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Speaker 1: of the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. The thoughts and opinions

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Speaker 1: matter and your needs. Hi. I'm Sandra Champlain. For almost

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Speaker 1: the existence of life after death. On each episode, will

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Speaker 1: discuss the reasons we now know that our loved ones

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Speaker 1: have survived physical death and so will we well them

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Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife. Every so often we meet

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Speaker 1: someone who totally turns our life upside down and introduces

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Speaker 1: us to something that we couldn't even consider as possible. Today,

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Speaker 1: we're talking to Rochelle Right, and she has been a

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Speaker 1: creator of the Repair and Reattachment grief therapy method, which

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Speaker 1: literally means that her and her trained psychotherapists, which there

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Speaker 1: are currently about a hundred in the world, will work

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Speaker 1: in the afterlife. And with this, when you really believe

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Speaker 1: your loved one is still alive, it greatly reduces the

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Speaker 1: I do recommend you check out Repair and Reattachment dot com.

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Speaker 1: Rochelle right, welcome my friend to Shades of the Afterlife. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much, Andrew, and thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. It's my pleasure. And Rochelle, what you're

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Speaker 1: different because, um, it's very different what I do and

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Speaker 1: so they're getting it directly, Sandra, which is very different. No,

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Speaker 1: it's very different. Could you tell us just a little

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Speaker 1: it something that just naturally happened when you were working

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Speaker 1: I think about fifteen years ago I started dreaming about

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Speaker 1: of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain and we are here

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Speaker 1: with Rochelle Wright, who is a creator and founder of

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Speaker 1: the Repair and Reattachment Grief Therapy, and she has the

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Speaker 1: book with the same title. So, Rochelle, if we could,

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Speaker 1: I'd love to find out about the book. And it

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Speaker 1: sure sounds like you have some good stories in it,

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Speaker 1: very exciting stories in there. Actually I started writing and

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Speaker 1: when all that started happening, And so there's twenty six

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Speaker 1: stories of people that I saw and what happened, you know,

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Speaker 1: what what came up. And I'm just got the book

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Speaker 1: right here. I'll just read you just a little bit

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Speaker 1: about what the main point and what they got. The

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Speaker 1: one this when she was a regular client of mine

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Speaker 1: and her husband was killed in an auto accident late

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Speaker 1: at night, and finally she decided to do this with me,

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Speaker 1: and what she got was, I will be there for you,

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Speaker 1: but only in a different way. And the other lady

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Speaker 1: I spoke about, whose daughter was in the auto accident,

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Speaker 1: came from New York. What I have for her is

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Speaker 1: um In the book it says it was her. I

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Speaker 1: know it was her. So that kind of answered some

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Speaker 1: questions too. I think you had how do they know

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Speaker 1: or what? She said it was her? I know it

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Speaker 1: was her. And she hugged her and kissed her and

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Speaker 1: was able to stroke her long hair. That's beautiful. That's

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Speaker 1: the one. And this other one who did her father.

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Speaker 1: She was a regular client for quite some time. We

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Speaker 1: did a session and then she came back the next

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Speaker 1: week and she'd had a dream and I said, you know,

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Speaker 1: here's anything come up, and she said, well, I had

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Speaker 1: to dream, but it was nothing. And I said, well,

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Speaker 1: tell me about the dream. So she did, and I said, well, okay,

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Speaker 1: close your eyes, let's just try something. Close your eyes,

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Speaker 1: go back inside, and you know, just bring up your

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Speaker 1: dad how it was in the dream. So I set

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Speaker 1: the scene of the dream that she told me about

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he just started talking to her

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Speaker 1: and helping her, and he so her line in here,

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Speaker 1: just in the contents table. Contents is Dad's teaching me

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Speaker 1: right now about what I am doing as an adult.

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Speaker 1: And he actually told her she was in her sixties.

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Speaker 1: He said, um, the reason you've been taking them in

489
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Speaker 1: you have just because they were like me, they were unavailable.

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Speaker 1: They were unavailable for you. Oh, they get so much stuff.

