Speaker 1: I don't think anybody needs a reading. Nobody really wants
Speaker 1: to stay with me. They want their loved one friends
Speaker 1: to be here in the physical world. I want people
Speaker 1: to recognize that a medium is not going to fix
Speaker 1: their creed.
Speaker 2: John Edward, Welcome to on Purpose.
Speaker 1: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: It's great to have you here. It's not every day
Speaker 2: I get to sit down with a psychic medium and
Speaker 2: to dive into your mind, to dive into your work,
Speaker 2: to learn more about an area that I'm curious about
Speaker 2: as a form of healing and growth for people who
Speaker 2: need it and seek it out. And I think my
Speaker 2: first question to you is what do most people come
Speaker 2: to you searching for? What are they seeking when they
Speaker 2: come to you.
Speaker 1: When a client first decides that they want to see
Speaker 1: a medium, they are thinking, I want to make that
Speaker 1: connection back with the person who's left the physical world.
Speaker 1: That seeking of what they think is closure is actually
Speaker 1: really connection. So I think what they think they are
Speaker 1: seeking as closure when it becomes the connection. I want
Speaker 1: people to recognize that there's a survival of consciousness, that
Speaker 1: life and love eternal, and that medium is not going
Speaker 1: to fix their grief. So that's what they think that
Speaker 1: they're coming for like they're going to be healed, They're
Speaker 1: going to be fixed, and I think truth be told,
Speaker 1: it's going to actually set them on a path of discovery.
Speaker 2: How many people are disappointed that they're not going to
Speaker 2: get fixed and healed when they realize that's not the process,
Speaker 2: And how many people continue to actually say, no, I'm
Speaker 2: going to commit to this next phase.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the numbers would be, but I
Speaker 1: can go by feeling right. I think that in every reading,
Speaker 1: no matter how amazing the information may be, you're always
Speaker 1: starting as a deficit because nobody wants to say with me.
Speaker 1: Nobody really wants to stay with me. They want their
Speaker 1: loved one and friends to be here in the physical world,
Speaker 1: So we're already starting at a deficit. I think that
Speaker 1: there's an expectation that somebody has when they go for reading.
Speaker 1: I need to hear this, they need to say this,
Speaker 1: I need to know this, and then that kind of
Speaker 1: reflects back to them. Then I'll be okay, And they
Speaker 1: may not hear that. They may not hear from the
Speaker 1: person that they want to hear from, or they may
Speaker 1: hear from multiple people. So there's always a level of
Speaker 1: expectation management. And I think disappointment that comes into a
Speaker 1: reading is that I always want people to be like, hey,
Speaker 1: if you're not ready for this, don't go, like, process
Speaker 1: your grief in a different way, because you can't make
Speaker 1: someone come through, and you cannot make them say the
Speaker 1: things that you want them to say.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when people are coming, are they usually coming because
Speaker 2: they feel there was something I didn't say or something
Speaker 2: I didn't hear, or is it that I just missed
Speaker 2: that person and I want to access them if they
Speaker 2: had some sort of dream, experience revelation, like where's that
Speaker 2: need coming from for humans to want to connect with
Speaker 2: someone who's passed on?
Speaker 1: I think it's all of the above. I think people
Speaker 1: want to know that they're okay. I'd start there. The
Speaker 1: physical death process takes them away from us, and as
Speaker 1: a result of taking them away from us, it makes
Speaker 1: us feel absent, it makes us feel empty, it makes
Speaker 1: us feel vulnerable, and now I want to know are
Speaker 1: they okay? So what I want people to know is
Speaker 1: they are okay, but we are not the grieving or not,
Speaker 1: and we're projecting onto them our not being okay. And
Speaker 1: I think the process of them coming through is to
Speaker 1: help a usuage some of that to say, no, I'm okay. Now,
Speaker 1: let's work on you, like I'm okay, let's work on
Speaker 1: what my passing has now done. What are the obstacles
Speaker 1: in the blockages that are coming?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you're very open to skeptics, and I
Speaker 2: can imagine anyone who's listening or watching right now is
Speaker 2: just like, Jay, why are you doing this? What's the point? Like,
Speaker 2: none of this works, it's not real to make believe.
Speaker 2: And you've probably heard every excuse in the book or
Speaker 2: every thing in the book, because you've done this for
Speaker 2: a long, long, long, long long time. What has been
Speaker 2: your approach to meeting a skeptic who right now is
Speaker 2: going that is just not true, that's not possible.
Speaker 1: My approach is to come on the journey. And what
Speaker 1: I mean by that is I was that person. So
Speaker 1: at a very young age, I had a reading that
Speaker 1: put me on this path, and I had no choice
Speaker 1: but to come to the understanding that this woman was
Speaker 1: legitimate with what she was doing, because there's no way
Speaker 1: possible that she could have known what she had known.
Speaker 1: I ruled oubt that it was mind reading for the
Speaker 1: simple reason that she could not have known something that
Speaker 1: was going to happen when it wasn't in my mind
Speaker 1: if I didn't know about it. So I'm an analytical
Speaker 1: person and I was like, okay, I need to understand
Speaker 1: what this is. How did she do this? And this
Speaker 1: woman told me that I had this ability and that
Speaker 1: in that first reading that I had with her, she said,
Speaker 1: you're going to change the way millions of people look
Speaker 1: at this subject matter. I was fifteen years old. You know.
Speaker 1: When I jokingly say, it's like she could have said,
Speaker 1: I parked my spaceship in the backyard and I'll take
Speaker 1: you for a spin when we're done, right. It was
Speaker 1: like analogous to that. The reality is that sent me
Speaker 1: out a journey and I became a seeker. And I
Speaker 1: think that when we were seekers, that leads to exploration.
Speaker 1: And my exploration took me to the public library where
Speaker 1: I read every book back in nineteen eighty five on
Speaker 1: the Occult, and I was insatiable with information and my discovery,
Speaker 1: which raised my awareness was this is common sense, like
Speaker 1: everybody has this. This isn't psychic, this is just basic,
Speaker 1: like you know, we all do this. So I started
Speaker 1: asking questions. Was I would ask my high schoo friends.
Speaker 1: Haven't you ever seen your deck grandfather? The answer was no.
Speaker 1: I said, you've never had an apparition? The answer was no.
Speaker 1: Have you ever had dreams I came through? The answer
Speaker 1: was no. So I started to recognize that maybe my
Speaker 1: understanding of myself at that time I needed to reframe
Speaker 1: certain things. Then I went into the active development part.
Speaker 1: But before that, I was the person who was debunking
Speaker 1: the people that came to my grandmother's house to do readings.
Speaker 1: So I get it. But there is a difference between
Speaker 1: skepticism and cynicism. Skepticism says I'm not sure, show me.
Speaker 1: Cynicism says I'm sure. No matter what you show me,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to believe you. And I think that
Speaker 1: you can't give somebody a belief system. And I'm down
Speaker 1: with people being skeptical. The only part that I think
Speaker 1: is not cool is when somebody defines a person's personal
Speaker 1: motivations because they don't know me. So, you know, I've
Speaker 1: had every possible scenario, you know, scammer, fraud, con grift,
Speaker 1: or you name it. They kind of like fall off me.
Speaker 1: Now forty years of doing this, you're kind of like
Speaker 1: it is what it is. But the reality is, I've
Speaker 1: put myself through positions of being studied and tested. I've
Speaker 1: read for people in positions I've made sure that when
Speaker 1: I read, I'm giving information, not philosophy. So I just
Speaker 1: want people to come on that journey. You know, many
Speaker 1: years ago, there was a woman who sent me a
Speaker 1: letter and I hope I get this correctly. She was
Speaker 1: an insurance fraud investigator and she kind of took it
Speaker 1: on herself, like I don't like him, I'm gonna like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna use my skill set and I'm gonna follow
Speaker 1: him around. And so she came to different events. But
Speaker 1: before she did that, she went to the Skeptical Society
Speaker 1: meetings and she was armed with what the things to
Speaker 1: look for, and so she was looking for, you know,
Speaker 1: reading body language, verbal intonation cues, and most importantly, she
Speaker 1: wanted to see if the same people were being read
Speaker 1: in different cities that they were like you know, actors
Speaker 1: that were connected. When all was said and done, she
Speaker 1: wrote me this amazing letter and she said, Wow, I'm
Speaker 1: more concerned about the negative committation that people are putting
Speaker 1: out about what you're doing then the reality that you
Speaker 1: are just doing what you're doing. And I'm still friends
Speaker 1: with her, like twenty five years later, right, and I remember,
Speaker 1: like I got that letter and I just called her
Speaker 1: up and I was like, a name is Marsha. I
Speaker 1: was like Marcia and she's like who is this. I'm
Speaker 1: like it's Jrawn Edward and she's like, oh, I said,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to personally say thank you for the
Speaker 1: letter because she did her due diligence. She came, she watched,
Speaker 1: she saw, and I think that when people do that
Speaker 1: with legitimate mediums, I think they will think differently because
Speaker 1: it's basically showing them that there's a process that's happening here.
Speaker 1: That is not to say that there aren't a ton
Speaker 1: of other people that are out there. Go on TikTok,
Speaker 1: you'll see them right, go on Instagram and YouTube and
Speaker 1: they're there. I see them. I blocked them constantly. Skepticism
Speaker 1: is helpful, so I want everybody to have that, but
Speaker 1: be objectively skeptical. Don't be judgmental and skeptical.
Speaker 2: What are the studies that you said that have been
Speaker 2: done on you to help prove or show some of
Speaker 2: the capability that you have. What would we see if
Speaker 2: we studied your brain, or what's being scanned, what's being
Speaker 2: looked at.
Speaker 1: So the cool part for me is back in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety nine, HBO was doing a documentary called America on
Speaker 1: the cover Life After Life, and it was produced by
Speaker 1: Linda Ellerby and her production company, Lucky Duck Productions. And
Speaker 1: I had not done a lot of television. I was
Speaker 1: mostly a radio guy. I love radio because it was
Speaker 1: like interactive and live. But then they said that doctor
Speaker 1: Gary Schwartz was going to be part of this and
Speaker 1: he was going to study this. He wanted to study us,
Speaker 1: you know, Harvard Yale guy right, And I would sink, like,
Speaker 1: how do I not do that? Like one, I have
Speaker 1: a science mind, Like I like data, So I'm like,
Speaker 1: how do I not do this? And then a colleague
Speaker 1: of mine was invited. Her name is Susanne Northwrop, and
Speaker 1: I was like, Susanna, are you doing this? And She's like,
Speaker 1: how do we not do this? She's like and you know,
Speaker 1: her joke was, how do we not sit in the seat?
Speaker 1: You know, how do you not put yourself in the seat.
Speaker 1: So it was myself and gaym in, Susanne Northrop, George Anderson,
Speaker 1: and Lri Campbell. We were like five people that were
Speaker 1: you know, laborats basically, and what they were doing is
Speaker 1: they were looking at EEGs EKGs and they the first
Speaker 1: testing that we did, which was on the documentary, they
Speaker 1: put the woman that we read and they kind of
Speaker 1: looked at the data that came through. And then in science,
Speaker 1: when you do additional testing, as you know that they
Speaker 1: have to replicate and extend data points. So we did
Speaker 1: that and they introduced something called the silence sitter experiment.
Speaker 1: And then the third time we did that, there was
Speaker 1: another layer that they added in and then he compiled
Speaker 1: all that data and it ruled out that body language, verbalignations,
Speaker 1: like all of the things that the quote unquote cynics
Speaker 1: would say we're doing, they were able to establish no,
Speaker 1: we're not. And here's the data. That book was written.
Speaker 1: It's called the air Flife Experiments. And I foolishly thought,
Speaker 1: like when the studies came out and when the book
Speaker 1: got published, I was like, Okay, we're going to take
Speaker 1: this work to the next level now like people are
Speaker 1: going to go like, okay, there's like science. Oh no,
Speaker 1: they attacked the scientists. Now the scientist was crazy. And
Speaker 1: it was that moment where I recognized it doesn't matter, right,
Speaker 1: twenty percent of the population, you're going to believe. Twenty
Speaker 1: percent of the population, I'm not going to believe. And
Speaker 1: some people fall you know, somewhere within that range. So
Speaker 1: that's why I came to the place of be skeptical,
Speaker 1: question everything, so they're not taking advantage by people who
Speaker 1: are claiming to do this and can't make sure you're
Speaker 1: getting information and validation evidence that that person is talking
Speaker 1: to your relative and they're not just giving you philosophy.
Speaker 1: And I travel around the world, I do events constantly.
Speaker 1: The first part of my events are always to establish
Speaker 1: that because I want to protect people from like, you know,
Speaker 1: anybody who walks in front of a crowd of people
Speaker 1: and says, who here connects with a butterfly? Well, guess what,
Speaker 1: somebody's going to connect with a butterfly? Right, Every afterlife
Speaker 1: book has a butterfly on it because it's the quintessential transformation.
Speaker 1: So I try to do the debunking of my own
Speaker 1: field while raising the bar and kind of trying to
Speaker 1: put out there what I think people should be looking for.
