45:01,559
Speaker 1: like versus, like Lebron versus his own son means Lebron James.

2074
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:04,160
Speaker 1: It's oh, Joe, this man, yes, oh.

2075
01:45:04,120 --> 01:45:06,960
Speaker 5: Yes, long enough did he's chashed playing?

2076
01:45:08,160 --> 01:45:12,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's still good enough. It's still good enough

2077
01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:15,240
Speaker 1: that we're like I would watch this man play against

2078
01:45:15,240 --> 01:45:18,280
Speaker 1: his son, like this is crazy wow.

2079
01:45:19,120 --> 01:45:21,040
Speaker 3: Saying that there was there was some kind of fantasy

2080
01:45:21,120 --> 01:45:23,080
Speaker 3: deal where the two of them would go to a

2081
01:45:23,120 --> 01:45:26,040
Speaker 3: team together, that they would play together.

2082
01:45:26,439 --> 01:45:30,639
Speaker 1: That's Lebron's like promise that he now he just kind

2083
01:45:30,640 --> 01:45:32,280
Speaker 1: of set it off handily, So I don't know how

2084
01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:35,760
Speaker 1: sure like is like a he will fulfill this, but

2085
01:45:35,800 --> 01:45:40,160
Speaker 1: he said his dream is to play for wherever team

2086
01:45:40,479 --> 01:45:43,160
Speaker 1: drafts his son, so he wants his deal to be

2087
01:45:43,400 --> 01:45:46,400
Speaker 1: like up at the time that his son is eligible

2088
01:45:46,439 --> 01:45:48,640
Speaker 1: to be drafted. He wants to go play be the

2089
01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:53,439
Speaker 1: first ever father son duo on the NBA team, which

2090
01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:55,880
Speaker 1: I don't you know, no idea if that works out

2091
01:45:55,920 --> 01:45:57,639
Speaker 1: or any stuff. I think he's just out of EXTENTI

2092
01:45:57,680 --> 01:46:01,280
Speaker 1: with the Lakers, but it is a cool like concept

2093
01:46:02,120 --> 01:46:05,479
Speaker 1: to think that someone could play in the league that long.

2094
01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:10,160
Speaker 1: That's oh wow, what a that's my that's my guy. Okay,

2095
01:46:11,080 --> 01:46:16,320
Speaker 1: all right. Last one Jennifer Lewis. Yes, I knew Carol

2096
01:46:16,280 --> 01:46:19,680
Speaker 1: will say that Jennifer Lewis officially has her star on

2097
01:46:19,720 --> 01:46:22,360
Speaker 1: the Hollywood Walker Fame. Oh let's go yep.

2098
01:46:22,439 --> 01:46:24,960
Speaker 2: Oh, she just came out with a new book too.

2099
01:46:25,520 --> 01:46:28,960
Speaker 2: I'm listening to the word first.

2100
01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:32,440
Speaker 4: The first one I listened to was old, but these

2101
01:46:32,680 --> 01:46:34,000
Speaker 4: and it was it was new to me, but it

2102
01:46:34,040 --> 01:46:34,880
Speaker 4: was an older book.

2103
01:46:35,160 --> 01:46:37,519
Speaker 2: But she just came out with one that's like brand new,

2104
01:46:37,680 --> 01:46:38,240
Speaker 2: like this year.

2105
01:46:38,360 --> 01:46:41,320
Speaker 1: Well, I I have footage of her getting her her

2106
01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:44,400
Speaker 1: star and this I love this footage so much. H

2107
01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:46,240
Speaker 1: First of all, let me make sure you can hear it.

2108
01:46:46,240 --> 01:46:48,799
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna play a couple of seconds, and Lisa,

2109
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:53,840
Speaker 1: just let me know if you can hear this. So

2110
01:46:53,920 --> 01:46:56,400
Speaker 1: can you hear like the noise from the video? Okay, cool,

2111
01:46:56,479 --> 01:46:58,080
Speaker 1: all right, I'm playing the whole thing now. It's only

2112
01:46:58,080 --> 01:46:59,040
Speaker 1: about fifty seconds, so.

2113
01:47:02,360 --> 01:47:03,120
Speaker 2: Don't walk up.

