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Speaker 1: Wanning. Today's episode contains spoilers for the smash hit animated

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Speaker 1: movie on Netflix, K Pop Demon Hunters, So if you

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Speaker 1: haven't watched it, go watch it because it's amazing, or

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Speaker 1: listen to this and then realize how amazing it is

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Speaker 1: and go watch it. Hello, my name is Rosie Knight,

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Speaker 1: and welcome back to X ray Vision, the podcast where

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Speaker 1: today's episode, I am joined by two of the most

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Speaker 1: super of our super producers, Joelle and our And to

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Speaker 1: discuss the surprise animated smash of the summer K Pop

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Speaker 1: Demon Hunters. We're gonna recap the movie quickly, then Aaron

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Speaker 1: Demon Hunter's chart topping music, featuring a custom playlist of

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Speaker 1: a live podcast recording. But first let's talk about K

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Speaker 1: pop Demon Hunters. Okay, Aaron and Joel, welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very excited to go into some of the

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Speaker 2: best music to come out of film in a long time.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, yes, Aaron, let's talk. Let's start with you,

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Speaker 1: how did you hear about K pop Demon Hunters? Because

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Speaker 1: You were the one who saw it first.

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Speaker 2: So I think, as someone who is Chinese, I am

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Speaker 2: it's animated, it's about K pop stars. No shortage of

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Speaker 2: So I watched it that opening weekend, and I think

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Speaker 2: The Tiger and the Magpie. That I was just like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I need to be in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So the movie was released on June twentieth, twenty

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Speaker 1: and starring Ardentchoa's Roomy, Mayhong's Mirror, and Jijong Zhou as Zoe.

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Speaker 1: And they are three K pop superstars who are part

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Speaker 1: and also, as we have seen, have gone on to

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Speaker 4: Who do I have to kill? This movie's everything to me,

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Speaker 1: Okay, Aaron, you have to watch. There was this really

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Speaker 2: Here's here's the kid who always rips the shirt off

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Speaker 4: Isn't that a boyfriend?

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Speaker 1: Isn't that what four year old hot boyfriend? Boyfriend?

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Speaker 1: Hundred year old hot boyfriend who has been up with demons.

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Speaker 4: Yes, or reveal your secret? Can we talk?

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Speaker 1: We're back, Joel, talk about it. Gush, gush, gush.

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Speaker 2: this is up there. I think with Disney animated pieces

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Speaker 2: of question like this is this is very.

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Speaker 1: High Ironically, I actually yeah, I think you make a

436
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,119
Speaker 1: great point because I think that one of the biggest

437
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 1: struggles all animated movies have had is living up to

438
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Speaker 1: your say Beauty and the Beast or your Little Mermaid

439
00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 1: or You're a Laddin, where you just have these absolute

440
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: banger songs that become part of the cultural lexicon. The

441
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 1: thing is, if you listen and I do as you

442
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: will know I listened to a lot of Disney music.

443
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: I listened to a lot of musicals. I listened to

444
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Speaker 1: a lot of Wicked. If you put that on the

445
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 1: car in the Orcs with the wrong person, someone's gonna

446
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: be like, oh, not musical music. It's not Disney song.

447
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,199
Speaker 1: You want to listen to a whole new world. But

448
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: you know what, if you want to listen to any

449
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 1: song from this, people are going to be like, that's

450
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Speaker 1: a banger. And I think that has set a new

451
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Speaker 1: stage because spite of us didn't have original songs, we

452
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: haven't dream works. Basically just was like, we're not going

453
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 1: to do that and did needle drops with Shrek and stuff.

454
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: So in that way, Aaron, you bring up a great point.

455
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 1: This is a true competitor and maybe a new kind

456
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: of watermark for what people are going to expect from

457
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Speaker 1: animated musical films. And we get, you know, this big

458
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: performance of Golden to kind of perfor to promote this

459
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 1: idea of everyone coming together at the awards. When the

460
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: Sogat Boys don't turn up obviously, we get this big,

461
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 1: big imposter demon fight they split roomy up, and then

462
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: you know, we get that performance of Takedown, which is

463
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: so incredible, and we see the reveal and it feels like,

464
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 1: you know, that ultimate heartbreak moment that you can't come

465
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 1: back from, and I think it's kind of incredible again

466
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: to be able to bring that to life in an

467
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 1: animated movie. This is not like your minor conflict, Like

468
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: this is a heartbreaking thing like Gino Trickter he lied

469
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: about his past. She has to go up there and

470
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: reveal who she truly is. Like it's so so well done,

471
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: and again, as you say, you're all so k drama.

