1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the best of The Doug Gottlieb 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: three to five Eastern twelve two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: Find your local station for The Doug Gottlieb Show at 5 00:00:12,080 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: Foxsports Radio dot com, or stream us live every day 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR Booming Up America 7 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. I hope you're having 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: a great day. Summer is here. It's a Friday. We 9 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: take nothing seriously on a Friday. Although although something big 10 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: happened last night in the world of sports. No, it 11 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: wasn't the Major League Baseball trade deadline, with the Twins 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: trading Ray essentially half of their roster. No, that wasn't it. No, 13 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: it wasn't Lebron James working out at what appeared to 14 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: be the Clippers facility. No, that's not it. No, it's 15 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: not even Micah Parsons and we'll get to him. And 16 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: you heard that update. It's not even Micah Parsons. No, 17 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: there was football on television last night. Charger football on 18 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 1: television last night. Jodyes Ol Charjosco has Gades on TV 19 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: last night, pretty pretty outstanding stuff. We got a lot 20 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 1: to get to. This is the Doug ott Leeb Show 21 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, I'll give you. I'm 22 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: gonna give you just a quick, really really really quick 23 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: thing on Trey Lance in fifteen minutes. Okay, Trey Lance 24 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: was outstanding last night. But it's really funny what happens 25 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: when a guy in a preseason game plays well and 26 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: we're like, oh, I hadn't thought of Trey Lance in 27 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: a long time. That's in fifteen minutes. In the meantime, 28 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: there's a report from Diana Rassini which is backed up 29 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: by Micah Parsons actually posting this himself that Micah Parsons 30 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: Cowboys relationship as the tiory to the point with a 31 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: star pass rusher is considering drastic measures, which include a 32 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: trade request or even a declaration that he is severing 33 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: his relationship with the team. For multiple sources familiar with 34 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: the situation, the two sides remain far apart heading into 35 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 1: the second week of training camp and are not currently negotiating. 36 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: Here's Michael Parsons in his own words. Ready, Okay, yes, 37 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: I wanted to be here. I did everything I could 38 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: to show I wanted to be a cowboy where the 39 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: star on the helmet. I wanted to play in front 40 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 1: of the best fans in sports and make this America's 41 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: team once again, the team I pops, and I grew 42 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 1: up cheering, cheering for way up in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. Unfortunately, 43 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: I no longer want to be here. I no longer 44 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: want to be held to closed door negotiations without my 45 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: agent present. I no longer want shots taken at me 46 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: for getting injured while laying it on the line for 47 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: the organization are fans and my teammates. I no longer 48 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: want narratives created and spread to the media about me. 49 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: By the way, this is last month. This is Jerry Jones, 50 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 1: the owner of the Team's a little bit what he 51 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: was talking about. This is Jerry Jones talking about Parsons. 52 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 2: Just because we've signed him doesn't mean we're going to 53 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: have him. He was hurt six games last year. Seriously, 54 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: we've signed I remember signing a player for the highest 55 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 2: paid it's a position in the league, and he got 56 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 2: knocked out two thirds of the year Dark Prescott. So 57 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 2: there's a lot of things you can think about, just 58 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 2: as the player does when you're thinking about committing and 59 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: guaranteeing money. 60 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: So look, it's a negotiation. Do you want to know 61 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: my level of freak out there? 62 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 3: It is. 63 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: And I'm not a Cowboy fan, but even the negotiations 64 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: is silly. The Cowboys have to do zero nothing, They 65 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: don't have to negotiate at all, and they can simply 66 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: franchise attack him for the next three years. Nothing he 67 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: can do about that. Now he'd be compensated at an 68 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: average of the top five salaries at his position in 69 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: the league. He would hamper the Cowboys ability to field 70 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: a really good defense or maybe even good offense because 71 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: it take ups such a large portion of their salary cap. 72 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: All those things are true. But between scrubbing whatever from 73 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: social media, whatever you want to call it, and like, well, 74 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: my agent wasn't present, Like if you wanted your agent there, 75 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 1: your agent could have been there. You know, this is 76 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: not like your Miranda rights. We're like, hey, you didn't 77 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: meet me and my random rights and I could I 78 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: could have a lawyer here, Like you can have an 79 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: agent there. You can have an agent there. And I'm 80 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: sure part of the discussion. We talked about this a lot. 81 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: We'll talk about it with Mark Dominic, the extended years, 82 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: all the language that includes non guaranteed stuff. That's more 83 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: for the agent than for the player. That's for the 84 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: agent to go say, look at what I got Micah 85 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: Parsons two and a eighty billion dollars, Like, yeah, there 86 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 1: was like one hundred and twenty guaranteed million. No, I 87 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: got two hundred eighty billion dollars for Michael Parsons non guarantee. 