2114
01:47:04,920 --> 01:47:08,280
Speaker 1: She's she's there's captures, but she's telling the people watching

2115
01:47:08,280 --> 01:47:12,280
Speaker 1: her sign her uh autograph. She said, vote, don't fuck up?

2116
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:17,519
Speaker 2: Yeah away.

2117
01:47:17,240 --> 01:47:21,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're taking away your rights, They're taking your whites

2118
01:47:21,080 --> 01:47:25,639
Speaker 1: away as you sleep. They are the motherfuckers. Don't care

2119
01:47:25,640 --> 01:47:28,200
Speaker 1: about you. You understand me. This is the black Just

2120
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:31,760
Speaker 1: like my mom getting a star of Walker fame. She

2121
01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:33,360
Speaker 1: was like, and while I got you.

2122
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:36,000
Speaker 5: All attention, yes, and another thing.

2123
01:47:36,160 --> 01:47:38,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I loved it. I just I love her and

2124
01:47:38,840 --> 01:47:41,280
Speaker 1: I love this. That is the blackest use of a

2125
01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:44,400
Speaker 1: of a Walk of fame. That Walker, the star of

2126
01:47:44,439 --> 01:47:46,640
Speaker 1: the Walker Fame of anybody.

2127
01:47:46,320 --> 01:47:47,400
Speaker 5: About using a platform.

2128
01:47:47,479 --> 01:47:50,679
Speaker 3: Remember when she's that beautiful song she was had, you know, yes,

2129
01:47:51,120 --> 01:47:52,960
Speaker 3: it was her with Brandy and I forgot the other

2130
01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:56,040
Speaker 3: women's they were singing, don't fuck with Me in these streets. Yes,

2131
01:47:57,360 --> 01:48:01,360
Speaker 3: and she did another one about get yours out and votes.

2132
01:48:01,640 --> 01:48:03,360
Speaker 5: Remember, like that was also.

2133
01:48:03,320 --> 01:48:06,080
Speaker 3: So like I think I really love how we are

2134
01:48:06,120 --> 01:48:11,879
Speaker 3: seeing black women fifty plus, you know, like doing things

2135
01:48:12,040 --> 01:48:16,160
Speaker 3: beautifully and amazingly. Like I think between with writing and

2136
01:48:16,320 --> 01:48:19,960
Speaker 3: Jennifer Lewis is flourishing. Actually K can set and can't

2137
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:22,680
Speaker 3: K set my work like the flourishing that is what

2138
01:48:22,760 --> 01:48:23,800
Speaker 3: I'm loving. Now.

2139
01:48:23,880 --> 01:48:26,800
Speaker 5: There's no timeline, no time limit, you know.

2140
01:48:27,280 --> 01:48:29,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, get raw she was raws from Amen that that

2141
01:48:29,880 --> 01:48:32,639
Speaker 3: third Woman and yeah, I just feel like this.

2142
01:48:32,720 --> 01:48:35,920
Speaker 5: Is just I don't know's it's our time.

2143
01:48:36,080 --> 01:48:39,200
Speaker 3: It's our time, and that we need to be able

2144
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:44,600
Speaker 3: and willing to extend the full reach of our black aliveness,

2145
01:48:45,120 --> 01:48:47,840
Speaker 3: you know, like that is where we need and that's

2146
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:50,640
Speaker 3: where all that's that and that is okay, that is

2147
01:48:50,680 --> 01:48:52,439
Speaker 3: what we need to do. That's what we can do,

2148
01:48:52,479 --> 01:48:55,560
Speaker 3: we should do, and we can do that without apology,

2149
01:48:55,640 --> 01:48:59,000
Speaker 3: without auditioning by that and that's why even like things

2150
01:48:59,080 --> 01:49:02,840
Speaker 3: like marginalized person or whatever. It's like the margins, the

2151
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:05,640
Speaker 3: mainstream is the one you are standing in.

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Speaker 5: Get to occupy the fullness of our lives at all times.

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Speaker 3: That is undebatable. That is a cardinal truth of just

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Speaker 3: being a human person. And so we just have to

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Speaker 3: keep reminding ourselves and each other of that and that,

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Speaker 3: you know, I just really love to see this as

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Speaker 3: well as I'm forgetting her name.

