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Speaker 2: In October of nineteen ninety five, something strange was going

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Speaker 2: on inside the Flick home at three h two McNabb

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Speaker 2: Street in Rector, Arkansas. The family was made up of

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Speaker 2: thirty six year old David Flick, his wife, four year

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Speaker 2: old Barbara, their daughter, eleven year old Andrea Flick, and

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Speaker 2: David had a transmission shop. Friends and family said that

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Speaker 2: They found that no one in Florida had seen David,

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Speaker 2: Aaron driving his stepfather's pickup truck around Paragold. That weekend

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Speaker 2: the Friday night football game. On October thirteenth, nineteen ninety five,

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Speaker 2: Aaron drove to the homecoming game and parties in David's

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Speaker 2: another officer, Terry Prewitt, then went to the Flick family

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Speaker 2: on Saturday, October fourteenth. Aaron lived in a converted garage.

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Speaker 2: Part of the house, but it was his own kind

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Speaker 2: When the police asked Aaron about his family, he said

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Speaker 2: This time Officer Prewett asked if he could get access

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Speaker 2: testing later showed they had been dead for about a week.

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Speaker 2: What happened to turn this seemingly perfect family into a

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Speaker 3: I'm Catherine Townsend.

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Speaker 2: Line police In. Arkansas we're interviewing seventeen year Old Aaron

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Speaker 2: hodge about a possible involvement the triple homicide of his entire.

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Speaker 2: Family aaron was. Crying he said he had no idea what. Happened,

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Speaker 2: meanwhile police were processing the crime. Scene inside the, house

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Speaker 2: the doorway To andrea's room was. Locked police busted it

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Speaker 2: wearing only her underwear and had been covered up with her.

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Speaker 2: Comforter andrea's white shorts AND t shirt were on the

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Speaker 2: been a defensive. Position detectives said they felt like she

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Speaker 2: had struggled with her, killer and that her killer had

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Speaker 2: used a pillow to muffle the noise from the. Gun

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Speaker 2: aaron lived in a converted bedroom right off the. Garage

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Speaker 2: his room was neat with no trace of. Blood police

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Speaker 2: did fine shells from a thirty eight caliber weapon In aaron's.

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Speaker 2: Room they later said that the murder weapon had been

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Speaker 2: a thirty eight caliber gun like the one owned By David.

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Speaker 2: Flick police followed the trail of blood down the hall

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Speaker 2: To barber's. Bedroom they found her lying on her bed

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Speaker 2: in her, nightgown with layers of bedding covering her. Body

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Speaker 2: sleeping when she was. Attacked they Found david's body there,

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Speaker 2: too face, down at the foot Of barbara's water. Bed

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Speaker 2: he was wearing blue pants and a WHITE t. Shirt

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Speaker 2: police noted they found no signs of a struggle in this.

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Speaker 3: Room there were pulls of.

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Speaker 2: Blood on the living room sofa and a blood trail

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Speaker 2: down the hallway of the house that had been covered

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Speaker 2: up with. Pillows officers believed the killer had used the

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Speaker 2: was a lot that police didn't know because the bodies Of,

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Speaker 2: David andrea And barbara were too decomposed to know exactly

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Speaker 2: There all three victims were bloated and covered in large

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Speaker 2: blisters that were filled with. Fluid all of them had

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Speaker 2: been shot in the head at close. Range barbara And

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Speaker 2: andrea had each been shot. Once david had been shot three.

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Speaker 2: how long the police had been asking questions about the

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Speaker 2: family and how Long aaron had been stalling with giving

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Speaker 2: them any. Information On october, fourteenth after Officers pruitt And

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Speaker 2: imbriden talked To aaron at three am and he said

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Speaker 2: shop to see if they could find any. Clues police

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Speaker 2: Asked david's employee if he had noticed. Anything he said

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Speaker 2: that a toolbox Of david's had been broken, into there

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Speaker 2: was some, money and a gun that belonged To david.

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Speaker 2: the police Had aaron in. Custody when they got to

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Speaker 2: the interview, Room Officer, leach the officer who was Interrogating,

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Speaker 2: aaron Asked aarin to tell him what he. Knew aaron

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Speaker 2: Officer leach asked what condition they were in if they were.

