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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left Sense Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is Jeff Garland. You know him from

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Speaker 1: The Goldbergs, you know from Curb Your Enthusiasm. Jeff, great

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Speaker 1: to have you here. It is an honor to be

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Speaker 1: here as a man who reads your newsletters when actually

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Speaker 1: every day pretty much every day. Yea, I love it.

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Speaker 1: And I contacted you to request to be on. I

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Speaker 1: want to be clear. You didn't have to ask me.

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Speaker 1: I requested to be on with you. So Jeff, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: how come you're younger and more beautiful in real life?

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Speaker 1: I am. I hear that a lot and I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but you know, people say that, which also means the

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Speaker 1: flip side. I don't look so good on TV. You

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Speaker 1: know where I do look good? I could, ah, you

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Speaker 1: do use the old Warren baby thing. I look good

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Speaker 1: on film, I really do. I'm even thinking of shooting

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Speaker 1: my Next Day and Up special on thirty five millimeter

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Speaker 1: if I don't do it at Netflix. Netflix for bids

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Speaker 1: film for beds film, and I'm a I'm a pro

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Speaker 1: Netflix guy. I don't have any problems with the streaming

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Speaker 1: into the theater. It's like you gotta deal with what's

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Speaker 1: going on, which is what you write about all the time.

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Speaker 1: It's like, you, sure, I'd love it if if movies

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Speaker 1: like The Long Goodbye or any Robert altmon moot type

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Speaker 1: movie could play in the theater and sustain itself for

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Speaker 1: six months. That's not the world we live in. You

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Speaker 1: have to make that movie for Netflix. Absolutely, So let's

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Speaker 1: go back a little bit, okay, or afford at the

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Speaker 1: same time, let's do both. Is Wrighty funk hous are

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Speaker 1: gonna be mentioned in the new season of Curb Your Enthusiast.

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Speaker 1: He has mentioned, Yes, we did mention him. Um Bob

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Speaker 1: at first had that being Bob Einstein character playing Marty

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Speaker 1: funk Kauser. He at first had pneumonia and we were

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Speaker 1: all talking to him and I am gonna be okay,

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Speaker 1: don't worry. And then shortly thereafter, when he was on

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Speaker 1: the end, he found out he had bone cancer and

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Speaker 1: he was gone in weeks. It's unbelievable the way life

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Speaker 1: works with that stuff, you know, it's really devastating. I've

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Speaker 1: been thinking about it that you know, you think you're

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Speaker 1: gonna live forever. I have been to have the CML leukemia,

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Speaker 1: which is the only cancer there's a pill four. But

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Speaker 1: it wakes you up when I've diagnosed tangers, deal that

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to live forever and there's a limited

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Speaker 1: amount of Now you've had a heart attack, what was that?

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Speaker 1: You know? I didn't have got a stroke? Stroke at

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Speaker 1: a stroke, and I've had heart problems and I've had

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Speaker 1: all sorts of help. Let's start with the beginning. How

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Speaker 1: does one get a stroke? Is there anything about your physicality?

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Speaker 1: It was a purely chance it was. I had back

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Speaker 1: surgery and after they did it. I'm not saying who

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Speaker 1: did Okay, No, it's funny because back that I'd want

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Speaker 1: to talk off Mike. I've been to see all the

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Speaker 1: back doctors in l A. Yeah. Yeah, So I went

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Speaker 1: to one of them, who, by the way, excellent, except

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Speaker 1: for after the surgery, my left eye was drooping and

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Speaker 1: my wife would say your eyes ripping and go, well,

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Speaker 1: what does that have to do with you know? And

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Speaker 1: then I was so stressed. I had gotten and I've

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Speaker 1: gotten rear ended, which led to the back surgery, and

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Speaker 1: I got so stressed and that I developed through stress

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Speaker 1: and injury, I developed diabetes. Also, by the way, I

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Speaker 1: want to throw in being fat and not taking care

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Speaker 1: of myself. But that's all it takes to flip the

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Speaker 1: domino and you're off to the races. I woke up

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Speaker 1: one morning the room was spinning. I thought I had

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Speaker 1: vert vertigo of some sort, and it turned out to

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Speaker 1: couldn't stand all that sort of stuff went to cedars,

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Speaker 1: and nobody took responsibility for my stroke. It was because

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Speaker 1: of this, because of that, and I am and have

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Speaker 1: been for many years. I don't want to say fully recovered.

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Speaker 1: I never was as quick, both mentally and or physical.

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Speaker 1: Really it was. Yeah, but I'm talking about nuances that

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Speaker 1: I know. No, No, I have the same thing when

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Speaker 1: I take medication. I complain to my doctors all the

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Speaker 1: same time. You might think I'm fine, But the way

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Speaker 1: I connect words and all these other things, I've lost something, right, right, right,

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Speaker 1: right right. I really am bad at names more than anything.

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Speaker 1: I was always bad, and then it went to all

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Speaker 1: I forget lots of things. Here's the thing. In order

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Speaker 1: as an improviser, as a stand up comedian, I need

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Speaker 1: to have eaten well and slept well. If I sleep

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Speaker 1: in two days. Well, what people don't realize, you know,

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Speaker 1: because it's a badge of honor to wake up early

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Speaker 1: you can't function, you can't make it either way. Many

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Speaker 1: of the days that I have worked on the goldbergs

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Speaker 1: and or curb your enthusiasm, I've done it on zero sleep.

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Speaker 1: And the only thing that you know is like I

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Speaker 1: have a lot of energy early on that day, and

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Speaker 1: then in the afternoon it's just it's over. And then

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Speaker 1: you better hope that you're not filming the next day

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Speaker 1: because that's the recovery day. So that's the day that'll

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Speaker 1: night's sleep, you're screwed. Two days. It's a two day screwing. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So let's go back to the beginning. Yes, you were

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Speaker 1: born in Chicago, Chicago, Illinois, June nine, sixty two. So

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Speaker 1: you're not quite sixty yet, you're still in that fifties.

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Speaker 1: Will you still think you're young? Yes? Okay, well I

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Speaker 1: don't think I'm young, but fifties is a delightful decade. Well.

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Speaker 1: The funny thing people don't realize, for all the emphasis

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Speaker 1: lay better. My mental steak as compared to when I

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Speaker 1: was in my twenties, you cannot compare the two oties

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Speaker 1: even for their exactly, but you know, it's a secret

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Speaker 1: So what did your parents do for a living? My

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Speaker 1: father was my family had a plumbing supply business in Chicago, Okay,

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Speaker 1: actually don't know what led them. I know my grandfather

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Speaker 1: mother always lived vicariously through me. And I can tell

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Speaker 1: I was funny from I'm not exaggerating nursery school on.

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Speaker 1: I was always the funniest kid and pretty popular, not

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Speaker 1: an outcast, which is weird. The funny guys usually oh

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Speaker 1: So okay, to see Jimmy Duranty. So I'm watching Jimmy Duranty,

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Speaker 1: I would say, why would Oprah need to do live dates?

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Speaker 1: get that hit from an audience then live right, Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Letterman came out to do you. Okay, But This begs

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Speaker 1: and I have discovered like I get joy from your newsletter,

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Speaker 1: It's about their job that day, their love life, there,

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Speaker 1: did all these things because she could sing and do

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00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,360
Speaker 1: the stuff. She got my brother to be in it,

423
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 1: really when he was little, and she got my father

424
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 1: to be the one guy who went on to become

425
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,880
Speaker 1: a professional. I would never do it, wouldn't be caught dead. No,

426
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 1: really why because I thought it was stupid. You know,

427
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: when I was little, she wanted to take me to

428
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,639
Speaker 1: the sound of music. I wanted to go see a

429
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 1: Kung Fu movie, a monster movie, you know something else. Bullet.

430
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: I remember my dad and I watched Bullet together. Thank

431
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: God for the invention of BHS because we watched Bullet.

432
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 1: I've seen Bullet a hundred times just on VHS alone,

433
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 1: let alone, owning the blue ray now and the DVD

434
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 1: and the digital copy and iTunes. Wow, so you have

435
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: access to it whenever I got a group for bullet,

436
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 1: I can get it anytime I want my eye bad anywhere. Okay,

437
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: So a good student or bad student? Bad student? How bad? Well?

438
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 1: I had a d D and I didn't know it.

439
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 1: Plus I was all about entertaining the other kids. And

440
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 1: now you know a d D. Today the kids take medication.

441
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,479
Speaker 1: Did you ever take mediation? I did not find out

442
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: I had a d D until it was twenty four,

443
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,199
Speaker 1: maybe twenty five. And did you ever experiment taking the medication? No,

444
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: because there was it wasn't around. By the way, the

445
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 1: term a d D. When I was in high school

446
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: ever said that just someone who couldn't been I would.

447
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 1: I was a poster boy for that if I had

448
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 1: a d D. Because I'm I think I'm an intelligent person.

449
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 1: So I think if I had a d D, I

450
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 1: would have been more successful in school. And I dropped

451
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: out of college. I went to University of Miami for film,

452
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,880
Speaker 1: but I dropped out to become a comedian. Okay, let's

453
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 1: go back your father. Your father was owning a pretty

454
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 1: successful business for when he sold it. But this is

455
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: thing he sold it, Well, my grandfather sold it, and

456
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 1: then my father proceeded to he went. We moved from

457
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 1: Chicago to South Florida, a little bit slower. So your

458
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: father owned your grandfather owned it, and your father was

459
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: working there, was working there, owned a part of it.

460
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: He got a piece of it. So did my uncle,

461
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: my dad's brother. So why did your grandfather decide to

462
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 1: sell it? He wanted to retire to Florida and didn't

463
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 1: want to keep it going. And uh, it was a

464
00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: bone of contention between my father and him to keep

465
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 1: it going in by the way, I don't know if

466
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 1: it's still called Bilko, but that company went in to

467
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:17,399
Speaker 1: be a hundred million dollar gigantic company. Oh that's like

468
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 1: you know, you killed my dad, right, Okay, So your

469
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: father moved to Florida, Florida with my grandparents were down

470
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 1: intending to do what the first first thing he did.

471
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: And when we moved down here, he had to have

472
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: been early thirties, I mean not here, but South Florida.

473
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: And he went first into real estate and then he

474
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 1: became and he did this for years. He was a

475
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 1: legal administrator. He ran law offices because when he was

476
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: working in the plumbing supply. He was studying to be

477
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: a lawyer. But my father also had a d D.

478
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: And with two very wild children, it was not gonna happen.

479
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: And so would you have considered yourselves upper middle class

480
00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: during your I my life varied from lower middle class

481
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: to upper middle class to lower middle like back and

482
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: forth in my Okay, but like, did you go on

483
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: family vacations? We went on family vacations. But we when

484
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,119
Speaker 1: I was very young, during the plumbing supply years, we

485
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: go down to South Florida to the Beau Rivage, which

486
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: cost a lot of money, in nice hotel in Miami Beach.

487
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 1: And then years later I remember we go on vacation

488
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 1: to holiday in places. So I'm saying we bounced around.

489
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: And being from Chicago and with the with the upbringing

490
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: that I had, I consider myself very blue collar. Like

491
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: I'm a self a blue collar. That's the Chicago mentality.

492
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 1: It's a Chicago mentality with sort of now, yes, I

493
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: had moments of upper middle class, but I never thought

494
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: of Okay, would you consider Chicago hot dogs and pizza

495
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: to be the best hot dogs? Yes? Why? Because they're

496
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: I here's the thing, forget why Vienna hot dogs eaten

497
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 1: at the at the cafeteria at the Vienna hot Dog

498
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: Factory are about as good as you can get. I

499
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: didn't know you can do that. You can do it.

