WEBVTT - Chopsticks > Forks 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:03.040 Doo Doo doo doo. Or wait, what's the opposite? How 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:10.239 about do Do Do Do? Sad? Trombone Vancouver and Portland, Oregon. Uh, 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:12.680 we can't come see right now. We're sorry to say. 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:16.360 It's not us. It's the coronavirus told us not to come. 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:19.759 That's right. Uh. Local authorities are shutting down shows of 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:22.760 the size. We are not able to come. We are postponing. 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:26.840 We will have more information coming as far as rescheduling. UM. 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:29.120 I believe how it works is your tickets are good 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:31.639 if you want to come to that other show, but 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:34.480 we don't know all the details yet. To just bear 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:36.320 with us while we try and figure this out. Right, 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:38.440 and in the meantime, you can get in touch with 0:00:38.600 --> 0:00:43.479 the Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall and the Chance Center Box 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:46.400 offices to figure out what's what. Yeah, they'll probably have 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:50.440 good at phone. But we really apologize for any inconvenience 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.600 and we will eventually see you, guys, we promise. In 0:00:53.640 --> 0:00:57.400 the meantime, stay well, wash those hands and don't panic. 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:01.720 Welcome just to you should know a production of five 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:10.600 Heart Radios. How stuff works? Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:14.160 I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:18.920 over there, and this is stuff you should know all 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:22.440 about the song chopsticks. I wonder if you're going to 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:25.039 make a joke about that. Jerry beat me to it 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:27.200 when she was like, what are we recording today? And 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:32.080 I told her She's like the song dent Dent, Dent, dent, Dent. No, 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:37.479 it's dent dent, didn't sticks? Are there two chopsticks? Now 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:40.840 I'm just teasing. That's heart and soul. Oh okay, So 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:44.120 so what I said from big that was chopsticks right, totally? Yeah, 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:49.440 Robert Robert Loggia, Yeah, man, I should have continued rolling 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:53.280 and said, James Con, Wow, that is a very James 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:56.160 con like role though, isn't it. Totally? I think he 0:01:56.320 --> 0:02:01.120 played that role and Blanket and uh well he was 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.960 a crime boss and bottle rockingly yeah, sort of good. 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:08.720 We watched Misery the other day. It still holds up. 0:02:08.880 --> 0:02:12.000 Oh man, I remember seeing that for the first time 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:17.280 in Athens when I was in college. So great. Cathy 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:19.880 Bates can do no wrong. She did great. But if 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:23.040 you watch James Con he did really well too, like 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:27.440 his whole kind of trepidacious manner toward her was really 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:31.160 well done and not overdone at all, and like he 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:32.720 did a great job as well, and he had to 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:35.680 lay there in a bed for weeks and weeks and act. 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:38.919 Yeah it sounds like a dream. Yeah, And if he 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:41.880 if he balked at it, they would attach to Catherine 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:43.400 to him and make him pete in his own mouth 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:47.120 as punishment, like a little known fact about that movie. 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:52.960 Oh so chopsticks, right, we should point out here that, uh, 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:58.480 in researching this chopsticks and customs and etiquette, if we 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.600 covered all the countries and all that stuff that use chopsticks, 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:04.400 we'd be here all day. So there's kind of a 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:08.800 focus here on on Japan. They seem to be a 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:14.880 little uh the most um sensitive to transgressions with chopsticks 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:18.000 out of all of the Asian cultures. I think they 0:03:18.040 --> 0:03:20.600 have the most rules against him at the very least. Yeah, 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:22.520 but when you read them, it's they could all be 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:25.840 summed up as just don't be a dumb American, yeah, 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:29.480 or don't have any fun whatsoever with your chopsticks is 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.280 another way to You're like, what's wrong with making them 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:37.040 antennas in a restaurant and going right I'm a walrus, now, 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:40.280 why can't I be a walrus? Right? Um? But we 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:43.280 are talking chopsticks, not the song. Sorry to disappoint you everybody, 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:45.720 but I saw that that that song is actually called 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:50.880 chopsticks because it was originally called the Celebrated chop Waltz Okay, 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:54.160 written by a sixteen year old school girl from England. 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:57.360 It seems about right, sure, so um, but we're talking 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:00.560 about the the utensils. And like when you think chopsticks, 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:05.000 obviously you think like Asia and you don't think that 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:08.240 there was ever anything but chopsticks in the history of Asia. 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:12.040 And while chopsticks are actually surprisingly old, I think they 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:16.520 go back about seven thousand years. Also saw five thousand years. 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:19.400 I'm going with seven. I think they're they're actually about 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:22.440 as ancient as that. They weren't like the go to 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:27.920 utensil for Asia until this millennium. Yeah, the the spoon 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:32.839 was kind of the go to the word chopstick. They 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:38.520 think maybe pigeon English Chinese pigeon English meaning chop chop 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:41.839 or quickly right. But you know, this is one of 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:44.400 these etymologies. It's sort of tough to pin down. It 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:46.720 looks like, but that's the English word for it, and 0:04:46.839 --> 0:04:50.200 all of the chopstick using cultures they have their own word, 0:04:50.279 --> 0:04:55.640 like in Japan it's hashi, it's kua easy in China. Nice. 