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Speaker 2: Okay aaron, said they're. Dead so Then aaron told his

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Speaker 2: version of the. Story, first he said he wasn't sure

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Speaker 2: what happened to his. Family, later he completely denied having

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Speaker 2: anything to do with their. Deaths he basically said that

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Speaker 2: Flick Barbara, flick And Andrea flick were supposed to arrive In,

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Speaker 2: florida police were Interviewing aaron at the deaths of his family,

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Speaker 2: members But erin claimed that he didn't kill his. Family

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Speaker 2: he said that his, Stepfather David, flick had Killed andrea

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Speaker 2: Arin Arin now said That david had been cheating On

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Speaker 2: barbara and that they had been sleeping. Separately aaron claimed

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Speaker 2: to be reunited with his mother and. Sister aarin admitted

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Speaker 2: that he did break Into david's. Store he stole his

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Speaker 2: stepfather's gun in, cash but he said he did that

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Speaker 2: Because david owed him. Money aaron said he and a

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Speaker 2: friend of his Named David gun had broken in To david's.

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Speaker 2: Shop after that he went. Home he had the gun

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Speaker 2: so he said he went to his bedroom and locked the.

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Speaker 2: Door while in the, bedroom he claimed he was counting

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Speaker 2: into his room and found him with the gun and the.

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Speaker 2: Money he said that he and his stepfather got into an.

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Speaker 2: he told his stepfather he wished that he was. Dead,

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Speaker 2: Then aaron claimed that his stepfather was trying to Get

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Speaker 2: he came back to the, house he heard something a,

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Speaker 2: gurgling snoring kind of noise coming From. David david was

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Speaker 2: on the. Couch he noticed there was blood pouring off

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Speaker 2: aaron said that he was horrified to find his mother

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Speaker 2: david had, done he shot his stepfather's body two more

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Speaker 2: times because he was so angry at. Him police Asked

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Speaker 2: daron why he hadn't called the authorities to report that

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Speaker 2: his parents and sister were. Dead he, said, basically he was.

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Speaker 2: Scared he said that he was afraid that police would

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Speaker 2: blame him for the, killings so he just shut the

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Speaker 2: didn't end for several.

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Speaker 3: Days could this be?

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Speaker 2: Possible Could aaron have found the bodies, and in some

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Speaker 2: kind of disassociated state of, shock just Moved david into

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Speaker 2: aaron's version of events was even.

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Speaker 3: Possible was this just.

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Speaker 2: A terrified teen who was disassociated from reality after abuse

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Speaker 2: at home or a cold blooded. Killer in the days

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Speaker 2: between his family's deaths and police discovering the, Bodies aaron lived.

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Speaker 2: Large he drove David it's black nineteen eighty NINE gmc

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Speaker 2: had stolen from the. Shop he also Used david's credit.

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Speaker 2: Cards witnesses told police That aaron spent money on clothes AT. J. C,

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Speaker 2: penny on gas and other, items and That aaron was

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Speaker 2: Signing david's name for these. Purchases one Of aaron's friends

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Speaker 2: told police he saw receipts for big amounts six hundred

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Speaker 2: to seven hundred, dollars and when friends and family members

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Speaker 2: would Ask arin where his parents, were he told everyone

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Speaker 2: that they were on vacation In. Florida after police Told

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Speaker 2: aaron they found the, bodies he insisted That david had murdered.

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Speaker 2: Them police talked To david And barbara's. Friends many of

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Speaker 2: them Said david And barbara had a lot of problems With,

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Speaker 2: aaron and one friend Of barbara's confessed something even more.

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Speaker 2: Suspicious she said Both barbara And david had been afraid Of.

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Speaker 2: Erin they said That aaron had issues at, school that

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Speaker 2: he had recently been suspended for a day for making

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Speaker 2: an obscene gesture while the class picture was being, taken.

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Speaker 3: But things were more serious than just school.

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Speaker 2: PRANKS a friend Of david's who worked with him at

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Speaker 2: the transmission shop told police That david had Bought aaron

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Speaker 2: A mustang for his sixteenth, birthday but that one condition

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Speaker 2: of buying the car was That aaron had to maintain good,

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Speaker 2: grades But aarin, Didn't his grades slipped and the car

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Speaker 2: was taken. Away Then arin got stopped at THE asu.

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Speaker 2: Campus he gave his name As Aaron flick and apparently

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Speaker 2: Anne david also confided in his friend That arin had

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Speaker 2: choked his Sister andrea because she wouldn't give him. Money

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Speaker 2: david told his friend that he was ready to Leave

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Speaker 2: barbara because he couldn't Discipline aaron the way he wanted,

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Speaker 2: to but he said he wouldn't leave because of his.

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Speaker 3: Love for his.