Speaker 1: In my professional opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the natural consent people have, is
Speaker 2: that the human mind can project anything back onto itself.
Speaker 2: So when you say butterfly, yeah, it's like every single
Speaker 2: person and the room is thinking of that exact moment. It's
Speaker 2: almost like saying, don't think of a pink elephant, and
Speaker 2: then naturally the whole room is thinking about a pink elephant.
Speaker 1: Well, what I do is I stand in front of
Speaker 1: the crowd and I'll say I'm going to disappoint all
Speaker 1: of you right now, and they kind of get that
Speaker 1: look of like what I'm like, here's what I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about. And then I say, instead of me telling you,
Speaker 1: I'm going to show you why, and I go, who
Speaker 1: here connects with butterflies and that's your sign? And then
Speaker 1: people raise their hand. And then I go through cardinals
Speaker 1: and hummingbirds and dragonflies and finding pennies, dimes and quarters,
Speaker 1: and then I go through feathers, and then I talk
Speaker 1: about seeing eleven eleven and then other iteration of numbers.
Speaker 1: By the time I'm done, ninety percent of the room
Speaker 1: has raised their hand, and I'm like, all of that's
Speaker 1: off the table. I'm not going to bring it up.
Speaker 1: When we make connections today, we're going to go deeper
Speaker 1: and you may have to think about something that's not
Speaker 1: on your top ten list of what you want to hear.
Speaker 1: But as long as it's the fact in a validation,
Speaker 1: then it sudden you know that it's them coming through.
Speaker 1: A lot of times, it's really trivial stuff. By the way,
Speaker 1: conversations has just happened, things that you know they did
Speaker 1: when nobody else was around. But it supports that there
Speaker 1: is a survival of consciousness and that our loved ones
Speaker 1: and friends are still part of what we're doing.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about sessions with you what they
Speaker 2: look like, because I almost want to have a conversation
Speaker 2: that helps people understand what the process looks like and
Speaker 2: feels like. And I was talking to my producer, I
Speaker 2: know how to call with you before we book this
Speaker 2: and everything. So she was saying to me that when
Speaker 2: you were on zoom with her, you asked her if
Speaker 2: you could read her quickly or whatever the right language.
Speaker 2: Is that accurate? And she said, you asked her a
Speaker 2: question like who's Chris, And Chris happens to be her
Speaker 2: ex boyfriend.
Speaker 1: Remember this, I did this.
Speaker 2: And and she'd spoken to him like she'd had an
Speaker 2: interaction with him, like two days before that. She was
Speaker 2: telling me okay, and it was just like, there is
Speaker 2: nowhere that you could have reset that. Her page is
Speaker 2: a private page on social media, so you couldn't find
Speaker 2: it there. What are you experiencing? I want to know,
Speaker 2: like almost how things revealed to you, because that feels.
Speaker 2: When she was telling me that story, I was just like,
Speaker 2: that's incredible, Like that's that's.
Speaker 1: You should come to an event then, yeah, that's that's
Speaker 1: just the tip of the iceberg of like flayers of
Speaker 1: like what comes through.
Speaker 2: But I was just thinking. I was like, there's no
Speaker 2: way unless you were family friends of a distance and
Speaker 2: you knew something. It's a it's a really hard thing
Speaker 2: to pull off for somebody.
Speaker 1: That that's the good skeptical part, Like that's where I
Speaker 1: want people to have, right, so I see here and
Speaker 1: feel energy. My abilities are a clairvoyance, clear audience, and
Speaker 1: clear sentient and what that is, Yeah, well that translates it.
Speaker 1: They're like French words clare audience means clear hearing, Clairvoyance
Speaker 1: means clear seeing, claire sentience means clear feeling. And this
Speaker 1: is where I jokingly say, there's absolutely nothing clear about it.
Speaker 1: You know, it should be like cloudy seating cloudy, hearing, cloudy,
Speaker 1: cloudy feeling. And then in this kind of like downloaded vibe,
Speaker 1: I'm basically telling you what it is that I'm seeing, hearing, feeling, And.
Speaker 2: So did you see the name Chris? Did you hear it?
Speaker 1: We heard it. I've probably heard it right where it's
Speaker 1: like a download. So let me give you an example
Speaker 1: of what that means. You know, when you're reading a
Speaker 1: book where you're reading something, but your mind goes someplace
Speaker 1: else and you're thinking about something else, and then you
Speaker 1: have to go back and read read what it was.
Speaker 1: That's what it's like. So it's not an out loud voice.
Speaker 1: Nobody's yelling Chris. You know, it's like, I have two
Speaker 1: thoughts that are happening. So maybe somebody's asking me a question,
Speaker 1: and while she's asked me the question, it's like Chris,
Speaker 1: I'm like, can I ask you? Like, who's Chris? And
Speaker 1: in the case of a reading, it's just a lot
Speaker 1: of that, and then I put myself on the zone
Speaker 1: of receiving and my style of reading actually changed from
Speaker 1: the University of Arizona Studies because the second time we
Speaker 1: went out there, they said we're going to do something
Speaker 1: called the silent sitter experience, and I'm like, okay, great,
Speaker 1: what does that mean? And they said, you're going to
Speaker 1: sit there, they're going to put the person behind you,
Speaker 1: and for the first ten minutes of the reading, they're
Speaker 1: not going to talk. And I about had collitis in
Speaker 1: that moment, and I went, what do you mean they're
Speaker 1: not going to talk? And they said, we want to
Speaker 1: see if you can get information without the person having
Speaker 1: to say anything to you. And I remember thinking, I
Speaker 1: don't think I can do that, Like I think I
Speaker 1: need them to validate like what's coming through So like
Speaker 1: an athlete goes into training for a competition months leading
Speaker 1: up to that. All my clients when they would come
Speaker 1: to me, i'd be like, hey, listen, I have to
Speaker 1: go through this like science testing. Can you not talk
Speaker 1: for the first ten minutes? Can you try not to
Speaker 1: say anything? And they would be like okay. And I
Speaker 1: recognized that I was already doing it. I just didn't
Speaker 1: know that I was doing it because I would stop
Speaker 1: people from trying to say something because if they gave
Speaker 1: me a bias, it might take me in the wrong direction.
Speaker 1: I'm also like by habit, and I have to stop
Speaker 1: myself from doing an interviews, like, while I'm talking to somebody,
Speaker 1: I will drift over to a blank wall because what
Speaker 1: I do is I focus on a blank wall to
Speaker 1: see what I'm seeing in my mind's eye. So when
Speaker 1: I did my TV show Crossing Over, I didn't design this,
Speaker 1: but they came up to me and they showed me
Speaker 1: the sets. And the original set of Crossing Over had
Speaker 1: these big white sales all around the room, and I thought,
Speaker 1: why did you guys put those there? And they because, oh,
Speaker 1: we thought that it looked great, and you know, these
Speaker 1: amorphous shapes, and I'm like, perfect, That's where I would focus.
Speaker 1: So I didn't look at the clients. So that's how
Speaker 1: information comes through. I see it, I hear it, and
Speaker 1: I feel it.
Speaker 2: And do you believe that anyone can go from cloudy
Speaker 2: to clear thinking, hearing and seeing or is that something
Speaker 2: that you uniquely Obviously the medium mentioned to you at
Speaker 2: fifteen that you had that could we all fine tune
Speaker 2: ourselves to that level?
Speaker 1: Or is that I think we can all find tune
Speaker 1: ourselves to our level? Right, And there are a lot
Speaker 1: of people that you know, with the success of Crossing
Speaker 1: Over and with the success of what I've done, I
Speaker 1: have had a lot of people like come out psychic medium,
Speaker 1: and I don't believe that they're all psychic medium. I
Speaker 1: think that they might be ridiculously psychic and they would
Speaker 1: probably be better numerologists, tower readers, astrologers. But because they saw
Speaker 1: popularity with the word medium, they were like, oh, psychic medium,
Speaker 1: but they're flipping cards psych psychic medium, but I'm doing astrology.
Speaker 1: It's like, no, do what you do. And I come
Speaker 1: out of a health care background, so for me, it's
Speaker 1: like you have different specialties, right, So you have your doctors,
Speaker 1: you have your general practitioners, and then you have surgeons.
Speaker 1: So a medium is like a specialty of being a psychic.
Speaker 1: I think every person that does whatever metaphysical practice that
Speaker 1: they're doing is tapping it to their intuition, and it
Speaker 1: gives them a framework, a boundary, something to work within.
Speaker 1: So I think everybody can do that. My goal is
Speaker 1: to get people to look at life through an energetic
Speaker 1: lens and not to think that they need the medium. Right,
Speaker 1: if you could raise your awareness to a point of
Speaker 1: paying attention to your intuition, then when you're making decisions,
Speaker 1: you're making decisions based upon not fear but you're making
Speaker 1: decisions based on a feeling of this is good for
Speaker 1: me or this is not good for me. And I
Speaker 1: think if most people just sit and just sit with
Speaker 1: what's happening around them, they're going to go, Wow, this
Speaker 1: feels not good. Maybe this is not a good person
Speaker 1: for me to be around. But then we talk ourselves
Speaker 1: out of that. No, but I've known them forever and
Speaker 1: they're you know, and our families knew each other and
Speaker 1: blah blah. But meanwhile, you're the one who's keeping the
Speaker 1: relationship going. That person's not doing anything for them. So
Speaker 1: I think if people sit with what they're feeling and
Speaker 1: they're true to what they're feeling, they can make better
Speaker 1: informed decisions. So I would want people to look at
Speaker 1: life through an energetic pair of classes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then the next thing my producer said was
Speaker 2: that you asked her if she had any experience with
Speaker 2: suicide in her you know, friends and family or in
Speaker 2: her life, and she's talked to me about it before.
Speaker 2: She has had someone in her life who died by suicide.
Speaker 2: And then you asked her if she had any artwork
Speaker 2: to do with that person. And she actually has tattoos
Speaker 2: on her body that are based on that relationship, and
Speaker 2: I was like, you know that to me to do
Speaker 2: that over a zoom call. I'm sharing all of this
Speaker 2: because this happened in real time and you know it's
Speaker 2: not at an event, and just for people to get
Speaker 2: context of you doing this over someone that I know
Speaker 2: on my team, and I was thinking, wow, like you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's pretty amazing to be even to be able
Speaker 2: to do it across zoom. How does that work?
Speaker 1: It's energy, right, So it's just energy. First, I have
Speaker 1: to say thank you because I can't tell you how
Speaker 1: many people I have been interviewed by, whether it be
Speaker 1: radio or television, where stuff would happen and they would
Speaker 1: never bring something like that up. So the fact that
Speaker 1: you're doing that is just like, thank you.
Speaker 2: It's real. So I have to bring it up. It's
Speaker 2: you know, if I'm talking to my team and we
Speaker 2: always that's just it.
Speaker 1: You don't have to, oh right, okay, you don't have to.
Speaker 1: And I can't tell you how many circumstances I've been
Speaker 1: in where that validation never happened. So gratitude, thank you.
Speaker 1: But it's energy, you know, It's just simply simply energy.
Speaker 1: So there's somebody that I know that does healing work.
Speaker 1: His name is Charlie Grolsmith. And one of the things
Speaker 1: that I witnessed Charlie do was like, you know, a healing,
Speaker 1: a group healing maybe over Facebook or whatever. And I
Speaker 1: was talking to my kids and I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like interesting. I was like, I would
Speaker 1: think that as a healer, you would have to like
Speaker 1: be next to the persons like to heal them. And
Speaker 1: I see my kids look at me like I'm like what,
Speaker 1: and they're just like they'd like to kind of turn
Speaker 1: the ahead of me, and they're like, do you need
Speaker 1: to be next to the person in order to connect
Speaker 1: with them? And I had that moment of like, oh,
Speaker 1: that should have been my answer, right, but look at me.
Speaker 1: I do what I do. And I still questioned, like
Speaker 1: the process of something, why because I didn't understand it.
Speaker 1: But once I put it in the frame of reference
Speaker 1: of oh I get it now, I get it. Okay,
Speaker 1: there it.
Speaker 2: Is, so before we dive into more about the process
Speaker 2: that people actually come into and I wanted to share
Speaker 2: those examples just because I felt that they were like
Speaker 2: you said, but they were just so real to me.
Speaker 2: Someone that I know someone who's producing the show who
Speaker 2: isn't coming to you for a particular need, and for
Speaker 2: them to still have that experience was pretty powerful. How
Speaker 2: can people watch out for anyone who's misleading them, taking
Speaker 2: their money, taking advantage of them. What are the things
Speaker 2: to look out for?
Speaker 1: So I think that if you see somebody that is
Speaker 1: saying stuff like you have a curse on you that
Speaker 1: like you know, run, you know you pay me money,
Speaker 1: I'm going to take off that that curse, pay me money,
Speaker 1: onne like candles for you, like all all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. That's red flag. Red flag. Another red flag
Speaker 1: for me is when somebody who can't actually do a reading.
