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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. Oh it is Wednesday, April eighth,

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Speaker 2: and we have a stack knight of headlines. Tonight is

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Speaker 2: going to be huge. The Long Island serial killer Rex Humerman,

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Speaker 2: who has denied his guilt for a very long time,

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Speaker 2: has officially pled guilty to eight counts of murder. So

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Speaker 2: big day in court in many places. In fact, do

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Speaker 2: you guys remember the husband who we spoke about last night,

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Speaker 2: even unfortunately he was with his wife and the Bahamas

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Speaker 2: and she stumbled overboard and allegedly and we had our

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Speaker 2: we had our suspicions based on the daughter's interview. Well,

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Speaker 2: it turns out he has been arrested. He is claiming

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Speaker 2: his innocence, but the plot is thickening quickly. And plus

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Speaker 2: the husband that was on the hike in Hawaii, remember

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Speaker 2: with his wife when he allegedly tried to murder her. Well,

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Speaker 2: big day in court as well, because the verdict is

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Speaker 2: officially in so we have so many things to discuss. Also,

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Speaker 2: the Kettemin Queen, remember she was the dealer who dealt

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Speaker 2: the drugs that ultimately killed Matthew Perry, our beloved friends star.

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Speaker 2: She has been sentenced as well. So big night of

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Speaker 2: legal talk. Thankfully we have Jared Farentino here, our very

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Speaker 2: favorite prosecutor. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with Courtney Armstrong and

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Speaker 2: Body Moven full house. Tonight we have Taha House in

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Speaker 2: the producer's seat, and Sam and Adam are standing by

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Speaker 2: in the control room hoping that you'll call with a

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Speaker 2: question for Jared. Eight eight eight three one crime. Hi everybody,

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Speaker 2: we made it to Wednesday. Hi, we did. Happy hump Day.

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Speaker 2: Hackey hump day is right. I hope you guys had

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Speaker 2: a good one. I did.

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Speaker 3: It was Oh my god, I was so busy today.

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Speaker 3: I looked up and it was five o'clock. I was like,

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Speaker 3: holy crap, I got to get to the show.

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Speaker 2: I gotta get to Oh oh boy, you gotta hustle

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Speaker 2: on over there in this Long Island News as a

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Speaker 2: Long Islander, as a former Long Islander, but you know

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Speaker 2: you're always a Long Islander at heart. This has been

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Speaker 2: one of those cases that has been really in the

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Speaker 2: back of so many people's minds for so so many years, decades.

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Speaker 2: So for this to actually have its final day is

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Speaker 2: such a big deal for Long Island and for all

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Speaker 2: my fellow New Yorkers. It seems as though there is

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Speaker 2: finally going to be some justice. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: This has been long a long time coming. And you know,

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Speaker 3: we started talking about this last night, how this was

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Speaker 3: going to be happening. So here we are. It happened,

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Speaker 3: And the first thing I did when I woke up

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Speaker 3: this morning, did it happen? Yes, Oh my god, it

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Speaker 3: did and been consumed ever since. So let's can we get.

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Speaker 2: Into it, because yes, jump right in, Okay, So.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, over nearly two decades, right, this has been going on.

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Speaker 3: Multiple women in their twenties, many of whom the law

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Speaker 2: They went missing on Long Island.

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Speaker 3: Well Rex Huerman, He's a sixty two year old architect

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Speaker 3: from Long Island. He's been in custody on those murder

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Speaker 3: maintained his innocence and he's you know, planned to go

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Speaker 3: to trial for the murder charges this fall. Well today

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Speaker 3: that totally changed when Rex Huerman confessed in court. Now

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Speaker 3: he confessed to killing eight women whose bodies were found,

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Speaker 3: New York's Gilgo Beach. Although he's not going to be

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Speaker 3: charged with the eighth under the plea deal, which is interesting.

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Speaker 3: I really want to get Jared's take on this. Rex

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Speaker 3: Humerman will not be charged with victim Karen Bergotta's death.

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Speaker 3: Rex Human also is part of this pleagrement agreed to

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Speaker 3: work with the behavioral analysis unit for the FBI. They

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Speaker 2: Yes, stop the presses. He had to agree to that.

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Speaker 2: Think about it. I've never seen that before. We'll ask

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Speaker 2: Jared about this as well. But is that normal to

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Speaker 2: have to actually allow the FBI to get in your

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Speaker 2: of a monster we now know. By the way, how

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Speaker 2: much of a monster did he look like in court today?

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Speaker 2: He seemed petrifying, he.

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Speaker 3: Did, but he also seemed kind of smug and smirky, yes,

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Speaker 4: Oh, Jared, what are your two centens? Like, what do

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Speaker 5: He is the consummate architect. You know, he is in control.

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Speaker 5: He designed how this was going to play out. And

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Speaker 5: and that's exactly what he is. This is about control

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Speaker 5: think he maintains some of that. I think he wants

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Speaker 5: there was a little give and take here, which is normal,

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Speaker 5: and we can talk about that. You know the fact

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Speaker 5: that Karen's family may not have just this, But the

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Speaker 5: reality is this guy's doing stacked life sentences and he

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Speaker 5: but he's being consequenced. You know, if ever I've gotten

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Speaker 5: double life sentences on a defendant, I would say, you know,

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Speaker 5: the life after that. Half of that's tongue in cheek,

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Speaker 5: but the reality is, like, this is the rest of

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Speaker 5: his life and he has to atone for all of

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Speaker 5: these crimes forever, and there is some peace in that

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Speaker 3: Now he had to allocute as well, which is also

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Speaker 3: very interesting, but that wasn't filmed in court. We don't

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Speaker 5: And that's not always the case either body. We talked

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Speaker 5: Coolberger exactly exactly. So although Yurreman didn't give all the

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Speaker 5: details of his motivation, his planning, he's certainly the details

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Speaker 5: of the acts themselves. How how the actual murders took place.

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Speaker 5: That helps the prosecution in a sense that good luck

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Speaker 2: This is also one of those cases where family members themselves,

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Speaker 2: You know, that's a load to be carrying the justice

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Speaker 2: for Rex Humerman's wife and daughter and son. You know

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Speaker 2: they've been standing by I am to the bitter end.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like that changed today a bit.

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Speaker 3: It did asa his wife. She made a statement outside

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Speaker 6: My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families.

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Speaker 6: Their loss is immeasurable and the focus should be on

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Speaker 6: Give some privacy to my family as they navigate through

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I mean they obviously aren't responsible, they

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Speaker 2: I thought that was a titriate to that end. I

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Speaker 2: this was a pretty small house in Oyster Bay, Long Island.

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Speaker 2: It looked like the creepiest house on the street, right,

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Speaker 2: And you know, easy to say that when you don't

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Speaker 2: you think his wife might be on the hook for anything.

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Speaker 2: I know she was really never brought into the investigation,

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Speaker 5: Is there a possibility of that, Jarrett Well looking at

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Speaker 5: the fact, Stephanie, it's a great question. Certainly. That was

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Speaker 5: one of the biggest questions as this case unfolded early on.

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Speaker 5: it's a horror show to think what may have gone

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Speaker 5: that maintains control. It could be private, you know, acts

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Speaker 4: M Well said, if you're just joining us, this is

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Speaker 4: srue crime. Tonight, I'm Courtney Arms. I am here as

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Speaker 4: always with a body move in and Stephanie Leidecker and

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Speaker 4: we are joined tonight by Jarrett Farentino, Prosecutor extraordinaire. And

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Speaker 4: right now we're talking about the fact that Rex Huerman,

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Speaker 4: he confessed in court to killing eight women. He has

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Speaker 4: been known as the Long Island serial killer, and as

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Speaker 4: of today he has pled guilty. Another question about the wife, Jarrett, So,

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Speaker 4: if as a spouse, if you have no direct knowledge,

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Speaker 4: as we just discussed, you know the incidents line up

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Speaker 4: when Rex Huerman, the now guilty serial killer, when his

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Speaker 4: wife was out of town. If I have knowledge that

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Speaker 4: I don't know my husband is a creep, or I

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Speaker 4: find some weird things, but I'm not seeing a body,

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Speaker 4: per se, not to beat crass. As a spouse, do

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Speaker 4: I have to share that with the police.

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Speaker 2: Am I then involved in a crime? Great question?

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Speaker 5: No, No, so certainly you should if you believe that

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Speaker 5: your husband is the Long Island serial killer. But you

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Speaker 5: have no affirmative obligation if you become aware of something.

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Speaker 5: And interestingly enough, there's the concept of spousal privilege. So

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Speaker 5: if you become aware of something in a private communication

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Speaker 5: them in a court of law. It's a privileged communication,

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Speaker 5: So tactically, Stephanie, another interesting point whether or not a

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Speaker 7: Have you discussed this case with your returney?

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Speaker 3: So have you had enough time.

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Speaker 5: To discuss this case with your return Yes, I have.

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Speaker 7: After discussions with your lord, you feel it's in your

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Speaker 1: Guilty rather than what trials.

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 7: Now, these rights include your right to a trial by

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Speaker 5: Your guilty on a reasonable doubt.

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Speaker 7: You're right to cross examine those witnesses, and you're right

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Speaker 7: You're right to call witnesses or submit evidence on your behead.

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Speaker 7: Do you understand those rights as I just explained them.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well right, it's still so difficult. Haircut too, he

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Speaker 8: Can I jump in and ask a quick question to

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Speaker 5: Like why would he? You know, tal that's a great question.

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Speaker 5: It's hard to imagine. You really have to jump inside

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Speaker 5: They're going to have to listen to these witnesses, They're

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Speaker 5: I take that away, and then I become a participant

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Speaker 2: That's the big thing.

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Speaker 5: I think that's what it was.

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Speaker 3: Most serial offenders like him are very ego driven, right, definitely,

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Speaker 3: You know, that's like a big prison culture thing.

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Speaker 2: Right. He gets to be a big shot. And I

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Speaker 5: Gives satisfaction in that I think he gets great satisfaction.

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Speaker 5: The fact that he's showing the prosecution I'm still in control.

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Speaker 2: Are you guys so curious to know what was the

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Speaker 2: What was the one thing that led them to go, oh,

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Speaker 2: Even just seeing the pizza box today and if you're

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Speaker 2: found him because of DNA and DNA genealogy and all

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Speaker 2: You see the box and you see his like leftover crust.

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Speaker 5: It's wild. And the truck too. His vehicle was another.

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Speaker 2: Connection to because of the hair I forgot.

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Speaker 5: And there was a green truck, right, Baudy BOUDI was

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Speaker 1: Yes, once they.

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Speaker 5: That was another you know, and I've been in that

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Speaker 5: oh my god, he fits the physical description. He has

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Speaker 5: there's just this moment where you're like, holy, you can't

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Speaker 2: Well, and they don't even imagine what that moment is. Like,

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Speaker 2: have all the info. Unbelievable. Yeah, they also had that belt.

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Speaker 3: believe the belt belonged to It was wh and they

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Speaker 3: believe the belt belonged to Rex's dad, William Humerman, so

435
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Speaker 3: wh And I don't know if the belt.

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Speaker 2: Maybe led them to him.

437
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Speaker 3: Maybe there's I think there's a bunch of little things

438
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Speaker 3: that might have led to him.

