1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:00,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, that. 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 2: Chuck Norris was chasing the Tyrannosaurus Rex. 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: The rex was not chasing the jeep. Murray, Murray, you there, 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: you love sandwiches. Huh, Let's go to uh eighty. 5 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 2: It was bo. 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 1: Wow that Prime Time maybe had a crush on Betty Rubbell. 7 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 2: I honestly, until after the segment ended and we went 8 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 2: to commercial break, had no idea that Jonathan Coachman was black. 9 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: He caught them the game last night, although they won 10 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: the game. It is to. 11 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 2: Sports book Set Davis is going to join us from 12 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 2: CBS Sports. Get us ready here for what's going to 13 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 2: be a great Final four coming up this weekend. There 14 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: was some news Israel involving Tiger Woods, who got yet 15 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 2: another car accident rollover, went to jail. 16 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: Mug shots were not didn't look good. 17 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 2: They looked similar to other mug shots we have seen 18 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 2: from Tiger Woods, and it's kind of interesting. Now Tiger 19 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 2: Woods is released a statement where he is going to 20 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 2: step away from the game ask for privacy as he 21 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 2: tries to recover. He realizes he has a problem. It 22 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 2: seems like his friends or someone close to him has 23 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 2: spoken to Tiger Woods, but that is the best case 24 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 2: scenario at least as far as I'm concerned for Tiger Woods, 25 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 2: is to step away from golf, because what Tiger Woods 26 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 2: is doing is trying to please himself and trying to 27 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 2: please us by getting himself healthy, because five green jackets 28 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 2: isn't enough. And I hope someone sat him down and said. 29 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:32,839 Speaker 1: Hey, Tiger, you're the greatest golfer that's ever lived. 30 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 3: You've done enough. 31 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 2: You don't need to do anymore, and you certainly don't 32 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 2: need to do it at the risk of your own body, 33 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: your own health, and your own family. 34 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's just a lot to this story. 35 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 4: For starters, it feels like, man, it feels like people 36 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 4: want to try to overthink this or try to like 37 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 4: get in Tiger's head or try to, you know, sort 38 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 4: of piece together how we got here. 39 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 3: And it's just like, I think we're kind of over 40 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 3: thinking this thing. 41 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 4: Like everybody's saying to everybody saying, oh, get a driver, 42 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 4: Like that'll solve everything, will it. 43 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 3: I mean, let's think about this for a second. 44 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 4: Okay, So if he has to stay to himself, forget 45 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 4: everybody else, he has to say to himself, oh, I've 46 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 4: got a problem here. I can't stop taking these pain 47 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 4: meds at times and then driving. 48 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 3: Therefore, the answer is to get a driver. 49 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 4: No, I think the answer is to find a way 50 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 4: to deal with the addiction to the pain meds. 51 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: Right. 52 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 4: And then if you're saying to everybody, hey, look at me, 53 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 4: I got a driver, they're gonna be like, why is 54 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 4: your what is your? Is it a problem? 55 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 3: Is it an addiction? It's an addiction. Okay, let's settle 56 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 3: the addiction. 57 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 1: Right. 58 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 5: It seems to me playing armchair psychologists here, that always 59 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 5: has a very addictive personality. I'm sure that's how he 60 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 5: got so good at golf, because he became addicted to it. 61 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 5: Then he got addicted to the women. And now he's 62 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 5: trying to get back to his addiction of golf. And 63 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 5: the only way to do that is to get his 64 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 5: body feeling right. And guess what, after the amount of 65 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 5: injuries he has had, the way to do that is 66 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 5: to take pain meds for him, and he becomes and 67 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 5: those things are so addictive, and he just became addicted 68 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 5: to them, and it's it's a vicious circle. And until 69 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 5: he removes one of those things for us, it's easy. 70 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 5: It should be the golf. None of them are going 71 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 5: to get fixed. 72 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: No, but is he is? 73 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:26,639 Speaker 3: Right? 74 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 2: Like for us to sit here and say, hey, get 75 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 2: a driver, what does that solve. He's still taking the 76 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 2: he's still taking the pain medication. He just has someone 77 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 2: driving him around town. The problem isn't Tiger driving. The 78 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 2: problem is the drugs. 