Speaker 1: They may be intuitive in psychic, but they're calling themselves
Speaker 1: a medium when they're not, and they then blame the
Speaker 1: person in spirit for not coming through, Like they'll say
Speaker 1: something like, your dad's not evolved enough in spirit, he
Speaker 1: needs more prayers. No he doesn't. That person just couldn't
Speaker 1: make the connection. So like, I will never blame my
Speaker 1: lack of connection on the person who's passed. I'll just
Speaker 1: say I'm sorry I can't make the connection, which means
Speaker 1: it's a me thing. I was live on a Larry
Speaker 1: King night, like you know, doing readings, and there was
Speaker 1: somebody had called up and I got nothing, like absolutely
Speaker 1: nothing on this one person. And I said, I'm so sorry,
Speaker 1: I can't make the connection with you. And we go
Speaker 1: to commercial and Larry looked at me and he's like,
Speaker 1: he's like, I might believe you more now. I went,
Speaker 1: you believe me more now because I couldn't do the reading.
Speaker 1: He said, because you could have said anything. I go, no,
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I said, I had nothing. So because I
Speaker 1: had nothing, I could not say anything. So I think
Speaker 1: we have to look at being careful that people are
Speaker 1: not just giving philosophy. And that's what they went for me,
Speaker 1: Like when someone pontificates in a reading, and I always
Speaker 1: watch it when somebody will not kind of feel like
Speaker 1: they're getting information, but then they get something right hypothetically
Speaker 1: and then there's a story that's built around it. Right.
Speaker 1: So if you know that the person's past, right, if
Speaker 1: it's a mother, it's a dad, it's whatever. There's personality traits,
Speaker 1: there's relationship dynamics that you may want to hear. Your
Speaker 1: mom wants you to know that she loves you and
Speaker 1: she's standing with you, and it's it's swirly and it's
Speaker 1: flowery and it's ornate.
Speaker 2: And everyone wants to hear it.
Speaker 1: Yeah generally, Yeah, they definitely want to hear that. And
Speaker 1: I'll say that, but I'm going to say it differently.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be like justin you know that they're okay,
Speaker 1: and they're coming through from a place of love. Now
Speaker 1: I have symbols. If I see pink roses, I know
Speaker 1: that they want me to express love. If I see
Speaker 1: pink roses with thorns on it, I know that they
Speaker 1: want me to express love. But they also want me
Speaker 1: to say in life, they couldn't do it, can't hold
Speaker 1: the flowers right their thorny. So I don't like when
Speaker 1: people give philosophy as information. I don't like when people,
Speaker 1: you know, go for the low hanging fruit. Who here
Speaker 1: has the butterfly connection? Like all of those types of things.
Speaker 1: I think you need to be careful about things like
Speaker 1: that if they're asking you for any type of like
Speaker 1: questions Like I was watching something online one day and
Speaker 1: the person said, in order for me to make the
Speaker 1: connection with you, I need you to tell me the
Speaker 1: relationship of the person who's passed the name of the
Speaker 1: person who's passed, the date that the person's passed, and
Speaker 1: how they passed, and I got levitated out of my chair.
Speaker 1: I was like, then, what are you doing? Right? So,
Speaker 1: if I'm doing a radio show, if I'm doing a
Speaker 1: call in, I might say to the person, Hey, how
Speaker 1: can I help you? Do you have a question, and
Speaker 1: they may say I'd like to try to connect my
Speaker 1: dad that's it. And then I'm going to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: I may not get your dad, but pay attention to
Speaker 1: everything that's coming through. And then I feel like my
Speaker 1: job is to interview who's coming through, who are you,
Speaker 1: how did you pass? When did you pass? Any pertinent dates?
Speaker 1: And then ultimately I'm looking for the why now right,
Speaker 1: So at the intersection of you, me and the universe,
Speaker 1: Why now? Why today? And what is that nugget that
Speaker 1: I have to mind for that I'm going to help
Speaker 1: them with. That's what I'm looking for in a session,
Speaker 1: whether I'm in front of people or if I'm going
Speaker 1: to want on one.
Speaker 2: How did you the first time you did this feel?
Speaker 2: Because you're in that reading yourself at fifteen years old?
Speaker 2: How did you even end up there in the first
Speaker 2: place doing the reading that was done on you that
Speaker 2: you had that you got the message.
Speaker 1: So my Italian side of the family, my grandmother and
Speaker 1: my mom had psychics come to the house all the time.
Speaker 1: My dad was a New York City police officer, not
Speaker 1: a fan of the subject matter, made sure that I
Speaker 1: was never around it growing up. My mom dad divorced,
Speaker 1: moved into my grandmother's house paranormal hub of activity, and
Speaker 1: for about three years when they would do stuff like that,
Speaker 1: I used to make fun of the people, you know,
Speaker 1: I would, you know, jokingly. I remember one guy, there's
Speaker 1: a card reader that they had, and after like three
Speaker 1: people came out, the third or fourth person came out
Speaker 1: and I went, wait, let me guess you're going to Florida,
Speaker 1: And the person went, yes, he said, I'm going to Florida.
Speaker 1: How did you know that, I'm like, because you live
Speaker 1: in New York. Like New Yorkers go to Florida and Aruba, Like,
Speaker 1: why is nobody going to Kansas? Right? So the reality
Speaker 1: was I was that person. So when I say, I
Speaker 1: understand SAPs skepticism. But after I had that first reading,
Speaker 1: I went to de bank Her and I went to
Speaker 1: de bunk Her because my grandmother came out of the
Speaker 1: room crying. She made my grandmother upset, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what did this woman say to you? Very protective of
Speaker 1: my grandmother, and she said no, she told me that
Speaker 1: Tony was with me. And then I felt bad because
Speaker 1: I'm like, Grandma, you were Tony was my grandfather Anthony?
Speaker 1: I was like, you were introduced as missus esposito. It's
Speaker 1: not a big stretch. It's going to be an Anthony
Speaker 1: or a Tony in your family. No, And to my
Speaker 1: grandmother's credit, she said, if you don't believe that your grandfather,
Speaker 1: who loved me more than life itself, is still with me,
Speaker 1: that's like a you problem, not a me problem. And
Speaker 1: then she said how would she know this? And then
Speaker 1: she proceeded to tell me things that apparently were true
Speaker 1: that I did not know having to do with my grandfather.
Speaker 1: So I didn't leave it there. Here's what I did.
Speaker 1: I went to the list of people that were in
Speaker 1: the room that this woman read before my grandmother to
Speaker 1: see who could my name is Lydia Clara. Who could
Speaker 1: Lydia have extrapolated that information from and then given it
Speaker 1: to the oldest person in the room. None. There was
Speaker 1: nobody that that woman read before so then my cousin went.
Speaker 1: My cousin's thirteen years older than I am, but she
Speaker 1: looked like she was the same age. And she came
Speaker 1: out and she was like, oh my god. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: come on, ro not you too, and she's like you
Speaker 1: have to go, Like you have to go. She's like,
Speaker 1: I'll pay for you to go. And I looked at
Speaker 1: my mother like could I go? And she said you
Speaker 1: can go, but you better treat her with respect. And
Speaker 1: I said, oh, I'll treat her with respect. I'm just
Speaker 1: not gonna help her like the rest of you. So
Speaker 1: I went in armed with my like attitude, and she said,
Speaker 1: can I have your high school ring? And I went sure,
Speaker 1: I took off my ring, my handed to her, and
Speaker 1: she went like this did not look at me, and
Speaker 1: then proceeded to give me information that kind of sound
Speaker 1: honestly sounded batshit crazy. I mean, she literally said to me,
Speaker 1: you have highly evolved beings of white and gold light
Speaker 1: that are ready to work with you, and I'm here
Speaker 1: to put you on your path. And I remember, like
Speaker 1: the way that she said it with such conviction. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: so she's crazy, Like this is like this is crazy.
Speaker 1: So I was like, okay, and then like part two
Speaker 1: of the reading made sense, but yet it didn't but
Speaker 1: it did make sense, so she was two for two.
Speaker 1: And then the last part was where she just like
Speaker 1: rocked my world, like flip me upside down, and I
Speaker 1: was like whoa, Like there's no way that she would
Speaker 1: know this. That set me on my path. And then
Speaker 1: from like nineteen eighty five to nineteen eighty seven, reading
Speaker 1: just what's happening now, what's coming up for a person?
Speaker 1: I had no interest in dead people. In nineteen eighty seven,
Speaker 1: my uncle died. That shifted my perspective. And I always
Speaker 1: tell people that when you have a perspective shift, that's
Speaker 1: where lessons come in if you're open. I was open,
Speaker 1: and it was the first time I saw what grief
Speaker 1: does to a family. And then, unfortunately, a year and
Speaker 1: a half to two years later, my mom was diagnosed
Speaker 1: with cancer and then my world was just rocked and
Speaker 1: that was a catalyst for me. That was a huge catalyst,
Speaker 1: and it changed everything because then then I was the client.
Speaker 2: Is that how you first used the process was for yourself?
Speaker 1: I think before that, so from like nineteen eighty seven
Speaker 1: to nineteen eighty nine, when a client came in to
Speaker 1: see me, I would apologize to them and say, hey,
Speaker 1: I know you're here because you want to talk about
Speaker 1: like relationships stuff and job stuff and like life. I
Speaker 1: go put, I'm also a medium. I sa I'm going
Speaker 1: to have to get that out of the way in
Speaker 1: the beginning. Is that okay? And people look at me
Speaker 1: and go like sure, And then I would do the
Speaker 1: first part of the reading where whoever was going to
Speaker 1: come through was going to come through, and then I
Speaker 1: got into what I thought was the real part, you know,
Speaker 1: their life, like why they were here and how I
Speaker 1: can help them. And then I had this one woman
Speaker 1: where her dad he was just loud, like you just
Speaker 1: and it was going The session was like fifty sixty
Speaker 1: percent over and there was no letting up. Papa was
Speaker 1: not stopping. And then I looked at the woman. I
Speaker 1: remember saying, I am so sorry I go, but I
Speaker 1: can't get into other stuff. I said, your dad's like
Speaker 1: legitimately like not stopping. And I say this often. It
Speaker 1: was the way she touched my hand. She leaned over
Speaker 1: and she touched my hand and said, it's okay, it's
Speaker 1: my dad, And I like looked at her I was like,
Speaker 1: so you're okay spending your entire session with me just
Speaker 1: talking to your dad who's crossed, and she went yeah,
Speaker 1: And that was like my first kind of like, oh,
Speaker 1: I didn't think people really had an interest in that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then I learned why people had an interest in
Speaker 1: that when my mom passed. So every reading I did
Speaker 1: for somebody else, I was kind of doing for myself.
Speaker 1: It was reinforcing, you know, reading strangers, I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: well if their mom was with them, then my mom
Speaker 1: was with me. And that's what really helped me with
Speaker 1: my grief. People always say, like, you know what helped
Speaker 1: you deal with your grief? I was like doing readings,
Speaker 1: just seeing the constant reinforcement, the validation these people's reactions.
Speaker 2: At what point in their grief does someone have to
Speaker 2: come to really be open to it? Because everyone's going
Speaker 2: to miss someone they love. Most people are sad when
Speaker 2: they lose someone that they were close to, especially a
Speaker 2: my father or grandmother, you know, whoever, it may be
Speaker 2: a best friend. At what point do they really need
Speaker 2: what you have to offer. Is it because it's been
Speaker 2: too long and they can't move on. Is it because
Speaker 2: they really feel that because I'm just trying to understand,
Speaker 2: like what I've lost people, but and this is just
Speaker 2: who I am, So it's I've just I'm very at
Speaker 2: peace with the closest people I've lost in my life,
Speaker 2: and I feel like I still communicate with them, even
Speaker 2: not in a not in your way or in any
Speaker 2: direct way of listening. That I'm not a psycho medium
Speaker 2: at all, or don't believe I have those abilities, but
Speaker 2: I feel a connection to people in my own way,
Speaker 2: So I'm at peace with that. So I guess I'm
Speaker 2: trying to understand what drives someone and at what point
Speaker 2: do they really do they value and need what you
Speaker 2: have to offer.
Speaker 1: I think it depends upon the person. But if I
Speaker 1: could just say, generally speaking, I don't think anybody needs
Speaker 1: a reading, and I think that's kind of maybe shocking
Speaker 1: to hear me say that when this is what I
Speaker 1: do for a living. But I've been saying that since
Speaker 1: I'm sixteen, Like, I don't think anybody needs a reading.
Speaker 1: You know, if you need one, I think they need
Speaker 1: an understanding. So I've always seen myself as being the
Speaker 1: teacher or the educator, and a reading can support what
Speaker 1: you believe or know right, and that's important. But I
Speaker 1: think if we can get people to be fifty percent
Speaker 1: of the equation. When someone passes and you are legit
Speaker 1: still communicating with them, you're incorporating them in your lives.
Speaker 1: Like I love the movie Coco for that purpose. Right,
Speaker 1: It's like you're not forgetting the person, you're including them.