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Speaker 4: But still interesting the tipping point. If you're just joining us,

440
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Speaker 4: this is true crime tonight, and we're talking about the

441
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Speaker 4: facts that Rex Huerman has now pled guilty to being

442
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Speaker 4: the Long Island serial killer. So there is a serial

443
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Speaker 4: killer who will be behind bo for the rest of

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Speaker 4: his life. If you have any questions, particularly legal ones,

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Speaker 4: you should give us a call. We're at eighty to

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Speaker 4: eight three one Crime and we are joined by Prosecutor

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Speaker 4: Jarrett Farantino. I wanted to take just a moment and

448
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Speaker 4: mention the victims.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: These are the women who all lost their lives to.

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Speaker 4: This man, Rex Huerman, of at Gilgo Beach, Long Island.

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Speaker 4: Victim Sandra Castilla. She was the first woman killed, and

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Speaker 4: she was strangled and dumped and was found in nineteen

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Speaker 4: ninety three. Karen Virgata, she was killed in April of

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Speaker 4: nineteen ninety nine. She was not identified until twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 4: Valerie Mack was killed in two thousand and she was

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Speaker 4: a twenty four year old Philadelphia mother. She worked in

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Speaker 4: the sex trade and was found in two thousand. Jessica

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Speaker 4: Taylor was killed in twenty two thousand and three rather

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Speaker 4: and her remains were found in two thousand and three.

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Speaker 4: And victim Maureen Brainerd Barnes, she was killed on July

463
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Speaker 4: ninth of two thousand and seven. She was twenty five

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Speaker 4: years old. And this is a long list, and this

465
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Speaker 4: is you know, think of how long all of these

466
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Speaker 4: decades for some of these victims' parents has been as

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Speaker 4: they waited to find out what happened to their daughters.

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Speaker 4: Megan Waterman, she lost her life on June sixth twenty ten.

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Speaker 4: She was twenty two years old. And then amberln Costello

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Speaker 4: she was killed September of twenty ten and she was

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Speaker 4: twenty seven years old.

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Speaker 3: And Karen Vergotta, she's one of the victims that Courtney

473
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Speaker 3: just read. She is the one that he's not being

474
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Speaker 3: charged with, although he did confess to strangling her today

475
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Speaker 3: in court, So that's the Is there a reason that

476
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Speaker 3: he's not being charged with her murder? Is that they

477
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 3: didn't have enough evidence or what's the situation.

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Speaker 5: Do you know that could be it that they have

479
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 5: his statement that's called corpus DELECTI like, it's not enough

480
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Speaker 5: for me to say, like I killed JFK. I have

481
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Speaker 5: to have some evidence and the body of the crime

482
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Speaker 5: has to match my statement. Because her body was discovered

483
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Speaker 5: so much later in the investigation, there may be an

484
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Speaker 5: issue there. The other thing is it may just be

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Speaker 5: part of the plea agreement that they reached. It's like,

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Speaker 5: admit it. We'll go to the family and they say, look,

487
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Speaker 5: this guy's still getting life. You have some closure. You

488
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Speaker 5: know he's the one responsible. You know, there's a part

489
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Speaker 5: of me that says, but you know what it's that

490
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Speaker 5: may just be the number nine for some people it's

491
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Speaker 5: the ninth body. But Karen's family may have wanted her

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Speaker 5: to be on there. So but again, I'm thinking it's

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Speaker 5: more likely an evidentiary issue.

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Speaker 3: Jared, You've prosecuted a lot of cases, and you know

495
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Speaker 3: you're an outstanding prosecutor, and you've obviously prosecuted a lot

496
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Speaker 3: of murders. Do you know if this allocution that he

497
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Speaker 3: did today was that ordered for him to do?

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Speaker 5: It probably was agreed to because in New York you

499
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Speaker 5: don't have to do one, and you don't have to

500
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Speaker 5: do a detailed one. It's like Pennsylvania. So again this

501
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 5: give and take that they're having with him, and it

502
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Speaker 5: goes back to the fact that he's going to be

503
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Speaker 5: a behavioral witness for the FBI. It's like, Rex, you

504
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 5: can't have it both ways here. If you're going to

505
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 5: tell us these stories of what happened, you need to

506
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 5: tell the judge first before we're going to accept at

507
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Speaker 5: hook line and sinker over cop with you. So I

508
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 5: think there's some of that. They're saying, Look, if you're

509
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 5: going to tell your story, tell it to the judge first,

510
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 5: lock it in, and then we will be happy to

511
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 5: meet with you. And his information is going to be

512
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 5: part of understanding what he did, but what others have

513
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Speaker 5: done throughout history.

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Speaker 2: And future right that it is exactly and law enforcement.

515
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Speaker 2: Remember there was really confusing law enforcement activity during these

516
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: early days, So there was this parallel conversation happening in

517
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Speaker 2: Suffolk County, Long Island and within their police department. Real time.

518
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Speaker 2: My desk is like suddenly moving, Oh my goodness, you

519
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: see this with it, I don't know what just happened.

520
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 2: Desk is on the move, and you know, listen, after

521
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 2: all of these years, you know, justice eventually does happen.

522
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: And I find it so inspiring. You're disappearing again. I'll

523
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Speaker 2: see you later.

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Speaker 8: Bye.

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Speaker 3: No, but it it's such an important point that you

526
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 3: bring up. Jared and Stephanie both like, I know, people

527
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 3: are probably very upset because you know, he's basically like

528
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 3: getting away with this Karen murder. But he did confess,

529
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Speaker 3: and I really you never know. There might be one

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Speaker 3: thing that he says to a really smart agent, you know,

531
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Speaker 3: in the behavioral analysis unit. And I know the Behavioral

532
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Speaker 3: Analysis unit. I have a relationship with Jim Clementi, who

533
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Speaker 3: works there or work there previously, one of the smartest

534
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Speaker 3: men I've ever met. They're very smart people. There might

535
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Speaker 3: be one thing that he says that an agent is like,

536
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Speaker 3: oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: You know it's going to bust a profile wide open.

538
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Speaker 3: It's going to save lives, right, That's the idea is

539
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 3: to save lives and to predict these behaviors and recognize

540
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Speaker 3: these patterns moving forward. And Rex Huerman might be able

541
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Speaker 3: to contribute to that, which is very ironic because he's

542
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Speaker 3: in the business of taking lives, not saving them.

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Speaker 5: Well, he's a resource that will be mind no doubt

544
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 5: and the hope bits from this awful monster you can

545
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 5: find that more soul of truth and that piece of

546
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 5: evidence that blows up her the case open.

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00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: That's right, Let it be. So the ones that we're

548
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 2: discussing now, jareded probably are fitting right into your wheelhouse.

549
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 2: Long Island serial killer. There has been a plea deal

550
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 2: accepted by him, So if you've missed any of that coverage,

551
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: you could always catch us after as a podcast. Also

552
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: in Hawaii, so we've been following this case so closely.

553
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: Husband and wife go on a romantic hike in Hawaii. Apparently,

554
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: you know, Gerhart's wife was allegedly having some emotional affair

555
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 2: of swords it maybe some the word sexy texting or something,

556
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Speaker 2: and he decides to allegedly toss her off a cliff

557
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Speaker 2: and then when she resists, he pounds her with a

558
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Speaker 2: rock until she is bloody and barely recognizable. And now

559
00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 2: he is finally being sentenced yet, but we do have

560
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Speaker 2: a verdict. What do we think? Who wants to spill

561
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: the beans? Sharet? Do you want to say it?

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Speaker 5: He was convicted. I'm happy to say he was convicted

563
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Speaker 5: of attempted manslaughter, and we'll talk about what I think

564
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Speaker 5: about that.

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Speaker 2: But what is that attempt? To us?

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Speaker 3: It's guilty, though I guess as the lead, Yeah, Courtney,

567
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Speaker 3: do you want to brother?

568
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Speaker 5: What is it? It's there was a leap in this

569
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 5: case that the jury wasn't willing to take, and that

570
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 5: was he intended to kill her. And I think I

571
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Speaker 5: have to say, I think his defense attorney did a

572
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Speaker 5: very good job of beating up that level of intent.

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Speaker 5: He kept saying like it was her idea to go

574
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Speaker 5: on the hike. She took him out on that trip.

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Speaker 5: This was not some long planned thing, and you can

576
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Speaker 5: certainly form the intent to commit murder in a second,

577
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Speaker 5: but the reality was there were some things that did

578
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Speaker 5: not play into the narrative that this was a long

579
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 5: planned thing where he's bringing the syringes to commit the act.

580
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Speaker 5: So I thought that played well. The jury was about

581
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Speaker 5: eight hours, so yeah, there was a lot of disagreement

582
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Speaker 5: in that room.

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Speaker 2: By the way, well, they also never got the syringes,

584
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Speaker 2: which I think was really problematic. So it became a

585
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: little that is said versus she said. Until the fellow

586
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Speaker 2: hikers appeared and could corroborate her story. And the son

587
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Speaker 2: who dad confesses to his son, not the biological son

588
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Speaker 2: of the victim, but the accused his son. He confesses

589
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Speaker 2: by the way, he kind of changed his tune on

590
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Speaker 2: that one also. But isn't it possible, Jared, Let's assume

591
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Speaker 2: for a second that this was spontaneous and not premeditated.

592
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Speaker 2: You could still have a premeditated plan in motion and

593
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Speaker 2: just being in weight of the perfect moment, So both

594
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Speaker 2: things could be true. She could have recommended that walk,

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Speaker 2: She could have planned the hype. It could have been

596
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Speaker 2: to you know, rekindle things or have a deep discussion.

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Speaker 2: Is it possible he was just like laying and waiting

598
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Speaker 2: for the perfect time.

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Speaker 5: I think. I think that's very possible. But that really

600
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Speaker 5: wasn't their theory. Their theory was that he brought her

601
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Speaker 5: out there to kill her, and he failed to do so.

602
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Speaker 5: So I think the jury felt like, we're going to

603
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 5: hold him accountable. This is dangerous conduct, but they stopped

604
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 5: short of saying it's attempted murder. And it's not an acquittal.

605
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Speaker 5: Remember that it's like a measured conviction. It reflects doubt,

606
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Speaker 5: just as far as the highest level of culpability here,

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Speaker 5: I think they absolutely thought he had bad intentions. It

608
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Speaker 5: was a question of when those intentions began. And it's nuanced,

609
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Speaker 5: but it's significant.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I absolutely have a couple of questions about intent.

611
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Speaker 4: But if you're if you're not super conversant. In this case,

612
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Speaker 4: which we've been talking about for a little bit now,

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Speaker 4: the doctor is doctor Gerhart Koenig, and he's the one

614
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Speaker 4: who has now been convicted of attempted manslaughter, and the

615
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Speaker 4: accusation was that he tried to kill his wife, Ariel

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Speaker 4: Coning on a hiking trail in Hawaii a year ago.

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Speaker 4: And there were a lot of options that the jurors

618
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Speaker 4: could have chosen from. It wasn't just is Gerhart Koenig

619
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Speaker 4: guilty of trying to murder his wife, Ariel Koenig, it

620
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Speaker 4: was it was attempted manslaughter, which is what the jury

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Speaker 4: ultimately lands it on. And there were also you know,

622
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Speaker 4: attempted second degree attempted murder, Jared. What goes into putting

623
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Speaker 4: more than one option for the jury to choose from.