79 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, people want to dig so deep into this. 80 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 4: Those things are just wildly addictive, and so yeah, somebody 81 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 4: who it doesn't even matter if you have an addictive personality, 82 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 4: if you're using it for the pain meds, and then 83 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 4: all of a sudden it becomes something that your body 84 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 4: feels like it needs, that's going to tell you it 85 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 4: needs it more often. 86 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 5: Getting a driver is fixing the symptom, not the cause. 87 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: Well, no, it's not fixing anything. 88 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: It's just keeping him safe and everyone else safe when 89 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 2: he's on drugs and on and he's on the road, 90 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 2: you know, and that's and so you know, people. 91 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: Forget this about Tiger. Is he It's interesting? 92 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 2: This is a man whose body is in such bad condition. 93 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 2: He's in so much pain. I feel so badly for him. Okay, Well, 94 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 2: what people don't realize about Tiger and the training that 95 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 2: was involved with Tiger and Tiger becoming the greatest golfer 96 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 2: that's ever lived. He was working out military style. He 97 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 2: was doing things that green berets. 98 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: And marines, he was working out with them. 99 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 2: He was doing stuff you don't really need to do, 100 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 2: and his body is paying for it. 101 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: That combined with the golf, his body's paying for it. 102 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: And so what does he look for He looks for 103 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: a quick fix. 104 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 2: And why does he look for it Because it's easier 105 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 2: just to take a pill than to actually address the 106 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 2: actual issues. And why is he taking these pills? Because 107 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 2: he is, as Mikey pointed out, addicted to winning golf 108 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 2: tournaments and still thinks in. 109 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: His mind, I got one more run at Augustine. 110 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 4: But even that, like even that that you just put 111 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 4: together is just getting into Tiger's head and thinking for him, right, 112 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 4: what this is? 113 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 3: Possibly why I'm doing it? Could just be as simple 114 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 3: as this is just life. 115 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 4: This is what's involved in his life in golf, and 116 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 4: his addiction is part of that. And he's just living, right, 117 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 4: He's just doing whatever you're saying. He's doing golf because 118 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 4: people want to see him, and he thinks that that 119 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 4: might not be the case. It might just be the 120 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 4: case because that's what he does on the day to day. 121 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 4: He just also happens to be on these payments. 122 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 2: This is why we have is he because he thinks 123 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 2: differently and hething's like a normal person. 124 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: Because he's right. 125 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 2: Unless you've been in that daily type of pain and 126 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 2: my mom was, you will search far and wide for 127 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 2: anything to make that pain go away. And it could 128 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 2: be as simple as, hey, my fucking body hurts, and 129 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 2: these pills, man, they make it go away, and they 130 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: make it go away quickly. 131 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 3: It's a quick fix. 132 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: That's all it is, you know. 133 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, the idea, You're right right, It could just be 134 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 2: as simple as this isn't about golf. This isn't about 135 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:56,919 Speaker 2: I started taking something. I went down a path, my 136 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 2: body was hurting. I started, like many football players, order 137 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 2: taking this. This made it go away quickly, and I 138 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 2: can't stop taking it. 139 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, people think that maybe because he's such a successful 140 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 4: athlete and has sort of access to anything that he wants, 141 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 4: like he's all super well adjusted as a human being. 142 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 4: We have no idea what he's like as a human being. Obviously, 143 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 4: he's had problems within his family, so if you really 144 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 4: dig in there, it's like maybe there's just issues within 145 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 4: tiger woods that we don't know about, of course, and 146 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 4: so yeah, I think it's it's it's sad, it's it's tough. 