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Speaker 2: John Edward, Welcome to on Purpose.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 2: It's great to have you here. It's not every day

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Speaker 2: I get to sit down with a psychic medium and

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Speaker 1: When a client first decides that they want to see

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Speaker 1: a medium, they are thinking, I want to make that

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Speaker 2: How many people are disappointed that they're not going to

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the numbers would be, but I

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Speaker 1: So we're already starting at a deficit. I think that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when people are coming, are they usually coming because

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Speaker 1: I think it's all of the above. I think people

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Speaker 1: that I witnessed Charlie do was like, you know, a healing,

431
00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,520
Speaker 1: a group healing maybe over Facebook or whatever. And I

432
00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:49,480
Speaker 1: was talking to my kids and I'm like, you know,

433
00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,160
Speaker 1: it's kind of like interesting. I was like, I would

434
00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,280
Speaker 1: think that as a healer, you would have to like

435
00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:55,640
Speaker 1: be next to the persons like to heal them. And

436
00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,760
Speaker 1: I see my kids look at me like I'm like what,

437
00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:01,880
Speaker 1: and they're just like they'd like to kind of turn

438
00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,160
Speaker 1: the ahead of me, and they're like, do you need

439
00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,119
Speaker 1: to be next to the person in order to connect

440
00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,880
Speaker 1: with them? And I had that moment of like, oh,

441
00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,480
Speaker 1: that should have been my answer, right, but look at me.

442
00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,280
Speaker 1: I do what I do. And I still questioned, like

443
00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:18,240
Speaker 1: the process of something, why because I didn't understand it.

444
00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,360
Speaker 1: But once I put it in the frame of reference

445
00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,600
Speaker 1: of oh I get it now, I get it. Okay,

446
00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:23,200
Speaker 1: there it.

447
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,800
Speaker 2: Is, so before we dive into more about the process

448
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,720
Speaker 2: that people actually come into and I wanted to share

449
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:32,159
Speaker 2: those examples just because I felt that they were like

450
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:34,760
Speaker 2: you said, but they were just so real to me.

451
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 2: Someone that I know someone who's producing the show who

452
00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,719
Speaker 2: isn't coming to you for a particular need, and for

453
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,280
Speaker 2: them to still have that experience was pretty powerful. How

454
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 2: can people watch out for anyone who's misleading them, taking

455
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,920
Speaker 2: their money, taking advantage of them. What are the things

456
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:51,720
Speaker 2: to look out for?

457
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:53,959
Speaker 1: So I think that if you see somebody that is

458
00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,520
Speaker 1: saying stuff like you have a curse on you that

459
00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,880
Speaker 1: like you know, run, you know you pay me money,

460
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to take off that that curse, pay me money,

461
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,119
Speaker 1: onne like candles for you, like all all that kind

462
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 1: of stuff. That's red flag. Red flag. Another red flag

463
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 1: for me is when somebody who can't actually do a reading.

464
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 1: They may be intuitive in psychic, but they're calling themselves

465
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,359
Speaker 1: a medium when they're not, and they then blame the

466
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 1: person in spirit for not coming through, Like they'll say

467
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 1: something like, your dad's not evolved enough in spirit, he

468
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 1: needs more prayers. No he doesn't. That person just couldn't

469
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,159
Speaker 1: make the connection. So like, I will never blame my

470
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,200
Speaker 1: lack of connection on the person who's passed. I'll just

471
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 1: say I'm sorry I can't make the connection, which means

472
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 1: it's a me thing. I was live on a Larry

473
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 1: King night, like you know, doing readings, and there was

474
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 1: somebody had called up and I got nothing, like absolutely

475
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 1: nothing on this one person. And I said, I'm so sorry,

476
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 1: I can't make the connection with you. And we go

477
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 1: to commercial and Larry looked at me and he's like,

478
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,680
Speaker 1: he's like, I might believe you more now. I went,

479
00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 1: you believe me more now because I couldn't do the reading.

480
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,880
Speaker 1: He said, because you could have said anything. I go, no,

481
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I said, I had nothing. So because I

482
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 1: had nothing, I could not say anything. So I think

483
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:10,000
Speaker 1: we have to look at being careful that people are

484
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,119
Speaker 1: not just giving philosophy. And that's what they went for me,

485
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 1: Like when someone pontificates in a reading, and I always

486
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: watch it when somebody will not kind of feel like

487
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 1: they're getting information, but then they get something right hypothetically

488
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 1: and then there's a story that's built around it. Right.

489
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 1: So if you know that the person's past, right, if

490
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:37,159
Speaker 1: it's a mother, it's a dad, it's whatever. There's personality traits,

491
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 1: there's relationship dynamics that you may want to hear. Your

492
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 1: mom wants you to know that she loves you and

493
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:48,880
Speaker 1: she's standing with you, and it's it's swirly and it's

494
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 1: flowery and it's ornate.

495
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:52,640
Speaker 2: And everyone wants to hear it.

496
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 1: Yeah generally, Yeah, they definitely want to hear that. And

497
00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,400
Speaker 1: I'll say that, but I'm going to say it differently.

498
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to be like justin you know that they're okay,

499
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: and they're coming through from a place of love. Now

500
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: I have symbols. If I see pink roses, I know

501
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,400
Speaker 1: that they want me to express love. If I see

502
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 1: pink roses with thorns on it, I know that they

503
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 1: want me to express love. But they also want me

504
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 1: to say in life, they couldn't do it, can't hold

505
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 1: the flowers right their thorny. So I don't like when

506
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 1: people give philosophy as information. I don't like when people,

507
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 1: you know, go for the low hanging fruit. Who here

508
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: has the butterfly connection? Like all of those types of things.

509
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,439
Speaker 1: I think you need to be careful about things like

510
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 1: that if they're asking you for any type of like

511
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 1: questions Like I was watching something online one day and

512
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 1: the person said, in order for me to make the

513
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: connection with you, I need you to tell me the

514
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: relationship of the person who's passed the name of the

515
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: person who's passed, the date that the person's passed, and

516
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,200
Speaker 1: how they passed, and I got levitated out of my chair.

517
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 1: I was like, then, what are you doing? Right? So,

518
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: if I'm doing a radio show, if I'm doing a

519
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 1: call in, I might say to the person, Hey, how

520
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 1: can I help you? Do you have a question, and

521
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 1: they may say I'd like to try to connect my

522
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 1: dad that's it. And then I'm going to say, Okay,

523
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 1: I may not get your dad, but pay attention to

524
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: everything that's coming through. And then I feel like my

525
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: job is to interview who's coming through, who are you,

526
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: how did you pass? When did you pass? Any pertinent dates?

527
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: And then ultimately I'm looking for the why now right,

528
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,120
Speaker 1: So at the intersection of you, me and the universe,

529
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,959
Speaker 1: Why now? Why today? And what is that nugget that

530
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 1: I have to mind for that I'm going to help

531
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 1: them with. That's what I'm looking for in a session,

532
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 1: whether I'm in front of people or if I'm going

533
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 1: to want on one.

534
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 2: How did you the first time you did this feel?

535
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 2: Because you're in that reading yourself at fifteen years old?

536
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 2: How did you even end up there in the first

537
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 2: place doing the reading that was done on you that

538
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 2: you had that you got the message.

539
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: So my Italian side of the family, my grandmother and

540
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 1: my mom had psychics come to the house all the time.

541
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: My dad was a New York City police officer, not

542
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: a fan of the subject matter, made sure that I

543
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 1: was never around it growing up. My mom dad divorced,

544
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 1: moved into my grandmother's house paranormal hub of activity, and

545
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,199
Speaker 1: for about three years when they would do stuff like that,

546
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: I used to make fun of the people, you know,

547
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: I would, you know, jokingly. I remember one guy, there's

548
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: a card reader that they had, and after like three

549
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: people came out, the third or fourth person came out

550
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 1: and I went, wait, let me guess you're going to Florida,

551
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: And the person went, yes, he said, I'm going to Florida.

552
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,719
Speaker 1: How did you know that, I'm like, because you live

553
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,199
Speaker 1: in New York. Like New Yorkers go to Florida and Aruba, Like,

554
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 1: why is nobody going to Kansas? Right? So the reality

555
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: was I was that person. So when I say, I

556
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 1: understand SAPs skepticism. But after I had that first reading,

557
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,439
Speaker 1: I went to de bank Her and I went to

558
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: de bunk Her because my grandmother came out of the

559
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 1: room crying. She made my grandmother upset, and I was like,

560
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: what did this woman say to you? Very protective of

561
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: my grandmother, and she said no, she told me that

562
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: Tony was with me. And then I felt bad because

563
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, Grandma, you were Tony was my grandfather Anthony?

564
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: I was like, you were introduced as missus esposito. It's

565
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,479
Speaker 1: not a big stretch. It's going to be an Anthony

566
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: or a Tony in your family. No, And to my

567
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: grandmother's credit, she said, if you don't believe that your grandfather,

568
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: who loved me more than life itself, is still with me,

569
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: that's like a you problem, not a me problem. And

570
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: then she said how would she know this? And then

571
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: she proceeded to tell me things that apparently were true

572
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 1: that I did not know having to do with my grandfather.

573
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: So I didn't leave it there. Here's what I did.

574
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: I went to the list of people that were in

575
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: the room that this woman read before my grandmother to

576
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: see who could my name is Lydia Clara. Who could

577
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,479
Speaker 1: Lydia have extrapolated that information from and then given it

578
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: to the oldest person in the room. None. There was

579
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: nobody that that woman read before so then my cousin went.

580
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: My cousin's thirteen years older than I am, but she

581
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: looked like she was the same age. And she came

582
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: out and she was like, oh my god. And I'm like,

583
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: come on, ro not you too, and she's like you

584
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: have to go, Like you have to go. She's like,

585
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: I'll pay for you to go. And I looked at

586
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: my mother like could I go? And she said you

587
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: can go, but you better treat her with respect. And

588
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: I said, oh, I'll treat her with respect. I'm just

589
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 1: not gonna help her like the rest of you. So

590
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 1: I went in armed with my like attitude, and she said,

591
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: can I have your high school ring? And I went sure,

592
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: I took off my ring, my handed to her, and

593
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: she went like this did not look at me, and

594
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: then proceeded to give me information that kind of sound

595
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 1: honestly sounded batshit crazy. I mean, she literally said to me,

596
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: you have highly evolved beings of white and gold light

597
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: that are ready to work with you, and I'm here

598
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: to put you on your path. And I remember, like

599
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: the way that she said it with such conviction. I'm like, oh,

600
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: so she's crazy, Like this is like this is crazy.

601
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: So I was like, okay, and then like part two

602
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 1: of the reading made sense, but yet it didn't but

603
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: it did make sense, so she was two for two.