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Speaker 5: But she sang when.

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Speaker 3: She she works on Abbed Elementary, and she sang that song.

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Speaker 5: The Diane Reeves, you know what I mean. She won

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Speaker 5: She she plays the teacher.

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Speaker 3: Ralph Yes, Shirley Ralph Yes, and her role in you know,

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Speaker 3: getting this Emmy or Quintin you know, through Quinta's work

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Speaker 3: at Elementary. I don't know, it just feels so you know,

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Speaker 3: it's it's basically it's never too late and always it's

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Speaker 3: always now, it's always the right time, it's always the

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Speaker 3: right time.

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Speaker 1: We're not gonna be able to top that for the

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Speaker 1: last word or the show. I really feel like that's it, guys.

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Speaker 1: That was Professor Wolford. Thank you for coming through. Tell

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Speaker 1: everybody what to find so much. Thank you all, Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much.

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Speaker 3: You can find me at Black Women's Stitch on Instagram.

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Speaker 3: I'm also on Twitter, but I'm never there. I'm also

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Speaker 3: on TikTok, but also never there or basically also never there.

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Speaker 3: I am mostly on Instagram and not the name of

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Speaker 3: our podcast. My podcast is called Stitch Please, and we

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Speaker 3: center black women, girls and fems and sewing. We work weekly,

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Speaker 3: so a weekly show. I've been going every week without

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Speaker 3: stop since September of twenty nineteen. Shout out to Tea

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Speaker 3: with Queen and Jay, which was like the first podcast

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Speaker 3: I think I had.

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Speaker 5: Ever heard, and they have been my podcast.

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Speaker 3: Mentors and models, and I've been able to talk to

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Speaker 3: them in real life and had them talk to my students,

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Speaker 3: and so I just always give them a shout out

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Speaker 3: for letting me know what the podcast possibility is. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I thank you both, and you both I thank you

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Speaker 3: both for being possibility models.

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Speaker 5: I really appreciate your energy.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate like the the robustness of your platform, and

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Speaker 3: I really do appreciate how you teach people how to

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Speaker 3: treat you. Because boundaries are not for other people. Boundaries

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Speaker 3: are for us, up to us to maintain them. And

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Speaker 3: so when you when you tell people, do not send

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Speaker 3: me a twelve paragraph email. I love that and for

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Speaker 3: real Rock, because Rock I can.

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Speaker 5: Be long winded.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, Lisa, don't send this man, this person.

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Speaker 5: He is not your student. I'm a lot interested, like

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Speaker 5: just just say you know. And y'all should have seen me.

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Speaker 3: Y'all should have seen my big and asked email I sent,

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Speaker 3: please please, I.

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Speaker 5: Want to be on you does your does your?

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Speaker 2: Does your?

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Speaker 3: Does the Game of Thrones episode? Y'all gonna have guests,

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Speaker 3: I volunteers tribute.

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Speaker 2: I want to be on.

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Speaker 5: I want to be And they were so they were

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Speaker 5: so gracious.

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Speaker 3: This is a real honor and I can't wait to

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Speaker 3: tell everybody and I have that I've been on your podcast.

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Speaker 1: Thank you man, this is so fun. Definitely appreciate you

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Speaker 1: coming on. Obviously, we love TV with Queen and j

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Speaker 1: and uh yeah. I saw the consistency with your podcast

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Speaker 1: at like clockwork every week. I was like, that's dedication,

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Speaker 1: that's uh like, that's the hardest part of all this stuff,

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Speaker 1: like to be consistent, yeah, and like to be able

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Speaker 1: to tackle one topic but to take it so many

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Speaker 1: different places. So make sure y'all check her out. I

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Speaker 1: see people already chat room like you got a fan.

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Speaker 1: Uh and I see. Also, you're not really on social

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Speaker 1: media like that, which explains the skin so recognized games. See,

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Speaker 1: you're not all stressed out because you be seeing what

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Speaker 1: the people saying.

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Speaker 2: In the real world.

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Speaker 1: Listen, okay, okay, Twitter had them, I'm starting to get them. Okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, we'll be back tomorrow with our Game of

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Speaker 1: Thrones recap, and until then, I love you. I love

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Speaker 1: you to