88 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: But that's because the NFL owners don't want to guarantee stuff, 89 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: Like come on, dude. The guess is that the agent 90 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: wanted just some obscene change the position, change all the 91 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: scale of the position. The team said, hey, Micah, we 92 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: were good here, you want to be here, Let's kind 93 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: of try and figure this thing out. It wasn't going 94 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: the way he thought. He reached back out to the 95 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 1: agent the angels like, wait, you were negotiating without me there, 96 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:41,200 Speaker 1: or out trade me right now. But from Russell Wilson 97 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 1: back when he's in Seattle to Tyreek Hill to like 98 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: you just kind of go through it all these guys, 99 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,160 Speaker 1: I'll do the same thing now. If the Cowboys want 100 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: to trade him, Mike, if somebody's gonna give him two 101 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: first round picks and they don't think they're a playoff team. 102 00:05:55,960 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: Then you trade Michael Parsons. No big deal. But Parsons 103 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: has gotten hurt. He does do his podcast, which can 104 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: cause him to be He says things that you don't 105 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: need to be saying in a public forum about his team, 106 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: about football, about whatever. And he's a star. But he 107 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: was better in the old system, not the news system. 108 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: So yeah, Jerry Jones says, every right to go, Like, 109 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: I got to be cautious about how much money I 110 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 1: give guaranteed because this guy got hurt last year. He's 111 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: going to get older, he plays really hard. Maybe he's 112 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: injury prone. I don't know. So I don't know how 113 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: you feel about it. But my feeling about it is, 114 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: Michael Parsons be a cowboy. He'll play for the Cowboys. 115 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: They'll acquiesce and give him some sort of new contract. 116 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 1: He'll claim victory, Cowboys will claim victory, and he'll play 117 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: the rest of his career for the Cowboys as long 118 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: as he's good. So he's not good, then they get 119 00:06:54,880 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: rid of him. How do I know that, because that's 120 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: what happens with all these guys. And oh yeah, by 121 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 1: the way, all the hissy fits, all the posts on 122 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: social media. It does feel like a lot more than 123 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: EMITTT Smith sitting a couple of games, or even Ezekiel 124 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 1: Elliott threatening. It's true, but part of that is that's 125 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: the generation, and that's who Micah Parsons is. You know, 126 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: he's tried to carve a path for himself off the 127 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: football field with his podcast and being a great interview 128 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: as well as a tremendous football player, and so because 129 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: of it, I think he thinks this is a normal 130 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: course of action. But this is no different than pick 131 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: any guy we want that end up signing a deal 132 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: to remain with their team when they're under contract for 133 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: their fifth year rookie option. And it sounds good, it 134 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: looks tough, but we all know we've watched the Cowboys 135 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: for years. Jerio Acquiesce, Jerio Gibb new contract, They'll pretend 136 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: like they're best friends and we move on. Do any 137 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 1: of you guys in the studio think think differently? I mean, 138 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: I just I can't see it going any differently than 139 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: that in any way that would go counter to most 140 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: everything we've seen from Jerry Jones during his tenure, especially 141 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: the last fifteen years or so during his during his tenure. 142 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: No chance. Yeah, we're gonna like let that guy walk, 143 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: or we're gonna trade him on his demands, nothings, no things. 144 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: I don't see it. I see this as negotiating tech. 145 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: This is no different than you're in a car dealership 146 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 1: and the last line of defense you have is to 147 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: walk out the door and hope they call you back. Yeah, 148 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,800 Speaker 1: I'm walking out of the door. Yeah, I'm walking out 149 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: of the door. You walk out of the door, like 150 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: and the cowboys they've seen these trade requests in the past. 151 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure they're not flinching. He's still give me ambother 152 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: cowboys unless somebody wants to make them some ridiculous offer, 153 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: and then they'll be like, hey, and that's really what 154 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: these things are. These things are really are really a 155 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: cry to the rest of the league. Hey, come trade 156 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: for me. The problem with trading for my comparisons is 157 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: you're going to trade for him, gonna take you at 158 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: least two first round picks to get him, and then 159 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: you have to give him the biggest contract anyone's ever 160 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: received at that position. Otherwise he doesn't want to go 161 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 1: there either. And you're in the same position. So we 162 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: do this thing as fans and as broadcasters where we 163 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: act like Jerry Jones should just write a blank check. Well, 164 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: there's a scale there. I have no doubt they want 165 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 1: to keep him. I have no doubt they want to 166 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: compensate him. But there's somewhere in between wanting to keep 167 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 1: him and a contract that unsettles the entire apple cart 168 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: and where the cowboys want to get to, and that's 169 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: where negotiations land. Thanks for listening to The Doug Gotleb 170 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: Show podcast. 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No 180 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: wrong answers unless you have a problem with Oreo cookie 181 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 1: or or or Reese's uh peanut butter cup. Then we 182 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: got we're gonna squab over Scu're gonna do you know, 183 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: we were at packer camp the other day and everybody's 184 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: raving about Matt Golden, their wide receiver that they draft 185 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 1: in the first round, first one they drafted in two 186 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: thousand and two in the first round, and you know, 187 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: you almost start to go like, yeah, there's kind of 188 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: a little bit more pressure on him to be good 189 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: right away, because heck, if we're gonna if you if 190 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: you're finally going to use a first round pack on 191 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: a wide receiver, he'd better be a good one, because 192 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: there's been a plenty of other ones that you're like, 193 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 1: they could have taken him, may have been good and 194 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: you didn't. Well, the Chicago Bears have used first round 195 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: picks before on quarterbacks, but because they haven't really had 196 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: in our lifetime a franchise quarterback, th youre like, that 197 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: guy's just stud. It stands the reason that calla Williams 198 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: going number one overall, there'll be a lot more attention 199 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 1: and maybe a lot more expectations of him. Then you 200 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: factor in some of his quirkiness when he was more 201 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: at USC than in Oklahoma and the story coming out 202 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,199 Speaker 1: that he preferred to be a Viking not a bear, 203 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: and you start to think, well, yeah, it's kind of 204 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: the same thing. They've drafted quarterbacks, but if you're going 205 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: to take one number one overall, he'd better be able 206 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: to ply, better be able to play. And it's still 207 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: very much up for discussion. How good is he? Uh. 208 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: This is Caleb Williams when he was asked about outside 209 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: noise and how much pressure he feels going into year two. 210 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 4: Pressure isn't uh. Pressure is not a thing for me. 211 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 4: I don't you know, think of life that way in 212 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 4: the situation that I'm in, and so, uh, you know, 213 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 4: we keep chugging along and you know there's gonna be 214 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 4: ups and downs, and it's not you know, it's not 215 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 4: my job to care about what the outside, you know, 216 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 4: noises and things like that. My job is take care 217 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 4: of everything in here and go out there and play, 218 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 4: you know. And I didn't you know, I uh, I 219 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 4: know we didn't win as many you know games as 220 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 4: we wanted to last year, but you know I didn't Uh, 221 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 4: I didn't go twenty and twenty in interceptions and things 222 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 4: like that. So you know, take it for what you 223 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 4: want but you know, pressure is uh privilege. Pressure is 224 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 4: a privilege. But you know, in the situation that I'm at, 225 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 4: I don't think I have pressure. 226 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 1: I'm gonna disagree there. I don't think anybody you have. 227 00:12:54,160 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: Ben Johnson's your head coach, and I mean he turned 228 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: earned what everyone thought was just a very average quarterback 229 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: into a franchise quarterback and a potential Super Bowl champion quarterback. 230 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: Granted he'd been in a Super Bowl before in Jared Goff, 231 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: but into a guy who you know, was that The 232 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: Rams thought they upgraded when they got Matt Stafford. I 233 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: think they did, but it doesn't appear to be that 234 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: much of an upgrade, right. Golf's been healthier and probably 235 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 1: been more consistent. Obviously, Stafford won them a super Bowl, 236 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: But Goff's been healthier and more consistent. And Ben Johnson 237 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: gets a lot and deserves a lot of that credit. 238 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:44,839 Speaker 1: Now he's got Kati Williams. It's his first team. 239 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 4: You have a. 240 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: Coach who is an offensive guru who didn't draft you. 241 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: There should be pressure there. I think there is pressure there. 242 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: And part of the idea of playing guys early and 243 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: playing guys in the rookie year is that you see 244 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: some of the evolution come much more quickly than before. 245 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: It wasn't like he had a bang up first year. 246 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: If it doesn't start great in his second year, there'll 247 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: be questions. Do I think there's, hey, we need to 248 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: draft another quarterback next year? No, But I also don't 249 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: think there have been enough moments that we go when 250 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: we get our guy. This is our guy for twenty years, 251 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: for twenty years. So that's where the pressure level is. 252 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: It could go really bad, it could go really well. 253 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: It probably lands in the middle, and we probably start 254 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: talking about real pressure next year. But I don't think 255 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: it's crazy to talk about there being some amount of 256 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: pressure on. I was gonna say Trey Lance on Caleb 257 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: Williams this year. And there's some similarities there with the 258 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: with what's happening with the Packers. Packers have visions of 259 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: grandeur of getting to a Super Bowl. Vikings have essentially 260 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: a rookie starting at quarterback. All right, the Lions, you 261 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: know offensive coordinator is now the head coach of the Bears, 262 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: and they lost some personnel as well. There's reasona believe 263 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: that the Bears, who turned over their offensive line change 264 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: some things look competitive at the end of the year 265 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: that this should be a year to take a big step. 266 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: If he's not able to take a big step with them, 267 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: there'll be questions. I don't think it's hey, we need 268 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 1: to get out of Kata Williams business, but not yet. 269 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: Remember this is a coach who did not draft the quarterback, 270 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: did not draft the quarterback, and when he was taking 271 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: number one overall, not only are the questions about where 272 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: he wanted to be drafted, but there were questions about 273 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: how he handled a losing when he was at usc 274 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: which is fair because he didn't handle it well. I though, 275 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: how much pressure do you think is Caleb Williams. 276 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 5: Center depends on his habits of being on social media. 277 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 5: I just think there's like this weird vortex with being 278 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 5: a Chicago Bears quarterback, and something you said really stuck 279 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 5: with me that they really have not had a premier 280 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 5: quarterback literally in our lifetimes. I mean, the closest you 281 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 5: could say is obviously Jim McMahon because they won a 282 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 5: Super Bowl with them, although the defense was the strength 283 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 5: of the team and Jim Harbaugh had a good run there. 