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Speaker 1: It gives me chills now to think about it, because

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Speaker 1: I get to be right in there with it. Sandra,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and I rishall I think of times that

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Speaker 1: I've got on a little hypnotic journey, and of course

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Speaker 1: I could picture somebody sitting in a park bench next

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Speaker 1: to me and it feels very real. But I've never

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Speaker 1: been able to jump up and hug somebody, touched someone's hair,

498
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Speaker 1: had communication coming from them. So I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: clear to me, and I know it is to to

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Speaker 1: your clients that this is the real deal. These people

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Speaker 1: are really coming to Well, it it is, it's and

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Speaker 1: it's it's very exciting. I did this therapist in the

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Speaker 1: beginning and he just he said, well, I never I

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Speaker 1: don't have any issues with my mom I'm not sad

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Speaker 1: about her passing and all, I'm fine with everything. But

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Speaker 1: I said, well, I want to practice on you. So

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Speaker 1: he came over, and what he said he really didn't

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Speaker 1: expect to get much because they didn't have any kind

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Speaker 1: of difficult relationship, but what he got from her was amazing.

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Speaker 1: She said to him, what's hard for you to understand, Gary,

511
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Speaker 1: there isn't a separation between life and death. And he said,

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Speaker 1: that is what she said to me, what's hard for

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Speaker 1: me to understand is that there isn't a separation between

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Speaker 1: life and death. Yes. Wow, he's like really taken back

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Speaker 1: and I yes, and another person, I see, these are

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Speaker 1: only in the beginning centers. This is in two thousand ten.

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Speaker 1: Well see, these were regular clients of mind a lot

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Speaker 1: of me in the beginning, and this was a regular

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Speaker 1: client of mine. She must have been around thirty eight

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Speaker 1: years old and her grandmother. On Mother's Day, they were

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Speaker 1: going to her house with her mother and an aunt

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Speaker 1: and several ladies to take the grandma out for Mother's

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Speaker 1: Day lunch. And what happened is they got to the

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Speaker 1: scene and there was crime tape all around, and the

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Speaker 1: grandma was missing and was missing for a month and

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Speaker 1: they found her later about I'm not sure how much longer,

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Speaker 1: but they found her, I don't know, in a field

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Speaker 1: in an air base somewhere, you know, they found her

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Speaker 1: body and they said that yeah, or they found the

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Speaker 1: remains of her or something. So she did her and

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Speaker 1: she is in the book and it was just like

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Speaker 1: amazed because it's the first one of the first ones.

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Speaker 1: I did you know, I said, it's going to be

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Speaker 1: like five hours went on and the krandma went on

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Speaker 1: and on and on, and the bottom line is she said,

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Speaker 1: loved yourself with a vengeance. Do not live your life

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Speaker 1: and fear. I will always be behind the light and

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Speaker 1: with you. And she gave her so much information how

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Speaker 1: to live her life now, so amazing. And she also

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Speaker 1: said she knew where she was going. She said, I

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Speaker 1: wasn't afraid when I was in the back, locked in

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Speaker 1: the back of the trunk of a car. I knew.

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Speaker 1: And it just it was so amazing, Sandra. So I

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Speaker 1: don't really do those kinds very much. I don't encourage it.

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Speaker 1: She told her something like, there are two things you

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Speaker 1: need to understand. One, I am a metaphor for your

547
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Speaker 1: life the big black hole, and the trunk of the

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Speaker 1: car that I was in. I said, for me, but

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Speaker 1: Grandma just continued, that's how you have been living your life.

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Speaker 1: The black hole was too late for me. It's not

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Speaker 1: too late for you. You need to get out of it.

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00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: And then Grandma said, to love yourself with a vengeance.

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Speaker 1: Do not live your life in fear. I will always

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Speaker 1: be behind the light. Okay, she said, we lease the

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Speaker 1: fear of the pain and anxiety. It's time. It's time

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Speaker 1: to release your fear, your pain, and your anxiety. Release it.

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Speaker 1: We are all behind the light. The light is on

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Speaker 1: your path. All you need to do is follow it.

