1 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: Let's paint a scene for you to begin this episode. 2 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: Shall we use a broad brush. Let us use a 3 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: broad brush, let us use several brushes. We're gonna need 4 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: a lot of black and white paint for this one. Okay, 5 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 1: I think I see where you're going. So the world 6 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: renowned secret agent Double O seven himself, James Bond, gets 7 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: a message that leads him on an unauthorized mission into 8 00:00:54,080 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: Mexico City on the Day of the Dead. Hi, I'm 9 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: a Brown, Noel Brown. It's not bad. I don't know. No, 10 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: you're like again you I've already Yeah, okay, that'd be good. 11 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: I like I like that. I like the Connery, the 12 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: Connery Bond voice, spawn tramp spawn, like I don't even know. Yeah, 13 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: I am no old Brown. In fact, you may have 14 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: thought that someone else was here, that that that sounded different. 15 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: Not true. You know who else is here though, Noel Brown? 16 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: Oh boy do I are super producer Casey Pegram And 17 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: most importantly, we're so glad that you are here because 18 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: in today's episode we learned something very very strange. Noel, 19 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: could could you help me describe this opening scene from 20 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: the film Specter? Should we say spoilers? I don't know, 21 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 1: it's not really it's it is. It is like the 22 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: opening sequence. Yeah, it's the opening sequence. I don't remember 23 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: that movie particularly well, though I do remember this scene. Um, 24 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 1: he basically Bond is on a high speed foot chase, 25 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: kind of not really high speed, you know, running speed. 26 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: It's not like a yeah, he's in pursuit. He's in 27 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: pursuit hot pursuit of some sort of batty Again, don't 28 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: don't really remember the deeds of the plot. But he 29 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: ends up bobbing and weaving through this massive Dia Dellas 30 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: Muertos parade festival, surrounded by giant floats adorned with skeletons 31 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: with like puppet type rods attest to the hands. So 32 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: they're going no, no, no, and then you know sugar 33 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: skulls and yeah, one of the skeletons has like a 34 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: big cigar in his mouth and a and a top hat, 35 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: and it's you know, very festival. In streets are packed 36 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: Marty Graws level and their Bond is trying to stop 37 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: a terrorist bombing. God, So he's trying to find the 38 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: needle in the haystack here right now, it's coming back 39 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: to me and because this is the beginning of the movie. 40 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to ruin it for any 41 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: of us out there when we say he survives. Yep, 42 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: it's not. It's it's not setting the record for the 43 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: shortest Bond movie. It's weird. This is he is. He's 44 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: sort of like a Doctor Who type situation that whenever 45 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: they're the new James Bond, is it like just like 46 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: a cold reboot. Are we supposed to believe that this 47 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: is the only James Bond and you know, no one 48 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: acknowledges that the Bond has changed. It's like when they 49 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: recast a character in a sitcom and and it throws 50 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: me off, like the character and family matters when they 51 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: switched out which one, Kimmy it was the uh Judy Winslow, 52 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: I think, oh, that's right, okay, yea, I'm sorry. I 53 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: always confuse family matters in Full House. In my mind, 54 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: they had very similar themes songs, but you know, are 55 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: like in Rosanne whatever. We digress, however, because James Bond, 56 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 1: he did you know, he diffuses the terrorist bomb. But 57 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: here's the thing. This parade that he was a part 58 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: of in the streets of Mexico City not not a 59 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: thing does not exist, man manufactured did not exist. And 60 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: I just want to show you know, I think you'll 61 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: enjoy this. This is the suit that James Bond is wearing. Yeah, 62 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: he's got a he's got a top hat. He's got 63 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: a cheeky little uh vest on with a with a 64 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: rib motif, and it looks like he's wearing like sort 65 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 1: of a black and white striped shirt underneath it, but 66 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: it's kind of peeking through just so that it looks 67 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: like a center, like a spine, like a vertebrae. He 68 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: is very dappered up and he's of course got a 69 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: skeleton mask on. Um here's the thing, though little culturally 70 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 1: appropriated perhaps, Oh yeah, what do you think? What do 71 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: you think? Man? So how about this, Let's step back 72 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: a little and look at what the Day of the 73 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: Dead actually is. What do you say? Let's do? Alright? 