WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: Teedra Moses 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:09.800 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeart Radio. Ladies 0:00:09.840 --> 0:00:13.840 and gentlemen, Welcome to Question Love Supreme. I'm your host 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:21.200 Quest Love or had you realize the voice drop a 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:22.759 few really right? 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:27.240 That we got jokes? 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:30.600 I'm sorry, I'm just saying, when you know the weird 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:32.479 O Younger Big Show, I was like, hey, guys, were 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:40.239 younger be here? From when Teacher's here. I'm like, if 0:00:40.280 --> 0:00:48.879 you've reached the ladies and gentlemen, this is Quest Love Supreme. 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:52.520 I'm your host Quest Love, Wait interest hit me? Should 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:56.040 I even say that we're you know, how is Webby 0:00:56.680 --> 0:01:00.080 legit enough for us to be like for that to 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.360 be the preface to our title, like the Webby. 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:06.800 Winning, Webb winning Image nominated? 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:07.640 You know what? 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:10.920 Who beat us? 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:12.040 Was that? Jamil? 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:16.480 Yeah? Okay, yeah, spread the love. 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:18.360 Spread the love anyway, miir? 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:20.880 If you try to say Webby winning enough times, it'll 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:22.280 be a hit on podcast. 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:25.080 Yes, I don't know. I still feel some sort of 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:28.680 way that you know, we we've been Webby winning for 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:32.440 the longest, they haven't given us our first award, so 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:37.360 damn like, wait of it, yo, guys, this is this 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:42.640 is this is notable. Mm hmm normally like you if 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:50.280 it's like Lenny Kravitz on the show or someone of noting. No, 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:54.600 but I mean, like, okay, so thank you. 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:55.440 You can't show up. 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:56.880 You know what I'm saying. 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:59.000 I've been around that seeing what should look like. I said, 0:01:59.040 --> 0:01:59.920 I shoud command to wound. 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:04.200 So I'm like, is matching her Lenny Kravit's energy right now? 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:11.560 Hager coming to play anyway? Yeah, so like you, Well, 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:14.000 obviously you're fine because you know you got new art, 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:16.200 working fans and everything behind you. 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:16.760 Oh I'm good. 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:18.160 I just can I just say something real QUI because 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:19.440 I usually don't. Sare no news about what I do 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:21.880 outside this show, but I'm just very excited number one 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:23.840 shout out some of other podcast loving Grid and Ja 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:27.760 dot L. But also because me and my godmother Diana 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:29.560 Williams are producing a book for my dad on all 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:31.880 his photography. We're gonna self published, and today we got 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:34.040 the word that a big publisher is like, I won't end, 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:34.680 So I just want to. 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:39.240 Let's go fucking go congrat. 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:41.480 What was this? What was this era of photography? 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:45.920 If you don't from the fifties to like the late eighties, 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:48.280 and I'm talking like from you know. He was the 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:50.440 photographer at the White House during the first met Black 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:51.160 Music Month event. 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:52.280 He's from the. 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:54.560 March on Washington to the twenty year anniversary, to make 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:55.919 it a holiday, just all the stuff. 0:02:56.160 --> 0:03:00.640 We we got to interview ya one day, just so 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:06.880 we can find out about ourselves, all right. So, Bill, 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:11.839 even though I know that you're not Team in Canto, yeah, 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.560 I'm still acting like you are. I know, because all 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:16.160 your peeps are you know about to. 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:19.720 I mean, I'd love to be team money Bags along 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:20.920 with being Team in Canto. 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:28.079 But you you created the thriller of Broadway albums. Yo? Yes, 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:30.800 so did you? My Hamlet a nice? So? I know 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:32.680 your Hamilton checks that are really nice? 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:35.240 They're okay? 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:38.760 So, uh, my girlfriend and I are getting a new condo. 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:39.960 Yes he said, yes, he said it. 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:44.560 So wait a minute, you're moving out of what we 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:49.160 can I'm staying in this place. But my girlfriend they're 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:51.840 selling we rented there, they're selling her place, so we're 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:52.920 buying a new place. 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:54.560 Well that's good man. 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:58.080 I'm not getting married. Everyone stopped with the knowing league 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.720 and everything. I've already been married. 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:06.240 I don't believe you, because Fante I was listening. I 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:09.000 happen to be listening to a classic episode when Fante 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:11.120 was happily divorced and thought that was how I was. 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:16.240 Like, yeah, good old days. 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:19.640 I mean, you know, we should all have blistened happiness 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:26.840 that includes you to Steve happiness what Yeah, happiness is okay, 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:28.560 all right, we're happiness his thing? 0:04:29.080 --> 0:04:33.000 Uh fanticolo? How man, everything's good, Man good. I'm happy 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:35.040 to have teacher here today. There's been a long time coming. 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:37.359 I feel like she's really one of the kind of 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:41.360 chronical unsung heroes of the genre, and I'm just really 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:43.600 happy to get her story today. So this has been 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:44.719 this is dream come true for me. 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:47.000 Man still too young for unsung. 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:51.000 Yeah song, but you know, yeah. 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:59.560 We're singing her well. Yeah. As as uh Fante mentioned 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:03.240 about our aforementioned guests, I'm gonna actually make it, Afro 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:07.320 mentioned there you go. I knew that that bill would 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:11.440 instantly prove that there you go we'd be winning. And 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:14.680 Afro mentioned the two words that were you know, make 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:21.320 it official. O. Our guest today is an awesome, awesome 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:27.520 singer songwriter hailing from the city of Knowledge. Yes, I 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:33.160 heard that residence of does not like us, saying Knowledge 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:34.680 we don't care what you do. 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:35.520 It's just high. 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:43.560 I already know where this episode is going on, having 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:48.039 having written, having written for the for the likes of 0:05:48.960 --> 0:05:53.719 Mary J. Blige, n Via Nivia, Navia, Nivia. I gotta, 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:57.200 I gotta, you know, I gotta get the Lucien and 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:02.880 the human right getting correct. I gotta get it. Okay, 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:11.600 She's named after the Lucien's first It's also Macy gray Rock, 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:15.880 feels Neo, many others that we could name her now 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:21.400 debut classic, the almost twenty years old Complex Simplicity, was 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:25.320 released to critical claim in two thousand and four, instantly 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:29.080 granting her praise from critics and a very loyal fan base. 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.440 We're very happy that she's doing us the honor of 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:35.880 chopping and mixing us for this long overdue conversation. Ladies 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:38.600 and gentlemen, please welcome to Quest of Supreme the one 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:40.360 and only Tidra Moses. 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:43.720 Yes, sir, Hello, Hello, Yeah. 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:45.240 I think I'm gonna have to pull me some congyak 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:51.640 for this one, dude. 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.680 Now, really truly wish this was a visual show, because 0:06:55.560 --> 0:07:00.360 this is the exact backdrop that Denise Williams was in 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:05.640 episode classic black and white photo above it and you know, 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:13.040 an empty there you go. Damned anyway, how were you? 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:15.400 Were you right now as we speak? 0:07:15.480 --> 0:07:16.480 I'm in l A right now. 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:19.640 I live in Miami, though I'm oh. 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:23.000 Oh, okay, you live in Miami. I see, I see. Well, 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.680 you know, thank you for coming to the show. I 0:07:26.680 --> 0:07:29.320 have to say, I think did you ever come to 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:33.720 any of our grammy jams? I think we played together once, yes, 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:36.160 but I don't think we've ever spoken. 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:39.880 We've played together, we've spoken like I think it was 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:44.800 like a text or something once, yeah, but never really like, hey, 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:45.400 what's up? 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:52.320 I feel like this is all right talking there you go, 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:56.120 long overdue, long overdue? All right, Well, I'll start like 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:59.240 I start with everyone else where. Okay, so where were 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.960 you born? I know that you're hailing from New Orleans, 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:04.760 but I don't know if you were born there. 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.040 I was born in Jefferson Parish, which is right outside 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:12.080 of Orleans Parish, and that's pretty much New Orleans. So 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:15.720 I was born in Kenna, Louisiana, which is like the 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:17.400 suburbs of New Orleans. 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:18.760 Okay, gotcha? 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:24.920 So New Orleans and Jason, what uh your family situation 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:28.080 is it? Is it siblings or your parents? 0:08:29.240 --> 0:08:33.880 I have two sisters, two brothers. Four of us are 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:35.360 from my mom and dad, and one is just from 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:37.080 my dad. Old gotcha. 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:41.040 Can you tell us what your first musical memory was? 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:47.520 Team Marie. My cousin was moving into a house behind 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:50.120 my t t's house, and we cut a gate in 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:52.840 because everybody, you know, in the South, we all. 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:54.719 Live around each other and only lives around each other, so. 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.320 We would cut gates or or cut like little paths 0:08:57.320 --> 0:08:59.560 to go to someone's house. And we tore the gate 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:04.040 back from my teach's house to my cousin who was 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.200 moving to the house behind. And the whole time she 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:09.319 was unpacking, she was just playing that square of it 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:12.640 is a I was really little, but that shit was hard. 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:14.760 I loved it. I just I was a little kid 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:18.959 loving Tein Marie. That's my first. I guess gospel was 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:21.440 my first, because church. But the first time I really 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:22.480 was excited was. 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:26.040 Teamory because it must be magic album. 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:30.160 That was your yeah, that one, Yes they lost you, 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:32.760 that yeah, It's so good. And she was just unpacking 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:36.160 and dancing and like all in her song. It was 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:38.960 her first place, you know, And I was just watching that. 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:40.280 I was loving the music. 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:41.280 And I was supposed to be helping, but I was 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:41.959 a little kids. 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:44.440 I couldn't really help. But that's my first memory of music. 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:49.840 Yeah, did you uh uh any experience like did you 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:54.079 go through church as a singer or no. 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:57.640 I watched, and I think church made me feel like 0:09:57.679 --> 0:09:59.600 I wasn't going to be I felt like I wasn't 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:03.960 good enough. I had a sweet, little soft voice and 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:08.120 church like. I come from Southern Mathist church and my 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:10.880 mother was also a singer in the church. She was 0:10:10.960 --> 0:10:13.200 really big in our church, singing it in like on 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:15.040 the southern shippming. 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:16.120 Circuit of gospel. 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:19.200 So they had such really powerful voices that I think 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:21.160 I just never thought I was good enough. 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:26.360 What was your mother's name, Shirley Moses? Okay, and so 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:29.680 she pretty much for the same thing, a mire. 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:31.440 That's so weird that you said she was looking like that. 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:37.280 I was like, exactly didn't have a gospel southern gospel 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:40.280 belter voice, so she felt like, you know, she had 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:43.880 a sweet songbird voice, and she just didn't feel like 0:10:43.920 --> 0:10:47.120 she belonged. So okay, So you just tried to just 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.560 blend in with the the the rest of the choir. 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:52.320 You didn't do or anything. 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:56.240 No, and I left New Orleans kind of before I 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:59.079 developed my voice. I would walk around the house singing 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:01.200 and sing in the shower sink to the radio, but 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:03.480 I had to develop my voice. Yet I didn't develop 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:06.040 my voice. So I got to California like high school, 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:09.600 so I was I was a little and while I 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:12.280 was in by the time we got to California, we 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:13.960 didn't really go to church as much. And it wasn't 0:11:14.000 --> 0:11:17.640 sudden back it's it was just more like non the national, 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:21.240 not the dominational type music, which is totally different. 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:27.040 Okay, your experience in New Orleans is it? Could you 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:32.800 describe what the environment was? You know, oftentimes I think 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:36.600 everyone in New Orleans either you know, has second line 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:40.280 experiences or you know, it's it's almost like if if 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:44.000 if the movie Fame were a city, I would imagine 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:47.560 it would be New Orleans where people just bust out, 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:49.720 like you know, everyone has to sing or do something 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:54.520 musical just to just to live or breathe or whatever. 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:58.000 Was that the experience were you down there, like it's. 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:01.240 Just music everywhere all day, even if it's not down 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:04.640 to like, but even it's not as as extensive as 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:07.480 the second line. You know, you in New Orleans. It's 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:10.880 music and partying all the time, music, partying and. 0:12:10.880 --> 0:12:13.120 Drinking and drink and eating. 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:13.880 And eating and eating. 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:16.360 This is happening to New Orleans. 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:19.719 I just know, pounds. You just gotta just just give 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:20.880 yourself that grace because you. 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:26.440 Know exactly, here's such thing as being a pescatarian or vegetary. 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:28.640 You can't do anything of that stuff. Then you just eat, 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:28.920 you know. 0:12:31.480 --> 0:12:32.360 No, no, that's just. 