1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. Breakfast Club Morning. 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 2: Everybody is DJ Envy, Jess, Larry Charlamagne, the guy we 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 2: are to Breakfast Club. Angela Riet of course is checking 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,440 Speaker 2: in with us as always, and we got a special 5 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,960 Speaker 2: guest in the building. Secretary of Transportation Pete Booey Judge, 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 2: welcome back. 7 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: Thanks, good to be back. 8 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 3: Good morning. 9 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 1: How are you man same to you? Dump right in. 10 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 2: Right in? 11 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 4: Secretary Pete, you are the Secretary of Transportation. What do 12 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 4: you know about these manned SUV side drones flying over 13 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 4: New Jersey? John John kirbyed the National Security Communications Byers, said. 14 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 3: They were manned yep, yesterday. What do you think it is? 15 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: So? 16 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,279 Speaker 5: I mean, we're helping law enforcement work through it all 17 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 5: mainly a homeland security issue. Our job is to make 18 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 5: sure that any restricted airspace nothing comes in there that 19 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 5: shouldn't be there. That includes airspace over an airport. Sometimes 20 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 5: another area could be restricted because it's sensitive. For example 21 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 5: that's close to the Trump Golf Club, there's temporary flight 22 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 5: restrictions there. Bigger picture is we're going to have more 23 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 5: and more drones. Obviously, if it's man that's different. But 24 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 5: we're gonna have more and more things entering the airspace. 25 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 5: We got to work to make sure that's safe. This 26 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 5: is not a world where anything flying is either an 27 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:16,119 Speaker 5: airplane or a helicopter. The drones are getting bigger. That look, 28 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 5: it can be a good thing to have these resources 29 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 5: to deliver, for example, in a really hard to reach area, 30 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 5: you make deliveries. But we're talking about potentially millions of 31 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 5: these coming into the airspace. And what we're trying to do, 32 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 5: especially on the FAA side, is coordinate all that make 33 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 5: sure it's safe. 34 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 3: Is that they're manned, Like who's man's is this? 35 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: Like? 36 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 4: Who are these people like? And why is it okay? 37 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 4: And why wouldn't they inform the public beforehand? 38 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, so they know more than I do on the 39 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 5: law enforcement side about the identity of the aircraft. 40 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: But it is true. 41 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 5: Sometimes you look up at something you think it's one thing, 42 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 5: turns out it's another. I think that's what they've been 43 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 5: working through on the law enforcement side. 44 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 4: Donald Trump was on with Joe Rogan. They had a 45 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 4: whole conversation about aliens, not the kind you want to 46 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 4: deport ax. Then Cliff High said, thirty nine days after 47 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 4: that interview, we were going to start having an alien 48 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 4: invasion around December third, that's when all of these sub 49 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 4: side drones which I've even seen started getting seen over Jersey. 50 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 3: Is it an alien invasion? 51 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 5: I mean no disrespect to New Jersey when I say that. 52 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 5: I think it's very unlikely that an alien invasion would begin. 53 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: Watch him out. We lived it, I know, but nobody. 54 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: I love New Jersey. 55 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 5: I'm just saying I don't think that's the kind of 56 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 5: main point of entry that an extra terrest. 57 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: Unless there's something we don't know, Jersey Shore or something 58 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 1: like that. 59 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 2: Winter time, right, American dreaming might go with skiing because interview, 60 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: I would think I would I would. 61 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 5: Go for someplace in the Pacific where there's no inhabited 62 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 5: space for a couple one hundred miles, so that I 63 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 5: could kind of get my bearings before I go anywhere. 64 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: Anyone's going to see. 65 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 3: Me right in their intelligent life. 66 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 5: Well, you still want to take your time. I'm kind 67 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 5: of set up set up shop a little bit. 68 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 3: What have they've been watching us for you already? 69 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: Yeah? 70 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 5: Maybe I don't know. 71 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,080 Speaker 6: You know, anxiety making my anxiety. 72 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 4: Secretary people know something you want to take the secretary 73 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 4: transportation just sub sized anything flying in the sky. 74 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 5: You know about there's like millions of things in the 75 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 5: national air space, right, So I do actually, we do 76 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:20,799 Speaker 5: have a we do have a big board at the 77 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 5: USDOT which has the dots kind of show you the 78 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 5: tracking of of commercial aircraft. 79 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 1: But no, I don't necessarily know all that. 80 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: Okay, well, how are you feeling. I'm sorry to started 81 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 2: like that. How are you feeling? How was everything? 82 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: You know? 83 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 5: It's an interesting time. I mean, work wise, what we're 84 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 5: focused on is we have more grants. We're working to 85 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 5: get out the door, make sure we take the funding 86 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 5: that's in the President's Infrastructure package and assign it to 87 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 5: projects that are going to make a difference. So we 88 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 5: have more announcements coming on that, and then the things 89 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 5: we've already announced. It can take years to go from 90 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 5: a press release saying, you know, congratulations, we're going to 91 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 5: work on the let's say, the Hudson River Tunnel and 92 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 5: it actually happening. So we're trying to move that along. 93 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 5: We're trying to finalize a lot of policies we set 94 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 5: into motion we just didn't want a few days ago. 95 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 5: On airlines again, how airlines treat people and what kind 96 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 5: of compensation you ought to get that was launching a policy. 97 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 5: We're also finalizing some policies that we launched a while ago. 98 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 5: So we're busy. We're going to stay busy for the 99 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 5: next thirty eight days that we have in these jobs. 100 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 2: And we got to talk about the election. How do 101 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 2: you feel after the election? What do you think could 102 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: have been done to make sure that we, the Democrats, 103 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 2: would have got a win. 104 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 5: Look, it's tough, and I gotta be careful how I 105 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 5: talk about it because I'm here as a federal official, 106 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 5: so I can't totally get into campaigns and parties. 