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Speaker 2: Who decided?

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Speaker 5: The prosecutors decided, And it's a strategic decision when you

626
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Speaker 5: look at your case, and you assess the strengths and

627
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 5: weaknesses of your case. So you're like, look, we're going

628
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 5: for first degree here, but let's be realistic. It's not

629
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Speaker 5: the perfect case. We want to make sure we get

630
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Speaker 5: this guy or a gal, give the jurors an option

631
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Speaker 5: if they don't want to make that leap of faith.

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Speaker 5: So in this case you have a whole panoply of

633
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Speaker 5: levels of intent. And not to go all lawyer on everybody,

634
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Speaker 5: but here's the thing. It's as significant as the act

635
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 5: itself defining that level of intent. Was it an actual,

636
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 5: purposeful act, was it something that was planned out? Was

637
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 5: it a reckless act? Was it something that was the

638
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 5: heat of passion? All of those levels of intent are

639
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 5: as significant as the act itself, because when you bring

640
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 5: them together, that's what makes you arrive at a particular charge.

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00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 5: It's the guilty mind and the guilty act. That's law

642
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 5: school one on one. Everybody just got a free law

643
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 5: school lesson. That's just in criminal law one on one.

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Speaker 2: That was good. Though we of listen, we all secretly

645
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 2: want to go to law school, So.

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Speaker 5: Oh, wasn't that bad. I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 4: So my understanding is that the sentence range is up

648
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Speaker 4: to ten years in prison that this Maui doctor Gerhard

649
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Speaker 4: Koning may be facing for trying to kill his wife.

650
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Speaker 2: Where attempting to manslaughter his wife?

651
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 4: I guess we should say that's crazy, that's wild to me.

652
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 5: Yes, that seems so. He's facing up to ten but

653
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 5: there'll be a guideline recommended sentence given to the judge

654
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,720
Speaker 5: based on the fact that he's never been in trouble before. Okay,

655
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 5: so it'll be in the lower range. He's more likely

656
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 5: going to be looking at like a term of incarceration

657
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 5: of five to ten years, four to eight years. Maybe

658
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 5: the seriousness of the offense can't like they're not saying

659
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 5: he attempted to assault her. They're saying he attempted to

660
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 5: kill her.

661
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: How is that possible? Six five to six years. Not

662
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: only did he try to murder her, and a juror

663
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 2: of twelve people, a jury of twelve people have decided

664
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: that unequivocally he confessed to his son, despite his oh

665
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 2: I didn't mean it that way. It got lost in translation.

666
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 2: Your own flesh and blood. Nineteen year old son had

667
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: to take the stand and say, basically, yes, my dad

668
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: confessed to trying to kill her and to kill his wife.

669
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me? Right now? And now he's going

670
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: to get five to six years I guess she.

671
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 5: Now, Stephanie, that'll be the recommendation. Now, the court could say,

672
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 5: I'm going to sentence you in the aggravated range because

673
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 5: of the nature of your conduct. The fact that he

674
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 5: took a trial is not going to bode well either.

675
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 5: So all of those considerations. I mean, this wasn't a

676
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 5: trial that was over in a couple of days. This

677
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 5: thing went on and on and on. So this tied

678
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 5: up tremendous resources to be told this guy was guilty.

679
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 5: So I think the recommendation will be in that range.

680
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 5: The judge certainly has the right to go into the

681
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 5: aggravated range and up to the max if ever there's

682
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 5: conduct that would bring you there. It's here, But then

683
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 5: there are factors that would take you out of that.

684
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 5: He was, you know, in the throat, he found out

685
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 5: his wife was having this affair. He's been a medical professional,

686
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 5: he's cared for people in his life. All of those

687
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,359
Speaker 5: things may drive it down. Now, don't blame me, I'm

688
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 5: just a messenger. But those are the factors that get considered.

689
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 5: Doesn't mean the judge should or will so hold on.

690
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 4: That's so curious to me. So someone's sentencing may be

691
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 4: mitigated by the fact that they just found out something

692
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 4: terrible about In this case, you know, doctor Coding, you know,

693
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 4: found out about his wife's emotional affair and what that

694
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 4: was volatile and not excuses, but may lesson a sentence potentially.

695
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 5: It's just part of the way this case played out.

696
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 5: So the judges oft the rise to factor in all

697
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 5: of the surrounding facts of a case, and one of

698
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 5: them is that there was this communication with this other

699
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 5: man he found out about it was markedly upset about it.

700
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 5: So it's something the judge can consider. Doesn't mean he's

701
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 5: going to excuse the conduct, but in my opinion, that

702
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 5: is something the defense can say mitigates his conduct because

703
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 5: he was not in his faculties. He was upset when

704
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 5: he was acting out. So and then there was that

705
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 5: whole self defense thing, which I don't think they bought

706
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 5: at all. But I think they just muddied the waters

707
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 5: here a little bit. But the judge certainly doesn't have

708
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 5: to consider that.

709
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 3: But I think the winning thing here for I guess,

710
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 3: in my opinion, this is a bit of a win

711
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 3: for the defense, right, he's not been charged with murder.

712
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 3: He's only going to be doing possibly ten years because

713
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 3: there's no real aggravating factors, like there was no gun,

714
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 3: you know, things like that. There's no real aggravator factors here.

715
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 3: I think the win here for the defense is the

716
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 3: reasonable doubt they planted by highlighting that, yeah, there was

717
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,920
Speaker 3: blood on the rock, but you don't really know what

718
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 3: happened to get that blood there, And you know, they

719
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 3: really downplayed the intent that the prosecution was driving home.

720
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 3: You never found the syringes, right, those Singer. If they

721
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 3: had found those syringes, I think that would we be

722
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 3: looking at a different a different verdict here today.

723
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 5: I couldn't have to town with them too. He would

724
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 5: have brought them on the trip. That was just like that.

725
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 2: Would be intent, right, That would show planning. And had

726
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 2: the hikers not just appeared out of nowhere, Thankfully there

727
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 2: were these two bystanders, these two hero women who appeared

728
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 2: on the scene and were clever and brave enough to

729
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 2: step in appropriately and offer help and also corroborate the story.

730
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 2: Had they not shown up, this guy would have gotten

731
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 2: away with it.

732
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 5: It becomes a he said. She said case purely, and

733
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 5: he would.

734
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: Have for sure killed her the next time. I don't know,

735
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 2: Well take around for her next time, yeah, he said.

736
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: She said.

737
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 4: That was the defense's real main crux of their argument

738
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 4: in terms of defending doctor gerhart Koning. So while the

739
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 4: prosecution was saying that this doctor attempted to kill his

740
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 4: wife Ariel Coding using you know, pushing her off a clip, striking,

741
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 4: striking her with the rock, or injecting her with the syringe,

742
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 4: the defense said, absolutely not, that's just what you are

743
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 4: theorizing happened. And there was also they questioned the reliability

744
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 4: of the witnesses you mentioned, and those were the two

745
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 4: women who happened upon the husband and wife as they

746
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 4: were engaged in a struggle where he was hitting her

747
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 4: with a rock. How much does that come into play

748
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 4: if someone's questioning a witness credibility where these two women

749
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 4: again Ana Hiak, minding their business, both nurses to me.

750
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 5: To me, well, nurses make bad jurors, but we're not

751
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:17,240
Speaker 5: going to get into that. But they're totally independent witnesses.

752
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 5: They're like your dream come true. They don't know these people,

753
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 5: They come upon them and don't forget doctor Gerhardt's son

754
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 5: corroborates too. He faced his son. And why why nurses

755
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 5: make bad jurors is because they're really analytical and they're

756
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 5: very very good at looking at evidence and taking a

757
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 5: case apart. So they are good witnesses in my opinion.

758
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 5: They're no fools. And in the heat of the moment,

759
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 5: nurses deal with traumatic and dramatic situations all the time.

760
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 5: They come up on this. They have their faculties, they

761
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 5: make these observations, and they were very very powerful in

762
00:43:55,480 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 5: this case. They corroborated our victim and the doctors and

763
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 5: those are at that point, you're just wrapping up your case.

764
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 5: You have like four four bases here.

765
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 2: How is it possible? Oh wait, I don't want to

766
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: ask you too many questions. As we're going to a break.

767
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: I disregard. I'm going to hold that question because I

768
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 2: want to know what it's up with the nurses being

769
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: bad jurors.

770
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 3: Come on, they're too analytical, they're too I guess.

771
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 2: But come on, if you're a nurse and you know better, nurses,

772
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: you know what they do know better.

773
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 3: They do know better, and apparently they know better than

774
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 3: this this this particular anesthesiologist, right, and that's for sure,

775
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 3: you know. But I really do think the defense did

776
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 3: a really great job in this case of planting you know,

777
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 3: the reasonable doubtness. You know, they questioned the the sun

778
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 3: They said that he misinterpreted the phone call where you know,

779
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 3: the anesthesiologist that's just been convicted of manslaughter apparently confessed

780
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 3: to try, you know, just trying to kill his wife.

781
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,400
Speaker 3: And they also said this, which is interesting, And I

782
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 3: do happen to agree. Evidence should lead to theories. You

783
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 3: don't come with the theories and look for evidence to

784
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 3: fit it and spin it to fit your theory. And

785
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 3: that is what happened in this case. However, we have

786
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 3: a survivor. She's telling her what happened to her, and

787
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 3: she's not making evidence up.

788
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: But I think those syringes are key, agreed.

789
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 5: I think that's where the case fell apart. I think

790
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 5: it fell apart on the stretch of intent. How far

791
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 5: did doctor planned this thing? And I think that's where

792
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 5: the wheels fell off. Why you didn't get the top charge,

793
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 5: you know, but I've had cases like this where we

794
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 5: were going for that top charge. We understood it was

795
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 5: a tough ask as a prosecutor who hears the word guilty.

796
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 5: After a long fight like this, I have to tell

797
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 5: you it still feels pretty damn good because you know

798
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 5: this doctor is going to atone for what he did.

799
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 5: Maybe not as long as as you wanted, but it's

800
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 5: better than the you know, the alternative, which is him

801
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 5: walking out of that courtroom.

802
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 2: Could you so true? Could I just hope she has

803
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 2: the best life moving forward and that she gets to

804
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 2: start anew and life goes on well, from your lips

805
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 2: to God's ears.

806
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 3: Right and listen, stick around, Attorney Jarrett Farentintino. We've tied

807
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 3: him down. He's going to stick around. We're going to

808
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 3: unpack the ketamine queen sentenced in the death of Matthew Perry.

809
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 3: Remember Matthew Perry, our beloved Chandler. Plus more updates in

810
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 3: the mysterious disappearance at sea in the Bahamas.

811
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812
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,240
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813
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,560
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814
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,279
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815
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 2: True Crime Tonight. So you have the man with a mission.