500
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 1: My friend on Clark Street their movies on YouTube of

501
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: hot dug being made and they gross you out. Can

502
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: you tour the Vienna Factory? Well, by the way, I

503
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: don't know, I'm sure you can. Ira Glass did a

504
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 1: story on this American Life, or maybe it was for

505
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: prior to This American Life. He did a story and

506
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: what it was they discovered they they automated a part

507
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: of their thing and the hot dogs weren't coming out right.

508
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: So they literally had to do a thing where a

509
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: guy had to wheel him on a cart for this

510
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: exact period of time from one building to another. And

511
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: it still does. I don't know how they do it exactly,

512
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: because it wasn't coming out right and what and the

513
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: color wasn't right? Because what about pizza pizza? It's a

514
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 1: deep dish pizza in Chicago. Loom Male Nadies is my favorite, delightful.

515
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: It does not compare to New York pizza. New York

516
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: then sliced pizza. Come on, that's the best. Actually, I

517
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: think have you been Have you been to Peppi's in

518
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:08,159
Speaker 1: New Haven? No? No, But what I'm saying I understand,

519
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: I understand Northeast. We're talking as it eat or is

520
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: your last meal? What do you want to eat? Geez,

521
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: I don't have that. That's like asking me about bucket list. Crap.

522
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: I don't have a bucket list. I don't have a

523
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: last meal. Okay. So, by the way, I'm happiest in

524
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: a deli. And what do you eat in the deli? Oh?

525
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: It can vary everything from mazza bride to locks and

526
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: bagel to a pastrami sandwich to but those are three, Okay.

527
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: Can you get a good bagel in Los Angeles? The

528
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: only bagel that's really good is one called Bagel Broker,

529
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: which is on Beverly just Um east of Fairfax. Really

530
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 1: Bagel Broke, because you know, a friend of mine from

531
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: Toronto emailed me that Friedman's has a to to bagel.

532
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: There's Montreal bagels, which are a little bit different. It

533
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 1: intrigues because I remember growing up a bagel was something

534
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: like if you you could break a tooth biting into

535
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: it and that hard shell. Where's bagel's today are too soft.

536
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: But well they're more role like. That's not my but

537
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: but by way to me, a bagel should be hard

538
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: on the outside and soft exactly. Yeah, yeah, I know

539
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: that's go to New York exactly. Well, New York and

540
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: hard to find it. So where do you move to

541
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: in Florida? I moved to South Florida Plantation, Florida, which

542
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: is just west of Fort Lauderdale, Florida. And how old

543
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: were you when you moved? Oh jeez, I was what great? Uh?

544
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: Sixth grade? So was it a hard transition? It was

545
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: a very difficult transition. The suburbs of Chicago too, And

546
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: and I get an argument with my I have a

547
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: friend from New Orleans and she's like, Florida is not

548
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: the South, especially South Florida. And I'm afraid it is

549
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: the South because as much as there's the ocean in

550
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: a different type of bye, the more you go inland,

551
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: there's a lot of quote crackers, there's a lot of Southerners.

552
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: I was the first Jew. A lot of kids but

553
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: black and white ever met. It also helped me develop

554
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,959
Speaker 1: my humor, because my humor got me out of fights,

555
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: and then if it didn't thank God. I'm a big,

556
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: strong guy, so you know not, I didn't get picked

557
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: on as much as so do you think it affected

558
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: your comedy and your career moving at sixth grade? Yes,

559
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: without a doubt, without a doubt, because um, it's just

560
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: any adversity or change for an artist as a as

561
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: a kid is good. And I'm not saying I had

562
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: a dysfunction here or this happened, and therefore I use

563
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: that negativity to be a comedian. But all adversity for

564
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 1: not only comedy, just success makes you more interesting the

565
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: more you go through. It makes you way. So the

566
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: advert city and the difference in moving to Florida only

567
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: helped my comedic perspective. Okay. And at what point you

568
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: went to see Jimmy Durant in Chicago? Yes? At what

569
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: point did you say I'm a professional start working on

570
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: your comedy when I was I? Um, I was twenty

571
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: years old and I dropped out of school. Okay, let's

572
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: pause that for a second. You go to high school

573
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: being melting pot public high school? Yes? And are you popular?

574
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: I'm the most popular kid in school, really, unequivocally. Okay.

575
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: And if you look up my school on the Instagram,

576
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: it talks about me going out and being famous and no, no,

577
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: not God. And by the way, you know it's so funny.

578
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: I don't like people having phones at my shows. But

579
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm not afraid of stayings thing stupid. I

580
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: know I'll say something stupid, what But what I do

581
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: know I'm not gonna say is something ignorant. I know

582
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: I will never say something ignorant. I don't have it

583
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: in me. Will I say something embarrassing and stupid, you

584
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: bet I will, it's not if it's when, but not ignorant.

585
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: So when I was in high school, I never, by

586
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: the way, I never know when in my high school

587
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: did that stuff. We were a very tight high school.

588
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: And I'm talking colors, religions. It was people got along.

589
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: The only time there was a period, I remember there

590
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: was rioting in in Um part of Miami. I'm trying

591
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: to remember Overtown in South in Miami, and I remember

592
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: that the blacks at school were a bit agitated, but

593
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: they're hanging out with the same white guys that were

594
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: always there. And I remember two guys and there was

595
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 1: crowds around him. Almost came to blow as a black

596
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: and a white guy it was me that broke it up.

597
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: It was with laughs. I got so many laughs that

598
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: the guy shook hands and there was never a fight.

599
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: And were you did you have girlfriends? In high school?

600
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,719
Speaker 1: I dated girls. I was very popular with girls. I

601
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: did not have until I got married. I was how

602
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: old were you when you got married? I got married

603
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: at thirty two and I'm now just about divorced a

604
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: wonderful woman who I will never say anything bad about.

605
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: And I should get credit for that. I shouldn't get

606
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: credit for that. Well, why are you getting divorced them?

607
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: It's just, you know, things run their their thing, you

608
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I want to talk about,

609
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: you know, the deep personal things of that with her.

610
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 1: But I have nothing but respect for She's the mother

611
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: of my children. I never understand how people have split

612
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: up and they hate each other. I don't. I mean,

613
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: I get it, but I don't get it. So, but

614
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: what I wanted to say is, prior to my wife,

615
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: my record for going out with anybody was two months.

616
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: Two months. Well, why was your wife so special that

617
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: she stuck? I don't know. I loved her and she

618
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: didn't give up on me. I think all the other

619
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: ones gave up on me, and my wife did not

620
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 1: give up on me. God bless her. Okay, so you're going,

621
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: and I had to have a great life because of her.

622
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: I'm a better artist because of her, you know. And

623
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:16,959
Speaker 1: and my children. I have two boys, eight and twenty two.

624
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: I'm madly in love with them. What do they do

625
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: all day? Um? The younger one is interning at a

626
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: clothing company downtown and the older one works on the

627
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: set of Curb Your Enthusiasm and he's an extraordinarily gifted

628
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: comedic actor. Now as a father, I go, it's great

629
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: to say that, But Larry David will say to me,

630
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: James is his name. James is the funniest kid I've

631
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: ever met. I just look at him and I want

632
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: to leave. The dude's funny. But trying to get them

633
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: motivated to see this is your gift. Because I actually

634
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: talk about this in my stand up. I tell people,

635
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: don't follow your dreams unless your dreams are what you're

636
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 1: great at. Let's say you're a singer, you live in St. Louis,

637
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 1: about to graduate high school, and you're like, oh, do

638
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: I go pursue my dream in l A. But you

639
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: know what I'm really good at math. I'm great at math.

640
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: I say, become a great accountant, and with the extra

641
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: money from your successful accounting career, because that's what you're

642
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: great at, buy some recording time, record yourself. How are

643
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: some musicians play that music for your friends and let

644
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: them tell you that you made the right decision. Well,

645
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: you know, I think this is very wise advice. I

646
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: think all the time. You know, in the tech business

647
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: they call it pivoting if it's not working. I mean,

648
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 1: I believe at most is talent, the other is desire.

649
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: By the way, there's so much that goes in, but

650
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: so many people don't even have the talent to put

651
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: the idea with this. All day long, people email me

652
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 1: there's stuff this, but I don't listen to most of it.

653
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: You can't respond because as soon as you tell them

654
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: they're not great, they go berserk. I've had a lot

655
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: of bad experiences, but it's rare that someone has the ability,

656
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: never mind the mindset and willingness to do what it

657
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: takes to make it. You know, when I get to

658
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: the improv, I'm at the improv here in l A

659
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: most every Friday. There's they have two rooms. I love

660
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: this room. Called the lab, and before I go into

661
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: do my show, I stopped into the other room and

662
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: I just watched one or two comedians. And rarely, rarely,

663
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 1: I mean I think once or twice have I got thought,

664
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: who's that? That's great? The rest of the time it's

665
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: either oh straight shrugged my shoulders or me thinking to myself,

666
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: who the hell told you this is something that you're

667
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: good at? Now. This reminds me of going to the

668
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: Fillmore East uh in December seventies see Laura Nero. I

669
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: was a big fan of Laura Nero. For those who

670
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: know rock history, the manager was David Geffen because also

671
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 1: the manager of Jackson Brown, who we put on the bill,

672
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: didn't have a record for over a year after that.

673
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: But here's a guy playing alone on the guitar, playing people,

674
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: and you, holy sh it, this guy's got it. This

675
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: guy's got Notarbably, if you don't know the material, whenever

676
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: you say hey, you're unimpressed. But I can only tell

677
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: one story like that. By the way, Jackson is good enough.

678
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: He's my pal too. Okay, So you go to University

679
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: of Miami and then you drop out at age twenty, Yes,

680
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 1: aged twenty dropped out. My dad insisted that I keep

681
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: going to school. I went to Broward Community College because

682
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: he kept on going. You need something to fall back on.

683
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: He didn't believe in it, but I passed auditions my

684
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: first night at the comic strip in Fort Lauderdale. Okay,

685
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: you no doubt that that I was doing what he

686
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,880
Speaker 1: had you done to rehearse for that. Um, I was

687
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: ignorant enough to think that you could rehearse, so I

688
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: put together. I did a joke. Oh, the worst joke

689
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: about uh. I asked my teacher if I could can

690
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: I go to the bathroom. She'd say, I don't know,

691
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: can you? I felt like paying on her desk, And

692
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: that was my first joke. Then I did an impression

693
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: of Adam West, which is the only impression, by the way.

694
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 1: People don't know he played Batman that I do. An

695
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: old Black man and an old Jewish man and Adam West.

696
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: Those are my three, and they're not embarrassing. I think

697
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: they're very act I would do all three for you.

698
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: Here's here's the first. Here's Adam West. It appears to me,

699
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: Commissioner Gordon, that the Joker, Riddler and the Penguin have escaped,

700
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: so help me if they harm aunt Harriet. That's Adam West. Okay,

701
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: we've been doing since I was a kid. Okay, here's

702
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: old Jewish Man. I gotta tell you, we're gonna go

703
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: down and we're gonna have the most delicious meal you've

704
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,879
Speaker 1: ever had. The Old Black Man is so similar. It's

705
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: just changing a few So what we did was we

706
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: went down and they were qorded us. We didn't never

707
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: see the microphones. Is then we go down. I got

708
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: my guitar, I got I'm playing slot and they're listening.