107 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: But I'll say this. I think all politics and all. 108 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 5: Policy is about everyday life. And if people don't feel 109 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 5: that that's what we're talking about, then they lose touch 110 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:50,719 Speaker 5: with what we have to say. And I think we 111 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 5: have a responsibility. I tried to do all of our 112 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 5: policy making in terms of everyday life. Whether we're doing 113 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 5: a billion dollar project, how's it going to make your 114 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,480 Speaker 5: commute better? Or whether we're doing a regular how's it 115 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 5: going to make your life safer? We have to communicate 116 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 5: about that too, and that gets harder and harder with 117 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 5: the noise machine and the culture wars, and I think 118 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 5: a lot of folks aren't following kind of mainstream media 119 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 5: to get their news anyway. It's just getting tougher and 120 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 5: tough to have that conversation. I still believe, at risk 121 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 5: of sounding naive, I still believe that if you do 122 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 5: the right thing in time, you get credit for it. 123 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 5: I saw that happen with Obamacare, the Affordable Care Act, 124 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 5: where the first time I was running for office in 125 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 5: twenty ten, we got destroyed over that issue. By twenty eighteen, 126 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 5: it was a winning issue, and even Donald Trump and 127 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 5: a Republican Congress couldn't tear it down because the American 128 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 5: people wanted to understood that it was helping them. I 129 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 5: think there's a lot of things like that that we're 130 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 5: doing right now. But the simple truth is most of 131 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 5: the stuff with infrastructure, most of the stuff we launched 132 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 5: in the first half of this decade, is going to 133 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 5: deliver most of its benefits in the second half of 134 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 5: this day. That's when they cut the ribbon on the 135 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 5: bridge that we fixed, or open the airport terminal that 136 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 5: we funded, or people realize that something like the refund 137 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 5: policy we're doing on airlines is working for them. All 138 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 5: these ev factories I've toured, many of which, by the way, 139 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 5: are in Red States, Indiana, Kentucky, Kansas. Most of those 140 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 5: when I've toured them, they've been construction sites, and they're 141 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 5: going to be. They're already creating all these jobs in 142 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 5: the building trades to build them, but the manufacturing jobs 143 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 5: in them they're coming online in like twenty twenty five, 144 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 5: twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven. So we're in this 145 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 5: stage where you're not always getting credit for good work. 146 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 2: I want to ask one question before you jump at Angelo, 147 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 2: what is your thoughts on electric costs. A lot of 148 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 2: people feel that electric vehicles are just as bad as 149 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 2: the gas vehicles, with the batteries, with the things that 150 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 2: you know to get rid of them, dispose of them. 151 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: A lot of people are not sold on them, and 152 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 2: a lot of manufacturers people are not necessarily wanted to 153 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 2: buy them. They're on lots, can't sell them. There's huge discounts, 154 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 2: and I mean New Jersey now have taxes on them. 155 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 2: At first, at first that was a good thing that 156 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: you didn't if you bought an electric vehicle, you wouldn't 157 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 2: be taxed. But now they're starting to tax it. So 158 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on electric vehicles and the public's 159 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 2: view on them. 160 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: So I still think it's the future. 161 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 5: And I would point out, even with ups and downs 162 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 5: in the market, every year more people in America choose 163 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 5: to buy them than the year before, so. 164 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: It is growing. 165 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 5: But look, it's not for everybody, and we never said 166 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 5: it would be for everybody right away. Our goal is 167 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 5: by the end of the decade, it's about half and 168 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 5: a half. If everybody got an electric vehicle tomorrow, America 169 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 5: wouldn't be ready. We don't have the chargers but on 170 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 5: the grid instruct and which is why we're trying to 171 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 5: build it. Another thing that we launched in the first 172 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 5: half of this decade that will be coming online in 173 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 5: the out years is all these chargers were supporting. The 174 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 5: first couple hundred are up now, but eventually thousands and 175 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 5: thousands to join the to get to that goal of 176 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 5: half a million. Right now nationally we're two hundred thousand. 177 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 5: We're adding a bunch anyway, It's just not true environmentally 178 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 5: that it's the same. 179 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 2: Okay, Does people feel like it's just the same or 180 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 2: it's worse. 181 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 5: The thing that's screwing us up day by day in 182 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 5: this country is climate change and that is happening because 183 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 5: of carbon pollution, and EV's are one of the ways 184 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 5: that we can cut that because they don't spit out 185 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 5: carbon pollution. Are there issues with the materials that go 186 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 5: in the batteries, absolutely, But one really important thing to 187 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 5: remember is that material can be reused. You can recycle 188 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 5: the batteries, which will become more and more relevant as 189 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 5: you have more old cars. Right now, there's not a 190 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 5: lot of end of life evs right but there will be, 191 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 5: and then the next generation of vv's those batteries can 192 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 5: be made with them. There's I mean, any manufactured product, 193 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 5: there's environmental issues associated with manufacturing them. I don't mean 194 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 5: to wave that away, but handling that compared to handling 195 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 5: a climate situation that is almost certainly part of why 196 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 5: things like Hurricane Helene and Milton are worse than before. 197 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 5: Why are getting heat waves in the Pacific Northwest that 198 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,199 Speaker 5: aren't even supposed to be statistically possible. Why one of 199 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 5: our big projects is dealing with the damage of her 200 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 5: Superstorm Sandy here. 201 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: That is happening now. 202 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 5: That is not theoretical, that is real, And EV's aren't 203 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 5: the answer to all of it. 204 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: But they're helping. 205 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 5: And the thing I care about just as much as 206 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 5: that is the job growth. I was back in South Bend, 207 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 5: where I grew up, where I served as mayor, about 208 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 5: a week ago. When I was mayor, they were telling 209 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 5: us that manufacturing was done. We're gonna make things in 210 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 5: this country anymore. Definitely, if you were in a union 211 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 5: like the electrical workers, they told you, you know, you 212 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 5: might as well give up few people a year get 213 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 5: into an apprenticeship program. 