604
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 1: And then the last part was where she just like

605
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: rocked my world, like flip me upside down, and I

606
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: was like whoa, Like there's no way that she would

607
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: know this. That set me on my path. And then

608
00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 1: from like nineteen eighty five to nineteen eighty seven, reading

609
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: just what's happening now, what's coming up for a person?

610
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: I had no interest in dead people. In nineteen eighty seven,

611
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 1: my uncle died. That shifted my perspective. And I always

612
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: tell people that when you have a perspective shift, that's

613
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 1: where lessons come in if you're open. I was open,

614
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: and it was the first time I saw what grief

615
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: does to a family. And then, unfortunately, a year and

616
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: a half to two years later, my mom was diagnosed

617
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 1: with cancer and then my world was just rocked and

618
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 1: that was a catalyst for me. That was a huge catalyst,

619
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: and it changed everything because then then I was the client.

620
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,400
Speaker 2: Is that how you first used the process was for yourself?

621
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: I think before that, so from like nineteen eighty seven

622
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 1: to nineteen eighty nine, when a client came in to

623
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: see me, I would apologize to them and say, hey,

624
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: I know you're here because you want to talk about

625
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: like relationships stuff and job stuff and like life. I

626
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: go put, I'm also a medium. I sa I'm going

627
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: to have to get that out of the way in

628
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: the beginning. Is that okay? And people look at me

629
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 1: and go like sure, And then I would do the

630
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: first part of the reading where whoever was going to

631
00:28:58,320 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: come through was going to come through, and then I

632
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: got into what I thought was the real part, you know,

633
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: their life, like why they were here and how I

634
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: can help them. And then I had this one woman

635
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 1: where her dad he was just loud, like you just

636
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: and it was going The session was like fifty sixty

637
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: percent over and there was no letting up. Papa was

638
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 1: not stopping. And then I looked at the woman. I

639
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: remember saying, I am so sorry I go, but I

640
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: can't get into other stuff. I said, your dad's like

641
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: legitimately like not stopping. And I say this often. It

642
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: was the way she touched my hand. She leaned over

643
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: and she touched my hand and said, it's okay, it's

644
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: my dad, And I like looked at her I was like,

645
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: so you're okay spending your entire session with me just

646
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: talking to your dad who's crossed, and she went yeah,

647
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: And that was like my first kind of like, oh,

648
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: I didn't think people really had an interest in that.

649
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:53,719
Speaker 2: Yeah.

650
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: And then I learned why people had an interest in

651
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: that when my mom passed. So every reading I did

652
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: for somebody else, I was kind of doing for myself.

653
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: It was reinforcing, you know, reading strangers, I was like, okay,

654
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: well if their mom was with them, then my mom

655
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,719
Speaker 1: was with me. And that's what really helped me with

656
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: my grief. People always say, like, you know what helped

657
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 1: you deal with your grief? I was like doing readings,

658
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: just seeing the constant reinforcement, the validation these people's reactions.

659
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 2: At what point in their grief does someone have to

660
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 2: come to really be open to it? Because everyone's going

661
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 2: to miss someone they love. Most people are sad when

662
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 2: they lose someone that they were close to, especially a

663
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,719
Speaker 2: my father or grandmother, you know, whoever, it may be

664
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 2: a best friend. At what point do they really need

665
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 2: what you have to offer. Is it because it's been

666
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: too long and they can't move on. Is it because

667
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: they really feel that because I'm just trying to understand,

668
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 2: like what I've lost people, but and this is just

669
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 2: who I am, So it's I've just I'm very at

670
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 2: peace with the closest people I've lost in my life,

671
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 2: and I feel like I still communicate with them, even

672
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 2: not in a not in your way or in any

673
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 2: direct way of listening. That I'm not a psycho medium

674
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: at all, or don't believe I have those abilities, but

675
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 2: I feel a connection to people in my own way,

676
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 2: So I'm at peace with that. So I guess I'm

677
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: trying to understand what drives someone and at what point

678
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,959
Speaker 2: do they really do they value and need what you

679
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 2: have to offer.

680
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: I think it depends upon the person. But if I

681
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 1: could just say, generally speaking, I don't think anybody needs

682
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: a reading, and I think that's kind of maybe shocking

683
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: to hear me say that when this is what I

684
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: do for a living. But I've been saying that since

685
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: I'm sixteen, Like, I don't think anybody needs a reading.

686
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: You know, if you need one, I think they need

687
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: an understanding. So I've always seen myself as being the

688
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: teacher or the educator, and a reading can support what

689
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: you believe or know right, and that's important. But I

690
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: think if we can get people to be fifty percent

691
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: of the equation. When someone passes and you are legit

692
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: still communicating with them, you're incorporating them in your lives.

693
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: Like I love the movie Coco for that purpose. Right,

694
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: It's like you're not forgetting the person, you're including them.

695
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: I include my family and friends that have crossed in

696
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: my daily lives, Like I keep their presence very much

697
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: with me because I talk about them. That doesn't mean

698
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: that I'm in channel with them. I'm not having conversations,

699
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: but I kind of am. Right, So, like, what really

700
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: is social media? Right? When you do social media, people

701
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: are posting their lives out there for the people that

702
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: follow them to see it. Your photos or your whatever

703
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 1: you're doing, you're putting that out there. So you may

704
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: not send it as a text to someone, but you're

705
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: putting it out there for those to watch. We're living

706
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: our lives and they're watching, so we're like the social

707
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: media for them. We're like the reality show for them. Actually,

708
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: but they may or may not like your photo, but

709
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: they may come through to you in a dream. They

710
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: may come through that song on the radio that scent

711
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: or smell that dragonfly, hummingbird, butterfly, penny, whatever those things are.

712
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: That is your pattern or real by the way, but

713
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody needs a reading. They need an understanding.

714
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 2: So let's say someone walks into your space and they say,

715
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: I've lost my dad, my mom, you know, some a parent.

716
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: How does that walk me through the process.

717
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: Sure, So if I'm doing a one on one reading,

718
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: or if I'm standing in front of crowd of.

719
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 2: People, let's do one on one.

720
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 1: So in a one on one session, and even in

721
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: the crowd, nobody's saying anything to me, I'm gonna sit

722
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: with you. I'm going to tell you exactly what I'm seeing,

723
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 1: what i'm hearing, what i'm feeling. Sometimes if i'm in person,

724
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to do psychometry where I'm going to ask

725
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: to hold on to an object of yours so I

726
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: could tune into you. Just think key unlocked your energy,

727
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: and I'll make sure that object is only yours and

728
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: yours alone, and that it's not related to anybody who's passed,

729
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: because I don't want to pick up their energy and

730
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: read the energy and not make the connection. And then

731
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: the first part of what I'm gonna do is I'm

732
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: gonna look for where you're at in your life right now,

733
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: and I may do that with numerology. I may like

734
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: look at your personal year and kind of see what

735
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: what the lesson is because that'll give me a frame

736
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: framework for you and then passes. So in numerology there's

737
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: a lot you can do, right, So every letter has

738
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: a correlation to a number, and there's certain things that

739
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: you can do numerologically. When I say you can do

740
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,439
Speaker 1: an entire chart with numbers, your birth name, your birth date.

741
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: I have found for me, I like two things. I

742
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 1: like a personal's personal year, which is a yearly vibrational

743
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 1: pattern that goes from birthday to birthday, and your life path,

744
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,960
Speaker 1: which is kind of like the number that you are, right,

745
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: So like I'm a life path nine, which means I'm

746
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,439
Speaker 1: a life of service. So the life path. You would

747
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 1: take your birth date like the number and edit all across, right,

748
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: So you would take like if seven, do you want

749
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: to tell you what's what's your birthday?

750
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 2: Nineteen eighty seven? Oh, but you're taking the full.

751
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 1: You have to take the month us the date.

752
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: Oh so my month is September, so zero nine.

753
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: Right, so that's nine then zero.

754
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 2: Six, that's fifteen, and then nineteen eighty seven is the

755
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 2: year I'm born.

756
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: I think you were four if I did the math correctly,

757
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: but I have to. We're just adding them all up,

758
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: everything straight across it.

759
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:24,919
Speaker 2: So it's fifteen, sixteen, twenty five, thirty three, forty four yeah,

760
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 2: four so.

761
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: You ad everything. Yeah, you keep getting all together for

762
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: your four four Yeah. So your life path is one

763
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: of always laying the foundation groundwork for the future, working hard, communication,

764
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: and progress like that's that's who you are no matter

765
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: where you go, whether you're a chef doing what you're

766
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 1: doing or a politician like, that's going to be your

767
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: life path For me, no matter what I did, I'm

768
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: going to be a live path nine. For me. Part

769
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: of a life path nine is learning your lessons through

770
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: letting go and loss. Perfect for my field, right because

771
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 1: what I do I work with people who are dealing

772
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: with loss.

773
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 2: How many life parts are there?

774
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 1: How may nine nine? There's basically nine and then you

775
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: can count a eleven, twenty two, and thirty three is

776
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: as master numbers?

777
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 2: Would you tell me what the different ones do? So

778
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 2: if someone's a lifelot one, two three.

779
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: A numerologist could do that better and can better? I mean,

780
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: I course three like I can give you like you know,

781
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: like you know, no ones are working on you know,

782
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: the independence and it's a life path of individualization. But

783
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 1: there's there's there's specific people that that's kind of like

784
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: their specialty.

785
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: We'll get one of them on yeah.

786
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. But what I do like about a personal year

787
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 1: in a reading is it gives me like, Okay, where

788
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 1: are your lessons coming in? So if I know that

789
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: somebody is going into a life path I'm sorry, going

790
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: into a personally year, that's a five. That's a big

791
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 1: transformational year. Fives are about change, adaptation, and transformation. So

792
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: that lets me know, Like, so if I'm reading for

793
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: somebody and I see that, if I see the energy

794
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 1: of change, I now know time wise, it's probably gonna

795
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: be within this window. So I like that. So that'll

796
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: be the first part of the reading, and then the

797
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: rest is going to be like who's coming through?

798
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: And then when you say who's coming through? Are you

799
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 2: like closing your eyes? Are you holding their hand? Are

800
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: you in the object? I just walk me through the

801
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 2: vision of that.

802
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,320
Speaker 1: The vision would be me on a headset over the phone,

803
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: probably doodling on a piece of paper and kind of

804
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: focusing on what I'm seeing and hearing and feeling. And

805
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: then I do treat it like an interview. So if

806
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,720
Speaker 1: I feel an energy coming in, I would say, Okay,

807
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: this feels to me like an older figure. Why do

808
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 1: I do that? So I'll talk about people being above

809
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 1: you to the side, and below above you just means older,

810
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: below you just means younger. And then to your side

811
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: would be a contemporary husband, wife, brothers, sistant, cousin, friend.