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:38.559 It's like in New Orleans. Growing up in Orleans' music 0:12:38.600 --> 0:12:41.719 everywhere from you know, jazz on the streets if you're 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:44.400 in the city, you know, to gospel gospels, very very 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:48.200 big there, zodical, you know. Then they came Bounce, and 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:50.640 hip hop was always big for us. But before Bounce, 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:53.360 we just listened to New York hip hop, you know. 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:56.720 So it was like more based on that and music everywhere. 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:59.880 I don't ever recall, like even in the school I went. 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:03.360 I went to all black school, private school by the 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:05.680 name of Saint John of Walk, and we had choir 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:07.640 and our teacher was a lady named the Shatters who 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:10.199 passed not too long ago, but she's like the first 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:12.160 person that kind of showed me my voice. We just 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:17.559 had music everywhere, Sunday's on church, Tuesdays and Wednesdays or 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:20.200 whatever for choir her So you know, all my brother 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:24.520 and his turn to music everywhere. We had block parties, 0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:27.200 and then outside of that then you do have second 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:28.880 lines and it's just music everywhere. 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:31.520 It to the point that you don't even notice it. 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:33.880 It's just that I wanted to ask you a question 0:13:34.280 --> 0:13:38.480 since you're from the area, about zydaco, because that's just 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:41.560 a kind of music that we didn't really into Carolinas, 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:43.960 we didn't really get a lot of it, but like 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:47.640 a lot of my homies like Louisiana, Texas, you know 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:50.960 what I'm saying, And it has a big black following. 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:52.920 Like I followed a lot of like dance stuff on 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:56.320 ig like a lot of dancers and there's like some 0:13:56.600 --> 0:14:01.359 zydacal dance like they were doing them. Motherfuckers was getting it. 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:04.679 It's not it's not stepping, it's like a it's it's 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:07.160 you dance because you're dancing close, like the man and 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:09.040 the woman danced close, so it's not like a step, 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:11.160 but it's crazy dance. 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:13.480 I just know the music. 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:15.520 It was a club them man, they was getting it. 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:18.120 Duing cowboy hats and it was all brothers, like brothers. 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:21.160 I've never seen side because all my black all my 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:25.480 side of experiences are like the white guys, well there are. 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:28.120 Because it's it's a little bit more cajun Ish than Creole, 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:32.280 you know what I'm saying. It's more Cajun Gatorish than Creole, 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:35.240 which Cajun and you know, Cajun and Creole is totally different, 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:37.000 kind of like white white. 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:41.320 Basically you know, more black, which part is which the 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:42.200 black part. 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:47.640 Creole Creole is black and French African and French, and 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:51.320 then the Cajun is more from when uh, the Louisiana 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:54.120 purchase happened, and it went all the way into Canada 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:57.400 and then they migrated down the Canadians, the French Canadians 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:00.400 migrated down to Louisiana, and they're kind of like above us. 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:02.920 They're not really in the bottom. They're not at the 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:05.400 bottom with us, the Creole people, but they mixed eventually 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:09.520 came down. But it's more like here's a simple thing. Creole, 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:15.680 we eat our gumbowl with rice, okay, with with like 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:17.840 when they eating it with. 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:22.880 Potato salad is totally different yet exactly it's just totally 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:29.720 different Cajus white French from Canada, Creole African French. 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.360 Okay, so since you open the door, now I gotta ask, 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:37.560 are your culinary skills as good as your musicals? 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:41.840 I can cook, I can really cook. But here's the thing, 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:44.480 I started trying to be healthy, so I have to 0:15:44.520 --> 0:15:46.280 go back to my old ways to really you know, 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:48.600 throw it down for you. Like I don't use buttering 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:50.960 everything anymore, but I use butter and everything. But I'm 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:52.920 cooking cook because that's the base of all the food 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:55.120 really good. But you know what I mean. So I 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:56.360 can cook. I can definitely. 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:59.640 I mean, nobody's gonna leave my table, not keys or 0:15:59.680 --> 0:15:59.960 my bad. 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:05.280 But that's the whole story. 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:08.040 Believe this is what I'm seeing. 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:15.280 Yeah, Like, what's you're trained to do in the South? 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:17.160 You train in those areas you go you know, you 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:18.280 go hard in those areas. 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:20.200 Your bedroom, your kitchen, you get that together. 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:23.080 You got everything that got mean your workout game must 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:23.760 be amazing. 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:26.920 Okay, yeah, because you gotta have energy and you gotta 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:27.400 have room. 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:33.760 Okay, And I'm at Wallstford's written now I forgot interview. 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:37.400 So I was thinking about you. You're talking about your 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:40.960 l A days. I didn't know talk about your days 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:43.800 with the Good Life Cafe that I understood you came 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:44.600 up kind of around that. 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:48.920 So, yeah, I moved to la at fourteen, and I 0:16:49.000 --> 0:16:49.440 moved to l A. 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:49.800 I moved. 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:51.800 I didn't move to l A. I moved to West Covina, 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:53.040 which is in the valley. 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:53.680 Oh wow. 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:57.320 And so we would travel into the city to get 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:01.880 because I moved from New Orleans to West Kobina the valley. 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:05.040 It was culture shock. So I found friends that came 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:06.560 from you know, their parents have taken me out of 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:08.520 the city because it's gangs and stuff like that into 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:10.040 the valley. And so I found friends that I could 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:12.560 travel into the city way and we found Good Life 0:17:12.600 --> 0:17:14.479 and the murd Park and all that stuff. And it 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:19.280 was just an unbelievable movement, you know, of musicians and 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:22.879 hip hop. And I also was with my sons, my 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:25.639 children's father Raskaz, and so he kind of would I 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:27.440 was kind of like a running around with him and 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:31.240 I would just it was amazing. It was in retrospect, 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:33.520 we didn't know then what it was, but in retrospect 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:36.239 it was kind of like a big pot of all 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:38.800 these creative people and it just kind of spilled and 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:41.639 bled onto you. You know, you learned about things that 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:44.240 I knew jazz, but I didn't know the kind of jazz, 0:17:44.280 --> 0:17:46.919 and they were telling me about I knew about hip hop, 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:48.359 I didn't know like what you know. It was just 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:51.760 like a really really great community of young musicians and 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:53.520 young creative and not all musicians. 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:56.480 Who else was in the Good Life Because I think 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:59.199 for some folks who never heard of it, well I 0:17:59.280 --> 0:17:59.920 wasn't in it. 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:05.560 I would witness it. I would witness it because they 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:08.440 would have these functions and you know people right. 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:11.520 The one that I probably would probably was more verse. 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:12.199 With was Unity. 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:14.320 Bigger b I think his name was. 0:18:14.359 --> 0:18:17.200 He did this thing called Unity, Yeah, and he had 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:20.280 this thing where he would bring all of these different 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:22.520 artists to LA. It was like the first person to 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:25.160 bring all these different artists to LA. I knew Good 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:26.760 Life and I would be around that. But what I 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:29.320 paid attention to more so is when rads would go 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:31.720 to a Good Life. I mean, I give a Unity 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:34.359 and we would see like boutang plan all these different 0:18:34.400 --> 0:18:37.200 people that really weren't coming to LA, you know when 0:18:37.240 --> 0:18:40.480 they were first starting. But Good Life was more something 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:43.679 that I was around a few times. Unity was to 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:46.280 me the thing that I don't think it's talked about 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:49.600 enough in l A. Bigger B had a whole movement. 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:51.879 I think the first person that kind of had this 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:54.560 going on, it was pre my time was the Uncle 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:58.640 Jam Army guys. Yeah, but Bigger B was like that 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:01.800 for real hip hop, true hip hop. 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:03.440 Lovers, you know, And I was just kind of like 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:04.399 a tag along the rest. 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:08.680 Oh no, no, I was gonna say that. It just hit 0:19:08.760 --> 0:19:16.040 me that my first year at Fallon, this new filmmaker 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:22.120 named Avert Deverney came to interview me. I believe her 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:25.919 first film project was about the Good Life Cafe. I 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:28.320 think it was called This Is It was called this 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:33.120 is the Life I think. Yeah, but has that has 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:35.560 that officially? Have you guys seen it? Has it officially 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:35.920 come out? 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:37.480 Or I thought it was. Yeah, it was a show 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:41.720 I think, I think I don't really like but maybe 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:43.640 that's not what I saw. But I saw a documentary 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:45.200 type of thing about good life. 0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:48.840 Yeah, no, no, no, it was the first joint. Yeah, I 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:56.200 know that. Yeah, it's I know what or a bus 0:19:56.240 --> 0:20:01.080 driver one of my favorite underground or I hate saying underground. 0:20:01.119 --> 0:20:05.679 It's such a you know, it's like damning someone to 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:09.320 only the purple property at the beginning of the monopoly board. 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:10.920 But critically, you know, if you're a fan. 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:18.679 Of like Freestyle Fellowship, the Jurassic Five Cats, that's very 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:23.639 like yeah, John oh Medusa, like yeah, I'll say, like, 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:26.520 you know, when we first started, even though they were 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:30.960 at the tail end of oh Far Side also they 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:33.640 were at the tail end of their era. That's when 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:35.600 the roots first started coming out there. But we, like 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:37.920 I met a lot of those guys, so almost felt 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:42.280 like we were you know, they're distant cousins often doing 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:44.200 shows out there, and you know. 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:47.640 People can ask a question really quickly. Why do more 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:49.800 people talk about the Floor Side, Because I think the 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:51.600 Far Side for the West Coast was kind of like 0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:56.240 and maybe this is overstepping, comparable to Quests, the. 0:20:58.680 --> 0:20:59.280 Bizarre Ride. 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:03.560 Bizarre Ride, I mean, that's it, That's that's Midnight Marauders. 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:06.000 Let's come up. 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:11.879 Like that, because the thing is is that unfortunately, I 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:14.800 was trying to figure out another a two piece with Biscuit, 0:21:15.520 --> 0:21:21.600 which is like Biggie Like Unfortunately, it's like you know, 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:25.919 for the Far Side one, it's been thirty years and 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:33.399 it's really technically two albums like that one album, they 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:36.719 took themselves out the running even though both classic. And 0:21:36.760 --> 0:21:40.640 here's the thing Eminem will say all day that literally 0:21:42.119 --> 0:21:45.560 Eminem's you know, said this a billion times that his 0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:50.560 whole presentation, like the cartoony voice, the wordplay, all that 0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:54.880 stuff like Bizarre Ride to the Far Side was Eminem's 0:21:55.560 --> 0:22:01.639 blueprint for the first three, uh first three records of this. 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:03.480 Like if you listen to him rhyme and all that stuff, 0:22:03.520 --> 0:22:06.119 like the cartoony voice and all that stuff, like he's 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:11.959 essentially just you know, that's him just overdosing on the 0:22:11.960 --> 0:22:17.560 far Side. Yeah, you're right, definitely for a lot of 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:21.399 I mean, I wasn't those people that like went territorial, 0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:24.399 like oh their East coast, their West coast, But I 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:31.160 definitely remember them changing the perception of of what we thought. 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:35.359 Nah for us, it was for us on this side, 0:22:35.359 --> 0:22:38.440 it was far side. Of course, absolutely souls the mischief 0:22:38.800 --> 0:22:39.960 and the alcoholics. 0:22:40.000 --> 0:22:44.200 Alcoholics man listen then was my nigga. I love it. 0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:49.919 But I'll say that when we heard Bizarre Ride to 0:22:49.960 --> 0:22:55.080 the Far Side, that was the prime reason why we 0:22:55.160 --> 0:22:59.720 put Scott's Storch in the Roots because you know, they 0:22:59.720 --> 0:23:02.640 were using It's so weird that, you know, even though 0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:05.919 Tribe had been doing it the way that Jay Swift 0:23:06.200 --> 0:23:09.679 was using Fender Rhodes on that album, you know, the 0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:12.960 whole tremolo sound and all that stuff. Like I was like, 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:16.680 we need that sound too, so entering Scott Storage coming 0:23:16.680 --> 0:23:19.600 into the Roots and you know, but yeah, we were. 0:23:20.040 --> 0:23:25.280 Actually they've reunited with the is it Booty Brown that's 0:23:25.320 --> 0:23:29.000 not in the group. I know that Fat Fat List, 0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:32.040 Fat Lip is battle, so now it's bat Lip. Uh 0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:36.600 everybody is for everything the money. Yeah, man, that that 0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:37.400 streaks me so. 0:23:37.400 --> 0:23:40.919 Much too too. I just love what they did, and 0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:43.200 I just would really like it when people talking about 0:23:43.200 --> 0:23:46.280 that era they would get a little bit more because 0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:49.240 they I really I saw how much they influenced a 0:23:49.280 --> 0:23:52.199 lot of the rappers that came after them on the 0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:53.040 West Coast. 0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:56.000 All Right, My gift to hip hop is I got 0:23:56.000 --> 0:24:01.280 to start a life coaching service for rappers. No, it's real, 0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:04.720 Like I'm currently I don't even know if I just 0:24:04.800 --> 0:24:09.480 say this. I'm trying to get my life coach to 0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:15.119 talk to both Run and D about how much valuable 0:24:15.200 --> 0:24:18.960 time they are wasting because I mean, run the MC 0:24:19.119 --> 0:24:23.119 is like are rolling stones, yo, and for them to 0:24:23.520 --> 0:24:27.359 just it's a communication is And I've talked to both 0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:30.159 of them and they're down to like, yeah, okay, how 0:24:30.200 --> 0:24:33.000 do life coach like leg like hip hop needs this 0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:37.159 and if you can, you. 0:24:37.200 --> 0:24:39.640 Got to get the guys together, you basically they got 0:24:39.640 --> 0:24:41.240 to be together so that we can champion them so 0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:43.320 then they can really win and we can champion them 0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:44.439 like a lot of these other legends. 