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:58.040 I'm not sure if I said that right at all. 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:03.719 Um geo garrok in Korean, al right, not as not 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:11.159 as nice, and dett detta in Vietnamese. I'm sorry half 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:13.679 of the world's population. I love that you started strong 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:15.880 in Japan though, because you feel pretty confident in your 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.760 Japanese pronunciations. That's a good way to go. Yes, I 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:24.159 have a great tutor, that's right. So, uh, five to 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:28.640 seven thousand years ago. They were used initially for cooking, 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:31.159 and we'll get more into the ins and outs of 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:35.320 the history, but they were made from twigs probably, and 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:38.160 it was much much later, like you said that they 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:43.760 were table utensils, and it was all very much like, uh, 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:50.120 practicality based, yeah, because initially they figured out pretty early 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:54.160 on these, Um, the Chinese from five thousand and seven 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:56.160 thousand years ago, that's a really bad idea to stick 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:59.280 your hand into a pot of boiling water to get 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:01.680 something out it, say, like a bone or a piece 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:04.640 of meat or something like that. It's way better to 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:08.400 use a twig, and it's even better to use two twigs, 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:11.560 as if they were kind of a pair of detached tweezers. 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:14.640 That's apparently where they initially started to come into use 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:19.080 was during cooking and food preparation, not the actual eating process. 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:23.000 That's right. Um, there was a big population boom in 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:26.960 China at one point, some might say there continues to be. 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:32.760 Someone said, and resources became a little more scarce. They 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:35.880 started cutting their food up into little tiny pieces. Um, 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:40.080 for reasons of like helps it to cook faster. Um. 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:42.040 I wonder I didn't see anything about this, but I 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:45.040 wonder if that also just made it more share able 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:47.719 among a larger family. I could see that. That's a 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:51.000 great point too. And isn't it fascinating though, the idea 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:55.880 that a population boom led to widespread use of the chopstick? Yeah, 0:06:56.080 --> 0:07:00.040 it's interesting. And then Confucius also was a vegetarian and 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:05.839 noted knife hater. He has a quote about knives. The 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.240 honorable and upright man keeps well away from both the 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:11.080 slaughter house and the kitchen, and he allows no knives 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:13.520 on his table. And I think that was a little 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:16.840 more because the knive was equated with eating meat right 0:07:17.040 --> 0:07:19.760 less than like it's a garbage tool. You don't need 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:22.920 You don't need a knife to eat a plant. Basically. Yeah, 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:24.880 I might argue you might want to cut a piece 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:28.800 of bruccoli maybe, but you don't have to. I just 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:31.600 summed up Confucius. That's the level of arrogance that I'm 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:35.160 operating at now. Uh. And I think some of the 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:37.480 early and you know, it started in in China, and 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:41.120 then you know, pretty soon Korea, Vietnam, Japan, we're all 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:47.800 using them. But I think that Chinese chopsticks, uh, we're 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:51.640 joined at what they are? Now what do they call now? 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:56.320 What they're joined? And you gotta split them apart? Oh warabashi. 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:59.920 That's Japanese. That's the term for disposable chopsticks. Okay, but 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:03.040 I thought I thought the Chinese chopsticks were originally joined 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:06.040 like that. Yes, No, it was Japanese. Okay. There was 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:08.840 a single piece of bamboo that was like split kind 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:12.800 of like giant tweezers. Okay, yeah, I'm reading this now. 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:16.760 I had a sometimes I just now reading this, Well, No, 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:19.240 I get sometimes and it's the dumbest thing, but I 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:23.560 get confused between former and ladder. Oh yeah, it's not 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:25.240 that I get confused. I just have to go back 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:27.720 and sort of picture it in my brain. It just 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:30.320 takes an extra second, I think for everybody. That's right. 0:08:30.520 --> 0:08:33.280 It's definitely not intuitive, so don't feel bad. I also 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:36.520 thought this thing about food poisoning was interesting. Um was 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:41.440 that in uh dynastic times in China, they would use 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:43.240 and I guess people that are a little more well 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:48.640 healed would use silver chopsticks um because they thought that 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:52.199 if it came into contact with something that was poisonous, 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:54.640 then the chopsticks would turn black and they would know 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.280 not to eat it. M I mean, it just makes sense. 