812
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: So instead of going I feel a man's energy, I

813
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: try a place where I'm feeling it. Where do I

814
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: think they go? And then I want to know what

815
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 1: their relationship is, so I want to feel that. Then

816
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,280
Speaker 1: I want to know any important dates that are connected,

817
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: any initials or names that are connected. When they give

818
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: me names, it's their way of telling me who they are,

819
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: who they're with, or somebody who's here. And then it's

820
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: just anchoring myself. And then I like to validate the validations,

821
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: so I like to give something else that supports that.

822
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 1: And the reason why I do that is it gives

823
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: me the opportunity to build up a trust with who's

824
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: coming through. For when they give me something that the

825
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: client doesn't understand. So then I know that I've now

826
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: created some type of control in the environment that any

827
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: variables that they don't understand I can trust.

828
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 2: How do you stop yourself from predicting, projecting, or connecting

829
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: in a more logical rational sense that we all would do.

830
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: I think there's a little bit in there. Okay, I

831
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 1: think there is a little bit in there where I

832
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: have to go like, Okay, I'm seeing this, this is

833
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: what it makes me feel like, right, and then I

834
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: give that to the person.

835
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 2: Like when you're interpreting the rods and the thorns, is

836
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 2: that your interpretation?

837
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: Yes?

838
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 2: Is that something that they get to? Right?

839
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 1: So if I teach somebody how to read taro, right,

840
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: there's seventy eight cards in a deck. Before I have

841
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: them read a book on it or even the little

842
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 1: pamphlet that comes, I want them to sit with that

843
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: deck and create their own notebook, card by card and

844
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: write down what they think that card means. Because when

845
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: they looked at it, against them the feeling. So they

846
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: have to pay attention to that before you learn what

847
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: the cards actually mean. So then you have like kind

848
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: of a duel self awareness.

849
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 2: Does that require on their part too.

850
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: A lot.

851
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the challenge is.

852
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: A lot and getting out of your way. And there

853
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: have been a lot of moments where like you get

854
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: information and the person says no, but the information doesn't

855
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: change because if you do have that person and that

856
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: person is coming through and the client says no, I'm

857
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: going to go with what they show me because what

858
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: I'm hearing from the person is no, that's not who

859
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: I want. No, I don't have to think about that.

860
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: But what they don't realize is that sometimes behind the

861
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: person that they don't want to hear from is the

862
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: person that they do want to hear from. And in

863
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: my style, I am a little bit like a dog

864
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: with a bone. I don't give it up because I

865
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: feel like my job is to make sure that I

866
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: say everything that I'm seeing, hearing, and feeling. Because sometimes

867
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: the biggest validations happens outside of the reading when they

868
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,880
Speaker 1: go when they go home, when they talk to their

869
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: family and they find out, oh, yeah, we did have that,

870
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 1: but we didn't talk about it. Nobody talked about that.

871
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: It happens a lot.

872
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: Do people often have people turn up in their readings

873
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 2: that they don't know, Oh, is it generally people that you.

874
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: Know most of the time, it's gonna be.

875
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that would make sense. No, I was just

876
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 2: wondering most.

877
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: Of the time. But there are moments where like there

878
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 1: are connections that come in and then the person won't

879
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 1: know about it until like they talk to somebody. Like

880
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: one of my favorite stories is I had a Saturday

881
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: afternoon reading. It was my last reading of the day.

882
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 1: Wonderful woman sat down and I'm bombarding her with information,

883
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: like it was very clear to me, and she's like, yeah,

884
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: I know how this works. She's like, so I'll go

885
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: in your waiting room and then whoever's out there that

886
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: this is for, we'll let them come in. And I

887
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: looked at her. I was like, there's nobody in my

888
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: waiting room and she's like, well, there has to be.

889
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: She's like, because none of this is my family. She's like, so,

890
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, I get what you do. I'm open. This

891
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: is not for me. And I was like, it's kind

892
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: of got to be for you. I said, you're the

893
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: only one here and she's like, well, it's not like that.

894
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: And I said, can I see what you do for

895
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: a living? And she goes me. She's like, I'm a

896
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: grief therapist. I was like, okay, and that's all I said,

897
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: and she just went, oh my god, you just brought

898
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: through my last five clients. So she had five clients

899
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: that she saw that day. I brought through the people

900
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: that her clients were coming to see. And she looked

901
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 1: at me and said, what do I do with this?

902
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: She's like, because they're not coming to me for mediumship.

903
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: I was like, you are the psychiatrist or the psychologist.

904
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: I go, You're going to have to figure out how

905
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: to do that on your end. I said, but these

906
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: are the validations I came through. So she wound up

907
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: working I believe she wound up working that into a

908
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: you know, hey, I had this experience. Are you open

909
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: to the world of energy? Is this something that you

910
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: have ever considered? And it wasn't to get me clearly clients,

911
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: because there was no need now the information came through

912
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: in that way. So I like those moments because those

913
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: are validations that happen after the fact.

914
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 2: Where do you believe these people who have passed on exist?

915
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: Because so does you know? I assume there's a spiritual

916
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 2: or religious version to what happens after death. And then

917
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,479
Speaker 2: there's the material world version of what happens after death.

918
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 2: Like in my tradition, carma and reincarnation are really prominent

919
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 2: belief sets in the idea that people are taking birth

920
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 2: as could be animals could be, people could be you know, regenerating. Right,

921
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 2: And there's lots of Easterns.

922
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: In my belief system as well. Right, maybe not so

923
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: much into the animals of it, but for the consciousness

924
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 1: to keep coming back here to the classroom of life.

925
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: And that probably is the thing that freaked me out

926
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 1: the most when my mom passed, because I was nineteen

927
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like, if I live to be ninety years old,

928
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: when I cross over, I want to see her. I

929
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: don't want to get there and have somebody say to me, like,

930
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: you know, you missed her. She's in Jersey now, like

931
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: you know. That was like a concern for me.

932
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 2: She doesn't look like that anymore reincarnation.

933
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: She's not that energy. So I've talked to people who

934
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: do the reincarnation past life progression like therapy stuff, because

935
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: I was like, go to the specialist, get the information,

936
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: find the data. And the way they explained it to

937
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: me is that if the entirety of the consciousness is

938
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: not necessary to incarnate, then you could still make your

939
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: connection with the oversoul, the bigger super consciousness, even though

940
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: there might be multiple lifetimes that that person is still

941
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: working through. I'm like, I could work with that. That

942
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: made me feel that made me feel confident. But I'll

943
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: see her again.

944
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 2: You were saying that there's a space between which that

945
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 2: person is reincarnated or not. Is where you're getting them.

946
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 2: And so if they've already fully reincarnated as a new being,

947
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 2: you can't.

948
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: No, I'm saying that I don't think that. I don't

949
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: believe that we fully reincarnate in the entirety. So like

950
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: if we take this glass of water, the amount of water,

951
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:46,280
Speaker 1: if this whole thing is consciousness, our soul, a portion

952
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: of this might have multiple incarnations different periods of time, simultaneously, oh, simultaneous,

953
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: simultaneously over decades around the globe, you know. And this

954
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: is where I say to people.

955
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 2: Do you mean simultaneously like the multiverse, like having multiple

956
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 2: versions of the same person, or that that consciousness has

957
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,479
Speaker 2: passed through multiple bodies over that yes, right.

958
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,720
Speaker 1: Okay, fine, the same that at different times.

959
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 2: Right, So yeah, Eastern traditions would believe that the consciousness

960
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 2: is what remains the same, and that same consciousness passes

961
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: through from the body that looks like me today to

962
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: whichever body I end up in my next life, to

963
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 2: whichever body I had in my past life. But it's

964
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 2: the same consciousness that has lived in all those bodies, right,

965
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,919
Speaker 2: has had multiple mothers, fathers, brothers, sisters.

966
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: And you've been in the same maybe family tapestry essentially

967
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 1: just in different different roles or connections. But going back

968
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 1: to the like where are they? I equate it to

969
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: the Internet. When people ask me that question, I go,

970
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: where's the Internet? And they get quiet and they go,

971
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: you can't go there with a physical body, but you

972
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: can access it, so you can access this dimension. So

973
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: it's like the Internet. It's it's it's a dimension that

974
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: you can access and you can connect with and you

975
00:44:58,080 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: can communicate within too and through.

976
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 2: But often that you're saying that you're not interacting with

977
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 2: them in their new form. You're interacting them at the

978
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 2: consciousness struggle which has lived all of these forms, correct,

979
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 2: and you're just connecting them to the current person or right.

980
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: So experience of that.

981
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: To give it as a different analogy, it's like if

982
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 1: you take a famous actor, you know that actor has

983
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,240
Speaker 1: had so many movies, Yeah, in so many different roles,

984
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: but at the core they're the actor. Yeah, with different

985
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: character names and different Backstories's great analogy.

986
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 2: I like that.

987
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: That's how I look at it.

988
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, right, So you're connecting to Tom Cruise from

989
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 2: the first top Gun.

990
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: That's exactly the analogy I was thinking in my head.

991
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, not Tom Cruise from the Rethon Cocktail, right, yeah,

992
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 2: or anything else. Yeah, that's interesting to hear. That's I've

993
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 2: never heard it explain that way. And yeah, Carma reincarnation

994
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 2: has been something that's always fascinated me, and Ian Stevenson's

995
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 2: book Old Souls was always a beautiful scientific exploration of it.

996
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,840
Speaker 1: I found doctor Brian Weiss when you look at many lives,

997
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 1: many masters, and all of his materials, he was very

998
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: influential for me, you know, at that point in my

999
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: life because I needed to know, like, you know, if

1000
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: I cause I had a very early experience where I

1001
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: was taking on a cruise as a kid and Puerto

1002
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: Rico was the first stop and walking through Old San Juan,

1003
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: I became kind of paralyzed in the middle of one

1004
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 1: of the streets and the person I was with kept

1005
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: walking my aunts and she came back and she looked

1006
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: at me and she said, what's up. I went, I

1007
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 1: was here before, but I wasn't John like at twelve.

1008
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 1: I said that, so, you know, get that perplexed look

1009
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: like you haven't left New York. What are he's talking about?