284 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 5: But aside from that, I mean, who are the top 285 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 5: who's the top who's the top quarterback in the literally 286 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 5: history of the Chicago Bears. One doesn't leap to mind 287 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 5: you think of running backs of Walter Baiton and Gail Sayers, 288 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 5: But there seems to be some like vortex when it 289 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 5: comes to the Chicago Bear. 290 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 6: The guys who have had set, the guys whoa I 291 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 6: don't knowwhere else. 292 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: Just guess I would. Yes, they've all had that at 293 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: some point. 294 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 6: The guys who have had success being in Chicago, like 295 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 6: any amount of success. We'd be talking about Cutler a 296 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 6: little bit. And Rex Grossman and Rex Grossman, I remember, 297 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 6: he could have amazing games and they could have games 298 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 6: where he absolutely imploded, like if their offense was humming, 299 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 6: he was throwing a bunch of touchdowns, but when it 300 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:20,679 Speaker 6: started to go bad, it was just an implosion. 301 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 3: And then Cutler. 302 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 6: I don't really know even what to make of the 303 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 6: cut Like. 304 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: Everybody hated Jay Cutler. Don't mention it. No, I'm just saying, 305 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 1: and Rex Grossman and Rex Grosman, No, I'm telling you 306 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: in Chicago, like in Chicago. 307 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 6: I'm just talking about success though, not of how he's perceived. Okay, 308 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:38,919 Speaker 6: I don't I don't know he made it remember. 309 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: Rex Grossman took him to a Super Bowl and the 310 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: week of the Super Bowl, Lovey Smith was their head 311 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: coach at the time, had to come out and say 312 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: Rex Grosman is our quarterback. That actually happened. People are like, man, 313 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: you gotta pull Rex Grossman like he stinks. Like, hey, 314 00:17:56,160 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: Rex Grosman's our quarterback. So that's how how good Rex 315 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: Strossman is? You know cad m m McCown. Remember kid McCown, 316 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 1: he was the first round pick out of UCLA Lefty. 317 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: I mean you go back through that, You're like, oh my, 318 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 1: I totally forgot that was the Bears quarterback that year. 319 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 3: Didn't he come in for. 320 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 6: Jay Cutler when he was injured in the NFC Championship 321 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 6: game versus the Packers. I feel like that that might 322 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 6: have happened, could be wrong. 323 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:24,960 Speaker 1: Uh. 324 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 6: And then I also you think about Mitch Trubisky, who 325 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 6: was what second overall he was taking and and he 326 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:32,399 Speaker 6: a lot of people he made it the playoffs. A 327 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 6: lot of people feel like it could have worked with 328 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 6: who is his coach, mister Viiser. A lot of people 329 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 6: think that maybe it could have worked out if he 330 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 6: stuck around or if those two kept working together, but 331 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 6: he was shipped out of town. But that's the highest 332 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 6: pick that they've taken that probably didn't do. 333 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 5: Talking about Matt and Eggy. 334 00:18:51,040 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, Matt and Meggie. 335 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. 336 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 6: They made it the playoffs and uh and then it 337 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 6: just sort of wheels fell off. But a lot of 338 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 6: people were like, well, I don't know if uh, mister 339 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 6: Trubisky had enough time in Chicago to really prove or 340 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 6: disprove his pick. 341 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 5: That was the double joint game. If I'm not mistaken 342 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 5: right there, they're one trip to the playoffs. 343 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yep, yep, yeah, I can go ahead. 344 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 6: I was gonna say I think that Caleb Williams with 345 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 6: the change in coaching he's got Ben Johnson. If it 346 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 6: was the same coach two or three years in a row, 347 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 6: I feel like that pressure is going to bear down 348 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 6: on you. But when you have a new coach, you 349 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 6: have like you're allowed a little bit of grace to 350 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 6: kind of adjust to that. And if Ben Johnson really 351 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 6: does know what he's doing and talking about, then you 352 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 6: probably don't feel a ton of pressure like this is 353 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 6: going to work out because Ben Johnson is, you know, 354 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,399 Speaker 6: is gonna save us. So I think Caleb's probably, like 355 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 6: you know, I've got a new coach. I can there 356 00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 6: can be a little slippage, but I'm learning. 357 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: Yep. So do we think he's I do. I think 358 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 1: anybody is under pressure, because we expect anybody to be. 359 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: We're in a microwave society. But I also think you 360 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,400 Speaker 1: have a coach who people think is his quarterback guru, 361 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: and if you don't see distinct improvement, then there's going 362 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: to be a lot of whiskers of this might not 363 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: be the guy. I mean. The big thing with Kata 364 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 1: Williams is the ability to throw the ball downfield and 365 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 1: throw it accurately, not throw what's called hospital balls. You 366 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 1: know what hospital ball is. 367 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:26,640 Speaker 5: Right, I've never heard that term before until today. Oh 368 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 5: really no yet? 369 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: Do tell uh Sam, do you know what a hospital 370 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: ball is? 371 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 3: Sounds like something that will be uncomfortable, but all right, 372 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 3: I do not. I think DeVante Adams refer to the 373 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 3: hospital balls that Garoppolo used to throw it them all 374 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 3: the time. 375 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 5: Oh is it when you throw your receivers so they 376 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 5: get smashed by a linebacker. 377 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, they float It floats on you, floats it. It doesn't 378 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 1: have that doesn't doesn't have the perfect amount of zip 379 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: and it allows guys to just tee off on you 380 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: hospital ball. 381 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 3: They get a little running start yep, and it starts. 