709
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, They're very they boat. This

710
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: is what they have between them. You know, it's like

711
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: I got that, okay forgetting you, but I was me.

712
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: I'm asking a different question forgetting you. To what degree

713
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: is comedy changed since you started? Oh geez, well, it's

714
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 1: changed in one way and one way only, and that

715
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: is when I started there. When I started, yeah, there

716
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: was cable TV in two but in general, we went

717
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: through the same landscape together as people young old. We

718
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: knew the same references. I could do a Larry Tate

719
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: reference from Bewitched, and I knew the audience would know

720
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 1: who I'm talking about. No longer can you do any

721
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: pop culture references. It's like there was always a law

722
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: early on, don't do sports. Don't talk about sports, you

723
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: lose the audience. Well, I gotta tell you, I think

724
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: you have a better shot of hooking in the audience

725
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: talking about an NFL football team than you do talking

726
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: about pop culture. That more people are together on understanding

727
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: a sport than they are about any particular That's one

728
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: of the reasons I think that SNL doesn't work. It's

729
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: like they used to have all the Star Trek and

730
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: all the Samurai stuff whatever, and they don't have those

731
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: hooks because no one has actually seen all these shows. No,

732
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: but that's why. By the way, the only time that

733
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 1: they can do good with anything with pop culture is

734
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: when they do a game show, because that's timeless. Like

735
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: when I just saw recently with John Mullania What's in

736
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: her Name or what's the Name? I was grabbing my

737
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 1: stomach laughing, which is rare for SNL. It was fantastic.

738
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: But the stuff that they do with with sort of

739
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: real husband wife characters and same with stand up man.

740
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 1: So I when I go on stage, what I talk

741
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 1: about is life, my life. The audience is life experiencing

742
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: things that we all share, no matter who our favorite

743
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: singer is, no matter what TV show we watch, we

744
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: share certain things and that so it really does separate

745
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: comics because you really, you know, I'll watch certain comics

746
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: and I'll go you think everyone digs what you're saying,

747
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: or you think everyone politically agrees with what you're you're saying,

748
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: it's an assumption that's wrong. It's a wrong assumption. You

749
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: have to talk about what you're It's like it's a

750
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 1: fine line. I think it's really important to talk about

751
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: what you're passionate about, but also taken to account. So

752
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: you have to present it in a way that an

753
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: audience knows, this is what you're passionate about, and lo

754
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: and behold if you guys groove, that's fantastic. Like I

755
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: talk about what you think is funny because it's popular,

756
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: Like every time you read about Ariana Grande. We're at

757
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: a point in pop culture where it's about being popular,

758
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: it's not about being great. The coach Ello lineup, for example.

759
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: So I can say the same thing amongst comedy. When

760
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: I was a younger comedian, if you were a hack,

761
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 1: a popular hack, let's say Gallagher, it's not like Gallagher

762
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: would walk into a local club and people would be

763
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: nice and ask him if he wants to go up.

764
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: You'd be polite because he's fucking galling just because of

765
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: decent be a decent person. But it wouldn't be like wow. Now,

766
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: I see this in the comedy world, where if you're

767
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: a famous comedian, whether you're good or not, everybody's excited

768
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 1: and they want to put you on. People are so

769
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: into the fame of it all, as opposed to this

770
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: person is great. Who's great today? Um? John Mullaney? I

771
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: just know John Mullaney. I saw him in the two

772
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: person show on US right with Nick Kroll. I thought

773
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: that was greatly makes him great? And I say, I

774
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: know he hasn't quite resonated yet. The jury's out with me,

775
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: but keep going. I think he's the only person who

776
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: uh Chappelle is magnificent. Um uh, I mean you have to.

777
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:03,479
Speaker 1: I'm my better at having someone say a name And Okay,

778
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: I understand. I don't like being put on the spot

779
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,879
Speaker 1: with because I don't believe me. I totally understand. Let's

780
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: go back, so you decide. So the very first night

781
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: you passed auditions, how long after that do you stop

782
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: going to school if I had my way at that moment.

783
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 1: But I love my father, and it was a lot

784
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: of fighting on our parts, even though we had great

785
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: love for each other in respect. My dad was an

786
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: affectionate kind man um and I had to work through

787
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,959
Speaker 1: the years. I dropped out of school maybe a year later,

788
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: and then he probably like three years later, four years later,

789
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,959
Speaker 1: told me I'm as funny as any comedian he's ever seen.

790
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: Which whatever how I heard from my parents was I

791
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: was a shiphead. That's not that's what I play on

792
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 1: the Goldberg's a guy who calls his kids from runs.

793
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: I would never call my kids. Okay, but your parents

794
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,479
Speaker 1: are not with us anymore, no, they My mom died

795
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: this past year. My dad died about five years ago.

796
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: But they were around to see your success very much.

797
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 1: So I dedicated I wrote a book about five years ago.

798
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 1: I dedicated that to my father. My father, by both

799
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: my parents not only saw Curb Your Enthusiasm. They were

800
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: on an episode of Curb Your Enthusist, which one the

801
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: one where Larry thinks he's saving a guy who's being

802
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: baptized in from drowning, But what he does is he

803
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: makes the guy changed his mind from being baptized. I

804
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: think he was marrying Cheryl's sister. My parents were the

805
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: group of part of the group of Jews. Okay, okay,

806
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: So at what point you go on you pass the audition,

807
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: At what point do you start making some money? Oh god,

808
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,320
Speaker 1: I so I started a comedy of twenty. I didn't

809
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: start making money until I was twenty six. I think

810
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 1: I made twenty in a year. That was in my

811
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: first year. Maybe that I made money, Um, but you

812
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: were not going to give up. No. And I had

813
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: day jobs, you know, like what, Well, my early on

814
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 1: I had everything from working. I worked in lots of

815
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: record stores because I knew a lot about me. Is like,

816
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: I worked in a surf shop. I was the only

817
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: guy in the surf shop. That was my favorite job

818
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 1: because the girls were so nice to me. When someone

819
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: came into trying to bikini, they called me over, asked

820
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,919
Speaker 1: me very very kind. Um. So I always had day jobs.

821
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,919
Speaker 1: And then in Chicago, I moved from Florida to Chicago. Okay,

822
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: So what you're doing when you're doing the day so

823
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 1: graves over the phone. Okay, Yeah, when you're doing these

824
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: day jobs, you're living at home. Yes, living at home.

825
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: So how do you decide to boot to Chicago. I

826
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: wanted to be in Second City. SETV was a big

827
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,319
Speaker 1: Monty Python and SETV were both big influences on me.

828
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: So I knew that Second City, which was the pipeline

829
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: to SNL and set V, I'm gonna do that. And

830
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: also I didn't want to move as a stand up

831
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: to New Yorker Los Angeles yet I checked them out,

832
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: but I would to check them out me. I went

833
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 1: to New York for a little while, I went to

834
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: l A for a while, and I just thought, Nope,

835
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: not ready for this yet. I want to get better.

836
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: And at the time, your act was not improvised. No,

837
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: I mean I could. I had improvised, but I didn't

838
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: know what I was doing it. So you go to

839
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: Chicago and where do you stay? I stayed with my

840
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: aunt and uncle and then I got an apartment. I

841
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: had said, how long did it take to get My

842
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: dad did something wonderful for me. My dad collected rent

843
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 1: when I was in Florida trying to make it because like,

844
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: you want to be a comedian, great, You're gonna have

845
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: to pay me rent. So I paid him rent and

846
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: then the day I moved out. He gave me all

847
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: the money back, and then I because he knew I

848
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't save it, So I saved this for you. He

849
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 1: gave it to me, and that's how I was able

850
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: to get an apartment. Okay, and you're in Chicago. How

851
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 1: long does it take to get into Second City? Oh?

852
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: It took me years to get into Second City. I

853
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: started working as a stand up pretty quickly. But Second City. Well,

854
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: the thing is, initially I started in classes the Second City.

855
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: They're not hiring me. I worked in the box office,

856
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: and I worked in the box office with Steve Colbert.

857
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: We worked in the box Was he Colbert then? Or Colbert?

858
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: He was Colbert? He was Stephen Colbert then. Yeah, he

859
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: was never Colbert. Okay, let's go back, because his brothers

860
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: and sisters are Colbert. Well, but but but he he

861
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: would have changed it to Colbert. I met him when

862
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 1: he was probably in his early twenties. Okay, so but switching.

863
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: He's now the king of late night TV. But forgetting that,

864
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: to what degree is being on one of those late

865
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: night shows beneficial these days? For a comedian? It's not

866
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: beneficial at all, except that a little legitimacy. So you

867
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: can say you did stand up on Colbert Show. You know,

868
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: it means nothing. When I was a kid, and when

869
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: I was a young stand up, I'm saying we still

870
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: lived in the age where you'd go on the Tonight

871
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: Show and if Johnny gave you the okay sign and

872
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: called you over, you probably were a star. I saw

873
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: rose Anne bar at the time. Of course, Dost goddess

874
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: saw what's his name who hosts the prices right now?

875
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: Oh Drew carry The other one I saw was out

876
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 1: of Boston, what's his name? The very dry wit one line,

877
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:14,439
Speaker 1: Stephen right. No, So that that's the world. Then there

878
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: was Letterman, where if you could be one of the

879
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: panel guys, Paul Rubens, Pee Wee Herman, Richard Lewis, Jay

880
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:26,240
Speaker 1: Leno all became stars from that, so you could become

881
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: a star. Well since then, and there might be an

882
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: exception or two. No, no stars, it does. I did

883
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,720
Speaker 1: Letterman back in the day as a stand up. People

884
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: saw it and it meant a lot, and it was

885
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: legitimizing and pretty big, But there was nobody calling me

886
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 1: the next day to develop something with me. I was

887
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 1: doing that on my own, Okay, but okay, so how

888
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: do you ultimately get into your in the box office?

889
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 1: How do you ultimately become a member of Second City?

890
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: In my case, somebody had quit and they had a

891
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: tour company, tour company to tour during company, someone had

892
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: quit and they had a space and they just were stuck,

893
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:07,720
Speaker 1: and so they go, oh, Jeff, you go on that gig.

894
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: Next thing. I know, I'm in the company and I'm

895
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: working my way up. I was fired and quit many

896
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:20,440
Speaker 1: times from Second Why were you fired? Well? I was fired?

897
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: Because why was I fired? I honestly don't know. I

898
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 1: think it was your work or your personality. Oh I

899
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 1: think it was. Here's why I was mostly fired. When

900
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: I was fired was because I was a stand up.

901
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: There was great competition if you they felt a Second

902
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: City from the office, although I had the office on

903
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: my side. The other actors were like, you wanted to

904
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: stand up? Go do that? And but what was cool

905
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: was the stand ups thought it was cool that I

906
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: was doing Second City. I was doing both and what

907
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: was I think? This is fascinating At Second City. When

908
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 1: I walked out on stage, the audience loved me, okay,

909
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 1: and my other actors didn't love me or respect me

910
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: so much, flip it around. When I was in stand

911
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: up and stand up was so hard. I go on stage.

912
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: The audience couldn't We're just like, what what is this?

913
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: We're not digging this, But the other comedians would be

914
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: in the back laughing at everything I was doing. Over

915
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: time and even doubt. But in that period I had

916
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 1: great adversity coming from both ends. Now, Second City, of course,

917
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 1: is a feeder. As you said to the television show

918
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: and also to SNL, was that a dream of yours?