816
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 2: Jarrett Farentino, our in house prosecutor and attorney, if you will, so,

817
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: if you have any questions about any of the cases

818
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: we've been covering tonight, including the Gilgo Beach, Long Island

819
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 2: serial killer plea, which is major, we'd love to hear

820
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 2: from you. Eight eight eight three one crime. We are

821
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: here live, or you can always leave us a talkback, Jarrett,

822
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 2: there's been so many cases today. Also, this ketamine queen,

823
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 2: the ketamine queen is the woman who supplied our beloved

824
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 2: friend Star. You know, body was saying this earlier chandler

825
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 2: Matthew Perry, who you know, died by ketamine. And it

826
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,439
Speaker 2: turns out he was getting ketamine from illegal sources even

827
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 2: though he was struggling with drug abuse and alcoholism for

828
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 2: so so long. And listen, this woman was basically selling it,

829
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 2: like you know, she was basically a drug dealer, right,

830
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 2: So here she goes. She got sentenced today, absolutely pretty serious.

831
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 3: She's not standing on a corner, doesn't mean she's not

832
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 3: a drug dealer, right, I don't know he's standing on

833
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 3: a corner to be selling drugs nowadays. So yeah, she's

834
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 3: a drug dealer now convicted now convicted, tell us all

835
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:15,760
Speaker 3: about it.

836
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 4: Yes, Jazzviine Sanga. So this is the ketamine queen, and listen.

837
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 4: Prosecutors says that she ran a high volume drug trafficking

838
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 4: business out of her nice home in North Hollywood, and

839
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 4: it was there she marketed herself as a dealer who

840
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 4: sold exclusively to a list clientele. Body to your point,

841
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 4: not what we may envision, but this ketamine queen. Everything

842
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 4: came tumbling down from her for her back in October

843
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty three, when Matthew Perry he died. He

844
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 4: will all remember he was found dead in his hot

845
00:48:56,440 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 4: tub at his home and the lost Angela's Medical Examiner

846
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 4: office listed Matthew Perry's cause of death as acute effects

847
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 4: of ketamine and then subsequently drowning. Very sadly, and this

848
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 4: ketamine queen, she is trading in her jet set lifestyle

849
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 4: and she will be in some prison garb because she

850
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 4: was sentenced today to serve fifteen years in federal prison.

851
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: That's more than she was a federal trial. I did

852
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 2: not know that, yeah, covered when she was going in initially.

853
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 2: Remember she's the most drastically charged ketamine queen. And by

854
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 2: the way, I don't know what ketamine is. Ketamine's a

855
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 2: drug and we kind of covered this briefly, but it's

856
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 2: basically like a tranquilizer. I think they use it on horses.

857
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,439
Speaker 2: So back in the South Beach days when I used

858
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 2: to dance on tables in South Beach, not literally, but

859
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 2: people were doing ketemine. I had pictures email me if

860
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 2: you want them. No, people, you would be at a

861
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 2: club and some what do we just pass out next

862
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 2: to you? Ketymine. It's very very serious. You can go

863
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 2: into what they call a K hole. So here's Matthew

864
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:11,919
Speaker 2: Perry using ketamine as kind of a drug to help

865
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,439
Speaker 2: him get off of drugs, which it's used for for

866
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 2: PTSD and you know doctors, and it seems to work.

867
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 2: There's to interview, yeah with Molly from Southern Charms seems

868
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 2: to use it. So it has to be administered by

869
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 2: a physician, especially when somebody's recovering from drugs and alcohol

870
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 2: and this woman has the nerve to just so take

871
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 2: advantage of him. They even have texts between the ketemine

872
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 2: queen and one of her co workers basically mocking Matthew

873
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,919
Speaker 2: Perry for the prices that he was willing to pay

874
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 2: to get this fixed. The poor guy business.

875
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 4: Jared, I'm very curious to know what do you think

876
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 4: about the sentence that the ketamine queen got, which again

877
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 4: is fifteen years in federal prison.

878
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 5: I think it's appropriate, you know, just looking at those

879
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 5: text messages. For example, she was mocking Matthew Perry because

880
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 5: of his willingness to pay so much, because he was

881
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 5: so desperate to get the drug, which, in my opinion,

882
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 5: as a prosecutor, I would say, she knew damn well

883
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 5: how addicted he was. She knew damn well he couldn't

884
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 5: control having all of this ketamine. He was very likely

885
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 5: to overdose. You're handing him a nuclear bomb and it

886
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:30,879
Speaker 5: went off. You are responsible. You lived this jet set lifestyle.

887
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 5: You were the one who reaped all the benefits. You

888
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 5: were the kingpin of this operation. It's federal because it

889
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 5: was a drug conspiracy that involved interstate importation of the

890
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 5: ketamine isn't grown in, So the federal government's ability to

891
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 5: prosecute drug charges is very, very liberal. And there's an

892
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:58,720
Speaker 5: interstate component to drugs, international component to drugs, particularly ketymine,

893
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 5: So in that case they can oversee and bring those charges.

894
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 5: So that's why it's fifteen years. It's no joke, and

895
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 5: I think it's appropriate.

896
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 2: Okay, you think it's appropriate.

897
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 4: I'm going to give just a brief bit of background

898
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 4: if people aren't super familiar with the Ketamine Queen, and

899
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 4: then I want to talk about some other sentences. So

900
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:24,480
Speaker 4: this queen, she came from a really privileged background, and

901
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 4: the reason she chose to deal drugs wasn't because of

902
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 4: financial deprivation, which is what drives many, but she wanted

903
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 4: the greed, the glamour, the access to these A list people.

904
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 4: And to your point, Jarrett, she as a dealer was

905
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 4: very aware of Matthew Perry's struggles, his strong addiction, the vulnerability.

906
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 2: Yes, so gross.

907
00:52:54,480 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, and right around the time again, he died in

908
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty three, and it was at that time

909
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 4: that Matthew Perry had relapsed, and the allegation was at

910
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 4: the Ketamine Queen she took advantage profit for herself because

911
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 4: of that. Now she was one of four people who

912
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 4: were charged in connection with Matthew Perry's overdose death, and

913
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 4: her sentence, the Ketamine Queen got far and away much

914
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 4: higher sentence than the others. So again fifteen years for

915
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 4: the Ketamine Queen, but there was also two doctors. Salvador

916
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:47,720
Speaker 4: Placentia he is a doctor who supplied ketamine to Matthew Perry.

917
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 4: His sentence was two point five years in federal prison.

918
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:57,800
Speaker 4: Another doctor, Mark Chavez, he facilitated ketamine distribution with regards

919
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 4: to Matthew Perry's death, and he received eight months home

920
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 4: confinement in three years of supervised release. Another dealer, Eric Fleming,

921
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 4: was an intermediary and obtained the ketamine from the Ketamine Queen.

922
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 4: His sentence is pending, and also the sentence is pending

923
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 4: for Matthew Perry's assistant who administered the ketamine. Why the

924
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 4: disparity and sentences, Dereck.

925
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 5: Well, there could be a lot of factors in that disparity.

926
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 5: It is the first person that comes to the table

927
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 5: to meet with prosecutors and provide information gets the best deal.

928
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:41,919
Speaker 5: So think about Sammy Gravano and John Gotti. Sammy Bull

929
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,720
Speaker 5: Gravano killed a whole heck of a lot of people,

930
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 5: admitted it more than Gotti killed, and he got the

931
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 5: deal of a lifetime, got a new identity. So why

932
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 5: because Gotti was the target, the Ketamine Queen is the

933
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 5: dappor Donna. This crew, she's the most known, She's the

934
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 5: one that's got the most media cachet. And I know

935
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 5: prosecutors aren't supposed to play by those rules or think

936
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 5: about that, but the worst thing you can get is

937
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 5: a nickname when you're a defendant, because then you become

938
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 5: a target. So there's part of that. She is viewed

939
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 5: as her role in this is viewed as the top

940
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:23,800
Speaker 5: of the pyramid. She was the face of this operation.

941
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 5: Now the role of these doctors. They couldn't necessarily tie

942
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:29,959
Speaker 5: the doctors. I think the issue was, and I'm saying

943
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 5: I think because I read this some time ago, they

944
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 5: couldn't tie the doctors to his fatal dose. They were

945
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 5: providing with this at some other point, so it's not

946
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 5: leading to his death, it's leading to unlawful prescriptions with him.

947
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 5: So that's why they're sentences or lesser.

948
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 2: They had a pretty good digital format too, like they

949
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 2: were able to digitally connect the other coroberators with this

950
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 2: as well, which is different. And jump in here, Jared

951
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 2: if you disagree. You know, remember Liam Payne, the singer

952
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 2: from wonder Are Action who was in I believe Argentina

953
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 2: and he fell out of a window and allegedly one

954
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 2: of the servicemen or the hotel workers had maybe given

955
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 2: him drugs or supplied him with drugs per his request.

956
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 2: Remember Matthew Perry, let's remember also did request this drugs.

957
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 2: It's not as though he was administered drugs without him

958
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 2: realizing it, right, He was paying and he was wilfully

959
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 2: taking it. But obviously they were taking advantage of him.

960
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 2: Whereas in the Liam Payne thing, charges were never really

961
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 2: filed at that point and that sort of went away.

962
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 2: And I think that's because there was a larger a

963
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 2: larger game in play. Is that accurate?

964
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 5: Do you think it's possible? And because that transaction in

965
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,240
Speaker 5: the hotel, as you just stated, it could have happened

966
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 5: so fast. There's no digital footprint, there's no text, there's

967
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 5: no real proof, and the only other witness went over

968
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 5: the balcony, so he couldn't tell the story. He didn't

969
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 5: live to tell the tale. So with that it's a

970
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 5: little different. The other thing about Matthew Perry, and I

971
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 5: read his book. I don't know if you read the

972
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 5: book or saw his interview with Diane Sawyer, which was

973
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:14,879
Speaker 5: incredible and very fred. You know the level of addiction. Here,

974
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 5: this guy cheated death so many times, was comatose for

975
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,959
Speaker 5: a period. It was sad. Like you read that book

976
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 5: and you're pulling for him. And to know that people

977
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 5: were joking about profiting and giving him drugs, you know,

978
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 5: taking advantage. Like I know, there are victims in the world,

979
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 5: and maybe somebody doesn't feel bad for a famous, wealthy

980
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 5: person like Matthew Perry. Do yourself a favor if you

981
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 5: get a chance. Read that book. I mean, it was

982
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 5: incredible telling his story and it was in his own words,

983
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 5: and to know how it all ended is really tragic.

984
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, the vulnerability he showed and opened up. Listen,

985
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 4: if you're just joining us, this is true crime tonight,

986
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:57,480
Speaker 4: and we've been talking about the fact that the ketamine

987
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 4: queen who supply the fatal dose of ketamine to the

988
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 4: friend star Matthew Perry, she has now been sentenced to

989
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 4: fifteen years in federal prison for her dealings and body.

990
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 4: You had another story to start us, officer, some breaking news.

991
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 3: You remember the story that we told last night about

992
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 3: this woman in the Bahamas that fell overboard in the Bahamas.

993
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 3: Of course, they drifted away due to the strong currents

994
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 3: and whatnot. Well, authorities in the Bahamas have now arrested

995
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 3: her husband.

996
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 2: I mean, this is big.

997
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 3: This is a big deal of missing American woman, Lynette Hooker.