Speaker 1: I include my family and friends that have crossed in
Speaker 1: my daily lives, Like I keep their presence very much
Speaker 1: with me because I talk about them. That doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that I'm in channel with them. I'm not having conversations,
Speaker 1: but I kind of am. Right, So, like, what really
Speaker 1: is social media? Right? When you do social media, people
Speaker 1: are posting their lives out there for the people that
Speaker 1: follow them to see it. Your photos or your whatever
Speaker 1: you're doing, you're putting that out there. So you may
Speaker 1: not send it as a text to someone, but you're
Speaker 1: putting it out there for those to watch. We're living
Speaker 1: our lives and they're watching, so we're like the social
Speaker 1: media for them. We're like the reality show for them. Actually,
Speaker 1: but they may or may not like your photo, but
Speaker 1: they may come through to you in a dream. They
Speaker 1: may come through that song on the radio that scent
Speaker 1: or smell that dragonfly, hummingbird, butterfly, penny, whatever those things are.
Speaker 1: That is your pattern or real by the way, but
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody needs a reading. They need an understanding.
Speaker 2: So let's say someone walks into your space and they say,
Speaker 2: I've lost my dad, my mom, you know, some a parent.
Speaker 2: How does that walk me through the process.
Speaker 1: Sure, So if I'm doing a one on one reading,
Speaker 1: or if I'm standing in front of crowd of.
Speaker 2: People, let's do one on one.
Speaker 1: So in a one on one session, and even in
Speaker 1: the crowd, nobody's saying anything to me, I'm gonna sit
Speaker 1: with you. I'm going to tell you exactly what I'm seeing,
Speaker 1: what i'm hearing, what i'm feeling. Sometimes if i'm in person,
Speaker 1: I'm going to do psychometry where I'm going to ask
Speaker 1: to hold on to an object of yours so I
Speaker 1: could tune into you. Just think key unlocked your energy,
Speaker 1: and I'll make sure that object is only yours and
Speaker 1: yours alone, and that it's not related to anybody who's passed,
Speaker 1: because I don't want to pick up their energy and
Speaker 1: read the energy and not make the connection. And then
Speaker 1: the first part of what I'm gonna do is I'm
Speaker 1: gonna look for where you're at in your life right now,
Speaker 1: and I may do that with numerology. I may like
Speaker 1: look at your personal year and kind of see what
Speaker 1: what the lesson is because that'll give me a frame
Speaker 1: framework for you and then passes. So in numerology there's
Speaker 1: a lot you can do, right, So every letter has
Speaker 1: a correlation to a number, and there's certain things that
Speaker 1: you can do numerologically. When I say you can do
Speaker 1: an entire chart with numbers, your birth name, your birth date.
Speaker 1: I have found for me, I like two things. I
Speaker 1: like a personal's personal year, which is a yearly vibrational
Speaker 1: pattern that goes from birthday to birthday, and your life path,
Speaker 1: which is kind of like the number that you are, right,
Speaker 1: So like I'm a life path nine, which means I'm
Speaker 1: a life of service. So the life path. You would
Speaker 1: take your birth date like the number and edit all across, right,
Speaker 1: So you would take like if seven, do you want
Speaker 1: to tell you what's what's your birthday?
Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty seven? Oh, but you're taking the full.
Speaker 1: You have to take the month us the date.
Speaker 2: Oh so my month is September, so zero nine.
Speaker 1: Right, so that's nine then zero.
Speaker 2: Six, that's fifteen, and then nineteen eighty seven is the
Speaker 2: year I'm born.
Speaker 1: I think you were four if I did the math correctly,
Speaker 1: but I have to. We're just adding them all up,
Speaker 1: everything straight across it.
Speaker 2: So it's fifteen, sixteen, twenty five, thirty three, forty four yeah,
Speaker 2: four so.
Speaker 1: You ad everything. Yeah, you keep getting all together for
Speaker 1: your four four Yeah. So your life path is one
Speaker 1: of always laying the foundation groundwork for the future, working hard, communication,
Speaker 1: and progress like that's that's who you are no matter
Speaker 1: where you go, whether you're a chef doing what you're
Speaker 1: doing or a politician like, that's going to be your
Speaker 1: life path For me, no matter what I did, I'm
Speaker 1: going to be a live path nine. For me. Part
Speaker 1: of a life path nine is learning your lessons through
Speaker 1: letting go and loss. Perfect for my field, right because
Speaker 1: what I do I work with people who are dealing
Speaker 1: with loss.
Speaker 2: How many life parts are there?
Speaker 1: How may nine nine? There's basically nine and then you
Speaker 1: can count a eleven, twenty two, and thirty three is
Speaker 1: as master numbers?
Speaker 2: Would you tell me what the different ones do? So
Speaker 2: if someone's a lifelot one, two three.
Speaker 1: A numerologist could do that better and can better? I mean,
Speaker 1: I course three like I can give you like you know,
Speaker 1: like you know, no ones are working on you know,
Speaker 1: the independence and it's a life path of individualization. But
Speaker 1: there's there's there's specific people that that's kind of like
Speaker 1: their specialty.
Speaker 2: We'll get one of them on yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But what I do like about a personal year
Speaker 1: in a reading is it gives me like, Okay, where
Speaker 1: are your lessons coming in? So if I know that
Speaker 1: somebody is going into a life path I'm sorry, going
Speaker 1: into a personally year, that's a five. That's a big
Speaker 1: transformational year. Fives are about change, adaptation, and transformation. So
Speaker 1: that lets me know, Like, so if I'm reading for
Speaker 1: somebody and I see that, if I see the energy
Speaker 1: of change, I now know time wise, it's probably gonna
Speaker 1: be within this window. So I like that. So that'll
Speaker 1: be the first part of the reading, and then the
Speaker 1: rest is going to be like who's coming through?
Speaker 2: And then when you say who's coming through? Are you
Speaker 2: like closing your eyes? Are you holding their hand? Are
Speaker 2: you in the object? I just walk me through the
Speaker 2: vision of that.
Speaker 1: The vision would be me on a headset over the phone,
Speaker 1: probably doodling on a piece of paper and kind of
Speaker 1: focusing on what I'm seeing and hearing and feeling. And
Speaker 1: then I do treat it like an interview. So if
Speaker 1: I feel an energy coming in, I would say, Okay,
Speaker 1: this feels to me like an older figure. Why do
Speaker 1: I do that? So I'll talk about people being above
Speaker 1: you to the side, and below above you just means older,
Speaker 1: below you just means younger. And then to your side
Speaker 1: would be a contemporary husband, wife, brothers, sistant, cousin, friend.
Speaker 1: So instead of going I feel a man's energy, I
Speaker 1: try a place where I'm feeling it. Where do I
Speaker 1: think they go? And then I want to know what
Speaker 1: their relationship is, so I want to feel that. Then
Speaker 1: I want to know any important dates that are connected,
Speaker 1: any initials or names that are connected. When they give
Speaker 1: me names, it's their way of telling me who they are,
Speaker 1: who they're with, or somebody who's here. And then it's
Speaker 1: just anchoring myself. And then I like to validate the validations,
Speaker 1: so I like to give something else that supports that.
Speaker 1: And the reason why I do that is it gives
Speaker 1: me the opportunity to build up a trust with who's
Speaker 1: coming through. For when they give me something that the
Speaker 1: client doesn't understand. So then I know that I've now
Speaker 1: created some type of control in the environment that any
Speaker 1: variables that they don't understand I can trust.
Speaker 2: How do you stop yourself from predicting, projecting, or connecting
Speaker 2: in a more logical rational sense that we all would do.
Speaker 1: I think there's a little bit in there. Okay, I
Speaker 1: think there is a little bit in there where I
Speaker 1: have to go like, Okay, I'm seeing this, this is
Speaker 1: what it makes me feel like, right, and then I
Speaker 1: give that to the person.
Speaker 2: Like when you're interpreting the rods and the thorns, is
Speaker 2: that your interpretation?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Is that something that they get to? Right?
Speaker 1: So if I teach somebody how to read taro, right,
Speaker 1: there's seventy eight cards in a deck. Before I have
Speaker 1: them read a book on it or even the little
Speaker 1: pamphlet that comes, I want them to sit with that
Speaker 1: deck and create their own notebook, card by card and
Speaker 1: write down what they think that card means. Because when
Speaker 1: they looked at it, against them the feeling. So they
Speaker 1: have to pay attention to that before you learn what
Speaker 1: the cards actually mean. So then you have like kind
Speaker 1: of a duel self awareness.
Speaker 2: Does that require on their part too.
Speaker 1: A lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the challenge is.
Speaker 1: A lot and getting out of your way. And there
Speaker 1: have been a lot of moments where like you get
Speaker 1: information and the person says no, but the information doesn't
Speaker 1: change because if you do have that person and that
Speaker 1: person is coming through and the client says no, I'm
Speaker 1: going to go with what they show me because what
Speaker 1: I'm hearing from the person is no, that's not who
Speaker 1: I want. No, I don't have to think about that.
Speaker 1: But what they don't realize is that sometimes behind the
Speaker 1: person that they don't want to hear from is the
Speaker 1: person that they do want to hear from. And in
Speaker 1: my style, I am a little bit like a dog
Speaker 1: with a bone. I don't give it up because I
Speaker 1: feel like my job is to make sure that I
Speaker 1: say everything that I'm seeing, hearing, and feeling. Because sometimes
Speaker 1: the biggest validations happens outside of the reading when they
Speaker 1: go when they go home, when they talk to their
Speaker 1: family and they find out, oh, yeah, we did have that,
Speaker 1: but we didn't talk about it. Nobody talked about that.
Speaker 1: It happens a lot.
Speaker 2: Do people often have people turn up in their readings
Speaker 2: that they don't know, Oh, is it generally people that you.
Speaker 1: Know most of the time, it's gonna be.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that would make sense. No, I was just
Speaker 2: wondering most.
Speaker 1: Of the time. But there are moments where like there
Speaker 1: are connections that come in and then the person won't
Speaker 1: know about it until like they talk to somebody. Like
Speaker 1: one of my favorite stories is I had a Saturday
Speaker 1: afternoon reading. It was my last reading of the day.
Speaker 1: Wonderful woman sat down and I'm bombarding her with information,
Speaker 1: like it was very clear to me, and she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know how this works. She's like, so I'll go
Speaker 1: in your waiting room and then whoever's out there that
Speaker 1: this is for, we'll let them come in. And I
Speaker 1: looked at her. I was like, there's nobody in my
Speaker 1: waiting room and she's like, well, there has to be.
Speaker 1: She's like, because none of this is my family. She's like, so,
Speaker 1: you know, I get what you do. I'm open. This
Speaker 1: is not for me. And I was like, it's kind
Speaker 1: of got to be for you. I said, you're the
Speaker 1: only one here and she's like, well, it's not like that.
Speaker 1: And I said, can I see what you do for
Speaker 1: a living? And she goes me. She's like, I'm a
Speaker 1: grief therapist. I was like, okay, and that's all I said,
Speaker 1: and she just went, oh my god, you just brought
Speaker 1: through my last five clients. So she had five clients
Speaker 1: that she saw that day. I brought through the people
Speaker 1: that her clients were coming to see. And she looked
Speaker 1: at me and said, what do I do with this?
Speaker 1: She's like, because they're not coming to me for mediumship.
Speaker 1: I was like, you are the psychiatrist or the psychologist.
Speaker 1: I go, You're going to have to figure out how
Speaker 1: to do that on your end. I said, but these
Speaker 1: are the validations I came through. So she wound up
Speaker 1: working I believe she wound up working that into a
Speaker 1: you know, hey, I had this experience. Are you open
Speaker 1: to the world of energy? Is this something that you
Speaker 1: have ever considered? And it wasn't to get me clearly clients,
Speaker 1: because there was no need now the information came through
Speaker 1: in that way. So I like those moments because those
Speaker 1: are validations that happen after the fact.
Speaker 2: Where do you believe these people who have passed on exist?
Speaker 2: Because so does you know? I assume there's a spiritual
Speaker 2: or religious version to what happens after death. And then
Speaker 2: there's the material world version of what happens after death.
Speaker 2: Like in my tradition, carma and reincarnation are really prominent
Speaker 2: belief sets in the idea that people are taking birth
Speaker 2: as could be animals could be, people could be you know, regenerating. Right,
Speaker 2: And there's lots of Easterns.
Speaker 1: In my belief system as well. Right, maybe not so
Speaker 1: much into the animals of it, but for the consciousness
Speaker 1: to keep coming back here to the classroom of life.
Speaker 1: And that probably is the thing that freaked me out
Speaker 1: the most when my mom passed, because I was nineteen
Speaker 1: and I'm like, if I live to be ninety years old,
Speaker 1: when I cross over, I want to see her. I
Speaker 1: don't want to get there and have somebody say to me, like,
Speaker 1: you know, you missed her. She's in Jersey now, like
Speaker 1: you know. That was like a concern for me.
Speaker 2: She doesn't look like that anymore reincarnation.
Speaker 1: She's not that energy. So I've talked to people who
Speaker 1: do the reincarnation past life progression like therapy stuff, because
Speaker 1: I was like, go to the specialist, get the information,
Speaker 1: find the data. And the way they explained it to
Speaker 1: me is that if the entirety of the consciousness is
Speaker 1: not necessary to incarnate, then you could still make your
Speaker 1: connection with the oversoul, the bigger super consciousness, even though
Speaker 1: there might be multiple lifetimes that that person is still
Speaker 1: working through. I'm like, I could work with that. That
Speaker 1: made me feel that made me feel confident. But I'll
Speaker 1: see her again.