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Speaker 2: Daughter so tensions were rising inside that. House but what

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Speaker 2: could have happened that led to the triple. Homicide friends

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Speaker 2: Of aaron said that he drank and took. Drugs his,

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Speaker 2: grandmother the grandmother he said he was supposed to stay,

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Speaker 2: with was the only one WHO i can find in

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Speaker 2: police interviews who actually had some nice things to say About.

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Speaker 2: Aaron she apparently described him as being a mild mannered.

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Speaker 2: Person in, fact things had gotten so bad Between aaron

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Speaker 2: and his parents they were planning on sending him to

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Speaker 2: a juvenile facility The Arkansas Baptist Boys ranch In, harrison

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Speaker 2: and the relationship Between aaron and his, Stepfather david was particularly.

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Speaker 2: Tumultuous police talked To aaron's, Friend David. Gunn this friend

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Speaker 2: later testified That aaron asked him if he would drive

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Speaker 2: erin to his stepfather's transmission shop at eleven pm On,

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Speaker 2: Sunday october, eighth nineteen ninety. Five when they got, There

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Speaker 2: aaron tried his keys in the, door but the keys didn't,

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Speaker 2: work So david said that Anir aaron broke into the

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Speaker 2: shop and then broke open a. Toolbox all there was

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Speaker 2: in there was fifty, dollars Which aaron. Stole the friend

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Speaker 2: testified this seemed to be kind of a surprise To,

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Speaker 2: aaron Because aaron said he expected to find more. Money

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Speaker 2: aaron's friends said That aaron also stole a pistol a

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Speaker 2: holster in shells from the. Toolbox he said That aaron

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Speaker 2: loaded five shells into that. Pistol after, That David gunn

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Speaker 2: said that he And aaron took a ride and drove

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Speaker 2: to a. Cemetery aaron got out of the car and said.

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Speaker 3: He needed to.

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Speaker 2: Think then he came back to the. Car they drove

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Speaker 2: To aaron's. House aaron walked in carrying that stolen. Pistol

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Speaker 2: the next time he Saw aaron was when he was

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Speaker 2: at school the next day driving his stepfather's. Truck police

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Speaker 2: were trying to establish a timeline because of the fact

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Speaker 2: That aaron was driving the. Truck police believed the family

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Speaker 2: were killed on the night Of october, eighth nineteen ninety,

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Speaker 2: five which means they would have been lying there for

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Speaker 2: five days until the thirteenth or the early morning hours

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Speaker 2: of the, fourteenth when they were. Found more than one

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Speaker 2: person told police it was very unusual For aaron to

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Speaker 2: be driving his stepfather's. Vehicle they knew he did not

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Speaker 2: normally have permission to drive that. TRUCK a lot of

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Speaker 2: people told Police aaron and his stepfather did not get,

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Speaker 2: along And aaron didn't just drive the truck to school

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Speaker 2: that one. Day he drove his stepfather's truck for several.

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Speaker 2: Days he took his friends to the, Movies he drove

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Speaker 2: Around rector And paragold And jonesboro in the, truck and

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Speaker 2: he threw parties at. Home police talked to a lot

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Speaker 2: of teenagers who said they were drinking and smoking pot

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Speaker 2: in that apartment all. Week police also talked to a

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Speaker 2: young woman who testified she had sex With aaron in

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Speaker 2: his bedroom off the. Garage some people at the parties

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Speaker 2: said they noticed a bad smell even though the bodies

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Speaker 2: were in the main part of the. House they Said

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Speaker 2: aaron had excus. Uses he told them the sewer was backing.

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Speaker 2: Up he told others it was cat.

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Speaker 3: Litter he.

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Speaker 2: Said there was work and remodeling and stuff going on

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Speaker 2: in the main part of the, house so everyone just

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Speaker 2: stayed away from. It it wasn't until much later that

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Speaker 2: these teens realized with horror they had been partying next

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Speaker 2: to three dead. Bodies his friend said during that week

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Speaker 2: That aarin seemed calm and happy and, normal that he

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Speaker 2: told more than one person it was the best week

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Speaker 2: of his.

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Speaker 3: Life he had.

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Speaker 2: Plenty of money to spend on purchases and a nice

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Speaker 2: truck to. Drive police found bloody clothing In david's, truck

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Speaker 2: along with a pillow that appeared to have a gunshot

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Speaker 2: hole in. It that was the one they believed the

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Speaker 2: killer used as a. Silencer this didn't seem to make,

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Speaker 2: sense because If aaron's version of the story was, true

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Speaker 2: Then david would have to have killed his wife and,

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Speaker 2: daughter then put that bloody pillow case into the, truck

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Speaker 2: then gone, back lay down on the sofa and shot

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Speaker 2: himself in the. Head this was something That aaron never

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Speaker 2: really explained in his version of the. Story aaron told

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Speaker 2: police he did not kill his, family but he did

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Speaker 2: tell several different versions of the. Story at, first he

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Speaker 2: said he had no idea what happened to. Them, later

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Speaker 2: according to court, documents he said he didn't remember exactly what,

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Speaker 2: happened but that he could have done. It he admitted

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Speaker 2: to police he hated his. Stepfather he said he felt

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Speaker 2: like he was out of. Control Was aaron being abused at?