998
00:58:37,840 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 2: She's the woman who's missing.

999
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 3: And this is like a really major escalation in this

1000
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 3: case that began, you know, as a reported boating accident

1001
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 3: in his sense, drawn growing scrutiny internationally. A lot of

1002
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 3: people are paying attention to this Lynette Hooker. She's fifty

1003
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 3: five years old. She's from Michigan, and she disappeared on

1004
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,479
Speaker 3: April fourth, while you know, her and her husband were

1005
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 3: on a small dinghy in the Abaco Islands, and according

1006
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 3: to his initial account, she fell overboard. You know, there

1007
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 3: was this weather advisory, you know, set out by the

1008
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:14,760
Speaker 3: State Department and to avoid boats and you know whatnot

1009
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 3: and strong winds and all this good stuff. Well apparently

1010
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 3: maybe maybe there's something fishy here. Anyway, there were these

1011
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 3: strong currents, and he said it swept her away. She

1012
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 3: fell off the boat with the boat key. That was

1013
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 3: a critical piece of information, which shut off the engine,

1014
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 3: which prevented him from going and looking for her. Right,

1015
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 3: and so the boat drifted, he told He told authorities

1016
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 3: he paddled the disabled boat to shore. He arrived hours

1017
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 3: and hours later around four am to finally report her missing.

1018
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 3: A large scale search followed, involving the the Behamian authorities

1019
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 3: and the US Coast Guard. I got involved, but now

1020
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 3: the effort has shifted to a rescue mission. But now

1021
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 3: as the investigation is unfolded, questions about the circumstances are

1022
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 3: beginning to kind of grow. The victim's family and Lynnett

1023
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,440
Speaker 3: Hooker are the victim here, especially her daughter. She's been

1024
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 3: very vocal and has publicly challenged husband's version of events.

1025
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 3: According to Ruters and WMTV or no WMTW sorry I'm

1026
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 3: so used to saying TV, the Bahamian police have now

1027
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 3: taken the husband into custody for questioning, signaling that this

1028
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 3: case is no longer being treated purely as an accident.

1029
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 3: This is pretty big, this pretty big deal. And this

1030
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 3: is what Advardo Dame said. He's with the Royal Bahamas

1031
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 3: Police Force. He said, we took them into custody around

1032
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 3: seven thirty pm their time this evening in Abbado for

1033
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 3: additional questioning based on some probable cause we have. He's

1034
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 3: been taken into custody as a suspect. He's been arrested.

1035
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 3: Now he hasn't been charged with anything, and it's not

1036
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 3: immediately clear if he has an illegal representation. But I

1037
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 3: mean the daughter, the daughter of the victim, Carly Asworth,

1038
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 3: is the daughter, and she's reportedly, you know, really saying

1039
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 3: that there's been some previous history that is going to

1040
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 3: play into this and maybe lead it not to being

1041
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 3: an accident at all.

1042
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 2: Everybody's kind of called it.

1043
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's such a large shift.

1044
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 2: From Yeah, I have my clock set to this one,

1045
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 2: and this is very unsurprising to me, by the way.

1046
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:44,440
Speaker 2: I lost sleep over this. Just think about it. Think

1047
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 2: about like your loved one falling overboard in the night

1048
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 2: and they're at sea. Do you leave the boat to

1049
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 2: go find them, or do you stay and hope they

1050
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,480
Speaker 2: made it ashore. I would for sure leave the boat,

1051
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 2: he said. And I'm not the best piece to shore,

1052
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 2: he said. He saved his last words, but he should

1053
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 2: have swam to shore.

1054
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 5: He was very matter of fact about it in his

1055
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 5: description to her daughter, which really gave weight pause as well.

1056
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 2: That's right, so true.

1057
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're going to continue this after the break. And

1058
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 4: also there are new twists in the Epstein investigation. Subpoena's

1059
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 4: high profile names. Keep it here True Crime Tonight.

1060
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

1061
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Stephanie Leidecker here with

1062
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 2: Courtney Armstrong and body move in, and we have Jarrett Farantino,

1063
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 2: our attorney in house and our most favorite prosecutor with us.

1064
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,600
Speaker 2: Answering any of your calls, so feel free to do it.

1065
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 2: Eight eight eight three one crime. We were just talking

1066
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 2: about this really disturbing case in the Bahamas. You know,

1067
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 2: we have been discussing it really for the last few nights.

1068
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 2: This husband who claims his wife fell overboard with the

1069
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 2: boat key. The two of them were out on a

1070
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 2: lovely excursion and lo and behold she goes missing, and

1071
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 2: now there is a search and rescue operation. We all

1072
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 2: sort of, you know, felt as though his story kind

1073
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 2: of checked out. What a tragedy. Can you imagine anything

1074
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:32,680
Speaker 2: scarier than being at sea with your beloved They fall

1075
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 2: overboard with the key, what do you do? Well? In

1076
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 2: this case, he believed that she had she had maybe

1077
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 2: swam to shore, so he just you know, kind of waited,

1078
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 2: I guess to be found with her daughter, which is

1079
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:50,680
Speaker 2: not his biological daughter. It's only her daughter. Her daughter

1080
01:03:50,840 --> 01:03:53,840
Speaker 2: wasn't really buying the story as much, and we saw

1081
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 2: her interview and discussed it yesterday. She didn't seem one

1082
01:03:57,120 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 2: hundred percent convinced that the investigation is complete, and sure

1083
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 2: enough today he's been arrested. So we have Jarrett weighing

1084
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 2: and Jerry, you were mentioning before the break there it

1085
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 2: was an affect or something.

1086
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 5: She described. The affect of her mom's husband was calm.

1087
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 5: He did not seem like he is something that was

1088
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 5: an accident or tragic. He was very matter of fact

1089
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 5: when he told her they found the life.

1090
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 2: Preserver right in a voicemail.

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01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 3: Hooker Brian Hooker, he's the dad who's been arrested. He said, hello, honey,

1092
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 3: it's dad. I just got a call from Hopetown Search

1093
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 3: and Rescue and they found the flotation device that I

1094
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,160
Speaker 3: threw to mom when she fell overboard. And the daughter

1095
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 3: was like, I was in shock. I was like, my

1096
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 3: mom's missing, like what? And he she said that, you know,

1097
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 3: his monotone was or his affect was monotone and relaxed.

1098
01:04:55,800 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 2: Who leaves a voicemail like that for somebody who's missing

1099
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:02,280
Speaker 2: their mother. This is she's finding out such crucial information

1100
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,760
Speaker 2: that in and of itself is wild. But let's assume

1101
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 2: for a second in his defense, Jarrett, you'll love this,

1102
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 2: But let's just assume he's he's had a psychotic break.

1103
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 2: He's been in the he's been on the boat, he's

1104
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:18,560
Speaker 2: been at sea. Maybe he's missing his wife. He feels

1105
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 2: devastated that maybe he should have, you know, swam after her,

1106
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 2: but he didn't. He just let her die. Allegedly she's

1107
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 2: not dead. We don't know this yet. So maybe this

1108
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 2: story does have a happy ending. But in the meantime,

1109
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 2: he doesn't have much to say to help.

1110
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 8: No.

1111
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 2: In fact, I'm sorry, Corney, please.

1112
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 4: Oh what I was gonna say was this could potentially

1113
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:46,680
Speaker 4: be another case where a family member is vocal enough

1114
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 4: to push authorities toward investigation, which reminds us and I'll

1115
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 4: just mention it because it's breaking news today that Rex Huerman,

1116
01:05:56,480 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 4: the Long Island serial killer. We can say affirmatively now

1117
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 4: he has pled out, he is guilty. He allocuted today,

1118
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 4: and that is very largely because the victims' families, particularly

1119
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 4: their mothers, would not stop fighting for justice.

1120
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 3: So there's another thing that the daughter said that it's

1121
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 3: so important. So the daughter, her name is Karie Aylesworth,

1122
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 3: and she's again the daughter of the victim in this case.

1123
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 3: She said, I do believe something might have happened to her.

1124
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 3: There's history of him choking her out and threatening to

1125
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 3: throw her overboard. So the fact that this is actually

1126
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 3: happening makes me believe there's more to the story. I

1127
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 3: mean that when I read that today, I was like,

1128
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 3: oh my god, we just learned this. And she described

1129
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 3: her mom as a very fit person who wouldn't lose

1130
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 3: her balance on a boat. You know, she would be

1131
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 3: able to fight a current. You know, like she was

1132
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 3: very fit. She did a lot of exercising and you know,

1133
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 3: things like that, and she was beautifulul right. And she

1134
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:10,800
Speaker 3: said that he Brian always had the keys. He's the

1135
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 3: one who always drove the boat, so for him to

1136
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 3: say she had the keys with her was just not

1137
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 3: something that the daughter kind of thought was true. And then,

1138
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:25,960
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, I forgot Brian Hooker, the dad who

1139
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 3: just got arrested. He made a Facebook post and this

1140
01:07:29,080 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 3: is what he said. I'm heartbroken over the recent boat

1141
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 3: accident in unpredictable season high winds that caused my wife to.

1142
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:39,400
Speaker 2: That's a little too much. You know, he must feel

1143
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 2: a little guilty. Like, let's just play that out for

1144
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 2: a second. Well, Jared, what do you make of that?

1145
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,960
Speaker 2: I think we're having a problem with his connection. But

1146
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 2: oh got it. I was like, Jared's just he's just

1147
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 2: giving us a dead stare right now. I was like, Jared,

1148
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 2: you got me. You're not hypnotized. He's actually having a glitch.

1149
01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:01,440
Speaker 3: But I don't think it's interesting that Brian Hooker mentioned

1150
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 3: in this Facebook post, you know, this recent boat accident

1151
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 3: and unpredictable season high winds that caused my It's like,

1152
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 3: he's not me.

1153
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 2: Everybody knows well. And by the way, if he was

1154
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 2: being honest and this was a tragedy that something unimaginable

1155
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 2: happened on this getaway, here they are, the two of

1156
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 2: them going on a boating trip. That's like the fantasy

1157
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 2: for some you know, this turned into a complete nightmare.

1158
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 2: What if that really happened and he has to live

1159
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 2: with himself that he could have done more and that

1160
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 2: he didn't save his wife. By the way, though, why

1161
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 2: would he not be screaming from the rooftops hoping that

1162
01:08:42,439 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 2: there's somebody to find her, like she hasn't been found yet.

1163
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 2: If that were anybody here right now, you'd be swimming

1164
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 2: all night and you know, searching and rescuing. But we

1165
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 2: don't really know how people grieve, so maybe can be

1166
01:08:58,120 --> 01:08:58,680
Speaker 2: related to.

1167
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 3: That well, I mean, and sometimes you go into shop too,

1168
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 3: and yeah, likes when you see like actual victims talk

1169
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 3: about something terrible that's just happened, they are very like,

1170
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 3: you know, stone faced and like, so you just don't know, right,

1171
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 3: but the daughter knows them right. And the daughter has

1172
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 3: said there's previous incidents. I remember yesterday all we knew

1173
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 3: what there were. She said, there's previous history. We didn't

1174
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 3: know what that meant. Well, yeah, only there's history of

1175
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:27,680
Speaker 3: him choking her out words. That's his history of him

1176
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 3: choking around and threatening to throw her overboard. So were

1177
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 3: they maybe arguing on the dinghy or you know, and

1178
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 3: he was just he did it, wow, and can you.