214 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: I was there. 215 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 5: Now they're gonna have five hundred people working on an 216 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 5: EV battery factory that is multi billion dollars in Saint 217 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 5: Joe County. That is bigger than anything that happened in 218 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 5: the auto industry, any investment in the auto industry since 219 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 5: the Kennedy. 220 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 3: Years, like since before I was born. 221 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: It's happening right now. 222 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 5: So the other exciting thing was like, let's make sure 223 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 5: these EV's are made in America. And I gotta say, 224 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 5: I'm not gonna guess what the next administration will do, 225 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 5: but I wonder when they're really confronted with the decision 226 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 5: of whether to make through on their threats and wreck 227 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 5: this e the industry that is employing people in places 228 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 5: like where I grew up, whether we're talking about auto 229 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 5: workers or whether we're talking about electrical workers a lot 230 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 5: of other people, are they really going to pull the 231 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 5: rug out from under those workers, many of whom are 232 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 5: in red states. I guess we're about to find out. 233 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 7: You know, I'm not going to have you violate the 234 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 7: Hatch Act. But I think one of the things that 235 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 7: has been up for discussion is what's going to happen 236 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 7: with the Democratic Party. You're, of course a part of 237 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 7: the Democratic administration, and recently I was asked who would 238 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 7: be a good DNC chair And you might not like this, 239 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 7: but I thought of you. There are a lot of 240 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 7: people who are jocking for this position, who the country's 241 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 7: never heard of. But you had a really phenomenal moment 242 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 7: during this campaign cycle debating undecided voters. The video went viral. 243 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 7: You're able to communicate in tough places. You come here, 244 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 7: you go on Fox. You're able to communicate the message 245 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 7: in ways that I think a lot of the Democratic 246 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 7: Party avoids. Can you talk about whether or not that's 247 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 7: something that you would be interested in it? 248 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 6: If not, who you think would be. 249 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 7: Good, not in your official capacity, in your personal capacity, 250 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 7: who you think would be the type of chair they 251 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 7: need to see to preserve frankly, whatever they've built in 252 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 7: that pay. 253 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 254 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:21,679 Speaker 5: So well it's not going to be me. I care 255 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 5: about that a lot, but it's just not It's not 256 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 5: what I'm going to be doing right now. 257 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: I'm following it a lot. 258 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 5: I can't get into party stuff too much this time, 259 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 5: but what I'll say is, you know, whether you're talking 260 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 5: about what goes on the party campaigns or the policy side. 261 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 5: And even though we're about to be out of the administration, 262 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 5: we've got leaders in obviously communities, we've got governors, and 263 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 5: we've got people on Capitol Hill who are going to 264 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 5: I think, show what leadership from my side of the 265 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 5: aisle looks like, and I think a lot of it 266 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,959 Speaker 5: will be you know, you're mentioning an experience I did 267 00:11:57,000 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 5: on a channel called Jubilee, which I got a ton 268 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 5: of feedback about. That was great because there's different people 269 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 5: than the folks who were watching what I might have 270 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 5: to say on Ciena and or Fox News or MSNBC. 271 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 3: How many people who. 272 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 7: Like a point It was a lot like millions. 273 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 5: Oh the experience, Yeah, it was like twenty was like 274 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 5: in a room with twenty five people, and what it 275 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 5: reminded me of was what it was like being mayor 276 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 5: where you know, I didn't somebody stops at you in 277 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 5: the parking lot at the grocery store because they want 278 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 5: to know why you you changed the trash pick up 279 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 5: from the front of the house to the back of 280 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:35,599 Speaker 5: the house, and they're mad at you. You got to 281 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 5: explain it, and you can't go to talking points, right 282 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 5: And I think a lot of the best voices we 283 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 5: have are people who are. 284 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: Having to have those kinds of conversations. 285 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 3: In their communities, absolutely, and. 286 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 5: Not the stuff that's that's dominating the attention of a 287 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:52,200 Speaker 5: place like Capitol Hill. 288 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: You know, I. 289 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 5: Back when I was running, I talked a lot about, 290 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 5: you know, needing to have perspectives from outside of Washington. 291 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 5: When I got to Washington, I noticed two things. One 292 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 5: in all humility, like that town is full of a 293 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 5: lot of really good people, public servants who come to 294 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 5: work every day trying to do the right thing and 295 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 5: who care about this country. But also it is a 296 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 5: very self absorbed place, like even more than any other 297 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 5: kind of scene that I've seen, more than any city, 298 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 5: more than Hollywood, like it is a place where like 299 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 5: everybody wants to talk about what this senator had for breakfast. 300 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 5: You know what, I chasten I got there, we start 301 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 5: reading like write ups the next day online about like 302 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 5: you know, where we're having dinner and stuff like. 303 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: It's just very like. 304 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 5: Inward looking. Sometimes we've got to get out of that. 305 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 5: And that's part of why I will be out of Washington. Well, 306 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 5: not that I'm invited for the next four years, but 307 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 5: I think it will be helpful to be out of Washington. 308 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 3: For the next few years for me. Well, you know, 309 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 3: you're a very cerebral person. 310 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,839 Speaker 4: Everybody knows that, Secretary Pege, So I know that you've 311 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 4: thought about your future. 312 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 3: Check what is the future for Secretary Peace? 313 00:13:59,520 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. 314 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 5: That's just like, no, no, it's true. I mean, obviously 315 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 5: there's a lot of different things I might do. People 316 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 5: are putting all kinds of ideas in my head. But 317 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 5: you know, I got thirty eight days to do this job, 318 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 5: and I got to stay really focused on that. And 319 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 5: then I'm not going to just jump into something just 320 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 5: so I can do it, or just try to have 321 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 5: an office. 