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Speaker 2: Home was this just a fight that got out of,

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Speaker 2: control or was this something much more. Premeditated one friend

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Speaker 2: Of barbara's Named Darlene, bolin Testified david told her specifically

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Speaker 2: that he was afraid Of erin and afraid of quote

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Speaker 2: what was going to. Happen aaron's, Friend David, gunn also

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Speaker 2: Testified aaron had been thinking about killing his. Stepfather he

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Speaker 2: said That aaron told him six months before the murders

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Speaker 2: that he planned to Kill David flick by hitting him

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Speaker 2: on the head with a wrench and later burying the. Body,

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Speaker 2: Then aaron's friend Said aaron planned to say that his

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Speaker 2: stepfather was. Missing police didn't Believe aaron's, story but there

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Speaker 2: was gunshot residue On David flick's.

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Speaker 3: Hands an employee of.

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Speaker 2: The State Crime laboratory Testified David flick's left hand tested

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Speaker 2: positive for gunshot, residue his right hand tested. Negative the

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Speaker 2: problem was most of the gunshot residue was on the wrong,

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Speaker 2: hand Because David flick was right.

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Speaker 3: Handed when the state crime.

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Speaker 2: Expert was asked about this in, court she Said david

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Speaker 2: could have had that residue on his hands because he

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Speaker 2: had fired a weapon, recently but it also could have

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Speaker 2: been there for other. Reasons for, example it could have

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Speaker 2: rubbed off On david if his body was dragged away

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Speaker 2: by some person who had gunshot residue on their own.

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Speaker 2: Hands police were not Buying aaron's. Story aaron was charged

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Speaker 2: with triple capital murder for the killings Of, David, barbara And.

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Speaker 2: Andrea at, Trial aaron's defense attorneys said his, Father David,

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Speaker 2: flick was the, killer that he Killed barbara And andrea

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Speaker 2: and then shot. Himself they claimed That david shot his

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Speaker 2: wife and daughter using his left hand so his non

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Speaker 2: dominant hand to, fire and that he used the pillowcases

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Speaker 2: as homemade silencers to muffle the. Sounds aaron's lawyers set

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Speaker 2: in court that he was so distraught after coming home

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Speaker 2: and finding his mother and sister's bodies And david lying

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Speaker 2: on the sofa already, dead that he Shot david twice

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Speaker 2: more in the, head and that after trying to cover

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Speaker 2: up the bodies and, blood he basically disassociated with.

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Speaker 3: Reality at, trial.

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Speaker 2: The state and the defense painted two very different versions

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Speaker 2: of what was really going on behind closed doors inside

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Speaker 2: The flick. House there was no question there were major

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Speaker 2: problems in that. Home had hated his, stepfather and at

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Speaker 2: least one Of barbara's close friends testified That aaron's parents

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Speaker 2: were afraid of, him and there were some things that

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Speaker 2: police found that would seem, to at least on the,

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Speaker 2: surface back up some of the things That aaron was

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Speaker 2: saying about infidelity In barbara And david's, relationship because when

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Speaker 2: police searched the transmission, shop they found what was described

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Speaker 2: as sex paraphernalia in. There according to police, reports there

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Speaker 2: were photographs in that, shop and one of those, photographs

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Speaker 2: according to court, documents seemed to back up the fact

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Speaker 2: That barbara was engaged in some kind of sexual activity

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Speaker 2: and that there were images of, Her but it's really

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Speaker 2: not clear whether that was evidence of her having an

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Speaker 2: affair with someone else or whether the pictures just Showed

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Speaker 2: barbara And, honestly it's confusing because these pictures were in her,

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Speaker 2: Husband david's, Toolbox so it does beg the, question if

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Speaker 2: it was Showing barbara engaging in, infidelity Why david would

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Speaker 2: keep those pictures in his own. Toolbox that is still

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a. Mystery aaron's attorneys seemed to

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Speaker 2: be making the point that those photographs could have Caused

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Speaker 2: david to fly into a rage and could have led

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Speaker 2: to a volatle argument on the evening Of october, eighth

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Speaker 2: but those photographs were not allowed in. Court even if

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Speaker 2: there was a huge fight in the, home what would

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Speaker 2: Motivate aarin to kill his? Mother the prosecutors believe that

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Speaker 2: it was the prospect Of david's mother siding with his

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Speaker 2: stepfather and planning to Send erin away to a juvenile.