919
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,479
Speaker 1: Or you just wanted to be on SNL so bad,

920
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 1: so bad? And did you have an audition? I had

921
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: a couple. First audition I had, as I'm walking, it's

922
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: a night. It was the night that Rob Schneider auditioned.

923
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: Who else? Um? It was that era. As I'm walking

924
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 1: to the stage, this is true, Um, Lauren Michael's left

925
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: walk doubt not, I don't think because of me. He

926
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 1: just had had enough. And I went on stage and

927
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: I saw him walk out, and my heart dropped. The

928
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: audience have no idea what's going on? And I told

929
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: the audience the truth about how I felt. I said,

930
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: I feel it's like my responsibility to perform for you,

931
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: but my heart has been broken. I can't do it.

932
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: They gave me a standing ovation, but I didn't get on.

933
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 1: Another time in New York, I auditioned for Marcy Klein.

934
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: She was the scout and I destroyed. I mean I

935
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: could not have been And then she proceeded to tell

936
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: my manager, we're only hiring women now, and so I

937
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: never got on. And I know that there's a lack

938
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 1: of sexiness to me, and I'm aware of it in

939
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: terms of hosting it now because um, musically especially it's

940
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 1: about pop stars. And then in terms of the host,

941
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: who's got who's hot and who's got the big movie.

942
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: If it's not one of those two, you ain't hosting,

943
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: you know, And I'm not sure it's such a badge

944
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,720
Speaker 1: of honor anymore anyway. Well, no, it nice to be asked,

945
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: but it is nice to be asked, and certainly it

946
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: doesn't have the same thing. Um. But I actually think

947
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: they're not bad right now. You know what I don't

948
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: like SNL. Believe it is the political skits. I think

949
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: they're boring. I find SNL is someone who certainly grew

950
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: up with the original cast. Too many of it, I

951
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: watch too many of the skits don't have a punch line.

952
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: No punch line. It's like the the the one of

953
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: those movies, not the screen movies, the ones that did

954
00:52:40,920 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: the parody of the screen movies. Oh yeah, yeah, I

955
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: can't remember that anyhow, they did a bunch of those.

956
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: Everything was a joke of recognition. It's all about Oh,

957
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 1: if I say this like that and look this, that's

958
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: all you need. And it's like, no, And by the way,

959
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: I don't even need jokes. I need scenarios. I need

960
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: to sit you. I think it's all set up. I

961
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: don't think anybody who's in this kind. I like to

962
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: work when i'm motivated, But if you're working against deadline,

963
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: people have no idea how hard it is to get it.

964
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: Very David never got anything on the show. That's all

965
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: you need to know, as I say, But as I say,

966
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: there's the little tiny thing. It's like I was talking

967
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 1: to Irving as off manages the Eagles. We're talking about

968
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: Don Henley. But Don Henley is notoriously finicky, shall we say,

969
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: they we're talking about a specific show, and look at you.

970
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: It's that one percent that makes it. The Eagles. You know,

971
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: you think it was no big deal to him. That's

972
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: one percent. That makes all the difference. Something about the

973
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: Eagles only recently. And I used to love them when

974
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: I was a kid, and then I liked them. I've

975
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,720
Speaker 1: always liked them, but I'm digging them so much, especially

976
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: their first album. They were really great and great so

977
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: I know they're still touring and stuff, but I'm I'm

978
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 1: about the original. But what it was was so spectacular

979
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: that that I I maybe took it for granted. You know,

980
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: look for me, it's about retrospect what was going on.

981
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: And they took a lot of crap. Anybody who's that

982
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:18,880
Speaker 1: successful takes crap. And they're not really lovable guys. But

983
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: the Glenn Fry, they had a memorial for him at

984
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: the Forum that Irving said I couldn't write about, and

985
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: most people don't know about. It was an amazing thing.

986
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: In terms of the performer, Stevie Wonder and uh Bob

987
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: Seger came out and did Heartache Tonight. Everybody wrote a

988
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: single did that, but Don Headley stood on stage and

989
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: for an hour told the story of the Eagles and

990
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: if you know your Eagles history. They were originally the

991
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: backup band for the Step They flew to play a

992
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 1: gig in Washington, d C. First gig of the tour.

993
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: The night before. Linda was there and Glenn Fry sat

994
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: up all night with Don Henley telling him what the

995
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: Eagles was going to be, literally for hours and hours

996
00:54:58,520 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: till the sun came up. It's like they knew what

997
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: they were doing. And but uh, let me try to

998
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 1: wind it back here a little bit. Can I just

999
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 1: say one other thing? Right? Sure? Of course? I love

1000
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:13,479
Speaker 1: um uh moments of uh what's it called when people

1001
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: just sort of catch their breath. Um. I want to

1002
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 1: thank Dan McCarroll on your show for introducing me to you.

1003
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: I had the only people who don't know Dan McCarroll

1004
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 1: right now. He's working in the Amazon Music for that.

1005
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: He was president of Warner brother for that, President Capital.

1006
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: But he started out as a drummer, Cheryl Crow's drummer

1007
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: that he being drummed in a band called the Grays.

1008
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 1: He is he's managed to survive with many have not.

1009
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: He most certainly has. And he is a gentleman, and

1010
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: he's got a great sense of humor. And I just

1011
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: love the guy, and I just want to say he

1012
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: got me, he said, He told me, I had to.

1013
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 1: And then when I get your newsletter or your email,

1014
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: and then I I mean, I can look through my

1015
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: mails of what i've my mail, what I've opened, and

1016
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:00,879
Speaker 1: it's your stuff. I can go through like the last

1017
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 1: thirty emails and two are opened and there you Well,

1018
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: it's kind of funny you mentioned in that, because you know,

1019
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: my mother now has dementia and this will not resonate

1020
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 1: with her. But I remember it's about fifteen years ago.

1021
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 1: I forwarded her an email from Quincy Jones. Okay, I'm

1022
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: actually gonna see Friday night, and I got no response. Okay,

1023
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 1: So I was on the phone lit by saying, you know,

1024
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 1: what do you think about that email I sent you?

1025
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:29,240
Speaker 1: Quincy just just oh yeah, you know, you know Quincy Jones.

1026
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,640
Speaker 1: Just yeah, I mean, you know the guy. Just I

1027
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: didn't think it was that Quincy Jones. How would you

1028
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 1: know Quincy Jones? How great is that? But these are

1029
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: these are motivating factors. But anyway, the ideas that she

1030
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: does randomly someone named Quincy Jones, right right? How many

1031
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: other questions? Crazy? So um, you're how long do you

1032
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: just go back? Let's go back, let's go back to Chicago.

1033
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: How long are you. They're working in second City being

1034
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 1: a stand up. I'm there for well, I was there

1035
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,879
Speaker 1: between getting fired, getting hired, my stand up, this, this, doing,

1036
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 1: this appearance, that appearance. I would go live in New York,

1037
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: I go live in l A. I went back and forth.

1038
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: But at this point, no day jobs. You're just making

1039
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,120
Speaker 1: as a stand up, making it as a comedian. At

1040
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: this point, yes, making what kind of money at the

1041
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: end of the year, varying from I had lots of

1042
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: debt to varying too. I don't know sixty, you know,

1043
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: and i'd paid off most of my debt. I didn't

1044
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: pay off my debt really until my early thirties. And

1045
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: then I was out of debt. I was I was

1046
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: broke again, but never in debt again, right, Okay, um,

1047
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 1: so yeah, and then I finally decided I'm gonna New

1048
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: York's where I'm going. Okay. To what degree were the

1049
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 1: relationships you made in Chicago beneficial to your career ultimately? Well,

1050
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 1: they're all well it's not see eight, It's not the

1051
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: relationships that were beneficial to my career. It's what I

1052
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: learned there that was beneficial to my career. The relationships

1053
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: are all still friends of mine. They're all people I

1054
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: still work with. Most of them. I've hired on even

1055
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: ones who had me fired or didn't want I've had

1056
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: most the greatest revenge of success. And I've hired everyone

1057
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: who was in the company that wanted to get rid

1058
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: of me. I've hired them all on curb your enthusiasm,

1059
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: and are they gracious about It'll see, I don't let

1060
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 1: them know. I find that during the course of my life,

1061
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: people who are great to me I remember, and people

1062
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: who are crappy to me, the ones in the middle,

1063
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: I don't remember it. Now here's the revenge. When the

1064
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: crappy ones, I'm nice to them, I do great things

1065
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: for them, and they think they got one over on me.

1066
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: But I remember, and it makes me so happy. I

1067
00:58:50,720 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: don't I don't need to tell them. I don't need

1068
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: to remind them. Why do I want them to make

1069
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: them feel bad? Think you pull one over on me?

1070
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: Have a great time. Well, there's certain people will not

1071
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: kind of break too. It's a very limited list. By

1072
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: the way, I won't spend time with those people. I

1073
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: understand that. You know I wouldn't and then you know,

1074
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: but then I'm going to new York. That was also

1075
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 1: the same situation. It was a lot of what I learned,

1076
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: but also like my friends that I befriended there, my

1077
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: early friends all got on to great success. Dennis Leary,

1078
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: John Stewart, we were all poor together, um, and great

1079
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: friends together. I mean, I love John. John is still

1080
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 1: a great now. They went on to great success years

1081
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: ago before your success or mine was. How did you

1082
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 1: feel about that? So happy for them, not jealous, but

1083
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: I was frustrated that it hadn't happened for me. But

1084
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: I was not nothing but happy for them. What are

1085
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: some of the lessons you said you learned in being

1086
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: in Chicago, Well, it's not as much. Look you go

1087
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: through life, you become a better man, hopefully. But for

1088
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: me it was just how to be a better actor

1089
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 1: looking someone in the eye. My approach when I'm with

1090
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: another actor in a scene is not for me to

1091
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: be better, It's to make them look better. If God willing,

1092
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: they have the same attitude, both performances go up. That's

1093
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:15,760
Speaker 1: not generally the case. You're the one making them look

1094
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:18,479
Speaker 1: better and they want to make themselves look better, which

1095
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: they don't necessarily do every time. UM. I also learned

1096
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: how to take what I learned from Second City and

1097
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: do it on the stage when I do stand up

1098
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: improvising from an outline. Now, I may have one or

1099
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: two stories that I think of on the way to

1100
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 1: the gig, and i'll, if I remember, i'll talk about them.

1101
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:39,960
Speaker 1: But in general I don't even have an outline. But

1102
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: when I shoot my special, I'm gonna have a very

1103
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: strong outline. Okay. So now, when you're in New York,

1104
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:48,720
Speaker 1: at what point you said, when you're in Chicago you

1105
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 1: were trying to make things happen for yourself, like you know,

1106
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: it sounded like you know, you had projects, etcetera beyond

1107
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 1: stand up. No stand up in Second City in Chicago. Okay,

1108
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,720
Speaker 1: but what only did you say, I've got to make

1109
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: it happen for me as opposed to waiting for the

1110
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: big breakthrough. Uh well, if you mean what I'm about

1111
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: to say, I can tell you my early thirties, my

1112
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: early thirties, from starting at twenty, my early thirties, maybe

1113
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 1: when I turned thirty, but around there is when I

1114
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: decided that all I was going to do was worrying

1115
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 1: about being great. I was not going to concern myself

1116
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: with my career at all that includes head shots. I

1117
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: mean I had head shots, but I wasn't worried about

1118
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:33,720
Speaker 1: my head shots, wasn't worried about my representation. I worried

1119
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: about nothing except being great. And I've kept that attitude

1120
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: since then. Okay, since uh the early nineties. Okay, for

1121
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 1: most people, the breakthrough was when you're working with Larry.