472
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Speaker 1: One of my favorite rewatch K dramas is Cinderella and

473
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Speaker 1: Four Nights, which is one of my favorite tropes, which

474
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: is a broke girl who meets a billionaire and then

475
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: has to move in with him and his four billionaire car,

476
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: you know, and she does date basically all of them,

477
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,479
Speaker 1: but then in that final watch is one you know,

478
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: and then you have to choose at the end. But

479
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: I remember when the conflict of that show happened, it

480
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 1: hit me so deeply because I was just rooting for

481
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: her and rooting for this other guy who is also poor,

482
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 1: who had found out he's a cousin by his you know,

483
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,719
Speaker 1: illicit dad, and he wasn't used to being rich. But

484
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 1: that was the thought. I was like, Oh, these shows

485
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 1: managed to hit in a way emotionally that a lot

486
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Speaker 1: of like American prestige TV doesn't even interested in exploring,

487
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: you know, they want to make you feel bummed out,

488
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Speaker 1: but they don't want you to.

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Speaker 3: About your set pieces, which I think American prestige TV

490
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 3: is either extremely dialogue theater focused or big flashy set

491
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Speaker 3: piece is on like a cinematic scale focus that sort

492
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 3: of has been if you think about our broadcast TV. Yeah,

493
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 3: broadcast TV days like in order to be good TV.

494
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 3: You just had to have good dialogue writing. When we

495
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 3: got to our streaming and our big you know, our

496
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 3: hbos H spaces, then yes, then we could we could

497
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 3: move into the cinematic giant action pieces, and so that

498
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,480
Speaker 3: became a thing. And so with I think K dramas specifically,

499
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 3: because these studios are churning out so many at such

500
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 3: a fast rate, what you really have to do is

501
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 3: like sink into the characters because also you're doing many,

502
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Speaker 3: many episodes, and.

503
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Speaker 1: The cost is often much lower than an American dege.

504
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Speaker 4: We don't have time, gotta go.

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Speaker 1: Also, something they don't really talk you know, that hasn't

506
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: really been talked about, but I talk about a lot

507
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 1: is like so many K dramas are adapted from comic books,

508
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: online webtoons by women. So I also think it is

509
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 1: like a completely different perspective on what entertainment can and

510
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: should be. And I think they translate that here really

511
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: well by adding relationships that you root for, characters that

512
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Speaker 1: you care about, and also allowing characters who have secrets

513
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: to redeem themselves and to be honest and to find happiness.

514
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: And that is essentially like we we get there's the

515
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Speaker 1: demon Gemar, he comes back, he puts everyone in an

516
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: evil trance. We have to see the Serja Boys final performance,

517
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: which is gonna you know, destroy the horn Moon, but

518
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: of course that doesn't happen because Rumy interrupts the performance

519
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 1: and does this song about like it's about like shame

520
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: and fear and honesty and pain and what it feels

521
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: like to keep a secret. And I also loved the

522
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Speaker 1: show the kind of confrontation between Rumy and Selene, because

523
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 1: early on I had assumed that Selene was like part

524
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: of the villainous story just because of the way they

525
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: were playing out cool and so she's so cool, and

526
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: also the fact that she wanted me to keep it

527
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: a secret her demon marks rather than just embracing her.

528
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: And I thought that there was something very real about

529
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: the writing and that scene where they have the showdown

530
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: between the two of them and really like Selena is

531
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: still trying to protect Rumy and be like, I can

532
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: cover this up for you, but she doesn't understand that

533
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: that is not what Rumy wants. So you know, that

534
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: just feels like a novel.

535
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 3: Which is so excited for the sequel to be, like

536
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 3: who is the father?

537
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 4: Please, let's mort demon daddy.

538
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: I need to know the demon daddy.

539
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 3: And I love the idea of like, hey, I understand

540
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 3: that you love me, but if you don't love all

541
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 3: of me, this does not work for us.

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00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 4: I thought that was.

543
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 3: Really beautiful and for her to immediately go from that

544
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 3: to like, this is the sound of my truth to

545
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 3: her friend.

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00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 4: This is my favorite part of any musical. It's like

547
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 4: all the.

548
00:29:55,680 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 3: Voices are joining yes, yes, yes, you're going like that incredible.