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Speaker 3: Home but what about his Sister.

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Speaker 2: Andrea even If aaron flew into a rage and killed his,

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Speaker 2: stepfather who he admitted to people he, hated and his,

430
00:26:30,521 --> 00:26:33,921
Speaker 2: mother how could he kill his eleven year old, sister

431
00:26:34,441 --> 00:26:37,441
Speaker 2: who even those who didn't Like aaron admit.

432
00:26:37,241 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 3: He seemed to truly.

433
00:26:38,241 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 2: Love but it turned out That aaron's relationship with his

434
00:26:42,161 --> 00:26:45,721
Speaker 2: Sister andrea was not straightforward As aaron may have told.

435
00:26:45,801 --> 00:26:50,201
Speaker 2: People remember that friend Of, david's the one who told police,

436
00:26:50,241 --> 00:26:53,761
Speaker 2: that according To, David aaron choked his sister because she

437
00:26:53,801 --> 00:26:58,041
Speaker 2: wouldn't give him. Money that same friend said That david

438
00:26:58,121 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 2: did not want erin in the house because he Said

439
00:27:01,641 --> 00:27:05,041
Speaker 2: aaron had threatened to Kill andrea if she Told david

440
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,561
Speaker 2: About aaron hurting her or stealing her. Money things had

441
00:27:08,561 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 2: gotten so bad that in the three to five months

442
00:27:11,641 --> 00:27:16,201
Speaker 2: before the, Killings david was so worried he would not

443
00:27:16,601 --> 00:27:20,441
Speaker 2: Leave andrea alone When aarin was, there And andrea was

444
00:27:20,521 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: so scared of her brother that she would lock herself

445
00:27:23,641 --> 00:27:27,401
Speaker 2: in her. Room the state Claimed aaron did it because

446
00:27:27,401 --> 00:27:30,881
Speaker 2: he wanted to. Party they introduced evidence of his behavior

447
00:27:31,001 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 2: during the week after the murders to speak to his

448
00:27:32,961 --> 00:27:36,281
Speaker 2: state of. Mind they said he drank, smoke, pot had

449
00:27:36,361 --> 00:27:39,961
Speaker 2: sex and three, parties that he spent his stepfather's money

450
00:27:40,001 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 2: and stole his credit. Cards they claimed that he had

451
00:27:43,281 --> 00:27:47,201
Speaker 2: no rem and that one Of aaron's motives in killing

452
00:27:47,241 --> 00:27:51,161
Speaker 2: his victims was his desire to engage in a hedonistic,

453
00:27:51,201 --> 00:27:54,641
Speaker 2: lifestyle one that presumably he could not have engaged in

454
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:59,881
Speaker 2: unless there were no adult. Witnesses Aaron hodge was found.

455
00:27:59,921 --> 00:28:04,001
Speaker 2: Guilty when asked by the judge if he had anything to, Say.

456
00:28:04,321 --> 00:28:05,761
Speaker 3: Aaron, Replied i'm not.

457
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 2: Guilty at the, time The Circuit court was required to

458
00:28:09,681 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 2: Sentence aron to the mandatory sentence life without the possibility of,

459
00:28:13,921 --> 00:28:18,641
Speaker 2: parole so in nineteen ninety, Six Aaron hodge was sent

460
00:28:18,721 --> 00:28:21,521
Speaker 2: to serve his time in maximum security at The East

461
00:28:21,601 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 2: Arkansas Regional unit In, marianna where he has been for

462
00:28:24,921 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 2: the last twenty nine. Years Aaron hodge is still in,

463
00:28:36,921 --> 00:28:42,121
Speaker 2: prison but he has a, Girlfriend. Jennifer jennifer Met aaron

464
00:28:42,161 --> 00:28:45,121
Speaker 2: as a. Child they reac connected much later when she

465
00:28:45,201 --> 00:28:48,641
Speaker 2: was going through a divorce in her. Forties jennifer said

466
00:28:48,881 --> 00:28:50,521
Speaker 2: she believes In aaron's.