1122
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: Would you consider to be that first breakthrough for yourself

1123
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: or what breakthrothws came after moving to New York? Well,

1124
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: you have to understand the Larry thing. Um, I approached

1125
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 1: him with the idea because I had been before. I

1126
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 1: want to hear that between moving to New York and

1127
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: approaching Larry, had you approached other people and you tried

1128
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 1: to make Okay? Yes, I mean yes, I would try

1129
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 1: to make things happen. And I had development deals before

1130
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: I met Larry. I had delvelpment development deals at CBS, ABC, NBC,

1131
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: and Fox. Okay, so and none of them panned out. Okay.

1132
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: So when I was writing a show with a guy

1133
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 1: named Allen's why belt you know? Okay, So Allen's why

1134
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 1: Belle and I are writing a show uh four um

1135
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: uh CBS, they're looking for a companion show to everybody

1136
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: loves Raymond. It's either gonna be the Jeff Garland program

1137
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: or King of Queens. We know what it was. However,

1138
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 1: in that suite of offices, Larry David shared an office

1139
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:53,919
Speaker 1: with Allen's Why bell and Billy Crystal, and I saw

1140
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,080
Speaker 1: all three of them. How do you know why Bells?

1141
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 1: Why bell Um wasn't a quaintance, but he was teamed

1142
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: up with me with the producers. Okay, so they're all

1143
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 1: in the office, and so I would go in and

1144
01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 1: sit and talk with Larry every day. We knew each

1145
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: other as stand ups, and then one day we went

1146
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 1: to lunch and he started asking me about stand up

1147
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 1: and I said, well, if you ever want to do

1148
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: a stand up special, because that's what HBO was interested in,

1149
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 1: I've got a great idea for one. You know, we

1150
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 1: go behind the scenes of the making of a stand

1151
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: up special and then at the end, you don't even

1152
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,240
Speaker 1: have to do this, right, the special could be the

1153
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 1: making of you know. It was his idea that I'd

1154
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: be as manager because I just wanted to actually, in

1155
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: my head, I want to be behind the scenes. I

1156
01:03:38,600 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: just wanted to direct it did anyway, So he insisted

1157
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: I'm as man that I play as manager, and then

1158
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 1: he insisted that I'd be the executive producer with him. Now,

1159
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:51,919
Speaker 1: I'd never produced anything, let alone to be the executive

1160
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 1: producer with the greatest comedic television producer of my generation

1161
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: right now, I mean Larry, he wasn't involved. It's funny

1162
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 1: because I ran into the movies and Santa Monica one

1163
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: day and you reckon. I mean for though, this is

1164
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: before Currer Enthusiasm. That afternoon movie. They said, you know, Larry,

1165
01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: you know Seinfeld hasn't been great since you left. And

1166
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 1: he looks at me because the only two of us goes,

1167
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:18,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear that. I'm still part of

1168
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: the bla blah blah blah blah blah, which is so Larry.

1169
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 1: But at that point most people had no idea who

1170
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: Larry was. They thought it was all Jerry, right, okay,

1171
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: And the last two seasons of the show that he

1172
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: wasn't there, I can say, we're really funny but crazy

1173
01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: broad All the minutia of when Larry was there and

1174
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:44,919
Speaker 1: the actual and all that crazy pain of it was Larry.

1175
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 1: So seeing so you can see Seinfeld without Larry, right, okay?

1176
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 1: And that's what the last two years were a little

1177
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: bit too broad for me, but still funny as hell,

1178
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 1: but not not now. It was that window when you

1179
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 1: were all sharing an office. It was after that even

1180
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 1: it was after the finale of Seinfeld, which he came back,

1181
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: of course, and it was after Sour Grapes, so he

1182
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:12,480
Speaker 1: wasn't like both of those. The Seinfeld got a lot

1183
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 1: of criticism because they're in jail, and Sour Grapes did

1184
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 1: not do well. He wasn't miserable because of that. He

1185
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: was Larry David. He's fine, you know. But I would

1186
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 1: walk in his office and we'd sing, truly, because we

1187
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:29,120
Speaker 1: had little kids. We'd be singing Shirley Temple songs. Um.

1188
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: But then I told him this idea. He said, let's

1189
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 1: talk about next thing I know where with Ari Emmanuel

1190
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 1: in Chris all Breck's office HBO, and we pitched the

1191
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 1: idea and Chris Aubrek said, the thing that you always

1192
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: dream of hearing when you pitch something, how can I

1193
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: not do this? And then when we and it was

1194
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 1: only for an hour special. While we're filming the hour special,

1195
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 1: first day of filming, we had so much fun. Larry

1196
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:00,080
Speaker 1: David comes up to me and goes with this be

1197
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,919
Speaker 1: great to do as a TV series. Now in my head,

1198
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 1: I'm like going, yeah, right, it would be amazing to

1199
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: make this a TV series. I'm on a TV series

1200
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:12,560
Speaker 1: with you doing too. Yeah. Sure, yeah, and we did.

1201
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 1: But also know that our first year on the air,

1202
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 1: even into the second year, HBO referred to our show

1203
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 1: as their little experimental show. Right now, personally, we all

1204
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: have our opinions. Okay, I do not think the special

1205
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: was as good as Curb Your Enthusiasm. I think Curb

1206
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 1: Your Enthusiasm took it to a whole Netherlands, the whole

1207
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 1: different thing. Okay, what's a special improvised? Yeah, all that

1208
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 1: is improvised. Okay, it improvised because of you. Were because

1209
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 1: Larry's lazy. He's not lazy, but um because of me?

1210
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: Really yeah, the improvisation parts because of me. Well, I

1211
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: thought it was Larry who didn't want to script. Well no,

1212
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 1: he loves not having a script, don't get me wrong,

1213
01:06:53,880 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 1: But that initial idea was me. So let's assume you

1214
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: go to film an episode and you're deep into the

1215
01:07:06,840 --> 01:07:09,080
Speaker 1: series now, so maybe you have it down, but when

1216
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 1: you first started, it's like, Okay, you gotta shoot, you know,

1217
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 1: half an hour. How much of it is conceptualized. There's

1218
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 1: a six to seven page script that Larry David writes

1219
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 1: where everything you need to have a funny half hour

1220
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 1: of TV is in there. He's the best there is.

1221
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:28,120
Speaker 1: That's what separates Curb from any other improvised show. And

1222
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 1: we're going to improvise our show. Well, good luck to you.

1223
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:35,480
Speaker 1: You don't have Larry David. So it's funny my dialogue.

1224
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 1: Every scene changes like I make up different but the

1225
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 1: story is there and what has to happen is there.

1226
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: So let's assume we're shooting. Yeah, how many takes? Will?

1227
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: They all depend to the scene. Just Larry and I

1228
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: much quicker if there's three or four other people, can

1229
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 1: take longer, if there's three or four other people that

1230
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,880
Speaker 1: are not regulars on the show, even longer. But it's

1231
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:00,520
Speaker 1: all based on what we do as we shoot a

1232
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:04,200
Speaker 1: take and then we discuss it. This went on, this,

1233
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:08,000
Speaker 1: don't know about this, Let's do this this time, and

1234
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,200
Speaker 1: then you go do that one again. But don't do

1235
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 1: this now. Do you ever get the six or seven

1236
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 1: page outlined and say, Larry, I'd like to make some changes.

1237
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 1: Never in over a hundred episodes. That has never happened

1238
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:27,439
Speaker 1: any notes. This is true. I get the outline. Do

1239
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:29,679
Speaker 1: you know that any notes that I've given them were

1240
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 1: just that you repeated that beat or that at the

1241
01:08:33,360 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 1: end doesn't make sense here? Because of this, I have

1242
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,879
Speaker 1: never ever given a note, And I can say proudly

1243
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 1: I've never given him an idea for the show. People

1244
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 1: approaching people approach me out time. So people come up

1245
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 1: to me and I said, they say, I've got this

1246
01:08:47,280 --> 01:08:48,800
Speaker 1: great idea. I go A few things I want to

1247
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 1: tell you. Number One, I'm on the show. I'm a

1248
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 1: producer on the show. I have never given my ideas.

1249
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: I said, no that. Number two, no one, no one

1250
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 1: has ever come up to me on the street and

1251
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 1: given me a good idea. And I've gotten hundreds upon hundreds.

1252
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 1: They still insist, and I still have to tell them, yep,

1253
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 1: put yours on the pile. It ain't funny, And they're

1254
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 1: never funny. They're extra NiFe. I know. I know the

1255
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 1: same thing in the music business. But when you I

1256
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 1: got to the part rise, I said, too many bad experience.

1257
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:23,759
Speaker 1: I don't even tell them they're not funny, right because

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01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:25,800
Speaker 1: they just can't believe it. Everybody in their whole life

1259
01:09:25,880 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 1: is thought. You know, they're the funniest person they ever

1260
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:30,639
Speaker 1: They shove it down my throat, you know. Okay, So

1261
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:35,280
Speaker 1: do you have favorite Curb episodes? I have one in

1262
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:37,759
Speaker 1: particular that I love. And by the way, the current

1263
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,560
Speaker 1: season we're filming, we're wrapping it up soon, um, is

1264
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 1: my favorite season we've ever shot. There are subtleties to

1265
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:46,519
Speaker 1: the new season that bring me more joy than you

1266
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 1: can imagine, and the whole storyline is just it's amazing.

1267
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 1: I love it. Um. My favorite episode is one that's

1268
01:09:56,160 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 1: entitled Wandering Bear. It's where Cheryl's vagina it is and

1269
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: Larry's gardner. Wandering Bear tries helping her with her vagina,

1270
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 1: and at the same time, Larry and I keep watching

1271
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 1: Girls Gone Wild and my dog gets run over. I

1272
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 1: love it, and I know dog gets run over. He's

1273
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:14,280
Speaker 1: fine at the end of the episode. But the point being,

1274
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,960
Speaker 1: is itself contained. A lot of Curb there's the arc

1275
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:22,519
Speaker 1: of the season. This one particular episode is completely self contained.

1276
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 1: It's not tied into anything. And if I was had

1277
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 1: to show somebody someone goes, what's your show about, I

1278
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 1: would show them that episode. I love that episode now

1279
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 1: You're on the inside. And certainly a number of seasons

1280
01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 1: of Curb were made, and then Larry went on like

1281
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 1: a hiatus to make that movie, etcetera. Where did that

1282
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: leave you? Well, he didn't go on hiatus to make

1283
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 1: a movie or to do the play. We were just

1284
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 1: on hiatus and he didn't know what he's gonna do.

1285
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:51,000
Speaker 1: What it did for me was I had to earn

1286
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:53,639
Speaker 1: money doing stand up. I made a couple of movies

1287
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:56,320
Speaker 1: and I took the job on the Goldberg. So tell

1288
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 1: us how that happened. I got a script. The script

1289
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:01,759
Speaker 1: kind of the Archer kind of reminded me of Archie Bunker.

1290
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 1: I was writing a movie that uh, I was gonna

1291
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:07,959
Speaker 1: about to do for Netflix that I eventually did called Handsome,

1292
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:11,520
Speaker 1: which is a Netflix mystery movie kind of like Colombo

1293
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 1: meets The Long Goodbye. UM still on there, please watch

1294
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:18,600
Speaker 1: if you can. I'm very proud of it. But um,

1295
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 1: I got this script saying they're very interested in me,

1296
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: and they told me they cast Wendy McClendon covey, who

1297
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 1: I love and I wanted to work with. And I

1298
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 1: told her that a million times, and yeah, so I

1299
01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 1: was happy to do that, and did you think it

1300
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,719
Speaker 1: was going to be a hit? I had a strong feeling.