549
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Speaker 1: I talk a lot about in my opinion because of

550
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: how great the music is and because of the story

551
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: the very underrated Disney movie Wish, but I would also say,

552
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: like visually compared to this, that it makes Wish look

553
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 1: really awful. They made some interesting choices with like rotoscoping,

554
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 1: but it does have one of my all time favorites.

555
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: And I thought about this at the end where it's

556
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: there's a great song, it's Ariana debos is that play

557
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: is the main character, and she has this great song

558
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 1: about the wish, which is the big kind of like

559
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: oh I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna go on my

560
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: own way, and it's about this idea that she makes

561
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: this wish for her community to be able to have

562
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: control over their own dreams. And it's so great, It's

563
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: so brilliantly written. I love it. And the final song

564
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: is the entire village comes together and sings the song,

565
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: and like, just thinking about it is giving me goosebumps.

566
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 1: But I have often found that in recent years it

567
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 1: is a compromise if you get great songs or you

568
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: get you know, Frozen two, a movie that loads of

569
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: people love that had really great songs, but you had

570
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: the storyline is very complicated and honestly pretty problematic, And

571
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: there's always seems to be this kind of trade off

572
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: in modern animation because they have to make the audiences

573
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: like they think it's for young kids, but they want

574
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: to have songs that people like. And this feels like

575
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: somehow they manage to create something where the quality of

576
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: the storytelling and animation is as high as the quality

577
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: of the stories, and that all of those pieces work together.

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00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: And I think that also as well. Something you know,

579
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: I'm guessing that this is the people who made this

580
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: movie obviously read a lot of fanfic and watch a

581
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: lot of movies, and the way that Ginu like sacrifices

582
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: himself ultimately and then basically becomes one with Rumy and

583
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: that's how she is saved. Is like so ultimately romantic

584
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: and just like yeah, a total kind of incredible situation.

585
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: And also I like that it also gives us kind

586
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: of like a romance doesn't save the day kind of

587
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: ending to where at the end she is just chilling

588
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: her marked with her friends and the boy is gone,

589
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: Like that was great love that put you're a stored

590
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: soul in me. But now it's just me and my

591
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: crew and we're gonna go see our fans. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean that is a K Pop Demon Hunter as

593
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: the recap, and it is such a fantastic movie. It's

594
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: hard to tell you, guys even how great it is

595
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: by our conversation, but make sure that you go watch

596
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: it on Netflix. And then when we've come back, Aaron

597
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 1: is going to talk to us about the music of

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00:32:44,040 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: K Pop Demon Hunters. And we're back. Am we ready

599
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: to unleash Aaron the talented musician and super producer onto

600
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: your airwaves to tell you everything you need to know

601
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Speaker 1: about this incredible soundtrack.

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Speaker 2: So I thought it was important to talk about some

603
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 2: of the backgrounds of the music as well as the

604
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 2: voices because the singing voices were very intentionally chosen for

605
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 2: each of the three leads, as well as for the

606
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 2: Saga boys. But I think, you know, we talked, we

607
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 2: mentioned some other musicals, whether they be sort of stage

608
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: musicals like Wicked, whether it be something like Disney movie.

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00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 2: A lot of times those kind of musicals, the music

610
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 2: is written by one or two people. It's someone doing

611
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 2: the libretto. You know, it's a small group. One of

612
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 2: the things that I thought was amazing about this they

613
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 2: treated this like a Rayana album. So this has been

614
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 2: in production for three years. And Ian Eisendraft, who was

615
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: the executive music producer. He conducted, arranged, he was a

616
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: vocal producer. He worked closely with the Black Label, which

617
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 2: is a South Korean record label. So they had teams

618
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 2: of people working on each song.

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Speaker 1: For each scene that.

620
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: Had a they would create five, six, seven different tracks

621
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: and try to figure out which one fit the story best.

622
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 2: So there are multiple interviews with the cast or the

623
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 2: writers talking about like, oh yeah, Golden, this was the

624
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: fifth thing that we came up with here and one

625
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: this happened to be perfect, and so this worked. And

626
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 2: then as we were recording it, you would do a verse,

627
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 2: write the verse, record the verse, send it to the team,

628
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 2: the producers and director. They would okay, like, yes, this

629
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 2: verse hits the story beat what we want?

630
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, do.

631
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 2: The next verse and then do the bridge separately. And

632
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 2: so it was a very much like collaborative thing across

633
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 2: different countries, different writers all around. And that's typically how

634
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 2: pop albums are written. So you'll have someone a producer

635
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 2: will make a track, someone else will do the top

636
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 2: line and they will which is the melody and the

637
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 2: lyrics typically, and then someone else may come in and

638
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 2: add to the top line. Someone else may come in

639
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,479
Speaker 2: and change up the production of the track itself, keeping

640
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 2: the other top line. So that's exactly how they went

641
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: about writing this, and they got like real true K

642
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 2: pop writers and performers. The K pop band Twice came

643
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: into this and it was like, we love these songs.