1010
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, there's something at the end

1011
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 1: of this block with birds and nuns. And at the

1012
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 1: end of the block there was like remnants of a

1013
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: building that had a plaque that said, you know, a

1014
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: miracle happened there, and it was next to something that

1015
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: said park at the Palomas. A twelve year old was

1016
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: like help, like like why do I know this? Like

1017
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: what does that mean? And for three years I really

1018
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 1: suppressed that until I had that reading. And then when

1019
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: I had that reading, and that sent me down the

1020
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: spiral of studying, somebody talked about reincarnation. You know, your

1021
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: raised Catholic, reincarnation is not an option for you. If

1022
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: your Catholic like that, that is not something that they

1023
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: discussed in you know, religious CCD. But now here this

1024
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: you know book I'm reading is talking about different philosophies

1025
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: and reincarnation is one of them. And right next to

1026
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: that was something called past life recall, and past life

1027
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: recall would be where you had the exact experience that

1028
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: I did, which was you're in a place that you

1029
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: have never ever been before and you know it and

1030
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: add in the phrase, but I wasn't. John just kind

1031
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: of like was like, oh my god, wow, this I

1032
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,800
Speaker 1: had that. So I kind of feel like when people

1033
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: do a deep dive into the world of energy or spirituality,

1034
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 1: they'll have those same awakenings. The important part about it

1035
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: is to keep the ego out of it, because the

1036
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: ego gets in the way of your progress. You need

1037
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: a little bit of it to kind of like go

1038
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 1: like okay. But soon as soon as the ego self

1039
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: and this world marry, the lessons stop, and I think

1040
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: we have to continue to be I'm forty years in

1041
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: this year. I'm still a student of the universe. I

1042
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,319
Speaker 1: still want to be better. I'm still evolving into like

1043
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: who I'm supposed to be because I'm still here in

1044
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: this body, which means I'm still learning.

1045
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 2: For someone who feels like the process feels spooky or

1046
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,240
Speaker 2: we've seen too many exorcist movies, or you know, whatever

1047
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 2: it is, it's that I think the visual that you

1048
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 2: have is from movies because you've never seen.

1049
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 1: It the stereotype in real life.

1050
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: And so you have this stereotype version of like God,

1051
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 2: you length spirits back in and like they're coming to

1052
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 2: visit you, and you know that how much of that

1053
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 2: is real?

1054
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: True?

1055
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 2: How does that? How does that fit in the world.

1056
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,759
Speaker 1: But I think we have two motivations in life, right,

1057
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: fear or love. So if we're coming from the place

1058
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: of love, then we understand that where there's love, there's connection.

1059
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 1: It's fine. When we're coming from the place of fear,

1060
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: that means that we're allowing some religious dogma to get

1061
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: in the way. You know, when somebody wants to throw

1062
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: the Bible out and start you know, quoting Bible based

1063
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: Bible verses and all that kind of stuff, save it, Like,

1064
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to be like, I'm not going to do

1065
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: that with you. There's a lot of stuff that's written

1066
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 1: in the Good Book where it's just ridiculous and preposterous

1067
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: and people argue over it and bad things happen as

1068
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: a result. Right, So for me, it's energetic based. I

1069
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: feel like I'm painting a portrait of energy, and how

1070
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: somebody frames that portrait is their religious upbringing or not.

1071
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: But I see this as being more scientific and energy based,

1072
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: and that's not scary for me. That's educational. So I

1073
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: feel like I lean into the education, I lean into

1074
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 1: the empowerment. I lead into helping to enlighten people in

1075
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: there on their path, like I'm wherever I'm meeting them,

1076
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: If I'm meeting them here today for the first time,

1077
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that this is sparking something in them where

1078
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: they're going like, oh I should I should meditate? Yes, yes,

1079
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: you should meditate. Oh I should learn about you know,

1080
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: my numerology. Yes, that has nothing to do with me.

1081
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: That has to do with them, Like they multiple books

1082
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 1: that people can go do. So I feel like part

1083
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: of my job is to raise awareness and teach and

1084
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 1: wherever I meet that person, helping them on their journey

1085
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: of grief, that's my job.

1086
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 2: Yeah. I appreciate what you said at the start, which

1087
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 2: was this idea of we usually come to this process

1088
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 2: wanting to check if the person's okay, but it actually

1089
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 2: becomes about the person who's checking to become healed and grow.

1090
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 2: Talk to me about grief and where we almost miss

1091
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 2: out on the growth or how we don't process as well.

1092
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: We can be here four hours on that one. Let's

1093
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: start with let's say somebody who is diagnosed in their

1094
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 1: terminal Right, many times families will not tell the person

1095
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: that they're terminal because that would just be too hard

1096
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: for them. The soul knows they're leaving, the consciousness knows

1097
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,479
Speaker 1: that's going to be passing. So now we're just going

1098
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:36,959
Speaker 1: to what wait a month, three months, six months until

1099
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 1: that person leaves the physical world, and nothing gets said,

1100
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 1: nothing gets talked about, nothing's communicated, and I think we

1101
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: rob that person, that individual, as well as ourselves. The

1102
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: opportunity is to say the things that maybe you want

1103
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: to hear or need to hear, or need to say,

1104
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 1: or they need to say. So I think, starting from

1105
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: a place of where does grief really begin, it comes

1106
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 1: in with the understanding that something's ending. Right, So you

1107
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: can grieve the ending of high school. You can grieve

1108
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: the ending of college, you can grieve the ending of

1109
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: your job, there's no death in that. You can grieve

1110
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,840
Speaker 1: the ending of a relationship, the ending of a friendship.

1111
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: So grief is grief in various different ways. But when

1112
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: we're talking about not acknowledging that grief that's the problem.

1113
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: So I think we have to start with acknowledging the

1114
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 1: grief and then expressing it, not suppressing it. So say

1115
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: the things that you need to say to the people

1116
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: while they're here, and give them the opportunity to say

1117
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: it back. Because so many people sit in front of

1118
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: me with that look of did they know that I

1119
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: love them? I don't know? Did you tell them?

1120
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 2: You know?

1121
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: Tell them say the things you know. Have those conversations.

1122
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: If you know somebody's passing and they're not going to

1123
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: be here in ten years, but you're getting you know,

1124
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: you're going to get married in five years, ask them

1125
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 1: what they want to know about your wedding. Have that conversation.

1126
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: I think it's not morbid or morose or maudelin. I

1127
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 1: think it's healthy about grief.

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00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's almost have you ever had anyone almost

1129
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 2: when you're reading where they go back and go, yeah,

1130
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 2: you never told me how much you loved me? Like

1131
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 2: can it get well?

1132
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh oh my god, oh yeah, yes, very much so,

1133
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: or the release of something like where they're they're hearing

1134
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: something in the reading. I remember reading for someone she

1135
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: was seventy years old and her stepdad came through and

1136
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: the message was it's not your fault, like his passing

1137
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 1: was not her fault. And she had had an argument

1138
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: with him and went to high school and he took

1139
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: his own life and she lived with that for fifty years,

1140
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 1: sixty years, whoever, all she was feeling like it was

1141
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: her responsibility. Her whole life she lived with that. So

1142
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: you know, that's a that's an extreme example, but I

1143
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,919
Speaker 1: think there were a lot of people that just need

1144
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 1: to have the reinforced understanding, right, So I want everybody

1145
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 1: to do it now, like say the things now so

1146
00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: that if you you know, I have a thing with

1147
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: my kids right when they were younger, I would say

1148
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: to them, in case I get abducted by aliens. They

1149
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: would laugh, but then that usually was followed up with

1150
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: a really heavy conversation. So I couched it in a

1151
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: way that they would participate in it. And you know,

1152
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: I think my son was twelve. We were on a

1153
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 1: walk and he goes, Daddy, I get the whole psychic thing.

1154
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 1: He goes, but what age should you become obsessed with

1155
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: alien abduction? And I was like I'm not. And he's like,

1156
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,879
Speaker 1: you kind of are, and I'm like, no, dude, I'm

1157
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: really not, like, why are you saying that? He goes, well,

1158
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: always say in case I get abducted by aliens. That's

1159
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: so I laughed. I was like, well, I think you're

1160
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: old enough to understand this. I go TuS. I go mean,

1161
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: if I'm no longer existing on this dimension and I'm

1162
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: now existing on a different dimension, I'd want you to

1163
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 1: know the things that we talked about. He goes, do

1164
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: you mean like in case you died? I went yes.

1165
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: He says, well, that's not funny, I go, not meant

1166
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: to be funny, meant to be a conversation starter. So

1167
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: for your listeners, your viewers, use that phrase, watch the

1168
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,720
Speaker 1: people's reactions. They'll laugh. But then you you're ice breaking.

1169
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: You're literally kind of setting up the opportunity to have

1170
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: a converse that might be serious.

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00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. What I love that. I really love that. And

1172
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 2: I think it's so important to be able to normalize

1173
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 2: some of these conversations because it's so much harder to

1174
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 2: change afterwards. And I think part of my piece is

1175
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 2: because I've always lived in a way to say how

1176
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 2: I feel in the moment and say what I believe

1177
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 2: and make sure people know how love they are and

1178
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,320
Speaker 2: even if they didn't know how to reciprocate or respond

1179
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 2: to it in the moment, I was always happy to

1180
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 2: express how I felt because I just never wanted to

1181
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 2: feel that way.

1182
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: You want to hear a really kind of kind of

1183
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: cool but somewhat unique thing that happens by a bit.

1184
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: So I could be reading for somebody and I could

1185
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: bring mom and dad through, I could bring their husband through,

1186
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 1: I could bring their grandmother through, I could bring their

1187
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: friends through. The moment I bring in their pet, the

1188
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: moment their dog comes up, their cat comes through, that's

1189
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 1: the moment where they're going to lose it. They're going

1190
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: to absolutely lose it, and sometimes in a really really

1191
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,399
Speaker 1: big way. And I'll, you know, I'll kind of make

1192
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: a little like joke and be like, wow, look at that,

1193
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: Like all your family right now is going the dog

1194
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 1: rates more than I do. Right, But here's the thing,

1195
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: what does that dog do to that person? Unconditional love?

1196
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: That pet shows you unconditional love. It's a reciprocal energy.

1197
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:19,399
Speaker 1: You love it, it loves you. There's nothing that gets

1198
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: in the way of that. So I use it as

1199
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: a teaching tool when it happens, and say, listen, look

1200
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: at what took place. It's about connection, It's about communication.

1201
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: So I always want people to say the things. You know,

1202
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: if you're leaving the house, I don't care you're in

1203
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: a rush. Let the people that you're leaving know how

1204
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: you feel about them. Just what if you don't come home?

1205
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? What about when people have had really poor experiences

1206
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 2: with people and so they're coming to you because there's trauma.

1207
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 2: There may have been emotional or other types of abuse.

1208
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 2: There may have been people have just had painful experiences

1209
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 2: with this person. But they love them too. It's messy, right, Like,

1210
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 2: that's that's what love is. It's not oh I love them,

1211
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 2: I missed them. It could be complicated, and I imagine

1212
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 2: if they come there's some layers to their love that

1213
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 2: need to be explored. How do you help them and

1214
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 2: guide them through this already difficult process, but with the

1215
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 2: emotions that could come back of like yeah, you didn't

1216
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 2: tell me you loved me, I treated you that way

1217
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 2: because of X or whatever it may be, Like, how

1218
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 2: does that work? What does that look like?

