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Speaker 1: When you pissed him all or when he was pissed

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Speaker 2: Welcome into North Side Territory Foul Territories Cubs Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 2: Sahadev Sharma with my co host Patrick Mooney. We're your

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Speaker 2: Cubs beat writers over at the Athletic. Patrick, we have

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Speaker 2: a guest today, the Mets beat writer Will Salmon. Will's

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Speaker 2: got a lot to talk about. Since you know the

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Speaker 2: Cubs are playing the Mets soon, we have a lot

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Speaker 2: in Milwaukee. So Will welcome Patrick. Why don't you take

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 4: You do a fantastic job covering the Mets for the Athletic.

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Speaker 4: Love reading your stuff, especially when the team has been

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Speaker 4: yo yoing back and forth. I feel like you were

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Speaker 5: Wrong, disaster stories, and then they just picked it up. So,

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Speaker 5: I don't know, give us a snapshot here of like

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Speaker 1: What do you how do you see this unfolding.

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Speaker 6: Well, I woke up today and some of the things

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Speaker 6: about work was, Wow, what are the little anecdotes like

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Speaker 1: Few weeks from a few weeks leading up to it.

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Speaker 7: We're not quite there yet here with this team, you know,

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Speaker 7: but things you're trending in the right direction finally, after

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Speaker 1: Of stuff actually came out of that. I know that,

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Speaker 7: Whole lot of fuss about that, but a lot of

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Speaker 1: And so I think it's a lot of like regression

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Speaker 7: In some ways with the lineup, and that will take them,

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think Cubs fans are still well

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Speaker 7: They're not there yet with this, And a lot of

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Speaker 7: He probably means more to the Mets than any other

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Speaker 4: Well, he gave us a great scouting report on Craig

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Speaker 1: Basis in Milwaukee. Yeah, that that is right on. That's

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Speaker 7: the delicate balance that's necessary with that. So I think

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Speaker 7: media is performative, and it just goes back to that

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Speaker 7: he's just he's just not he's just not a fake guy,

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Speaker 7: Like he's not some kind of like fake tough guy.

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Speaker 1: Like if he's if he's pissed, you're gonna always pissed.

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Speaker 7: And it's gonna be genuine and it's gonna come out

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Speaker 7: and it's going to not be some fake for show,

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Speaker 7: I guess.

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Speaker 1: And that's another thing that I really respected about him

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Speaker 7: When you pissed him off or when he was pissed

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Speaker 7: at the game, you knew it right away, like there

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Speaker 7: was no guessing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think we've definitely seen that with counsel. And like

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Speaker 4: I had said earlier, Will like you gave us a

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Speaker 4: great scouting report, and for all our listeners, I can't

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Speaker 4: recommend Will's coverage enough. Even if you're not like a

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Speaker 4: Mett like, you can hear in his answers, the depth

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Speaker 4: of his understanding of the game, the contacts and relationships

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Speaker 4: that he has throughout the baseball industry. After covering a

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Speaker 4: couple of teams that have had a lot of a

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Speaker 4: lot of shuffling going on, that definitely helps as well.

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Speaker 4: That Will we'll see really both sides of the.

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Speaker 3: Big market small market spectrum.

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Speaker 4: And I think it's always fascinating to read because you

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Speaker 4: pick up on, like I said earlier, those mets on

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Speaker 4: the verge of collapse, you know, most expensive flop in

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Speaker 4: baseball history. You're all over that, So Cups fans, if

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Speaker 4: you want to read I guess now you're onlike the

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Speaker 4: hopeful track of the Cubs fans can look at the

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Speaker 4: mats and be like, hey, I think you wrote it

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Speaker 4: today of like one good week and it totally changes

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Speaker 4: the trajectory of your season. But with the way both

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Speaker 4: these teams have gone, there's probably gonna be a lot

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Speaker 4: more down moments as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'll just I'll just echo with what Patrick said.

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Speaker 2: If there are young writers or anyone that wants to

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Speaker 2: get into this business, Will is the type of person

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Speaker 2: you should be as is like he's paying attention to everything,

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Speaker 2: constantly thinking about what he can how he can get better,

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Speaker 2: and and just like stands out among the group very quickly.

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Speaker 2: How long have you been doing this in baseball?

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Speaker 1: Five years?

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Speaker 2: Six years?

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Speaker 1: My first actually after college?

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Speaker 2: Yeah so so not even so I thought it was longer,

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Speaker 2: but Will Will immediately stood out. And and you know,

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Speaker 2: the athletic is lucky enough to have young writers so

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Speaker 2: like that. But but Will has always stood out to me.

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Speaker 2: So I appreciate all the work you do. Will appreciate

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Speaker 2: you coming on, uh, and and thanks for thanks for

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Speaker 2: joining us. Uh, We'll see you this weekend in Chicago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be fun, guys. Thanks for having me. Love

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Speaker 1: what you guys do as well.

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Speaker 2: Thanks well, Thanks so much for listening to Northside Territory.

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Speaker 2: I'm Sahadi Sharma. That's Patrick Mooney. Make sure to read

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening. Take care,