1179
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 2: Live with you? And then yeah, putting that on Facebook

1180
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:44,439
Speaker 2: and this sort of explanation to maybe absolve himself of

1181
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 2: any guilt. Again, accidents happen. That's devastating, but sounds to

1182
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 2: me like maybe there was more to this story. I mean,

1183
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 2: obviously there is, they wouldn't have arrested him, so big

1184
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:59,120
Speaker 2: development since just yesterday. Absolutely, how have we not arrested

1185
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 2: David the popstar yet or somebody related to David the

1186
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,439
Speaker 2: pop Star. I'm not saying that David the pop Star

1187
01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:07,839
Speaker 2: needs to be arrested, but see all these arrests happening.

1188
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 2: Where is Celeste Reeves hernandez age? Fifteen's okay? Justice?

1189
01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:16,599
Speaker 3: Right? So I think we're gonna I think we're gonna,

1190
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 3: unfortunately say goodbye to Jarrett a little ur to me,

1191
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 3: there seems to be some internet problems in Pennsylvania. But listen,

1192
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:27,360
Speaker 3: Jada in South Carolina. I just found out from Jarrett

1193
01:10:27,400 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 3: that he is recording some kind of voice for his book,

1194
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,320
Speaker 3: So if you want to, if you want to purchase it,

1195
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 3: stay tuned for that you might be able to get it,

1196
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 3: and don't forget. You can follow him on Instagram at

1197
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:44,600
Speaker 3: Jarrett Farantino and also you can follow him on YouTube

1198
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 3: now as well. So go ahead and give him a

1199
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 3: follow and we'll we'll look forward to hearing from you,

1200
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 3: Jarrett next time. And we're so sorry that.

1201
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 2: We lost you. Yes, I love to Jared Courtney. What

1202
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 2: do you got?

1203
01:10:58,120 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 5: Oh?

1204
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 4: I got a lot the House Oversight Committee. Yeah, so

1205
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 4: the House Oversycle Committee is saying that former Attorney General

1206
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:12,800
Speaker 4: Pam Bondi will not testify at her scheduled deposition about

1207
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:15,560
Speaker 4: the Epstein files.

1208
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 2: Which is on the fifteenth next week. How convenient that

1209
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 2: suddenly now she's not going to testify. It was next week.

1210
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 2: So yeah, now she's fired. There's no replacement, just an

1211
01:11:27,240 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 2: interim replacement. Tell me that doesn't sound a little off kilter, right,

1212
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 2: I thought there was a replacement. It was a guy.

1213
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:42,719
Speaker 2: He's an interpropriate artificial Todd official. That's a Todd Blanche

1214
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 2: is her interium replacement until further notice, and perhaps there

1215
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 2: won't be. And he was reporting to Pambondy. And to

1216
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:56,560
Speaker 2: your point, body, that is President Trump's former criminal attorney

1217
01:11:57,080 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 2: in his private cases that he was fighting against various things.

1218
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:05,960
Speaker 2: So he is the interim person. But Pam Bondy not

1219
01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 2: having to testify to me just seems incorable. Well, we're

1220
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 2: not there yet.

1221
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 4: She is not testifying at her scheduled deposition about the

1222
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 4: Epstein files. So there's two there's kind of two sides

1223
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 4: to this coin. And if you're catching up, the House

1224
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 4: Oversight Committee they're investigating sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein's criminal network,

1225
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:36,160
Speaker 4: examining potential mismanagement of Justice Department documents, high profile connections,

1226
01:12:36,200 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 4: et cetera. Now Pambondi former US attorney So again she

1227
01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 4: will not testify next week. April fourteenth was her scheduled

1228
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 4: deposition day, and the rational that the Justice Department is

1229
01:12:51,400 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 4: giving is that Pambondy was subpoenaed in her official capacity

1230
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 4: as Attorney General and she is no longer in that role.

1231
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,320
Speaker 4: The other side to that coin I mentioned is the

1232
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:09,920
Speaker 4: committee's response, which several members are insisting that indeed Pambondy

1233
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 4: still has a legal obligation to testify, and there have

1234
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 4: also been potential threats of contempt charges should Pambondy defy

1235
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 4: a subpoena.

1236
01:13:22,760 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 2: So this is not a done deal quite yet, and

1237
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 2: many people just find it either business as usual, because

1238
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 2: you know, people change their cabinets and they change the

1239
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:39,519
Speaker 2: people who are surrounding them. And maybe it was time

1240
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 2: for Pam to go her pleasurable separate way, or is

1241
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 2: it just divine timing that just before she was actually

1242
01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 2: supposed to go before the House Oversight Committee that suddenly

1243
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 2: she's out of a job as a diversion. That's another

1244
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:56,080
Speaker 2: piece of this conversation. I guess the truth is we

1245
01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 2: don't know. I would have to assume though, Pam Bondy,

1246
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 2: who has the option right now as a woman, to

1247
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:06,640
Speaker 2: come forward and share any details that she has to

1248
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 2: maybe help the thousand plus victims that really have had

1249
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:14,680
Speaker 2: no justice whatsoever at this point, even though there are

1250
01:14:14,760 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 2: stories which were once denied have been coroborated in these

1251
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 2: Epstein files. Remember Pambondi said there was nothing to see

1252
01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:26,720
Speaker 2: in the files. We're pretty confident we can all say

1253
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 2: with clarity that's not accurate. Oh, of course not. And

1254
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 2: I do think the timing is very suss. Why wouldn't

1255
01:14:33,200 --> 01:14:35,560
Speaker 2: she just jump in and say she wants to testify

1256
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 2: because she does know all the scoop, right, she knows

1257
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 2: what isn't there, and she knows why things were redacted.

1258
01:14:42,600 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 2: She understands it. Probably the totality that Pambody probably understands

1259
01:14:47,200 --> 01:14:50,320
Speaker 2: it better than anyone exactly. She's the person that could

1260
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:53,600
Speaker 2: be the most helpful in this investigation and can be

1261
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:57,599
Speaker 2: the greatest ally to the many victims in this case.

1262
01:14:57,640 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 2: I shouldn't say victims, they refer to the selves as survivors.

1263
01:15:01,560 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 2: And I struggle with that because I feel like they're

1264
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:07,680
Speaker 2: so advictimized, you know, until they have justice, they are

1265
01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:12,720
Speaker 2: still being victimized again and again and again. And yes

1266
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:17,599
Speaker 2: they are survivors, they've survived the abuse. But isn't this

1267
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:20,759
Speaker 2: in its own way abusive? How are they not getting

1268
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 2: any level of justice when we have their complaints. They

1269
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:29,280
Speaker 2: spoke up, they went to authorities, they were interviewed by

1270
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 2: the FBI. Now they were denied. Now there's all these

1271
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:36,360
Speaker 2: files that come out that corroborate their timelines and their

1272
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:39,400
Speaker 2: stories as young girls. Now here they are as women

1273
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 2: bumping up against the same wall, and a woman is

1274
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:45,639
Speaker 2: the one that could actually help.

1275
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 4: But Stephanie, I have to say, and you know, I'm

1276
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 4: a big believer that most often past behavior determines future behavior.

1277
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:58,400
Speaker 4: Okay for you to, you know, even wonder aloud of

1278
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:01,080
Speaker 4: why wouldn't Pam Bondy want to come in as a

1279
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 4: woman and do what I one hundred percent agree would

1280
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 4: be the correct thing and common testify and share everything

1281
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:13,680
Speaker 4: that should be shared. Pambondi would not even turn to

1282
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 4: face the victims when she was asked by members of

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01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:23,120
Speaker 4: Congress to just turn around and face them, and she

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Speaker 4: would not even do that.

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01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:26,360
Speaker 2: Well, maybe she thought she was going to get fired

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01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:29,639
Speaker 2: by her boss, and now that she has been, maybe

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01:16:29,680 --> 01:16:32,240
Speaker 2: she should turn around and face the victims' families and

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01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 2: once and for all do the right thing. If she

1289
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:38,479
Speaker 2: in fact has all of this information, that can in fact,

1290
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 2: you know, excuse people from their bad behavior. But remember,

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01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:46,640
Speaker 2: this guy has so much blackmail by this guy, I

1292
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 2: mean Epstein, this guy was running a high stakes operation

1293
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 2: with blackmail. Who's to say that blackmail is not being

1294
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 2: used real time? Still, like, we should all be really

1295
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:01,519
Speaker 2: concerned that whatever this game is that Epstein was playing

1296
01:17:01,560 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 2: at a pretty high level, there's zero chance that game

1297
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 2: is not still in effect. Like what has shut that down?

1298
01:17:08,080 --> 01:17:10,840
Speaker 2: Literally nothing? We're all just kind of like, what do

1299
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 2: we do? I feel that way, But it's still happening.

1300
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 2: And if blackmail was at the center of this, and

1301
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:21,280
Speaker 2: many are saying that he is a spy, meaning Epstein

1302
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:25,960
Speaker 2: and a thousand plus girls are making you know, complaints

1303
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:29,200
Speaker 2: and have filed reports and Pam BONDI could shed some

1304
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 2: light on this. I'm really hoping she can face she

1305
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 2: can face the mirror and like face herself Marjorie Taylor Green,

1306
01:17:38,360 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 2: who was Trump's you know number one, you know, because

1307
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 2: of this issue and her love of women and her

1308
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:51,320
Speaker 2: belief in victims. She changed her her story.

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01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:51,880
Speaker 1: She did.

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01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:56,040
Speaker 2: She actually resigned from Congress. Yeah, so Pam doesn't even

1311
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:59,840
Speaker 2: have to resign. Seems like that's already happened for her, right,

1312
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:01,599
Speaker 2: She didn't have a really choice on the matter. She

1313
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 2: was fired.

1314
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,639
Speaker 3: And listen, stick around. We're gonna get to your questions.

1315
01:18:06,680 --> 01:18:08,479
Speaker 3: We're gonna be talking about all the cases you want

1316
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:11,280
Speaker 3: to talk about. We're responding to your talk. Bas to

1317
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:13,599
Speaker 3: close up the night, maybe we'll cut up a little bit,

1318
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 3: keep it right here at your Crime Tonight.

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01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 2: Welcome back to True Crime tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking

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01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,879
Speaker 2: true crime all the time. I'm Steph here with Courtney

1321
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 2: and body Taha. He can't actually hear us right now,

1322
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 2: nor can we hear him, which is wild. But we're

1323
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 2: dying to talk to him because last night he was

1324
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 2: gallivanting with the cast of Euphoria, maybe even Zindaia, and

1325
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 2: we're desperate to talk to him about it. But I

1326
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 2: think we'll have to discuss it tomorrow. So crowd, please

1327
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 2: you can.

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01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:58,759
Speaker 8: Hear but I'm gonna say that tomorrow because my connection

1329
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:02,640
Speaker 8: is really bad tonight. I'll save it for tomorrow, and

1330
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:04,919
Speaker 8: I'll just tease it by saying I had an awkward

1331
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 8: moment with a celebrity and I had a fun moment

1332
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:09,360
Speaker 8: what to one. So we'll leave it at that.