0:24:44.480 --> 0:24:47.120 Yes, so right now, the Far Side is back as 0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:49.840 the Far Side, although technically now they spell it with 0:24:49.920 --> 0:24:56.760 an F and not a pH, So I'm assuming spun 0:24:56.880 --> 0:24:58.679 on his head. You don't. You don't know what's happening 0:24:58.760 --> 0:24:59.200 right now. 0:24:59.040 --> 0:25:01.240 With the like no idea, none of this is that 0:25:01.400 --> 0:25:03.359 not with that? Yeah, so they they're there now. 0:25:03.440 --> 0:25:06.000 If you go on their Instagram page as the Far 0:25:06.600 --> 0:25:09.719 Side to words F A R, S I D E. 0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:15.960 Like the cartoon. Yeah, right, Like how is that? 0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:22.880 Yeah, Yeah, it's it's it's three fourths of them are 0:25:23.000 --> 0:25:23.400 back now. 0:25:23.640 --> 0:25:31.160 So were you and Brass were y'all pursuing music at 0:25:31.160 --> 0:25:34.760 the same time at that time coming up or were 0:25:34.800 --> 0:25:38.680 you just were you like actually prefinded singing as well, 0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:40.200 and he was rhyming or how. 0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:46.040 Was y'all doing? I was pushing him, he was did 0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:49.320 he know? You can say, no, he. 0:25:49.240 --> 0:25:51.040 Didn't really know, Like I didn't really. 0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:54.119 I did wardrobe for years, Like I would be around 0:25:54.200 --> 0:25:55.840 I mean, Hype did my first video. I would be 0:25:55.880 --> 0:25:56.480 around Hype. 0:25:56.520 --> 0:25:56.919 He didn't. 0:25:57.200 --> 0:26:00.040 He didn't know, like everybody just didn't know, because. 0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:03.320 I Williams that, yeah. 0:26:02.480 --> 0:26:02.760 He did. 0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:04.879 I would be around ye, I would be around all 0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:06.680 kind of executives because I did wardrobe. 0:26:06.720 --> 0:26:08.600 I would be with raz a different places. I mean, 0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:12.800 I just didn't talk about that because it was his time. 0:26:12.880 --> 0:26:15.960 It was his time, you know. And I'm from the South, 0:26:16.320 --> 0:26:18.160 you know, so I'm one of those women. It's like, Okay, 0:26:18.200 --> 0:26:20.720 you do those and I trust that when it's my time, 0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:22.280 I'll do mine, you know what I mean. 0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:23.600 But we're gonna focus. 0:26:23.320 --> 0:26:25.359 On you right now. But this just focuses stuff. It 0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:26.760 came back to me, so I have to go figure 0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:27.880 it out by myself. 0:26:28.080 --> 0:26:31.080 But he did introduce me to the guy that did my. 0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:33.720 First album with me, but he we didn't. He didn't 0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:35.359 even know I really sing like that. I mean I 0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:37.320 may have. He may have heard me singing a little bit, 0:26:37.359 --> 0:26:39.640 and you know, I think I may have done some singing. 0:26:39.840 --> 0:26:41.240 The teacher come do this song because he knew I 0:26:41.240 --> 0:26:44.040 could sing a little, but it wasn't something that I 0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:45.359 made a big deal about. 0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:51.520 Did it weird him out when you finally became transparent 0:26:51.560 --> 0:26:54.360 with your voice and sort of came out the shadows 0:26:54.440 --> 0:26:57.040 like Okay, I'm singing, I'm pursuing this. Did it? 0:26:57.359 --> 0:26:59.359 No? I don't think it weirded him out. I just 0:26:59.400 --> 0:27:03.320 remember we worked together at this point. He introduced me 0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:05.320 to the guy called Pauli. I did the first time 0:27:05.400 --> 0:27:08.040 when we started working. Pauli started working, and then he 0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:10.480 was supposed to be involved. He was supposed to be involved, 0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:13.320 but I think it was just like, oh, it's my baby, mama, 0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:16.520 she's singing, you know what I mean. I remember one 0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:19.040 day we were driving somewhere and he was like, this 0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:29.000 is really good. We're going to make a lot of money. 0:27:30.359 --> 0:27:35.120 We asked that because yeah, I dated someone who never 0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:38.760 revealed to me that she was a classically chained pianist. 0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:42.800 Oh wow, So accidentally. 0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:43.440 How long plus did you? 0:27:44.800 --> 0:27:46.560 It was like it was like two years. Like I 0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:49.360 think I shared this story before where I was late 0:27:49.400 --> 0:27:51.840 for a sound check, had to circle back to the 0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:54.320 hotel and I was in one of those weeks that 0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:57.440 had a piano in it. She was this, I mean 0:27:57.440 --> 0:28:00.080 it was like a couple of steps steps above, like 0:28:00.640 --> 0:28:04.159 for at least I mean, was it like, like did 0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:10.960 you like I walked in the room, like, what is this? 0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:13.600 It's like two years like you didn't tell me, you know, 0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:18.240 I played piano. So yeah, that that was that was 0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:20.359 weird to me. That's what I meant, Like, did you 0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:21.440 hold it back for so long? 0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:23.880 No, he knew because I was. He knew I had 0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:25.240 like a little bit. He knew I could sing a 0:28:25.280 --> 0:28:27.800 little because he would hear me around the house singing, 0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:29.080 you know, little. 0:28:28.800 --> 0:28:31.880 Things like that. So you said that your first entry 0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:34.159 into the business wasn't even with singing. It was with 0:28:34.240 --> 0:28:35.000 fashion first. 0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:37.480 Yeah. My best friend was a wardrobe She still is 0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:40.480 to this day, designer Najra Kinzy. She was a wardrobe 0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:44.400 stylist at the time, and I needed money. I got 0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:46.760 laid off of my job from sitting there surfing the 0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:48.240 internet too long. I was bored. 0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:50.320 What was your job beforehand? 0:28:50.640 --> 0:28:57.480 I was an administrator assistant administrator at a uh A 0:28:58.000 --> 0:29:01.840 architectural firm that he'll built a high. 0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:04.040 Oh I was bored, ship Girl, and. 0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:06.920 The internet was new, so I would just be on 0:29:06.960 --> 0:29:09.560 the internet looking at anything I could look at. And 0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:13.720 this is back when it was dollar son. 0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:19.400 Phone the phone. I'm shocked that she's. 0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:19.440 Not a. 0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:27.440 Yeah, right right, talk about you talk about being a 0:29:27.440 --> 0:29:30.000 stylist in like that moment first of all, when you 0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:32.120 felt comfortable enough to make the transition to. 0:29:32.160 --> 0:29:35.719 Let people know, were you slowly letting people know, Like 0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:37.880 would just sing a little bit while you're just you know, 0:29:37.920 --> 0:29:38.720 fixing an outfit. 0:29:38.760 --> 0:29:42.440 And somebody was like, no, and maybe that's what you're 0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:44.040 supposed to do, but I think that's corny and ship 0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:46.400 I think whatever you're there to do, that's what you do. 0:29:47.440 --> 0:29:48.520 Yes, that's how I feel. 0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:51.280 So I would be there putting on somebody's shoes or 0:29:51.720 --> 0:29:54.560 rolling down you know, and even with like guys trying 0:29:54.560 --> 0:29:56.440 to talk to you or whatever you need. I just 0:29:56.560 --> 0:29:58.200 always kept it as a job. This I'll take care of 0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:00.440 my sons, you know. So I just kept it the job. 0:30:00.680 --> 0:30:06.080 And like I said, I would be around these different people, dancers, singers, artists, 0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:06.520 all this stuff. 0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:08.040 They're like, oh, hey, you teach your mobile and if 0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:09.480 you smoke cannabis. 0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:11.840 If you're in a on video sets, you're gonna be 0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:13.720 in a circle with all kind of people, so they 0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:17.800 know we're smoking together. Once you're in decided with somebody 0:30:17.800 --> 0:30:22.160 that's your best friend, so we would all be around 0:30:22.160 --> 0:30:24.760 smoking doing you know, in between, you know, stuff like that. 0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:27.840 But I just never mentioned it because first of all, 0:30:27.880 --> 0:30:29.680 I'm shy, which nobody knows that. 0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:34.520 When it comes to her talent, I believe you're shot. 0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:38.040 I don't like subjection, you know what I mean. So 0:30:38.080 --> 0:30:40.040 if someone was to tell me I wasn't good, it 0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:48.200 was gonna either get violent or sad. I was going to. 0:30:49.480 --> 0:30:56.520 And you see him a little peky wired on us. 0:30:56.560 --> 0:30:57.200 I'm better now. 0:30:57.280 --> 0:31:00.040 But but the thing is, you go back, and I didn't. 0:30:59.880 --> 0:31:04.120 You just out there. 0:31:04.480 --> 0:31:06.240 I was young, you know, but no one knew. 0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:08.440 No one knew because I was just doing my job 0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:11.000 and I just was appreciative of what I was doing 0:31:11.120 --> 0:31:14.719 at that time. And I remember Ras and I broke up, 0:31:14.720 --> 0:31:17.360 and that's when I started pursuing it because it was like, 0:31:17.480 --> 0:31:20.240 I can't just I saw my friend doing what she 0:31:20.320 --> 0:31:24.680 loved and I stopped. I stopped doing, uh the wardrobe 0:31:24.680 --> 0:31:27.240 style because I broke my leg. And while I was 0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:30.480 sitting there on downtime and collecting my eighteen hundred dollars 0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:33.640 a month in the what do you call it when 0:31:33.760 --> 0:31:37.840 workers camp, I was like, are you gotta figure something out? 0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:39.800 And did y'all have the twins at that point? 0:31:39.880 --> 0:31:42.600 Y'all with full fledge in this thing? I was, they 0:31:42.600 --> 0:31:45.040 were like three years old. I was, you know, res 0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:46.840 and I went together. I was pretty much taking care 0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:48.360 of itut myself. And it was like, you gotta figure 0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:53.160 this out because I couldn't. I couldn't go work at 0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:55.000 the post office, so I wouldn't be with those people 0:31:55.000 --> 0:31:56.960 that killed anybody, you know what I mean? Like, I 0:31:57.000 --> 0:31:57.720 couldn't do that. 0:31:58.120 --> 0:31:58.920 But did you know you. 0:31:58.840 --> 0:31:59.800 Could write a song? 0:32:01.280 --> 0:32:02.320 And I'm like, did you know? 0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:05.880 I say this? I'm saying that from the standpoint people, 0:32:06.120 --> 0:32:09.360 you can't stifle things in you. You can't like suppress 0:32:09.440 --> 0:32:11.440 these things. They come out wrong. 0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:14.080 It's good. 0:32:14.160 --> 0:32:17.120 So I did know I could write songs because I 0:32:17.120 --> 0:32:20.000 would get all the rads, would get these packs from 0:32:20.080 --> 0:32:22.280 Dave J Dilla, and that's who I would write over. 0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:25.120 I would write over unreleased J Dilla beats and I 0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:28.680 didn't even know who somebody. Wow. When he was getting 0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:30.800 these tracks, I didn't know. I was just singing over 0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:35.720 him and I loved Like Water for Chocolate. I love 0:32:35.800 --> 0:32:38.120 that album so much. And eventually he told me, oh, 0:32:38.120 --> 0:32:39.320 that's the same thing that, did you know? 0:32:40.040 --> 0:32:42.880 And it came together. But I wrote so many songs. 0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:45.400 Over I wrote like maybe to one beat, three and 0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:48.360 four songs because that's what I had. Did you tell? 0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:48.880 Did you? 0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:49.720 And j Dela ever? 0:32:49.800 --> 0:32:50.440 Did he ever know that? 0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:50.720 Like? 0:32:50.760 --> 0:32:51.280 Did you No? 0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:51.800 I didn't. 0:32:52.120 --> 0:32:52.520 I know. 0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:53.840 I never met this man. 0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:54.959 I didn't I didn't know. 0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:57.120 You know, I didn't know. I just loved music, and 0:32:57.200 --> 0:32:58.120 so what RAS would have. 0:32:58.200 --> 0:33:01.800 I would go through whatever he had, and I remember 0:33:01.880 --> 0:33:04.920 he particularly had the CD from Jay Dilla, and I 0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:07.600 would play those that CD over and over and write 0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:10.360 songs to those. I would write over Prince Records. I 0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:13.720 would write over already written songs that I would just 0:33:13.760 --> 0:33:17.000 hear the music and start to formulate my own song 0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:17.720 over the music. 0:33:18.400 --> 0:33:19.520 That's harder. 0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:21.800 That's that's harder than a lot of people realized, to 0:33:21.960 --> 0:33:26.960 like write over oh god, yeah, to take yeah yeah, 0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:29.800 Like to just take something that's already established and just 0:33:29.880 --> 0:33:31.880 write a new song over that. To hear that in 0:33:31.920 --> 0:33:33.800 a different way, like that's that's. 0:33:33.680 --> 0:33:36.120 A skin book songs. 0:33:36.360 --> 0:33:37.320 I did that often. 0:33:37.400 --> 0:33:39.400 I just you know, I don't know if you guys 0:33:39.480 --> 0:33:41.680 ever were in a place where you couldn't do it 0:33:41.800 --> 0:33:44.239 or didn't seem like a realistic thing for you. I 0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:46.600 just wanted to do it. However, I could do it 0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:48.400 because it was in me and it needed to come 0:33:48.440 --> 0:33:50.520 out to the point that it was making me depressed 0:33:50.600 --> 0:33:51.120 and sad. 0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:53.520 I didn't even know why, you know, so I just 0:33:53.560 --> 0:33:54.240 had to do it. 0:33:54.320 --> 0:33:57.040 And I would just takes a computer and put it 0:33:57.080 --> 0:33:59.560 in his CD and just start the CDs of beats 0:33:59.600 --> 0:34:00.720 and yourself. 0:34:00.960 --> 0:34:03.840 Can I ask one question, because the thing is is 0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:06.680 this might be the only chance that we get to 0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:11.400 ask a former stylist a question. Okay, And I'm also 0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:14.200 you know, I'm I'm a I'm a I mean, I'm 0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:18.400 a Kenya Barrass supporter and completed. So you know, Zoe's 0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:21.240 character on Grownish is a stylist. 0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:23.160 Now she is good for you and mayor. 0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:27.839 I'm supporting all my Kenya Bearrass projects. You know, thinking thing, 0:34:28.560 --> 0:34:31.920 but my question is what is the process of being well? 0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:35.560 First of all, who are your clients? Were these established music. 0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:39.960 Oh yeah, no, we were Will Smith's stylar team for 0:34:40.560 --> 0:34:46.279 about two to three years. Police nas r Kelly. 0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:48.040 These are good, these looks. 0:34:48.080 --> 0:34:50.440 Yeah, we would. My friend she had two of us 0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:52.839 from high school. Were just high school friends like having fun, 0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:55.719 you know, and so she was the key. Nanga was 0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:58.120 the key, my other We were all three best friends. 0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:02.200 Nanga was the key. I was more administrative, and my 0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:04.960 friend Myisha Loong. She was also like a second in 0:35:05.040 --> 0:35:08.799 line for like creative, and we would kind of like 0:35:08.880 --> 0:35:10.840 the mod squad. I don't even heard of mod squad 0:35:10.880 --> 0:35:13.520 with June Ambrose. Yeah, we were kind of like that. 0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:17.520 And you know, we would be on different different sets. 0:35:17.760 --> 0:35:19.640 She would have three jobs going the time. I'm on 0:35:19.680 --> 0:35:21.520 this set just one of our set. We got assistants 0:35:21.560 --> 0:35:23.400 under them. You know, we had a whole thing moving. 0:35:23.840 --> 0:35:28.320 How do you secure Like, okay, so for me, my 0:35:29.280 --> 0:35:33.719 crock obsessions getting a little crazy now, So how do 0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:38.840 you secure accounts from? Do you go like from established 0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:42.839 the companies and also from newer people, Like how do 0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:44.120 you call them? 0:35:44.239 --> 0:35:47.000 You just call them so you would back then That's 0:35:47.040 --> 0:35:48.560 all we had to do was call them, send them 0:35:48.560 --> 0:35:51.000 a letter, let them know that we're working facts, and 0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:53.600 back then a letter let them know that we're working 0:35:53.680 --> 0:35:56.200 on something and if they were interested in that, artists, 0:35:56.280 --> 0:35:59.520 they would then it's product. And back then, you know, 0:35:59.640 --> 0:36:01.640 back then, and it was like lots of money involved. 0:36:02.120 --> 0:36:04.879 They gave you. People were giving a lot of things away, 0:36:04.960 --> 0:36:09.960 so we could know. But even when we would come 0:36:09.960 --> 0:36:11.800 in with a new maybe because we had top clients, 0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:13.279 when we come in with a new artist, we could 0:36:13.280 --> 0:36:15.080 get them all. So, I mean we would do projects 0:36:15.080 --> 0:36:17.960 sometimes and pay for nothing because we could get so 0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:21.120 much stuff for free from these different home companies. You 0:36:21.280 --> 0:36:23.000 just kind of we just reached out. 0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:26.879 But also know that it's problematic where an artist will 0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:30.520 like an article or garment a little bit too much 0:36:31.080 --> 0:36:34.799 and then you're not going to see it again. Yeah, 0:36:34.800 --> 0:36:37.600 I've been I've been part of many video shoots where 0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:39.759 it's like where are those Jordan's at? You know that 0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:42.040 sort of so yeah. 0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:45.120 But now in the product place and the situation they're 0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:47.520 giving it to you. Now where you're when you're going 0:36:47.640 --> 0:36:50.400 to a studio service, which is you know you probably 0:36:50.400 --> 0:36:52.680 know this, really you go and you have to pull 0:36:52.760 --> 0:36:56.480 clothes from you know, the different department stores or Gucci 0:36:56.560 --> 0:36:58.880 whoever they let out the clothes on consignment. 0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:01.080 This is where the problems came. 0:37:01.200 --> 0:37:06.960 That's where the rappers. Boy, where the boys are like, 0:37:07.280 --> 0:37:09.200 you know, you. 0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:12.480 Might have to stand next to for all days, put 0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:15.200 it in your bosom or something, because. 