1219
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: So one again, for people who are listening, I want

1220
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: to establish that everything that comes through is going to

1221
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 1: come through in pieces and it's not conversational. It'll come

1222
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: across in pieces and I will symbolically interpret what that is.

1223
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: That's number one. Once I go down that path of

1224
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: helping them to understand and establish what's coming through, and

1225
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,280
Speaker 1: I know it's being validated by the way I validate stuff.

1226
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: It is not always easy when you are hearing from

1227
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:49,120
Speaker 1: someone who's crossed that wasn't that exact relationship dynamic. But

1228
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: oftentimes the person that's coming through is coming through to

1229
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: assuage that feeling of guilt or disappointment or anger to

1230
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 1: help them. The hard part about that is that as

1231
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: the medium, you kind of feel like you now represent

1232
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 1: that person, so you could feel that coming back at you.

1233
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: So I'm not a therapist, and I will say, I

1234
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 1: don't know if you work with a therapist, but maybe

1235
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 1: you may want to have a conversation with someone that

1236
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: can help you move through this.

1237
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 2: Right, So you actually encourage them to meet experts in

1238
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 2: particular things.

1239
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, I think a lot of a lot

1240
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: of I mean, I've had I've had moments where I

1241
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 1: sit with someone for about five minutes and I'm very

1242
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: clear and I go, do you trust me? And they go,

1243
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: of course, I trust you. That's why I'm here. And

1244
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:33,479
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm I'm I'm supposed to get you someplace else.

1245
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: What you're looking for is not me, And they're like,

1246
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: what do you mean. I'm like, you need to work

1247
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: with an astrologer where you're at, I can't help you.

1248
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 1: I could read you, but it's not going to help you.

1249
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: And I think it's going to be a waste of

1250
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: your time and money. So how about we save your

1251
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: money and let's just have a chat. And I'll usually

1252
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 1: spend the time with them anyway, And then I find

1253
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: the astrologer that I think that they're supposed to work with,

1254
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: and I always trust that.

1255
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:00,959
Speaker 2: What do you think grief teach us about love?

1256
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: Grief is the other side of love. And if I

1257
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: used to work in the hospital and when people would

1258
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: have open heart surgery, they're given, you know, the heart

1259
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 1: pillow that you're supposed to hold on to so if

1260
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: you cough or sneeze that you don't affect your scores

1261
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:20,520
Speaker 1: and the surgery. And I always imagine that heart pillow.

1262
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: One says love and the other side says grief. And

1263
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:25,919
Speaker 1: I think throughout our lives we're holding the love side

1264
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: close but when we lose a person, it flips to grief,

1265
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 1: and I think honoring our grief, honoring our feelings, not

1266
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: ignoring them, gets us back to the other side of

1267
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: that pillow, which is the other side of grief, and

1268
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: that's love. So I think grief teaches us about love

1269
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: and appreciation and communication, and that's the goal.

1270
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 2: What do you say to someone who just feels like

1271
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 2: they'll never experience joy again.

1272
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 1: I like to validate their feelings and say that you

1273
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: won't feel the kind of joy that you had before,

1274
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: but you can find joy in different ways and take

1275
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: them on that journey with them, so it's not just

1276
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: the absence physically, but that you still have the connection

1277
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: with them. I can never remember which I never remember

1278
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: what it's called, but there's Japanese art where when things

1279
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: get broken, yes, and they put it back together and

1280
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Speaker 1: it's got the golden glue. It actually highlights the cracks.

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00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: I feel like grief is highlighting the cracks. We put

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00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: ourselves back together because we have to, but we're never

1283
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 1: seen the same way again. How could you you know?

1284
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: My son's middle name is after two boys that have passed,

1285
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: both named Michael, and one of the one of the Boys,

1286
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:56,560
Speaker 1: The Boy's Man. He was a firefighter in nine to eleven,

1287
00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 1: Michael Kiefer and his when I've read for her, she's

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Speaker 1: a powerhouse of a lady, powerhouse of a mom. And

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Speaker 1: she told me a story once and she said, somebody

1290
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 1: asked her how you doing, and she said, well, there

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Speaker 1: was the me before nine to eleven and there's the

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Speaker 1: me after nine eleven. No greater phrase can be said,

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Speaker 1: because we all have that. There's the U before the

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01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: event and there's the U after the event. And I

1295
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,200
Speaker 1: think when you recognize that there's a different version of

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Speaker 1: you now and again, that's in every way that you

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01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,479
Speaker 1: can grieve. By the way, it's not just death right.

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Speaker 1: If you've gone through a divorce, there's the you before

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01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 1: the divorce, there's you after the divorce. If you broke

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01:00:35,040 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: up with a long term friendship, there's the you before that.

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01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: Do you after that? How how do you navigate life

1302
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: in this new way? Trying to be the old you

1303
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 1: can't doesn't work.

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01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, that validation piece is so important huge. Even hearing

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01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 2: you just say to someone that, yeah, you won't feel

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01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 2: the joy you felt before. In one sense, it's so

1307
01:00:56,800 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 2: freeing because we're trying so hard to feel that joy

1308
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 2: again and knowing that you won't is liberating because it

1309
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 2: stops you from chasing and pursuing something that isn't going

1310
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Speaker 2: to happen again.

1311
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Speaker 1: But it also could be a free fall.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about that.

1313
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Speaker 1: So when my mom passed the morning that she passed,

1314
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 1: I had to go long story, but pick up a

1315
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Speaker 1: tuxedo to be in a family wedding that I promised

1316
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Speaker 1: I would I would do in case she did pass

1317
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 1: And she'd passed right for the wedding. So that morning

1318
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: I was like sitting in my car and I looked

1319
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 1: up at the window of the room that she had

1320
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: just passed in maybe three hours earlier, and my first

1321
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: thought was, nobody's ever going to care what time I

1322
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: come home again. I had no boundaries, and I was like,

1323
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: that's a scary feeling. There was nobody to tell me no,

1324
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 1: there was nobody to stop me. There was nobody that

1325
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: was going to be like you shouldn't do that, because

1326
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: nobody would probably dare at that time. It's a scary feeling.

1327
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 1: So in life, when you find yourself in a place

1328
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: of questioning something like I did right, and you could

1329
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 1: be thirty six doing that, you have a feeling that

1330
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:10,920
Speaker 1: could be like free falling, and that's a scary place.

1331
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:12,800
Speaker 1: You know, you don't know if there's a net, You

1332
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 1: don't know if somebody's going to catch you. And then

1333
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 1: with that grief, maybe you stop talking to people and

1334
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 1: you shut down, or maybe you start drinking, or maybe

1335
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:24,560
Speaker 1: somebody puts on forty seven pounds, whatever the thing is,

1336
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 1: So it could be a It could be a scary

1337
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 1: thing to recognize that life's never going to be the same.

1338
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: Joy is not going to be there, So how do

1339
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: you work through that? You know, having a reading not

1340
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 1: going to fix you. Having an understanding about readings can

1341
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,840
Speaker 1: do can help give you an understanding of putting one

1342
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 1: foot in front of the other knowing that there's a

1343
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: survival of consciousness and that they're still they're still with us.

1344
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've all heard the cliche time heals or wounds,

1345
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 2: But sometimes it feels like things get harder as you

1346
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 2: get further away from them.

1347
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, because sometimes it feels like it was a different lifetime.

1348
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,640
Speaker 1: Sometimes it feels like like like it's a it's a book.

1349
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: Like I had so many amazing experiences with my mom

1350
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 1: after she passed, and I shared them, and you know,

1351
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 1: there's like a whole purple colde story I put in

1352
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: my first book and one of the things that I

1353
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 1: remember One day was probably like maybe seven or eight years

1354
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 1: after she died, and I was telling the story, and

1355
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: I got very good at explaining the details of the story.

1356
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: I knew the beats of the story. I knew how

1357
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: people are going to react to the story. And then

1358
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 1: the story was over and I remember not feeling it

1359
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, oh, that's not good. I'm like,

1360
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 1: this is like a really personal, powerful moment for me,

1361
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 1: and I think I'm not going to share that for

1362
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 1: a while. And I stopped telling it, and I remember

1363
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: being at events and people were like, oh my god,

1364
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 1: can you tell your mom's purple code story? And I'd

1365
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:50,959
Speaker 1: be like, you know, I actually I can't write now,

1366
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 1: I said a boundary because I wasn't feeling it anymore.

1367
01:03:56,040 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 1: It almost became like flat. It was too powerful of

1368
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,400
Speaker 1: a story for me, and I needed to own it again.

1369
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: So I think sometimes when you're grieving, we go to

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01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 1: places that become superficial, and I think that we have

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01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:16,760
Speaker 1: to make sure that we never lose the depth of

1372
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: what that emotion is and that depth of what the

1373
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 1: person is. And for anybody that's watching this journalize, write

1374
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: down your feelings. Don't forget what it is that you're feeling,

1375
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: because you want to make sure that you're you're honoring yourself,

1376
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 1: but you're also honoring them, because sometimes we go through

1377
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: these moments of like I'm gonna forget this, I'm gonna

1378
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: forget their voice, I'm going to forget that this happened.

1379
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna forget write it down.

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01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, my wife was extremely close to our grandmother who

1381
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 2: passed away a couple of weeks ago. Oh sorry, and

1382
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 2: she was ninety one I think when she passed away,

1383
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 2: and she had a beautiful send off and really special

1384
01:04:50,920 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 2: and peaceful, and it's amazing. My wife was by her

1385
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 2: bedside for four months in hospital and home herever. And

1386
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:03,040
Speaker 2: my wife the force probably like maybe now like six

1387
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:06,479
Speaker 2: seven years ago to interview her grandma, and so sheared

1388
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 2: all this video of asking her questions and stories, and

1389
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 2: so when she was preparing her speech for the funeral,

1390
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 2: which was such an emotional thing for her to do,

1391
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 2: it was filled with all these stories that she had

1392
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 2: from this video that they would never have known. And yeah,

1393
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 2: I feel like there's such a need to interview your

1394
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 2: parents and interview your families before they're not here anymore.

1395
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 2: I love that because there's so many stories your parents

1396
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 2: haven't told you, even though you think you know them.

1397
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 2: And I did that interview my mom maybe a few

1398
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 2: years back now, maybe five six years ago, just at

1399
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 2: the dinner table. We didn't record it. I wanted to

1400
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 2: record it, but I learned so much about my mom

1401
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 2: that would never have known and it brings you so

1402
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 2: much closer. And so whether you're an interviewer or not,

1403
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 2: it's a beautiful thing to do while someone's still here.

1404
01:05:56,080 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 1: Shared connection, Yeah, to share a connection. Yeah.