644
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 2: They did their own version of Takedown that plays in

645
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 2: the credits, and then they also did Strategy, which plays

646
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 2: in the you know, I'm going to say iconic, maybe

647
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 2: a little bit dedation.

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Speaker 1: Panic already, I think it's okay to say that.

649
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 2: But the iconic scene of her walking into her closet

650
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Speaker 2: and you see the rows and rose of outfits and

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Speaker 2: that's there. They're playing a twice song in there I have.

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Speaker 1: I was so just excited and happy to see like

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Speaker 1: somebody with lots of clothes. I have so many clothes, guys,

654
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 1: like it's it's it's my vice. I love charity shops,

655
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: I love thrift stores. I'm always putting together a look.

656
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Speaker 1: And I loved I love a good closet scene, very clueless,

657
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Speaker 1: Yeah where you go? And I thought that was so brilliant. Also, Aaron,

658
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Speaker 1: something I had read was that they actually knocked twice

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Speaker 1: off of the Spotify number one with Golden and with

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Speaker 1: the the girls from the from Hunt Trix, which I

661
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: thought was also like, that's kind of incredible.

662
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 2: I mean they they like surpassed bts. I mean they've

663
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 2: they've they're they're going through the K pop stars. And

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Speaker 2: so now for the playlist part, I'm gonna go through

665
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Speaker 2: different voices and give you a song recommendation to go

666
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: check them out. So the singing voices for Hunter Tricks.

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Speaker 2: For Mira, it was Audrey Nuda, who's an R and

668
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: B singer and rapper. She just recently put out a

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Speaker 2: song called too High, which feels very moody, drugged out,

670
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 2: R and B. I mean, this is, like I said,

671
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 2: this is like looking out the window from of a

672
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:44,280
Speaker 2: neon city from a crowded party, potentially in Hunters's apartment

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Speaker 2: there they're loft.

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Speaker 4: Her.

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Speaker 2: My favorite song of hers is Mine, which samples Brandy

676
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 2: and Monica's The Boy is Mine. So depending on whether

677
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: or not you are nostalgic for that nineties hit, the

678
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: song is incredible and it while I don't think it

679
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: would be a HUNTERX song, this is definitely something they

680
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: would play at a party going on in their own

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Speaker 2: So check out Audrey.

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Speaker 3: I also recommend Damn Right by Audrey, which is a

683
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Speaker 3: jam that's been on my playlist for years and when

684
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: I saw her name, I was like, no, no, it

685
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 3: was just like, it's very vindicated, it's so fun. It's

686
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,960
Speaker 3: very like edgy and aggressive, and I like it a lot.

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Speaker 3: I think we're to listen to.

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Speaker 1: And I'm also going to say I am gonna officially

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Speaker 1: take the duty of making an x ray Vision Spotify

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Speaker 1: account and making a playlist of this beau.

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Speaker 2: I have this playlist.

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Speaker 1: Description. Okay, thank you. I don't even need to do it,

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Speaker 1: because I was going to say we have had people

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Speaker 1: when Arrows talked about music before asking us to make

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Speaker 1: playlists to set that up. And obviously, Joel, your very

696
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Speaker 1: viral superman in a views with Den of Geek. Have

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00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: been getting a lot of comments on our page asking

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Speaker 1: us to make the playlist that the cast gave us.

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Speaker 1: So I think this is a wonderful first start, and Aaron,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you doing that. What's your next recommendation? So next?

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Speaker 2: Always singing and rapping voice is by Ray Ami and

702
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 2: Ray is another R and B singer rapper. She is

703
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 2: known for having an incredibly aggressive rap style and then

704
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 2: very melodic singing hooks, and she does them within the

705
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 2: same song. It will alternate from one to the other.

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Speaker 2: She'll start off the first half is heavy rapping and

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Speaker 2: then it goes to this like soft singing section. My

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00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: favorite song of hers is her breakout single snow Cone.

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00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 2: Check out the song, check out the video which she

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Speaker 2: recorded like on her phone for one hundred dollars. But

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Speaker 2: I would say, if you are a parent and your

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00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 2: little children love K pop demon hunters, just test these

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00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 2: songs ahead of time. They do it.