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Speaker 1: We are here with you by your side as you

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Speaker 1: go down your path. We can't do it for you,

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Speaker 1: but you will do it. It's all about getting out

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Speaker 1: of the black hole the you are in and letting

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Speaker 1: go of the past. Fear will not dictate your anxiety.

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Speaker 1: Your passions will live passionately, be happy. That is the

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Speaker 1: definition of its success. Fear not. I will always be

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Speaker 1: behind the light. Um. And she went on and on

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Speaker 1: and on and helped her, you know, I mean. And

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Speaker 1: so that day I was, you know, this is when

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Speaker 1: I first started doing it, and I was just like

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Speaker 1: we both were getting tired after it must have been

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Speaker 1: five hours, and I said, we'll ask her, is it

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Speaker 1: okay if we stop and come back tomorrow, the only

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Speaker 1: one only when I've ever done that with Sandra. And

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Speaker 1: she said yes, but you be back here tomorrow because

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Speaker 1: I have a lot more to say to you. Incredible

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Speaker 1: times going by fast in our interview here. So I

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Speaker 1: just a couple more questions. Craig says, there's success rate

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Speaker 1: with this, yes, there is as long but therapists our

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Speaker 1: fall in the protocol and doing it like I trained

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Speaker 1: them to do it. Yes, and that's about what I have.

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Speaker 1: It is amazing. Do I have a moment to you

582
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Speaker 1: can do an email? Sure, we have at least ten

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Speaker 1: minutes left, but I just wanted to make sure we

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Speaker 1: will just keep talking. Go ahead. I'm loving listening to you.

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Speaker 1: Are They do get the connections, and you know it's

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Speaker 1: not me. That's what's really wonderful. I mean, I'm just

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00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: a cool I can't do it in this whole process.

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Speaker 1: So I actually tell myself, you know, I don't have

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Speaker 1: to worry about what to say or to do because

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Speaker 1: you who's help me, will direct to me. I mean

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00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: that struck me from the course of miracles. But I

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00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: say that a lot of times, and um, you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of to myself. So I'm never anxious about what

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Speaker 1: they're going to get because it's not me. That's the

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00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: exciting part for me, And that you can teach people

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00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: this protocol is fantastic. I can't love it. Email I

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00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: got an email. This psychologist came from Salem, Oregon. She

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00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: had lost her husband, who was also a psychologist, and

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Speaker 1: he taught philosophy at the university down there and so forth.

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Speaker 1: He had just been passed for six months. They you know,

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Speaker 1: we used to wait in the beginning for a year,

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Speaker 1: but I've done some as long as a person on

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00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 1: this side is a stable and um, I can go

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Speaker 1: ahead and do it. I did. I did one or

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Speaker 1: if they were only gone for eight weeks and another

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Speaker 1: for three months. It just depends. And when I spoke

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Speaker 1: with Craig Hogan, he said, Richelle, as the other side

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00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: always would like to communicate, but is this side but

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Speaker 1: stops it. So they have to be ready on this side,

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Speaker 1: and so I have to screen them well for that

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Speaker 1: if they're going to do it this soon. But this

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Speaker 1: was in six months, and she said she actually was

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Speaker 1: a psychologist herself, and she said, hello, Rochelle. I've been

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Speaker 1: wanting to update you since our session, but I was

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Speaker 1: waiting to see how well it held. The day after

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Speaker 1: day after, I truly felt like someone had reorganized me,

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Speaker 1: and I was the lighter, more free, more settled, and happier.

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Speaker 1: That lasted for quite a while. I started getting busier

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Speaker 1: as the old me would be and want to do,

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Speaker 1: and I found I got tired, and I'm not ready

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Speaker 1: for that. I still need quiet, solitude, lack of schedule,

622
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Speaker 1: and some space. The traumas that I had regarding my

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Speaker 1: husband are cleared. The beautiful experience I had with him

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Speaker 1: is still holding. I can bring it up, I can

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Speaker 1: feel him, and I feel so much better when I

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Speaker 1: remember and when I tell others about it. Rochelle, your

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00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 1: method is really very amazing and so significant and beneficial.