147 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: To look at. 148 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 4: It's good that he is getting some sort of help 149 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 4: when this is all I say all this. Last time, 150 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 4: there was no serious serious incident out you know, the rollover, 151 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 4: Nobody was seriously injured. In comparison or complete contrasts to 152 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 4: and Mikey, last night I watched the lamar odomdock, the 153 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 4: untold one, and I had been like sort of lukewarm, 154 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 4: kind of cold actually on the on the untold ones 155 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 4: because of I don't know, that's just produced by the 156 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 4: people that are the subjects, and therefore they're not that 157 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 4: necessarily thorough and in detail. But this one was really good. 158 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 4: Lamar was in it, Chloe Kardashian was in it, and 159 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:11,239 Speaker 4: man like the level of addictive personality that lamar Odom 160 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 4: had and the way he kept just raising the stakes 161 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 4: and like just going on benders and like it was 162 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 4: all he knew and literally put his life at stake 163 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 4: and was like dead for three days. Like that is 164 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 4: just house quickly sort of a slippery slope an athlete 165 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 4: can take if he didn't have like a home base, 166 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 4: like Lamar had just so much going on in his 167 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 4: life and so much bad stuff, like his mother dying. 168 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 4: He had one of his son's died of SIDS, you know, 169 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 4: in twenty sixteen, and so like all that pressure and 170 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 4: all that stuff just led into him being this complete addict. 171 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 4: And there's an image of his father in there, and 172 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 4: he was very similar to So I say all that 173 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 4: to say, you have no idea what's going on in 174 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 4: these people's lives, even somebody like Lamar who was in 175 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 4: a reality show and wide open about it. Yeah, just like, yeah, 176 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 4: you didn't think he would show up at a brothel, 177 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 4: you know, dying off of penis pills by. 178 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: The way, Yes, yeah, that's what it was. 179 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 4: He took twelve like sexual enhancers when it says right 180 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 4: on the thing, you're only supposed to take one, and 181 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 4: so within twenty four hours. So it's just it's wild 182 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 4: to think that you know, no matter what level of 183 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 4: athlete that we know and how much we think we 184 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 4: know them, they're just like us in some respect. 185 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: I have said that for basically my entire career. We 186 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: don't know these people. 187 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: We like to think that we know these people you 188 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 2: have a little embraced with a guy at a golf 189 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 2: tournament and you think he's your best friend. You don't 190 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 2: know what the fuck's going on in his private life. 191 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 2: No one does, none of us too, and they don't 192 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 2: want you to know. And so that's interesting, is ye. 193 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 2: So the Autumn documentary was good? Huh, it's it's very good. 194 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,559 Speaker 2: A lot of things I didn't know. Chloe was very, 195 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 2: very just open about it. There was some images of 196 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 2: after his coma where they're showing her showing him pictures 197 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 2: and asking if he knows who this person is they're 198 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 2: showing him, you know, basically as if he went through 199 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 2: I think he said something the equivalent of like twelve 200 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 2: strokes and six heart. 201 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 4: Attacks, which I don't know about. You sort of figure 202 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 4: that out. But he definitely had to learn how to 203 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 4: do everything again. And the fact that he is in 204 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 4: this doc speaking the way he is, moving the way 205 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 4: he is, it's crazy that he's recovered to this level. 206 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: Why he's speaking well, he's looking well, is what you're saying. 207 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, unless they're high to get, you know, 208 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 4: particularly on their likes on a lot of clothes or whatever, 209 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 4: talking well seems sharp. 210 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 3: You know, moving around seems normal. 211 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 1: Is he? 212 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 2: Are you mad at us as a show because you 213 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 2: want to talk basketball all the time and we never do. 214 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 2: And yet March, all we've done is talk college basketball. 215 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: Thinking about this last night, is he? 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Taylor has a take, our executive 267 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 2: producer a college sports related take that has gone viral 268 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 2: today and I want to get your thoughts on it. 269 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: Taylor take it away. 270 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 8: Yeah, I wish we didn't do this for Seth Davis 271 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 8: because the whole thing is be kind and this is 272 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 8: kind of going against the whole be kind notion. Yeah, 273 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 8: but Seth, my take was, if your favorite college football 274 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 8: team is different from your favorite college basketball team, nobody 275 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 8: respects you. 276 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 7: I think that is a very kind thing to say. 277 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,320 Speaker 9: I think calling people out for their hypocrisy is an 278 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 9: act of kindness. 