1333
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:19,320
Speaker 2: But in the meantime, smooch Accidentally, No, I don't.

1334
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 8: I'm not good with recognizing some of the young and

1335
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:23,800
Speaker 8: hot people that are current right now, so I did

1336
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 8: not know uh who someone was Sam and animals, But

1337
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:28,960
Speaker 8: I'm going to share it. I'm going to save that

1338
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 8: one for That's our perfect way to end the week

1339
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:33,639
Speaker 8: on Thursday. So we'll dig into that and I'll share

1340
01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:36,160
Speaker 8: lots of fun. But in the meantime, we have been

1341
01:19:36,200 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 8: flooded with a big talkback, so I am dying to

1342
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 8: get to some of those and hear us.

1343
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:47,160
Speaker 2: Nor can he speak? Listen, he's found his voice. Seems

1344
01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:50,600
Speaker 2: like it's working just fine. Yes, let's go to the

1345
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 2: talk back.

1346
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 10: Yes, hi, ladies, this is Sarah from Michigan. You guys

1347
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:58,639
Speaker 10: were talking about the missing Air Force general and his wife,

1348
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 10: why she waited three hours and why she was so

1349
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:04,479
Speaker 10: calm on the phone, And I kind of think if

1350
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 10: they had talked about that she came home, she knew

1351
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 10: right away what had happened. Maybe she took those three

1352
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:13,959
Speaker 10: hours to get upset, scream, cry, and then she composed

1353
01:20:13,960 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 10: herself and then she called just a thought point absolutely greatly.

1354
01:20:19,560 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 3: I mean, because she she said to the press that,

1355
01:20:22,760 --> 01:20:25,599
Speaker 3: you know, he didn't want to live the way he

1356
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 3: was moving forward in life, like I.

1357
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 2: Guess his I guess he had some deteriorating function.

1358
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:35,799
Speaker 4: Well, actually, unless this has changed, the missing general's wife

1359
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:37,880
Speaker 4: did not say that to the press. She said that

1360
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:41,360
Speaker 4: on a nine one one call. Oh that's the press. Yeah,

1361
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 4: she was speaking. And I gotta say, Sarah, I am

1362
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 4: entirely with you. If what she said is accurate, then

1363
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 4: I do think that that is, you know.

1364
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:53,599
Speaker 2: What is at the crux of it.

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01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:58,440
Speaker 4: And also I completely get if that is the situation

1366
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 4: and circumstances they were in that Uh, you know, I

1367
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 4: would understand her respecting her husband's memory, his legs absolutely so.

1368
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 2: Anyway, Yeah, and you know what, even when we were

1369
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 2: covering that case that night, even as I was going

1370
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:16,800
Speaker 2: to sleep that night, I was thinking of her and thinking, oh,

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01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 2: we were a little rough, you know, like this woman

1372
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:22,599
Speaker 2: is going through such a tough time. Who's to say,

1373
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 2: you know what a person's going to do for those

1374
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:28,880
Speaker 2: three hours. You know, we're just theorizing sometimes as well

1375
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 2: to unpack it in our heads. But I think that's

1376
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 2: a really smart observation, that three hours to kind of

1377
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 2: collect yourself, I guess. And the other side of me

1378
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 2: wishes like what if he had a change of heart

1379
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 2: or what if what if he was injured? Right?

1380
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:46,720
Speaker 3: And I think too like part of it would be

1381
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 3: like maybe not even wanting to you guys don't know

1382
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:53,400
Speaker 3: this or of one. But my stepdad went missing after

1383
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 3: my mom died. My mom was married to this great guy,

1384
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 3: but they got divorced like twenty years ago. But after

1385
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:01,880
Speaker 3: after my mom died, he went missing. And I got

1386
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:03,680
Speaker 3: a phone call because nobody could get a hold like

1387
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:05,800
Speaker 3: his friends and stuff, and they're like, Deanna, we can't

1388
01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 3: get a hold of Bell. And I was like what.

1389
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 3: So I called the police, but it took me a minute,

1390
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 3: you know, to kind of like shot a phone call.

1391
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:16,920
Speaker 3: They went and did a welfare check and he wasn't there.

1392
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 3: So I went over there the next day and I

1393
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 3: got there and everything was in place, everything was fine.

1394
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 3: It took me like a couple hours to make the

1395
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 3: phone call, like to actually officially report him missing, you know.

1396
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:32,479
Speaker 2: And three hours is nothing. You know, come home. Everyone's

1397
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:35,240
Speaker 2: missing and they must be murdered. You know. Nobody really

1398
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:37,680
Speaker 2: goes to that place in the real world. You know,

1399
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 2: you think, oh, they forgot their phone. If it's me,

1400
01:22:41,240 --> 01:22:44,280
Speaker 2: I forget my phone literally everywhere I go. That would

1401
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 2: not be particularly unusual for a family member or someone

1402
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:50,439
Speaker 2: who loves me, like you guys would just be like, oh,

1403
01:22:50,880 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 2: that's why she's not answering. She didn't answer her phone.

1404
01:22:53,280 --> 01:22:55,880
Speaker 2: It might take nine hours until you realize, wow, she's

1405
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 2: really committed to not coming back. So yeah, that's a

1406
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:01,679
Speaker 2: tough one. That's a tough case. But there does seem

1407
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:05,680
Speaker 2: to be this scientist thing that many people online are

1408
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 2: connecting dots between certain scientists and physicists who deal specifically

1409
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 2: with plasma and things that are related to either nuclear

1410
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:19,960
Speaker 2: weapons and or UFOs. I don't know what the connection is.

1411
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 2: It's just one that I'm noticing people trying to make

1412
01:23:23,200 --> 01:23:24,520
Speaker 2: at the bare minimum.

1413
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:25,280
Speaker 8: But it does.

1414
01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 3: It takes a minute to come to terms and make

1415
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 3: that make the phone call, you know, like, because now

1416
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 3: you're like officially admitting, admitting even to yourself.

1417
01:23:34,040 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 2: Right, he's missing, right, right? Cool? Exactly, So I guess

1418
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:40,639
Speaker 2: let's go to another one.

1419
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 9: Hey, guys, this is Sharon and Tampa, and this is

1420
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 9: regarding the April sixth episode where you were talking about

1421
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:50,840
Speaker 9: Justin Valdoni and Blake Lively, Melissa Gilbert and Timothy Bussfield.

1422
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 9: As far as PR is concerned, while there is a

1423
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:56,480
Speaker 9: pure expert on all the socials, her name is Molly McPherson.

1424
01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 9: I know she has spoken a lot about the Baldoni

1425
01:23:59,200 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 9: Lively case. Maybe you could have her on as an

1426
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 9: expert guest. She's amazing. Anyway, Love you guys, talk to

1427
01:24:05,320 --> 01:24:05,679
Speaker 9: you later.

1428
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:11,000
Speaker 2: Bye. What a great recommendation. Bye, We love you, Back

1429
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 2: at you the best ever. Yes, let's get let's get

1430
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:19,680
Speaker 2: the it's SmartLess. We should do that.

1431
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:25,679
Speaker 8: Do you if you can hear me? I think you can.

1432
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:27,080
Speaker 5: I agree one hundred per.

1433
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 8: I love that idea, Molly, sounds fascinating and consider it done.

1434
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:33,880
Speaker 8: We're going to reach out.

1435
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 1: Can you hear me?

1436
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 5: If we can.

1437
01:24:37,479 --> 01:24:40,439
Speaker 2: Hear you, and I'm gonna have you hear my theory.

1438
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 4: So body just talked about how you know, sometimes we

1439
01:24:44,479 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 4: as humans we need a moment to comport ourselves before

1440
01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 4: we can face some truth or explain something. I think

1441
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 4: this Taha's quote connection issue has to do with the

1442
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:58,360
Speaker 4: fact that he dropped the fact that he had an

1443
01:24:58,360 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 4: embarrassing moment with the celebrit and then he's like, Oh shoot,

1444
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:03,559
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1445
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:05,760
Speaker 5: Maybe come back tomorrow.

1446
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 2: She way too clever, manager will be happy with night.

1447
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:15,760
Speaker 2: My take, I not recognizing again. Oh no, there's a

1448
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:19,959
Speaker 2: bad connection, Taha. Oh shoot, I'm going to say, Zendaya

1449
01:25:20,120 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 2: is so beautiful. I literally can't take it. I love

1450
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:26,040
Speaker 2: her so much, and I love Tom Holland Holland so much,

1451
01:25:26,120 --> 01:25:29,680
Speaker 2: both of them and Sierra from Summer House. I know

1452
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:31,600
Speaker 2: you guys aren't following, but we tried to give you

1453
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 2: the scoop. She was at the premiere last night as well,

1454
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 2: in that two piece black number.

1455
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 8: Yes, she was there, And I'll send you guys a

1456
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 8: little group picture because I did send it to Sam

1457
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:46,760
Speaker 8: and Adams. So I did get to hugged shows with

1458
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:47,880
Speaker 8: one celebrity person.

1459
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:49,080
Speaker 5: It was Sydney Sweeney.

1460
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 8: So that was my my little exciting moment. I'm going

1461
01:25:53,240 --> 01:25:55,280
Speaker 8: to fill you in when I when I have a

1462
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:55,879
Speaker 8: better connection.

1463
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 5: But I will say one.

1464
01:25:56,760 --> 01:25:58,040
Speaker 8: Other quick last thing about it.

1465
01:25:58,160 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 1: I actually had a.

1466
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 8: Nice long conversation with the intimacy coach from that show,

1467
01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:05,920
Speaker 8: and it's brought me back to this whole Blake Lively moment.

1468
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 8: So we had a moment talking about that as well.

1469
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:10,719
Speaker 8: So it's just it was so full circle that everything

1470
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:13,120
Speaker 8: that I'm working on now is in there at that

1471
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:13,639
Speaker 8: moment too.

1472
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:15,640
Speaker 5: But again, enough about me.

1473
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 8: I want to hear from our listeners, and I'm going

1474
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 8: to toss it back to another talk back.

1475
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:22,320
Speaker 2: One of the white Sam and I Adam got the

1476
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 2: picture of Sidney Sweeney and the three of us, did it.

1477
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:28,479
Speaker 2: Do you like them more than us? Yeah, we're really

1478
01:26:28,479 --> 01:26:30,680
Speaker 2: close to the tah. We're really close to taha. I

1479
01:26:30,680 --> 01:26:33,599
Speaker 2: don't know. Do you guys have a side chain other

1480
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:35,880
Speaker 2: than the group text that we're all on. Is there

1481
01:26:35,880 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 2: a side group text?

1482
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:41,080
Speaker 8: Well, there's one for the technical issues. And I knew

1483
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 8: that they would make sure Jared was connected properly if

1484
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:45,719
Speaker 8: they saw a pretty picture of Sidney Sweeney.

1485
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:47,200
Speaker 5: So my plan worked.

1486
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:49,400
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it.

1487
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:50,479
Speaker 2: Didn't really work that well.