1301
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 1: And by the way, I'm a person. I remember I

1302
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:39,560
Speaker 1: was on a TV show called What About Joan with

1303
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 1: John Cusack and we got canceled before we filmed an

1304
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 1: episode one week and I remember people crying and I

1305
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 1: and I walked around with my friend Wally Langham who

1306
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 1: had been on the Larry Sanders Show as one of

1307
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 1: the writers, and we had been through the mill a

1308
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:57,799
Speaker 1: million and we've said to people, what did you expect

1309
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 1: to happen? So for me to say that I thought

1310
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 1: that The Goldbergs, if given a shot, was gonna be

1311
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 1: a hit, I am not surprised. I mean I thought

1312
01:12:07,880 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 1: it had everything that you needed for today to be

1313
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 1: a hit, and so I'm not surprised by it. People

1314
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:17,639
Speaker 1: love that show. And are you as you walk through

1315
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:21,800
Speaker 1: your life, are you more recognized from Curb or The Goldbergs. Well,

1316
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 1: it all depends. If I'm not around where comedy fans

1317
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:28,280
Speaker 1: are for whatever. Let's say it's the morning, it's the

1318
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 1: farmer's market at Fairbacks, and third it's all Goldbergs, you

1319
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Or the afternoon, especially the tourists

1320
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 1: all Goldbergs. But if I'm in any sort of environment

1321
01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:41,439
Speaker 1: where there's any sort of hip nous or edge or

1322
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:45,920
Speaker 1: comedy fans Curb and then it's a mixture, depending on

1323
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,200
Speaker 1: where and what you know what I mean, But it

1324
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 1: all depends because comedy fans don't watch the Goldbergs, you know,

1325
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 1: comedy fans watch Curb with south Park. It's like there's

1326
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 1: a handful of shows on the list where comedy fans go, Oh,

1327
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:01,879
Speaker 1: I go there for my comments, okay, just because I'm interested.

1328
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 1: Are there any others besides those two? I don't know.

1329
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 1: You'd have to tell me the name of a show. Okay,

1330
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:12,000
Speaker 1: the comedians watch broad City. I think that that would

1331
01:13:12,080 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 1: fall in line of a comedic show. Yes, like those

1332
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 1: types of shows that comedians. You know, Netflix has to

1333
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 1: do special every week? Do people watch that only to

1334
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 1: make fun of them? Really? Yes, one is worse than

1335
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 1: the next, and this is not this is Here's the thing.

1336
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm a young comedian. If you had a special that

1337
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:36,679
Speaker 1: was special, then it came to I'd have somebody opening

1338
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:39,520
Speaker 1: for me. And two weeks later, and I'm not exaggerating

1339
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:42,439
Speaker 1: this ship, Oh, I just got my first special. You did.

1340
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:44,759
Speaker 1: You're not even developed yet. You don't even have a voice.

1341
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 1: I don't say that outline. I don't want to hurt

1342
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:49,759
Speaker 1: you know. They have fun and they're special. Of course,

1343
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 1: doesn't go anywhere because they don't have a voice. They

1344
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 1: just give specials out. They give specials out to people

1345
01:13:55,880 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 1: who are kind of well known actors who decide they

1346
01:13:58,360 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 1: wanted to stand up. What's a budget for something like that, Well,

1347
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 1: it can be as little as a hundred thousand, and

1348
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:06,840
Speaker 1: then you go up to what they're they're paying with

1349
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 1: twenty million for them at one time. Now, I'd have

1350
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 1: to say, if you're well known, it's kind of leveled out.

1351
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:16,759
Speaker 1: It's about a million um all in with your salary

1352
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 1: and the thing. And if you're not known, three hundred thousand. Okay.

1353
01:14:21,479 --> 01:14:24,799
Speaker 1: What about people who took their brand from The Daily

1354
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 1: Show and went on Netflix like Farhood, Manas and Michelle

1355
01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:32,640
Speaker 1: who got canceled, They still created a voice for themselves

1356
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:36,840
Speaker 1: and they still have fans. I guarantee. Well, his show

1357
01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:38,759
Speaker 1: is doing what seems to be doing well on Netflix.

1358
01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 1: But the point being is if she appears somewhere, she's

1359
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 1: gonna sell tickets, you know, So she carved out a

1360
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 1: career for herself, and if she takes it seriously, she's

1361
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 1: only gonna get better. I mean, she has her voice

1362
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 1: to contend with. Some people can't get past It's like Rush.

1363
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:57,679
Speaker 1: You know, I've never I think Rush is my friends.

1364
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:01,679
Speaker 1: I have friends that worship Rush. I cannot get past

1365
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: Getty Lee's voice. I try and I just can't. But

1366
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 1: I understand why why they dig them. They are an interesting,

1367
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:12,639
Speaker 1: good band, great band, but it ain't my thing. Okay

1368
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:15,680
Speaker 1: without getting deeply into Rush. You can't get late at

1369
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 1: a Rush concert. There no women there. But uh, in

1370
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 1: terms of Curb, now, were you jumping up and down

1371
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 1: said this is my big break once it finally went

1372
01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 1: to series. No, I jumped up and down. Was when

1373
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 1: Larry David said, let's go pitch it to Chris Albrecht,

1374
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 1: and I thought I was gonna be the director. So

1375
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:40,600
Speaker 1: I had my own like, oh, this could be My

1376
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:44,240
Speaker 1: attitude was this could be the start of something. Here's

1377
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:47,000
Speaker 1: what the secret of Curb. Your enthusiasm is more than

1378
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:50,919
Speaker 1: anything from the get go, and there is an exception

1379
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 1: to this, but I don't want to get into. But

1380
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:55,920
Speaker 1: early on and from the get go, we only did

1381
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:59,720
Speaker 1: what made us laugh, and we were shocked when anybody

1382
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 1: called on or dug it. We We had no intention

1383
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 1: of being an iconic show, zero zero thoughts of it

1384
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 1: even being possible. Whereas I told you Goldberg's I could

1385
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 1: see it being a hit. I knew it would never

1386
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 1: be iconic Curb. I not only did, I never thought

1387
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 1: it'd be iconic ever, let alone a hit. So now

1388
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:26,200
Speaker 1: you're in your fifties, you are comfortable. What would you

1389
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 1: like to achieve before the grim Reaper appears? Oh dear God,

1390
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 1: again your bucket list? You know, what's my last meal?

1391
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:37,439
Speaker 1: I don't? Okay, So okay, So it's not even a

1392
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:40,720
Speaker 1: grim Reaper, because the Grim Reaper comes for everybody. What

1393
01:16:40,760 --> 01:16:43,440
Speaker 1: do I want to do? I want to keep contributing.

1394
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 1: I want to compete, keep I want to continue to

1395
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:50,799
Speaker 1: be relevant artistically, because I think that age doesn't matter

1396
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:54,600
Speaker 1: if you're relevant, if you've got something to say or

1397
01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:59,280
Speaker 1: something to put out there that's relevant to human beings

1398
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,559
Speaker 1: that I and ease people, continue to ease people's pain,

1399
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:06,760
Speaker 1: and that contribute. I'm good man, What does that? I've

1400
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 1: got things I'm developing, I've got I mean, you know,

1401
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 1: television series, movies, different things, And to me, I just

1402
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,680
Speaker 1: want to be relevant. I want to be doing I

1403
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 1: don't want to be doing good work. I want to

1404
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 1: be doing great work. I want to continue. And I

1405
01:17:20,320 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 1: also think I'm one of those people that gets better

1406
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 1: as he gets older. I don't think that I am.

1407
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:32,200
Speaker 1: What makes me funny is still in me. With the

1408
01:17:32,240 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 1: success I've had already, I will never be a fat cat. Okay,

1409
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: you know I drive a Tesla. Yeah, you know what

1410
01:17:39,400 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 1: I mean. Oh, look at me. I'm not in touch.

1411
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 1: I drive in Tesla, but you know where I pull

1412
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 1: into fucking Ralph's Fresh Fare and buy my own groceries

1413
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 1: and deal with whatever ship's going on in there. I

1414
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 1: do my own stuff, you know what I mean? Man,

1415
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 1: I want to be part of it, because when you

1416
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,680
Speaker 1: stop doing that is when you're not relevant, is when

1417
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 1: you're not in touch. Absolutely I couldn't agree or yeah,

1418
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 1: So what does it day look like when you're not

1419
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 1: you know, shooting, well as much napping as possible. So

1420
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 1: that's the luxury that I take advantage of, is napping. Um,

1421
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 1: I have not I have not had the opportunity to

1422
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:17,000
Speaker 1: go to I love movies. I've not been to a

1423
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 1: movie the last movie I saw was a special early

1424
01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:24,640
Speaker 1: morning screening that I took my friend's son too of

1425
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:27,400
Speaker 1: the Spider Man movie The Spider Verse, which I loved.

1426
01:18:28,360 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 1: I have not had a chance. I love movies. I

1427
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:34,400
Speaker 1: love music. I go see live music. Um, I try

1428
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:37,480
Speaker 1: and arrange it that there's the least amount of irritating

1429
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 1: people around me that I can. I found certain areas

1430
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:43,480
Speaker 1: to sit it, like the Hollywood Ball where like, oh,

1431
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 1: I won't be bothered here. This is awesome. And I'm

1432
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 1: not talking about fame bothered. I'm just about talking about

1433
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 1: people being idiots bothered. Um. I love music, I love sports.

1434
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 1: I love swimming. So where do you swim? I have

1435
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 1: a pool. I have a pool, not even like you know,

1436
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 1: it's December, and could eat it up if I want,

1437
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 1: and I did, but right now I turn the heat

1438
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 1: up and turn on a couple of weeks close, you know.

1439
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 1: But I also But I really, I gotta tell you, man,

1440
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 1: I love I play guitar, not good, but I dig it.

1441
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 1: I did doing an open a learning old blues riffs.

1442
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 1: I'm learning a John Lee Hooker riff right now. So

1443
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:24,680
Speaker 1: I dig that. I dig chilling. That's what I did

1444
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 1: doing I'm not. I don't like going to awards. I

1445
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 1: don't like big parties. I love a good dinner party.

1446
01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 1: How about going out to dinner with friends? Whatever? You're

1447
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 1: just you're stay at home guy. Well no, I mean

1448
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 1: I might go to Musso and Frank's and and uh

1449
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:46,839
Speaker 1: meet Dan McCarroll and his wife, um and or Mark Flanager,

1450
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 1: now One's Largo or where my close friends are. I

1451
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 1: love spending time with my close friends. Um. I'll go

1452
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 1: to sugar Fish on occasion. But in general, man, I'm

1453
01:19:56,760 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 1: a homebody. My life is extraordinary. I don't need my life.