382 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: They start, they start salivating, They start salivating. Thanks for 383 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: listening to The Doug Gottleb Show podcast. Be sure to 384 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday three to five Eastern twelve 385 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: two Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 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I think we discussed it on the show, 389 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: but it's funny a lot of other people came around 390 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 1: to it, which is, how many people do you think 391 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: knew that Trey Lance was on the Chargers before last night? 392 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 1: Chase ste what like percentage of people you think? 393 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 3: Let's see seventeen and a half. 394 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,880 Speaker 1: There you go, good, guess that's all you's your guests. 395 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: I know when you were trying to guess what people 396 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: think and know and we have no real real clue. 397 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: I get it. 398 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 3: It's my favorite part of the show. 399 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 1: It's your favorite part of the show. 400 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 7: I know. 401 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 6: I'm gonna say eight percent, Doug, eight percent of the 402 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 6: general public knew that Trey Lance had gone to the 403 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 6: Chargers eight percent. 404 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:01,360 Speaker 1: Well, I think people forgot that he's been with the Cowboys, right, 405 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 1: just again, like, go back and look at last season. 406 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: Go back and look at last season, and Cooper Rush 407 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: took over, Trey Lance was the third string quarterback and 408 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: he got to play in one He got to play 409 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: major STAPs in one game, the last game of the season. Anyway, 410 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: here's Jim Harball's head coach with the Chargers, talking about 411 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: his performance last night, which was really good. Trey Lance. 412 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 7: Uh, you know, big night for Trey. Just played calm, 413 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 7: played cool, collected, ran the ran the operation. Thought he 414 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 7: threw the ball really well. I thought he really he 415 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 7: had the same kind of composure and poise, you know, 416 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 7: just in control. I mean, it's a there's a presence 417 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 7: that that I've been seeing all camp. He's had a 418 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 7: heck of a camp. And then he went out in 419 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 7: the game and and did that. Just a feeling of 420 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 7: he needs game reps and just wanted to give him 421 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 7: that was the game the game plan, you know, get 422 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 7: out there and plays. He's been playing good and you know, 423 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 7: college not as not as much as most guys have 424 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,479 Speaker 7: coming out of college. In terms of starts and games. 425 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 7: And then uh, then he gets gets into pro ball 426 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 7: and you know, wins the starting job and then gets hurt. 427 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 7: So he hasn't had a lot of a lot of 428 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 7: game experience and that's what we're trying to give him. 429 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 7: And he acquitted himself. 430 00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: Well, I need a guess here, Jason. He's been in 431 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: the league since twenty twenty one. Okay, it's too And 432 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: remember he was the third pick in the draft. How 433 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: many NFL games do you think he's appeared in? 434 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 3: Don't look, I know that he did. He appeared in 435 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 3: one game. I remember that one he got hurt against 436 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 3: the Bears. 437 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: Right back way. It's just San Francisco, I. 438 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 3: Think, so, yeah, there was a snow game. 439 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: Just he was a starter. He was a starter for 440 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: AER for a short period of time in San Francisco. Okay, 441 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: so you want you want to enture guess how many games? 442 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: Remember we're talking five years in the NFL. How many 443 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 1: of you thinks he's played it. 444 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,200 Speaker 3: I'll guess five, twelve. 445 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know if it starts. Twelve appearances in 446 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: the Nation Football League, and it's probably like in the 447 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:17,239 Speaker 1: seven starts. And if you remember his senior year in 448 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: college or his last year in college at North Dakota State. 449 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: I believe they played like one game. That's it. So 450 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: twelve appearances I starts. So what Jim Harbaugh is saying 451 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: isn't wrong. Remember, and Taylor Heineke is the other guy 452 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: he's competing with to be a backup in Taylor Henekey 453 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 1: has led the where they the commanders then I think 454 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: the commanders to the playoffs. Right. He's also been the 455 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: starting quarterback for the Carolina Panthers, so like, we know 456 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: what we can do, what he can do. But it's 457 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: really weird that people are like, dude, Kyle Shanahan, what's 458 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: he doing right Jim Harbaugh's quarterback, which were like, he's 459 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: played five years in the NFL. He started five games. 460 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: There's very few teams, if any, that will start a 461 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: quarterback week one of the preseason that has started five 462 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: games in the NFL that's been in the league in 463 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: his sixth year. Doesn't happen very rarely. So he's supposed 464 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: to perform well, he's supposed to be came. They're not 465 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: throwing exotic blitz is at him, and he has worked 466 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: really hard to improve his throwing mechanics because by all 467 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: estimation didn't throw a great ball. But like I just 468 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,440 Speaker 1: I can't get geeked out, like, oh my gosh, Chargers 469 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 1: got a great backup if Trey Lance becomes the answer. 470 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: Chargers got me to problems. Cowboys last year locked at 471 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 1: lost Dak Prescott, there wasn't anybody going like, you know, 472 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: we should really go to Trey Lance here. 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Twelve eleven and 490 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 8: extra innings against the Reds and the craziest game we 491 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:43,719 Speaker 8: have seen this season. 492 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, twelve eleven combined for thirty hits. Braves are forty 493 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: six and sixty two, so weird. So we'll get back 494 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: to what happened to the Braves. There's another sports frame 495 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 1: and chats and were like h burgeoning dynasty at Bergend. 496 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: All right, Mark Dominic joins us here for weekly visiting 497 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 1: the Doug Outlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio Coourse. Mark 498 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: was the former gentlem manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. 