Speaker 2: You were saying that there's a space between which that
Speaker 2: person is reincarnated or not. Is where you're getting them.
Speaker 2: And so if they've already fully reincarnated as a new being,
Speaker 2: you can't.
Speaker 1: No, I'm saying that I don't think that. I don't
Speaker 1: believe that we fully reincarnate in the entirety. So like
Speaker 1: if we take this glass of water, the amount of water,
Speaker 1: if this whole thing is consciousness, our soul, a portion
Speaker 1: of this might have multiple incarnations different periods of time, simultaneously, oh, simultaneous,
Speaker 1: simultaneously over decades around the globe, you know. And this
Speaker 1: is where I say to people.
Speaker 2: Do you mean simultaneously like the multiverse, like having multiple
Speaker 2: versions of the same person, or that that consciousness has
Speaker 2: passed through multiple bodies over that yes, right.
Speaker 1: Okay, fine, the same that at different times.
Speaker 2: Right, So yeah, Eastern traditions would believe that the consciousness
Speaker 2: is what remains the same, and that same consciousness passes
Speaker 2: through from the body that looks like me today to
Speaker 2: whichever body I end up in my next life, to
Speaker 2: whichever body I had in my past life. But it's
Speaker 2: the same consciousness that has lived in all those bodies, right,
Speaker 2: has had multiple mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters.
Speaker 1: And you've been in the same maybe family tapestry essentially
Speaker 1: just in different different roles or connections. But going back
Speaker 1: to the like where are they? I equate it to
Speaker 1: the Internet. When people ask me that question, I go,
Speaker 1: where's the Internet? And they get quiet and they go,
Speaker 1: you can't go there with a physical body, but you
Speaker 1: can access it, so you can access this dimension. So
Speaker 1: it's like the Internet. It's it's it's a dimension that
Speaker 1: you can access and you can connect with and you
Speaker 1: can communicate within too and through.
Speaker 2: But often that you're saying that you're not interacting with
Speaker 2: them in their new form. You're interacting them at the
Speaker 2: consciousness struggle which has lived all of these forms, correct,
Speaker 2: and you're just connecting them to the current person or right.
Speaker 2: So experience of that.
Speaker 1: To give it as a different analogy, it's like if
Speaker 1: you take a famous actor, you know that actor has
Speaker 1: had so many movies, Yeah, in so many different roles,
Speaker 1: but at the core they're the actor. Yeah, with different
Speaker 1: character names and different Backstories's great analogy.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: That's how I look at it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, So you're connecting to Tom Cruise from
Speaker 2: the first top Gun.
Speaker 1: That's exactly the analogy I was thinking in my head.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, not Tom Cruise from the Rethon Cocktail, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: or anything else. Yeah, that's interesting to hear. That's I've
Speaker 2: never heard it explain that way. And yeah, Carma reincarnation
Speaker 2: has been something that's always fascinated me, and Ian Stevenson's
Speaker 2: book Old Souls was always a beautiful scientific exploration of it.
Speaker 1: I found doctor Brian Weiss when you look at many lives,
Speaker 1: many masters, and all of his materials, he was very
Speaker 1: influential for me, you know, at that point in my
Speaker 1: life because I needed to know, like, you know, if
Speaker 1: I cause I had a very early experience where I
Speaker 1: was taking on a cruise as a kid and Puerto
Speaker 1: Rico was the first stop and walking through Old San Juan,
Speaker 1: I became kind of paralyzed in the middle of one
Speaker 1: of the streets and the person I was with kept
Speaker 1: walking my aunts and she came back and she looked
Speaker 1: at me and she said, what's up. I went, I
Speaker 1: was here before, but I wasn't John like at twelve.
Speaker 1: I said that, so, you know, get that perplexed look
Speaker 1: like you haven't left New York. What are he's talking about?
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, there's something at the end
Speaker 1: of this block with birds and nuns. And at the
Speaker 1: end of the block there was like remnants of a
Speaker 1: building that had a plaque that said, you know, a
Speaker 1: miracle happened there, and it was next to something that
Speaker 1: said park at the Palomas. A twelve year old was
Speaker 1: like help, like like why do I know this? Like
Speaker 1: what does that mean? And for three years I really
Speaker 1: suppressed that until I had that reading. And then when
Speaker 1: I had that reading, and that sent me down the
Speaker 1: spiral of studying, somebody talked about reincarnation. You know, your
Speaker 1: raised Catholic, reincarnation is not an option for you. If
Speaker 1: your Catholic like that, that is not something that they
Speaker 1: discussed in you know, religious CCD. But now here this
Speaker 1: you know book I'm reading is talking about different philosophies
Speaker 1: and reincarnation is one of them. And right next to
Speaker 1: that was something called past life recall, and past life
Speaker 1: recall would be where you had the exact experience that
Speaker 1: I did, which was you're in a place that you
Speaker 1: have never ever been before and you know it and
Speaker 1: add in the phrase, but I wasn't. John just kind
Speaker 1: of like was like, oh my god, wow, this I
Speaker 1: had that. So I kind of feel like when people
Speaker 1: do a deep dive into the world of energy or spirituality,
Speaker 1: they'll have those same awakenings. The important part about it
Speaker 1: is to keep the ego out of it, because the
Speaker 1: ego gets in the way of your progress. You need
Speaker 1: a little bit of it to kind of like go
Speaker 1: like okay. But soon as soon as the ego self
Speaker 1: and this world marry, the lessons stop, and I think
Speaker 1: we have to continue to be I'm forty years in
Speaker 1: this year. I'm still a student of the universe. I
Speaker 1: still want to be better. I'm still evolving into like
Speaker 1: who I'm supposed to be because I'm still here in
Speaker 1: this body, which means I'm still learning.
Speaker 2: For someone who feels like the process feels spooky or
Speaker 2: we've seen too many exorcist movies, or you know, whatever
Speaker 2: it is, it's that I think the visual that you
Speaker 2: have is from movies because you've never seen.
Speaker 1: It the stereotype in real life.
Speaker 2: And so you have this stereotype version of like God,
Speaker 2: you length spirits back in and like they're coming to
Speaker 2: visit you, and you know that how much of that
Speaker 2: is real?
Speaker 1: True?
Speaker 2: How does that? How does that fit in the world.
Speaker 1: But I think we have two motivations in life, right,
Speaker 1: fear or love. So if we're coming from the place
Speaker 1: of love, then we understand that where there's love, there's connection.
Speaker 1: It's fine. When we're coming from the place of fear,
Speaker 1: that means that we're allowing some religious dogma to get
Speaker 1: in the way. You know, when somebody wants to throw
Speaker 1: the Bible out and start you know, quoting Bible based
Speaker 1: Bible verses and all that kind of stuff, save it, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be like, I'm not going to do
Speaker 1: that with you. There's a lot of stuff that's written
Speaker 1: in the Good Book where it's just ridiculous and preposterous
Speaker 1: and people argue over it and bad things happen as
Speaker 1: a result. Right, So for me, it's energetic based. I
Speaker 1: feel like I'm painting a portrait of energy, and how
Speaker 1: somebody frames that portrait is their religious upbringing or not.
Speaker 1: But I see this as being more scientific and energy based,
Speaker 1: and that's not scary for me. That's educational. So I
Speaker 1: feel like I lean into the education, I lean into
Speaker 1: the empowerment. I lead into helping to enlighten people in
Speaker 1: there on their path, like I'm wherever I'm meeting them,
Speaker 1: If I'm meeting them here today for the first time,
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that this is sparking something in them where
Speaker 1: they're going like, oh I should I should meditate? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: you should meditate. Oh I should learn about you know,
Speaker 1: my numerology. Yes, that has nothing to do with me.
Speaker 1: That has to do with them, Like they multiple books
Speaker 1: that people can go do. So I feel like part
Speaker 1: of my job is to raise awareness and teach and
Speaker 1: wherever I meet that person, helping them on their journey
Speaker 1: of grief, that's my job.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I appreciate what you said at the start, which
Speaker 2: was this idea of we usually come to this process
Speaker 2: wanting to check if the person's okay, but it actually
Speaker 2: becomes about the person who's checking to become healed and grow.
Speaker 2: Talk to me about grief and where we almost miss
Speaker 2: out on the growth or how we don't process as well.
Speaker 1: We can be here four hours on that one. Let's
Speaker 1: start with let's say somebody who is diagnosed in their
Speaker 1: terminal Right, many times families will not tell the person
Speaker 1: that they're terminal because that would just be too hard
Speaker 1: for them. The soul knows they're leaving, the consciousness knows
Speaker 1: that's going to be passing. So now we're just going
Speaker 1: to what wait a month, three months, six months until
Speaker 1: that person leaves the physical world, and nothing gets said,
Speaker 1: nothing gets talked about, nothing's communicated, and I think we
Speaker 1: rob that person, that individual, as well as ourselves. The
Speaker 1: opportunity is to say the things that maybe you want
Speaker 1: to hear or need to hear, or need to say,
Speaker 1: or they need to say. So I think, starting from
Speaker 1: a place of where does grief really begin, it comes
Speaker 1: in with the understanding that something's ending. Right, So you
Speaker 1: can grieve the ending of high school. You can grieve
Speaker 1: the ending of college, you can grieve the ending of
Speaker 1: your job, there's no death in that. You can grieve
Speaker 1: the ending of a relationship, the ending of a friendship.
Speaker 1: So grief is grief in various different ways. But when
Speaker 1: we're talking about not acknowledging that grief that's the problem.
Speaker 1: So I think we have to start with acknowledging the
Speaker 1: grief and then expressing it, not suppressing it. So say
Speaker 1: the things that you need to say to the people
Speaker 1: while they're here, and give them the opportunity to say
Speaker 1: it back. Because so many people sit in front of
Speaker 1: me with that look of did they know that I
Speaker 1: love them? I don't know? Did you tell them?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Tell them say the things you know. Have those conversations.
Speaker 1: If you know somebody's passing and they're not going to
Speaker 1: be here in ten years, but you're getting you know,
Speaker 1: you're going to get married in five years, ask them
Speaker 1: what they want to know about your wedding. Have that conversation.
Speaker 1: I think it's not morbid or morose or maudelin. I
Speaker 1: think it's healthy about grief.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's almost have you ever had anyone almost
Speaker 2: when you're reading where they go back and go, yeah,
Speaker 2: you never told me how much you loved me? Like
Speaker 2: can it get well?
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh oh my god, oh yeah, yes, very much so,
Speaker 1: or the release of something like where they're they're hearing
Speaker 1: something in the reading. I remember reading for someone she
Speaker 1: was seventy years old and her stepdad came through and
Speaker 1: the message was it's not your fault, like his passing
Speaker 1: was not her fault. And she had had an argument
Speaker 1: with him and went to high school and he took
Speaker 1: his own life and she lived with that for fifty years,
Speaker 1: sixty years, whoever, all she was feeling like it was
Speaker 1: her responsibility. Her whole life she lived with that. So
Speaker 1: you know, that's a that's an extreme example, but I
Speaker 1: think there were a lot of people that just need
Speaker 1: to have the reinforced understanding, right, So I want everybody
Speaker 1: to do it now, like say the things now so
Speaker 1: that if you you know, I have a thing with
Speaker 1: my kids right when they were younger, I would say
Speaker 1: to them, in case I get abducted by aliens. They
Speaker 1: would laugh, but then that usually was followed up with
Speaker 1: a really heavy conversation. So I couched it in a
Speaker 1: way that they would participate in it. And you know,
Speaker 1: I think my son was twelve. We were on a
Speaker 1: walk and he goes, Daddy, I get the whole psychic thing.
Speaker 1: He goes, but what age should you become obsessed with
Speaker 1: alien abduction? And I was like I'm not. And he's like,
Speaker 1: you kind of are, and I'm like, no, dude, I'm
Speaker 1: really not, like, why are you saying that? He goes, well,
Speaker 1: always say in case I get abducted by aliens. That's
Speaker 1: so I laughed. I was like, well, I think you're
Speaker 1: old enough to understand this. I go TuS. I go mean,
Speaker 1: if I'm no longer existing on this dimension and I'm
Speaker 1: now existing on a different dimension, I'd want you to
Speaker 1: know the things that we talked about. He goes, do
Speaker 1: you mean like in case you died? I went yes.
Speaker 1: He says, well, that's not funny, I go, not meant
Speaker 1: to be funny, meant to be a conversation starter. So
Speaker 1: for your listeners, your viewers, use that phrase, watch the
Speaker 1: people's reactions. They'll laugh. But then you you're ice breaking.
Speaker 1: You're literally kind of setting up the opportunity to have
Speaker 1: a converse that might be serious.