0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:16.640 They will literally try to take it. 0:37:16.680 --> 0:37:18.360 And then you know, you would be on sets with 0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:20.920 rappers that had like fifty dudes from the hood, and 0:37:20.960 --> 0:37:23.680 you're in the hood, you're not just you're in Queen's 0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:26.719 Bridge with fifty people that's here, that's supposed to be here, 0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:30.520 then hundreds of others that's not and five for two 0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:33.600 one hundred and ten pounds, I have to protect this 0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:36.560 whole trailer full of merchandise probably up. 0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:38.200 To about a cool hundred thousand dollars. 0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:40.959 You know, you know you've been in a situation before 0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:42.719 Tjer where you was like, I'm not. 0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:45.920 People don't bridge, no. 0:37:46.000 --> 0:37:47.359 But you heard what she said to me. She said, 0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:50.920 people not even tested, not even tested, no, Because it's. 0:37:50.760 --> 0:37:51.879 Like, at the end of the day, I come from 0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:53.719 a place where I know what's going on. Yeah, you know, 0:37:54.239 --> 0:37:56.000 so when I see and I also talk to people 0:37:56.000 --> 0:37:58.360 with respect and tell people what's really going on. Like 0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:00.160 I got kids to feed don't mess me up. You 0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:01.920 take this stuff and I'm mess you know, I got 0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:03.759 to step from my pocket and you take it. You know, 0:38:03.880 --> 0:38:05.640 So you talk to people like they're like, oh, baby girl, 0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:07.239 it's all good. You know, I got whatever. And if 0:38:07.239 --> 0:38:08.759 I could get you something, if I you know, cause 0:38:08.760 --> 0:38:10.440 it'll be like some free sneak, cause here you go, 0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:12.640 take this. This is what you get. You can't have 0:38:12.719 --> 0:38:13.880 this just have to be paid for. 0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:18.600 Just common sense, street sense, converce chucks. Thank you, teacher, 0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:19.319 I appreciate that. 0:38:20.680 --> 0:38:24.880 Exactly more stylus question, like, on that note, since you 0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:27.720 talked about being in ciphers and being on sets and whatnot, 0:38:28.360 --> 0:38:31.440 did your experiences as a stylist, uh, kind of make 0:38:31.480 --> 0:38:34.520 you a little apprehensive about entering the music business. 0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:35.359 Or where was it? 0:38:35.360 --> 0:38:37.000 Like, Okay, I feel like maybe I know a little 0:38:37.040 --> 0:38:38.919 extra because I've been around. 0:38:38.880 --> 0:38:40.880 On the other side. Yeah, yeah, you know, it. 0:38:40.880 --> 0:38:42.680 Didn't make me apprehensive as much as it just may 0:38:42.760 --> 0:38:46.279 like these people are crazy, you know as hell, Yeah 0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:48.319 they're crazy, and it's different, you know what I mean. 0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:52.280 So like I learned then this is not real world. 0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:56.360 Like you're from a place where when someone says, hey, teacher, 0:38:56.800 --> 0:38:59.399 you know, they really mean that, they mean it. Where 0:38:59.400 --> 0:39:01.520 I'm from a new role as your face is what 0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:03.960 you see on somebody's face is what it is. And 0:39:04.280 --> 0:39:09.120 now I'm in this situation where you cannot tell who's 0:39:09.160 --> 0:39:11.640 real who you know. 0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:13.320 So then I just got to this place so I 0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:14.560 just assume everybody's faith. 0:39:19.719 --> 0:39:22.160 And it helped me moving forward to and it helped 0:39:22.200 --> 0:39:24.480 me moving forward in the music to realize that there 0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:26.440 are way more of a people than I thought. You know, 0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:29.120 when you start out thinking everybody's little phone in your faith, 0:39:29.160 --> 0:39:31.360 then when you start to meet genuine people and you 0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:33.960 connect with your tribe, it gets really cool. So it 0:39:34.040 --> 0:39:36.920 helped me to think that I could endure it knowing 0:39:37.120 --> 0:39:38.040 what I was getting into. 0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:41.719 How did you make the transition from styling to songwriting. 0:39:43.280 --> 0:39:46.040 I broke my leg. I broke my leg. We were 0:39:46.080 --> 0:39:48.560 doing a job and like to pay the Canyon or 0:39:48.560 --> 0:39:51.520 something like that, and I had taken time off, and 0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:54.040 I was this was my first job back, because now 0:39:54.160 --> 0:39:56.359 I'm hating style. You know, I got to the point 0:39:56.360 --> 0:39:58.400 where I was hating styling just like I was hating 0:40:01.480 --> 0:40:10.600 I broke my legs, and I just kind of like 0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:15.239 I was heeling up to go back to something that not. 0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:17.880 I loved working with my friends and all this stuff. 0:40:18.080 --> 0:40:20.279 But as much as I like clothes, I like put 0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:23.000 them on myself. I'm not I'm not a person of 0:40:23.000 --> 0:40:26.160 a service type of person. You know, I'm really an artist. 0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:27.719 You know, I'm really an artist. So it was just 0:40:27.719 --> 0:40:30.640 strange for me to kind of want to do this, 0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:32.920 not open up my mouth and tell anybody I want 0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:34.520 to do it, but I'm putting clothes on people that 0:40:34.560 --> 0:40:36.839 are doing it and no envy of them. It just 0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:39.920 became very frustrated, like I don't want to do this anymore. 0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:42.480 And God literally broke my leg and sat me down 0:40:42.520 --> 0:40:45.239 and made me have to figure out what I really 0:40:45.239 --> 0:40:47.320 wanted to do and come to terms with because I 0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:50.120 already knew. Just come to terms with it, like go 0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:52.680 for it. Rapped this something really followed me. He just 0:40:52.719 --> 0:40:55.400 had to help me. He didn't have a choice. He 0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:58.520 did something so fu he didn't have a choice to 0:40:58.600 --> 0:41:00.719 deny me what I was asking. And that's kind of 0:41:00.760 --> 0:41:01.800 how it started. 0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:03.720 The summer. 0:41:04.320 --> 0:41:07.279 Yeah, so okay, without getting into what he did. So 0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:09.840 when you you say he you know he did you 0:41:10.239 --> 0:41:12.200 was that did he put you on in some way? 0:41:12.239 --> 0:41:14.839 Like with the job or right, and he just introduced 0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:17.759 me to someone. The first person I went to sit 0:41:17.800 --> 0:41:19.480 down with before I even went to go make my 0:41:19.520 --> 0:41:22.680 album was Ritten Jerkins. He was working on my friend, 0:41:22.800 --> 0:41:25.840 my friend, you guys have to parton me. 0:41:25.880 --> 0:41:28.760 I smoke a lot of candidates in my brain together. 0:41:31.840 --> 0:41:36.120 But my friend he worked with because at the time 0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:39.239 we had worked with Will Smith for years, and my 0:41:39.280 --> 0:41:40.919 friend he worked with Will Smith, and so he put 0:41:41.000 --> 0:41:43.000 me he had he knew lots of different producers and 0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:45.239 he was really good friends with Rodney Jerkins, and he 0:41:45.360 --> 0:41:47.719 just would hear things. I don't know how he knew 0:41:47.719 --> 0:41:50.680 I wrote, maybe I was, maybe I recorded something over 0:41:50.719 --> 0:41:52.040 a beat, whatever, and I love him here because he 0:41:52.040 --> 0:41:53.279 was my friend, so I didn't I don't let him 0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:54.879 hear it whatever. And he was like your teacher. Come, 0:41:55.360 --> 0:41:58.919 he's writing for Destiny's Child. Then he's working for working 0:41:58.960 --> 0:42:01.400 on Justice Child's album, and now come to the studio 0:42:01.440 --> 0:42:03.120 and meet Robby and blah blah blah blah. And that's 0:42:03.120 --> 0:42:05.359 like the first person I sat down with. And I 0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:08.879 think that's when we got a rat started to take 0:42:08.920 --> 0:42:12.600 it serious that I might really start doing this, you know. 0:42:13.200 --> 0:42:16.920 And then when that thing happened, and then he's just like, Okay, cool, 0:42:17.360 --> 0:42:20.000 I'll introduce you to Paul Paully and Paul Pauly and 0:42:20.040 --> 0:42:22.040 I just started kind of getting a vibe going. And 0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:23.759 Paul Pauley, I don't think, thought I was that good. 0:42:24.080 --> 0:42:25.839 He was like, you gotta sing more, you gotta push more, 0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:27.080 you goat blah blah blah. And I was thinking, I 0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:29.239 don't really want to do that, but okay, I'll try 0:42:29.239 --> 0:42:31.440 because I just wanted to. I just wanted to make music. 0:42:31.520 --> 0:42:33.960 And we just kind of started going from there. But 0:42:35.280 --> 0:42:36.799 I don't know was. 0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:39.279 Paul was he Well, before we get into that, which 0:42:39.320 --> 0:42:41.680 is your songwriting and stuff, dip it low? 0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:42.759 How did that come up? 0:42:43.600 --> 0:42:46.880 All of my songwriting came about while I was working 0:42:46.920 --> 0:42:49.759 with Paul Paully working on my album. They were all 0:42:49.760 --> 0:42:52.880 songs for me, every song I gave away until I 0:42:52.960 --> 0:42:56.000 started to actively write songs for other which I learned 0:42:56.040 --> 0:42:58.360 I wasn't really good at writing for other people. I 0:42:58.440 --> 0:43:01.200 was better at writing songs for myself and then letting 0:43:01.239 --> 0:43:05.000 them fit into my outfit, you know what I mean. So, yeah, 0:43:05.040 --> 0:43:06.560 that's where all of my songs came from. 0:43:06.560 --> 0:43:10.200 That is it hard writing for other people because you know, 0:43:10.320 --> 0:43:12.560 you would have to know their life experience in order 0:43:12.600 --> 0:43:13.560 to speak for them. 0:43:14.520 --> 0:43:17.440 I think quest is like goes back to being a stylist. 0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:20.160 I ain't really want to do it, and I'm a Sagittarius, 0:43:20.160 --> 0:43:22.319 and it's like we really want to do what we 0:43:22.400 --> 0:43:22.799 want to do. 0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:24.680 We so help and on doing we want to do. 0:43:25.040 --> 0:43:27.120 So when I would sit down to write for people, 0:43:28.320 --> 0:43:32.600 I don't think I cared enough about what their experience was, 0:43:32.760 --> 0:43:34.839 you know, like I didn't get it. I didn't care 0:43:34.960 --> 0:43:37.880 enough to get into them. I had to literally write 0:43:37.880 --> 0:43:41.640 for people that were just singing my songs. It was 0:43:41.680 --> 0:43:44.319 so hard for me to try to figure out what 0:43:44.400 --> 0:43:46.839 this little young pop girl on. I just had to 0:43:46.880 --> 0:43:48.200 just put myself in that place. 0:43:48.239 --> 0:43:49.799 I couldn't consider them, you. 0:43:49.760 --> 0:43:54.080 Know, even if it's a situation of a big client 0:43:54.160 --> 0:43:55.960 that yeah, Mary J Blige. 0:43:56.040 --> 0:43:59.359 I put myself in Mary J Blige's place. You know, 0:43:59.560 --> 0:44:02.080 I couldn't be married. Plus I probably could be married 0:44:02.080 --> 0:44:03.480 because you know she raised all of us, you know 0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:05.200 what I mean. So, but the thing is like I 0:44:05.400 --> 0:44:08.239 had to put my way of learning how to do 0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:11.839 it was to say, okay, I'm to be commiss now 0:44:11.960 --> 0:44:15.160 you becoming because trying to pull it out of them 0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:17.720 or have these kinds. Some people it's just like a styling. 0:44:18.040 --> 0:44:20.200 Some people don't know what they want to say. Fact, 0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:22.239 you know, some people don't know what they want to do. 0:44:23.440 --> 0:44:27.839 Very yeah, you know, it's very hard to pull personality 0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:29.560 and all this stuff out of because you have understand also 0:44:29.600 --> 0:44:31.880 at this time, we're doing better now. This time when 0:44:31.920 --> 0:44:34.839 I was writing, it was trash out there. So I'm 0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:36.800 coming in and I'm singing this song and it sounds 0:44:36.800 --> 0:44:38.480 so great in the AARs like oh, and I was like, 0:44:38.520 --> 0:44:39.640 I love it, I love it. I love that. 0:44:39.719 --> 0:44:41.040 This is great, this is great, this is great. 0:44:41.400 --> 0:44:44.359 But the bitch can't sing so that now she's trying 0:44:44.400 --> 0:44:48.640 to sing this song and you hate this and now me, 0:44:49.440 --> 0:44:50.680 you're looking at me, and. 0:44:50.880 --> 0:44:51.680 I did my job. 0:44:52.840 --> 0:44:55.160 Are you there? Nine times out of ten? 0:44:56.280 --> 0:44:56.560 Uh? 0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:59.080 For the vocal tracking like do they want you? 0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:03.000 Sometimes sometimes and then sometimes not. But if I'm there, 0:45:03.040 --> 0:45:04.840 you know what I'm doing. I'm putting voice on it. 0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:07.000 I'm just gonna lay myself all over this thing. We're 0:45:07.000 --> 0:45:09.200 gonna straight up. 0:45:09.120 --> 0:45:11.000 And that trick, that's trick. 0:45:14.000 --> 0:45:16.279 You know, it just really hit me here are you 0:45:16.320 --> 0:45:16.840 beating that? 0:45:17.000 --> 0:45:19.920 Like I am here in journey and. 0:45:19.800 --> 0:45:21.680 Everything I'm really I was thinking about this earlier. I 0:45:21.719 --> 0:45:27.520 was like Teaser and Fonte are parade everything. 0:45:26.280 --> 0:45:28.959 Straight up and down. 0:45:29.040 --> 0:45:31.840 We didn't talked on Twitter about doing something. Listen, No, 0:45:32.040 --> 0:45:34.320 everything you're saying, it's coming. 0:45:34.440 --> 0:45:36.399 It's coming. We just over the right time, but it's coming. 0:45:36.440 --> 0:45:39.560 But no, seriously, everything you're saying that was exactly like 0:45:39.640 --> 0:45:42.120 what I saw, kind of like working as a songwriter, 0:45:42.320 --> 0:45:44.399 and it was just one of those things where it's like, Okay, 0:45:44.440 --> 0:45:46.360 I done wrote the song, I done sang it, and 0:45:46.440 --> 0:45:49.879 then tracked it, produced it. I'm gonna keep this ship 0:45:49.920 --> 0:45:52.239 for me, you know what I'm saying, Like, rather than 0:45:52.320 --> 0:45:53.759 sending it to whoever else and. 0:45:54.600 --> 0:45:56.040 Got a lot of money, I wasn't. 0:45:56.400 --> 0:45:58.720 I've never been signed to a publishing company, so nobody 0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:00.840 was putting me in the studios. It's been full home studios, 0:46:00.840 --> 0:46:02.480 and I'm spending all this money to go on these 0:46:02.480 --> 0:46:04.680 studio to write these songs. Now, you know what I mean. 0:46:04.719 --> 0:46:07.359 I'm spending all my money going to Sometimes I would 0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:09.879 go in and they will put me in or whatever. 0:46:09.880 --> 0:46:12.120 But when you're gunning to just get a song to 0:46:12.160 --> 0:46:15.319 an artist, you're you're gonna go and be proactive and 0:46:15.360 --> 0:46:17.880 you know, figure it out yourself. And then you're loving it. 0:46:17.920 --> 0:46:19.400 You're loving it, you love it, you love it. 0:46:19.440 --> 0:46:21.560 And then we go in and she can't sing it, 0:46:21.600 --> 0:46:23.440 and you're mad at me. And I just never understood that. 0:46:23.520 --> 0:46:25.440 Like I said, we're doing better thanw We're getting artists 0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:28.560 that can actually perform, you know, but back then it 0:46:28.640 --> 0:46:29.120 was rough. 0:46:29.719 --> 0:46:33.799 Yeah, that was why I think we saw like pre autitude. 0:46:34.960 --> 0:46:38.800 These girls. You know, I was like, Lord Hellers. 0:46:38.719 --> 0:46:40.719 Yeah, it was Yeah, that was why I think we 0:46:40.800 --> 0:46:42.960 saw like in like the early two thousands, like when 0:46:43.000 --> 0:46:48.080 you saw like Neo Carrie Hillson who like Sean Garrett, 0:46:48.200 --> 0:46:50.920 like you started seeing those songwriters kind of become artists. 0:46:50.920 --> 0:46:52.920 Like I saw that shit coming. I'm like, all the 0:46:52.960 --> 0:46:55.640 work that they're doing, yeah, they might as well put. 0:46:55.440 --> 0:46:56.000 This out on it. 0:46:56.440 --> 0:47:00.000 Let me add this, Fonte, the producers getting forty fives 0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:00.359 on the. 0:47:00.320 --> 0:47:03.319 Track and I'm getting let's talk about it. Let's talk 0:47:03.360 --> 0:47:05.799 all the way about it, right, Let's hear y'all talk 0:47:05.800 --> 0:47:06.279 about it. 0:47:06.520 --> 0:47:07.200 Talk about. 0:47:08.920 --> 0:47:09.920 Man. Well, I let teach you. 0:47:10.760 --> 0:47:12.080 You know, you're not getting paid. 0:47:12.120 --> 0:47:14.560 You're not getting paid to the producer gets paid for 0:47:14.680 --> 0:47:17.120 making a track, he gets a front in the back end. 0:47:17.160 --> 0:47:18.520 I don't know if it's changed out, because I don't 0:47:18.520 --> 0:47:19.799 really write for people like that no more. 0:47:20.560 --> 0:47:21.760 My piece is with myself. 0:47:22.040 --> 0:47:24.720 No, it's worse, it's even worse. I don't do it anymore. 0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:26.240 But it's it's yeah, it's trash. 0:47:26.480 --> 0:47:29.880 So you don't write on SPEC anymore. That's what songwriters 0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:31.880 or songwriters are supposed to write on SPEC. 0:47:32.280 --> 0:47:34.760 Yeah, and I'm not. I'm not a work for hire person. 0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:35.719 I'm just not there. 0:47:36.120 --> 0:47:38.120 And I never really a publishing company. I found that 0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:39.520 like whoa, Okay. 0:47:39.400 --> 0:47:41.719 No, and I own my own stuff, so I'm gonna 0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:43.759 eat either way because people like me and I can 0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:45.160 just tell my own stuff and not be all right. 0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:54.239 Take us on what's the beginning or the genesis of 0:47:54.280 --> 0:47:59.000 what we now know is complex simplicity, Like the moment 0:47:59.040 --> 0:48:01.080 where you're like, I'm on my. 0:48:01.000 --> 0:48:03.120 Own list, this is my part I've been waiting for. 0:48:03.320 --> 0:48:03.680 Let's go. 0:48:05.280 --> 0:48:07.240 Sour, that's the thing, right, Yeah. 0:48:07.680 --> 0:48:10.040 Family is completely we're not coming back after this, right, 0:48:10.360 --> 0:48:10.759 it's done. 0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:12.799 We're not doing this after that. But I didn't take 0:48:12.800 --> 0:48:14.920 them back because you know, that's how it was. But 0:48:15.000 --> 0:48:17.000 I moved to a new place left and we get back. 0:48:16.880 --> 0:48:18.840 Together and then I'm like, Okay, I can't do this anymore. 0:48:18.880 --> 0:48:22.640 He introduces me to this producer. But in this interim 0:48:22.680 --> 0:48:25.520 of us not being together and the producer me, me and 0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:28.799 the producer, my mom dies. That's my whole world. I'm 0:48:29.440 --> 0:48:32.799 my family is everything to me. I was twenty four 0:48:33.400 --> 0:48:35.960 five or something like that. I have these two sons. 0:48:36.239 --> 0:48:39.839 The father is not he didn't want kids. He told 0:48:39.840 --> 0:48:41.960 me that it was something he was where this and 0:48:43.520 --> 0:48:49.040 I'm stuck. And it literally was like I don't know 0:48:49.080 --> 0:48:50.600 how I was to explain it. What it was like. 0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:54.399 I wasn't gonna breathe unless I got this stuff out 0:48:54.440 --> 0:48:56.799 of me. You know, I wasn't gonna breathe unless I 0:48:56.880 --> 0:49:00.560 got all this pain out of me. And that's really 0:49:00.600 --> 0:49:03.680 where it came from. Me just writing, going every day 0:49:03.719 --> 0:49:06.359 to Paula's houses in Glendelle and I lived in Pasadena, 0:49:06.680 --> 0:49:08.759 which is very close to each other in LA and 0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:11.759 going to his house every day and just you know, 0:49:12.640 --> 0:49:15.680 first of all, the night before, sitting standing in front 0:49:15.680 --> 0:49:17.560 of the Marita entire time, just writing so I don't 0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:19.480 sing it to myself, you know, writing songs because trying 0:49:19.480 --> 0:49:21.759 to make myself happy. I was very sad, and then 0:49:21.800 --> 0:49:24.840 going in the next day and laying these songs, and 0:49:24.880 --> 0:49:28.960 I remember we got down to this song that was 0:49:29.000 --> 0:49:32.080 called what's the last song on my album? 0:49:32.120 --> 0:49:35.560 Do you remember the one to Mama? 0:49:36.680 --> 0:49:40.080 I think of you? Yeah, shout out to chanics. But anyway, 0:49:40.360 --> 0:49:45.520 so I was, I was trying to I was trying 0:49:45.560 --> 0:49:48.400 to perform it in the studio, and I just kept 0:49:48.520 --> 0:49:50.480 falling that they were they felt so bad for me. 0:49:50.760 --> 0:49:52.799 I literally would just keep trying to sing it, and 0:49:52.880 --> 0:49:54.919 if I would get one note out, I would fall 0:49:54.960 --> 0:49:56.640 down to the ground and just start crying because it's 0:49:56.640 --> 0:49:59.200 just a year after she had passed. And I really, 0:49:59.239 --> 0:50:02.920 when I look back and retrospect quas it was just 0:50:03.000 --> 0:50:05.640 me just trying to get all this pain. I didn't 0:50:05.680 --> 0:50:07.200 care about man of y'all hearing this record. 