74 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: So the Day of the Dead, in a sentence, is 75 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: a holiday that celebrated throughout Mexico, the Mexican diaspora, including 76 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: Central and South regions of Mexico and Latin America in general. 77 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: I believe they do it in Aruguaya and yeah, and 78 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: in Brazil. And it's also celebrated in the United States 79 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: and many other cultures. It's acknowledged. It's not one of 80 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: those hearing gone holidays. It actually lasts for multiple days. Yeah, 81 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: So that span of time is October thirty one is 82 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: All Hallow's Eve or or Halloween. Then on November one 83 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: you have Dio della's in Ascentis or All Saints Day. 84 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: I've also heard it referred to as the Day of 85 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: the Children. Um. And then you've got the kicker on 86 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: November two with the Day of the Dead or All 87 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: Souls Day or Dio dellas Muertos. And this is a 88 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: very community based, family driven kind of celebration, traditionally all 89 00:05:55,680 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: about family, right, right, You build private altars called and 90 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: does you're honoring your loved ones who have passed on, 91 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:08,799 Speaker 1: not worshiping, mind you honoring very very important difference. And 92 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: you some of this honoring includes leaving their preparing their 93 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: favorite foods or bringing them their favorite beverages, visiting grays. 94 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: With these gifts, you will also leave possessions of the 95 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: ones who have passed. Did you say photographs, No, we 96 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: didn't say photographs. That is very important, right, because in fact, 97 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen the movie Coco, the 98 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 1: Pixar movie. UM, it's it's a wonderful, wonderful movie. UM. 99 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: It surrounds that this whole Day of the Dead tradition, 100 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: and the device they use in the in the movie 101 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: is that as soon as people stop remembering you in 102 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,799 Speaker 1: the afterlife, you disappear, you cease, you cease to exist. 103 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: And on the Day of the Dead in the movie, 104 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 1: all of these loved ones get to come back and 105 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: visit with their family members. They don't they can't speak 106 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: to each other, but they're there and then you know, 107 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: the family members know they're there, and it's personified beautifully 108 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 1: in this film them. But the way they get their 109 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: ticket across the Bridge of Souls or whatever it's called, um, 110 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: which is they're guided by merry gold pedals. That's another 111 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: another tradition. UM. And this all lines up with the 112 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: truth because in Latin America they go to graveyards at 113 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: night and do this. But it's not a spooky affair 114 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: because many of these graveyards are are not owned by 115 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: private companies like they are here in the States, but 116 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: they're owned by the community, so the community has to 117 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: keep them up. So every year they'll pull weeds, they'll 118 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: beautify the area around the graves, and you know, do 119 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: all the things we talked about. Put these little trinkets 120 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: and pictures. But pictures are important in the movie, at 121 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: least in Cocoa, because that's what gives them their ticket. 122 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: And if you don't put the picture up, you can't 123 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: come back and visit. So so this is this is amazing. 124 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: I think that's beautiful. When I've encountered this sort of 125 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: cultural relationship with death, it seems I'm gonna go out 126 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: on a limb here. This is just in Guy's opinion, 127 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: it just seems like a more healthy way to approach mortality, 128 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: very grounding, as opposed to it being something to fear 129 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: um and and to mourn, and certainly an element of mourning, 130 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: but it doesn't feel yeah, yeah, there's there's more of 131 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: a it's I miss you, but it's more about I 132 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: love you, right, honoring. Yeah. And it's also a very 133 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: old practice, or at least the predecessors, right. This is 134 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: this dates back three thousand years into pre Columbian cultures. 135 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: When we say dates back, we mean that there was 136 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: some sort of celebration commemorating the deaths of ancestors and 137 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: the festival that forms the basis of the modern Day 138 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: of the Dead. It occurred around the beginning of August 139 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: and it lasted for a month. This was in the 140 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: Aztec and toll Tech cultures and the Nahua people um 141 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: and this is all these are consider or pre Hispanic cultures. 