279 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 7: I am right with you, right with you. 280 00:12:54,240 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 2: How anyway, Seth how do we view Dan Hurley if 281 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 2: he goes on to win a national championship, his third 282 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 2: national championship, where does he kind of fall in the 283 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 2: pecking order of all time great coaches? Because that ties 284 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 2: in with Jim Calhoun puts them two behind coach K. 285 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 9: Short list of three or more. Right, there's Calhoun, there's k, 286 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 9: and there's Woulden. I think Night only had two, right, yes, 287 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 9: so yeah, there's that's one way to That's one way 288 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 9: to measure greatness. I mean, you know, this was not 289 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 9: a team that I really expected to get to the 290 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 9: final four. You know, they had kind of an up 291 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 9: and down year, but you know a lot of these 292 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 9: teams had an up and down year. They showed an 293 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 9: incredible fight in that game against Duke. They just never 294 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 9: gave up. Uh and his ability to impart his personality 295 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 9: onto his team. It's not like automatic, you know, so 296 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 9: super impressive, he brings he checks every box. You know, 297 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 9: people call him polarizing or they don't like a sideline antics. 298 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 9: I mean, there's so many phonies in this world. Like 299 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 9: we always say we want people to be honest. We 300 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 9: always say we want people to be authentic, and then 301 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 9: when they are, we shred them for it. Hopefully you're 302 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 9: not following this ridiculousness of him putting his forehead on 303 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 9: the referee. 304 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 7: Roger Airs chatted about it. 305 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 9: You have with great kindness, and I'm sure it doesn't 306 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 9: require kindness, it just requires facts. 307 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 7: The facts are the rule says that you. 308 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 9: Are not allowed to contact have contact with an official 309 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 9: in a way that is meant to intimidate or that 310 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 9: is disrespectful. Those are rules that are that are in 311 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 9: the books. He did that right when Braylan Mullins hit 312 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 9: the shot at a crazy moment, right trying to intimidate. 313 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 7: The ref What is wrong with people? 314 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 3: It's not like it's just like what is wrong with people? 315 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 3: It's just something we've never seen. So it was just 316 00:14:58,920 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 3: fun too. 317 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 2: I mean, just point there are different types of head butts. 318 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 2: There's a friendly headbutt and there's a head butt that's 319 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 2: intending to hurt you. 320 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 9: Is he is he like context matters? Is he trying 321 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 9: to intimidate the ref? Is there anybody on this zoom 322 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 9: that that wants to argue that in that moment he's 323 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 9: trying to intimidate the official? 324 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 7: But that's what happened. At worst, it was what was anybody. 325 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 3: Could speak up. 326 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 7: What was Dan Hurley's motivation at that moment? 327 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 2: Not to get a technical, that's for sure, I can 328 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 2: tell you that much his motivation. 329 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 7: Why did he do it? 330 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: He wanted to do it. He was celebrating with the 331 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: guy that. 332 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 7: Was closest to him, but he excited. 333 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 3: He said that. 334 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 4: Actually looked to me like he has a decent relationship 335 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 4: with that referee, so he knows he can do that. 336 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 4: In that moment, thank you, Yeah is thank you. 337 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 9: And then you know, like I said, you know this 338 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 9: to me looked like to buddy like Roger Air, like 339 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 9: that's what good officials do. 340 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 7: You know. 341 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 9: There was a game probably about a month ago, maybe 342 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 9: three weeks ago, I'll say a month ago, and Houston 343 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 9: was playing a game and there was a really bad 344 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 9: call that went against Houston and there was a ref 345 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 9: who was standing right in front of Kelvin Samson, and 346 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 9: Kelvin was losing his mind and really giving it to 347 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 9: the ref, and the ref stood there and let him 348 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 9: do it, and then he moved on like that's what 349 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 9: officiating is supposed to be. Anyway, I didn't mean to 350 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 9: get on. I don't mean to hijack the show I'm 351 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 9: your guest, Please ask your question. 352 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 2: But I think the friendly headbot may have cost the 353 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 2: referee a spot in the Final four, because. 354 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 7: Bullshits, that's not true. It's not true. 355 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 9: He did exactly what he was supposed to do in 356 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 9: that situation. 