0:50:07.520 --> 0:50:09.600 I didn't care about if it was gonna be number one. 0:50:09.680 --> 0:50:11.799 That's why people want to seek for people say, oh 0:50:11.840 --> 0:50:14.080 my wish this would I had no you have to 0:50:14.080 --> 0:50:15.480 put intentions behind things. 0:50:15.640 --> 0:50:17.440 I had no intention. 0:50:17.600 --> 0:50:20.319 But to get it out, to get it happened, what 0:50:20.480 --> 0:50:23.200 happened to it. I didn't care. And then when one 0:50:23.320 --> 0:50:25.799 day Pauline was dropping me off at my house and 0:50:25.840 --> 0:50:27.440 he was leaving, and I was like, we should call 0:50:27.480 --> 0:50:31.319 it simplicit or something. I said it backwards. I said 0:50:31.360 --> 0:50:33.680 something like simple complexity or something like that, and people 0:50:33.719 --> 0:50:35.040 was like, yeah, complex simplicity. 0:50:35.120 --> 0:50:35.319 Yeah. 0:50:35.440 --> 0:50:36.760 And then I started to think. 0:50:36.600 --> 0:50:39.719 About it, like maybe about a year after it came out, 0:50:39.760 --> 0:50:41.680 and it was like literally what my life was at 0:50:41.719 --> 0:50:44.400 that time. It was literally what my life was at 0:50:44.400 --> 0:50:46.160 that time, complex simplicity. 0:50:46.200 --> 0:50:46.719 I was just. 0:50:48.400 --> 0:50:51.160 Life happens. But I didn't understand that. I was too 0:50:51.200 --> 0:50:54.400 young to understand. People die, your man cheat and do 0:50:54.480 --> 0:50:55.440 horrible things to you. 0:50:55.680 --> 0:50:57.600 He might not even say you can see you got kids. 0:50:57.640 --> 0:51:02.160 You know. I wasn't it at Paul for the life 0:51:02.200 --> 0:51:06.160 I have fallen into, and complex simplicity was the beginning 0:51:06.200 --> 0:51:09.279 of me starting to understand my path and how I 0:51:09.320 --> 0:51:12.759 had to go. It was like, literally, like I guess 0:51:12.800 --> 0:51:15.359 it's just that was the diary of me growing up. 0:51:16.280 --> 0:51:19.960 Talk about Paul Paulie because I never knew, like I mean, 0:51:20.000 --> 0:51:22.200 I had never seen him produce. I don't know if 0:51:22.200 --> 0:51:24.759 he did anything after that, but Your Record was the 0:51:24.760 --> 0:51:27.560 first time I really saw him, you know, uh, really 0:51:27.560 --> 0:51:28.560 featured in that way. 0:51:29.040 --> 0:51:31.480 What was what was his story and what was his background. 0:51:32.280 --> 0:51:36.680 Uh, he is Armenian and comes from wealth. His family 0:51:36.800 --> 0:51:38.480 owned like Jewish studies and stuff like that. But he 0:51:38.560 --> 0:51:40.480 loved music. He loved me just so much. And I 0:51:40.480 --> 0:51:43.240 think the thing I knew that he did before Complex 0:51:43.239 --> 0:51:45.200 Simplicity that did really well was that's the. 0:51:45.280 --> 0:51:47.120 Joint, that's the jam, turns it up. 0:51:47.160 --> 0:51:51.919 Oh yeah, right, yeah, he did that. And he worked 0:51:51.920 --> 0:51:54.520 with Riz and you know, and I wasn't really eager 0:51:54.560 --> 0:51:58.840 to work with him. I wasn't at all. But the first, 0:51:59.200 --> 0:52:01.879 the very first song that he the first very first 0:52:01.920 --> 0:52:06.680 beat he gave me was cough on that caution to 0:52:06.960 --> 0:52:13.000 be no, let's put who song is that caught up y? 0:52:13.200 --> 0:52:15.719 Yeah, So that's the very verse beat he gave me. 0:52:15.960 --> 0:52:18.279 And that's the very first song I ever recorded, And 0:52:18.320 --> 0:52:20.640 that's on the like, that's the very first song I 0:52:20.680 --> 0:52:23.120 ever wrote in full. It's the very first song I 0:52:23.200 --> 0:52:27.200 ever recorded. And we just clicked right away. 0:52:27.239 --> 0:52:28.279 He's the Sagittary's too. 0:52:28.280 --> 0:52:32.560 Oh goodness, yeah, I know that was crazy, like oh 0:52:32.640 --> 0:52:34.600 that might be didn't want to stand until it was 0:52:34.680 --> 0:52:35.399 this black lead. 0:52:36.719 --> 0:52:42.480 It was like he literally just starts screaming every like 0:52:45.280 --> 0:52:47.640 Plie Polly was a great guy, and like we I 0:52:47.680 --> 0:52:49.600 had a chance because we did an anniversary thing. 0:52:49.640 --> 0:52:50.680 You had a chance to see him. 0:52:50.680 --> 0:52:52.960 And he doesn't do music anymore, like you know, we 0:52:53.120 --> 0:52:56.160 went completely away from music, and you know, has a 0:52:56.160 --> 0:52:59.520 beautiful family and everything's actually he does the music. He 0:52:59.520 --> 0:53:03.520 does Christian music because it's say it turns to turn 0:53:03.560 --> 0:53:07.000 you out, make you go completely, it'll make you go 0:53:07.120 --> 0:53:10.480 may So you know what I'm saying. 0:53:11.040 --> 0:53:12.040 He chose that rot. 0:53:12.200 --> 0:53:15.279 But really great guy, very very still when I hear 0:53:15.360 --> 0:53:17.919 stuff he does, you know its still got that same time. 0:53:18.760 --> 0:53:19.600 Yeah, great guy. 0:53:19.960 --> 0:53:22.279 Can we just stay in complex and put simplicity for 0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:24.319 a second, because I wanted to ask you a question 0:53:24.360 --> 0:53:27.040 about songs, like I wanted to ask you know, you 0:53:27.040 --> 0:53:29.640 said you were on the studio crying and I was 0:53:29.920 --> 0:53:32.040 looking at the list and I was like, you'll never 0:53:32.120 --> 0:53:34.880 find which could technically be like one of those songs, 0:53:35.080 --> 0:53:37.520 but it comes so hard, And I was curious about 0:53:37.560 --> 0:53:40.879 the story behind that song too, like and I guess 0:53:40.920 --> 0:53:41.520 it's all rare. 0:53:41.600 --> 0:53:43.280 Yeah, how much of this is all about. 0:53:43.680 --> 0:53:45.040 I'm guessing all of it is. 0:53:45.080 --> 0:53:46.880 Which is the time I did. 0:53:47.040 --> 0:53:48.440 I didn't know that at the time they would be 0:53:48.440 --> 0:53:49.200 like this time about Rat. 0:53:49.200 --> 0:53:50.719 I'm like, no, it's not because. 0:53:50.480 --> 0:53:51.680 It was pouring out so naturally. 0:53:51.760 --> 0:53:53.400 I didn't think it was about anything. 0:53:53.480 --> 0:53:55.680 I didn't know what I was doing, you know what 0:53:55.719 --> 0:53:56.000 I mean. 0:53:56.040 --> 0:54:00.439 I just was pouring out. And you'll never find what's 0:54:00.760 --> 0:54:06.520 the the lady I can't stand and right and people 0:54:06.800 --> 0:54:11.040 and people's see sample and she was singing, you know 0:54:11.200 --> 0:54:13.759 on that record, the samp that we sampled. You know, 0:54:13.800 --> 0:54:15.759 you'll never find a better woman or a bigger fool. 0:54:15.840 --> 0:54:18.319 So we knew. I knew that's what I was gonna 0:54:18.320 --> 0:54:20.359 build off of. When he told me the sample, man, 0:54:20.400 --> 0:54:22.279 you should hear me. And Paulie had this great thing, 0:54:22.400 --> 0:54:24.200 like I've never. 0:54:24.120 --> 0:54:25.239 Had this before in my life. 0:54:25.400 --> 0:54:26.920 The same thing like with me and Ras had this 0:54:27.000 --> 0:54:28.279 great thing and I've never had it again. 0:54:28.360 --> 0:54:30.120 It's like these two, those two. 0:54:29.960 --> 0:54:32.719 Guys, we had this connection that was something different. And 0:54:32.760 --> 0:54:35.000 with Paulie in the music side, we would sit there 0:54:35.000 --> 0:54:37.600 and like get so excited, you know what I mean, 0:54:37.760 --> 0:54:39.360 so excited about the music. And so he would he 0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:42.400 let me hear the sample, and he was let me 0:54:42.440 --> 0:54:44.319 hear where it came from and let me hear what 0:54:44.400 --> 0:54:46.600 he did. It was really amazing, and I was like 0:54:46.640 --> 0:54:48.279 and he was just using a I think he used 0:54:48.280 --> 0:54:50.480 a bit of her singing in it, and I was like. 0:54:50.400 --> 0:54:51.319 Okay, that's what I'm gonna do. 0:54:51.360 --> 0:54:54.359 I'm gonna speak on that because I was going through 0:54:54.360 --> 0:54:56.239 a bunch of shit in my relationship at the time, 0:54:56.600 --> 0:54:58.839 and I was leaving. I hadn't left yet. I mean 0:54:58.880 --> 0:55:01.120 I was like one foot in, one foot out. You know, 0:55:01.239 --> 0:55:03.920 when you're a mother of somebody's children, they kind of 0:55:03.920 --> 0:55:06.840 got access to you, probably up until five. So I 0:55:06.840 --> 0:55:08.799 always tell my homegirls like, if he got a baby, 0:55:08.800 --> 0:55:12.279 mama and he's still smashing kids, not five, because that's 0:55:12.360 --> 0:55:15.439 just kind of how it goes. I don't know why, 0:55:15.480 --> 0:55:15.880 but it does. 0:55:26.960 --> 0:55:31.359 So this is essentially wait, can I ask it? How 0:55:31.440 --> 0:55:39.320 familiar were you with Marvin Gayes here, my dear, and 0:55:39.360 --> 0:55:42.719 how much influence did that have? I mean, at what 0:55:42.800 --> 0:55:47.840 point did you realize that this wasn't just an album 0:55:47.920 --> 0:55:52.120 of yours but this was your diary, your social media 0:55:52.280 --> 0:55:55.840 you're Were there anything that was too t and I 0:55:56.000 --> 0:55:58.440 that you decided no, I can't put this verse on 0:55:58.520 --> 0:56:00.919 there or this this is everything not for sale? 0:56:01.200 --> 0:56:01.640 Not for sale? 0:56:01.719 --> 0:56:03.400 No I didn't. I didn't have that kind of stuff 0:56:03.480 --> 0:56:05.279 or for cool at the time, I just was doing 0:56:05.320 --> 0:56:09.000 whatever came out. I didn't know to filter myself. But 0:56:09.080 --> 0:56:11.959 let's let's let me tell you this. I had heard 0:56:12.000 --> 0:56:13.600 Here my Dear, great. 0:56:13.480 --> 0:56:15.360 Album, blah blah blah, but not really paying attention. 0:56:15.440 --> 0:56:20.640 You know. I hadn't really paid attention like that until afterwards, 0:56:21.200 --> 0:56:24.000 I was. I got into it and I connected with 0:56:24.080 --> 0:56:25.760 it so very much. 0:56:26.320 --> 0:56:29.640 I heard it before, but I think not until. 0:56:29.440 --> 0:56:34.960 I lived that and then experienced it after it. And 0:56:35.000 --> 0:56:38.080 I remember one time I pulled up the Blakesleep and 0:56:38.200 --> 0:56:39.239 I was playing. 0:56:40.600 --> 0:56:42.719 I was playing Here my Dear, and hand was like, 0:56:42.920 --> 0:56:43.640 don't listen to that. 0:56:43.880 --> 0:56:48.759 No, don't. He was like that to yourself, don't listen 0:56:48.840 --> 0:56:50.839 to that that you shouldn't you want to be happy, 0:56:50.880 --> 0:56:52.200 don't listen to that. I mean, it was just like 0:56:52.800 --> 0:56:55.120 I didn't know. I didn't to say when you asked, 0:56:55.160 --> 0:56:57.839 when did I know? It was my dad diary. Plus 0:56:57.880 --> 0:57:00.160 I didn't know the album was that good because I'm 0:57:00.200 --> 0:57:02.640 hard on myself, right, so I never thought it was 0:57:02.680 --> 0:57:03.120 that good. 0:57:03.360 --> 0:57:05.080 I didn't know that album was that good until about 0:57:05.080 --> 0:57:06.560 three years later, and. 0:57:08.719 --> 0:57:12.840 Yeah, started coming back to me. 0:57:13.320 --> 0:57:15.080 Yeah, it started coming back to me, you. 0:57:15.040 --> 0:57:18.720 Know, and it became the international that motherfucker album. 0:57:19.960 --> 0:57:23.360 Yeah, people start coming up to you shaking and crying, 0:57:23.840 --> 0:57:26.960 you know, freaking you out. You say, oh, well, maybe 0:57:26.960 --> 0:57:29.840 you did something because of cool you know, maybe maybe 0:57:29.840 --> 0:57:32.760 you did something. But I never I never took it 0:57:32.840 --> 0:57:34.840 that serious to this day, I don't, you know. I 0:57:34.920 --> 0:57:37.320 just feel like we do things it pours out of us. 0:57:37.760 --> 0:57:40.240 I feel like we're just vessels. Like you know, you 0:57:40.360 --> 0:57:41.920 got to open it and then you got the spout 0:57:41.960 --> 0:57:43.840 and God pours into you and you pour out and 0:57:43.880 --> 0:57:44.720 that's just how it goes. 0:57:44.720 --> 0:57:47.360 So I don't want to and I don't. 0:57:47.200 --> 0:57:50.280 Hold lot of ownership to the accolades that come with 0:57:50.360 --> 0:57:53.000 it or the criticism. I don't hold that stuff. So 0:57:53.080 --> 0:57:56.080 I can't really hold you know, like, oh I did 0:57:56.120 --> 0:57:58.200 this stand. I'm just grateful I was. 0:57:58.160 --> 0:58:00.280 A vessel talk about being a girl. 0:58:00.440 --> 0:58:03.520 That one was so for us, like on the on 0:58:03.560 --> 0:58:06.280 the like the heavy hip hop side. The thing that 0:58:06.360 --> 0:58:08.760 caught me about that is it was a sample of 0:58:08.840 --> 0:58:12.080 or a replay of a recogn nods that did called 0:58:12.080 --> 0:58:14.960 one on One, which was it was on the street 0:58:15.000 --> 0:58:19.360 Fighter soundtrack, which like that crazy so random, like it 0:58:19.400 --> 0:58:21.640 wasn't like a big NAS record, but it was you know, 0:58:21.680 --> 0:58:24.000 if you knew what you knew it And so I 0:58:24.080 --> 0:58:25.800 was like, oh damn, she singing over that. Then the 0:58:25.840 --> 0:58:27.919 beat drop, I was like, oh shit, she's singing singing 0:58:28.000 --> 0:58:30.840 like this shit is hard? So how did that one 0:58:31.160 --> 0:58:33.760 get chosen to be the single? And kind of what 0:58:33.800 --> 0:58:36.000 was that trajectory like to see that record kind of 0:58:36.000 --> 0:58:37.080 go up the label. 0:58:36.880 --> 0:58:40.080 Chosen as the single? I thought it was slow. First 0:58:40.120 --> 0:58:41.160 of all, I didn't want to be. 0:58:41.160 --> 0:58:41.800 So mellow y'all. 0:58:41.840 --> 0:58:43.960 Still, I got this hyper I could have been a rapper. 0:58:44.040 --> 0:58:46.160 You know, y'all have such a hyper personality. So I 0:58:46.200 --> 0:58:48.760 didn't want to be so mellow. That's where Polly came 0:58:48.800 --> 0:58:50.840 in to like smooth me out, you know what I mean. 0:58:51.120 --> 0:58:53.640 He was like, well, his number one question was always 0:58:53.680 --> 0:58:54.400 ended annoying the shit. 0:58:54.440 --> 0:58:55.960 I mean he would always be like, what a lia sing? 0:58:56.040 --> 0:58:56.120 This? 0:58:56.440 --> 0:58:58.520 What a lising? This a li do? And I'm like, 0:58:58.600 --> 0:59:01.800 why do you keep? Because I wasn't really I wasn't like, 0:59:02.040 --> 0:59:04.760 you know, simp like soft like that essential like that. 0:59:04.840 --> 0:59:07.640 I mean maybe I was, and I just didn't see it, 0:59:07.720 --> 0:59:09.200 you know what I mean. Because my friend would always 0:59:09.200 --> 0:59:10.840 tell me that's always been you. I didn't see it. 0:59:11.160 --> 0:59:15.000 So when that when we first started on that beat, 0:59:15.040 --> 0:59:19.120 it had these dirty, dirt, way dirtier drums, like kind 0:59:19.120 --> 0:59:22.040 of Brandy signing, not not so like they didn't crack 0:59:22.240 --> 0:59:25.280 like the ones that are actually on the record, and 0:59:25.400 --> 0:59:28.320 Ras did that rasp. He was like, put the Mary 0:59:28.400 --> 0:59:30.720 Jane Girls drums on it instead, you know. And that's 0:59:30.800 --> 0:59:33.280 kind of how that came about. And the street side 0:59:33.320 --> 0:59:35.800 of thing. I'm gonna tell you the truth. I didn't 0:59:35.800 --> 0:59:39.480 know that that was a sample from NAS. I don't know. 0:59:39.960 --> 0:59:48.240 I just would watch Belly every day, multiple times, multiple times, 0:59:48.280 --> 0:59:52.040 didn't on my couch, smoking and joint. Why it probably 0:59:52.040 --> 1:00:00.640 stipping some hype of tubac chuck from Trader Joe's. Yes, 1:00:00.960 --> 1:00:02.560 this is a day where you just have to find 1:00:02.600 --> 1:00:05.040 a little coin to get through, you know. And so 1:00:05.200 --> 1:00:06.800 I would sit there and I would watch it, and 1:00:06.840 --> 1:00:10.680 I just got so infatuated with not I like, I 1:00:10.800 --> 1:00:13.120 made this idea about who this man was that probably 1:00:13.120 --> 1:00:15.480 really wasn't him, and then I just got into like 1:00:15.560 --> 1:00:20.640 listen to his music and all this stuff. I was 1:00:20.800 --> 1:00:23.400 so so so so into him that I just started 1:00:23.400 --> 1:00:26.400 writing this song, you know, with him in mind. 1:00:26.560 --> 1:00:29.800 Like, you know, it wasn't particularly. 1:00:29.400 --> 1:00:37.120 Oh God, but where was he going where my money? 1:00:37.480 --> 1:00:39.440 I put my money where my mouth is. I have 1:00:39.480 --> 1:00:43.520 a closet full of twenty Africas. I knew that. I 1:00:43.600 --> 1:00:45.480 was like, Yo, I'm gonna make me some Africa as 1:00:45.560 --> 1:00:48.880 far as T shirts, I'm my only client. I got 1:00:48.920 --> 1:00:52.480 like twenty Africa's T shirts in my closet right now. 1:00:53.800 --> 1:00:57.360 That is my gym shirt, my pajama. 1:01:00.120 --> 1:01:01.600 Nah. Yeah. 1:01:01.640 --> 1:01:05.680 So with TVT, I wanted to ask you particularly what 1:01:05.840 --> 1:01:08.600 was their deal as a label. I knew them particularly 1:01:09.080 --> 1:01:11.200 from just doing all Little John stuff, you know what 1:01:11.240 --> 1:01:11.680 I'm saying. 1:01:12.160 --> 1:01:14.600 But where your dealings with them? 1:01:14.840 --> 1:01:15.040 Yeah? 1:01:15.080 --> 1:01:15.280 Yeah? 1:01:15.320 --> 1:01:20.200 TV tunes? Yeah yeah, tv Tunes? What was your relationship 1:01:20.200 --> 1:01:20.520 with them? 1:01:20.560 --> 1:01:21.760 And how was? How did they go with them? 1:01:22.760 --> 1:01:25.880 So I went through I don't think I everatory eybody 1:01:25.880 --> 1:01:28.280 it is. So I went through a production company that 1:01:28.480 --> 1:01:31.280 was Paul Pauley and a guy named Dubs. I don't 1:01:31.280 --> 1:01:33.920 know Dove's last slam and sorry Doves, I'm gonna tell you. 1:01:34.400 --> 1:01:38.840 So I went through them, and what happened was they 1:01:38.880 --> 1:01:40.600 signed me to TVT. I really didn't want to go 1:01:40.640 --> 1:01:43.320 to TVT because you know, I've been working with I've 1:01:43.360 --> 1:01:45.480 been working with all these major labels and I really 1:01:45.520 --> 1:01:47.960 didn't want to go to TVT, but I did pray 1:01:48.000 --> 1:01:49.280 and ask Goot to send me the best place. And 1:01:49.320 --> 1:01:51.040 I definitely think that was the best place because I'm 1:01:51.080 --> 1:01:54.520 a natural born indie artist. So we went over there 1:01:54.560 --> 1:01:57.400 to them and also a lot of other places. They 1:01:57.480 --> 1:01:58.720 liked me, but they didn't want me to write my 1:01:58.760 --> 1:02:01.720 whole album. I know, I no one knew who I was, 1:02:01.760 --> 1:02:03.920 but I knew I had to sit it was. The 1:02:03.960 --> 1:02:05.680 whole point was for me to write the album, even 1:02:05.720 --> 1:02:07.760 more than singing it. I wanted to write it, you know, 1:02:08.560 --> 1:02:11.240 And so they agreed for me to do that. And 1:02:12.280 --> 1:02:14.720 Brian shout out to Brian Leech, who is the owner 1:02:14.760 --> 1:02:17.000 of Polo Grounds with Asaph, Rocky and all of them. Now, 1:02:18.080 --> 1:02:20.920 he was at an R at the time, and he 1:02:20.960 --> 1:02:23.560 really really you know, fought for me really really hard 1:02:23.640 --> 1:02:25.840 and and took care of me while I was there. 1:02:25.920 --> 1:02:29.800 But I signed to him directly. I signed him direct 1:02:29.880 --> 1:02:32.920 I went through Bridgehood Entertainment, this production company, because that's 1:02:32.920 --> 1:02:34.120 back when that's what people we do. 1:02:34.200 --> 1:02:35.600 You would go through a pressure company. 1:02:35.840 --> 1:02:41.280 And Doves tried to flip my advance in the streets. 1:02:47.480 --> 1:02:52.480 To break it to be slight, transparent, transparent to the 1:02:52.480 --> 1:02:55.600 point of, yeah, well, yeah, he. 1:02:55.560 --> 1:02:57.040 Tried to cop he didn't go. 1:02:57.640 --> 1:03:01.600 He ended up going, Yeah, he wanted to cop bricks 1:03:01.640 --> 1:03:05.479 with my money, honey, and so he yes, he tried 1:03:05.520 --> 1:03:09.120 to flip my advance and ended up going to jail. 1:03:09.560 --> 1:03:13.439 And then I'm just here and Paulie was the music guy. 1:03:13.520 --> 1:03:16.160 He was the business guy. So I'm just here and 1:03:16.200 --> 1:03:18.400 it's just me and TVT and shout out to Brian 1:03:18.480 --> 1:03:21.440 Leech because he took me and my partner, my sister 1:03:21.480 --> 1:03:23.919 to Mia and he just took us under his wing, 1:03:23.960 --> 1:03:25.919 kind of just looked out for us because we didn't 1:03:25.960 --> 1:03:28.160 know what was going on. We didn't even know, we 1:03:28.280 --> 1:03:31.080 had no clue what was going on, and he kind 1:03:31.080 --> 1:03:33.160 of just took us in and looked out for us. 1:03:33.240 --> 1:03:37.080 And Steve Gottley was like nuts. But I dealt with. 1:03:37.040 --> 1:03:40.080 Him really well because I didn't have expectations. See, when 1:03:40.080 --> 1:03:42.680 you come in and you've gone through the one on 1:03:42.680 --> 1:03:45.960 one of the music people you know, and Hollywood people myself, 1:03:46.120 --> 1:03:48.040 you know they currency already so I knew he was. 1:03:48.000 --> 1:03:51.000 Crazy, but he did give me what I needed, you know. 1:03:51.080 --> 1:03:52.880 I think I was the first. I think Lil John 1:03:52.960 --> 1:03:54.160 was kind of pissed because I was like the first 1:03:54.200 --> 1:03:55.960 one to get like a certain amount of money for 1:03:56.120 --> 1:03:59.080 a video, but but I wanted Hype Williams. They were 1:03:59.120 --> 1:04:00.840 so happy to be a smart all abel to get 1:04:01.200 --> 1:04:03.000 Ky Williams that they just gave them, you know, and 1:04:03.000 --> 1:04:08.480 it was still a discount belief right exactly. So TVT 1:04:08.720 --> 1:04:11.320 I have no qualms. People have such bad things to 1:04:11.320 --> 1:04:13.160 say about the people that put them on because it 1:04:13.200 --> 1:04:15.840 didn't go right. You wouldn't be here without those people. 1:04:15.920 --> 1:04:19.120 So I have nothing bad to say about TVT. Shout 1:04:19.120 --> 1:04:21.440 out to Steve Gottlieb, and I love Bryan Leach. He's 1:04:21.440 --> 1:04:23.360 one of my really really good friends. TVT was very 1:04:23.440 --> 1:04:24.960 very good to me, and I think it was a 1:04:25.000 --> 1:04:27.680 great place for me as well to hone my skills because, 1:04:27.680 --> 1:04:29.200 like I told you, the first song I ever wrote 1:04:29.280 --> 1:04:31.400 was on my first album, so I hadn't been doing 1:04:31.440 --> 1:04:33.920 it long, so I got time to just like go 1:04:33.960 --> 1:04:35.919 into studio, and a lot of times I was using 1:04:35.960 --> 1:04:37.680 their money to write so much for other people that 1:04:37.680 --> 1:04:40.040 I'm supposed to be working on my own, So they 1:04:40.120 --> 1:04:42.080 helped me a lot. Brian Leach would just put me 1:04:42.120 --> 1:04:44.520 in the studio any city I'm in I would get like, 1:04:44.520 --> 1:04:46.080 I'm in such and such, can you put yourself? He 1:04:46.080 --> 1:04:48.600 would put me in and I would just hone my skills. 