1405
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 2: What do you do when you meet someone who tells

1406
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 2: you they're stuck in their grief and it's just stuck

1407
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 2: with processing. I'm sure you hear that a lot.

1408
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 1: So when I hear someone stuck, I usually try to

1409
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: get them to go work with it if they're not

1410
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 1: working with a counselor on some level. And sometimes they'll

1411
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: tell me, oh, I did that didn't work, and I

1412
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 1: will remind them that there's multiple counselors. It might not

1413
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: have worked with one. Maybe find someone that you do

1414
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 1: click with, but I will look at trying to get

1415
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: them to have their astrological chart done. Here's why. If

1416
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 1: they look at their chart when that person passed, it's

1417
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 1: like snapshot of like what was the syllabus you were

1418
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 1: spiritually supposed to be learning. And I like people to

1419
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 1: look at that because then it gives it gives a

1420
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 1: meaning and a context to the pain. It's like diagnosing

1421
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 1: an energetic thing. I like that. I like people to

1422
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 1: do that. And this is where, like, you know, people

1423
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: are like he's talking about neurologists, he's talking about an astrologer,

1424
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: he's talking about I do that a lot. I feel

1425
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 1: like as a as a practitioner, for me, it's going

1426
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 1: to be like how do I best serve this client?

1427
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 2: No, absolutely, I mean I coach people and I'm constantly

1428
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 2: introducing them to sleep experts and therapists, right.

1429
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 1: And you probably know a lot about all of the

1430
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 1: things that you're sending them to, but it's not what

1431
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 1: you do.

1432
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 2: It's not my expertise and I may not be correct.

1433
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 2: It's specifically trained in it, and so it's better that

1434
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 2: someone else can come in and step in. And I

1435
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 2: think people need groups of people around them to heal,

1436
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 2: not one person and again going back to the ego point,

1437
01:07:30,600 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 2: I don't believe I have any power to heal anyone

1438
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 2: or be the person who solves all their problems, and

1439
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 2: often I found a collective is healthier for that person

1440
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 2: as well.

1441
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 1: Agreed.

1442
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you, though, can you talk

1443
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 2: to us about the difference with real astrology and then

1444
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 2: your horoscope that the version that has become astrology today,

1445
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 2: because I think the challenges and I asked that question

1446
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:56,160
Speaker 2: because astrology again is a big part of Eastern traditions

1447
01:07:56,200 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 2: and I have not only heard of, but seeing incredible

1448
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 2: things happen through astrology from true astrologers who are not

1449
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 2: doing you know, your daily.

1450
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 1: Horoscope right now, the pop astrology.

1451
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, not the pop astrology. Again, just what's the difference,

1452
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:15,440
Speaker 2: because I think when people say go and see an astrology,

1453
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 2: it's like, I don't think we even know what that

1454
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:17,679
Speaker 2: means today.

1455
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 1: So by my definition, it's somebody who's dedicated their lives

1456
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:24,880
Speaker 1: to understanding and they still are on their journey of

1457
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:28,600
Speaker 1: you know, deep dive learning, delving into the past to

1458
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 1: understand the present and maybe what the future looks like.

1459
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 1: It means having your natal chart looked at, which you

1460
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 1: would need your birthday, the time and location that you

1461
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 1: were born, and then if you don't have that time,

1462
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: they can do something called rectification where you give them

1463
01:08:43,360 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 1: events in your life and then they kind of like

1464
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:48,400
Speaker 1: retrofit where they think your planets are and then they

1465
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 1: will kind of look at your life and kind of

1466
01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 1: tell you who you are.

1467
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 2: Now.

1468
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 1: The control freaking me when I have a client that

1469
01:08:55,320 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 1: I'm going to send to an astrologer. So I have

1470
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: a platform called Evolved Plus right onovolf Plus. I have

1471
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 1: various creators that I've worked with that I send my

1472
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 1: clients to. Certain clients need certain people with their expertise

1473
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 1: and what they do, so I usually give them a directive.

1474
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 1: So I look at astrology like an MRI. You don't

1475
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 1: MRI your entire body most of the time. I mean

1476
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 1: you can't know, but you normally you would just you're

1477
01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:23,599
Speaker 1: going for a specific reason. So I would say, okay, well,

1478
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:26,599
Speaker 1: if you're in Ares, then you're going to have Saturn

1479
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:28,439
Speaker 1: in your chart. Maybe go see how Saturn's going to

1480
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:30,680
Speaker 1: play out for you. So now there's an intro into

1481
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 1: your chart. But in that specific example, I would say, hey,

1482
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 1: I lost my person on December thirteenth, twenty twenty two.

1483
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 1: What is the lesson?

1484
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 2: You know?

1485
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:43,960
Speaker 1: I had a reading with John Edward and he said

1486
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 1: that I should look at like what's the lesson I'm

1487
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 1: supposed to be learning from that. I think the more

1488
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 1: information we get regarding the lessons we're here to learn

1489
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 1: can help us to move through whatever the stagnant, stuck

1490
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:57,600
Speaker 1: part of it is.

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01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a better question too, as opposed to what's

1492
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 2: going on in my life right now? Yes, which is

1493
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 2: a bit more broad and open, right, and kind of

1494
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 2: could be like, yeah, well, right now, this planet is

1495
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 2: making this happen, and this it's more like a weather forecast, right,

1496
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 2: rather than being specific and like what lesson am I

1497
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:15,680
Speaker 2: going to learn right now? What it's needed of me

1498
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 2: right now?

1499
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 1: I'm also not a fan of the word predictions, right,

1500
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 1: so like when I'm doing a session or if I

1501
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:23,040
Speaker 1: see somebody as a practitioner and they kind of predict stuff,

1502
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:26,080
Speaker 1: I'm more of a projector. I like to say, these

1503
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,600
Speaker 1: are projections from where you are. If you don't like

1504
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 1: some of this, try to make the changes now so

1505
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 1: you can adapt that, right, No different than health, Like,

1506
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 1: right now your test results are showing this your lab

1507
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:37,840
Speaker 1: results are showing this. If you don't change this, these

1508
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:40,160
Speaker 1: numbers are going to go up. That can cause this

1509
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:42,600
Speaker 1: tell my brain works. I used to work in the laboratory,

1510
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 1: so it's like when I'm doing reading, I'm seeing the

1511
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:46,720
Speaker 1: energy projections and I'm like, hey, this is the line

1512
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 1: of probability that you're flying on. You know, you may

1513
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 1: want to shift this, or hey this is awesome. You know,

1514
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 1: guess up, keep going.

1515
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:56,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's the language switch that's needed in

1516
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 2: some of these traditions too. It's because when you think

1517
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 2: about the commissions you have with your doctors, there's a

1518
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,639
Speaker 2: lot of diagnosing going on. They're the ones you could

1519
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 2: read the scan you can't write, Like if if I

1520
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 2: swor scan in my spine, I wouldn't know the difference

1521
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 2: because I'm not trained, But I trust the doctor knows

1522
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 2: how to do that.

1523
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 1: Correct hopefully yeah, hopefully, hopefully Yeah.

1524
01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:19,759
Speaker 2: How do we How do you honor your grief without

1525
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 2: letting it define you?

1526
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 1: Living with it like I feel like owning it, living

1527
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 1: with it, saying the person's name, making sure that you're

1528
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 1: you're including them, journalizing. Sometimes people feel like nobody wants

1529
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: to hear me talk about my person anymore. You know,

1530
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 1: I'm too I'm too much. It's too much, it's overwhelming.

1531
01:11:38,160 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 1: They don't want they're tired of me always bringing him

1532
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 1: up or her up. Living with that, acknowledging it, writing

1533
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 1: about it, journalizing about it, and making sure that they're

1534
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,599
Speaker 1: not forgotten, because that means that you're not forgetting your

1535
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 1: connection to them. And then I'll make it about living

1536
01:11:56,360 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 1: grief as well. Let's say you had a relation to

1537
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:01,360
Speaker 1: somebody a thirty year friendship and or as a sibling,

1538
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:03,680
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you have a falling out

1539
01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: with that person and now there's no contact. That's a

1540
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 1: painful moment for you. So I ask people to mine

1541
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:12,840
Speaker 1: for the positivity in that because half of that relationship

1542
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 1: is positive. It doesn't mean that you'll ever Like I

1543
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 1: have people that are out of my life, they will

1544
01:12:18,479 --> 01:12:21,639
Speaker 1: not have access to me again. They've that's not happening.

1545
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 1: But when I reflect back on my time with them,

1546
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: it's not negative. Like I know that negative things might

1547
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:30,600
Speaker 1: have brought us to where we're not connected now, but

1548
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:32,760
Speaker 1: I'm not going to take away my past. Yeah, I

1549
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:34,160
Speaker 1: had a great time with you. I had a great

1550
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 1: time for the time that we were spending spending together.

1551
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to be spending negative energy mourning

1552
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 1: the negative side of it. I get the negative side.

1553
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:45,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna reminisce about the positive stuff.

1554
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. I have a friend who sadly lost, who tragically

1555
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 2: lost their child, are like two weeks old, and they

1556
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 2: named it and you know, and that's been a really

1557
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:57,599
Speaker 2: big part of their grieving is being able to say

1558
01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:00,400
Speaker 2: the name, you know, not forget not.

1559
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 1: If anybody's listening to this, yeah, or for who is

1560
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:05,439
Speaker 1: listening to this. If you have somebody that you know

1561
01:13:05,479 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 1: that's lost a child, please say their name. You're not

1562
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:12,400
Speaker 1: going to offend the parent. They want to. They want

1563
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 1: that child to matter. It doesn't matter if that child

1564
01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:19,000
Speaker 1: was two days old, we're twenty two years old, we're

1565
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 1: forty years old. They want their child to be remembered.

1566
01:13:22,640 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 1: So you're not going to make them sad by saying

1567
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:28,240
Speaker 1: their name. You're gonna make them feel connected and that

1568
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 1: you're honoring that person.

1569
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:33,479
Speaker 2: Well said, how can someone find peace if they were

1570
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 2: not with their loved one in their final moments.

1571
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 1: So COVID taught us that right. COVID happens, and people

1572
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 1: can't be with their loved ones and friends when they're passing.

1573
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 1: So what I want everybody to know is that nobody

1574
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:49,799
Speaker 1: dies alone. When we leave the physical world, nobody passes alone.

1575
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 1: And you might say that's not true because nobody was there.

1576
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:55,639
Speaker 1: I mean that people come for us. We have loved

1577
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 1: ones and friends that are waiting for us that are there.

1578
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:02,599
Speaker 1: And if you're at someone deathbed, they may do things

1579
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:06,479
Speaker 1: where they're having deathbed visions, they may call out to

1580
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:09,920
Speaker 1: a person. You may sense that yourselves. There's always people

1581
01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 1: that come for us. So if you were not able

1582
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 1: to be with the person when they transition, please know

1583
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 1: that they were not alone. There's always people, sometimes pats

1584
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 1: that come for us. So nobody passes alone. And you

1585
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:24,320
Speaker 1: could set up a schedule to make sure that Grandma

1586
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 1: is not alone and that everybody's going to be with us.