Speaker 2: Yeah. What I love that. I really love that. And
Speaker 2: I think it's so important to be able to normalize
Speaker 2: some of these conversations because it's so much harder to
Speaker 2: change afterwards. And I think part of my piece is
Speaker 2: because I've always lived in a way to say how
Speaker 2: I feel in the moment and say what I believe
Speaker 2: and make sure people know how love they are and
Speaker 2: even if they didn't know how to reciprocate or respond
Speaker 2: to it in the moment, I was always happy to
Speaker 2: express how I felt because I just never wanted to
Speaker 2: feel that way.
Speaker 1: You want to hear a really kind of kind of
Speaker 1: cool but somewhat unique thing that happens by a bit.
Speaker 1: So I could be reading for somebody and I could
Speaker 1: bring mom and dad through, I could bring their husband through,
Speaker 1: I could bring their grandmother through, I could bring their
Speaker 1: friends through. The moment I bring in their pet, the
Speaker 1: moment their dog comes up, their cat comes through, that's
Speaker 1: the moment where they're going to lose it. They're going
Speaker 1: to absolutely lose it, and sometimes in a really really
Speaker 1: big way. And I'll, you know, I'll kind of make
Speaker 1: a little like joke and be like, wow, look at that,
Speaker 1: Like all your family right now is going the dog
Speaker 1: rates more than I do. Right, But here's the thing,
Speaker 1: what does that dog do to that person? Unconditional love?
Speaker 1: That pet shows you unconditional love. It's a reciprocal energy.
Speaker 1: You love it, it loves you. There's nothing that gets
Speaker 1: in the way of that. So I use it as
Speaker 1: a teaching tool when it happens, and say, listen, look
Speaker 1: at what took place. It's about connection, It's about communication.
Speaker 1: So I always want people to say the things. You know,
Speaker 1: if you're leaving the house, I don't care you're in
Speaker 1: a rush. Let the people that you're leaving know how
Speaker 1: you feel about them. Just what if you don't come home?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What about when people have had really poor experiences
Speaker 2: with people and so they're coming to you because there's trauma.
Speaker 2: There may have been emotional or other types of abuse.
Speaker 2: There may have been people have just had painful experiences
Speaker 2: with this person. But they love them too. It's messy, right, Like,
Speaker 2: that's that's what love is. It's not oh I love them,
Speaker 2: I missed them. It could be complicated, and I imagine
Speaker 2: if they come there's some layers to their love that
Speaker 2: need to be explored. How do you help them and
Speaker 2: guide them through this already difficult process, but with the
Speaker 2: emotions that could come back of like yeah, you didn't
Speaker 2: tell me you loved me, I treated you that way
Speaker 2: because of X or whatever it may be, Like, how
Speaker 2: does that work? What does that look like?
Speaker 1: So one again, for people who are listening, I want
Speaker 1: to establish that everything that comes through is going to
Speaker 1: come through in pieces and it's not conversational. It'll come
Speaker 1: across in pieces and I will symbolically interpret what that is.
Speaker 1: That's number one. Once I go down that path of
Speaker 1: helping them to understand and establish what's coming through, and
Speaker 1: I know it's being validated by the way I validate stuff.
Speaker 1: It is not always easy when you are hearing from
Speaker 1: someone who's crossed that wasn't that exact relationship dynamic. But
Speaker 1: oftentimes the person that's coming through is coming through to
Speaker 1: assuage that feeling of guilt or disappointment or anger to
Speaker 1: help them. The hard part about that is that as
Speaker 1: the medium, you kind of feel like you now represent
Speaker 1: that person, so you could feel that coming back at you.
Speaker 1: So I'm not a therapist, and I will say, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you work with a therapist, but maybe
Speaker 1: you may want to have a conversation with someone that
Speaker 1: can help you move through this.
Speaker 2: Right, So you actually encourage them to meet experts in
Speaker 2: particular things.
Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, I think a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of I mean, I've had I've had moments where I
Speaker 1: sit with someone for about five minutes and I'm very
Speaker 1: clear and I go, do you trust me? And they go,
Speaker 1: of course, I trust you. That's why I'm here. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm I'm I'm supposed to get you someplace else.
Speaker 1: What you're looking for is not me, And they're like,
Speaker 1: what do you mean. I'm like, you need to work
Speaker 1: with an astrologer where you're at, I can't help you.
Speaker 1: I could read you, but it's not going to help you.
Speaker 1: And I think it's going to be a waste of
Speaker 1: your time and money. So how about we save your
Speaker 1: money and let's just have a chat. And I'll usually
Speaker 1: spend the time with them anyway, And then I find
Speaker 1: the astrologer that I think that they're supposed to work with,
Speaker 1: and I always trust that.
Speaker 2: What do you think grief teach us about love?
Speaker 1: Grief is the other side of love. And if I
Speaker 1: used to work in the hospital and when people would
Speaker 1: have open heart surgery, they're given, you know, the heart
Speaker 1: pillow that you're supposed to hold on to so if
Speaker 1: you cough or sneeze that you don't affect your scores
Speaker 1: and the surgery. And I always imagine that heart pillow.
Speaker 1: One says love and the other side says grief. And
Speaker 1: I think throughout our lives we're holding the love side
Speaker 1: close but when we lose a person, it flips to grief,
Speaker 1: and I think honoring our grief, honoring our feelings, not
Speaker 1: ignoring them, gets us back to the other side of
Speaker 1: that pillow, which is the other side of grief, and
Speaker 1: that's love. So I think grief teaches us about love
Speaker 1: and appreciation and communication, and that's the goal.
Speaker 2: What do you say to someone who just feels like
Speaker 2: they'll never experience joy again.
Speaker 1: I like to validate their feelings and say that you
Speaker 1: won't feel the kind of joy that you had before,
Speaker 1: but you can find joy in different ways and take
Speaker 1: them on that journey with them, so it's not just
Speaker 1: the absence physically, but that you still have the connection
Speaker 1: with them. I can never remember which I never remember
Speaker 1: what it's called, but there's Japanese art where when things
Speaker 1: get broken, yes, and they put it back together and
Speaker 1: it's got the golden glue. It actually highlights the cracks.
Speaker 1: I feel like grief is highlighting the cracks. We put
Speaker 1: ourselves back together because we have to, but we're never
Speaker 1: seen the same way again. How could you you know?
Speaker 1: My son's middle name is after two boys that have passed,
Speaker 1: both named Michael, and one of the one of the Boys,
Speaker 1: The Boy's Man. He was a firefighter in nine to eleven,
Speaker 1: Michael Kiefer and his when I've read for her, she's
Speaker 1: a powerhouse of a lady, powerhouse of a mom. And
Speaker 1: she told me a story once and she said, somebody
Speaker 1: asked her how you doing, and she said, well, there
Speaker 1: was the me before nine to eleven and there's the
Speaker 1: me after nine eleven. No greater phrase can be said,
Speaker 1: because we all have that. There's the U before the
Speaker 1: event and there's the U after the event. And I
Speaker 1: think when you recognize that there's a different version of
Speaker 1: you now and again, that's in every way that you
Speaker 1: can grieve. By the way, it's not just death right.
Speaker 1: If you've gone through a divorce, there's the you before
Speaker 1: the divorce, there's you after the divorce. If you broke
Speaker 1: up with a long term friendship, there's the you before that.
Speaker 1: Do you after that? How how do you navigate life
Speaker 1: in this new way? Trying to be the old you
Speaker 1: can't doesn't work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that validation piece is so important huge. Even hearing
Speaker 2: you just say to someone that, yeah, you won't feel
Speaker 2: the joy you felt before. In one sense, it's so
Speaker 2: freeing because we're trying so hard to feel that joy
Speaker 2: again and knowing that you won't is liberating because it
Speaker 2: stops you from chasing and pursuing something that isn't going
Speaker 2: to happen again.
Speaker 1: But it also could be a free fall.
Speaker 2: Tell me about that.
Speaker 1: So when my mom passed the morning that she passed,
Speaker 1: I had to go long story, but pick up a
Speaker 1: tuxedo to be in a family wedding that I promised
Speaker 1: I would I would do in case she did pass
Speaker 1: And she'd passed right for the wedding. So that morning
Speaker 1: I was like sitting in my car and I looked
Speaker 1: up at the window of the room that she had
Speaker 1: just passed in maybe three hours earlier, and my first
Speaker 1: thought was, nobody's ever going to care what time I
Speaker 1: come home again. I had no boundaries, and I was like,
Speaker 1: that's a scary feeling. There was nobody to tell me no,
Speaker 1: there was nobody to stop me. There was nobody that
Speaker 1: was going to be like you shouldn't do that, because
Speaker 1: nobody would probably dare at that time. It's a scary feeling.
Speaker 1: So in life, when you find yourself in a place
Speaker 1: of questioning something like I did right, and you could
Speaker 1: be thirty six doing that, you have a feeling that
Speaker 1: could be like free falling, and that's a scary place.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't know if there's a net, You
Speaker 1: don't know if somebody's going to catch you. And then
Speaker 1: with that grief, maybe you stop talking to people and
Speaker 1: you shut down, or maybe you start drinking, or maybe
Speaker 1: somebody puts on forty seven pounds, whatever the thing is,
Speaker 1: So it could be a It could be a scary
Speaker 1: thing to recognize that life's never going to be the same.
Speaker 1: Joy is not going to be there, So how do
Speaker 1: you work through that? You know, having a reading not
Speaker 1: going to fix you. Having an understanding about readings can
Speaker 1: do can help give you an understanding of putting one
Speaker 1: foot in front of the other knowing that there's a
Speaker 1: survival of consciousness and that they're still they're still with us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've all heard the cliche time heals or wounds,
Speaker 2: But sometimes it feels like things get harder as you
Speaker 2: get further away from them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because sometimes it feels like it was a different lifetime.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it feels like like like it's a it's a book.
Speaker 1: Like I had so many amazing experiences with my mom
Speaker 1: after she passed, and I shared them, and you know,
Speaker 1: there's like a whole purple colde story I put in
Speaker 1: my first book and one of the things that I
Speaker 1: remember One day was probably like maybe seven or eight years
Speaker 1: after she died, and I was telling the story, and
Speaker 1: I got very good at explaining the details of the story.
Speaker 1: I knew the beats of the story. I knew how
Speaker 1: people are going to react to the story. And then
Speaker 1: the story was over and I remember not feeling it
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, oh, that's not good. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is like a really personal, powerful moment for me,
Speaker 1: and I think I'm not going to share that for
Speaker 1: a while. And I stopped telling it, and I remember
Speaker 1: being at events and people were like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: can you tell your mom's purple code story? And I'd
Speaker 1: be like, you know, I actually I can't write now,
Speaker 1: I said a boundary because I wasn't feeling it anymore.
Speaker 1: It almost became like flat. It was too powerful of
Speaker 1: a story for me, and I needed to own it again.
Speaker 1: So I think sometimes when you're grieving, we go to
Speaker 1: places that become superficial, and I think that we have
Speaker 1: to make sure that we never lose the depth of
Speaker 1: what that emotion is and that depth of what the
Speaker 1: person is. And for anybody that's watching this journalize, write
Speaker 1: down your feelings. Don't forget what it is that you're feeling,
Speaker 1: because you want to make sure that you're you're honoring yourself,
Speaker 1: but you're also honoring them, because sometimes we go through
Speaker 1: these moments of like I'm gonna forget this, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: forget their voice, I'm going to forget that this happened.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna forget write it down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my wife was extremely close to our grandmother who
Speaker 2: passed away a couple of weeks ago. Oh sorry, and
Speaker 2: she was ninety one I think when she passed away,
Speaker 2: and she had a beautiful send off and really special
Speaker 2: and peaceful, and it's amazing. My wife was by her
Speaker 2: bedside for four months in hospital and home herever. And
Speaker 2: my wife the force probably like maybe now like six
Speaker 2: seven years ago to interview her grandma, and so sheared
Speaker 2: all this video of asking her questions and stories, and
Speaker 2: so when she was preparing her speech for the funeral,
Speaker 2: which was such an emotional thing for her to do,
Speaker 2: it was filled with all these stories that she had
Speaker 2: from this video that they would never have known. And yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel like there's such a need to interview your
Speaker 2: parents and interview your families before they're not here anymore.
Speaker 2: I love that because there's so many stories your parents
Speaker 2: haven't told you, even though you think you know them.
Speaker 2: And I did that interview my mom maybe a few
Speaker 2: years back now, maybe five six years ago, just at
Speaker 2: the dinner table. We didn't record it. I wanted to
Speaker 2: record it, but I learned so much about my mom
Speaker 2: that would never have known and it brings you so
Speaker 2: much closer. And so whether you're an interviewer or not,
Speaker 2: it's a beautiful thing to do while someone's still here.
Speaker 1: Shared connection, Yeah, to share a connection. Yeah.
Speaker 2: What do you do when you meet someone who tells
Speaker 2: you they're stuck in their grief and it's just stuck
Speaker 2: with processing. I'm sure you hear that a lot.