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Speaker 1: I'm so grateful you were willing to work with me

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Speaker 1: at this time. It was worth every penny to half

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Speaker 1: that tender time with my husband. Will hear his messages

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Speaker 1: and feel his close presence. I think all the components

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00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: are necessary, and love that the therapist is not in charge,

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00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: the loved one is. And of course I would add

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Speaker 1: spirit is or higher intelligence or God, whatever the word

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Speaker 1: is people used. So she said, all makes perfect sense

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Speaker 1: to me. So thank you, thank you, thank you. I believe.

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Speaker 1: She also said October training looks like the right time, Rochelle.

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Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break now, and when

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Speaker 1: we come back, we'll hear some more words from you,

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Speaker 1: the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain. Welcome back to Shades of

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Speaker 1: the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and we're with Rochelle Right,

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Speaker 1: creator of Repair and Reattachment Grief Therapy. Rochelle has anyone

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Speaker 1: ever done this therapy on you? Yes, actually a couple

670
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Speaker 1: of them have I let them? And uh yeah, I

671
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Speaker 1: did do the work with her. And it was with

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Speaker 1: my ecstasise husband who I cancer who died about twenty

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Speaker 1: years ago, who came to me prior to that and said,

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Speaker 1: you know what I told you in the beginning of

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Speaker 1: our of our conversation today, and it really helped. It

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Speaker 1: took me to a lot of places and it cleared

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Speaker 1: up a lot of things that was very good. And

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Speaker 1: another time, my aunt, I was so worried about her

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Speaker 1: because worried how I treated her because years ago she

680
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: came to where I was working and she said, oh,

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Speaker 1: and she came from like three hours away and she

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Speaker 1: was with my mom and I said, oh, we've come

683
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Speaker 1: in to take you to lunch. We want to see you.

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Speaker 1: And I said, I'm just too busy. I can't do

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Speaker 1: it right now. And I've always regretted that because she

686
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Speaker 1: passed away. She was so happy to see me, and

687
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Speaker 1: I thought, you know, why, why didn't I stop and

688
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Speaker 1: just go with him? That was so I targeted that,

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Speaker 1: and she came across and she's like saying, oh, I

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Speaker 1: didn't even notice that. I never even thought about that.

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Speaker 1: It didn't matter, and it relieved me so sure. And

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Speaker 1: I haven't thought about it really since I know. It's

693
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Speaker 1: me my grandmother. The day she passed away, it was

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Speaker 1: unexpected and I was traveling and I had actually thought that, oh,

695
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Speaker 1: I should call Grammy today, and then I said I'll

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Speaker 1: do it tomorrow. Well there was no tomorrow, and I

697
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Speaker 1: was I lived with that guilt for a long long time, right.

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Speaker 1: And even another one, my dad's best friend called him

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Speaker 1: while my dad was lying there days before he passed,

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Speaker 1: and his friend said, can you just put the phone

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Speaker 1: up she your dad's ear. I just want to say

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Speaker 1: goodbye to my best friend. So I don't know what

703
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Speaker 1: was said, but I held it there. And then it

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Speaker 1: was after Dad passed that I realized the ear I

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Speaker 1: held it up to was his deaf ear. Oh oh,

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Speaker 1: I mean that chokes me up now. But knowing that,

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Speaker 1: you know, I had that guilt, and so part of

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Speaker 1: my journey into the discovering the afterlife, and it even

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Speaker 1: actually came through a medium, is that Dad got the

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Speaker 1: message from his best friend, you know, And I thought, hallelujah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, these things are important. It's important because we

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Speaker 1: can we can hang on to that guilt. Oh yes,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't help us because what they do it's different

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Speaker 1: for them, you know. Yeah, that's like my aunt said.