1587
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 1: She'll never be alone. That one moment where Grandma was

1588
01:14:30,360 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 1: alone may be where Grandma transitions. And the reason why

1589
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 1: is people choose who they want to be with when

1590
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 1: they pass, and if it's too painful to leave while

1591
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 1: that person's there, they'll wait till that person's not. So

1592
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,080
Speaker 1: if you were not able to be there. Please don't

1593
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 1: take offense to that. Don't think that you fail them.

1594
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 1: They may not have been able to pass with you in.

1595
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 2: The room because they loved you too much.

1596
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 1: Because they loved you too much. We can't we can't

1597
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 1: hold them back. Our grief can't hold them back once

1598
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:55,800
Speaker 1: they left the physical world. I think we can hold

1599
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:57,680
Speaker 1: them back while they're here, though, because if we have

1600
01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 1: that energy, please don't go, Please don't go, Please don't go,

1601
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 1: They may not go.

1602
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 2: That's I mean, yeah, that's so reassuring for so many

1603
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:07,080
Speaker 2: people who are trying to time that moment perfectly.

1604
01:15:07,320 --> 01:15:11,479
Speaker 1: And that's why if you say to somebody it's okay,

1605
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 1: they may transition right after that, because you've given them permission,

1606
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 1: You've released them as best as you can.

1607
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, that's the push and pull, isn't it. When

1608
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 2: you love someone, you don't want them to leave, and

1609
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 2: at the same time, you don't want them to be

1610
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:27,640
Speaker 2: in pain, correct, And so until you're willing to let

1611
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:32,240
Speaker 2: go and recognize that that's better for them, there is

1612
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:35,719
Speaker 2: some energetic force that makes them hold on and stay

1613
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 2: on as well.

1614
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 1: So I have a phrase that I use with my kids,

1615
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 1: But I think it's applicable when it comes to grief

1616
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 1: as well. I have an aunt that said, you know,

1617
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 1: she's like, I know you're really close with your kids.

1618
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:45,599
Speaker 1: She's like, but you get the end of growing up,

1619
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:47,760
Speaker 1: You're going to have to let them go. And I said,

1620
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: I'll never let them go. I said, I'll never let

1621
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 1: them go, but I will let them grow. And I

1622
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:56,720
Speaker 1: feel that when it comes to grief, we may have

1623
01:15:56,760 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: to let them go physically, but let us grow together

1624
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 1: until we are able to connect again.

1625
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 2: That's beautiful. And I feel like when people leave there

1626
01:16:06,040 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 2: with the way I felt that with my my wife's

1627
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 2: grandmother passing, it was so peaceful, and she left so

1628
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 2: much peace because she was this radiant, vibrant, you know,

1629
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 2: deeply conscious powerhouse of a woman. She left like this,

1630
01:16:21,360 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 2: you know, really peaceful, sweet, celebratory energy, which was hard

1631
01:16:26,400 --> 01:16:27,400
Speaker 2: because it wasn't you know.

1632
01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:29,639
Speaker 1: And a legacy of love for the family to kind

1633
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 1: of stay connected, right as a result, she gave the language,

1634
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:36,639
Speaker 1: she gave the energy, she set to structure. And my grandmother,

1635
01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm feeling from you like my own grandmother. You know

1636
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 1: the level of any of my cousins watching this right

1637
01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 1: now or listening right now, they're they're immediately thinking about

1638
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:49,599
Speaker 1: my grandmother in the same way because she inspired family,

1639
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:53,639
Speaker 1: She inspired connection and love. Yeah, yeah, which comes through

1640
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:54,679
Speaker 1: guilt but still worked.

1641
01:16:56,080 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly. How can people connect with people they've

1642
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 2: lost in their life on a daily basis? You mentioned

1643
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:07,679
Speaker 2: earlier that you do that. I was talking about how

1644
01:17:07,800 --> 01:17:11,000
Speaker 2: I do that. How do you suggest people do that

1645
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 2: and keep that person alive in their life? And is

1646
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:13,759
Speaker 2: that healthy?

1647
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 1: I think it's healthy. I think it's important. I think

1648
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 1: telling stories to people that never knew them. Like I

1649
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:23,960
Speaker 1: never knew my grandfather. I never met him. My grandfather

1650
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:26,919
Speaker 1: died before I was born. My mom did an amazing

1651
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 1: job at making him a three dimensional figure for me,

1652
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:35,639
Speaker 1: from explaining what he looked like, how he was emotionally

1653
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 1: positive and negative by the way, like she just made

1654
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 1: him a real person that I kind of felt like

1655
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 1: I knew him. So it would be like if you

1656
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:44,760
Speaker 1: go see a movie and I'm not going to get

1657
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 1: a chance to see the movie, and you now tell

1658
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 1: me all about the movie. Yeah, you gave me the plot,

1659
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:52,760
Speaker 1: you gave me the characters, the cinematic of it, all

1660
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 1: of it. I feel like I've seen the movie now

1661
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 1: because you did such a good job describing it. Well,

1662
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,200
Speaker 1: I'm happy she did that because she gave me language,

1663
01:18:00,479 --> 01:18:02,120
Speaker 1: and that language is what I had to use with

1664
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 1: my kids for her. And I will have conversations with

1665
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 1: my kids legitimately where I'll be like, make sure you

1666
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:11,599
Speaker 1: tell my grandkids this, and my daughter will be like,

1667
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:15,719
Speaker 1: you tell your grandkids meaning like you ain't going anywhere,

1668
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 1: But the reality is what if I'm not here? That

1669
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 1: is a reality. I may not be here when they

1670
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:23,439
Speaker 1: have kids. So I'm having that conversation with them. Make

1671
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 1: sure you tell my grandkids this, make sure that they

1672
01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:28,879
Speaker 1: know about this. So I think having the conversation is important,

1673
01:18:29,280 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 1: communicating with people that you know will never know them

1674
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:36,440
Speaker 1: or meet them, so that you're keeping this three dimensional

1675
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 1: archetype of a personality present because really what it's do

1676
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:44,320
Speaker 1: is keeping a bridge between you and them and doing that.

1677
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:48,800
Speaker 1: On my Instagram, I think it was April. I was

1678
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 1: feeling my mom. I was just thinking about her, and

1679
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 1: you know, she's been gone thirty years and I was like,

1680
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 1: I'm going to post a photo and I posted it.

1681
01:18:56,439 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 1: It had nothing to do with birthdays anniversaries. A moment

1682
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 1: I was feeling my mom. I posted a photo of

1683
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 1: my mom. It was me honoring her. So you know,

1684
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 1: I have this like image in my mom image in

1685
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:11,080
Speaker 1: my head of my mom being in the afterlife going Look.

1686
01:19:11,240 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 1: My son posted a photo of me on earth Agram. Look,

1687
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,599
Speaker 1: let's go look, you know, but it's where I'm honoring.

1688
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:20,600
Speaker 1: I'm keeping that person. Food. Food is another way that

1689
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:23,719
Speaker 1: you can honor someone. So with my grandmother, we talked

1690
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 1: about you know your wife's grandmother. And with my grandmother,

1691
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 1: I lived with her. She had arthritis, so she used

1692
01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 1: to cook every Sunday for a lot of people. So

1693
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:36,800
Speaker 1: she'd be like, come help me. So I cooked with her.

1694
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 1: I didn't know at the time how important that was.

1695
01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:45,600
Speaker 1: Like that I had like my grandma's recipes that I

1696
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:49,200
Speaker 1: could if I wanted to make at Christmas time STRUEFULO.

1697
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 1: I can make struthful of for the family. Not that

1698
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 1: I do, but but I could if I wanted to write.

1699
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 1: So there's a tradition that gets passed down. So what

1700
01:19:56,840 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 1: are the legacies. What are the traditions? Food, like music,

1701
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 1: all of those things are ways to keep them present

1702
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 1: and allow them to still be part of our lives.

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01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are beautiful. I love those really helpful for

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01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:12,160
Speaker 2: people who are going through it right now, what's your

1705
01:20:12,160 --> 01:20:16,480
Speaker 2: take on keeping things that they owned and physical items?

1706
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 1: Again, I think that depends upon the person. My thing

1707
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 1: is they don't care. Nobody ever comes through going you

1708
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 1: gave away my car, you know, you threw out my

1709
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 1: clothes like, they don't care. The value for them is

1710
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 1: love and connection, not articles, not things. They don't come

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01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 1: through when people are fighting over the house. They don't

1712
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 1: talk about stuff like that. They don't take sides because

1713
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 1: in the physical world material things matter, that doesn't matter.

1714
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 1: They're the true true value of the world, energy, universe

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01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:50,559
Speaker 1: is love and connection, communication. That's what they value. That's

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01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:53,600
Speaker 1: what they come through you know, mostly about. But I

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01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:56,280
Speaker 1: think for some people they're in positions where they can't

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01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 1: keep a house. Right. So if someone can't keep a

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01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 1: house and they know that they're let's say their spouse

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01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:05,679
Speaker 1: love the house, They lived and breathed for the house,

1721
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 1: for the garden, They put their entire life into that,

1722
01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 1: and now they have to sell the house because they

1723
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 1: can't afford it. That's devastating on top of the loss.

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01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 1: So I've had so many readings where people come through

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01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:18,559
Speaker 1: saying it's Okay, you can sell the house. You're not

1726
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:21,720
Speaker 1: losing me. But that's great to be released of that.

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01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 1: But that person still is losing their house. So now

1728
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 1: they're going to grieve the loss of the relationship and

1729
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:28,200
Speaker 1: they're going to grieve the loss of the house. So

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01:21:28,240 --> 01:21:31,080
Speaker 1: what's the solution. And an example like that, I say,

1731
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 1: hire a real estate attorney, a real estate photographer to

1732
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:36,880
Speaker 1: come in and film your house in that three dimensional

1733
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 1: thing so you can always have a walkthrough of the

1734
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 1: house that you remember because you don't have to be

1735
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:44,600
Speaker 1: in the house in order to feel the house. You

1736
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:47,720
Speaker 1: could legitimately walk through that house anytime you want. So

1737
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:51,759
Speaker 1: you find ways to navigate and kind of experience your grief,

1738
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:53,400
Speaker 1: but to work with it and through it.