322 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: Just so I can have it. I know what I 323 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: care about. 324 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 5: I care about how places like where I grew up 325 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 5: in Indiana and where I live now in northern Michigan, 326 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 5: how places like that can grow, how we can replicate 327 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 5: the story of the city that I served in that 328 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 5: started out that decade being told we were dying and 329 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 5: ended like growing and creating jobs, and now it's happening 330 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 5: in a whole new way, largely because of what happened 331 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,239 Speaker 5: in to the Biden administration. 332 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: I care about that. 333 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 5: I care about big picture of democratic reforms and how 334 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 5: we change all of the things that make us not 335 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 5: that democratic. And I'm not just talking about the whole 336 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 5: kind of question of authoritarianism that I think all all 337 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 5: of us are rightly worried about. I'm talking about stuff 338 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 5: that happens out in the open, in terms of how 339 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 5: our districts are drawn and how our campaigns are paid for, 340 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 5: and the electric stuff I. 341 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: Talk about a lot. 342 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 5: I care about that. I care about making sure that 343 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 5: our generation comes out ahead. Because if you were born 344 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 5: when my parents were born, there's a ninety percent chance 345 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 5: you were going to come out economically ahead of your parents. 346 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 5: If you were born when I was born in the eighties, 347 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 5: it's a coin flip. So you know, I care about 348 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 5: stuff like that. I care about the information environment, kind 349 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 5: of what Angela and I were just talking about about 350 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 5: the different spaces we go into. But how I do that, 351 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 5: whether that's as an elected official or something more political 352 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 5: or something a little more out of that space, that's 353 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 5: something I will have time to figure out after January twenty. 354 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 4: Is it about the money of the service, because you know, 355 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 4: you can get to the bag, like you know, your 356 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 4: secretary Pete now, so you can write a book, you can, 357 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 4: it's on a podcast. There's a lot of things you 358 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 4: can do to actually get money. You got kids, man, 359 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 4: you're married with kids. 360 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I need a paycheck, That's right. I 361 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: didn't you know. 362 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 5: It's not like I'm a millionaire and you know, but 363 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 5: I'll figure that out that like that'll be okay. Chasing 364 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 5: has also reminded me that. 365 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 3: You know, we will get money. 366 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 5: We need to, you know obviously, you know, have a 367 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 5: living and take care of our kids. And also, you know, Chasin, 368 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 5: you know, we're like any working couple like he you know, 369 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 5: I talked to him on the way to the studio here, 370 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 5: like he is solo wrangling two three year olds getting 371 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 5: them to school. In the middle of a snowstorm. And 372 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 5: I just have some catching up to do there in 373 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 5: terms of doing my well. Yeah, which is totally fair, right, 374 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 5: and and he's been great, but so I'm gonna be 375 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 5: a little more focused on that. Plus, our kids are twins, 376 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 5: a boy and girl are twins. They're three. They're old 377 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 5: enough to not just to notice, but like to care 378 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 5: when I'm gone. So I'm I'm looking forward to some 379 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 5: period of time when I'm posting at home able to think. 380 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: But before we do any of that, like, we got. 381 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 5: Thirty eight days of real work, because every day we're here, 382 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 5: we're gonna wish we had it back later on to 383 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 5: get more done, to get more dollars out the door, 384 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 5: to give Morgan policies done. 385 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: So we're pushing hard. 386 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 2: I do have to ask about congestion price. And I mean, 387 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 2: you talked about New York and the tunnel that they're building, 388 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 2: but they're saying this congestion price in New York City 389 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 2: could be the guinea pig for the country for different 390 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,199 Speaker 2: cities of people driving in. A lot of people are 391 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 2: against it, right, It's what grocries expensive, gas expensive, everything expensive, right, 392 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 2: everything is high. This is just going to be another 393 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 2: thing that you know, citizens Americans have to pay. What's 394 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 2: your thoughts on that, because it's going to hurt a 395 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 2: lot of people. 396 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 5: So the bottom line is, I've got to This sounds 397 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 5: like a cop out, but it's only because federally, it's 398 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 5: very important to respect that this is a local decision. 399 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 5: So from a federal perspective, they've done everything they need 400 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 5: to do. We went through a process of I think 401 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 5: more than twenty thousand pages of verification to evaluate whether 402 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 5: it's met its legal requirements, and it has. Now it's 403 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 5: still up to the city, the state, the region to 404 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 5: decide if they want to do something. But like from 405 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 5: a Department of Transportation perspective, they've demonstrated that to the 406 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 5: satisfaction of our department. I know that sounds like a 407 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 5: bureaucratic answer, but part of why I'm answering that ways 408 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 5: because I respect the fact that that's a local decision. 409 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 5: What I will say is there's a handful of places 410 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 5: that have done it, but mostly in other places around 411 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 5: the world, London, Singapore, Stockholm. The usual pattern has been 412 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 5: that people there's a lot of controversy about it beforehand. 413 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 5: People in the end have have preferred to have it 414 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 5: after the fact once they're. 415 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 3: Used to it. 416 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: But every city is different. 417 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 7: I had some questions around you're just thinking of legacy 418 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 7: and how things are being left. There's a lot of 419 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 7: folks who have come in as Secretary Department of Transportation, 420 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 7: and one thing that has remained pretty stagnant is the 421 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 7: utilization of dB so the disadvantage business enterprise. I'm from 422 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 7: Washington State and there was a disparity study done this 423 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 7: year looking at all of these numbers. And I think 424 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 7: the one time you met my dad, like he ran 425 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 7: up on you, was like, hey, Secretary Pete, and he 426 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 7: had questions about this. He's dedicated his life to this, 427 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 7: so it's something that we're really passionate about. But when 428 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 7: you look at how the Federal Highway Administration funds contracts, 429 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 7: only one percent of those contracts are going to black 430 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 7: owned firms, the Federal Transit Authority it's one point zero 431 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 7: and then state funded contracts zero point two percent. And 432 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 7: this is it doesn't matter if it's a Democratic governor 433 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 7: or a Republican governor. This is something that's remained pretty stagnant. 