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Speaker 1: I never even thought about it. I've been thinking about

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00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,959
Speaker 1: it ever since it happened, you know, so it gave

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00:45:51,960 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: me so much relief, and um, I know we're just

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Speaker 1: about other time. I will tell you one other thing

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Speaker 1: that I would like to say. They also come to

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Speaker 1: us in that twilight zone between going to sleep and

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Speaker 1: not quite asleep and also this waking up, and I

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Speaker 1: quite woke up. I had it happened to me about

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Speaker 1: three years ago. My brothers. He had one child, one daughter,

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Speaker 1: and no one knew this was going to happen. She

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Speaker 1: had worked all in the hospital. She was a nurse,

726
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Speaker 1: and she had a really excellent job at actually cancer

727
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Speaker 1: Caroline worked there twenty years and she took her life.

728
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Speaker 1: I wish just a shock for my brother and really

729
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Speaker 1: all of this because no one was expecting it, and

730
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Speaker 1: she never gave any clue. But what happened is a

731
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Speaker 1: day or two later, just as I was falling asleep,

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Speaker 1: I saw her like the sound of music, Julie Andrews,

733
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Speaker 1: and she was just dancing over this high field and

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Speaker 1: she had kind of distress on, like Julie Andrews, and

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Speaker 1: she was singing, and then she had this chuckle and

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Speaker 1: she was Chuck Lan Chuck Lan and you couldn't repeat

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Speaker 1: that chuckle if you wanted to. I mean, she had

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Speaker 1: that chuckle, you know. I told my brother about it, says, yes,

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00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: she had that chuckle. So that's really interesting too. They

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Speaker 1: come to us during that time, that's great. I noticed

741
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: on your website that you offer a free meditation that

742
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: people can just click on and download and listen. That's

743
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Speaker 1: forty five minutes. Could you explain what that is because

744
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: I know not all of us are going to make

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00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: the trip and spend five hours with a therapist. I

746
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: know many people will. If this had been available for

747
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 1: my dad passed and then that year after, if I

748
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: had known about it, I would have flown to Washington,

749
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. But is there something within your

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00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: maybe just describe your meditation and if it could, we'll

751
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: do something they can do. They can listen to it

752
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: or they can download it. And the meditation is the

753
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: relaxing and it is an attempt that if it is

754
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: supposed to happen, that they would might be able to

755
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Speaker 1: connect with their loved one at least sets that energy

756
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 1: and seen for them. So that's what it's about. It

757
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,439
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they're going to connect. I did this

758
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:28,359
Speaker 1: um at an afterlife conference and that's what it got

759
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: it started. I did that and one lady that was

760
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,359
Speaker 1: there who had never been able to connect with her

761
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: son connected during the meditation and she was saying, Oh,

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00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 1: is there any way you know that you'll you can

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00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: do this? And so that's why I went ahead and

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Speaker 1: did it and put it on my site. She was

765
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 1: really elated because she had seen Yeah, she's seen a

766
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: lot of people trying to connect with him, a lot

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00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: of well known people, and she hadn't and so just

768
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: during this medication. But I don't want to also give

769
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: people false hope that that's what's going to happen when

770
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,319
Speaker 1: they listen to it. But that's what happened to her. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I want to say too, I took a course

772
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Speaker 1: on mediumship and trance, mediumship and quieting the mind, and

773
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: I have a strong sense this is just me. You

774
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: can I don't think you're going to argue with me.

775
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: But the way our human minds are, they're very busy

776
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: and it's very hard to still the mind. And I

777
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 1: have the instinct that if someone doesn't get results with

778
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: your meditation, that it's something to not give up on.

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00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: And the more you may listen to it, and the

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Speaker 1: more you may practice. You know, I haven't listened to it, honestly,

781
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 1: but the more times you may develop that place you

782
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: need to be for that communication to come through. And

783
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: like you said, there's no guarantees, but I have the

784
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 1: feeling that it's no success on the first time. You

785
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: keep trying. Would that be something that someone can do, Yes,

786
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: and it would actually help them to become more relaxed.

787
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Speaker 1: And like you say, in this very busy world, it's

788
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: as if the world has speeded up and we're all

789
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: expected to move faster and faster. And that's what I

790
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 1: think that it's what we really need to do is stop.