1:04:48.600 --> 1:04:50.320 And you know, the more you do anything, the better 1:04:50.360 --> 1:04:52.800 you get at it. So TVT was a great college. 1:04:53.760 --> 1:04:55.720 And while you're doing all this, where are your boys? 1:04:55.760 --> 1:04:57.280 How are you handling being a mom? 1:04:57.600 --> 1:05:00.400 I lived in California with at that time, I lived 1:05:00.400 --> 1:05:03.440 and we live in an area called Altadena, and we 1:05:03.520 --> 1:05:06.680 literally live like two streets over from each other. We 1:05:06.760 --> 1:05:11.160 all it's like a little above Pasadena, a little neighborhood 1:05:11.240 --> 1:05:14.960 nestled into the mountains, and they would look out for me. 1:05:14.960 --> 1:05:17.400 And my mom was sick. She was probably she passed 1:05:17.400 --> 1:05:19.040 by that time. My mom had passed by the time, 1:05:19.080 --> 1:05:21.040 so she couldn't help out. But my sisters would help. 1:05:21.080 --> 1:05:23.880 And Raz's mom she would help so much like my 1:05:23.960 --> 1:05:24.479 first tour. 1:05:24.560 --> 1:05:25.760 She took them stuff like that. 1:05:25.840 --> 1:05:29.320 But for the most part, I was being able to 1:05:29.320 --> 1:05:32.040 be there, definitely able to be there. I prayed and 1:05:32.080 --> 1:05:35.280 ask God that my kids would be certain kind of people, 1:05:35.720 --> 1:05:38.120 and I think that that God was like, Okay, well, 1:05:38.120 --> 1:05:38.800 you're gonna have to be there. 1:05:38.800 --> 1:05:40.120 You're not gonna be able to do a lot of things. 1:05:40.120 --> 1:05:41.880 These other people are doing because you have to be 1:05:41.880 --> 1:05:43.440 present for your kids and that's kind of how. 1:05:43.400 --> 1:05:46.720 It hands out. Does this explain why there was such 1:05:46.760 --> 1:05:49.880 a long gap between albums? 1:05:50.800 --> 1:05:53.480 Oh, I gotta have something to say it because I 1:05:53.480 --> 1:05:55.680 would really love to be somebody that could churn it 1:05:55.720 --> 1:05:58.640 out like that, Like I just really have to have 1:05:58.720 --> 1:06:02.480 some life experience. Like after I did Complact Simplicity, I 1:06:02.520 --> 1:06:04.840 didn't know what to say. I just knew how to 1:06:04.840 --> 1:06:07.440 make music really good, you know what I'm saying. 1:06:07.640 --> 1:06:09.600 How did you feel when the album was mastered in 1:06:09.680 --> 1:06:13.880 sequence and done with? Like? Was it? Was it a purge? 1:06:13.920 --> 1:06:16.400 Feeling like Okay, I got everything out that I wanted 1:06:16.560 --> 1:06:19.439 to get out and what now? 1:06:19.640 --> 1:06:24.200 Or I wasn't I wasn't present, so I don't know. 1:06:24.600 --> 1:06:27.280 I can't tell you like I was just rolling YEA 1:06:27.320 --> 1:06:30.720 does understand? Okay, family fall apart, mom dies, Now you 1:06:30.720 --> 1:06:32.240 have here an album, Now you on the road, blah 1:06:32.240 --> 1:06:32.600 blah blah. 1:06:32.640 --> 1:06:33.760 I have time to think about it. 1:06:34.040 --> 1:06:35.320 You get time to process it. 1:06:35.600 --> 1:06:37.840 And then are you making sure you're making up for 1:06:37.880 --> 1:06:39.280 what you're doing? Because I'm thinking about now you go 1:06:39.360 --> 1:06:41.520 on the road singing the same sad songs that you 1:06:41.720 --> 1:06:43.360 that you came up with, you know that you were 1:06:43.400 --> 1:06:44.720 trying to get out of your system. 1:06:46.160 --> 1:06:47.800 That's no more. 1:06:47.800 --> 1:06:50.640 I didn't get ship one thing about a Saturdy tavist. 1:06:50.720 --> 1:06:51.520 On't we get it. 1:06:51.480 --> 1:06:59.520 Outand no, I knowd friends, I'm sorry, But once we 1:06:59.640 --> 1:07:01.040 get out what we have to say, we. 1:07:01.000 --> 1:07:04.040 Don't care anymore. We don't care anymore, you know, like 1:07:04.080 --> 1:07:05.760 once we say what we have to say, and we 1:07:05.800 --> 1:07:08.200 can say some file ship and we don't mean to 1:07:08.240 --> 1:07:11.840 be so, but but once we get it out, it's done. 1:07:11.920 --> 1:07:13.600 And I was like, come on, look it maybe something 1:07:13.600 --> 1:07:15.720 to eat, let's have a drink's good. 1:07:15.520 --> 1:07:17.800 You know, yeah, And then we just left with the 1:07:17.840 --> 1:07:19.320 ship and be like, okay, well wait a minute, and 1:07:19.320 --> 1:07:20.320 then get my mind right now. 1:07:20.320 --> 1:07:23.040 You just dropped the bomb and what a to do? 1:07:23.200 --> 1:07:23.720 That information? 1:07:24.080 --> 1:07:25.800 But it's not like I'm not offering a drink with 1:07:25.840 --> 1:07:28.720 that information after information. So I'm on stage just having 1:07:28.720 --> 1:07:30.840 a good time. Now I'm out here just having a 1:07:30.840 --> 1:07:32.840 good time. You know. That's when it just turned into 1:07:33.080 --> 1:07:37.320 so much fun, traveling all around, realizing I'm not the 1:07:37.400 --> 1:07:40.720 only crazy one, because if you all here singing this 1:07:40.800 --> 1:07:43.040 stuff with me, and you can relate, y'all just as 1:07:43.080 --> 1:07:45.480 nutty as me. So I'm not the only one. 1:07:45.840 --> 1:07:54.840 I'm okay. I'm trying to remember. This is a legendary location. 1:07:55.520 --> 1:07:59.640 The album cover. Did you shoot that cover? The infamous? 1:07:59.680 --> 1:08:04.240 Do you know these style houses? Is that okay? 1:08:04.400 --> 1:08:07.440 So I think it's a missentry modern. Is that you're 1:08:07.440 --> 1:08:09.240 talking about the style of it, the architectal style? No? 1:08:09.160 --> 1:08:11.920 No, no, okay, So it's it's kind of the house 1:08:12.520 --> 1:08:16.720 that you see in every holly to do with it? 1:08:17.080 --> 1:08:21.280 Yeah, it's what what was the Ricky Lyon? Is that 1:08:21.360 --> 1:08:26.120 the first place that was? Yeah, that's the one I 1:08:26.120 --> 1:08:26.360 saw it. 1:08:28.080 --> 1:08:32.720 It's literally it's called no Style s T a h L. 1:08:32.960 --> 1:08:33.960 And it's, uh, that's. 1:08:33.800 --> 1:08:34.320 What it's called. 1:08:35.280 --> 1:08:38.759 Yeah, well not the it's it's it's just that's the location. 1:08:38.920 --> 1:08:42.599 They titled it the Style House, and it's been used 1:08:42.640 --> 1:08:47.280 in over you know, at least three hundred I mean 1:08:47.360 --> 1:08:51.880 probably more than five hundred Hollywood movies. But it's it's 1:08:51.960 --> 1:08:54.640 very recognizable. So when I saw that window thing in 1:08:54.640 --> 1:08:55.520 the back's. 1:08:55.280 --> 1:08:57.679 The only part of the house this nice looking? 1:08:59.120 --> 1:09:02.920 I was I was going to ask you, okay because 1:09:02.960 --> 1:09:07.400 similar to similar to the diner that Quentin Tarantino used 1:09:07.400 --> 1:09:11.120 in pulp Fiction, which is another kind of Hollywood staple 1:09:11.200 --> 1:09:14.599 like this. This diner is never used to serve food. 1:09:14.600 --> 1:09:18.320 It's only used for movie houses to look like it's 1:09:18.320 --> 1:09:21.120 a diner. But I went in there once and it 1:09:21.200 --> 1:09:24.920 looked horrible. I always wanted to know, like if that 1:09:24.960 --> 1:09:28.599 house was vintage or was it classic, or when. 1:09:28.479 --> 1:09:31.960 I was there, there was still a lady living there. 1:09:31.960 --> 1:09:33.559 I mean, I don't know if it was this old couple, 1:09:33.600 --> 1:09:35.479 but the old lady was still in there, and I 1:09:36.080 --> 1:09:37.920 ended up seeing I saw her in her bed and 1:09:37.960 --> 1:09:39.280 like she was kind of sick or whatever. But they 1:09:39.320 --> 1:09:41.640 had like carpeted and it was kind of mill like. 1:09:41.800 --> 1:09:44.360 Only one that part, that part of the house, for 1:09:44.439 --> 1:09:45.439 the window winds in that area. 1:09:45.479 --> 1:09:47.160 That's the only part of the house that was nice. 1:09:47.160 --> 1:09:49.120 I'm sure now they probably invested more money in it 1:09:49.160 --> 1:09:52.040 to make it better with maybe not really or maybe 1:09:52.040 --> 1:09:53.559 not because it was it was doing what it was doing. 1:09:53.600 --> 1:09:55.760 Either way, you know, it's supposed to look like it's 1:09:56.000 --> 1:09:57.639 nineteen sixty or sixty five. 1:09:57.720 --> 1:10:00.639 So that's not the part I'm talking about. I'm talking 1:10:00.680 --> 1:10:03.160 about the other part of the house where it's okay 1:10:03.200 --> 1:10:06.760 for it to look nineteen sixties. But there were technical 1:10:06.840 --> 1:10:09.120 issues like mildew carpet, you know what I mean, Like 1:10:09.160 --> 1:10:11.040 these things can be changed out. You could put more 1:10:11.080 --> 1:10:12.719 carpet and still be nineteen sixties. 1:10:13.520 --> 1:10:18.200 So how did your what was the most apparent change 1:10:19.720 --> 1:10:23.320 in your life now that you made the transition from 1:10:24.080 --> 1:10:29.120 you know, not being a singer to being well known 1:10:29.840 --> 1:10:34.040 in singing, Like what was the where were the pros 1:10:34.080 --> 1:10:38.639 and cons of your newfound transition? 1:10:39.800 --> 1:10:42.280 The pros as a writer, I started making a lot 1:10:42.280 --> 1:10:46.920 of money. That was really cool. I was literally without 1:10:46.920 --> 1:10:48.720 a place to live. I'll stay homeless, but I was 1:10:48.760 --> 1:10:50.920 without a place to live because I could live in family, right, 1:10:51.479 --> 1:10:54.000 but I didn't have anywhere to live. I had to 1:10:55.280 --> 1:10:56.800 I got invicted. Well I don't get evicted, but I 1:10:56.800 --> 1:10:59.560 had to leave before I got evicted, And being a 1:10:59.600 --> 1:11:00.799 kids would just kind of like. 1:11:02.240 --> 1:11:03.400 Stand where we could. 1:11:03.920 --> 1:11:05.960 And then like a three hundred thousand dollars check came, 1:11:07.160 --> 1:11:09.320 and it just then it just started coming every few 1:11:09.439 --> 1:11:10.680 months more and more and more. 1:11:10.800 --> 1:11:13.479 That it was that that was all songwriting royalties from 1:11:13.680 --> 1:11:14.759 song because. 1:11:14.520 --> 1:11:15.360 You have understandabody. 1:11:15.360 --> 1:11:16.960 It was like checking for complex supposed to be like 1:11:17.000 --> 1:11:19.800 that that was just you know, artist, I mean, that 1:11:19.920 --> 1:11:23.000 was probably like a little sprinkling there somewhere, but it 1:11:23.040 --> 1:11:26.400 wasn't like the bulk of it. And that was really 1:11:26.439 --> 1:11:29.799 really cool. That was cool to like go from having 1:11:29.840 --> 1:11:33.360 nothing and to see that like your intellect, your intellectual 1:11:33.360 --> 1:11:37.519 property could garnishes. And people started to come at me, 1:11:37.800 --> 1:11:39.439 you know, to kind of sign publishing, and it felt 1:11:39.520 --> 1:11:41.920 very cool, cool to say no, I'm okay, so. 1:11:41.920 --> 1:11:45.760 Right now, song placement money is good money if you 1:11:45.800 --> 1:11:48.840 can place it on the right artist. 1:11:49.479 --> 1:11:52.160 Yes, And I also think you got to own your 1:11:52.200 --> 1:11:55.120 publishing because if somebody, if somebody gave you a check 1:11:55.160 --> 1:11:57.400 and now they taken you know, see thou used to 1:11:57.400 --> 1:11:58.719 tell me you used always try to get on pulish 1:11:58.760 --> 1:12:00.759 and he was saying, didn't you. You must not believe 1:12:00.760 --> 1:12:01.320 in yourself. 1:12:01.680 --> 1:12:02.360 You don't believe in it. 1:12:02.479 --> 1:12:04.840 Steve got be the owner of the owner of TV. 1:12:05.479 --> 1:12:07.360 He would say, he would say, you don't believe in yourself, 1:12:07.400 --> 1:12:09.360 You don't believe yourself. Why wouldn't you sell your publish 1:12:09.400 --> 1:12:11.960 and you must not believe in yourself? And I would 1:12:11.960 --> 1:12:13.559 live laugh like that. I would I. 1:12:13.640 --> 1:12:16.120 Believe in myself. That's why I'm not selling the shit right. 1:12:17.560 --> 1:12:19.960 But that was my that was my biggest change and then, 1:12:20.560 --> 1:12:22.240 because you have to understand, I didn't meet people. I 1:12:22.240 --> 1:12:24.639 wouldn't walk down the street and people noticed. It wasn't 1:12:24.640 --> 1:12:26.360 like anything like that. And not until I got to 1:12:26.360 --> 1:12:29.360 me like Europe or something, that's where people would notice me. 1:12:29.600 --> 1:12:32.800 But I got to make money, which really kind of 1:12:34.000 --> 1:12:36.080 Raphael Sadik is one of the artists that I watched 1:12:36.080 --> 1:12:37.479 and looked at and what he did, and it was 1:12:37.560 --> 1:12:40.320 kind of like, I love how his theme goes, Okay, 1:12:40.320 --> 1:12:43.000 he doesn't Raphael can walk or he can walk around 1:12:43.400 --> 1:12:46.160 be himself himself, you know every now and it's maybe Rafael, 1:12:46.960 --> 1:12:49.880 but he doesn't get not an essene of course, but 1:12:49.920 --> 1:12:52.320 I mean like he he he gets people that comes 1:12:52.400 --> 1:12:55.280 up to but it's not like in a bothersome way. 1:12:55.360 --> 1:12:57.360 He gets to do what he loves, live his life, 1:12:57.439 --> 1:12:59.280 make his money, be a normal person, you know what 1:12:59.320 --> 1:13:01.320 I mean. And I saw that from the gate and 1:13:01.360 --> 1:13:03.680 I thought that was super super cool. So I was 1:13:03.760 --> 1:13:06.280 kind of like, not never. I hate to say it, 1:13:06.280 --> 1:13:08.160 but I've never really wanted any type of fame. I 1:13:08.200 --> 1:13:10.559 just wanted to be heard because I'm not the type 1:13:10.560 --> 1:13:12.000 of person that you can just run up on my 1:13:12.000 --> 1:13:15.000 face with cameras and say something crazy to me or 1:13:15.160 --> 1:13:19.000 and then I have to now conduct myself like a celebrity. 1:13:19.479 --> 1:13:21.880 I'm not gonna conduct myself like a celebrity. I'm gonna 1:13:21.920 --> 1:13:24.880 conduct myself like a real person with real feelings, and 1:13:25.000 --> 1:13:26.920 I'm gonna treat you according to how you treat me, 1:13:26.960 --> 1:13:28.680 no matter who you are, you know what I mean. 1:13:28.720 --> 1:13:30.560 So that was something I was really grateful for. I 1:13:30.600 --> 1:13:33.840 didn't really I didn't want that. Nothing I even see 1:13:33.840 --> 1:13:34.519 that happen people. 1:13:34.640 --> 1:13:36.320 I was just gonna say, that's why it's important to share, 1:13:36.400 --> 1:13:39.400 like your story, That's why I mean, it's remarkable in 1:13:39.439 --> 1:13:41.200 that way because you are that person and the same thing. 1:13:41.200 --> 1:13:42.680 I know Fante talks about that all the time, but 1:13:42.680 --> 1:13:44.599 a lot of people don't know that, Like, you can 1:13:44.640 --> 1:13:47.479 be a whole, working, successful musician and you don't have 1:13:47.520 --> 1:13:50.560 to be on every commercial, every TV thing and be happy. 1:13:50.960 --> 1:13:52.000 Unless that's what you. 1:13:53.720 --> 1:13:53.880 Want. 1:13:54.240 --> 1:13:54.760 That's what you. 1:13:54.760 --> 1:13:56.720 Want, And I think it's beautiful when people want that 1:13:56.760 --> 1:13:58.680 and they get that. But so when people ask me, 1:13:58.840 --> 1:14:01.840 you know what anybody should to get to know what. 1:14:01.760 --> 1:14:05.880 You want anything more so than that, know who you are, like, 1:14:05.920 --> 1:14:08.400 because I think there's some people that are like they 1:14:08.520 --> 1:14:11.120 just have that thing of like like a Will Smith right, 1:14:11.240 --> 1:14:13.639 just as it was not a singer, but just Will 1:14:13.840 --> 1:14:16.599 is Will. Like he one minute he jumping out a plane, 1:14:16.640 --> 1:14:19.120 and then he doing a movie, and then he's discovering Earth, 1:14:19.160 --> 1:14:21.120 and then this nigga losing weight like you know what 1:14:21.120 --> 1:14:23.960 I mean, Like he just always is doing something, and 1:14:23.960 --> 1:14:25.720 and there are just sill some people that are just 1:14:25.760 --> 1:14:28.240 those big personalities, and then there's just some people that's 1:14:28.280 --> 1:14:29.920 just like, look, I just want to make what I make, 1:14:30.000 --> 1:14:31.840 put it out, and then y'all leave me the fuck alone. 1:14:32.400 --> 1:14:36.559 Now you have a second job, and they don't ever 1:14:36.600 --> 1:14:38.439 say I'm not so successful. I get up every day 1:14:38.439 --> 1:14:39.200 and do what I want to do. 1:14:39.320 --> 1:14:41.559 You know what I'm saying that when I'm talking, I. 1:14:41.600 --> 1:14:43.960 Might not be in a cover or magazine. I might 1:14:44.040 --> 1:14:45.720 not be the song you hear every time you came 1:14:45.800 --> 1:14:47.920 on the radio. But if I wanted. 1:14:47.640 --> 1:14:49.800 That, please believe me, I would have it. I never 1:14:49.840 --> 1:14:50.519 had intention of that. 1:14:50.720 --> 1:14:53.920 All I wanted to do was not work some type 1:14:53.920 --> 1:14:55.479 of job I hate it, and be able to take 1:14:55.520 --> 1:14:56.640 care of my kids. That was it. 1:14:56.720 --> 1:14:58.280 Yeah, that's why this is a surprise. 1:14:58.320 --> 1:14:58.639 I'm sorry. 1:14:59.000 --> 1:15:00.240 I'm just saying that's why I was not surpris to 1:15:00.240 --> 1:15:01.639 hear her response in that way, because if you're a real 1:15:01.680 --> 1:15:03.160 fan of Teaser Moses and you kind. 1:15:03.000 --> 1:15:06.320 Of kind of had a feeling, that makes sense. Yes, yes, yeah, 1:15:06.439 --> 1:15:07.000 how did so? 1:15:07.720 --> 1:15:11.519 Speaking of that, how did your situation with MMG, how 1:15:11.520 --> 1:15:12.760 did that come about? 1:15:12.800 --> 1:15:15.160 And what was kind of the like, how did that go? 1:15:16.240 --> 1:15:16.439 Well? 1:15:16.479 --> 1:15:17.439 I lived in Miami. 1:15:17.600 --> 1:15:19.559 I moved to Miami, I think two thousand and nine, 1:15:19.680 --> 1:15:21.479 all the two thousand and nine I moved to so 1:15:21.520 --> 1:15:25.640 by twenty ten, I think Ross had caught lind to me. 1:15:25.760 --> 1:15:27.479 I think he found out about me in Atlanta because 1:15:27.479 --> 1:15:29.400 Atlanta is a really huge market for me, and so 1:15:29.840 --> 1:15:32.160 he found out for me in Atlanta. He said some. 1:15:32.160 --> 1:15:34.080 Rashet girls telling him about me. 1:15:34.080 --> 1:15:36.280 Or something like that, and then he reached out to 1:15:36.360 --> 1:15:39.519 me on DM because we only lived about ten minutes 1:15:39.560 --> 1:15:41.639 twenty minutes away from each other like that, Yes, come 1:15:41.680 --> 1:15:44.639 over and then we all hung out and it was cool, 1:15:44.720 --> 1:15:48.080 you know, and that's he had it had just gotten meat. 1:15:48.200 --> 1:15:50.559 Well he hadn't signed any about it yet. It got meat, 1:15:50.560 --> 1:15:51.960 and he got wild and he kind of was like 1:15:52.040 --> 1:15:56.080 kind of building his thing and I would just go 1:15:56.120 --> 1:15:58.680 in and sing on stuff and it was cool. But 1:15:58.720 --> 1:15:59.960 it just never panded to anything. 1:16:00.520 --> 1:16:01.720 Okay, gotcha. 1:16:01.800 --> 1:16:04.519 So the record when you put out Kanyak and Conversation, 1:16:04.680 --> 1:16:07.920 was that stuff you recorded wow, like during the energy 1:16:08.040 --> 1:16:10.040 time or was that just a completely different thing. 1:16:10.479 --> 1:16:12.519 It was during the MMG time. 1:16:12.640 --> 1:16:15.080 But I was never signed to them and anything that 1:16:15.120 --> 1:16:16.599 I was doing for like. 1:16:16.600 --> 1:16:18.800 I pray for all that, like, you know, I was 1:16:18.840 --> 1:16:19.639 taking care of that. 1:16:19.720 --> 1:16:21.680 Like it was just something I was doing while I 1:16:21.760 --> 1:16:26.680 was discussing with them, you know, if we were going 1:16:26.760 --> 1:16:29.960 to do something or not. You know. But I'm like 1:16:29.960 --> 1:16:32.439 a one, I'm a I'm a woman, you know, like 1:16:32.439 --> 1:16:34.320 I'm a grown woman. So it's like kind of different 1:16:34.320 --> 1:16:35.360 to have this, you know. 1:16:35.520 --> 1:16:36.880 I don't really just slip. 1:16:36.680 --> 1:16:46.400 In line with everything. I'm teacher though, not girl woman 1:16:46.920 --> 1:16:47.960 with two kids. 1:16:48.120 --> 1:16:48.360 You know. 1:16:48.760 --> 1:16:49.640 Yeah, you know. 1:16:49.720 --> 1:16:52.040 But it panned out, and I was really grateful because 1:16:52.040 --> 1:16:54.800 I would give him. I think probably up until like 1:16:54.800 --> 1:16:56.800 maybe two hours ago, I was seeing all over his stuff. 1:16:56.800 --> 1:17:00.320 I'm very loyal to anybody that extends a hand to me. 1:17:00.720 --> 1:17:02.760 I'm very very loyal. If you need anything from me, 1:17:02.920 --> 1:17:06.040 you know, I'm just I'm if you have ever done 1:17:06.040 --> 1:17:08.720 anything to be helpful to me, I'm always seen and 1:17:08.760 --> 1:17:10.200 so I would sing on this stuff or whatever. So 1:17:10.200 --> 1:17:12.120 people thought I was still connected because I was seeing 1:17:13.400 --> 1:17:13.800 it was. 1:17:13.840 --> 1:17:19.160 The process different than this record, and that you worked 1:17:19.200 --> 1:17:25.400 with one producer yeah for the last and multiple producers 1:17:25.400 --> 1:17:26.280 for this record. 1:17:26.680 --> 1:17:30.720 Yes, very much so, because I did tons of mixtapes 1:17:30.800 --> 1:17:33.519 before that album came out, right, and so I was 1:17:33.600 --> 1:17:38.519 kind of like it was just really liked. 1:17:37.200 --> 1:17:38.720 That was the one for me, Like that was it? 1:17:38.800 --> 1:17:39.880 Oh, thank you? 1:17:39.960 --> 1:17:40.160 Yeah. 1:17:40.160 --> 1:17:42.000 But I would do these mixtape and I think because 1:17:42.040 --> 1:17:43.680 like I said, the first album, I did you have 1:17:43.760 --> 1:17:46.479 things saying I had not only did I have Paul Pauli, 1:17:46.600 --> 1:17:50.000 I had Neo, and I had Paul Pauli and Neo 1:17:50.040 --> 1:17:52.519 and they were helping me through this process of creating 1:17:52.520 --> 1:17:55.559 an album. Then I didn't have that anymore. And then 1:17:55.680 --> 1:17:57.519 so now I'm just making these mixtapes and I'm kind 1:17:57.520 --> 1:18:01.559 of learning how to make an album brough exercising, making mixtapes, 1:18:01.640 --> 1:18:03.599 making all these mistakes. So by the time I get 1:18:03.640 --> 1:18:06.240 to konnak and conversation, that's just the mood I'm in. 1:18:06.600 --> 1:18:09.640 But I kind of just gathered. I make music constantly, 1:18:09.800 --> 1:18:12.799 always making music. I'll started just be like a first 1:18:12.920 --> 1:18:15.160 and a hook vattle later for two years, you know, 1:18:15.439 --> 1:18:17.320 and then I'll come back to it and the first 1:18:17.320 --> 1:18:18.360 and the hook that comes to that, and then I 1:18:18.439 --> 1:18:20.360 listened to the music and now now I'm doing more 1:18:20.400 --> 1:18:22.200 to the music and things like that. And that's kind 1:18:22.200 --> 1:18:25.920 of how the process was for Konnak and conversation. I 1:18:26.000 --> 1:18:29.800 didn't have this pain to pour out. 1:18:30.200 --> 1:18:32.879 It was more so just like music coming. 1:18:32.680 --> 1:18:36.240 Out than these feelings. Do you see what I'm saying? 