434 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 7: I'm eager to know you know what you all have 435 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 7: done what you all planned to do. I know that 436 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 7: there's a civil rights lead on this, but this has 437 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 7: not changed much and it's tragic. I'm terrified about what's 438 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 7: going to happen because as soon as Donald Trump was elected, Walmart, Starbucks, 439 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 7: everybody's saying, you know, to hell with DEI we can't 440 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 7: afford to do that or be in those positions as 441 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 7: black folks. 442 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. Right, So this is really important. 443 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 5: If you look at, for example, the black middle class 444 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 5: in Atlanta, part of how that was built was because 445 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 5: the mayor at the time that the airport was going 446 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 5: up insisted that black owned businesses had a shot at 447 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 5: the work that was going on, and they did, and 448 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 5: whole companies grew out of that. I've been there, talked 449 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 5: to second generation people who are now leading those construction 450 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 5: companies and working on new work at the airport where 451 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 5: their parents had worked on the original rounds. So I've 452 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 5: seen the opportunity to can create. Here's what we've done. 453 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 5: We've boosted our goal for the dollars that directly or 454 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 5: contracted by our department. We had a over twenty percent 455 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 5: goal on SDB Small Disadvantaged Businesses and we beat it. 456 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 5: So we've been able to generate I think we're now 457 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 5: in the billions in terms of doing better than before. 458 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 5: But a lot of those statistics that you've found show 459 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 5: how when the federal dollars go out to the states 460 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 5: or they go out to the communities, those states and 461 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 5: communities may not have the same level of commitment to 462 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 5: making sure that there's that dB participation. We have been 463 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 5: able to do a lot of things to encourage that, 464 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 5: including updating the entire rule, the whole regulatory framework for dbes. 465 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 5: We immediately got sued and right now there's an injunction 466 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 5: that's affecting in certain jurisdictions how much we can pursue 467 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 5: that work. By the way, they've done this for other 468 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 5: departments too. They went after the Small Business Administration's program, 469 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 5: they went after the NBDA, which is part of commerce. 470 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 5: We think that we know that we're on good legal ground, 471 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 5: but we're gonna have to fight for it, and we're 472 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 5: gonna stay committed. But to some of the numbers you're mentioning, 473 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,919 Speaker 5: a lot of this does happen closer to home, and 474 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:37,719 Speaker 5: so we've got to set a tone that says, wait 475 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 5: a minute, it's important to create these opportunities locally. By 476 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 5: the way, there's the business side, but also the labor side. 477 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 5: I've seen a lot of I've seen some labor unions 478 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 5: and locals that are doing it right. And you see 479 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 5: people who just would not have had a chance to 480 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 5: get these good paying jobs in the building trades, and 481 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 5: there are things that can be done to help make 482 00:21:56,040 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 5: sure they get a shot, making sure there's more apprenticesh 483 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 5: so you can earn while you learn, so you don't 484 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 5: have to have money to take time off to be 485 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 5: in the apprenticeship program. For a lot of working women, 486 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 5: I mean working parents in general, but definitely for working women, 487 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 5: it's important to. 488 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 1: Have childcare set up. 489 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 5: In Pittsburgh, they set up a childcare center at the 490 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 5: construction site of the airport terminal that they're doing, and 491 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 5: it means that more people who just would never have 492 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 5: had a chance to be part of that are part 493 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 5: of that. 494 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: So we're being intentional about it. 495 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 5: But look, the next administration has not shown any signs 496 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 5: of being enthusiastic about this. We're still defending what we've 497 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 5: done in court and I would say we've done a lot, 498 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 5: but we got a long way to go. And what 499 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 5: that means, what that says to me, is there is 500 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 5: going to have to be a lot at the state 501 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 5: and local level to keep the momentum up. 502 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 4: You know, somebody in the upcoming administration is going to 503 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 4: take credit for something you implemented. 504 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 3: So what is it we will see from them that's 505 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 3: actually you. 506 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 5: So there's sixty six thousand projects we got started. If 507 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 5: I went to three projects a day for the rest 508 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 5: of my life, I would not live long enough. 509 00:22:58,119 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: To see them. 510 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 5: A thousands of them are complete, but most of them 511 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 5: aren't it. 512 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 1: These things take years. 513 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 5: So you know when you look at I mean there's 514 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,639 Speaker 5: these big signature projects. You know, the Hudson River Tunnel 515 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 5: that might be the biggest project east of the Mississippi 516 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 5: in our lifetimes. There's album is that going to take 517 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 5: very long time. We're sixteen billion into Jesus. 518 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 3: So it won't even be just you won't even see 519 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 3: that in this administration. 520 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 5: But some things are will be underway, are underway now, 521 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 5: will be done sooner. The Portal North Bridge, which is 522 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 5: another key key bridge. 523 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: It all comes back to New Jersey. 524 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 7: See, yeah, let's spiral them again. 525 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 5: I think you know, you can go on down the list. 526 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 5: Big thing that the the High speed rail. You know, 527 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 5: I cut I broke ground on a high speed rail 528 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 5: project from Las Vegas to southern California. They're aiming to 529 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 5: be done by twenty twenty eight. That's an aggressive timeline, 530 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 5: but that's what they think they can do. So all 531 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 5: of that, Yeah, somebody else is going to cut the 532 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 5: ribbon on that. But look, we've already seen people who 533 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 5: voted against the Biden infrastructure package show up and try 534 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 5: to take credit at these things. We're about to see 535 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 5: that at. 536 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: A whole new level. 