357 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: But he's really yes, but he's not refereeing in the 358 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: Final four. 359 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 9: I mean, oh, so he must be a terrible ref 360 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 9: because only only terrible refs don't ref in the Final four. 361 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 9: Like there's there's nine refs who are going to be 362 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 9: working this weekend. Nine Okay, by the way, if he's 363 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 9: such a terrible ref, why is he working the Elite 364 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 9: eight right? 365 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 3: And the marquee game of the Elite eight? 366 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 9: Why did he ref He probably both do Carolina games. 367 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 9: I know he's primarily an agency Roger ayres Is refereed 368 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 9: a lot of Final fours. If you think that's the 369 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 9: reason why he's not reving the Final four, I can't 370 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 9: help you. 371 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 7: And I say that with all do. 372 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 3: Kindness, Seth. 373 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 8: What do you make of the Carolina head coaching search 374 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 8: where it seems like they've gotten to the point their 375 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 8: contempt waiting for Dusty May Tommy Lloyd and just gonna 376 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 8: let that kind of play out and see if either 377 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 8: of those coaches tell them no. 378 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 7: Well, part of what's. 379 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 9: Going on is they moved back the opening day of 380 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:37,959 Speaker 9: the transfer portal last year, and previously it started the 381 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 9: Monday of Sweet sixteen week. So if you were coaching 382 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 9: in the Sweet sixteen, you had to be in the 383 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:47,199 Speaker 9: transfer portal, recruiting out of the transfer portal. And so 384 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 9: also if you are looking for a coach, you know 385 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 9: you're taking a risk by not having a coach during 386 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 9: the first two weeks of the transfer portal. So the 387 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 9: fact that it doesn't start open until April seventh, and 388 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 9: by the way, you know what else happens in early April. 389 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 7: Is the NBA season ends. 390 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 9: And so now you can have that conversation with Billy Donovan, who, 391 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 9: from his public comments, has not closed the door. I've 392 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 9: seen some reporting that Brad Stevens has privately closed the door. 393 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 7: I'll still believe that when I see it. 394 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 9: Now, the Celtics are in second place in the East 395 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 9: and the Bulls aren't going to the playoffs, and there's 396 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 9: chatt of that maybe Billy Donovan leaves anyway. 397 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 7: So look, as. 398 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 9: North Carolina you want to you got to have that conversation. 399 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 9: The problem becomes the math on these buyouts. I think 400 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 9: Tommy Lloyd's buyout at Arizona is like eleven million dollars. 401 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 9: So you've got to pay Hubert Davis five million dollars 402 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 9: to buy him out. Now you've got to pay Tommy 403 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 9: Lloyd's buy out eleven million dollars. That's before you've paid 404 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 9: him a penny and salary. And you know, he's got 405 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 9: to be pretty much, if not the highest paid coach 406 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 9: in the sport, certainly close to it. And then, by 407 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 9: the way, you've got to come up with you know, 408 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,959 Speaker 9: probably eight figures for your roster, So that's a lot 409 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 9: of money. I think that's much more of an issue 410 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 9: than anything else for them moving forward. That's that's probably 411 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:10,639 Speaker 9: why they probably end up, you know, aside for Billy Donovan. 412 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 9: Obviously there's no buyout of that situation, right, you probably 413 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 9: end up with. If I had to give you a name, 414 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 9: I would say Mark Byington from Vanderbilt, who's a really 415 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 9: good coach. I think you do a really good job. 416 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 9: But if you're a Carolina fan, like, does that like 417 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 9: light your world on fire? Probably should, but it probably doesn't. 418 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 4: Seth going into this tournament, a lot of people were 419 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 4: looking at some of the bigger named players, the Darren Peterson's, 420 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 4: the cam Boozers, Ag Debonta see how they would perform. 421 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 4: But of the teams that are remaining, is there a 422 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 4: player that has shown the best for him in these 423 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 4: first four games? Because I love every time I watched 424 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 4: Lindenberg play for Michigan. I'm like, that guy looks like 425 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 4: he is everything the NBA wants everything. 