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Speaker 1: This is a parental approval first, yes, check check on

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Speaker 1: them first.

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Speaker 2: But ray Amy's Spotify bio is Hello Kitty with a Knife,

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00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 2: which is honestly perfect for her sound.

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Speaker 1: I'm about to go get a tattoo and now I'm like,

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Speaker 1: maybe that's why I'm gonna gaes. I'm like, you're killing me.

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Speaker 1: That's a great, great line.

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Speaker 2: RuMIS vocal performer was EJ and EJ is a songwriter

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Speaker 2: and producer, but she herself was a former K pop

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Speaker 2: trainey so K pop has just like so many training

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00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 2: programs for people to be K pop stars. EJ has

725
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 2: gone through that. She was at SNSM Entertainment for ten

726
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 2: years the biggest YEP was unable to break out and

727
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 2: she met with another producer who got her writing on something.

728
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Speaker 2: He just wanted her to like test something a track

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Speaker 2: for her. Through that, she met Andrew Choi, who is

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Speaker 2: the voice of Genu, and he started to teach her

731
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Speaker 2: and they were writing together and he got her writing

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Speaker 2: with Red Velvet kpop group and she wrote the song

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Speaker 2: Psycho as well as a number of others. She wound

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Speaker 2: up getting on the writing team for K Pop Demon

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Speaker 2: Hunters and wrote a number of the demos and sang

736
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Speaker 2: on the demos and Maggie Kane the director was praising

737
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Speaker 2: her demo vocals and said, like, this is the reason

738
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Speaker 2: this movie got Greenlitz, because your demo vocals were so good.

739
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Speaker 2: And then they eventually came back to her and we're like,

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Speaker 2: we want you to be the official voice. Yeah, just

741
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 2: for one of the characters, but the lead character. So

742
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: she wound up being the being Rumy's voice. And she

743
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 2: has written a bunch of stuff for other artists, including Twice,

744
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Speaker 2: who we talked about earlier. But the two songs for

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Speaker 2: the playlist that I want to suggest for her are

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Speaker 2: Armageddon by Espa, which features like this really grimy grinding

747
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 2: verse and then like a huge bubblegum pre chorus that

748
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 2: goes right back into this like grimy chorus. And then

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Speaker 2: the second one is Last Waltz by Twice, which it

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00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 2: feels like it would fit right at home on a

751
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 2: Hunterricks album, and it is incredibly catchy and has these

752
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Speaker 2: really dramatic, like theatrical builds. You can tell like this

753
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Speaker 2: is her writing evolving from those songs from a couple

754
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Speaker 2: of years ago into the Huntrix songs. And now the

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Speaker 2: next set of things for the playlist, I'm not giving

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Speaker 2: like basic K pop things. I think there are much

757
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 2: people who are much better at Fantastic. If you are

758
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 2: unfamiliar with K pop, this movie is a great intro.

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00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: There are plenty of things you can go out there.

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00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: Listen to bts, listen to new genes, listen to you know,

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Speaker 2: like XG, whatever band hits you. But now I want

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Speaker 2: to go through some of my favorite fictional boy group,

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Speaker 2: boy bands and girl groups. So first of all, obviously

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Speaker 2: we have Huntricks doing Golden. I think that's the perfect number.

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Speaker 1: One million streams on Spotify.

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Speaker 2: Second, Saja Boys, your idol. I think soda pop is good.

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00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 2: I think your idol is great. So we're gonna have

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Speaker 2: that there, and the charts agree. The charts agree. Next,

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Speaker 2: we're going to go to a twenty twenty one Korean

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Speaker 2: series called Imitation, which is about Korean idols, and this

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Speaker 2: has a young girl group named Tea Party, a little

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Speaker 2: unfortunate given in America, but outside outside and this there's

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00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 2: a the lead in Tea Party falls in love with

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00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: a member of the boy band Shacks, and two songs

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00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: from that show. One is shown Me by Tea Party,

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00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 2: which is like hyper pop, chibby act Sense and everything

777
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 2: like very very K pop and then Mallow by Shacks

778
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: is like a super slick, well produced pop song, very upbeat.

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00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 2: The next one I want to focus on is Idle

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Speaker 2: the Coup, another Korean show following K pop groups. This

781
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,520
Speaker 2: is following Cotton Candy, who's a failed K pop group

782
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 2: who are on the brink of disbanding. They're going to

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00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 2: try one last time to make it by you can

784
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Speaker 2: guess getting the number one slot on an idol show.