499 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: He worked his whole life in professional football, so I 500 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 1: love this one. I don't know if you saw the 501 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: addition to the Micah Parsons saying I want to be traded. 502 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 1: So Michael Parsons came out. It was about an hour ago, 503 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: guys on social media, I don't want to be here anymore. 504 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 1: I want be traded. And then Edwarder, who always has 505 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 1: more and has covered the Cowboys for years, like Michaeh 506 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: Parsons is staying at Cowboys camp because he doesn't want 507 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: to incur a fifty thousand dollars fine, like, yeah, I 508 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: cannot stand being here. I'm out, but I'm not going 509 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: to leave because I don't want to lose fifty grand 510 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: a day. So, yeah, help me help me with this 511 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: mark likelihood that Micah Parsons remains a Cowboy. 512 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 9: I still think it's pretty strong. You know a lot 513 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 9: of times we've heard this one before, like, I've always 514 00:27:58,359 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 9: wanted to be here, but it's just not going to 515 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 9: work out. And then Miles Garrett told us this story, right, 516 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 9: what was six months ago? 517 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, he had the good bye letter. He had the 518 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: goodbye letter even that that was posted. 519 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,679 Speaker 9: It's right, So we've seen this song and dance before. 520 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 9: Not that I'm disappointed in Michael Parsons or having but 521 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 9: you know, obviously, if you read the article of what 522 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 9: Michael Parsons re wrote and you kind of have to 523 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 9: trust that maybe he's telling the truth. What could have 524 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 9: felt like it It just there hasn't been a lot 525 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 9: of good faith negotiations that were with his agent, and 526 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 9: you can have conversations with the player, but you know, 527 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 9: every club kind of knows that that's a little taboo, 528 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 9: and it doesn't even matter what the player really says, 529 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 9: because at the end of the day, you know, the 530 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 9: agent's getting paid for a reason to be able to 531 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 9: help negotiate it. So, look, I look at this whole 532 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,959 Speaker 9: thing and say, it makes sense. I get it. I 533 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 9: don't think the Cowboys will trade him, and I don't 534 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 9: think that. I think this is going to be a 535 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 9: two to week, two week, three week thing, and I 536 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 9: have a feeling that Michael Parsons will suddenly have money 537 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 9: solve the problems. 538 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, here's my guess on the agent thing, just to guess, right, 539 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: we kind of talked about the agents were the ones 540 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: that pushed for the lung guaranteed deals, but the agent's 541 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: the ones that have the non guaranteed things tacked in 542 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: because it helps them quote unquote win right in publicity. Yeah, 543 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: it feels like the agent was just trying to bleed 544 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: the Cowboys and they probably pulled them aside like look, dude, 545 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: like that that deal is never getting done. Ever, here's 546 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: a real deal. You think about it and how it 547 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: Then he calls his agents like, yeah, they told me 548 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: your way up. Here's the number and the agent just 549 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: hits the roof. 550 00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 9: Yeah, you know what, I think there's a lot of 551 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 9: truth to that. I also think that it's the same 552 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 9: thing that's happened with Trey Hendrickson. Is the market moved 553 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 9: so fast this year on defensive line and these elite 554 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 9: pass rushers, and so the agent, if the story is true, 555 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 9: the agent was right, you know, just let's just wait, 556 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:48,959 Speaker 9: let's let some deals come through here, and then then 557 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 9: we'll come in and swoop in at the end and 558 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 9: get our number. The only thing I really think is 559 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 9: happening here is again, if there hasn't been any negotiations. 560 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 9: It's hard to say, but I think, you know, I 561 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 9: thought that maybe Michaels was pushing for a huge numb 562 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 9: a number that's going to blow everybody else out of 563 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 9: the water, and I thought that might be stilling the negotiations. 564 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,720 Speaker 9: The market always moves. It used to be trying to 565 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 9: get a discount from a player if you did the 566 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 9: deal early. Now it's like you're getting the discount because 567 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 9: you know the market's going to continue to go up. 568 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 9: At least you're get into the discounts. It's hard to 569 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 9: doug when you kind of listen to these things, because 570 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 9: you know, three years from now, everyone of these guys 571 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 9: are signing out pro, We're going to be like, well, 572 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 9: wait a second, look what he's making. And so you've 573 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 9: got to figure out the organization, how do you want 574 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 9: to handle it, and how does the player respect the 575 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 9: deal When you're starting to take these kind of numbers 576 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 9: and putting them in reality. Of forty million dollars a year, 577 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 9: I mean, that's that's just a hard number to fathom. 578 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 9: But that's where we're at. 579 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: Stug Out Leave Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, 580 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: what about the Cowboys as a team, right there is 581 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: the there is the in the back of your mind like, well, 582 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: if I can be in a good and maybe we 583 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 1: move him. But again, the Cowboys are always trying to 584 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: make themselves at least above average, if not better. Where 585 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: are you on this Cowboy roster? 