426 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,479 Speaker 9: That's exactly where I was going to go, is bro Is. 427 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 9: It is an interesting story too, because he was a 428 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 9: late bloomer and kind of not a whole lot of 429 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 9: direction when he was younger. How about this, he played 430 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 9: eleven varsity games in high school. Think about that for 431 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 9: a second. Eleven varsity games in high school. He's bounced around, 432 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 9: went to a ton of different schools, then had this 433 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 9: great season at UAB, and now he's probably making two 434 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 9: million a year in IL money for Michigan. He's the 435 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 9: best player in the final four, probably gonna end up 436 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 9: be if I had to guess your most outstanding player, 437 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 9: because I think Michigan's gonna win the thing. And if 438 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 9: they do, that means he's been great and he'll be 439 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 9: a lottery pick in the NBA. 440 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 7: So ain't that America. 441 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 9: I mean, good on him, Great on Dusty for the 442 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 9: way that he's made you know, I like a name 443 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 9: drop you see behind me the hoopstahe Q. We talked 444 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 9: to Andy Katz and I interviewed Dusty May this morning 445 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 9: for a hoopshe Q show. Nice and I asked Dusty 446 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 9: about see, as someone like me, I've studying leadership and 447 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 9: team building and team ethos and all of that, it's 448 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 9: such a fascinating time, like why did this roster work? 449 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 7: And that one didn't? You know? 450 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 9: And there's there's almost not always a great answer, and 451 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:01,880 Speaker 9: I Dusty's now two for two. 452 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 7: It's two years in a row. 453 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 9: He's basically had to turn over his entire roster, most 454 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 9: of it, and it's really really worked. And so I 455 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 9: asked him that question and he talked about like how 456 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 9: everybody shares the ball and getting everybody involved, and he said, 457 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 9: you know, we could call more plays for yoxall and 458 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 9: probably score more from yoxall, but we we intentionally design 459 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 9: our offense so everybody's involved and everybody scores and everybody 460 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 9: touches the ball. 461 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 7: So it really is like in. 462 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 9: Every second, everyday decision as far as making that go. 463 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 9: But the most important piece is that you're a great player. 464 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 9: Has to buy into that, and you can just tell 465 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 9: the body line. I don't know if you guys have 466 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 9: seen like the little post game things they do, like 467 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 9: Maurice Johnson stands behind them, like like the guard at 468 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 9: Buckingham Palace who's not allowed to smile, right, he does 469 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 9: that and towels and they just look like they're having 470 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 9: a good time and they really get winning, winning by 471 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 9: thirty in the fun, breaking breaking news. 472 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 4: I'm glad you said you think Michigan's gonna win it 473 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 4: because obviously they play Arizona. Stucatts and I were under 474 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 4: the impression that Arizona might be the greatest basketball team 475 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 4: that's ever played. But that's only because we've only seen 476 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 4: them play once, and that within the Sweet sixteen. 477 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 2: In fairness, it was the morning after the Sweet sixteen game, 478 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 2: and it's the first time both of us watched in 479 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 2: the entire season. 480 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 9: You mean you don't living, You're not immersed in this 481 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 9: sport twelve months a year, like the nerd that you're talking, Well, 482 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 9: you know, so what? But then I assume you watched 483 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 9: Michigan against Tennessee. 484 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, fair. 485 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 7: All to your opinion of the greatest teams in the 486 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 7: history of college basketball. 487 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 3: Michigan second place. 488 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know. 489 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 2: Oh still second, I think those two teams played ten 490 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 2: times each wins five. 491 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 1: How about that? 492 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 7: Uh yeah, that's that's that's fair. 493 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 9: Well, here's what I would say, and I'm somebody I 494 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 9: pick Arizona at the start of the tournament. 495 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,359 Speaker 7: You know, my second Kelvin Sampson reference. 496 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 9: Forgive me, but he's got this great expression I quote 497 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 9: a lot when he's talking about players. He'll say, you 498 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 9: know that kid, he can get to that top shelf 499 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 9: in the pantry. 500 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 7: You know. 501 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 9: And I feel like Michigan can get to a shelf 502 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,239 Speaker 9: in the pantry that the other three can't get to. 503 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 9: Like peak, Michigan is super scary. I was in San 504 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 9: Jose covering the West Regional, so I did see Arizona 505 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 9: in person twice. I saw them in person at the 506 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 9: beginning of the season when they played in Las Vegas. 