1488
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:58,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, was a little sideways. Actually, I mean, we live

1489
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 4: such different lives. Exciting moment has to do with the

1490
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:06,479
Speaker 4: Red Carpet, Zandaia and Sydney Sweete. My exciting moment was

1491
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:10,040
Speaker 4: like some brisket on sale last week and you know

1492
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 4: sunscreen two for one.

1493
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:13,759
Speaker 8: That's why that sounds equally.

1494
01:27:13,800 --> 01:27:14,439
Speaker 5: It's fun to me.

1495
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 8: I would trade places any day with you, so.

1496
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 2: Together on that noble world, it's like the best case

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Speaker 2: scenario for both of you.

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Speaker 5: Yes, it's a win win, all right.

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Speaker 8: I want to get to this doc that I'm dying

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01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,839
Speaker 8: to talk about because it's something we were talking about earlier,

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01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 8: an organization that is tied in with Rex. Let's hit

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01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 8: that talk about and talk back and go into that

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01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 8: a little.

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, I.

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Speaker 11: Wanted to offer another documentary that's kind of a little

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01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 11: bit lighter, and it's called Mastermind to Think Like a Killer.

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01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 2: It's from twenty twenty four.

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01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:49,439
Speaker 11: It's on Hulu and it has Am Burgess in it,

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01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 11: which is really cool because she was the first woman

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01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 11: in the bau. Emily from North of Boston, Thank you

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01:27:55,240 --> 01:27:56,360
Speaker 11: so much for my hoodie.

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01:27:56,439 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 2: That jugger is so comfy.

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01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 11: It's so soft, and I appreciate it.

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01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 2: We have a big meeting tomorrow at iHeart John Peak.

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01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:09,719
Speaker 2: We're coming for you, looking for more sweatshirts. So yes,

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01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:14,679
Speaker 2: the sweatshirt order is in and tomorrow say it in person.

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01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 2: But yeah, we're at We're at hoodies like hotcakes. They

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01:28:18,520 --> 01:28:19,439
Speaker 2: went like hotcakes.

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01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:23,360
Speaker 3: So this documentary that you recommended, I'm in one hundred percent.

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01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:27,000
Speaker 3: I'm obsessed with Ann Burgess. If you guys don't know,

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01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 3: mine Hunter is literally the best show on Netflix. And

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01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:32,640
Speaker 3: I have two shows on Netflix, so for me to

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01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:35,120
Speaker 3: say that, it's a lot, right, It's literally the best

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01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:40,280
Speaker 3: show ever. And the the doctor Wendy Carr in mind

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01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:45,840
Speaker 3: Hunter is based on Ann Burgess and and she's a

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01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 3: pioneering psychiatric nurse. She helped develop the FBI's BAU, which

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01:28:51,479 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 3: is the Behavioral Analysis Unit. They're the ones who will

1528
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:58,759
Speaker 3: do all the criminal profiling with you know, the famous

1529
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 3: John Douglas and of course Jim Clementi, who I mentioned.

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01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:06,639
Speaker 3: She worked very closely with the FBI Behavioral Science Unit,

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01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 3: interviewing so many violent offenders. And the thing about it

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01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:15,759
Speaker 3: is she's so personable. She's a very funny, she's charming,

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01:29:16,360 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 3: one of the smartest ladies I've ever seen. She goes

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01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:22,040
Speaker 3: on YouTube all the time. I'm obsessed with her. She's

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01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:25,040
Speaker 3: were on the show. Oh we should. I would, I

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01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:28,720
Speaker 3: would die. I would die. She's again, and she's in

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01:29:28,760 --> 01:29:29,840
Speaker 3: this this new dog the world.

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01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 2: It's not new.

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01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:31,880
Speaker 3: I think it's a I think it's about a year old.

1540
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:34,759
Speaker 3: It's I think it's old. I've seen it. It's great,

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01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:40,600
Speaker 3: it's fantastic. She was one of the first women involved

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01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:42,280
Speaker 3: in building modern profiling.

1543
01:29:42,360 --> 01:29:45,640
Speaker 2: I mean, she's a pioneer. I am dying to see it.

1544
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:48,000
Speaker 2: I don't even know how, I've never even heard. She's awesome.

1545
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:50,439
Speaker 2: I know her and I know her work obviously, and

1546
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:54,840
Speaker 2: of course you detect your documentary. She's so good, best

1547
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 2: in all the land on Netflix. Don't mind Hunter is

1548
01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:01,720
Speaker 2: such a good A secret vote and we vote for you.

1549
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:04,759
Speaker 2: Mind Hunter is such such a good show.

1550
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:08,960
Speaker 3: And Wendy Carr doctor Wendy Carr in mind Hunter is

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01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:12,400
Speaker 3: one based on amberges one hundred percent.

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01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:15,280
Speaker 2: It's incredible, such a good show.

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01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:19,160
Speaker 4: That's a great It is such a so nominal. Should

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01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:23,640
Speaker 4: be our next true crime. And Hill, Uh, it's quite long.

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01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:27,320
Speaker 3: Mastermind to Think like a Killer, I think is only

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01:30:27,360 --> 01:30:28,040
Speaker 3: like one episode.

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01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:30,400
Speaker 2: Excuse me, I thought she were talking about the series.

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01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 3: Oh my is my excellent show, but the one I

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01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:36,599
Speaker 3: think that we should maybe consider doing.

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01:30:36,720 --> 01:30:41,280
Speaker 2: Is the one, uh that she recommended, this one that's

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01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:45,640
Speaker 2: called Mastermind. Yeah, let's do it. I think I'll do it.

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01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:47,320
Speaker 2: I'm going to do it so in line with kind

1563
01:30:47,320 --> 01:30:49,000
Speaker 2: of I think what the show is all about too,

1564
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:51,920
Speaker 2: because we're always trying to understand and unpack and get

1565
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 2: in the mind. So I would love to watch that.

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01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:56,920
Speaker 2: That's an excellent recommendation.

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01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:00,479
Speaker 3: And it's lighthearted. It's not like super scary or sei,

1568
01:31:00,600 --> 01:31:02,800
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Anne has a really good personality.

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01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:08,559
Speaker 3: She's very warm, and she's not like, uh, you know,

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01:31:09,240 --> 01:31:10,840
Speaker 3: she's not like stiff or anything.

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01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:15,600
Speaker 2: She's great. She's awesome. I want her stiffer. No, I

1572
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:20,479
Speaker 2: want her to live a millionayeres like she's Yeah, she's precious.

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01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:22,840
Speaker 3: And you know, it might help us in the future,

1574
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:25,960
Speaker 3: like really understand like sentencing, where they're going to be

1575
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:29,000
Speaker 3: working with you know, the FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit, you

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01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:30,400
Speaker 3: know what I mean, It might help, but it might

1577
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:35,559
Speaker 3: help us moving forward, talk about how important that unit

1578
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 3: is and how you know, they're really set up to

1579
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:42,120
Speaker 3: save lives and the more offenders they get to talk to,

1580
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:45,840
Speaker 3: the smarter they become and the safer we become as

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01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:46,600
Speaker 3: a civilization.

1582
01:31:48,360 --> 01:31:52,280
Speaker 2: I was wondering if Brian Cooberger behind bars during you know,

1583
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:55,400
Speaker 2: obviously he's the person who pled out to Idaho four

1584
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:59,280
Speaker 2: when he saw the ruling today and the plea deal

1585
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:02,799
Speaker 2: with the Long Island serial killer and them using his brain.

1586
01:32:03,520 --> 01:32:07,760
Speaker 2: I wondered if that bothered him, if maybe Brian Coburger

1587
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:11,360
Speaker 2: was irritated, like what about my brain? I committed a

1588
01:32:11,439 --> 01:32:13,640
Speaker 2: very big prime. You know, if you go is in

1589
01:32:13,760 --> 01:32:17,919
Speaker 2: play or you know, or they feel maybe a little guilty,

1590
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:21,800
Speaker 2: you know, and want their brain to be used in

1591
01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:26,759
Speaker 2: some way to prevent these kinds of killers from living again.

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01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:29,640
Speaker 3: I think it will happen. I think I think it

1593
01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:32,080
Speaker 3: will happen with them. I don't know if they only

1594
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:35,200
Speaker 3: look at serial offenders. And of course Brian Coburger is

1595
01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:38,840
Speaker 3: not a serial killer, right, No, we know what and

1596
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:44,120
Speaker 3: I people mass murdered. It's no reason, really loose reasons.

1597
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:48,640
Speaker 3: I think he would have become a serial killer. I do, Yeah,

1598
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:51,599
Speaker 3: so they might maybe they will, I don't know. I mean, listen,

1599
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:55,640
Speaker 3: maybe if we watch this documentary, we'll know we're all theorializing.

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01:32:55,760 --> 01:32:57,240
Speaker 3: I guess we have to go back to the talk

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01:32:57,280 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 3: packs we'll watch. So let's set the day.

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01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:01,679
Speaker 2: Kaa, you're so excited you can you get to set

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01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:02,280
Speaker 2: the tate the.

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01:33:02,320 --> 01:33:05,080
Speaker 8: Date I will create And I'm actually going to really

1605
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:07,000
Speaker 8: try to reach out to her as well, because how

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01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:12,639
Speaker 8: amazing would it be to be like but I actually, yeah, great, Okay,

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01:33:13,479 --> 01:33:16,400
Speaker 8: I think that's great. All right, Well I consider it done.

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01:33:16,600 --> 01:33:18,040
Speaker 8: That's a fun one Sunday.

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01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:21,639
Speaker 2: Yes, we'll all be dalled up in our Sunday best.

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01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:23,439
Speaker 2: And by the way, we have a big show tomorrow

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01:33:23,479 --> 01:33:28,880
Speaker 2: to Thursday. We have that dea agent Layton. So you guys,

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01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:31,120
Speaker 2: we've been talking about this behind the scenes quite a bit.

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01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:36,040
Speaker 2: You know, he's exceptional. Since we have you what were

1614
01:33:36,040 --> 01:33:37,200
Speaker 2: you going to say about him?

1615
01:33:38,160 --> 01:33:41,120
Speaker 8: Oh, that he's fantastic. I had a quick conversation with

1616
01:33:41,240 --> 01:33:44,679
Speaker 8: him this afternoon. It's he's going to dig into wire

1617
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:47,519
Speaker 8: tapping with and how he's been involved with these like

1618
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:51,280
Speaker 8: drug gangs. He's like, it's incredible, Like everything he does

1619
01:33:51,439 --> 01:33:53,160
Speaker 8: is super fascinating. I think you guys are going to

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01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:56,679
Speaker 8: love it. So it's a big show me too, I know, right.

1621
01:33:56,720 --> 01:34:00,080
Speaker 8: Plus we'll probably get more info on Rex's humorman, so

1622
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:01,080
Speaker 8: we're gonna dig into that a.

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01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:01,639
Speaker 6: Little bit more.

1624
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:04,120
Speaker 8: So we've got a lot tomore to look forward to,

1625
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 8: and this has been so much fun with you guys.

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01:34:06,120 --> 01:34:09,360
Speaker 2: I love you, but we're not Sydney Sweeney but we

1627
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:13,120
Speaker 2: love you too. Yeah, I love you too. Stay save everyone,

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Speaker 2: good night,