586 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 9: I still think they're very competitive. I think you know, 587 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 9: the Commanders obviously were spectacular last year, and so obviously 588 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 9: Eagles were champions. And so when you look at this division, 589 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 9: you know, the Giants team like a long ways away 590 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 9: and then those other three teams, so like the Gamer 591 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 9: a game or two apart. Totally, I still think the 592 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 9: Cowboys rosters certainly counted enough depend on the help of 593 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 9: how things go. You know, this has been interesting for 594 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 9: me though Michael Parsons is a player that you know, 595 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 9: you thought might get have done earlier than it's gotten 596 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 9: to this point. It tells me also that maybe there's 597 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 9: something that Cowboys feel about Micah, whatever that is or 598 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 9: whatever they may feel, it's just this one's taking a 599 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 9: little bit longer. Usually the Cowboys like to get you 600 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 9: to camp and then negotiate and do the deal. That's 601 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 9: how their mo is usually known through the agent world. 602 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 9: But this one's just not worked out that way. So 603 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 9: there's something else holding the Cowboys back from really pulling 604 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 9: the trigger. And that may be something we never get 605 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 9: to hear about until if he does leave. But again, 606 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 9: I think Michaeh Parsons in the end the stage of. 607 00:31:54,560 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 1: Cowboys Steut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio, Trey 608 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: Lance looks good last night, But I try to tell 609 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: people now many people don't know who's on the Chargers, 610 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: Like he was on the Cowboys last year and their 611 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: starting quarterback went down and no one was like, hey, 612 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: we got to play Trey Lance. How do we process 613 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: what we saw last night and the reality of who 614 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: Trey Lance actually is. 615 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 4: No. 616 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 9: I mean some of the throws were really great designs. 617 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 9: To me, more than was great throws, right, it was 618 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 9: you know, rolling out and play actions and just different 619 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 9: things that allowed him to just kind of flip and 620 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 9: toss the ball. Yes, he had some good throws, you know. 621 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 9: And I love collins Worth. I certainly loved watching Bretton 622 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 9: Musburger just to be able to kind of reminisce in 623 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 9: my mind about just Brent Musburg in three years. But 624 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 9: it was like it was almost overwhelm done about Trey 625 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 9: Lance to me last night, because this is a guy that, 626 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 9: to your point, third pick, great, he's having a nice 627 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 9: Hall of Fame game. Let's get back to where this 628 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 9: guy really is going to be in a couple of weeks. 629 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 9: To me, when I watched the Hall of Fame game, yes, 630 00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 9: I'm looking for young guys to have their shot, you know, 631 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 9: the first year guys, undrafted guys, you're really looking at that. 632 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 9: The other thing is the gym you're for, which is 633 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 9: why the Chargers dominated because they played a much cleaner game, right, Doug. 634 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 9: I mean, no interceptions, They had the fumble, but they 635 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,959 Speaker 9: didn't lose it. They only had three penalties. I mean, 636 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 9: the Chargers fundamentally just played a much cleaner game, and 637 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 9: that to me is more important than the Trey Lance 638 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 9: having a nice out in for a preseason game. 639 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard this, but John Harbaugh 640 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 1: was absolutely effuse in his praise of Lamar Jackson, right, 641 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: And Lamar Jackson not just as a quarterback, but Lamar 642 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: Jackson as a as a passer. And I get if 643 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: you look at the raw numbers from last year, you 644 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: could you could agree with, but then you look at 645 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: the playoff numbers and you know it's like eight games 646 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,680 Speaker 1: seventeen hundred yards, which again, like if you're going to 647 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: you know, go to a sixteen seventeen games, It's far 648 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: below his normal production or his normal efficiency in the 649 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: regular season. So I guess my question is where does 650 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 1: the truth lie with Lamar Jackson and how the league 651 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: used him as a passer. 652 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I think Lamar has really done a 653 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 9: good job of growing into his best self. And I 654 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,800 Speaker 9: think that the Ravens know who they are. They like 655 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 9: to take shots down the field, they like to push 656 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 9: the ball down the field with the tight ends get 657 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 9: those A Jones as a fast receivers and now they 658 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 9: can run the ball or Lamar can run the ball, 659 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 9: and they just know how to build an offense and 660 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 9: they know what weapons they need in different spots to 661 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 9: be able to be that kind of an offense where 662 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 9: it doesn't have to be. It could be Lamar's legs, 663 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 9: it could be Dereck Henry's legs, it can be Lamar's arm, 664 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 9: it could be you know, vertical pass. If I think 665 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 9: about Lamar that he can hit the deep ball, and 666 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 9: that's so critical because that kind of it would ruin 667 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 9: everything if he couldn't do that, because defense would be like, 668 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 9: I'm just gonna take my chance and let's go get him. 669 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 9: And so I think Lamar is, you know, one of 670 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 9: the elite quarterbacks in the league. He's easily top ten. 671 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 9: He's a guy that I think maybe they rain him 672 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 9: down a little bit in the postseason because I think 673 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 9: when they especially this last year, you know, I think 674 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,320 Speaker 9: they were hoping that Derek Henry would just kind of 675 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 9: roll through this thing in defenses. All you're trying to 676 00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 9: do is kind of calm him down. But I still 677 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,439 Speaker 9: think Jackson is an elite quarterback. In the nation FOOTBA League, 678 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 9: and I think he can win a Super Bowl with him? 679 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:07,320 Speaker 1: Is this the year. 680 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 9: I really kind of think of this. I mean, I 681 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 9: really feel like this is the year Kansas City does 682 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 9: not go to the Super Bowl. I really feel like 683 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 9: it is between Buffalo and Baltimore. Those two teams, to me, 684 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 9: are a level apart from everybody else. I do think 685 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 9: this Chargers team is going to be better than people. 