Speaker 1: So when I hear someone stuck, I usually try to
Speaker 1: get them to go work with it if they're not
Speaker 1: working with a counselor on some level. And sometimes they'll
Speaker 1: tell me, oh, I did that didn't work, and I
Speaker 1: will remind them that there's multiple counselors. It might not
Speaker 1: have worked with one. Maybe find someone that you do
Speaker 1: click with, but I will look at trying to get
Speaker 1: them to have their astrological chart done. Here's why. If
Speaker 1: they look at their chart when that person passed, it's
Speaker 1: like snapshot of like what was the syllabus you were
Speaker 1: spiritually supposed to be learning. And I like people to
Speaker 1: look at that because then it gives it gives a
Speaker 1: meaning and a context to the pain. It's like diagnosing
Speaker 1: an energetic thing. I like that. I like people to
Speaker 1: do that. And this is where, like, you know, people
Speaker 1: are like he's talking about neurologists, he's talking about an astrologer,
Speaker 1: he's talking about I do that a lot. I feel
Speaker 1: like as a as a practitioner, for me, it's going
Speaker 1: to be like how do I best serve this client?
Speaker 2: No, absolutely, I mean I coach people and I'm constantly
Speaker 2: introducing them to sleep experts and therapists, right.
Speaker 1: And you probably know a lot about all of the
Speaker 1: things that you're sending them to, but it's not what
Speaker 1: you do.
Speaker 2: It's not my expertise and I may not be correct.
Speaker 2: It's specifically trained in it, and so it's better that
Speaker 2: someone else can come in and step in. And I
Speaker 2: think people need groups of people around them to heal,
Speaker 2: not one person and again going back to the ego point,
Speaker 2: I don't believe I have any power to heal anyone
Speaker 2: or be the person who solves all their problems, and
Speaker 2: often I found a collective is healthier for that person
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: Agreed.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you, though, can you talk
Speaker 2: to us about the difference with real astrology and then
Speaker 2: your horoscope that the version that has become astrology today,
Speaker 2: because I think the challenges and I asked that question
Speaker 2: because astrology again is a big part of Eastern traditions
Speaker 2: and I have not only heard of, but seeing incredible
Speaker 2: things happen through astrology from true astrologers who are not
Speaker 2: doing you know, your daily.
Speaker 1: Horoscope right now, the pop astrology.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not the pop astrology. Again, just what's the difference,
Speaker 2: because I think when people say go and see an astrology,
Speaker 2: it's like, I don't think we even know what that
Speaker 2: means today.
Speaker 1: So by my definition, it's somebody who's dedicated their lives
Speaker 1: to understanding and they still are on their journey of
Speaker 1: you know, deep dive learning, delving into the past to
Speaker 1: understand the present and maybe what the future looks like.
Speaker 1: It means having your natal chart looked at, which you
Speaker 1: would need your birthday, the time and location that you
Speaker 1: were born, and then if you don't have that time,
Speaker 1: they can do something called rectification where you give them
Speaker 1: events in your life and then they kind of like
Speaker 1: retrofit where they think your planets are and then they
Speaker 1: will kind of look at your life and kind of
Speaker 1: tell you who you are.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: The control freaking me when I have a client that
Speaker 1: I'm going to send to an astrologer. So I have
Speaker 1: a platform called Evolved Plus right onovolf Plus. I have
Speaker 1: various creators that I've worked with that I send my
Speaker 1: clients to. Certain clients need certain people with their expertise
Speaker 1: and what they do, so I usually give them a directive.
Speaker 1: So I look at astrology like an MRI. You don't
Speaker 1: MRI your entire body most of the time. I mean
Speaker 1: you can't know, but you normally you would just you're
Speaker 1: going for a specific reason. So I would say, okay, well,
Speaker 1: if you're in Ares, then you're going to have Saturn
Speaker 1: in your chart. Maybe go see how Saturn's going to
Speaker 1: play out for you. So now there's an intro into
Speaker 1: your chart. But in that specific example, I would say, hey,
Speaker 1: I lost my person on December thirteenth, twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: What is the lesson?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: I had a reading with John Edward and he said
Speaker 1: that I should look at like what's the lesson I'm
Speaker 1: supposed to be learning from that. I think the more
Speaker 1: information we get regarding the lessons we're here to learn
Speaker 1: can help us to move through whatever the stagnant, stuck
Speaker 1: part of it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a better question too, as opposed to what's
Speaker 2: going on in my life right now? Yes, which is
Speaker 2: a bit more broad and open, right, and kind of
Speaker 2: could be like, yeah, well, right now, this planet is
Speaker 2: making this happen, and this it's more like a weather forecast, right,
Speaker 2: rather than being specific and like what lesson am I
Speaker 2: going to learn right now? What it's needed of me
Speaker 2: right now?
Speaker 1: I'm also not a fan of the word predictions, right,
Speaker 1: so like when I'm doing a session or if I
Speaker 1: see somebody as a practitioner and they kind of predict stuff,
Speaker 1: I'm more of a projector. I like to say, these
Speaker 1: are projections from where you are. If you don't like
Speaker 1: some of this, try to make the changes now so
Speaker 1: you can adapt that, right, No different than health, Like,
Speaker 1: right now your test results are showing this your lab
Speaker 1: results are showing this. If you don't change this, these
Speaker 1: numbers are going to go up. That can cause this
Speaker 1: tell my brain works. I used to work in the laboratory,
Speaker 1: so it's like when I'm doing reading, I'm seeing the
Speaker 1: energy projections and I'm like, hey, this is the line
Speaker 1: of probability that you're flying on. You know, you may
Speaker 1: want to shift this, or hey this is awesome. You know,
Speaker 1: guess up, keep going.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's the language switch that's needed in
Speaker 2: some of these traditions too. It's because when you think
Speaker 2: about the commissions you have with your doctors, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of diagnosing going on. They're the ones you could
Speaker 2: read the scan you can't write, Like if if I
Speaker 2: swor scan in my spine, I wouldn't know the difference
Speaker 2: because I'm not trained, But I trust the doctor knows
Speaker 2: how to do that.
Speaker 1: Correct hopefully yeah, hopefully, hopefully Yeah.
Speaker 2: How do we How do you honor your grief without
Speaker 2: letting it define you?
Speaker 1: Living with it like I feel like owning it, living
Speaker 1: with it, saying the person's name, making sure that you're
Speaker 1: you're including them, journalizing. Sometimes people feel like nobody wants
Speaker 1: to hear me talk about my person anymore. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm too I'm too much. It's too much, it's overwhelming.
Speaker 1: They don't want they're tired of me always bringing him
Speaker 1: up or her up. Living with that, acknowledging it, writing
Speaker 1: about it, journalizing about it, and making sure that they're
Speaker 1: not forgotten, because that means that you're not forgetting your
Speaker 1: connection to them. And then I'll make it about living
Speaker 1: grief as well. Let's say you had a relation to
Speaker 1: somebody a thirty year friendship and or as a sibling,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you have a falling out
Speaker 1: with that person and now there's no contact. That's a
Speaker 1: painful moment for you. So I ask people to mine
Speaker 1: for the positivity in that because half of that relationship
Speaker 1: is positive. It doesn't mean that you'll ever Like I
Speaker 1: have people that are out of my life, they will
Speaker 1: not have access to me again. They've that's not happening.
Speaker 1: But when I reflect back on my time with them,
Speaker 1: it's not negative. Like I know that negative things might
Speaker 1: have brought us to where we're not connected now, but
Speaker 1: I'm not going to take away my past. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: had a great time with you. I had a great
Speaker 1: time for the time that we were spending spending together.
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to be spending negative energy mourning
Speaker 1: the negative side of it. I get the negative side.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna reminisce about the positive stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I have a friend who sadly lost, who tragically
Speaker 2: lost their child, are like two weeks old, and they
Speaker 2: named it and you know, and that's been a really
Speaker 2: big part of their grieving is being able to say
Speaker 2: the name, you know, not forget not.
Speaker 1: If anybody's listening to this, yeah, or for who is
Speaker 1: listening to this. If you have somebody that you know
Speaker 1: that's lost a child, please say their name. You're not
Speaker 1: going to offend the parent. They want to. They want
Speaker 1: that child to matter. It doesn't matter if that child
Speaker 1: was two days old, we're twenty two years old, we're
Speaker 1: forty years old. They want their child to be remembered.
Speaker 1: So you're not going to make them sad by saying
Speaker 1: their name. You're gonna make them feel connected and that
Speaker 1: you're honoring that person.
Speaker 2: Well said, how can someone find peace if they were
Speaker 2: not with their loved one in their final moments.
Speaker 1: So COVID taught us that right. COVID happens, and people
Speaker 1: can't be with their loved ones and friends when they're passing.
Speaker 1: So what I want everybody to know is that nobody
Speaker 1: dies alone. When we leave the physical world, nobody passes alone.
Speaker 1: And you might say that's not true because nobody was there.
Speaker 1: I mean that people come for us. We have loved
Speaker 1: ones and friends that are waiting for us that are there.
Speaker 1: And if you're at someone deathbed, they may do things
Speaker 1: where they're having deathbed visions, they may call out to
Speaker 1: a person. You may sense that yourselves. There's always people
Speaker 1: that come for us. So if you were not able
Speaker 1: to be with the person when they transition, please know
Speaker 1: that they were not alone. There's always people, sometimes pats
Speaker 1: that come for us. So nobody passes alone. And you
Speaker 1: could set up a schedule to make sure that Grandma
Speaker 1: is not alone and that everybody's going to be with us.
Speaker 1: She'll never be alone. That one moment where Grandma was
Speaker 1: alone may be where Grandma transitions. And the reason why
Speaker 1: is people choose who they want to be with when
Speaker 1: they pass, and if it's too painful to leave while
Speaker 1: that person's there, they'll wait till that person's not. So
Speaker 1: if you were not able to be there. Please don't
Speaker 1: take offense to that. Don't think that you fail them.
Speaker 1: They may not have been able to pass with you in.
Speaker 2: The room because they loved you too much.
Speaker 1: Because they loved you too much. We can't we can't
Speaker 1: hold them back. Our grief can't hold them back once
Speaker 1: they left the physical world. I think we can hold
Speaker 1: them back while they're here, though, because if we have
Speaker 1: that energy, please don't go, Please don't go, Please don't go,
Speaker 1: They may not go.
Speaker 2: That's I mean, yeah, that's so reassuring for so many
Speaker 2: people who are trying to time that moment perfectly.
Speaker 1: And that's why if you say to somebody it's okay,
Speaker 1: they may transition right after that, because you've given them permission,
Speaker 1: You've released them as best as you can.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, that's the push and pull, isn't it. When
Speaker 2: you love someone, you don't want them to leave, and
Speaker 2: at the same time, you don't want them to be
Speaker 2: in pain, correct, And so until you're willing to let
Speaker 2: go and recognize that that's better for them, there is
Speaker 2: some energetic force that makes them hold on and stay
Speaker 2: on as well.
Speaker 1: So I have a phrase that I use with my kids,
Speaker 1: But I think it's applicable when it comes to grief
Speaker 1: as well. I have an aunt that said, you know,
Speaker 1: she's like, I know you're really close with your kids.
Speaker 1: She's like, but you get the end of growing up,
Speaker 1: You're going to have to let them go. And I said,
Speaker 1: I'll never let them go. I said, I'll never let
Speaker 1: them go, but I will let them grow. And I
Speaker 1: feel that when it comes to grief, we may have
Speaker 1: to let them go physically, but let us grow together
Speaker 1: until we are able to connect again.
Speaker 2: That's beautiful. And I feel like when people leave there
Speaker 2: with the way I felt that with my my wife's
Speaker 2: grandmother passing, it was so peaceful, and she left so
Speaker 2: much peace because she was this radiant, vibrant, you know,
Speaker 2: deeply conscious powerhouse of a woman. She left like this,
Speaker 2: you know, really peaceful, sweet, celebratory energy, which was hard
Speaker 2: because it wasn't you know.
Speaker 1: And a legacy of love for the family to kind
Speaker 1: of stay connected, right as a result, she gave the language,
Speaker 1: she gave the energy, she set to structure. And my grandmother,
Speaker 1: I'm feeling from you like my own grandmother. You know
Speaker 1: the level of any of my cousins watching this right
Speaker 1: now or listening right now, they're they're immediately thinking about
Speaker 1: my grandmother in the same way because she inspired family,
Speaker 1: She inspired connection and love. Yeah, yeah, which comes through
Speaker 1: guilt but still worked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly. How can people connect with people they've
Speaker 2: lost in their life on a daily basis? You mentioned
Speaker 2: earlier that you do that. I was talking about how
Speaker 2: I do that. How do you suggest people do that
Speaker 2: and keep that person alive in their life? And is
Speaker 2: that healthy?