467
00:28:50,521 --> 00:28:54,041
Speaker 4: INNOCENCE i think we were probably about nine ten years,

468
00:28:54,041 --> 00:28:55,961
Speaker 4: old and he lived right around the corner from my,

469
00:28:56,001 --> 00:28:57,641
Speaker 4: grandma SO i saw him all the time with his,

470
00:28:57,721 --> 00:29:00,601
Speaker 4: sister and our friends were kind of all the, same

471
00:29:00,641 --> 00:29:02,521
Speaker 4: AND i mean it was just an odd, Thing LIKE

472
00:29:02,641 --> 00:29:05,801
Speaker 4: i remember. SEVENTEEN i didn't talk to him from when

473
00:29:05,841 --> 00:29:09,521
Speaker 4: he was seventeen until about about three and a half years. Ago,

474
00:29:09,561 --> 00:29:12,241
Speaker 4: NOW i guess every year that he, went you, know

475
00:29:12,241 --> 00:29:13,761
Speaker 4: he'd have to come over here To, johnsboro And i'm

476
00:29:13,801 --> 00:29:15,881
Speaker 4: not even really sure for, what but he would have

477
00:29:15,921 --> 00:29:18,561
Speaker 4: to come over here And i'd see him on THE

478
00:29:19,641 --> 00:29:22,041
Speaker 4: ki two would slash that picture and it just break

479
00:29:22,081 --> 00:29:24,401
Speaker 4: my heart because he just looks but that's not even

480
00:29:24,441 --> 00:29:26,641
Speaker 4: what he looks. Like for, One i'll send you a picture,

481
00:29:26,721 --> 00:29:29,281
Speaker 4: too that's not even any of the pictures you see

482
00:29:29,441 --> 00:29:31,361
Speaker 4: of me looks so scary and he's. Not he does

483
00:29:31,401 --> 00:29:32,081
Speaker 4: not even look like.

484
00:29:32,121 --> 00:29:33,721
Speaker 3: That jennifer.

485
00:29:33,841 --> 00:29:36,281
Speaker 2: Said she And aaron started writing letters to each, other

486
00:29:36,841 --> 00:29:40,481
Speaker 2: which led to video, visits and then, eventually she said

487
00:29:40,481 --> 00:29:43,521
Speaker 2: that he opened up about what he claimed happened during

488
00:29:43,521 --> 00:29:46,121
Speaker 2: that fateful week In october in nineteen ninety.

489
00:29:46,161 --> 00:29:49,361
Speaker 4: Seven she had cheated And aaron was going out in

490
00:29:49,361 --> 00:29:51,401
Speaker 4: his face Because aaron had gotten them and he was

491
00:29:51,401 --> 00:29:52,761
Speaker 4: a punk, kid and he'll tell you, that he, Said

492
00:29:52,761 --> 00:29:54,521
Speaker 4: but that doesn't MEAN i killed my, mom you. Know

493
00:29:55,481 --> 00:29:58,001
Speaker 4: and they were into. It she was into it with.

494
00:29:58,081 --> 00:30:01,521
Speaker 4: Him aaron left to go to his friend's, house was

495
00:30:01,561 --> 00:30:03,761
Speaker 4: gone not long at. All when he came, back he,

496
00:30:03,801 --> 00:30:06,881
Speaker 4: said he walked, in he's heard something gurgling or, whatever

497
00:30:07,081 --> 00:30:09,761
Speaker 4: all the exact, words but his mom and sister were

498
00:30:09,761 --> 00:30:12,081
Speaker 4: dead and his stepdad had shot himself and he put

499
00:30:12,121 --> 00:30:14,361
Speaker 4: three more rounds. In it might believe it's his, words

500
00:30:14,401 --> 00:30:17,881
Speaker 4: but again that needs to come from. Him but it's

501
00:30:17,881 --> 00:30:20,481
Speaker 4: always been the. Same it's never changed, ever not. Once

502
00:30:21,201 --> 00:30:23,641
Speaker 4: eight months in is when he started opening up about.

503
00:30:23,681 --> 00:30:28,201
Speaker 4: It and Then i'd had a teenager go through adolescents

504
00:30:28,201 --> 00:30:30,881
Speaker 4: who we just, had you, know just buck wild and

505
00:30:31,441 --> 00:30:35,041
Speaker 4: went through. Stuff and SO i think that's WHY i

506
00:30:35,081 --> 00:30:37,241
Speaker 4: was put in the situation to be able to understand

507
00:30:37,281 --> 00:30:40,121
Speaker 4: and hear it WHEN i, did and oh my, GOSH i,

508
00:30:40,121 --> 00:30:42,001
Speaker 4: MEAN i JUST i remember when he told this story

509
00:30:42,001 --> 00:30:44,201
Speaker 4: to me the first, time all the way, through my knee.