1:18:36.320 --> 1:18:38.200 So it was that hard for you because that was 1:18:39.160 --> 1:18:40.880 that was Yeah, that was something that was tough, like 1:18:41.000 --> 1:18:43.799 learning how to when you're used to, I guess creating 1:18:43.840 --> 1:18:45.960 from a place of pain or trauma or like a 1:18:45.960 --> 1:18:46.599 bad relationship. 1:18:46.680 --> 1:18:48.240 I got the whole Mary Blake, J Blos. 1:18:48.600 --> 1:18:51.920 The more saying I'm in the better than music. It 1:18:52.000 --> 1:18:54.559 really is really whack, you know, to the point where 1:18:54.600 --> 1:19:02.000 I'll thrust myself into some bullshit just to learn. 1:19:02.640 --> 1:19:06.000 You're not the first person I know that keeps their 1:19:06.120 --> 1:19:08.760 ex on standby. Well no, no, no, I'm not saying you 1:19:08.800 --> 1:19:12.599 said that, But I know people that actually, I gotta 1:19:12.640 --> 1:19:15.519 get with my ex real quick. No, I know people 1:19:15.520 --> 1:19:20.400 that actually right get their ex on standby so they 1:19:20.439 --> 1:19:22.519 can finish this last verse or something I need. 1:19:22.600 --> 1:19:23.799 I need some toxic tails. 1:19:23.920 --> 1:19:26.000 You know. Really what it is is like you need 1:19:26.080 --> 1:19:28.759 to feel because I'm a genuine person, so I can't. 1:19:29.320 --> 1:19:32.599 I can't just you know, act like I feel something. 1:19:32.760 --> 1:19:35.080 I always everything I said, everything I say and do 1:19:35.200 --> 1:19:36.479 is coming from my heart, you know what I mean? 1:19:36.520 --> 1:19:39.000 So like I just at that time, Kanyak and conversation 1:19:39.120 --> 1:19:39.839 was more about. 1:19:39.600 --> 1:19:42.200 Okay, you're at a place where you you know, you're. 1:19:42.320 --> 1:19:44.840 You're not in pain anymore, you're killing whatever, and you're 1:19:44.840 --> 1:19:46.400 ready to go out here and do your thing. You're 1:19:46.400 --> 1:19:48.640 a grown woman, sexy, you five, you know, go out 1:19:48.640 --> 1:19:50.800 here and do your thing. But it was different in 1:19:50.960 --> 1:19:54.200 rightly because that ain't really. 1:19:58.680 --> 1:19:59.320 On that record. 1:19:59.360 --> 1:20:01.680 You work with two very good two good friends of 1:20:01.720 --> 1:20:06.000 mine from the Bay, my man Tracademics. You did so 1:20:06.080 --> 1:20:09.000 special record with my man Brandon, one one of a Kind, 1:20:09.040 --> 1:20:11.920 One Oak. How did y'all, Lincoln, I was very surprised 1:20:11.920 --> 1:20:13.639 to see you and happily surprised to see you work 1:20:13.640 --> 1:20:13.880 with them. 1:20:13.880 --> 1:20:15.599 How did you come across the work? 1:20:15.640 --> 1:20:20.000 Oh my god, I never knew that's what one of 1:20:20.000 --> 1:20:20.760 these stood for. 1:20:21.840 --> 1:20:22.400 One of a kind. 1:20:22.600 --> 1:20:28.800 I didn't the New York Club, But. 1:20:32.280 --> 1:20:34.400 Yeah, no, I definitely had to ask him that question 1:20:34.439 --> 1:20:35.720 and he told me what was going on. 1:20:36.040 --> 1:20:38.519 I definitely had to ask him what because I like 1:20:38.600 --> 1:20:40.320 Brandon could have just been right. 1:20:40.360 --> 1:20:42.559 That's what I always called him, Brandon. That's a shout 1:20:42.680 --> 1:20:43.240 shout to them. 1:20:43.880 --> 1:20:47.120 The Bay is another place that you know, a lot 1:20:47.160 --> 1:20:49.320 of support in the they and you know, I have 1:20:49.479 --> 1:20:52.439 cities in America and outside of America that are cities 1:20:52.479 --> 1:20:54.160 that I can always get my money from, and so 1:20:54.479 --> 1:20:57.920 the Baby was one of those cities. And Tracademics hit 1:20:57.920 --> 1:20:59.840 me long time ago. Was usually such a fan of 1:21:00.200 --> 1:21:02.160 this is all social social media. How I met them, 1:21:02.160 --> 1:21:04.160 you know, because he hit me and he was a 1:21:04.200 --> 1:21:06.840 fan of complex simplicity. And I'm the type of person 1:21:06.920 --> 1:21:08.920 that I don't just like eh, I don't do that. 1:21:09.080 --> 1:21:10.800 I really always go look and see who this is. 1:21:10.840 --> 1:21:12.920 I don't care if it's somebody that's huge or you 1:21:12.920 --> 1:21:14.760 know whatever, I'll go check it out and see. And 1:21:14.920 --> 1:21:17.519 I just loved his sound to this day, like we 1:21:17.560 --> 1:21:20.040 work constant Man, always work together because he has such 1:21:20.040 --> 1:21:23.200 a great song. And to me, I'm okay with evolving 1:21:23.200 --> 1:21:25.400 into anything that I'm supposed to evolve into. But there's 1:21:25.439 --> 1:21:27.760 a base to what my sound is, and I don't. 1:21:28.080 --> 1:21:31.960 I don't like to really kind of like dismiss that base, 1:21:32.360 --> 1:21:33.880 you know what I'm saying, Like it could be something 1:21:33.920 --> 1:21:35.920 different and fresh and new, but it has to have 1:21:36.000 --> 1:21:38.760 that face, and he completely has that face. We call 1:21:38.880 --> 1:21:43.640 it Champagne soul. It's like it's really really sophisticated. 1:21:43.760 --> 1:21:44.519 You know, twirl. 1:21:44.640 --> 1:21:46.720 The girls don't twork, they twirl, you know. And so 1:21:46.760 --> 1:21:48.000 it was just very easy. 1:21:48.439 --> 1:21:51.360 It was very easy for us to connect, and Brandon 1:21:51.439 --> 1:21:52.599 kind of came along with that. 1:21:52.960 --> 1:21:55.960 Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, I like that. 1:21:56.040 --> 1:21:59.680 The record that on the Luxurious Underground Joint That's so 1:21:59.680 --> 1:22:02.080 specially and Missing You, those are my two ones from that. 1:22:02.520 --> 1:22:05.120 I love songs for real, thank you very much. 1:22:05.160 --> 1:22:08.439 Missing You was like a village from the album that 1:22:08.520 --> 1:22:11.040 was supposed to be The Young Lions. It was just 1:22:11.040 --> 1:22:12.800 fillage from this album that I was dismantled. 1:22:13.200 --> 1:22:15.760 So, okay, yeah, the Young what happened? What happened with 1:22:15.760 --> 1:22:16.200 that record? 1:22:16.840 --> 1:22:19.960 Well, Paulie wasn't there anymore. I think Brian was this 1:22:20.120 --> 1:22:22.559 that I'll be working with one producer like we did before. 1:22:22.920 --> 1:22:25.080 But like I said, you know, I hate to be vulgar. 1:22:25.240 --> 1:22:27.679 People think it's vulgar. But I always say making music 1:22:27.760 --> 1:22:29.320 is for me. I can't speak for other people. It's 1:22:29.360 --> 1:22:31.320 like having sex. And I'm not a very for mystery 1:22:31.320 --> 1:22:33.439 as a woman because I can't connect with everybody like that. 1:22:33.600 --> 1:22:35.360 And I don't do things just to do them, you 1:22:35.400 --> 1:22:36.760 know what I mean. So me and. 1:22:36.760 --> 1:22:39.160 Paulie we had this zeps, you know what I'm saying. 1:22:39.160 --> 1:22:41.240 We had the chemistry, you know, and I just didn't 1:22:41.240 --> 1:22:43.719 find somebody else to do that with. So I would 1:22:43.760 --> 1:22:45.519 go out and work with all these different people, but 1:22:45.640 --> 1:22:48.479 I don't think that they were trying to recreate that 1:22:48.479 --> 1:22:53.320 that thing. And so before we could figure that out, 1:22:53.560 --> 1:22:55.880 I was ready to go, you know, and then TDT 1:22:56.200 --> 1:22:59.200 kind of just went and fell apart. It went bang up. 1:22:59.600 --> 1:23:01.080 Interview. You're in your material. 1:23:01.200 --> 1:23:04.880 I think the person that I hear that you have 1:23:04.920 --> 1:23:07.600 a really good chemistry with. And I don't know personally, 1:23:07.640 --> 1:23:09.800 you know, if it compares to a probably or not. 1:23:09.920 --> 1:23:14.240 But you and Bank, like yo, we y'all do not 1:23:14.479 --> 1:23:17.320 fucking miss like I love the records y'all do together? 1:23:17.360 --> 1:23:18.200 What was it like? 1:23:18.400 --> 1:23:22.280 Really we really friends, you know, like Bink and I 1:23:22.439 --> 1:23:26.600 really friends like Bank will call me invent and I 1:23:26.640 --> 1:23:27.400 don't listen. 1:23:27.240 --> 1:23:32.840 Yes much. 1:23:33.680 --> 1:23:38.479 Yeah. So I think that's the thing. I think that. 1:23:40.080 --> 1:23:42.320 I've been in the studio with the most the most 1:23:42.880 --> 1:23:46.160 world now and amazing producers, and like I said, it's 1:23:46.200 --> 1:23:48.000 like sex. It don't mean it's gonna work, you know 1:23:48.040 --> 1:23:49.800 what I'm saying. And I think me and Benk just 1:23:49.840 --> 1:23:53.280 have a good chemistry. I think because I really genuinely 1:23:53.439 --> 1:23:55.040 like him and he genuinely liked me, and we care 1:23:55.040 --> 1:23:57.080 about each other. So it comes out that like that. 1:23:57.280 --> 1:23:59.559 And I wish I could just have sex with anybody 1:23:59.640 --> 1:24:02.000 but I. And that's kind of how it is with music. 1:24:02.080 --> 1:24:04.200 I can't. I can't. I can come in here and 1:24:04.240 --> 1:24:06.320 I can have every good intentions to make this great, 1:24:06.479 --> 1:24:09.000 you know, but if it doesn't click, I don't know 1:24:09.040 --> 1:24:11.040 how to go in the mold of like this isn't clicking, 1:24:11.080 --> 1:24:12.599 make it click. I don't know how to do that 1:24:12.800 --> 1:24:16.960 because I feel like I'm in my sweet spot when 1:24:17.280 --> 1:24:20.200 it when it's like rolling, When I force it, it 1:24:20.280 --> 1:24:22.000 gets really whack and I don't. 1:24:21.880 --> 1:24:23.439 Like that part of what I do. It makes me 1:24:23.479 --> 1:24:24.760 start to feel like I'm like, so, I. 1:24:24.800 --> 1:24:27.640 Just like I don't make you questions. So were you 1:24:27.680 --> 1:24:28.559 and Anthony together? 1:24:28.720 --> 1:24:32.120 You and Anthony when y'all did that one record, we 1:24:32.200 --> 1:24:34.360 all together in the studio when y'all did that record, 1:24:35.160 --> 1:24:35.759 we were. 1:24:36.000 --> 1:24:38.840 No, no, we weren't. I did that by myself and then. 1:24:38.760 --> 1:24:41.439 I sent it to Oh okay, okay, yeah, that was 1:24:41.479 --> 1:24:42.559 another one of my face. 1:24:42.600 --> 1:24:45.120 And that was a track I don't want to say 1:24:45.120 --> 1:24:48.040 because you probably know who because if you probably know them, 1:24:48.320 --> 1:24:52.920 you're from Philly, no Carolina, you know. Okay, well some 1:24:52.960 --> 1:24:56.320 friends of mine from Philly, I know, so I'm not 1:24:56.320 --> 1:24:59.679 gonna say some friends of vibes from Philly. I only 1:24:59.680 --> 1:25:01.720 had to much money to make the album, and they 1:25:01.720 --> 1:25:03.160 wanted more money for the album. 1:25:03.200 --> 1:25:05.000 So I just took my vocals and gave them to 1:25:05.040 --> 1:25:06.839 be being murdered. 1:25:06.840 --> 1:25:09.760 It it turned out way, but I thought it was 1:25:09.800 --> 1:25:11.760 going to be with the first check, you know. And 1:25:11.760 --> 1:25:14.400 that's kind of how that happened with the Anthony Hamilton record. 1:25:14.400 --> 1:25:16.760 And then we sent it to Anthony and he got 1:25:16.800 --> 1:25:17.080 on them. 1:25:17.320 --> 1:25:19.400 Okay, now that one that's you was Thope. I love 1:25:19.479 --> 1:25:21.599 that record, Thank you so much? For real? 1:25:23.040 --> 1:25:26.799 Was your label situation with Shanicky when you in twenty fifteen? 1:25:27.120 --> 1:25:30.000 How would they work with them compared to TVT? How 1:25:30.080 --> 1:25:30.559 is that for you. 1:25:31.680 --> 1:25:35.240 I learned to appreciate tv T a lot more, okay, 1:25:36.720 --> 1:25:37.559 And I learned. 1:25:37.360 --> 1:25:40.160 That you don't want to. 1:25:42.720 --> 1:25:43.040 I learned. 1:25:43.160 --> 1:25:44.559 I learned that you don't need a middleman. 1:25:44.640 --> 1:25:47.200 That's what I learned. I learned you don't need a 1:25:47.200 --> 1:25:47.599 middle man. 1:25:48.000 --> 1:25:53.400 Fact your current situation, are you your own manager right now? 1:25:53.680 --> 1:25:56.960 Or we have it's just we have a team. Me 1:25:57.000 --> 1:25:58.680 and my sister are partners and that's kind of how 1:25:58.720 --> 1:26:01.360 we roll. I guess I would be partly my own 1:26:01.360 --> 1:26:03.680 manager because we just kind of work together on it. 1:26:03.760 --> 1:26:07.840 But I've never had like big management or anything like that. 1:26:08.120 --> 1:26:10.439 But is that like being the wedding planner and the 1:26:10.479 --> 1:26:11.439 bride at the same time. 1:26:11.760 --> 1:26:12.640 I don't know. 1:26:13.360 --> 1:26:16.120 No, I don't be the bride and the wedding planet. 1:26:16.720 --> 1:26:20.400 I really just be the bride and my sister. Yeah, 1:26:20.439 --> 1:26:22.760 she she should be sitting here to tell you how 1:26:22.800 --> 1:26:25.200 crazy I am. And you know, she takes on a 1:26:25.240 --> 1:26:27.559 lot of hats and you know, stuff like that. It's 1:26:27.800 --> 1:26:30.720 definitely I would love it for it to be, you 1:26:30.760 --> 1:26:33.800 know where I'm completely detached from it, but it's just 1:26:33.840 --> 1:26:34.519 not possible. 1:26:34.680 --> 1:26:38.919 What do your boys think about now that their they're artists? Contrast, 1:26:40.040 --> 1:26:42.720 they think about the way that you have lived your 1:26:42.760 --> 1:26:46.160 career and the things that they're gonna they're taking away 1:26:46.160 --> 1:26:47.680 from it as far as you know, to being as 1:26:47.680 --> 1:26:48.800 great indie artists. 1:26:48.520 --> 1:26:48.960 That you are. 1:26:49.840 --> 1:26:52.679 Well, they saw the up right now, right right. 1:26:52.760 --> 1:26:55.320 So it makes me feel happy that I didn't do 1:26:55.400 --> 1:26:57.360 so bad in the down times to make them be 1:26:57.479 --> 1:26:58.840 like I don't want to do this, you know, So 1:26:58.880 --> 1:27:02.400 that makes me happy. And they just always have always 1:27:02.479 --> 1:27:05.559 championed me, like I get nervous to let them hear anything. 1:27:05.640 --> 1:27:07.800 Always have since they were you know, like I just 1:27:07.880 --> 1:27:11.479 really respect their opinions so much, and I think more 1:27:11.479 --> 1:27:13.559 than anything is kind of they were kind of like me. 1:27:13.760 --> 1:27:15.760 They had it in them, burning in them. They didn't 1:27:15.760 --> 1:27:18.000 even tell me forever. I didn't learn one of their 1:27:18.040 --> 1:27:19.800 friends told me that they rap or whatever. You know, 1:27:20.000 --> 1:27:21.639 I didn't even know. I think that they just. 1:27:21.880 --> 1:27:25.840 All of this family doesn't share their intimates. 1:27:27.840 --> 1:27:29.719 They told me because they told me, well, we thought 1:27:29.840 --> 1:27:32.479 we thought that you wouldn't want us to rap, because 1:27:32.560 --> 1:27:33.760 you know Dad raps, and. 1:27:33.920 --> 1:27:36.160 You know, you know how you feel that right. 1:27:38.800 --> 1:27:40.680 You and him are like friendly now, like it's like 1:27:40.720 --> 1:27:42.639 thirty years twenty years later, twenty years. 1:27:42.560 --> 1:27:46.120 Later, I had listen. I love him with all my heart. 1:27:46.200 --> 1:27:49.120 He's my first love ever, you know, first everything. You 1:27:49.160 --> 1:27:50.640 know what I mean, And so I love him all 1:27:50.640 --> 1:27:52.760 my heart. And but we don't have any beef nothing. 1:27:52.800 --> 1:27:55.640 We super cool. We always like we could be We 1:27:55.960 --> 1:27:58.280 could always be friends, because that's always we were. My 1:27:58.360 --> 1:28:00.559 only Quama who ever has been not being a father 1:28:00.640 --> 1:28:01.600 to his children. That was all it. 1:28:01.680 --> 1:28:02.360 That was it, you know. 1:28:02.400 --> 1:28:04.280 So now he don't like when I say stuff like this, 1:28:04.280 --> 1:28:06.599 but like I can't rewrite what happened, you know, So 1:28:06.800 --> 1:28:08.559 it's cool, Like we can sit down and talk. We 1:28:08.640 --> 1:28:10.280 can be cool each other. He basically laugh. 1:28:10.320 --> 1:28:11.200 I'm making cool. 1:28:11.280 --> 1:28:13.840 But that's my only problem. So now that that's done, 1:28:14.640 --> 1:28:15.960 let's have a shot. You know what I'm saying. It's 1:28:15.960 --> 1:28:16.400 all good. 1:28:23.520 --> 1:28:27.120 But it's the one time that you did say something 1:28:27.160 --> 1:28:27.360 to me. 1:28:27.479 --> 1:28:39.760 You were like, it's. 1:28:33.880 --> 1:28:37.920 Okay, it's okay, it's okay, no friends, it's no bad. 1:28:38.000 --> 1:28:39.040 And you said nothing bad. 1:28:39.080 --> 1:28:39.800 You said nothing bad. 1:28:39.800 --> 1:28:41.559 You just asked me a question, and I was like, 1:28:41.880 --> 1:28:42.160 that was it. 1:28:42.200 --> 1:28:43.040 I never heard from you again. 1:28:53.600 --> 1:29:04.559 Pretty well, so with them, So with your son's coach contra, 1:29:04.800 --> 1:29:08.360 do you, I guess, do you play any role in 1:29:08.600 --> 1:29:12.840 their career, Like, how how do you manage that? You know, 1:29:12.880 --> 1:29:15.320 with them, you know, doing their thing and you're doing 1:29:15.320 --> 1:29:16.639 your thing? How does that work? 1:29:16.760 --> 1:29:18.840 Those are my children. I am their mother. 1:29:19.720 --> 1:29:22.040 All I can do is off as artists to artists 1:29:22.439 --> 1:29:24.439 off of them, because first of all, let's start here. 1:29:24.800 --> 1:29:26.280 I ain't gonna sit up here pretend like I know 1:29:26.320 --> 1:29:27.880 a lot about this business because I've been in the 1:29:27.880 --> 1:29:29.760 industry at Teacher Moses. I haven't really been in the 1:29:29.840 --> 1:29:32.240 music as the record business, right, Yeah, I'm in an 1:29:32.240 --> 1:29:34.080 industry at Teacher Moses. I make how many off of 1:29:34.400 --> 1:29:37.120 I very rarely opened for people. I was always doing 1:29:37.120 --> 1:29:38.880 my own shows, my own you know what I mean. 1:29:38.960 --> 1:29:40.519 So I don't really know much about that. So I'm 1:29:40.520 --> 1:29:41.800 not going to sit down and ask like I know 1:29:41.840 --> 1:29:44.920 of this stuff, you know. But what I do tell 1:29:44.960 --> 1:29:48.479 them is about navigation of human beings in this space, 1:29:48.640 --> 1:29:51.200 you know. And I tell them about being good. I 1:29:51.240 --> 1:29:52.599 think one of the reasons they didn't want to tell 1:29:52.600 --> 1:29:54.120 me for a long time because they knew if they 1:29:54.120 --> 1:29:55.679 were whack, I was going to tell them. 1:29:55.880 --> 1:29:59.080 I was going to say, this is not good. 1:29:58.760 --> 1:29:59.600 It's not like I. 1:30:00.160 --> 1:30:04.640 Yeah you listen, yeah, like listen, bro, you want to 1:30:04.640 --> 1:30:06.280 hear it from me, because if you hear it. 1:30:06.200 --> 1:30:08.000 From me, you know it's coming from a place of love. 1:30:08.320 --> 1:30:09.320 You hear from the internet. 1:30:09.400 --> 1:30:11.120 Them niggas don't give a fuck about nothing. 1:30:11.720 --> 1:30:13.479 They used to say all the time that they want 1:30:13.479 --> 1:30:15.639 to be basketball players. Have you ever seen their dad? 1:30:15.880 --> 1:30:16.559 Have you seen. 1:30:18.920 --> 1:30:20.479 I told them all the time when they were a 1:30:20.479 --> 1:30:22.920 little girl child told us to. 1:30:22.880 --> 1:30:29.120 Do five to you standing outside the trail in Queensbridge, son. 1:30:29.479 --> 1:30:29.839 Listen. 1:30:33.240 --> 1:30:34.880 Everyone says that I think the. 1:30:34.800 --> 1:30:35.800 Complex that you talk. 1:30:37.040 --> 1:30:38.920 I talked leg, I talk. 1:30:38.840 --> 1:30:41.400 Like a giant. But I think the complex simplicity because 1:30:41.400 --> 1:30:42.200 I get this all the time. 1:30:42.240 --> 1:30:43.280 I think the complet. 1:30:42.960 --> 1:30:45.479 Simplicity album where my leg is kind of out of something. 1:30:45.520 --> 1:30:47.840 I think people think that that's a long leg. Now 1:30:47.880 --> 1:30:48.400 I haven't. 1:30:48.680 --> 1:31:02.880 I have a long leg, but that's. 1:30:56.920 --> 1:31:05.120 Definitely not say this Fante is so much more pleasurable 1:31:05.280 --> 1:31:08.000 to see them doing what they're doing than it was 1:31:08.040 --> 1:31:11.000 for me because I did it out of desperateness to 1:31:11.080 --> 1:31:13.200 take care of my hids and to like get to 1:31:13.240 --> 1:31:15.000 not be you know what I mean. Like they're doing 1:31:15.000 --> 1:31:17.080 it because they just love it and they enjoy it 1:31:17.120 --> 1:31:19.040 and they're happy about every single thing. I went to 1:31:19.080 --> 1:31:21.599 see them. Was that last week the week before last 1:31:21.800 --> 1:31:24.080 they opened it for Corday and they were on age 1:31:24.080 --> 1:31:25.920 and these people don't know who they are and they 1:31:26.439 --> 1:31:28.960 chant everything has staying it. It's like my heart just 1:31:28.960 --> 1:31:32.760 wanting to bust wide open because it's just very good 1:31:32.800 --> 1:31:36.320 to see your children pursuing their purpose and getting reaction 1:31:36.479 --> 1:31:38.160 from it. You know, it makes you feel really really good. 1:31:38.160 --> 1:31:40.760 And I also know how long they've humbled themselves and 1:31:40.840 --> 1:31:43.120 just worked hard and kept their head down and they 1:31:43.240 --> 1:31:45.240 you know, and now they's getting reaction to it. 1:31:45.200 --> 1:31:46.800 So it makes me feel really Nah, they've been on 1:31:46.840 --> 1:31:47.439 it for a minute. 1:31:47.439 --> 1:31:49.200 I mean I see them like they going up now, 1:31:49.280 --> 1:31:50.720 like I've seen like a lot of stuff like the 1:31:50.880 --> 1:31:53.599 LA Leakers and all that. But I'll be telling them like, yo, nah, 1:31:53.600 --> 1:31:55.960 them boys been on it for a minute, like they've 1:31:55.960 --> 1:31:56.360 been at it. 1:31:56.439 --> 1:31:58.559 So I'm super super happy for them, brothers. 1:31:58.560 --> 1:32:03.040 That's dope. Epigenetics is a beautiful thing, man. 1:32:05.680 --> 1:32:06.439 And hip hop. 1:32:11.160 --> 1:32:13.880 The jeans down to that's that's awesome. 1:32:13.880 --> 1:32:15.760 I wanted to ask Teajer one thing I wanted you 1:32:15.800 --> 1:32:18.639 to break down I think would be really helpful for 1:32:18.760 --> 1:32:21.679 all our listeners and some who are you know, aspiring 1:32:21.760 --> 1:32:26.000 artists and independent artists. For you as an independent uh 1:32:26.080 --> 1:32:28.960 as R and B because that's R and B is 1:32:29.479 --> 1:32:32.400 super I tell everybody it is so much harder doing 1:32:32.600 --> 1:32:34.320 indie R and B than doing indie hip hop. Like 1:32:34.320 --> 1:32:37.240 it's being too completely the words costs a whole lot 1:32:37.280 --> 1:32:41.000 more way more specially so for you, what moves the 1:32:41.040 --> 1:32:41.680 needle for you? 1:32:41.800 --> 1:32:44.680 Do you find? Is it shows? Is it videos? Is 1:32:44.720 --> 1:32:46.640 it you know? 1:32:46.800 --> 1:32:50.400 Is it content? You know, just releasing ship on ija whatever? 1:32:51.320 --> 1:32:52.800 What are the things that work for you as an 1:32:52.800 --> 1:32:58.800 indie artist that you actually see dividends from. 1:32:57.520 --> 1:33:00.960 Well, I definitely, you know, well, I see differicends from 1:33:01.040 --> 1:33:03.680 the shows, A definitely. That was That's what kept me 1:33:03.840 --> 1:33:07.040 for the most part. But I think it's just the 1:33:08.439 --> 1:33:11.800 only the publishing has always you know, those checks come through, 1:33:12.080 --> 1:33:15.360 you know what I mean, And so yeah it comes 1:33:15.360 --> 1:33:16.800 through and and. 1:33:16.840 --> 1:33:18.360 You know, merged us decent. 