537 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 5: And I'm going to be there to remind folks that 538 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 5: some people were with us, even some Republicans were with us, 539 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 5: and a lot of people were against us, and we 540 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 5: were trying to get this money out the door. 541 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 3: Is that trans Atlantic tunnel shit real? 542 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 4: The New York, the London that can get you between 543 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 4: the cities in an hour anything, it's gonna cost a 544 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 4: nineteen trillion to build. 545 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 5: I call that more of a concept of a plan. Okay, okay, 546 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,920 Speaker 5: it'd be pretty amazing. But yeah, some of those hyper 547 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 5: I mean, it's very exciting to think about. But the 548 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 5: things you have to do, the pressurization, the tunneling, I mean, 549 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 5: you know, kind of hard to hard on today's technology. 550 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 5: Hard to see how that happens. 551 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 7: Well, speaking of concept of the plan, you are saying 552 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 7: that's what you have for your future. But you did 553 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 7: move to Michigan in twenty twenty. There is a term 554 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 7: limited governor, Big Rich, yes, Gretchen Whitmer, who is of 555 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 7: course not running. And then there is a mayor of 556 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 7: Detroit who's declared his gubernatory run but as an independent. 557 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:20,400 Speaker 3: So Democrats want you to run for governor of Michigan. 558 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 6: But have you thought about running for a governor? 559 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: I mean, you needn't say anything. 560 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,199 Speaker 2: The first time, he was lost to the. 561 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 5: Word I'm not here to make news on my future. 562 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 5: I honestly haven't you ruled anything. So taken that as 563 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 5: a maybe you, Like I said, people are I've. 564 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 4: Never They say you met about it this week? You 565 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 4: met with people Democrats in Michigan. 566 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 5: About I meet democrats? All, I'm a Democrat and I 567 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 5: live in Michigan. Like you know, Look, we moved there 568 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,360 Speaker 5: because of family. We moved there, We bought a place 569 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 5: there four years ago. Are having our kids closer. Grandparents 570 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,120 Speaker 5: has been here. But yeah, look I really care about 571 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 5: this date. I just can't I can't get into campaign 572 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 5: stuff or anything like that. 573 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 4: Is it something you're even interested in You're just gonna 574 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 4: keep it, But have it crossed your mind, like, Hey, 575 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 4: being governor of Michigan. 576 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 3: Would be cool. 577 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 5: Look, I care about the place a lot, and I 578 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 5: told you earlier some of the other things I care about. 579 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:21,919 Speaker 5: There's a lot of ways to work on that. You 580 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 5: can work on that in office, you can work on 581 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 5: that out of office. It's I'm not trying to be cagy. 582 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 5: I just I don't know, and I want to know. 583 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,640 Speaker 5: I want to have a lot more of my mind 584 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 5: made up before I go around talking about stuff like 585 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 5: that on the radio. 586 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 7: If you thought about it, and I think I think 587 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,360 Speaker 7: the most important thing is if you just in case 588 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 7: you missed it, you're a very public servant ish and 589 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,239 Speaker 7: so even though you're like, oh, I could do this 590 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 7: thing politically and other things, you're you're good at this, 591 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 7: Like this is something that you're good at our well. 592 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 7: My friend Garland is also thinking about a run Gil Chris, 593 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 7: who's fantastic. But there's the one that I think strikes 594 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 7: a course for me is Mike Dugan saying he's going 595 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 7: to run as an independent. There are a lot of 596 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 7: folks who are upset about that because that could throw 597 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 7: the race potentially, which we've seen in larger elections than 598 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 7: just goobernatorials in the past. 599 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, and look, he's also a phenomenal mayor. We've worked 600 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 5: a lot on a lot of things benefiting Detroit where 601 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 5: we've teamed up. But I just you got to keep 602 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,080 Speaker 5: me out of hashtag jail here. 603 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 7: I can all right, Okay, we don't want to be 604 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 7: in Hatchack jail, even though it's in the state. 605 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 6: But when leave that alone, I'll let you let that 606 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 6: fly op portund like. 607 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 7: I'm not a lawyer for that one, Secretary Pete, but 608 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 7: I will ask you. 609 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 6: So you talked about thirty eight days left. 610 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 7: It's not just thirty eight days left for you, there's 611 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 7: also thirty eight days left for President Biden. Are there 612 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 7: things that you have before the president that you really 613 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,440 Speaker 7: want to have happen for transportation? Are there other things 614 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 7: that you think this administration really needs to get done 615 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 7: before armageddon? 616 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 5: Yeah? You know, he just asked me for an update. 617 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,199 Speaker 5: We've we've been writing up some of the latest on 618 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 5: what we think we can get out the door. There 619 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 5: are a number of grant programs and projects we think 620 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 5: we can make happen. Potentially, still hundreds of projects we 621 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 5: can announce before January twentieth, and anything we can do, 622 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 5: we have to do it right. We can't do it 623 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 5: half asked just to get out the door, so we 624 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 5: have to make sure we're picking the right projects or 625 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 5: being responsible with the money. But yeah, I think we 626 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 5: can do a lot more. And again there's some policies 627 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 5: we can still finalize, just as we have been doing 628 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 5: on everything from you know, worker protection, and it's amazing 629 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 5: how long it takes to get a federal regulation finalized. 