791
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 1: Like I got from the therapist to past. There is

792
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Speaker 1: a button on the treadmill. We can push the stop

793
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: button and we can get off of it. And I

794
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: think it gives them that time to get off of

795
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: that business and to get more centered, because that's what

796
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 1: you know, that's what we need to do. That's why

797
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: I think people come in drains. It's because we're more quiet,

798
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: and that's when they can come because when we're so busy,

799
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Speaker 1: we're you know, we're too busy. We do show up

800
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Speaker 1: and give a sign when we're going about our day,

801
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: of course, so that would help them just at the

802
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: very minimum to become relaxed and to just feel better

803
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: after fourty five minutes, to feel better. Of course, I'm

804
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: sure I'm gonna listen to that later on today. In fact,

805
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: I'm really grateful that you give that you have any

806
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: closing words. Rochelle Well, I would just a safetay open

807
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: and things come to us in many different ways, but

808
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: we're so busy we don't pay attention. But they come

809
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: in signs. They come in that people might say, they

810
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: come in music. Uh, you feel a presence, you might

811
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 1: see eleven eleven on the clock, you might find a

812
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: shiny penny. You need to really pay attention to that.

813
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: And the other thing I'd like to say is this

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Speaker 1: has been a wonderful to be able to talk to Sandra.

815
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Speaker 1: Thanks so appreciate it. Thank you. Your words are important.

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Speaker 1: They really are than you. And I'm excited about reading

817
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: the book To Repair and Reattachment Grief Therapy and it

818
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: is still being sold on Amazon. I saw as guided

819
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 1: afterlife connections. So don't feel you who's listening, that you

820
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: need to get them both. We certainly don't have to

821
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: buy both. Rochelle's website is Repair and Reattachment dot com.

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Speaker 1: There you'll find a validation study of this therapy by

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Speaker 1: Dr R Craig Hogan, who's the president of the Afterlife

824
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Speaker 1: Research and Education Institute. The comments are amazing about what

825
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: people have experienced. At the website, you'll also find a

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Speaker 1: list of trained therapists in North and South America, Europe

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Speaker 1: and Australia. If you are a therapist, it would make

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Speaker 1: a difference to many people grieving to offer this therapy

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00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: and to the non therapists. You can find more information

830
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 1: about Rochelle the book and listen to the free guided

831
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Speaker 1: meditation again at Repair and Reattachment dot com. I'd also

832
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Speaker 1: like to encourage you, if you haven't done this already,

833
00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: to listen to interview number five with dot to Craig

834
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Speaker 1: Hogan on Shades of the Afterlife. It's really a fascinating conversation.

835
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Speaker 1: He is the president of the Afterlife Institute dot org,

836
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 1: and there you will find a page called how to

837
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:18,439
Speaker 1: connect with loved Ones in Spirit. Dr Craig Hogan has

838
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,919
Speaker 1: created a self guided training program that helps people make

839
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: their own connections, and he says that it's eight six

840
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: successful and last on my page we Don't Die dot Com.

841
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 1: If you go to book links, I offer a short

842
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: free audio called Reconnections. It's so very important to remember

843
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: that a quiet mind is needed to be able to

844
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: relax enough to get into this state, and we naturally

845
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: pass through the state when we wake up in the

846
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 1: morning and when we go to bed at night. So

847
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: we can definitely do this, even taking some time just

848
00:53:54,840 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: to slow down, concentrate on your breathing, it can be done. Also,

849
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: we don't Die dot Com we have some really great

850
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: at home courses. They help you slow down, blend with

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Speaker 1: the unseen world, get in touch with your psychic and

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Speaker 1: medium abilities if you like, and yes we all have them.

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Speaker 1: In closing, I want to thank you sincerely for listening.

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Speaker 1: Your loved ones. My friends are only a breath away

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Speaker 1: and support you on every step you take in this life.

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Speaker 1: There's a great quote that says, in oneself lies the

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Speaker 1: whole world, and if you know how to look and learn,

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Speaker 1: the door is there and the key is in your hand.

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Speaker 1: Nobody on earth can give you either the key or

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Speaker 1: the door to open except yourself. This is Sanders Champlain.

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Speaker 1: You've been listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the

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Speaker 1: And if you liked this episode of Shades of the Afterlife,

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