142 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: There's a really cool article on the travel section of 143 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: National Geographic called top ten things you should know about 144 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: the Day of the Dead. And one of the things 145 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: I learned on here is that the Day of the 146 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 1: Dead has UNESCO Cultural Heritage designation. And I did not 147 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: know that events or or holidays could get this designation, 148 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: but it turns out that they can, and it's recognized 149 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: as having an intangible cultural heritage of humanity, which makes 150 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: perfect sense when you think about it, because this is 151 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: another example of a practice that we've talked about on 152 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: a couple of other shows or episodes of other shows 153 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 1: called religious syncretism, and religious syncretism is the idea that 154 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 1: differing spiritual beliefs can be incorporated into the same unified 155 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: belief system or someone. That's why you'll see places that 156 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: had a lot of Atholic influence in the past retain 157 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: original spiritual practices, but then have this um, have the 158 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: names of saints incorporated into the pantheon or something. So 159 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: now when we look at this celebration in the modern days, 160 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: before Specter itself, at least, we see a very Catholic 161 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: celebration and Catholic tinged. But originally we're talking about this 162 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: meso American experience. The Aztecs, for instance, believed there were 163 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: multiple planes of existence that were separate but interrelated, sort 164 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: of what Coco is building off of, and they envisioned 165 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: a world that had thirteen overworlds layers of heaven, and 166 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: then nine underworlds in each level had their own different 167 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: characteristics and particular gods who ruled them. That's interesting too, 168 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 1: because that sort of seems in line with like Dante's 169 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 1: Inferno and like the circles of Hell, you know, like 170 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: having different layers of of the underworld, which is funny too, 171 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: and when the underworld is referred to less as a 172 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: place of damn nation and suffering and more of just 173 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 1: that is the afterlife the underworld. Yeah, and the festival. 174 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: The original month long festival paid tribute to the Lord 175 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: and Lady of the Underworld, along with their ancestors mick 176 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: Lan Techolitti, which I am probably butchering and his wife 177 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: mick Lan Qtel and they lived in mick Lan the 178 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 1: Land of the Dead. It's cool. It's very different from Catholicism, 179 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: it really is. And I think it's so cool the 180 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: way you can see the evolution of this this holiday 181 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: and this tradition up to the current day. So let's 182 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: talk about some of the uh, the features of this tradition. Oh, 183 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you said that. Okay, no, no, you first, 184 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: you first. Well, there's some really cool stuff. Um. One 185 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 1: thing we talked about the the friend as the all 186 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: errs um that are meant to remember and honor are 187 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: lost family members. Um. They have these things called literary calaveras, 188 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: which in calavera actually means skull um. But in the 189 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: eighteenth the nineteen centuries um that term was used to 190 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: describe a kind of a little a little poem, like 191 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 1: a little limericky kind of thing, sort of akin to 192 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: an epitaph, but sort of tongue in cheek. So here's 193 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 1: an example of one. The idea of the calvera kind 194 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 1: of dates back to this idea of uh. The dance 195 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 1: macabre in French or the danza macabre in Spanish and 196 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: Italian Um, which is a type of play that was 197 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: performed in the fourteenth century where you dance with death 198 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: and it's sort of this idea of making peace with 199 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: your relationship with death. Very similar and from that um 200 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: in Mexico it was developed into these kind of fun, 201 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: little poignant, little tongue in cheek poems that are meant 202 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: to sort of poke fun at a cultural figures often. 203 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: So here's one called the Bullfighter. Here lies a good 204 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:06,359 Speaker 1: bullfighter who died of grief from being a bad bandaliro. 