1454
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 1: It's like you know that for me, the thought of

1455
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 1: going out to dinner on Friday or Saturday night is

1456
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:10,280
Speaker 1: the worst. I gotta tell you. Nothing makes me happier

1457
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:12,599
Speaker 1: than going to bed early on a Saturday night. Right,

1458
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:18,000
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Okay, So you mentioned

1459
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:22,240
Speaker 1: earlier that you can't do pop culture in stand up comedy,

1460
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:25,719
Speaker 1: and now I remember in an era both in movies

1461
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:29,040
Speaker 1: and music, when you could literally be comprehensive, you could

1462
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 1: see it all and yeah, but now we're not in

1463
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:35,879
Speaker 1: that era. No. By the way, I like to maintain

1464
01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 1: a level of understanding. The number of artists that my

1465
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:43,680
Speaker 1: children will bring up, or that someone bring up that

1466
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 1: I literally this is a person. I go to the

1467
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 1: new songs on Spotify. I've Spotify, Title and um Apple Music,

1468
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:56,599
Speaker 1: Amazon Music. What's that? What's the logic of having all

1469
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 1: of them? I mean, I have all of them. Have

1470
01:20:58,320 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 1: to pay well, Title because they pay the artists. Bet

1471
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:06,639
Speaker 1: the other ones just not a convenience. Sometimes I look

1472
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:08,760
Speaker 1: for one song and the other ones don't have it.

1473
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, there you go. And by the way,

1474
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:14,080
Speaker 1: what I used to spend on c d s, I

1475
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 1: can afford to buy all those. Um. So I'm on

1476
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:20,599
Speaker 1: there and I'm checking stuff out and I'll be behind

1477
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:23,800
Speaker 1: the wave. My kids will laugh at all behind the wave.

1478
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:28,240
Speaker 1: Now there's too much stuff out there, you know. But

1479
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:31,559
Speaker 1: I do know that a lot of it is is pop.

1480
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 1: By the way, a great pop song is delightful. So

1481
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 1: do not get me wrong. I'm not that much of

1482
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:40,839
Speaker 1: a curmudgeon, but I find that most music that I

1483
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:45,320
Speaker 1: am presented with is completely empty. You know, it's just

1484
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:49,680
Speaker 1: so so. And I used to like, you know, it's

1485
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:52,400
Speaker 1: so funny you say that you like like I like

1486
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:54,640
Speaker 1: Public Enemy. I remember going to see them at the

1487
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 1: Palace and remember sitting next to Easy in the back

1488
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 1: of the room watching them. So if I say I

1489
01:22:01,479 --> 01:22:03,840
Speaker 1: don't like rap, you know, some people might oh, he's

1490
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 1: racist or something. You know, no, which I've heard, you know,

1491
01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 1: because you're white. No, man, I dig what I dig.

1492
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 1: I love Coltrane, you know I love Jimmy. I mean,

1493
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 1: I don't care what someone's I care about greatness. Man

1494
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 1: care about great Okay, And then I couldn't agree more

1495
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 1: of that. People can't handle that. Just because you made

1496
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:26,679
Speaker 1: an effort doesn't mean I want to partake. And when

1497
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:29,360
Speaker 1: what people don't understand when something is great, I love

1498
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:31,680
Speaker 1: to tell everybody. That's what people don't realize. What's more

1499
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 1: joyful than that? Right? We everybody has? Firstly talking about kids.

1500
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 1: So kids have a short attention span. They don't have

1501
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 1: a short attention span. They have an incredible ship detector. Next, next, next, next,

1502
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:44,720
Speaker 1: That's why I love your writing, because you're hip to that.

1503
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 1: People think it's an attention span. No you, but I

1504
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 1: have a d D. You give me something to watch,

1505
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:53,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch it exactly. There's somebody who dies every

1506
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 1: year playing video games for three days straight in Asia. Okay,

1507
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,760
Speaker 1: don't tell me about it. By the way, you think

1508
01:22:58,760 --> 01:23:00,600
Speaker 1: I go see Lords of a Ray be at the

1509
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 1: Cinerama Dome that I'm like, I gotta go take a break. No,

1510
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:08,479
Speaker 1: I'm enchanted for my one time every time, you know.

1511
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 1: So it's not a matter of kids today don't have

1512
01:23:12,280 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 1: the attention spans. Their attentions, yes, are in their phones,

1513
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 1: but they're looking for something to connect well the people

1514
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 1: that I mean, I'm really anti the anti phone thing.

1515
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 1: What could be better than have a device? It's totally

1516
01:23:25,160 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 1: personalized to you, all right. By the way, think of

1517
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:30,720
Speaker 1: having that thing when you're a little kid, would you

1518
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:35,200
Speaker 1: have done anything different? I you would have had it.

1519
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what I've done anything different? I mean,

1520
01:23:38,920 --> 01:23:41,519
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, you would have been into it

1521
01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:45,000
Speaker 1: about That's what I'm saying. So I'm not gonna judge.

1522
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 1: And by the way, mine is my iPhone is a

1523
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 1: tool for me exactly. It's personal. I just do you

1524
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 1: do flipboard. I'm not a flipboard person. I love flipboard

1525
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:58,920
Speaker 1: because I've designed all these stories of stuff that I'm

1526
01:23:59,240 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 1: it used to be because I got really I got

1527
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:03,240
Speaker 1: a free subscription to a O L and the nineties

1528
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:05,680
Speaker 1: when he's charged by the minute. So I spent my

1529
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:08,200
Speaker 1: whole life. I lost the nineties to a O L. Whatever.

1530
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 1: But I tell my shriek. He used to take me

1531
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 1: an hour in the early part of the century to

1532
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 1: go through all my sites. Okay, now it's just endless.

1533
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:22,479
Speaker 1: It's something, but I'm really I'm really into it. I

1534
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 1: like the pulse. The other thing about it is if

1535
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:28,719
Speaker 1: you're into something, you can become an expert. You can dive.

1536
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:32,000
Speaker 1: You can dive into anything I know. So it's not

1537
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 1: that that's negative. It's what we're bringing to them. I

1538
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 1: met a dude and I can't remember the thing. He's

1539
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 1: a friend of a friend and he was running. He

1540
01:24:40,520 --> 01:24:42,320
Speaker 1: was at the time. I don't think he still is.

1541
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 1: He was put in charge by maybe universe like him

1542
01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 1: or who in charge of verve? Right, the history of

1543
01:24:49,479 --> 01:24:53,680
Speaker 1: verb Oliver and I'm friends with Don was right, So

1544
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 1: I see the challenge. They all the new whatever. But

1545
01:24:57,240 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 1: he had a complete disrespect for owning early holiday and

1546
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 1: owning people like that. And it's my fervent opinion. You

1547
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 1: play Billie Holiday for any kid with intelligence, and they're

1548
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 1: gonna go, how do I get more of that? Listen?

1549
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 1: Great is great. I'm glad to say. The only other

1550
01:25:13,479 --> 01:25:16,200
Speaker 1: person I've ever said that is something is phenomenal. And

1551
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 1: it could be anything like the first half of that

1552
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 1: movie Something Wild, you know that the right where you

1553
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:24,760
Speaker 1: know she's just totally totally out of control. Or even

1554
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 1: now we're talking about our favorite movies. Uh Altman once again?

1555
01:25:28,720 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 1: Uh Ship, what's his Western? You know with Warren Beatty

1556
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:37,000
Speaker 1: and Mrs Miller, there's all this other stuff you love.

1557
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 1: To testify about that stuff, it's hard to testify about

1558
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:43,879
Speaker 1: a lot of sheep. That's what you need. Here's the difference.

1559
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:47,640
Speaker 1: If I may, I feel that if I were to

1560
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:50,360
Speaker 1: show my son's eighteen and twenty two love movies McCabe

1561
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:53,720
Speaker 1: and Mrs Miller, they might get bored. And here's what

1562
01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:56,679
Speaker 1: they need. They need their own McCabe and Mrs Miller.

1563
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:59,639
Speaker 1: Of course, they need a good movie that has the pacing,

1564
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 1: the actors, the things they're interested in. I have a friend,

1565
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:07,040
Speaker 1: her daughter, who I kind of mentor and I just

1566
01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:10,200
Speaker 1: love like she's my daughter. She refused I try and

1567
01:26:10,439 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 1: turn around to stuff. She refuses refuses to watch black

1568
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:17,639
Speaker 1: and white movies. And then I like people who refuse

1569
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:20,240
Speaker 1: to watch things with subtitles. Well, I said, you're missing

1570
01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:23,519
Speaker 1: great Hitchcock can make great press and sturgis great, Billy Wilder.

1571
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:27,680
Speaker 1: There's so much stuff. But what these kids need and

1572
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 1: people need is their own version of that. And that's

1573
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 1: not coming because Avengers, the next Avengers, that's not it.

1574
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:38,320
Speaker 1: Of course, that is not it. And the other way.

1575
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 1: I love comic books. I collected him as a kid,

1576
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:42,880
Speaker 1: and I still buy them, you know, and buy a

1577
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:45,880
Speaker 1: lot of back issues. For the most part, I can't

1578
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:48,519
Speaker 1: stand superhero movies. Right, what about the We're in the

1579
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:50,600
Speaker 1: golden age of TV? Do you watch Netflix? Do you

1580
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 1: watch HBO? Watch There's always a show that I'm in

1581
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 1: And so what shows would you recommend right now? The

1582
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:58,639
Speaker 1: last show that I watched and incomplete I just finished

1583
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 1: like a week ago, Fouda find a Phenomenal. That's about

1584
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:08,280
Speaker 1: that's about the the border between Israel and Palestine and

1585
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:11,599
Speaker 1: all the shenanigans. But it's like it's like the Wire,

1586
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:15,479
Speaker 1: It's like the Sopranos, it's like everything. That's one of

1587
01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:17,760
Speaker 1: the few series where the second season was better than

1588
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 1: the first. Second season was better than the first season

1589
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:25,760
Speaker 1: was great exactly, but the second season was amazing, amazing,

1590
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 1: And they have some scenes of action where you're so tense.

1591
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:32,360
Speaker 1: That one where they were in the backyard and they

1592
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:35,840
Speaker 1: were surrounding I never seen a scene like that, and

1593
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:38,720
Speaker 1: they had to go away and come ben anyhow, I

1594
01:27:38,720 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 1: know I'm talking. I don't want to ruin it. But

1595
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:42,639
Speaker 1: the thing is, the thing I want to tell people

1596
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 1: listening is know this about Powder. It's Netflix's show, but

1597
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 1: it's from Israel, and it is subtitled But I'm a guy.

1598
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 1: If you dig the Sopranos, you dig the Wire, you

1599
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 1: dig Breaking Bad, this is right there with it. It's

1600
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:58,800
Speaker 1: it's as good as all. Okay, what else can you

1601
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:02,160
Speaker 1: recommend Jay's I don't know. I mean, have you watched

1602
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:05,920
Speaker 1: Happy Valley? No? I by the way, I started watching

1603
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:08,760
Speaker 1: the second season of Happy Valley. I don't quite get that,

1604
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:10,639
Speaker 1: by the way, and I did, wasn't and I thought

1605
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 1: you I watched the first I liked the idea of it.

1606
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 1: Um Bob babyl um Berlin. I've only heard great things.

1607
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:18,719
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's a long time to get into

1608
01:28:18,760 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 1: because one of the know. It's one of those things

1609
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:22,519
Speaker 1: where it's intentionally people say that I no know what's

1610
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 1: going on. People say that a long time to get

1611
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:27,080
Speaker 1: into it is Better Call Saul, And in my opinion,

1612
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:29,639
Speaker 1: Better Call Saul is the best show on TV. Better

1613
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 1: Call Saul is better than Breaking No. One is not no.