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:00.320 When you're rich and wealthy, more people want to kill you, 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:03.560 So it's better to have something that shows if somebody's 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:06.720 trying to poison you, like your chopsticks turning a color 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:10.680 if you're being poisonous cyanide or something like that. The 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.520 problem is that doesn't actually work, and I don't know 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:15.880 why they didn't just think that through from the get go, like, 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.920 oh well, let's get ourselves some cyanide and stick a 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:22.000 silver chopstick in it and see what happens and see 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:25.040 that it doesn't work. But apparently does work in the 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:29.480 presence of garlic or rotten eggs because they put out 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:32.600 hydrogen sulfide so it will turn silver a different color. 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:37.000 So I don't know how garlic ever made itself into 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:40.360 a staple of Chinese cooking, but there we have it. Yeah. 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:41.920 And the other thing I thought was interesting and we 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:44.520 should mention too. This came from a variety of places, 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.920 uh Teagan Jones at Kissmoto, Lisa Brahmin from Smithsonian mag 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:54.440 q Edward Wang from Cambridge blog, Huff Poe Believe it 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:57.880 or Not, got in the Works, and some other places. 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:01.280 But um, I thought that Q. Edward Wang's history was 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:08.160 really interesting because um he mentions that wheat is kind 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:11.960 of the first reason before rice, which really surprised me. 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:15.240 It was very surprising. I think he knew all along 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:19.840 that that was a big reveal, you know. But that's 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:22.800 what gave chopsticks a shot in the arm. Um. So 0:10:22.920 --> 0:10:27.320 first we have cutting um food into smaller pieces to 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:30.719 to have a cook faster, so you use less firewood, 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:34.400 right because there's a population boom. And then as wheat 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:39.120 becomes kind of fashionable and widespread, um, you're starting to 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:42.319 use chopsticks because you're making things like noodles and dumplings. 0:10:42.840 --> 0:10:46.360 And prior to this, millet was the the go to 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:49.680 green and millet's really small, It's much smaller than rice, 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:51.680 and you certainly aren't going to turn it into like 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:55.080 a noodle or a dumpling. You make a gruel out 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:58.960 of it. And so for thousands of years, the go 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:02.120 to utensil that people used to eat with in China 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:05.120 was a spoon because they were eating gruel or porridge 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:08.199 or whatever. Everybody hated life. But when we came along 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:11.240 and they started turning into noodles and dumplings, they said, oh, yeah, 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:14.319 I remember those things that we use those twigs to 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:16.880 to cook with. What have we made a smaller version 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:20.160 of those to eat with two And that's where the 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:24.120 chopstick got its first like real boost in in usage 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:27.559 around Asia. Yeah. I mean, try to eat a big 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:31.319 spoonful of noodles and just watch as they flop off 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:35.000 and sling delicious sauce all over all over the place. 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:40.320 There is literally nothing more frustrating than trying to eat 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:44.960 noodles with the spoon in the entire world. Yeah, and 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:48.240 I mean, sure, you could chop them up into tiny 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:51.960 little pieces so they rest in your spoon with some broth. Sure, 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:54.320 but who who wants to do that? Like the person 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:58.760 that cuts up there busketty at the table into tiny 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:03.880 bits is a six year old yeah, or just thoroughly 0:12:04.000 --> 0:12:09.520 un American one of the two, maybe both, depending on 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:12.360 how sophisticated the six year old days. Uh. The other 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:15.120 thing I thought was interesting too, uh from Mr Wang's 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:19.240 article was he talked about stew, which is gang in Chinese. Uh. 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:21.640 They ate a lot of stew back then, and chopsticks 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:24.319 would be very useful for picking up things like the 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:28.000 more solid objects in the stew, like the vegetables. Right, 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:32.280 So you've got wheat coming into into vogue, you've got 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:37.000 smaller pieces vegetables stew being eaten, chopsticks or like, come on, 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:38.840 we're gonna do what we gotta do this. We just 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:40.880 need one more thing to get us over the hump 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.760 and people are gonna know us everywhere around the world. 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:47.400 And that one thing was a particular kind of Vietnamese 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:52.160 rice that ripens early apparently, and it's a shorter grain 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:56.120 or a medium grain, which means that it's easier to 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:58.840 um it clumps more easily. Also has a lot of 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:02.000 like starches to it. It's just kind of clumpy, sticky rice. 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:04.920 And here in the West, we're not really used to 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:06.760 that kind of rice. So we're like, how are you 0:13:06.800 --> 0:13:09.960 going to use chopsticks to eat this stuff? Like, try 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:12.920 eating some uncle bends with chopsticks. You can't do it. 