205 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: And the bandalero is the one that sticks the flags 206 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 1: into the bull with the list of the pointy sword 207 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: things right, um food at each performance. He has died 208 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:19,560 Speaker 1: of a tumble received on the rear, and such was 209 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: his foolishness that he was already in the tomb turned 210 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: into skull and bones and fighting the dead. So there's 211 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: not a nihilism. There's an acceptance here, there's a well, 212 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:37,959 Speaker 1: it's happening anyway, kind of recognition of life's passages. It's 213 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: it's cool too. From a fanatological perspective thanatology being the 214 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: study of death to see how culture wide this sort 215 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: of removes to a great degree the stigma associated with mortality. Also, 216 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 1: I know we both want to examine this part. The 217 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: food always there's some good food. Yeah, there's there's traditional 218 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 1: food that's often cooked. Tiers say the same way that 219 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 1: marigolds are the primary petals used to decorate to grave. 220 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:16,319 Speaker 1: The bread of the dead or pandemuto is a sweetbread 221 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: that has annis seeds and it's decorated with bones and 222 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: skulls made out of dough and they might be arranged 223 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: in a circle. There are tiny do tear drops that 224 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: symbolize sorrow and they're also sugar skulls and some of 225 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: them have like caramel on them or powdered sugar or 226 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: different like orange zest I think is one of the ingredients. 227 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: They kind of look like cala bread from the Jewish tradition, 228 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: really really beautiful and they've got that really nice shiny 229 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: egg wash kind of quality. Um so that that is 230 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: a very popular dish. And then of course there you know, 231 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: there are traditional Latin American dishes that are often reserved 232 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: for special occasions that are busted out on diadellasmuertos. Things 233 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: like um flan caramel flon or so papias or something 234 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: called calabaza antasha, which is a candied pumpkin dessert. Um 235 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: enchiladas is the delicious, Oh my gosh tinga pablana del 236 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: poyo is like a Mexican stew. Um a lot of 237 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: these things. If you ever find yourself in the Atlanta area, 238 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: gotta go to Plaza Fiesta and I'll tell you, Um, 239 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: I can't quite remember the name of the place, but 240 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: it's it's in one of the back little coves. It's 241 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: not in the main food court, and it's called something 242 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: like Tropical Island Delight or something like that makes no 243 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: sense and doesn't seem to have anything to do with it. 244 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: And you know, it's kind of like the Spot because 245 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: it's always crowded, but not overcrowded, because you know that 246 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: like it's it's kind of like a hidden jewel. And 247 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: that's what I like about it. But amazing Tomali's um 248 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: and all of this stuff, red chili and pork tomales pezzole, 249 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: which is like a chicken soup with hominy in it. 250 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: So good, so good. They're also traditional beverages. This is 251 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: no no, we said that this parade didn't exist when 252 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: it was depicted, inspector. But that's not to say that 253 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: Day of the Dead is not a social holiday. People 254 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: do go out in the streets, they greet each other, 255 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: they will you will see people who might be wearing 256 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: a skeleton costumes. Absolutely, and you know, one of the 257 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: officials in the Tourism department of Mexico City was quick 258 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 1: to say that this is a festival. This is not, 259 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: you know, the replacement for the very personal traditions of 260 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: Day of the Dead. There's also not to say that 261 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: Day of the Dead wasn't happening in Mexico City. That's 262 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: not true at all. It's just much more of a 263 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: thing you do at home with your families, or a 264 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: thing you do where you go visit the grave sites, 265 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: as opposed to some sort of Marty Gras esque parade, 266 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: which is what was depicted in the film and what 267 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: has since been recreated in Mexico City. That's right. In 268 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: the article for The Guardian, journalist David agrin Uh discusses 269 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: this phenomenon. You can find it with the headline Mexico 270 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: cities James Bond inspired Day of the Dead parade. It's 271 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: mixed reviews. Yes, well done, good time, good time, you 272 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: on the sound cue, because after Specter, a lot of 273 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: people who watched this film around the world just assumed 274 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: that this parade happened. And I think that's where I 275 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: kind of have a bone to pick with this cultural