686 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 9: You know, I think people expect the Charges to be good, 687 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,240 Speaker 9: but I think they're going to be a much improved 688 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,359 Speaker 9: team again this year. But it feels like if Derrick 689 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,640 Speaker 9: Henry stays healthy, I can't I would be very comfortable 690 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 9: saying that Baltimore Ravens could be Super Bowl champions. 691 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: M Mark Dominic, Colin, colin, his colin, his shot. Okay, 692 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,839 Speaker 1: let's we were at Yeah, we were at Packers camp 693 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 1: earlier this week, and there's a lot of hope there 694 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: and and so far. Matthew Goldens like, well, if you're 695 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,319 Speaker 1: gonna drave the wide receiver, that's a pretty good one 696 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: to draft, right. I look at that division, it's interesting. 697 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 1: Have been the top of it, but new coordinators, some 698 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: new pieces there, maybe a step back. I don't know 699 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: what your thoughts are. Vikings, third new quarterback in three years, 700 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: this one inexperienced and the Bears should be better. But 701 00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: again first time head coach, and we still haven't seen 702 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 1: it from Caleb Williams. I think it's a great opportunity 703 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: for the Packers, but I don't know where you are. 704 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on what's the right you know, 705 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,400 Speaker 1: they start talking about Super Bowl or at least hosting 706 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:31,320 Speaker 1: home playoff games, what's a reasonable outlook for that team? 707 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 9: Yeah, I think that is. I think that can they 708 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 9: close the gap or can they up their game? I 709 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 9: guess is more you know to catch Detroit lines and 710 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 9: where they are, and I say they can. You know, 711 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 9: talk about continuity. They're the team that have the most continuity, 712 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 9: and that's the biggest thing you can ask for. You know, 713 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 9: you've got a bunch of players that know each other. 714 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 9: The offensive line that's intact has got some depth to 715 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 9: it too. Certainly, a wide receiver room is good. You know, 716 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 9: we talked about it before, the Muskrat being back where 717 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 9: he wasn't an impact player just because of injuries last year, 718 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,760 Speaker 9: and now you're going to have him at Tucker Craft 719 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,399 Speaker 9: and I like Jordan Love and then I also love 720 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,279 Speaker 9: you know, coach athlete is the defensive coordinator on the 721 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 9: other side, and him having another year of just the 722 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 9: same system, the same you know, desires of what we 723 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 9: want the players to do, and they're they're not learning 724 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 9: a new system, they're just getting better at that system. 725 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 9: So I really do like the Green Bay Packers. I 726 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 9: think that they can get to twelve. Thirteen is going 727 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,520 Speaker 9: to be hard, just because I think the division in 728 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 9: the NFC and looking at the schedule, but I think 729 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 9: twelve can win that division. As much as you know, 730 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 9: as good as Detroit was last year, I think it's 731 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 9: gonna be a lot more of that traditional black and 732 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 9: blue division where it's going to be a lot tougher. 733 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 9: But the Minnesota is the one I'm not And I 734 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 9: like JJ McCarthy. I hope he's everything I think he is, 735 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 9: But I feel like Minnesota is going to be hovering 736 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,359 Speaker 9: right around five hundred this year, so I don't feel 737 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 9: like they're going to be quite the same push where 738 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 9: that's where I think the Packers will make up some ground. 739 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: You know, I heard Baker was on a podcast, and 740 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 1: Baker talked about how Tampa just lets him be him, right, 741 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: He doesn't have to be a quote unquote franchise quarterback 742 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: in terms of persona, how he dresses and how he acts. 743 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 1: Is that fair? Is that why Tampa's been able to 744 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 1: be a place that he's more successful. 745 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 9: Yeah, and I think that, you know, it's Jason Light's 746 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,360 Speaker 9: done a really good job of, you know, surrounding Baker 747 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,279 Speaker 9: with some nice talent. You know, Bucky Irvin came in 748 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 9: there last year. He looked phenomenal in terms of his role. 749 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 9: For Shod White is a really good running back too, 750 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 9: So they got a one two punch there. When you've 751 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 9: got Godwin and Mike Evans, you're feeling pretty good about that. 752 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 9: And you know you've got a good tight indrum. You know, 753 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 9: guys that maybe aren't household names, but certainly are good players, 754 00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 9: and you just break them down by tape and so 755 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 9: all those pieces come together and says, well, you know, 756 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,040 Speaker 9: you surrounded them with stable pieces that are consistent. Players 757 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 9: that catch the ball, especially the running backs catch the 758 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 9: ball so well out of the backfield. All those are 759 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,120 Speaker 9: part of like, well, yeah, I can understand that. But 760 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 9: you know, but when you talk to the players and 761 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 9: you talk to They see Baker as a leader, and 762 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,680 Speaker 9: so he's doing it. It may not be to have 763 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 9: to be the robro guy, but he's certainly doing the 764 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 9: work to make them follow. 765 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,839 Speaker 1: Mark. Awesome stuff. Once you have a great weekend. Next 766 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: week we got everybody playing preseason games, so it gets real. 767 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 1: Enjoy that weekend. We'll talk to you soon. 768 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,080 Speaker 9: Happy Hoguest. Thanks all right. 769 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 1: That's Mark Dominic, who spent over twenty years in NFL 770 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,640 Speaker 1: front offices and scoutings. Former general manager of the tamp 771 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:13,280 Speaker 1: Bay Buccaneers.