510
00:30:44,281 --> 00:30:46,601
Speaker 4: BUCKLED i, mean they just boockled BECAUSE i, KNEW i

511
00:30:46,681 --> 00:30:48,561
Speaker 4: knew in my heart that he was killing the.

512
00:30:48,601 --> 00:30:53,161
Speaker 2: Truth in twenty, twelve there was another strange twist in

513
00:30:53,201 --> 00:30:58,441
Speaker 2: this case because THE Us Supreme court decided that mandatory

514
00:30:58,761 --> 00:31:01,921
Speaker 2: life without the possibility of parole sentences for miners were.

515
00:31:01,961 --> 00:31:05,881
Speaker 2: Unconstitutional so that meant people under the age of eighteen

516
00:31:05,921 --> 00:31:09,121
Speaker 2: who were given a sentence of life without parole could

517
00:31:09,161 --> 00:31:14,521
Speaker 2: be eligible for. Resentencing this Included Aaron, hodge so this

518
00:31:14,721 --> 00:31:17,881
Speaker 2: paved the way For aaron to get another sentencing, hearing

519
00:31:18,441 --> 00:31:23,241
Speaker 2: which happened On december, sixth twenty twenty, two once again

520
00:31:23,401 --> 00:31:26,961
Speaker 2: information was presented to a jury in Craig Head. County

521
00:31:27,201 --> 00:31:30,481
Speaker 2: that jury Gave aaron a sentence of thirty, years which

522
00:31:30,521 --> 00:31:34,281
Speaker 2: meant that with time, Served Aaron hodge could be free

523
00:31:34,721 --> 00:31:37,241
Speaker 2: in as little as three, years which.

524
00:31:37,001 --> 00:31:39,361
Speaker 3: Would be the year twenty twenty.

525
00:31:39,361 --> 00:31:43,481
Speaker 2: Five he was eligible for parole before and went before

526
00:31:43,521 --> 00:31:46,921
Speaker 2: the parole board in twenty twenty, three but the information

527
00:31:47,001 --> 00:31:49,801
Speaker 2: THAT i could find said that the parole hearing that

528
00:31:49,841 --> 00:31:53,001
Speaker 2: happened in twenty twenty three was. Deferred so as of,

529
00:31:53,081 --> 00:31:58,841
Speaker 2: Today Aaron hodge is still behind, bars but he could

530
00:31:58,881 --> 00:32:04,561
Speaker 2: be free very. Soon jennifer said that her family had

531
00:32:04,601 --> 00:32:08,721
Speaker 2: expressed concerns about her relationship With, aaron but she says

532
00:32:08,761 --> 00:32:11,401
Speaker 2: some of them now believe That aaron is a changed.

533
00:32:11,441 --> 00:32:14,481
Speaker 4: MAN i was, like, look just go back down telling

534
00:32:14,521 --> 00:32:17,441
Speaker 4: you and he was this completely different. Person he Found,

535
00:32:17,441 --> 00:32:20,481
Speaker 4: god he you, know and everything he's saying out That he's,

536
00:32:20,481 --> 00:32:22,161
Speaker 4: LIKE i just want to have a house on the

537
00:32:22,241 --> 00:32:25,361
Speaker 4: end of the road with a dog and be able

538
00:32:25,401 --> 00:32:27,681
Speaker 4: to see a, sunset AND i see.

539
00:32:27,721 --> 00:32:32,241
Speaker 2: It aaron continues to maintain his innocence as he has

540
00:32:32,321 --> 00:32:35,561
Speaker 2: for the past thirty, years and his girlfriend says she

541
00:32:35,681 --> 00:32:36,681
Speaker 2: believes that he should be.

542
00:32:36,761 --> 00:32:39,641
Speaker 4: Released he talks about the sunset and goes over and,

543
00:32:39,641 --> 00:32:41,041
Speaker 4: over and he, said the first TIME i get out

544
00:32:41,041 --> 00:32:43,201
Speaker 4: of him and take a picture of the, sunset where

545
00:32:43,281 --> 00:32:45,681
Speaker 4: WERE I Whatever i'm, doing And i'm going to post

546
00:32:45,721 --> 00:32:49,081
Speaker 4: it on My facebook with my, name And i'm not gonna,

547
00:32:49,121 --> 00:32:52,481
Speaker 4: hide because you know, what everybody want to delve their,

548
00:32:52,521 --> 00:32:55,121
Speaker 4: life and they, did and they'll answer To god for.