1739
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:56,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. So a question that I have, John is I

1740
01:21:56,720 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 2: feel like for a lot of people, they can become

1741
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:02,479
Speaker 2: a sort of dependency on a lot of this work,

1742
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 2: and it can start to become somewhat of a crutch. Obviously,

1743
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 2: we all need time to process, we need time, but

1744
01:22:08,040 --> 01:22:09,680
Speaker 2: it can become something that you just fall back on

1745
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 2: all the time. How do you help someone move on

1746
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:16,679
Speaker 2: or move through that, because it can kind of feel

1747
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:22,760
Speaker 2: self fulfilling to just sit in this space, try and

1748
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 2: get affirmation and validation, but not really do the work

1749
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:27,759
Speaker 2: and apply and move forward.

1750
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:31,200
Speaker 1: So I think it's a really powerful question, and I

1751
01:22:31,240 --> 01:22:34,000
Speaker 1: think it's really important that people don't look at this

1752
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 1: work as a crutch. It should be something that is

1753
01:22:37,479 --> 01:22:41,760
Speaker 1: an asset to their way of life, in the way

1754
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 1: of their thinking. So we should never externalize our feelings,

1755
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 1: whether it be love or grief. We should be internalizing

1756
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:51,840
Speaker 1: those moments. And I think I was very kind of like,

1757
01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 1: you know, lucky because I was popular, like from the

1758
01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 1: beginning of my career, so it was hard to get

1759
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,800
Speaker 1: back in to see me, so I could keep a

1760
01:23:02,840 --> 01:23:06,240
Speaker 1: buffer between people. But before that kind of like happened,

1761
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 1: I would say to people when they would say, you know,

1762
01:23:08,200 --> 01:23:09,920
Speaker 1: why can I come back and see you again, I'd

1763
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 1: be like a year, nine months, like take some time,

1764
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:17,120
Speaker 1: and they'd be like that's a long time. I'm like, well, yeah.

1765
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 1: But when I used to work at a psychic fair

1766
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 1: when I first started, the same people would show up

1767
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:24,920
Speaker 1: like every like two or three weeks and they had

1768
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 1: the same questions, And I remember saying to this one moment,

1769
01:23:27,200 --> 01:23:29,639
Speaker 1: I'm like, can we let some like life happen? Here.

1770
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 1: I was like, cause I feel like I should be

1771
01:23:31,160 --> 01:23:33,679
Speaker 1: coming over for dinner now, like I feel like we're friends,

1772
01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:36,400
Speaker 1: and I don't really feel this as professional. And then

1773
01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:40,920
Speaker 1: I had another client that I jokingly fired her and

1774
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 1: I just was like, I cannot read you anymore. And

1775
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:45,639
Speaker 1: she was like, why I go because he is never

1776
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:48,680
Speaker 1: leaving his wife for you. I was like, I'm not

1777
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 1: the right person for you. I'm not going to tell

1778
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 1: you what you want to hear. So I think it's

1779
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:55,519
Speaker 1: important to set boundaries. So I set boundaries with clients

1780
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 1: all the time, like I'll just be like, you know,

1781
01:23:57,040 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 1: you can't come back and see me. If I'm doing

1782
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:03,599
Speaker 1: a zoom group and I recognize somebody, I will literally

1783
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 1: say to them I can't read you. You know, I've

1784
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:08,160
Speaker 1: just seen you. I remember you like I don't want

1785
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:08,640
Speaker 1: to remember you.

1786
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 2: So, yeah, your new book kind of took you to

1787
01:24:12,360 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 2: different lengths, almost outside of your outside of your comfort zone. Yes,

1788
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 2: it's a really uncomfortable spaces beyond what you'd usually do. Yes,

1789
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 2: talk to me about how Chasing Evil even came about.

1790
01:24:25,240 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 1: So Chasing Evil is the thirty year culmination of me

1791
01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 1: assisting an FBI agent now retired on his casework, and he,

1792
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:40,840
Speaker 1: like multiple other people, did not believe in the subject matter,

1793
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:44,559
Speaker 1: except he took it to another level. He heard me

1794
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:47,200
Speaker 1: on radio. I do a lot of radio live collumns.

1795
01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 1: He heard me multiple times, and he thought I was

1796
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 1: a fraud, a grifter, and a con as he puts it.

1797
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 1: And he came to me under the guise of a

1798
01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 1: real cold case that he was working, and he wanted

1799
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:02,840
Speaker 1: my assistance. He brought nine items, five of which were

1800
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 1: pretending to the case, four of which were control items

1801
01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 1: that had nothing to do with the case, and in

1802
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:12,360
Speaker 1: the beginning of my meeting with him, I separated the

1803
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 1: four things that did not belong to the case. Got

1804
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 1: his attention. He had arranged for the woman that was

1805
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 1: missing her daughter to be on standby because he heard

1806
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 1: me make connections with people on the radio, so he thought,

1807
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:25,599
Speaker 1: you know, put me on the phone with the woman.

1808
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:29,200
Speaker 1: The woman comes through, I solve the case. That didn't happen,

1809
01:25:29,479 --> 01:25:31,439
Speaker 1: but I wound up reading for him and gave him

1810
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 1: information that was applicable to his life, and then information

1811
01:25:35,120 --> 01:25:37,160
Speaker 1: that when he went home he had to get validated

1812
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 1: from his parents things that he did not know, so

1813
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 1: his world got a little bit rocked, right, He got

1814
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 1: the reality of what a reading looks like, the validation,

1815
01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:46,640
Speaker 1: and said, can you use your ability to help me?

1816
01:25:47,520 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 1: And there was a sense of duty that I kind

1817
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:51,760
Speaker 1: of had. Now. The ironic part is my dad was

1818
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:54,880
Speaker 1: a New York City police officer and told me, don't

1819
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 1: sully my name with this BS that you're doing, and

1820
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 1: never let me find out that you're like working with

1821
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 1: the police, Like, just don't do that. And I didn't.

1822
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 1: And by the way, I really didn't have an interest

1823
01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:09,840
Speaker 1: in it, and with great respect with this book in

1824
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 1: this process, I still don't have an interest in it.

1825
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 1: It's not where my passion lies. My passion is not

1826
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:16,439
Speaker 1: into crime solving. My passion is to help everyday people.

1827
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 1: In the same way that when I did, you know,

1828
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:21,599
Speaker 1: crossing over in TV shows, I hated when they brought

1829
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:25,080
Speaker 1: celebrities on because I didn't want to read celebrities. That's

1830
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 1: not my thing. Chasing Evil was different. I got pulled

1831
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:31,599
Speaker 1: in with Bob and it took me on a journey

1832
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 1: that I wasn't expecting. It forced me to review that

1833
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:40,840
Speaker 1: although I had thought I did the work where my

1834
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 1: dad was concerned, apparently I didn't. And I might have

1835
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:49,960
Speaker 1: been seeking some patriarchal approval by helping him, and we

1836
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 1: had some great success working together, and there's multiple cases,

1837
01:26:54,040 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 1: there's a lot of sadness, and I felt again the

1838
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:03,479
Speaker 1: word was duty to try to help this man on

1839
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 1: his path. I say openly, I didn't solve anything. I

1840
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:09,600
Speaker 1: did for him what I do for my clients. I

1841
01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:13,320
Speaker 1: gave him information. He used that information and he solves

1842
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:13,839
Speaker 1: his cases.

1843
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 2: And what book would you recommend to my audience who

1844
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 2: wants to learn about your work from a foundational level

1845
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 2: then to really dive into it.

1846
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:25,080
Speaker 1: I have a book called The Infinite Quest and that

1847
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:28,040
Speaker 1: book is on a platform that I created called Evolved

1848
01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 1: plus TV. That's probably where I would send people because

1849
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:35,040
Speaker 1: evolve plus TV is a one stop destination where you're

1850
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:36,759
Speaker 1: going to hit all the things that we talked about.

1851
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 1: You know, we have somebody that does past life aggression

1852
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:40,800
Speaker 1: therapy on there. We have numerologists on there, we have

1853
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:43,599
Speaker 1: astrologers on there, and they're all people that I work with,

1854
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 1: like I've worked with them send clients too, So I

1855
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:49,160
Speaker 1: kind of brought them together in like one spot, and

1856
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:51,280
Speaker 1: on evolve plus, people have the opportunity to set up

1857
01:27:51,280 --> 01:27:53,800
Speaker 1: a profile. We do a ton of live streams, so

1858
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:57,640
Speaker 1: there's multiple opportunities to interact, evolve, learn and grow. But

1859
01:27:57,720 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 1: the book Infinite Quest is on my channel under books,

1860
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:04,600
Speaker 1: and then I have an eight part development workshop workshops

1861
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 1: that's on their call Project You, and it's all geared

1862
01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 1: towards helping people to do exactly what it is evolve.

1863
01:28:10,680 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 2: So if anyone's feeling very curious after this conversation, they

1864
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 2: should Evolve.

1865
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 1: Plus Evolve plus dot TV. Yep.

1866
01:28:16,680 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 2: Amazing, John, Thank you so much for your time, your energy,

1867
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 2: your insight. It's it's remarkable. It's something like I said,

1868
01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:26,479
Speaker 2: I'm so curious about I'm really fascinated by the way

1869
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:27,000
Speaker 2: you present it.

1870
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:28,760
Speaker 1: I feel like I've learned so much, and thank you

1871
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 1: for having me.

1872
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:31,519
Speaker 2: And yeah, if it was anything I didn't ask you

1873
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:32,879
Speaker 2: that you wish I asked you.

1874
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 1: No, it is really thought provoking questions.

1875
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, good, I'm glad. Well, thank you so

1876
01:28:37,400 --> 01:28:40,519
Speaker 2: much again, honestly, thank you, and yeah, I look forward

1877
01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:43,080
Speaker 2: to learning so much more on this. The book sounds fascinating,

1878
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:45,320
Speaker 2: so I'm excited for people to dive into it as well.

1879
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:48,000
Speaker 1: Because the feedback has been like the book, it's probably

1880
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:50,080
Speaker 1: the best reviewed book that I've been a part of.

1881
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:53,200
Speaker 2: I mean it does. The stories just sound incredible. So

1882
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:56,840
Speaker 2: congratulations as you, Yeah, thank you amazing. If this is

1883
01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 2: the year that you're trying to get creative, you're trying

1884
01:28:59,479 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 2: to build more, I need you to listen to this

1885
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 2: episode with Rick Rubin on how to break into your

1886
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:09,200
Speaker 2: most creative self, how to use unconventional methods that lead

1887
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 2: to success, and the secret to genuinely loving what you do.

1888
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 2: If you're trying to find your passion and your lane,

1889
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:18,680
Speaker 2: Rick Rubin's episode is the one for you.

1890
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:21,400
Speaker 1: Just because I like it, that doesn't give it any value,

1891
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 1: Like as an artist, if you like it, that's all

1892
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:27,800
Speaker 1: of the value. That's the success comes when you say

1893
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:30,360
Speaker 1: I like this enough for other people to see it.