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00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 2: Just like in K pop Demon Hunters, they have a

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00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 2: bunch of like the cast members were also members of

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Speaker 2: established K pop groups like xID and so two of

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Speaker 2: the Cotton Candy songs that I really love first is Honest,

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00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 2: which has an enormous chorus. I love it. It's like

790
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: this straight eighths to a triplet feel on the chorus,

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00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 2: and it is such a good hit when that chorus

792
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 2: comes in. And then second is We Rise, which is

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00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 2: like quintessential twenty tens pop. You have big synth, stabby verses,

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00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: and then you have like this dirtiest fuck edm hook

795
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 2: in there. So it just it hits that kind of pop.

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Speaker 2: The next famous, maybe not famous, but favorite fictional boy

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00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 2: band from Bob's Burgers. We have Boys for Now singing

798
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: coal Mine my favorite of the Boys for Now songs.

799
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 2: They have many songs about a variety of things, coal

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Speaker 2: Mine is my favorite. Now, I will say Boys for

801
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 2: Now is deservedly so. The worst singers on this list

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00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 2: one hundred percent, as you can tell by the massive

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00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 2: amounts of auto tune that are just messily used, especially

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00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 2: on the young the young one I forget what his

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00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 2: name is, bo Bobo or whatever, and then the last

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00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 2: one boo boo, boo boo. And then lastly from Turning Red,

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00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 2: we have for Town singing Nobody Like You, No You,

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00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 2: a song that is incredible, and partly is incredible because

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00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 2: it was written by Phineas and Billie Eilish. So when

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00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: you get these like successful great songwriters to write you

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Speaker 2: great songs, I think that's awesome. And then an honorable

812
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 2: mention it doesn't fit because they play instruments and they

813
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 2: are not technically a boy band or a girl group.

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00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 2: But from Doug the Beats singing Killer Tofu, it's not

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Speaker 2: on the playlist because it doesn't really count, but I

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00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 2: just wanted to just wanted to call that out.

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Speaker 3: And I know if we were not counting bands that

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Speaker 3: play instruments. But I just think Carolin Tuesday with the

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Speaker 3: Netflix you know, partnership here Loneliest Girls so good. It

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Speaker 3: does have sixteen point eight these dreams on Spotify. I

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Speaker 3: dig Carolyn Tuesday a lot, have rewatched multiple times.

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Speaker 1: Good and he is by you know, one of the

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Speaker 1: greatest anime directs of all time. You make Cowboy Bebop.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll a joy.

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Speaker 2: So we'll put all those songs and artists and titles

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Speaker 2: in the description, as well as a link to a

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Speaker 2: Spotify playlist if you want to listen, get a little

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Speaker 2: bit of you know, fictional boy band girl groups in

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Speaker 2: your life.

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Speaker 1: Love that all right?

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Speaker 3: To take break and we're we come back. We're gonna

832
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 3: talk Sony Animation and I'll give you a little rundown

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Speaker 3: of its history and we're back.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So, guys, Joel has prepared an unbelievable history of

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Speaker 1: Sony Animation's first twenty years thanks to some really great

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Speaker 1: reporting from Drew Taylor at The Wrap, and Joelle is

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Speaker 1: gonna speed us through twenty years of Sony history.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 3: So here's what you really need to know, really early

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Speaker 3: on in the creation of Sony Animation, which is only

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00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 3: twenty years old, if you can believe it. Chris Miller

842
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 3: and Phil Lord, the geniuses are babies. They don't know

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00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 3: how to make a movie, and they don't know how

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Speaker 3: to navigate a studio space, which is fine because Sony

845
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 3: Pictures animation is new and they don't have no rules here.

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00:45:57,680 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 4: They don't know what they're looking for.

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00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 3: They don't know what a Sony animated picture looks like.

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00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 3: It's never been done before, and so it kind of

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00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 3: works for them. So they're coming off of Clone High

850
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 3: with a friend of the pod, Bill Lawrence's show that

851
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 3: was on MTV really successful, and they come in for

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00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 3: a pitch meeting and they they're throwing things at them.

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00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 3: They're like, what about this? So what about this? We

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00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 3: don't really know about any of these things. And then

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00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 3: they're like, we do have Cloudy with the Chance Meatballs,

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00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 3: And these two guys who did not spend their childhoods

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00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 3: together both loved this book in their youth, and they

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00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 3: were like, we could maybe do something with like that. Possibly.

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00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 3: They're like, come in tomorrow and pitch us. They said, what,

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Speaker 3: I came in the day after tomorrow, which is smart.