1614
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 1: It is not different apples and oranges. Actually I didn't

1615
01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 1: say that. Uh uh, Granny Smith apple and a food

1616
01:28:41,040 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 1: jimple the two different types of apples. The point I'm

1617
01:28:44,800 --> 01:28:47,559
Speaker 1: making is that the greatness of both cannot be Who

1618
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:50,559
Speaker 1: would know that Bob oden Kirk could be so good

1619
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 1: at that, considering that he is my I have many

1620
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:57,519
Speaker 1: friends that I started with, but Bob oden Kirky and

1621
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 1: I used to sit on We'd sit on porches our backyard,

1622
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 1: on the steps of Second City together, dirt broke and

1623
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:09,519
Speaker 1: best of friends, talking about what do we have to

1624
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:12,679
Speaker 1: do to have somebody pay attention to us in this town.

1625
01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:15,920
Speaker 1: And I remember it was about three or four years ago.

1626
01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 1: I'm at Sony that's where we filmed the Goldbergs, and

1627
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:20,880
Speaker 1: up on the side of Sony in their big you

1628
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 1: know posters was the Goldbergs and better Cars. And I

1629
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 1: took a picture and I sent it to him because

1630
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:29,679
Speaker 1: we were broke together. We and I watched him developed.

1631
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:33,280
Speaker 1: And also he would help me audition, and I would

1632
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 1: help him audition on tape for different things. And I

1633
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 1: saw how good a director he is. I knew how

1634
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:41,960
Speaker 1: good an actor was. So I will stand up and

1635
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:45,639
Speaker 1: say I knew how great Bob oden Kirk could be.

1636
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:49,479
Speaker 1: I knew he is magnificent. He's also a magnificent man.

1637
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:51,759
Speaker 1: And like I said, one of my best friends. Okay,

1638
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:56,200
Speaker 1: in this long thing, long career, which is far from over,

1639
01:29:56,520 --> 01:30:02,479
Speaker 1: do you ever have doubts? Oh? Sure, yeah, you know, yeah,

1640
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 1: because you get you You feel like quitting. Oh I

1641
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:09,800
Speaker 1: felt like quitting many times early on. Even now I

1642
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:11,599
Speaker 1: think like, well, if I don't get to do this,

1643
01:30:12,120 --> 01:30:14,080
Speaker 1: do I really want to keep doing this? Like and

1644
01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:16,640
Speaker 1: I started thinking, all right, a little bit slower, tell

1645
01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:18,680
Speaker 1: us more about what I mean by that is, so

1646
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:22,639
Speaker 1: I'm doing the goldbergs now, which is a semi cash cow,

1647
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Doing curb. Maybe both of

1648
01:30:26,360 --> 01:30:30,280
Speaker 1: those don't last. So let's say my next three ideas

1649
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:33,680
Speaker 1: I'll get rejected. So do I think to myself, well,

1650
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:35,640
Speaker 1: how much do I sell my car for? How much

1651
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:37,760
Speaker 1: do I sell my house for? I'll move in a

1652
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:40,559
Speaker 1: condo where I'll do this and I'll just sit and right,

1653
01:30:41,320 --> 01:30:44,120
Speaker 1: I'll do my stand up and I'll write because I'm

1654
01:30:44,160 --> 01:30:46,639
Speaker 1: at a point now like I told you at fifty six,

1655
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:50,479
Speaker 1: it's about joy. And if I can't spread joy and

1656
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:54,040
Speaker 1: enjoy what I'm doing, I don't want to do it.

1657
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to do crap. I don't want to

1658
01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:00,439
Speaker 1: I just don't you know what. I you a part

1659
01:31:00,439 --> 01:31:03,080
Speaker 1: of the Avengers, Sure for a week for a lot

1660
01:31:03,080 --> 01:31:05,680
Speaker 1: of money. Would I be in in the Avengers for

1661
01:31:05,720 --> 01:31:11,000
Speaker 1: six months? No? No? And how much? Uh? It's by

1662
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:13,000
Speaker 1: the way, I want to Just for the record, nobody's

1663
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:15,360
Speaker 1: asked me. Nobody has asked me to be in the

1664
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 1: Avengers or any And by the way, I love comp

1665
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:18,920
Speaker 1: I want to be in the Silver Surfer movie if

1666
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:22,799
Speaker 1: I can, just a local anyhow, Um, I love Silver Surfer.

1667
01:31:23,960 --> 01:31:26,439
Speaker 1: How much are you on the road? Not very much

1668
01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 1: at all. The past, I'll say the past since since

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01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 1: I've been doing the Goldbergs, you know, um, you know,

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01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:41,120
Speaker 1: I'd say maybe six months in the past six years. Okay,

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01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:43,560
Speaker 1: So if you are going to do a special, do

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01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:45,000
Speaker 1: you have to do a certain number of gigs? You

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01:31:45,120 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 1: have to? Well, I'm working in town a lot. I

1674
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:49,559
Speaker 1: go on stage a lot at the Improv in a

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01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 1: Largo and sometimes place called Flappers and Burbank. I do sets, um,

1676
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 1: but I'm going on there. I'm gonna be in Chicago,

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01:31:58,120 --> 01:32:01,760
Speaker 1: uh next month, uh doing a bunch of sets at

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01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:04,559
Speaker 1: Zane East that's the name, and I'm gonna be I'm

1679
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:06,520
Speaker 1: gonna be in New York doing a week at Carolines

1680
01:32:07,040 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 1: and so yes, that's to work out for the special.

1681
01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:12,120
Speaker 1: Then I'm coming back to do a bunch of shows.

1682
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:16,080
Speaker 1: I have to do it. What's killed me. And really

1683
01:32:16,200 --> 01:32:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm exhausted and I I wish I have to. I

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01:32:19,960 --> 01:32:22,960
Speaker 1: have to. I'm going to therapy now, but after therapy,

1685
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 1: I'm going to bed because I gotta get up early

1686
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:28,680
Speaker 1: to film tomorrow. Goldberg's um is that I've had to

1687
01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:31,559
Speaker 1: for the second time. And it's not a matter of

1688
01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:36,880
Speaker 1: feeling bad for me, because I'm extraordinarily I have great gratitude,

1689
01:32:37,160 --> 01:32:39,840
Speaker 1: but I've been filming Curb and the Goldbergs at the

1690
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:45,720
Speaker 1: same time with doing stand up now gratitude that I

1691
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 1: have that opportunity, But I have to tell you it's

1692
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:52,000
Speaker 1: knocking me off my feet. I'm doing I'm working sixty

1693
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 1: hours a week. And by the way, a lot of

1694
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:56,120
Speaker 1: other people do that, right, A lot of people don't

1695
01:32:56,160 --> 01:32:59,200
Speaker 1: get paid like me. So I'm not unaware. But that

1696
01:32:59,320 --> 01:33:02,679
Speaker 1: doesn't make my body have more energy. It doesn't make

1697
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 1: me physically By the way, if I was twenty five, oh,

1698
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:08,920
Speaker 1: I could do this all day and all night and

1699
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:12,120
Speaker 1: not and it is what it is. So I'm doing it,

1700
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:16,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? But I am it's a lot. Okay,

1701
01:33:16,200 --> 01:33:19,320
Speaker 1: So how long have I go to therapy? Oh, well,

1702
01:33:19,560 --> 01:33:22,799
Speaker 1: with a great therapist? Now for about five six years

1703
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:26,840
Speaker 1: I've had I've had other wonderful therapists, but I say

1704
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:29,120
Speaker 1: had some crappy ones. But I've been going to therapy

1705
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:34,960
Speaker 1: since my twenties. I love, my love therapy, great therapy.

1706
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:37,240
Speaker 1: By the way, I never knew you could leave therapy

1707
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:40,960
Speaker 1: feeling like, oh I accomplish something. I didn't know that.

1708
01:33:41,000 --> 01:33:43,559
Speaker 1: I feel that I'm a big believer in therapy, and

1709
01:33:43,600 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 1: I certainly go I believe at this point this like

1710
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:48,920
Speaker 1: it's a secret weapon. I mean, I get all these

1711
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:51,519
Speaker 1: insights out there and I can't believe, by the way,

1712
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:54,280
Speaker 1: it's a secret weapon. And you said the word you

1713
01:33:54,320 --> 01:33:56,559
Speaker 1: obviously have a great therapist. You said the word you

1714
01:33:56,600 --> 01:34:00,000
Speaker 1: get insights. You want insight to this adventure. By the way,

1715
01:34:00,000 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 1: a joke is, we lived to eight ninety years old

1716
01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:08,120
Speaker 1: and we still have so much more to learn. Absolutely,

1717
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 1: I was being thrown to the side at a certain

1718
01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 1: are what I was just just like I'm just getting started.

1719
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:15,960
Speaker 1: That's how I feel a fifty six. When I was

1720
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:20,720
Speaker 1: twenty years old, I knew everything. Now that i'm that's

1721
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:23,439
Speaker 1: all I deal with between working with the kids and

1722
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:27,400
Speaker 1: the Goldberg's lovely working with talking with my children. Everyone

1723
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:30,200
Speaker 1: knows everything, but that's normal. I knew everything, you know,

1724
01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:33,360
Speaker 1: but especially even you know, I think you know, we

1725
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:35,680
Speaker 1: all have these things where I said ship and I

1726
01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:38,080
Speaker 1: thought I knew ship that I just did not know.

1727
01:34:38,280 --> 01:34:40,120
Speaker 1: I know, I wouldn't now people ask me a question

1728
01:34:40,120 --> 01:34:42,760
Speaker 1: I I don't know. Before I would say, oh, I

1729
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:44,600
Speaker 1: definitely know this is what you should do, or I

1730
01:34:44,720 --> 01:34:48,080
Speaker 1: like to say I think, but you know, I'm just

1731
01:34:48,120 --> 01:34:51,120
Speaker 1: telling you my opinion. I don't know that it's a fact. Well,

1732
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:53,680
Speaker 1: this has been fascinating, Jeff. You know, we need a

1733
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:57,080
Speaker 1: whole another podcast that has nothing to do with the

1734
01:34:57,120 --> 01:35:03,240
Speaker 1: anchors of your career and just talking about life. Interesting. Well,

1735
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:07,120
Speaker 1: your your your pieces, whether they be about life or

1736
01:35:07,240 --> 01:35:10,679
Speaker 1: um uh, you wrote about better things. I write that piece.

1737
01:35:10,720 --> 01:35:14,559
Speaker 1: I love her and I love that show. Um I

1738
01:35:14,640 --> 01:35:17,559
Speaker 1: just I can't get enough of your work. Thank you.

1739
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:20,479
Speaker 1: And by the way, I've been told because I only

1740
01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:22,559
Speaker 1: there's an archive, I can go back and look at

1741
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:24,479
Speaker 1: older ones. Right, well, you are like setting me up.

1742
01:35:24,479 --> 01:35:26,320
Speaker 1: It's like being a late night show. Go to left

1743
01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:29,200
Speaker 1: sets dot com slash word press and you can read

1744
01:35:29,280 --> 01:35:32,559
Speaker 1: since two thousand five. Well, fantastic, I'm gonna I'm gonna

1745
01:35:32,600 --> 01:35:35,720
Speaker 1: do that. Now you're interviewing me, Jeff has been by

1746
01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:38,320
Speaker 1: the way, that's that's what it is. It's a conversation

1747
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:40,240
Speaker 1: right right. You're making me look good, just like you

1748
01:35:40,240 --> 01:35:43,000
Speaker 1: said you do with other actors. Thanks so much. Till

1749
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 1: next time, it's been Jeff Garland of the Bob Left

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01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:46,360
Speaker 1: Sets Podcast