630 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 5: And I understand why. A lot of it is that 631 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 5: everybody has to have their say. There's procedural requirements that 632 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 5: you have to go through, and you know, a human 633 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 5: being as to read every comment, even when there's thousands 634 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 5: of comments. So we have to do it right. But 635 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 5: we're working on things to keep up the record we've 636 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,239 Speaker 5: had of protecting consumers, protecting workers. But what I already know, 637 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 5: even though we're not done, we will leave America's transportation 638 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 5: systems better than we found them. Fewer people are dying 639 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 5: on our roads. Long way to go, but fewer people 640 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 5: are dying on our roads. I think we've made a 641 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 5: lot of important advances on aviation safety. We've made major 642 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 5: advances on passenger protection, your ability to get a refund 643 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 5: or get your hotel covered or something else if you 644 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 5: get stuck. Airlines are suing over that, by the way, too, 645 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 5: we have to play some defense here, but we've done 646 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 5: that rail workers, and we came in something like less 647 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 5: than ten percent of railroad workers could even get sick leave, 648 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 5: and now that guarantee is available over ninety percent of 649 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 5: railroad workers. 650 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: Supply chains. 651 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 5: You remember the first year they said Christmas was canceled, 652 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 5: all the ships were backed up. You know, we came 653 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 5: in and encountered the biggest set of transportation problems to 654 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 5: hit the country at once since nine to eleven, from 655 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 5: the airlines about to go out of business, to supply 656 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 5: chain you couldn't get toilet paper, all that stuff. Trains, 657 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 5: and every one of those has got better. I can't 658 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 5: say any one of them is one hundred percent fixed, 659 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 5: but every one of them is better, and just as important, 660 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:02,640 Speaker 5: the trajectory is better used to be. When we talked 661 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 5: about our roads, our bridges, the condition of our infrastructure, 662 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 5: every we knew that every year, it was going to 663 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 5: get worse because the backlog was growing faster than we 664 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 5: could do the projects. That was the whole idea of 665 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 5: the infrastructure I call it the Big Deal. That was 666 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 5: the whole idea of the Big Deal was We're not 667 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 5: just gonna keep playing catch up. We're actually going to 668 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 5: change the trajectory. But the nature of my I mean, 669 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 5: the satisfying part about our work is that for the 670 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 5: next few years, I'll be able to look at things 671 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 5: still being built and improved because of what we didn't 672 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 5: because of what President Biden did. But the unsatisfying part 673 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 5: about it is the same the other side of the 674 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 5: same coin, that's it's going to take a while. 675 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 7: Well, I have one since you used to your talking 676 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 7: generics around the grants. Is there any way that we 677 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 7: can talk to the airlines about these ticket prices because 678 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 7: they're surging and that's. 679 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: Crazy, They're crazy. 680 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, Atlanta used to be two hundred, three hundred dollars 681 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 2: now six seven hundred dollars to fly to Atlanta. 682 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 6: I'm gonna throw one out that might get John Trump. 683 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 7: I don't know of their sponsor, American, Like the American Airlines, 684 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,479 Speaker 7: tickets are like a thousand dollars more than everybody else's 685 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 7: right now. 686 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 5: Where you're trying to what route you're talking about, because 687 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 5: I'm wist saying, because it does depend like as a category, 688 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 5: it's actually one of the few areas where prices went 689 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 5: down a little bit instead of up with all the inflation. 690 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 5: But that's an average, right, if you're talking about a 691 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,479 Speaker 5: certain airline or a certain route, and the biggest thing 692 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 5: that we can do about that is competition, right, I mean, 693 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 5: just that's how it's supposed to work. And the truth is, 694 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 5: even though the airline industry lobby will say, you know, 695 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 5: there's lots of there's all these flights, there's all these airlines, 696 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 5: all these routes, a lot of times for a particular route, 697 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 5: there's maybe two airlines actually serving those particular that particular combination, right, 698 00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 5: so it turns into a duopoly. And you know, one 699 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 5: of the big problems we've had in the aviation sector 700 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 5: is we've gone from dozens of airlines to a dozen 701 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 5: airlines to now basically a big four and the low 702 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 5: cost airlines, which everybody's mad at because of the passenger experience, 703 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 5: but also it's really hard for them to compete it's 704 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 5: why we intervened on the merger that was proposed. Was 705 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 5: that blue because having even fewer airlines means you have 706 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 5: even fewer choices, and it means it's less likely you're 707 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 5: going to get a good airfare. 708 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 7: Well, the one that I'm thinking about, I'm based in Seattle. 709 00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 7: The one that I'm thinking about mostly is Seattle to JFK, 710 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 7: and American has a partnership with Alaska Airlines. Alaska Airlines, 711 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 7: that same flight will be one thousand dollars less than American. 712 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 7: I don't understand that interesting. It's very weird, so something 713 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 7: to look at days. But it's to your point. It's 714 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 7: New York to Atlanta. It's LA to Atlanta very expensive. Yeah, 715 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 7: well Florida flights the almost three thousand dollars. 716 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw you. 717 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 4: Say Trump can't get rid of the new airline refint 718 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 4: rules though you said it's the law Atlanta. 719 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:49,080 Speaker 1: Right, that's right. 720 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, it got put into the FAA bill, So it 721 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 5: would take an Act of Congress to get ready to 722 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 5: try to get. 723 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: Rid of the automatic refunds. 724 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 5: And I would love to be there if anybody in 725 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 5: Congress tries to get rid of that, because that's really important, 726 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 5: and the whole idea there was that not just that 727 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 5: you can get a refund, but you can get a 728 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 5: refund without having to ask, because what was happening was 729 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 5: it was on the books that you could get a 730 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 5: refund and cancelation or some of these situations we had 731 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 5: to ask for. You had to fight for it. 732 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: Sometimes an airline. 733 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 5: Would say, well, we'll give you five thousand miles, and 734 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,280 Speaker 5: that sounds pretty good, but if you actually do the math, 735 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 5: that's worth like maybe fifty bucks and you're entitled to 736 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 5: you know, hundreds. So just saying okay, if you want 737 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 5: something different, like if you tell the airline, don't give 738 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 5: me the money back, I'd rather take a rebooking or 739 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:31,719 Speaker 5: don't give me the money back. 740 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 1: I'd rather take your miles. 741 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 5: Fine, great, but you have to choose. It's opt out 742 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 5: rather than opt in, and if you don't say anything, 743 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 5: you just get your money. I think it's common sense. 