1:33:18.600 --> 1:33:21.559 But it's not because I'm not trying to push that 1:33:21.640 --> 1:33:23.599 as much as you know, because I love music, so. 1:33:24.040 --> 1:33:25.439 I'm not trying to start a clothing line. 1:33:26.040 --> 1:33:28.360 I have to think and then like and have people 1:33:28.400 --> 1:33:31.080 help me with that. But I think, more than anything, 1:33:31.200 --> 1:33:35.920 what is the most productive, not just money wise right. 1:33:36.000 --> 1:33:39.200 The shows and touching people have made me have like 1:33:39.280 --> 1:33:41.760 this kind of more cult kind of following, you know 1:33:41.800 --> 1:33:44.120 what I mean. I've been seeing the same people and 1:33:44.200 --> 1:33:46.920 these these I have like a lockdown like ten to 1:33:46.960 --> 1:33:49.200 eleven cities that I'm gonna always get my money in. 1:33:49.400 --> 1:33:51.800 And I see these people all the time. I know 1:33:51.840 --> 1:33:55.040 their children, you know what I mean. I know all 1:33:55.040 --> 1:33:57.639 these people, and I think that I think the Internet 1:33:57.760 --> 1:33:59.360 is great, and I think it can get you to 1:33:59.360 --> 1:34:01.839 a lot of people. I think ultimately, a real connection 1:34:02.360 --> 1:34:04.439 is when you're on stage, you know, and when you 1:34:04.479 --> 1:34:06.880 get off stage and you talk to people and you 1:34:07.000 --> 1:34:09.000 do like I'm a I was always big on before 1:34:09.000 --> 1:34:09.680 people would doing this. 1:34:09.640 --> 1:34:10.800 Like these pop up shows. 1:34:10.840 --> 1:34:12.920 Okay, because I travel a lot, just because I like 1:34:13.000 --> 1:34:14.439 to travel, you know, and so. 1:34:15.880 --> 1:34:18.240 I would just pop up in cities and just in 1:34:18.320 --> 1:34:19.120 a small bar and. 1:34:19.120 --> 1:34:22.200 You get a guitar player. I love that kind of stuff. 1:34:22.360 --> 1:34:24.160 Like I love that kind of stuff. 1:34:24.280 --> 1:34:27.120 I love real connection with people. I think that's what 1:34:27.280 --> 1:34:28.920 it is with me. I like your experience with me 1:34:28.960 --> 1:34:31.800 to be very intimate, so it feels like I'm your friend. 1:34:32.040 --> 1:34:34.080 I don't want you to fan out over me, because 1:34:34.080 --> 1:34:35.479 that's weird to be. I just want you to be 1:34:35.520 --> 1:34:36.160 my friend, you know. 1:34:36.560 --> 1:34:40.560 Yeah, that's about how do you use in terms of 1:34:40.680 --> 1:34:43.559 using social media? Because I talk with a lot of 1:34:43.680 --> 1:34:48.360 artists now, which we're different because we kind of came 1:34:48.439 --> 1:34:50.679 up in an age before it, so we know kind 1:34:50.680 --> 1:34:54.160 of what it was before. But artists now, like social 1:34:54.200 --> 1:34:56.439 media is just something that you have to have some 1:34:56.560 --> 1:34:59.400 kind of presence there, and that's not something that we 1:34:59.720 --> 1:35:00.920 really had to have. 1:35:01.280 --> 1:35:04.479 So how do you navigate that in terms of using 1:35:04.520 --> 1:35:07.680 your social media? What works for you, what doesn't? How 1:35:07.720 --> 1:35:08.400 does that work for you? 1:35:09.240 --> 1:35:09.920 Well, you know, I. 1:35:09.920 --> 1:35:14.800 Started with my Space, and I'm always engaged, and I've 1:35:14.840 --> 1:35:18.880 always engaged people, and I've always been transparent. I've always 1:35:18.920 --> 1:35:22.719 been very transparent on social media to like I said, 1:35:22.880 --> 1:35:25.760 to make people feel like I'm not someone up here. 1:35:25.880 --> 1:35:28.720 I'm your homegirl next door. So when I say, you 1:35:28.720 --> 1:35:30.960 know whatever, I'm seeing what I've been through and blah 1:35:30.960 --> 1:35:33.080 blah blah. Or if I'm on a video telling you 1:35:33.080 --> 1:35:34.800 this at a third You're not listening to me like 1:35:34.840 --> 1:35:37.040 somebody talking down to you. Listen to me like someone 1:35:37.160 --> 1:35:39.320 talking across you, like a friend. But that's kind of 1:35:39.360 --> 1:35:42.400 how I approach social media. It's new now because it's 1:35:42.400 --> 1:35:45.040 like called content, but I just always been doing this. 1:35:45.120 --> 1:35:49.200 I've just always been being myself on social media. I 1:35:49.240 --> 1:35:51.120 have to step it up now because it's like. 1:35:52.360 --> 1:35:53.160 I hate the job. 1:35:53.800 --> 1:35:55.400 I used to love it. But the thing is, I 1:35:55.479 --> 1:35:56.240 used to love it. 1:35:56.479 --> 1:35:59.759 I used to really freaking you had to do engaging 1:35:59.800 --> 1:36:00.760 as people. 1:36:00.720 --> 1:36:01.800 Until it became a thing. 1:36:01.880 --> 1:36:03.840 Right now it's like you know this and the third 1:36:03.880 --> 1:36:06.400 but I actually do like it, So I'm triggering. 1:36:06.080 --> 1:36:07.840 My head back into like liking it. 1:36:07.880 --> 1:36:09.559 A lot of the things that are going on now, 1:36:09.600 --> 1:36:12.120 I used to do them before, not because I thought 1:36:12.120 --> 1:36:12.920 it was a thing. 1:36:12.800 --> 1:36:14.120 Because I just wanted to do it. 1:36:14.240 --> 1:36:16.559 Do you understand what I'm saying? So I just couldn't 1:36:16.560 --> 1:36:19.880 I continue like I always say, you know, continue what 1:36:19.880 --> 1:36:22.120 you're doing and go harder to anybody, just continue what 1:36:22.120 --> 1:36:23.720 you're doing, go harder. And that's how I post social 1:36:23.760 --> 1:36:27.080 social media. Just now, I'm fixing my mind being that 1:36:27.120 --> 1:36:30.160 I'm moving to new music to continue what I'm doing, 1:36:30.160 --> 1:36:34.160 but be more concise and like strategized about how you know, 1:36:34.200 --> 1:36:35.720 strategizing how I want to do it. 1:36:35.760 --> 1:36:38.160 I love to watch you stand in your power on Instagram. 1:36:38.200 --> 1:36:39.360 I was just thinking about that. I was telling the 1:36:39.400 --> 1:36:42.400 guys that. I was like, I love that you stand 1:36:42.439 --> 1:36:44.519 in the power who you are not just inside but 1:36:44.560 --> 1:36:46.400 also outside, you know what I mean. 1:36:46.479 --> 1:36:47.639 And I'm a pretty girl. 1:36:47.800 --> 1:36:49.000 Yeah, I mean you're gorgeous. 1:36:49.240 --> 1:36:49.720 That's what I mean. 1:36:49.720 --> 1:36:53.000 You're gorgeous and you're surprisingly sick. So I was like, 1:36:53.080 --> 1:36:54.879 I love, Yeah. 1:36:54.760 --> 1:36:56.439 We shouted you out on that. I must shout out 1:36:56.439 --> 1:36:58.240 the little brother shouting you out on our guest. 1:36:58.479 --> 1:37:02.320 Really, yes, change myself situation, baby, that are you serious. 1:37:04.600 --> 1:37:04.880 People? 1:37:05.640 --> 1:37:06.880 I never knew that, like. 1:37:07.080 --> 1:37:08.160 Little brother did say. 1:37:08.160 --> 1:37:08.320 You know. 1:37:08.360 --> 1:37:09.040 And here's the thing. 1:37:09.120 --> 1:37:11.040 I joked a lot, like I think I'm cute, I 1:37:11.040 --> 1:37:13.479 think I'm pretty, but it's far more beautiful woman whatever block. 1:37:13.560 --> 1:37:15.519 But that's just a satittary thing. We big ourselves so 1:37:15.640 --> 1:37:17.519 we don't wait for people to cheerlead for us. 1:37:17.600 --> 1:37:19.360 We just cheerlead by ourself. 1:37:19.760 --> 1:37:21.960 Like I keep my pom poms ready in case I 1:37:22.000 --> 1:37:23.280 need to pick me up. And that's just kind of 1:37:23.280 --> 1:37:28.000 how I am. So people experience and me being myself, 1:37:28.080 --> 1:37:30.000 you know, and I think it's across from me. 1:37:30.840 --> 1:37:33.120 It doesn't come all. 1:37:35.000 --> 1:37:37.920 Yeah yeah in a different place. 1:37:37.960 --> 1:37:38.559 But you. 1:37:40.960 --> 1:37:43.519 I got pom poms. They's just locked down right now, girl, 1:37:43.840 --> 1:37:45.080 I've seen them on the outage. 1:37:45.479 --> 1:37:51.479 Yeah, we've seen them on that. Yes, your your new 1:37:51.520 --> 1:37:56.680 record so special? Round? I mean that make me with 1:37:56.880 --> 1:38:00.479 uh Brodie Brown, uncle chum? Not that is that? 1:38:00.600 --> 1:38:00.640 No? 1:38:00.800 --> 1:38:03.840 That record is fucking great. I love it. How is 1:38:03.880 --> 1:38:05.120 that setting up a new record? 1:38:05.280 --> 1:38:05.320 Like? 1:38:05.360 --> 1:38:07.519 Where are you? What you're working on? Now? Where you at? 1:38:07.600 --> 1:38:09.759 Yes, I'm working on i'n call the bullshit. 1:38:10.240 --> 1:38:13.679 It's based on what I went through after my kids 1:38:13.680 --> 1:38:16.080 had grown up, right, and I didn't. I didn't date. 1:38:16.720 --> 1:38:17.160 I tried a. 1:38:17.160 --> 1:38:20.040 Little bit, but then I realized, you got out on 1:38:20.080 --> 1:38:22.639 your plate, right, And I'm a person that when I love, 1:38:22.720 --> 1:38:25.320 I get all involved, right, So I didn't have I 1:38:25.360 --> 1:38:28.240 couldn't just have a man in my life that might 1:38:28.520 --> 1:38:30.800 deter me from my responsibilities, which were taking care of 1:38:30.840 --> 1:38:33.479 my kids and making music and you know all that stuff. 1:38:33.600 --> 1:38:35.120 So I didn't really date. So by the time the 1:38:35.160 --> 1:38:37.519 twins left and moved to LA to start pursuing what 1:38:37.560 --> 1:38:39.880 they wanted to do with music, I just went out 1:38:39.880 --> 1:38:40.200 in the world. 1:38:40.240 --> 1:38:41.759 I was like, Okay, I have a man. 1:38:41.680 --> 1:38:43.479 And you know, giving my life and all this stuff. 1:38:43.600 --> 1:38:45.679 And I was trashed. It was trash out. 1:38:45.560 --> 1:38:49.519 There in California. 1:38:49.360 --> 1:38:50.559 Yeah, you know, I was. 1:38:50.640 --> 1:38:52.479 I was going out, but I traveled, so it's not 1:38:52.560 --> 1:38:55.000 just in California. I'm in New Orleans, I'm in LA, 1:38:55.080 --> 1:38:57.320 I'm in Miami. You know, I'm in New York. I'm 1:38:57.360 --> 1:38:59.320 in all these places, right. And it wasn't that I'm 1:38:59.360 --> 1:39:01.120 not saying that everybody was trashed. It just was trash 1:39:01.160 --> 1:39:03.639 for me because I need genuine connection, you know. So 1:39:03.800 --> 1:39:04.479 I've decided. 1:39:04.479 --> 1:39:06.000 I met this guy who's really good, cute, and I was. 1:39:05.960 --> 1:39:07.280 Just like, oh, hey, can be the one. I pulled 1:39:07.320 --> 1:39:09.559 him in whatever, you know, because I'm a business woman. 1:39:09.600 --> 1:39:11.479 That's how we handle everything else. Single mom and a 1:39:11.479 --> 1:39:13.320 business woman is the worst because we think we could 1:39:13.320 --> 1:39:15.880 make anything happen, right, And so I pulled this guy 1:39:15.920 --> 1:39:19.920 into my life, and I pulled the biggest bullshit into 1:39:19.960 --> 1:39:23.840 my life that I have ever experienced. I almost went 1:39:24.080 --> 1:39:26.680 gayly you understand me? 1:39:29.479 --> 1:39:31.800 Yeah, okay, started. 1:39:34.360 --> 1:39:36.080 He worered me out, you know what I'm saying. 1:39:36.080 --> 1:39:38.559 So it was just like, dude, that was on your 1:39:38.560 --> 1:39:40.880 I g because I would see something that you would post, 1:39:41.320 --> 1:39:42.040 would you post him? 1:39:42.040 --> 1:39:42.880 Sometimes? Okay? 1:39:42.920 --> 1:39:44.120 It wasn't no, no, no, no. 1:39:43.720 --> 1:39:46.719 No, I'm not I would never he could be my husband. 1:39:46.880 --> 1:39:50.000 We could, I would you would never see some man, Okay, okay, 1:39:50.560 --> 1:39:54.160 smart thing for women and music are no. But yeah, 1:39:54.200 --> 1:39:56.360 it's just he just I liked him so much and 1:39:56.400 --> 1:39:57.960 I just felt I just felt. 1:39:57.680 --> 1:39:59.639 Like it, because I'm into you, you should just really 1:39:59.640 --> 1:39:59.920 be good. 1:40:00.320 --> 1:40:02.240 It just didn't pan out. It was just I put 1:40:02.360 --> 1:40:05.519 myself in that situation and I wanted to blame him, 1:40:05.640 --> 1:40:06.200 but I couldn't. 1:40:06.200 --> 1:40:07.519 So there's a period of. 1:40:07.439 --> 1:40:09.479 Time during that It's like four years that I wrote 1:40:09.520 --> 1:40:11.760 all these songs, and it was like what was coming 1:40:11.800 --> 1:40:14.200 out of me at that time, genuinely coming out of me, 1:40:14.280 --> 1:40:16.400 not me trying to conjure it up. Like you know. 1:40:16.640 --> 1:40:19.519 I have a record on the Eli Ka Trinada and 1:40:19.600 --> 1:40:23.840 Duran Barnard, Yeah, simply called Fighting Farewell because I'm. 1:40:23.640 --> 1:40:26.400 Just I know I need to go. I knew this 1:40:26.439 --> 1:40:27.760 is done girl, what are you doing? 1:40:28.040 --> 1:40:29.120 And I'm fighting. I'm fighting. 1:40:29.160 --> 1:40:30.639 So this is what this album is about. 1:40:30.640 --> 1:40:33.280 It's about, you know, trying to go out here and 1:40:33.400 --> 1:40:37.439 date and the bullshit I encounter and the emotions I encountered. 1:40:37.479 --> 1:40:39.759 But also the make Me album. We have a remix 1:40:39.880 --> 1:40:41.880 with Currency and Eric. 1:40:42.320 --> 1:40:45.240 And Eric Belinger, Yeah, and we have to talk about 1:40:45.280 --> 1:40:48.400 the Kate Trinada to be Your Girl, like like we 1:40:48.520 --> 1:40:50.559 have to like and the record you did for him, 1:40:50.560 --> 1:40:53.080 the Culture Joint on his album actually, and that. 1:40:53.080 --> 1:40:54.480 Was co written with my sons. 1:40:55.280 --> 1:40:55.680 He was. 1:40:56.439 --> 1:41:03.759 Yeah, it was yeah, the the remix bringing that song 1:41:03.840 --> 1:41:08.760 back some twelve years after, not even twelve, it was. 1:41:08.840 --> 1:41:11.559 It was wild though. It was like twelve twenty twelve, 1:41:11.640 --> 1:41:14.559 and I had record with Sleaks in two thousand and four. 1:41:15.080 --> 1:41:16.920 Yeah, it was yeah, it was a long time. 1:41:17.000 --> 1:41:20.040 Yeah, but I felt really good and I love him, 1:41:20.120 --> 1:41:23.840 and I just thought it was super cool because we 1:41:23.880 --> 1:41:26.519 got to we did that and now we all need him. 1:41:26.360 --> 1:41:28.920 You know, I can't talk that now. I was so proud. 1:41:29.280 --> 1:41:29.400 Now. 1:41:29.520 --> 1:41:30.760 I was so happy, I'll say. 1:41:30.800 --> 1:41:34.040 However it happened without I was so happy to see 1:41:34.040 --> 1:41:36.920 that be available on officially in streaming service. 1:41:37.160 --> 1:41:38.720 However it get done, I don't care. 1:41:38.880 --> 1:41:44.320 But we got together and we did it. Yeah, so 1:41:43.600 --> 1:41:47.840 so yeah, but I was really appreciative, and I just feel, like, 1:41:49.200 --> 1:41:50.960 to be honest with you, quest that made me feel 1:41:51.040 --> 1:41:53.920 good as a songwriter, you know, I feel be Your 1:41:53.960 --> 1:41:57.120 Girl makes me feel really good as a songwriter right up. 1:41:57.120 --> 1:42:00.160 Because even if it's the original or the remix or 1:42:00.200 --> 1:42:02.960 one of the other trillion remixes that people have done. 1:42:02.960 --> 1:42:06.080 The fact that I did something that long ago, genuinely 1:42:06.120 --> 1:42:08.360 from my heart and people still like it today, it 1:42:08.360 --> 1:42:09.240 makes me feel really good. 1:42:09.439 --> 1:42:11.559 I love Maids for that reason. 1:42:11.800 --> 1:42:14.400 So the fact that I have a song that can 1:42:14.479 --> 1:42:17.200 come on way later and people still get into it, 1:42:17.520 --> 1:42:20.120 it just makes me feel really good. That's marks more 1:42:20.160 --> 1:42:22.519 than the financial game of it. I feel really really 1:42:22.520 --> 1:42:24.479 good as an artist that it's the same. 1:42:25.120 --> 1:42:27.200 I love it well. 1:42:27.520 --> 1:42:33.880 You know, I almost feel compelled to do our traditional ending, 1:42:34.920 --> 1:42:37.240 in which we all say what we learned today. I 1:42:40.960 --> 1:42:44.759 will say that it's don't come correct with teacher muses. 1:42:45.800 --> 1:42:49.040 You've done become part of a narrative. 1:42:51.240 --> 1:42:53.280 Yeah, she gonna write it. She's gonna write a jam 1:42:53.320 --> 1:42:53.880 about your ad. 1:42:54.160 --> 1:42:55.559 All right, What else did we learn today? 1:42:55.800 --> 1:42:57.040 I learned I did not know. 1:42:57.160 --> 1:43:00.240 I swear I did not know that us shouting out 1:43:00.280 --> 1:43:03.479 on the gangster girls that that you know that I 1:43:03.520 --> 1:43:05.519 have no idea. Yeah, we was just I mean, we 1:43:05.479 --> 1:43:07.320 were just showing you love, like I was. You know, 1:43:08.880 --> 1:43:10.479 n we was just showing you love. I mean, I've 1:43:10.479 --> 1:43:13.519 been bumping complex simplicity, and so you know, we're me 1:43:13.560 --> 1:43:15.479 and Pools just talking ship that night in the studio, 1:43:15.560 --> 1:43:17.760 were starting to keep it so, Nah, I've been a 1:43:17.800 --> 1:43:20.360 fan forever, and you know, just I see. 1:43:20.160 --> 1:43:20.960 The people you work with. 1:43:21.000 --> 1:43:22.960 You work with like a lot of you know, homies 1:43:23.000 --> 1:43:25.439 I know and people I really respect, and I just 1:43:25.439 --> 1:43:27.679 really appreciate the way you've moved in this game. And 1:43:27.720 --> 1:43:30.360 it's just You're always someone that I've always looked at, 1:43:30.520 --> 1:43:33.560 you know, you, my brother Eric Roberson, you know what 1:43:33.600 --> 1:43:35.200 I'm saying, just on the R and B level war 1:43:35.240 --> 1:43:37.599 It's just like yo, it is people out here that's 1:43:37.640 --> 1:43:41.559 eating like that are eating good and making good and 1:43:41.640 --> 1:43:42.280 raising family. 1:43:42.400 --> 1:43:44.080 Kendred absolutely, Kendred the family. 1:43:44.120 --> 1:43:46.519 So and so I just you know, thank you and 1:43:46.560 --> 1:43:49.639 commend you for just you know, being just that person 1:43:49.680 --> 1:43:52.120 and that artist and just having that integrity and you know, 1:43:52.160 --> 1:43:53.920 always putting your best foot forward in the music you 1:43:53.960 --> 1:43:54.200 put out. 1:43:54.240 --> 1:43:56.760 It really means a lot, you know what. 1:43:58.040 --> 1:44:01.639 Everybody else go Yeah, you can so much. 1:44:02.840 --> 1:44:04.759 You can go ahead. 1:44:05.080 --> 1:44:05.800 It is your show. 1:44:06.360 --> 1:44:07.639 No Oh. 1:44:08.160 --> 1:44:11.479 I learned two things. One, uh Fonte and Teacher should 1:44:11.479 --> 1:44:20.280 have their own podcast and conversation conversations, and two I've 1:44:20.320 --> 1:44:23.120 never been so proud to be Sagittarius whole life. 1:44:24.680 --> 1:44:28.439 Yeah, this is like a Sagittary Sarious appreciation album. I 1:44:28.479 --> 1:44:30.559 didn't know about big as Sagittarius, but. 1:44:30.520 --> 1:44:31.479 I know a whole lot now. 1:44:35.200 --> 1:44:39.360 I don't learned, all right, what you learn I don't, Oh, well, 1:44:39.360 --> 1:44:41.960 I just do go quick. I have just learned that 1:44:42.000 --> 1:44:44.040 what I already knew that teacher is my whole tribesman. 1:44:44.160 --> 1:44:46.759 Every everything that she does I kind of do outside 1:44:46.800 --> 1:44:50.160 of singing and songwriting. And also I've been learned that 1:44:50.360 --> 1:44:52.960 Teacher Moses is an amazing softball player. I just want 1:44:52.960 --> 1:44:53.479 to throw that out. 1:44:53.520 --> 1:44:54.760 On top of everything else that you. 1:44:54.840 --> 1:44:58.240 Do, this bitch can kill on the field. 1:45:00.040 --> 1:45:01.960 Well I had to that day. I'm kind of how 1:45:02.360 --> 1:45:03.320 you can't do what I gotta do. 1:45:03.400 --> 1:45:06.000 No, you you stow, you stow bases and everything. 1:45:06.120 --> 1:45:06.679 Yeah, we played. 1:45:06.680 --> 1:45:08.679 We played a small can run fast. 1:45:09.400 --> 1:45:10.880 You'll own the softball team together? 1:45:11.080 --> 1:45:14.600 Yes, yes, yes, you know not know this. 1:45:15.080 --> 1:45:16.599 I used to play on the Boys and Girls cup 1:45:16.640 --> 1:45:18.080 on the softballs. Yes, I'm here. 1:45:18.280 --> 1:45:19.320 My name is Steve. 1:45:19.360 --> 1:45:22.320 She knows what the sports are, the sports. 1:45:22.680 --> 1:45:25.519 I know what the sports are, all right, Steve? 1:45:25.560 --> 1:45:26.080 What you learn? 1:45:27.160 --> 1:45:27.280 Uh? 1:45:27.640 --> 1:45:29.880 I learned that she's cool and I like her and 1:45:29.920 --> 1:45:32.800 she's a great interview. Thank you for doing this for 1:45:32.880 --> 1:45:38.599 us today. Also in defensive asshole boyfriends, Sorry, but we 1:45:38.640 --> 1:45:46.799 do we do help you come up with good materials. 1:45:46.960 --> 1:45:47.400 I'm ready. 1:45:48.120 --> 1:45:49.439 When is it coming? We have a date for it 1:45:49.479 --> 1:45:53.040 yet not yet? Okay, this is okay, twenty twenty two, 1:45:53.120 --> 1:45:53.840 it's coming this year. 1:45:53.880 --> 1:45:57.960 Yeah, okay, or you know our listeners won't be able 1:45:57.960 --> 1:46:00.760 to see this, but okay. So she's alright, mentioned it 1:46:00.880 --> 1:46:03.360 and I was like, all right. Instead of me looking 1:46:03.400 --> 1:46:08.479 at my my psychedelic kaleidoscope imagery, I started putting uh 1:46:10.200 --> 1:46:11.160 on my television screen. 1:46:11.280 --> 1:46:18.400 Belly, I tell you, I tell. 1:46:18.280 --> 1:46:21.000 You, Belly with the volume down is. 1:46:21.080 --> 1:46:23.480 Actually it's great. It looks amazing. 1:46:23.960 --> 1:46:27.120 It is a beautiful. I never really noticed the cinematize. 1:46:27.120 --> 1:46:28.559 It's a video video. 1:46:29.040 --> 1:46:32.280 Yeah, no, script it is. 1:46:33.000 --> 1:46:33.840 I'm beautiful. 1:46:34.040 --> 1:46:35.559 It is beautiful, the. 1:46:35.600 --> 1:46:40.600 Lighted with the volume down? Who is she. 1:46:42.160 --> 1:46:43.479 Probably be very beautiful? 1:46:43.520 --> 1:46:44.640 Still she is? 1:46:47.080 --> 1:46:48.559 No, no, no, I just remember that her sister was on 1:46:48.560 --> 1:46:50.559 a reality showing a gospel play. There's a whole nother 1:46:50.600 --> 1:46:53.320 thing with Jenny Wye. You know, none matter, but I 1:46:53.360 --> 1:46:53.799 know she's. 1:46:53.960 --> 1:46:57.559 Anyway, for real, teacher, This is long overdue. We thank 1:46:57.600 --> 1:46:58.800 you very much for doing the show. 1:46:59.240 --> 1:47:00.200 Thank you guys much. 1:47:00.240 --> 1:47:02.160 I had a great time. I also want to say 1:47:02.160 --> 1:47:05.800 to you before I go, congratulations on your great documentary. 1:47:05.800 --> 1:47:08.559 Is really really amazing. I really appreciate that. And look, 1:47:08.680 --> 1:47:10.680 I appreciate all that it's getting to because it was 1:47:10.720 --> 1:47:11.120 so cool. 1:47:11.439 --> 1:47:13.800 Hopefully by the time this makes it to air, I 1:47:13.840 --> 1:47:23.519 will winning. Yes, manifested, Yes, absolutely all right, so on 1:47:23.600 --> 1:47:26.120 behalf of the Great Teacher Moses and I'm paid, Bill 1:47:26.240 --> 1:47:29.680 and Chuck, Steve, Fon, Tikolo and Ev. This is another 1:47:30.320 --> 1:47:35.000 classic much love Sacre Nate stravaganza. We will see you 1:47:35.040 --> 1:47:43.320 on the next stor down. Thank you very much. Much 1:47:43.360 --> 1:47:49.800 Love Supreme is a production on iHeart Radio. For more 1:47:49.840 --> 1:47:53.880 podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 1:47:54.280 --> 1:47:56.040 or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.