549
00:32:55,201 --> 00:32:58,481
Speaker 4: That but this is my, turn And i'm going to

550
00:32:58,521 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 4: be exactly Who i'm going to, be And i'm going

551
00:33:01,521 --> 00:33:03,561
Speaker 4: to Thank god for it and realize how LUCKY i

552
00:33:03,601 --> 00:33:03,921
Speaker 4: am every.

553
00:33:04,001 --> 00:33:09,081
Speaker 2: Day of, course not everyone agreed with. This family members

554
00:33:09,081 --> 00:33:12,121
Speaker 2: and people close to the victims believed the rightful killer

555
00:33:12,521 --> 00:33:16,241
Speaker 2: was and is behind, bars and that releasing him will

556
00:33:16,281 --> 00:33:20,201
Speaker 2: be dangerous to the. Community aaron has had several disciplinary

557
00:33:20,281 --> 00:33:24,801
Speaker 2: violations while incarcerated at The East Arkansas REGIONAL. MAX a

558
00:33:24,881 --> 00:33:28,801
Speaker 2: petition on change dot org that has been circulated by

559
00:33:28,841 --> 00:33:32,801
Speaker 2: supporters of the victims' families claimed that the rescenencing hearing

560
00:33:32,881 --> 00:33:36,561
Speaker 2: was biased Because aaron was able to, quote introduce new,

561
00:33:36,601 --> 00:33:39,601
Speaker 2: evidence and spew wise and hatred on the stand all

562
00:33:39,641 --> 00:33:42,401
Speaker 2: the while us the victims were told to either stick

563
00:33:42,441 --> 00:33:44,321
Speaker 2: with what was said in the original try or have

564
00:33:44,401 --> 00:33:49,161
Speaker 2: our victim impact statements heavily edited end quote this. Petition

565
00:33:49,441 --> 00:33:52,921
Speaker 2: justice for The flicks said they believe that quote the

566
00:33:53,001 --> 00:33:56,081
Speaker 2: people Of, Rector arkansas on, us the victims who were

567
00:33:56,081 --> 00:34:00,041
Speaker 2: called to retestify and or to read victim's impact statements

568
00:34:00,361 --> 00:34:04,521
Speaker 2: are all potentially in danger of his wrath once he is.

569
00:34:04,601 --> 00:34:05,481
Speaker 3: Released end.

570
00:34:05,561 --> 00:34:09,841
Speaker 2: Quote they have asked that people reading the petition contact

571
00:34:09,881 --> 00:34:12,841
Speaker 2: the local government representatives to voice their opinions about the

572
00:34:12,921 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: danger of Releasing. Aron so, far this petition has gotten one,

573
00:34:20,241 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: thousand two hundred.

574
00:34:21,321 --> 00:34:22,121
Speaker 3: And sixty seven.

575
00:34:22,161 --> 00:34:26,281
Speaker 2: Signatures considering that there are only one eight hundred and

576
00:34:26,281 --> 00:34:30,161
Speaker 2: twenty three people In, Rector, arkansas two hundred and sixty

577
00:34:30,201 --> 00:34:34,321
Speaker 2: seven people signing a petition is a huge. Number many

578
00:34:34,361 --> 00:34:37,881
Speaker 2: of the people who attended parties At aaron's house during

579
00:34:37,921 --> 00:34:40,561
Speaker 2: the week That aaron was there with his family's bodies

580
00:34:41,121 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: have commented on social media that they they are afraid

581
00:34:44,761 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 2: that When aaron gets, out that he'll remember that they

582
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,321
Speaker 2: talk to the. Police does the fact that he continues

583
00:34:51,361 --> 00:34:56,801
Speaker 2: to deny the killings mean that he has disassociated himself from, them.

584
00:34:56,281 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 3: Or that he has no.

585
00:34:57,641 --> 00:35:01,801
Speaker 2: Remorse as the clock ticks down to his, release the

586
00:35:01,881 --> 00:35:08,361
Speaker 2: community continues to be. Divided I'm Katherine. Townsend this Is

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00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,521
Speaker 2: Helen Gone Murder. Line Helen Gone murderline is a production

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00:35:12,601 --> 00:35:15,561
Speaker 2: Of school Of humans And iHeart. Podcasts it's written and

589
00:35:15,601 --> 00:35:19,241
Speaker 2: narrated by Me Catherine townsend and produced By Gabby. Watts

590
00:35:19,761 --> 00:35:22,960
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591
00:35:23,161 --> 00:35:26,721
Speaker 2: For James wheaton for legal. Review noah camer mixed and

592
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