507 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 9: And there's a lot to like there. I mean, they're 508 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 9: just so physically. The thing about Arizona is they physically 509 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 9: wear teams out. They crush you in the paint and 510 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 9: they crush you on the offensive glass. They're one of 511 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 9: those rare teams who actually shoots a pretty good percentage 512 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 9: from three. They have good three point shooters on their team. 513 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 9: But there's only two teams in the whole country that 514 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 9: this season shot three pointers at a lower rate than Arizona. 515 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 9: So a lot of times you see the opposite, like 516 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 9: you see a team that shoots a high volume of threes, 517 00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:00,160 Speaker 9: but maybe not a great percentage. So like Alabama, they're 518 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 9: gonna shoot their thirty five threes. If they go in, 519 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 9: they're gonna beat you. They don't go into Arizona wants 520 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 9: to really beat in the paint. 521 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 7: I don't think that's gonna work. With Michigan, they're so 522 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 7: big up front. 523 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 9: They got, you know, Ade Mara is seven foot three, 524 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 9: whereas Johnson is six foot. 525 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:15,679 Speaker 7: Ten and super strong. 526 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 9: And then you got Yoxel at the three, who is 527 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 9: a six nine and loves to play defense, loves the 528 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 9: challenge up so you figure he matches up with Coopete, 529 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:28,200 Speaker 9: it's gonna be it's gonna be great. 530 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 7: How about this final four? 531 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 9: Man? 532 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 7: I know so good? Yeah, And I know everyone's heartbroken about. 533 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 3: That, right I love it. 534 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 1: Well, we got Yukon, who cares, I mean. 535 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 3: Illinois my favorite? 536 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, settle for Yukon, yeah, and you know, and Illinois. 537 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 9: So it's it's a great, great, great, great final. College 538 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 9: basketball is very blessed with these fourteen. 539 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 2: It's been a great tournament. It's gonna be a great 540 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 2: final four. But Illinois is the team I feel badly for. 541 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:53,959 Speaker 2: We're not gonna talk about them. We're not gonna talk 542 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 2: about their coach. We're gonna talk about the other three schools. 543 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 2: Jay Billis told us last week there's a big difference 544 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 2: of being able to make it to the Final four 545 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 2: and winning a national championship. So I ask you this, 546 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 2: can Illinois win the national championship? 547 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 7: Well, they certainly can't, don't. 548 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 9: I mean, don't fool yourself, but they'll They're the least 549 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 9: likely two of the four. They're playing well though, you know, 550 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,880 Speaker 9: I mean, part of what happens is, you know what, 551 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 9: obviously you have to be good to get to a 552 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 9: final four or even a Sweet sixteen or second round 553 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 9: in the tournament. 554 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,359 Speaker 7: Like those teams aren't just good teams. 555 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 9: They're playing well, and oftentimes what happens like with Illinois, 556 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 9: like a lot of teams. 557 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 3: They went through some ups and downs because of injuries. 558 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 7: You know, they had a lot of. 559 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 9: Stuff going on in the preseason, Like Andrea Stojakovich basically 560 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 9: didn't have a summer. First time he practiced with the 561 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 9: team was like right before their first game. Takes him 562 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,479 Speaker 9: a while to get into it. Then they had some 563 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 9: guys shuffle in and out, and then Kylen Boswell injures 564 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 9: his hand and he's out for three weeks. So Keith 565 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 9: Woggler becomes a huge usage guy. He goes he scored 566 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 9: over forty one game and he was going nuts. Now 567 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,159 Speaker 9: Boswell comes back and you got to kind of go 568 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 9: through that again. So that's why they kind of lose games. 569 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 9: And people are like, well, they're not as good based 570 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 9: on their season, but there's reasons inside the season. 571 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 7: They're healthy. 572 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 9: Now I mean they beat I mean they to defend 573 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 9: Houston and match Houston's defensive toughness the way they did. 574 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 7: And then the same thing with Iowa. Now Iowa, you know, 575 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 7: they were playing well. 576 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 9: Physically physically matched up with Florida, which has the best 577 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 9: front court in the country, which was really not what 578 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 9: they had done over the season. 