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00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 3: So they they pulled an all nighter they come back

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00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 3: in and they pitch it. Now, here's something really funny

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Speaker 3: to me. They get greenlit three separate times, no cancelations

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Speaker 3: in between, so you could tell things are very chaotic

865
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Speaker 3: in the background. They almost get the boot a couple

866
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 3: of times. No one's really They're like muppets and animation.

867
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 3: Everybody's doing hyperrealism in animation at this time, and so

868
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 3: the studio was confused by their messaging. But eventually they

869
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 3: spend so much money on this film, studio is like,

870
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 3: it is actually going to be more expensive to cancel

871
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 3: you than to just let you finish, And unlike some

872
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 3: spaces where they might you know, hover over you and

873
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 3: be really uptight about, they were like, just do it

874
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 3: your own way, because again we are trying to figure

875
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 3: out what we should look like. So they finish and voila.

876
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Speaker 3: It's a huge success. And part of that huge success

877
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 3: is because we're also coming off of the first two

878
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 3: animated films that Sony Animation did.

879
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: Which was Open Season, Thank You.

880
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 3: Surfs Up Yes, So those have two very different distinct looks.

881
00:47:34,120 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 4: So the studio was like.

882
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,959
Speaker 3: Okay, fine, do you It's great.

883
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 4: Okay.

884
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 3: So a few years pass and they're really not sure

885
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 3: like what direction they're going. And they're working on Hotel Transylvania,

886
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 3: which is another one of the.

887
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 4: First scripts they got.

888
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 3: Early five directors have come and gone. It's a hot mess.

889
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,680
Speaker 3: And then Jenny Tartakovski walks in. Okay, Now Jendy is

890
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 3: coming off of Dexter's lab, his dozmer Jack. People really

891
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 3: of him, but his stuff is edgy. He pitches a

892
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 3: movie called Fixed. It's an R rated romance that is animated.

893
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 3: They're like, we don't really know what to do with that,

894
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 3: but and it's.

895
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Speaker 1: A dog romance.

896
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 4: It's a dog they are dogs.

897
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 3: They're definitely sure what to do with that. But they

898
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 3: have this project and they need a new director. And

899
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 3: so Jendy looks at the art and he's like, I

900
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 3: could probably make that work because Bay the next day

901
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 3: he said he had so many ideas he's popped it off. Okay, wow,

902
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 3: six director locked in. That movie comes out makes billions.

903
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: Million. They got four feature films. An animated was actually

904
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Speaker 1: written and produced by Tatowski, who returned. I know from

905
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: having many nieces and nephews. Boy, those movies they love them.

906
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: They had video games, theme Bark Attractions, and yeah, it's

907
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: a one point three billion dollar franchise now, so.

908
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 3: It's another huge hit. But then of course we come

909
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 3: to Spider Man into the Spider Verse. Lord and Miller

910
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 3: are back. That movie breaks a bunch, and really what

911
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 3: breaks that movie open is so there's Sony Pictures Animation

912
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 3: and then there's Sony Interactive Pictures, I think, and that's

913
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 3: their like a visual effects team.

914
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 4: They started a long.

915
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 3: Time ago on a forgotten project that Bruce Wilson was

916
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 3: working on where he was like a cop who works

917
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 3: on a boat, don't ask. And so then when Sony

918
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 3: Pictures Animated Pictures comes along, they're like, hey, you should

919
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 3: work with our visual effects guys. And that is not

920
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 3: worlds that typically overlap. It is very controversial, both in

921
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,439
Speaker 3: house and out of house, but it kind of works

922
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 3: because if you think about the very distinct imaging and

923
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 3: Spider Man, particularly the brushstrokes on the background, which again

924
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 3: if you're not into animation you might miss almost but

925
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 3: it's really intricate, difficult work to make a painted brushstroke

926
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 3: look like part of a background as a camera is

927
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 3: moving across it. It's a lot, but they do it successfully,

928
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 3: and that is why we have a lot of very

929
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 3: distinct looking sony animation pictures right now because they partnered

930
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 3: with their in house visual effects team, and because it's

931
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 3: all in house, they don't have to like go outside

932
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 3: and get approval for things somebody's worried about image. It's

933
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 3: all one team working in the same direction, which we love.

934
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 3: So then we have the Mitchell's Versus Machines comes out

935
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Speaker 3: not long after into the Spider Verse in.