appropriation, 276 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: like turning a beautiful, uh tradition, a cultural tradition, into 277 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: a set piece for a foot chase. And it's very 278 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: it's a serious tradition, that's the thing. And and and 279 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: what we're seeing in this article is that is what 280 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: I was saying a minute ago. It's not to say 281 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: that Mexico City was not celebrating Day of the Dead, 282 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 1: but it was much more personal, a very deeply spiritual 283 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: tradition in Mexico um and they decided to turn it 284 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: into a festival. And Enrique Della Madrid, who's the secretary 285 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 1: of Tourism for Mexico, he kind of defends it when 286 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 1: he says this. He says, David, that is always something 287 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: in Mexico City that is celebrated, though in a more 288 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: serious way. What we decided to do here is a festival. 289 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, it seems like there's a little bit of 290 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: lip service being paid there. I don't know. He's they're 291 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: trying to get those tourist bucks. Well we yeah, we 292 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 1: should also point out, just to just to highlight this. 293 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: It is not as if some sort of outside group 294 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: came in and said we're going to produce a festival 295 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: every year. It is the city of Mexico City itself, 296 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: their actual government, and thousands of people came to this parade. 297 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: Of people participated in it. The many people said, you 298 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: know what, this is fine. I I enjoy this and 299 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: I can still do the traditional serious stuff. But people 300 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:42,479 Speaker 1: on social media saw this as a symptom of an 301 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: ongoing larger problem with the government of Mexico City. That's right. 302 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: Esteban Elade has tweeted, this is a cheap stunt. He's 303 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: the editor of a magazine called Exos. They filmed James 304 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: Bond here and now we have the traditional Day of 305 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: the Dead parade. Yeah, let's see what happens when the 306 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: mayor finishes reading the Da Vinci Code. Oh that was 307 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: a sicky burn aloe for that one case. Can we 308 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 1: get a sizzle sound cube. This also was seen as 309 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: um just another scheme by the same people who opened 310 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 1: the world's biggest ice rink built urban beaches and this 311 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 1: this is again is the journalist the journalist quotation here, 312 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: but I love it and having a fetish for setting 313 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: world records, such as taking the biggest ever selfie, the 314 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: biggest like largest in size or I guess the biggest 315 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: the largest amount of people. It's not like Mexico City 316 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: as an army can hold out. It's not really a 317 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 1: selfie if it's a group though, that's true, is it 318 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: the tallest man in the world is selfie the giantest head? Yeah? 319 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: Let us and yeah right to the you know, put 320 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,479 Speaker 1: us in touch with the folks at Guinness. Tell them 321 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,400 Speaker 1: we did an episode on them. Have you heard the deal? 322 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: How Guinness is now more in the business of like 323 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: they will come to you and do an event where 324 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: you can attempt to break a record. Like it's become 325 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,840 Speaker 1: much more of a destination like like a wedding or 326 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: like a party that they they throw and there's different packages, 327 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,199 Speaker 1: so it's a it's a lot easier to get the 328 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: record if you have bookoo bucks to throw at Guinness 329 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: and have them come do this event. It's really interesting. 330 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: That might be an episode unto itself. That's yeah, everything's 331 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: been co modified increasingly. At least that's what the opponents 332 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: of the Day of the Dead parade would say. And 333 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: we also want to know where you fall on this, 334 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: on which side of this debate you fall and do 335 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: you feel like this is a soulless uh rush to 336 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: monetize something or do you think that this is another 337 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: step in the evolution of Day of the Dead. I mean, 338 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: we barely touched upon the Spanish influences. I know, touch 339 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: on some for me, all right, as you can find 340 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: in an MPR ratcle Decoding the Food and Drink on 341 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: a Day of the Dead Altar by Karen Castillo Farfen. 