579 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,120 Speaker 7: So they were riding high. 580 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 9: So for Illinois to go through Houston and Iowa to 581 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 9: get to the final four, I mean they can win 582 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 9: this thing. But I would, I would, I would probably. 583 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 9: I might put them third ahead of Yukon. 584 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 7: I don't know. 585 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 9: That's close. That's close. Remember Yukon was down nineteen and 586 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 9: Yukon has has lost. 587 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 7: I mean Yukon. 588 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 9: Yukon two weeks ago lost by twenty to Saint John's. 589 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 2: I know, right, So second time they lost to Saint 590 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 2: John's too, right, Yeah, yeah. 591 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 9: I don't know how many how many picks I have 592 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 9: to get wrong before people stop as gonna do what 593 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 9: think's gonna win? 594 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:03,479 Speaker 7: I got I got three to I got three to go. 595 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's what march is all about. You know that? 596 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 7: Go ahead, Taylor. Final question, so. 597 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 8: What do you make of the Will Wade situation at 598 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 8: NC State in LSU because it feels like a lot 599 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 8: of NC State fans are surprised that Will Wade will 600 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 8: waded them. 601 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,479 Speaker 7: That's a phenomenal way you could use it. 602 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 9: Feel free, it's yours. Yes, So I have not fully 603 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 9: done the reporting on this. I will be frank and 604 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,719 Speaker 9: I haven't. I have not talked to Will about it 605 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,159 Speaker 9: based on the comments from buch Corrigan, who's I know 606 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 9: a long time dad was the longtime commission of the 607 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 9: a CEC. I have a very wide latitude for people 608 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 9: who need to do what's in their best interest, right, 609 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 9: Like you know, Ben McCollum was the head coach at 610 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 9: Drake for one year and got an opportunity to go 611 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 9: to Iowa and did that. 612 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 7: Brad Underwood's coaching final four. 613 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,160 Speaker 9: He was the head coach at Oklahoma State for one year, 614 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 9: left to go to Illinois. So I don't necessarily have 615 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 9: a problem with that. That's its business and they got 616 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,800 Speaker 9: to do its best. From everything that I've heard, Will 617 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 9: Wade was so deceptive about the situation, according to Buchorygan 618 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 9: again public comments. He went right to Will and said 619 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 9: is First of all, Will Wade was asked about this 620 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 9: at a press conference. I don't know if it was 621 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 9: after the ACC or after. 622 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,399 Speaker 7: The NCAA tournament. When it ended. 623 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,760 Speaker 9: A reporter said, there's some chatter about LSU and Will 624 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 9: Wade stabbed. He said, well, they have a coach there, right, 625 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 9: is it open? 626 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 3: Okay? 627 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 9: So he was very condescending to the reporter. And it 628 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 9: was a good question because the athletic director who hired 629 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 9: him at McNeese is now at LSU as like a 630 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 9: senior associate AD and there's someone in the administration same 631 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 9: thing coming from mcneiss. It was a good and the 632 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 9: fact that they were about to get rid of McMahon 633 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 9: was pretty well known. And so according to Buchor, again 634 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:58,479 Speaker 9: he goes to will Wade and is there something to this? 635 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 9: And will Wade swears to him there's no and they 636 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 9: try to have these conversations and Blue Corgan found out 637 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 9: about it from an email from will Waite's agent. If 638 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 9: you're not man enough to pick up the telephone and 639 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 9: call Bouk Corrigan and say, here's what's going on. Here's 640 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 9: what I'm doing. I know, I'm sorry you're disappointed, but 641 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 9: here's what I'm doing. Here's why to have that courtesy. 642 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 9: It's just bad. But that's you know again, I mean, 643 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 9: this is kind of who's been and he embraces the 644 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 9: whole villain black hat thing like, oh, I invented an il. 645 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:38,239 Speaker 7: Like so yeah, it's wrong, it's wrong to do it. 646 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 7: It's like when Lane Kiffin. 647 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 9: To leave a team an old myth that has a 648 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 9: chance that you're in the playoff like there's certain things 649 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 9: you just don't do, but those guys got to live 650 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 9: with it. 651 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 7: What can I tell you, Seth Davis, We appreciate the time. 652 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a great Final four. 653 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 7: I know it's a busy time for you. 654 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: Thank you for doing this, man. 655 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 7: I appreciate you guys enjoying the games. 656 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: All right, thank you, talk to you soon.