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Speaker 1: Netflicker Netflix smash. Also, I will say very much that

937
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: first movie where we all went, oh, it looks like

938
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: Spider of Us. Yeah, Spider of Us set up that thing.

939
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Speaker 1: And then with Mitchell's The Machines, you're getting the experiments,

940
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:29,720
Speaker 1: you're getting those different kind of looks. Another massive smash

941
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: for Netflix that I don't necessarily know was expected.

942
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,880
Speaker 2: It's kind of a mix of two D three D

943
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 2: animation that really hits.

944
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely yeah, and it'll be interesting going forward.

945
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 3: This article was written in twenty twenty three, and a

946
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 3: thing that keeps coming up is all the executives saying like,

947
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,439
Speaker 3: we don't have a distinct look and that's what makes

948
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 3: us special. But if you look at into Spider Verse

949
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 3: and then the teenage Mutant in Eternals movie and then

950
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 3: K Pop Demon Hunters. You're starting to see strong similarities,

951
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 3: like your style has developed. Now that's not a negative

952
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 3: thing necessary, but it is going to sort of challenge

953
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 3: him and put them into a space of like defined

954
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 3: rules where they haven't operated before. I think the hope

955
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 3: is that they'll continue to focus and work with like

956
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 3: independent great storytellers, which they say is still at the forefront,

957
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of good ones. We have Matthew A.

958
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 3: Cherry who did the hair Love short that was nominated

959
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,959
Speaker 3: for an Oscar. He's got a movie called Tuck coming out.

960
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 3: Then there's Agent King, which is like an adult animated

961
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 3: series about Elvis as a CIA agent. He has a

962
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 3: monkey that does cocaine. What's that about, don't really know.

963
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 3: And then Goat which looks really good. Kayleb McLaughlin is

964
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 3: in it. He plays the lead of an actual goat

965
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,759
Speaker 3: who's trying to like become dominant at a sport, which

966
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 3: is really exciting. And then they're working on Spider Verse.

967
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 3: A lot of folks were nervous when K Pop Demon

968
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 3: Hunters came out because they were like, oh no, that's the.

969
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 4: Big animation project.

970
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 3: You should be working on. Please redirect your attention to

971
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 3: Spider Man. We need a finale. I say we've gotten

972
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 3: to cozy with these quick turnarounds on movie and TV shows.

973
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 3: Hold your horses, let them make it good, let them

974
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Speaker 3: get it right. We've been blown away every time. I'm

975
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,319
Speaker 3: happy to wait, and I'm excited that we're getting great

976
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 3: shows like K Pop Demon Hunter in between.

977
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 2: You know, I hate to have a hot take, as

978
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 2: I never do on this show.

979
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,879
Speaker 1: Spicy, spicy take, we love it.

980
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 2: I think Spider Verse needs to have better costumes after

981
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 2: seeing this, Like just seeing the outfits of K Pop

982
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 2: Demon Hunters, I'm just like.

983
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: I like that Spider Man outfit is so boring.

984
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 2: Now give me something better.

985
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: I love Spider Man. I love Spider Man and as.

986
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 3: Much as you love Hunt Tans, Gwen Stacy, I am

987
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:48,720
Speaker 3: the Spider Man costume and Spider Punk in his dope jacket.

988
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 4: Listen. Costs are hitting.

989
00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: But I would I got my little Spider Punk a figure,

990
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,439
Speaker 1: but I would like him to have a little bit

991
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: more of a k But yes, Sony animation, that kill it.

992
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: Baby Disney's got to be keeping up, I think is

993
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 1: the feeling right now? Now?

994
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 3: I think everybody's nervous and with the Netflix deal and

995
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 3: their ability to reach so many households instantly, yeah, they're dominating.

996
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: Coming up on X ray Vision this weekend, we have

997
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Speaker 1: two episodes, one focusing on all the exciting trailers that

998
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: came out this week there are a ton and Sunday

999
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Speaker 1: we'll have news and an interview with Ari Esta, the

1000
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: director of Eddington, and that is the episode. Aaron and Joel,

1001
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Speaker 1: thank you for joining me. This was a joy And guys,

1002
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Speaker 1: listen to that playlist. How often do you get a

1003
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Speaker 1: beautifully curated playlist by a fantastic musician who's also a podcast.

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Speaker 1: us know your favorite songs.

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Speaker 2: Bane x ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsion and

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Speaker 2: Rosie Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Korfman. Our

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Speaker 1: supervising producer is Abuzafar. Our producers are Common Laurent, Dean

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Speaker 1: Johnson and Babe.

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00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 2: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme

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