744 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 5: I think it's a good policy, and I'm really glad 745 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 5: that Congress packed us up on that and that some 746 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 5: of the other things they could undo, but that they 747 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 5: couldn't undo unless Congress went along with it. 748 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 4: I know you to h yeah, ea questions I got 749 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 4: one more question, because you know, one thing I always 750 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 4: give you credit for is you are not afraid to 751 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 4: show up to speak to people who. 752 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 3: You may not agree with. 753 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 4: And you always come speak to people you know, regardless 754 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 4: of whether it's campaigns either or not. So we always 755 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 4: appreciate that. But to me, that's something you can't teach 756 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 4: like that has to be in you. So where did 757 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 4: that come from? Why aren't you afraid to show up 758 00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 4: in spaces A lot of Democrats don't. 759 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,280 Speaker 5: I think it comes from growing up in a place 760 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 5: where lots of people, including people I really like, don't 761 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 5: agree with me, but we're friends and we just talk 762 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 5: about it. And I think you get advised and counseled 763 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 5: not to take any risks when you get into a 764 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,720 Speaker 5: job like mine, for very understandable reasons, right because anything 765 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 5: you say gets picked apart. But if you pay too 766 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 5: much attention to that, nothing you say, you don't say 767 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 5: anything interesting. You're not talking like you're talking to somebody 768 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 5: you actually know, and people feel that, they smell that, 769 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,480 Speaker 5: and I think younger people especially feel that and smell that, 770 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 5: And so I think it's probably just because of how 771 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 5: it came up. 772 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 2: Any last ones you're good. 773 00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 6: I'm good. I asked about my plane take. 774 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 7: I'm like, if I can't give anything else one hundred 775 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,640 Speaker 7: thirty eighties, I mean, I want to parton for Marylynd 776 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 7: most be as well. We'd love to have your sport 777 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 7: on that. But yeah, I just would like for things 778 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 7: to feel fair, especially now since Donald Trump said always 779 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 7: going to. 780 00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 6: Be hard to increase the price of groceries. 781 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 4: You let's find out you did say something. Plan is 782 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 4: safe as oh, I think for politicians, do you think that? 783 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:21,839 Speaker 3: Yeah? 784 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 5: I mean it doesn't mean you jump on a political 785 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 5: land mine every time you see one. 786 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 3: Do those exist anymore? 787 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: Yeah? 788 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,279 Speaker 5: I think so you still get in big trouble for 789 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 5: saying this or that or I don't know. But to me, 790 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 5: it's okay as long as you're if you're in a 791 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,880 Speaker 5: controversy because it's something you actually did or said or believed, 792 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,960 Speaker 5: and it's controversial versus like you put a foot wrong, 793 00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,240 Speaker 5: or you phrase something the wrong way, or somebody twisted 794 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 5: what you had to say. You know, I always wanted 795 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,839 Speaker 5: to be held accountable based on results. This is part 796 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,280 Speaker 5: of why I got especially fired up during Helene about 797 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 5: the hurricane Helen about the misinformation that was going on, 798 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 5: because it's one thing to to have it back and 799 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 5: forth over something that's actually happening, and it's another if 800 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 5: people aren't even looking at the same reality. So in 801 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:14,280 Speaker 5: terms of what risks people take in politics, look, you 802 00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 5: you also tend to take more risks when you're out 803 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,439 Speaker 5: of power, and so I think you might see more 804 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,759 Speaker 5: creativity from the team that just got beat. That's just 805 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 5: kind of the nature of things. But yeah, I mean, 806 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,080 Speaker 5: for my time, it's always better to just say what 807 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 5: you think, explain yourself, and then if people don't like it, 808 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 5: at least they're mad at you over something real instead 809 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 5: of some misunderstanding. 810 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,200 Speaker 4: Do you feel like Democrats, Well, we know they are, 811 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 4: But when did the Democrats get so out of touch 812 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 4: with the needs of the American people? 813 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 1: That'd be a whole other hour. I think. 814 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 5: I think it's I think that's only half fair. So 815 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,359 Speaker 5: I think it's I think we are still the ones 816 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 5: who are more connected. If I just think about the 817 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,320 Speaker 5: policies of our administration, like they have been all about 818 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 5: making people lives better, everything down to make it easier 819 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 5: to get a hearing aid two thousand dollars cap on 820 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 5: Medicare insulin thirty five dollars insulin. We did that for seniors. 821 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 5: We could done that for everybody if Congressional Republicans hadn't 822 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 5: blocked us. I think we were right on the things 823 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,360 Speaker 5: that affect everyday life. But the half way I do 824 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,760 Speaker 5: agree with you is I think we got sucked into this, 825 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,319 Speaker 5: this kind of vocabulary and this like swirl over what 826 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 5: matters online and what matters in Washington. That meant a 827 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 5: lot of the folks that we get up in the 828 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 5: morning trying to help can't even hear us. Can't even 829 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,719 Speaker 5: make sense of what we're saying sometimes. And if if 830 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:42,000 Speaker 5: we can't, if we can't fix that, then it won't 831 00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 5: matter what our policies are because nobody will even know 832 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 5: that's right. 833 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:47,719 Speaker 3: I always say the language of politics is dad. 834 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 4: That's why there's only a few people, I feel in 835 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 4: the Democratic Party who are able to message what you're 836 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 4: talking about. Like, yes, y'all might have better policies, but 837 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 4: you know how a methage them. You know not how 838 00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 4: to promote them, you know how to market them. I 839 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 4: think you want to working on it. Shute is Bright, 840 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:02,320 Speaker 4: Secretary of Pete. 841 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,520 Speaker 2: Thanks, well, we have the Secretary of Transportation. We appreciate 842 00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 2: you for joining us. We're gonna call you in a 843 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 2: couple of weeks. Off them drones. Keep going, man, we 844 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 2: need it, We need answers. 845 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 1: It's people to judge. 846 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 2: It's the Breakfast Club. 847 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 3: Good morning. 848 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,320 Speaker 1: Wake that ass up Earth in the morning. 849 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 3: The Breakfast Club.