342 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 1: The Spanish conquest put Catholic leaders in a what we've 343 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: said before on the on the show is a very 344 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: terrible mindset. The idea that they would assimilate these people 345 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: and by leading them to what they saw as the 346 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 1: truth of Catholicism, any means they took justified that noble end. 347 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 1: So they exerted their influence on everything. It was very 348 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: ideologically based, and one of those was their influence on 349 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: the tradition that was meant to honor the dead. So 350 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: they ended up they ended up saying this would this 351 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: would overlap with pre existing Catholic holidays, and that's why 352 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: you see this all Soul's Day stuff going on, that's right, 353 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: That's why they line it up with those calendar days, right, 354 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: and that affects it. But also you know this is 355 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,479 Speaker 1: this is a region that, despite having these Mesoamerican pre 356 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: Columbian practices, is still largely very Catholic in terms of 357 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: demographic these are not seen as contradictoris. So the evolution 358 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: was par for the course because this started off as 359 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: a pre Hispanic tradition and then you're talking about that 360 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: influence on these indigenous people of the region by the Spanish. 361 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 1: They kind of had to co opt this tradition and 362 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: sort of give it a little twist, right yep. So 363 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: is this parade another step in that ongoing evolution, and 364 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: if so, is it a step in a good direction 365 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: and bad direction or neutral direction. One thing we can 366 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: say for sure, however, is that this is not the 367 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: only case in which a fictional event has prompted a 368 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 1: real world change. Hit me with one. I would love 369 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: to and we also think and hope that you would 370 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: love to hear one too, folks, But unfortunately the ones 371 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: we found are so good. They will have to be 372 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: their own episodes. One in particular, you know the one 373 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about. You're talking about the Sir Arthur Conan 374 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 1: Doyle crime busting story. Yes, we are, that's true. The 375 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: creator of Sherlock Holmes, it turns out, wasn't just talking 376 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: the talk when you say writing the words, yeah, he's 377 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 1: also doing the dirt. He was doing the dirts. There 378 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: we go, We got there. We hope that you enjoyed 379 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: this exploration of the relationship that fiction can have with 380 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: the real world. And we'd like to hear your examples 381 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: of other other bits about this, and not only that. 382 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: Have you been to Adadella Smuertos event um, one of 383 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: the kind of more you know there may be losing 384 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: the spiritual a little bit we've done of these street festivals, 385 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: or is this a tradition in your family? I would 386 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: love to hear some inside information on at please. You 387 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: can write to us at Ridiculous at how stuff works 388 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 1: dot com. You can hit us up on the social 389 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: meds at the Facebook where we are Ridiculous history Um. 390 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: Give a look at our Facebook group, the Ridiculous Historians. 391 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: We are really looking forward to mining it for some 392 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: future episode ideas. Yes, and we also we also just 393 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: found the soundbites noisemaker in the studio, so we should 394 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: probably get out of here. Uh, do you want to 395 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: hear a sound effects? Sure? Man, Okay, let's go. Okay, 396 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: there's we'll go see if we'll go applause. Okay. So 397 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:39,399 Speaker 1: we'd like to thank Casey Pegram our super producer, Casey sincerely, 398 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 1: thank you, of course, thanks to Alex Williams, Christopher Hasciodas, 399 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: Noel Brown, ladies and gentlemen, and breathe. Thanks to you, 400 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: we're seeing the whole time. I know it was me 401 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: the whole time, Like at the very end of the 402 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 1: sixth cents when everyone goes, will I know, come on now, 403 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: no spoilers, No, that was good. I stole that Joe 404 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 1: from always studying in Philadelphia. That's true. That was Bruce 405 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: Willis the whole time. It's true. Um, and we hope 406 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: you continue being you the whole time because we really 407 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,919 Speaker 1: like you, We really like hanging out with you. And 408 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: stay tuned. Next week we're gonna be talking about a 409 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: thing right, specifically, how the capture of Guam was bloodless 410 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: and quick entirely due to what misunderstanding. That sounds like 411 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: a pretty sweet misunderstanding. I can't wait to hear all 412 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 1: about it, or you know, tell you all about it. 413 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: It's yeah, we have it back and forth. All right, great,