Speaker 1: I think it's healthy. I think it's important. I think
Speaker 1: telling stories to people that never knew them. Like I
Speaker 1: never knew my grandfather. I never met him. My grandfather
Speaker 1: died before I was born. My mom did an amazing
Speaker 1: job at making him a three dimensional figure for me,
Speaker 1: from explaining what he looked like, how he was emotionally
Speaker 1: positive and negative by the way, like she just made
Speaker 1: him a real person that I kind of felt like
Speaker 1: I knew him. So it would be like if you
Speaker 1: go see a movie and I'm not going to get
Speaker 1: a chance to see the movie, and you now tell
Speaker 1: me all about the movie. Yeah, you gave me the plot,
Speaker 1: you gave me the characters, the cinematic of it, all
Speaker 1: of it. I feel like I've seen the movie now
Speaker 1: because you did such a good job describing it. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm happy she did that because she gave me language,
Speaker 1: and that language is what I had to use with
Speaker 1: my kids for her. And I will have conversations with
Speaker 1: my kids legitimately where I'll be like, make sure you
Speaker 1: tell my grandkids this, and my daughter will be like,
Speaker 1: you tell your grandkids meaning like you ain't going anywhere,
Speaker 1: But the reality is what if I'm not here? That
Speaker 1: is a reality. I may not be here when they
Speaker 1: have kids. So I'm having that conversation with them. Make
Speaker 1: sure you tell my grandkids this, make sure that they
Speaker 1: know about this. So I think having the conversation is important,
Speaker 1: communicating with people that you know will never know them
Speaker 1: or meet them, so that you're keeping this three dimensional
Speaker 1: archetype of a personality present because really what it's do
Speaker 1: is keeping a bridge between you and them and doing that.
Speaker 1: On my Instagram, I think it was April. I was
Speaker 1: feeling my mom. I was just thinking about her, and
Speaker 1: you know, she's been gone thirty years and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to post a photo and I posted it.
Speaker 1: It had nothing to do with birthdays anniversaries. A moment
Speaker 1: I was feeling my mom. I posted a photo of
Speaker 1: my mom. It was me honoring her. So you know,
Speaker 1: I have this like image in my mom image in
Speaker 1: my head of my mom being in the afterlife going Look.
Speaker 1: My son posted a photo of me on earth Agram. Look,
Speaker 1: let's go look, you know, but it's where I'm honoring.
Speaker 1: I'm keeping that person. Food. Food is another way that
Speaker 1: you can honor someone. So with my grandmother, we talked
Speaker 1: about you know your wife's grandmother. And with my grandmother,
Speaker 1: I lived with her. She had arthritis, so she used
Speaker 1: to cook every Sunday for a lot of people. So
Speaker 1: she'd be like, come help me. So I cooked with her.
Speaker 1: I didn't know at the time how important that was.
Speaker 1: Like that I had like my grandma's recipes that I
Speaker 1: could if I wanted to make at Christmas time STRUEFULO.
Speaker 1: I can make struthful of for the family. Not that
Speaker 1: I do, but but I could if I wanted to write.
Speaker 1: So there's a tradition that gets passed down. So what
Speaker 1: are the legacies. What are the traditions? Food, like music,
Speaker 1: all of those things are ways to keep them present
Speaker 1: and allow them to still be part of our lives.
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are beautiful. I love those really helpful for
Speaker 2: people who are going through it right now, what's your
Speaker 2: take on keeping things that they owned and physical items?
Speaker 1: Again, I think that depends upon the person. My thing
Speaker 1: is they don't care. Nobody ever comes through going you
Speaker 1: gave away my car, you know, you threw out my
Speaker 1: clothes like, they don't care. The value for them is
Speaker 1: love and connection, not articles, not things. They don't come
Speaker 1: through when people are fighting over the house. They don't
Speaker 1: talk about stuff like that. They don't take sides because
Speaker 1: in the physical world material things matter, that doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: They're the true true value of the world, energy, universe
Speaker 1: is love and connection, communication. That's what they value. That's
Speaker 1: what they come through you know, mostly about. But I
Speaker 1: think for some people they're in positions where they can't
Speaker 1: keep a house. Right. So if someone can't keep a
Speaker 1: house and they know that they're let's say their spouse
Speaker 1: love the house, They lived and breathed for the house,
Speaker 1: for the garden, They put their entire life into that,
Speaker 1: and now they have to sell the house because they
Speaker 1: can't afford it. That's devastating on top of the loss.
Speaker 1: So I've had so many readings where people come through
Speaker 1: saying it's Okay, you can sell the house. You're not
Speaker 1: losing me. But that's great to be released of that.
Speaker 1: But that person still is losing their house. So now
Speaker 1: they're going to grieve the loss of the relationship and
Speaker 1: they're going to grieve the loss of the house. So
Speaker 1: what's the solution. And an example like that, I say,
Speaker 1: hire a real estate attorney, a real estate photographer to
Speaker 1: come in and film your house in that three dimensional
Speaker 1: thing so you can always have a walkthrough of the
Speaker 1: house that you remember because you don't have to be
Speaker 1: in the house in order to feel the house. You
Speaker 1: could legitimately walk through that house anytime you want. So
Speaker 1: you find ways to navigate and kind of experience your grief,
Speaker 1: but to work with it and through it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So a question that I have, John is I
Speaker 2: feel like for a lot of people, they can become
Speaker 2: a sort of dependency on a lot of this work,
Speaker 2: and it can start to become somewhat of a crutch. Obviously,
Speaker 2: we all need time to process, we need time, but
Speaker 2: it can become something that you just fall back on
Speaker 2: all the time. How do you help someone move on
Speaker 2: or move through that, because it can kind of feel
Speaker 2: self fulfilling to just sit in this space, try and
Speaker 2: get affirmation and validation, but not really do the work
Speaker 2: and apply and move forward.
Speaker 1: So I think it's a really powerful question, and I
Speaker 1: think it's really important that people don't look at this
Speaker 1: work as a crutch. It should be something that is
Speaker 1: an asset to their way of life, in the way
Speaker 1: of their thinking. So we should never externalize our feelings,
Speaker 1: whether it be love or grief. We should be internalizing
Speaker 1: those moments. And I think I was very kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, lucky because I was popular, like from the
Speaker 1: beginning of my career, so it was hard to get
Speaker 1: back in to see me, so I could keep a
Speaker 1: buffer between people. But before that kind of like happened,
Speaker 1: I would say to people when they would say, you know,
Speaker 1: why can I come back and see you again, I'd
Speaker 1: be like a year, nine months, like take some time,
Speaker 1: and they'd be like that's a long time. I'm like, well, yeah.
Speaker 1: But when I used to work at a psychic fair
Speaker 1: when I first started, the same people would show up
Speaker 1: like every like two or three weeks and they had
Speaker 1: the same questions, And I remember saying to this one moment,
Speaker 1: I'm like, can we let some like life happen? Here.
Speaker 1: I was like, cause I feel like I should be
Speaker 1: coming over for dinner now, like I feel like we're friends,
Speaker 1: and I don't really feel this as professional. And then
Speaker 1: I had another client that I jokingly fired her and
Speaker 1: I just was like, I cannot read you anymore. And
Speaker 1: she was like, why I go because he is never
Speaker 1: leaving his wife for you. I was like, I'm not
Speaker 1: the right person for you. I'm not going to tell
Speaker 1: you what you want to hear. So I think it's
Speaker 1: important to set boundaries. So I set boundaries with clients
Speaker 1: all the time, like I'll just be like, you know,
Speaker 1: you can't come back and see me. If I'm doing
Speaker 1: a zoom group and I recognize somebody, I will literally
Speaker 1: say to them I can't read you. You know, I've
Speaker 1: just seen you. I remember you like I don't want
Speaker 1: to remember you.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, your new book kind of took you to
Speaker 2: different lengths, almost outside of your outside of your comfort zone. Yes,
Speaker 2: it's a really uncomfortable spaces beyond what you'd usually do. Yes,
Speaker 2: talk to me about how Chasing Evil even came about.
Speaker 1: So Chasing Evil is the thirty year culmination of me
Speaker 1: assisting an FBI agent now retired on his casework, and he,
Speaker 1: like multiple other people, did not believe in the subject matter,
Speaker 1: except he took it to another level. He heard me
Speaker 1: on radio. I do a lot of radio live collumns.
Speaker 1: He heard me multiple times, and he thought I was
Speaker 1: a fraud, a grifter, and a con as he puts it.
Speaker 1: And he came to me under the guise of a
Speaker 1: real cold case that he was working, and he wanted
Speaker 1: my assistance. He brought nine items, five of which were
Speaker 1: pretending to the case, four of which were control items
Speaker 1: that had nothing to do with the case, and in
Speaker 1: the beginning of my meeting with him, I separated the
Speaker 1: four things that did not belong to the case. Got
Speaker 1: his attention. He had arranged for the woman that was
Speaker 1: missing her daughter to be on standby because he heard
Speaker 1: me make connections with people on the radio, so he thought,
Speaker 1: you know, put me on the phone with the woman.
Speaker 1: The woman comes through, I solve the case. That didn't happen,
Speaker 1: but I wound up reading for him and gave him
Speaker 1: information that was applicable to his life, and then information
Speaker 1: that when he went home he had to get validated
Speaker 1: from his parents things that he did not know, so
Speaker 1: his world got a little bit rocked, right, He got
Speaker 1: the reality of what a reading looks like, the validation,
Speaker 1: and said, can you use your ability to help me?
Speaker 1: And there was a sense of duty that I kind
Speaker 1: of had. Now. The ironic part is my dad was
Speaker 1: a New York City police officer and told me, don't
Speaker 1: sully my name with this BS that you're doing, and
Speaker 1: never let me find out that you're like working with
Speaker 1: the police, Like, just don't do that. And I didn't.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I really didn't have an interest
Speaker 1: in it, and with great respect with this book in
Speaker 1: this process, I still don't have an interest in it.
Speaker 1: It's not where my passion lies. My passion is not
Speaker 1: into crime solving. My passion is to help everyday people.
Speaker 1: In the same way that when I did, you know,
Speaker 1: crossing over in TV shows, I hated when they brought
Speaker 1: celebrities on because I didn't want to read celebrities. That's
Speaker 1: not my thing. Chasing Evil was different. I got pulled
Speaker 1: in with Bob and it took me on a journey
Speaker 1: that I wasn't expecting. It forced me to review that
Speaker 1: although I had thought I did the work where my
Speaker 1: dad was concerned, apparently I didn't. And I might have
Speaker 1: been seeking some patriarchal approval by helping him, and we
Speaker 1: had some great success working together, and there's multiple cases,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of sadness, and I felt again the
Speaker 1: word was duty to try to help this man on
Speaker 1: his path. I say openly, I didn't solve anything. I
Speaker 1: did for him what I do for my clients. I
Speaker 1: gave him information. He used that information and he solves
Speaker 1: his cases.
Speaker 2: And what book would you recommend to my audience who
Speaker 2: wants to learn about your work from a foundational level
Speaker 2: then to really dive into it.
Speaker 1: I have a book called The Infinite Quest and that
Speaker 1: book is on a platform that I created called Evolved
Speaker 1: plus TV. That's probably where I would send people because
Speaker 1: evolve plus TV is a one stop destination where you're
Speaker 1: going to hit all the things that we talked about.
Speaker 1: You know, we have somebody that does past life aggression
Speaker 1: therapy on there. We have numerologists on there, we have
Speaker 1: astrologers on there, and they're all people that I work with,
Speaker 1: like I've worked with them send clients too, So I
Speaker 1: kind of brought them together in like one spot, and
Speaker 1: on evolve plus, people have the opportunity to set up
Speaker 1: a profile. We do a ton of live streams, so
Speaker 1: there's multiple opportunities to interact, evolve, learn and grow. But
Speaker 1: the book Infinite Quest is on my channel under books,
Speaker 1: and then I have an eight part development workshop workshops
Speaker 1: that's on their call Project You, and it's all geared
Speaker 1: towards helping people to do exactly what it is evolve.
Speaker 2: So if anyone's feeling very curious after this conversation, they
Speaker 2: should Evolve.
Speaker 1: Plus Evolve plus dot TV. Yep.
Speaker 2: Amazing, John, Thank you so much for your time, your energy,
Speaker 2: your insight. It's it's remarkable. It's something like I said,
Speaker 2: I'm so curious about I'm really fascinated by the way
Speaker 2: you present it.
Speaker 1: I feel like I've learned so much, and thank you
Speaker 1: for having me.
Speaker 2: And yeah, if it was anything I didn't ask you
Speaker 2: that you wish I asked you.
Speaker 1: No, it is really thought provoking questions.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, good, I'm glad. Well, thank you so
Speaker 2: much again, honestly, thank you, and yeah, I look forward
Speaker 2: to learning so much more on this. The book sounds fascinating,
Speaker 2: so I'm excited for people to dive into it as well.
Speaker 1: Because the feedback has been like the book, it's probably
Speaker 1: the best reviewed book that I've been a part of.
Speaker 2: I mean it does. The stories just sound incredible. So
Speaker 2: congratulations as you, Yeah, thank you amazing. If this is
Speaker 2: the year that you're trying to get creative, you're trying
Speaker 2: to build more, I need you to listen to this
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Speaker 2: most creative self, how to use unconventional methods that lead
Speaker 2: to success, and the secret to genuinely loving what you do.
Speaker 2: If you're trying to find your passion and your lane,
Speaker 2: Rick Rubin's episode is the one for you.
Speaker 1: Just because I like it, that doesn't give it any value,
Speaker 1: Like as an artist, if you like it, that's all
Speaker 1: of the value. That's the success comes when you say
Speaker 1: I like this enough for other people to see it.