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.360 It's like trying to eat noodles with the spoon. Yeah, 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:17.560 or you would just do that move. And this is 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:19.440 what I didn't understand when I was growing up, because 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:22.199 I was a little naive when I saw chopsticks, I 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.600 would just think about scooping up the rice on top 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:28.599 of them very awkwardly. And it wasn't Since I was 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:31.000 a little bit older and had good clumpy Chinese rice 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:34.400 and Japanese rice, I was like, oh, it's very easy 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:39.319 to eat with chopsticks. Yeah. And you're just like, oh, okay, 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:41.520 I've got it because it's sticks together. It's like a 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:45.079 nice little morsel of food and it sticks together just 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:49.080 about the right size, and and it's it's it's totally different. 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:52.400 So when you eat Chinese rice or Japanese rice, or 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:55.960 even viating Themese rights the stickier rice, then you understand, Okay, 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:57.760 you can use this as a as you can use 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:00.480 chopsticks for this. And the Chinese figure this out as 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:04.199 well when rice became much more of a staple of 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:07.600 the Asian diet, and all of a sudden, now you 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:10.080 didn't need a spoon anymore because everybody's like to heck 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:13.440 with millet. Who wants gruel? Nobody? So they threw their 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:17.000 spoons out the window. Um, and then they started just 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:20.280 eating chopsticks for everything that you could use it for everything. 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:22.840 Now that's all you needed for your meal. Yeah, and 0:14:22.880 --> 0:14:25.560 that all in one solution, I think was um. That 0:14:25.640 --> 0:14:29.920 happened in China and Japan and Vietnam for sure, and 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:32.760 Korea I think was the one stand out because I 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:36.560 believe in Korea the spoon and the chopstick still go 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:41.840 hand in hand. Yeah. And this I believe it was 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:44.640 Q Edward Lang who maybe wrote this, but he basically 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:50.040 said it. It seems to be a conscious decision, almost 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:53.320 as if they were being contrary or something like that. 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:55.320 Maybe they just want to do their own thing. Well, 0:14:55.360 --> 0:14:59.120 they eat a lot of very very hot stews and soups. 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:02.600 Have you ever had boot aga? I don't think so. 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:05.200 I'm not even sure I'm saying it correctly. Have you 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:07.320 ever been to eat it like h mart or like 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:10.520 an Asian food cord or something like that. If you 0:15:10.600 --> 0:15:13.480 go to a Korean place, they usually have I think 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:17.400 it's called boot. It's like hot dog soup basically, my lord, 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.840 and it's like this kind of I'm not even sure. 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:24.000 I guess it's a It's like a chilly paste broth 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:28.480 with lots of great processed meat in it, and like 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:33.000 ramen and like hallapenos. It's just so good. But that 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:36.840 thing comes to you boiling, and you're supposed to like 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:39.160 eat the chunky parts out with it with a chopstick. 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.720 But I guess it always comes with a spoon tube, 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:43.720 so I think you're supposed to actually eat the broth 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:46.760 with the spoon rather than sip. I'll tell you one 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:50.880 thing I do love is the design of the um 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:52.680 and I'm calling it the Chinese spoon. I don't know 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:55.240 if it originated in China, but you know the soup 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:57.240 spoon I'm talking about, Yeah, like the one you use 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:00.880 for miso soup. Man, They're just the best. Yeah, they do. 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:04.880 They because you can get a really big spoonful on there. 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:06.960 You know, it's ergonomic. It just it's the way to 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:08.360 it's the way to do it, unless you're just going 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:09.840 to pick up the bowl and drink it, which is 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:13.160 great too. Up with the miso soup spoon. All right, 0:16:13.280 --> 0:16:16.000 let's take a break because I'm so hungry after he said, 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:20.120 hot dogs stew when the stomach is growling. Uh, And 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:47.120 we'll come back and we'll talk more about Chopsticksosh and shock. 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:57.640 So I don't remember what episode it was, Chuck, but 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:00.240 do you remember when our our stomachs growled insane with 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:03.920 one another? That was very recently? It was. Yeah, you 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:08.919 can still reminisce about recent stuff. I say, I'm nostalgic 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:13.480 for that thing that happened last week pretty much so 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:17.080 apparently and this, uh, I'm not sure how accurate this is, 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:24.359 but the four main kinds of chopsticks apparently, um, in China, 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:28.800 the chopsticks are a little bit longer and a little 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:31.199 more blunt on the ends. Yeah, And they think that 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:34.480 might be a nod too, Confucius basically saying like, don't 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:38.480 have knives at your table. Don't even have vaguely sharpened 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:42.360 chopsticks even like nothing stabby nothing, Don't you don't want 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:44.280 to be stabbed at your table? I think in Japan, 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:47.040 they're a little sharper and a little shorter, but you're 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:50.760 still not supposed to be stabbing stuff. No, don't stab 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:55.480 that piece of tuna. No, it's you can just tell 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:57.280 if you've ever done that while you're doing it, that 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:01.000 you're violating some unnatural law or something. It feels wrong, 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:04.040 doesn't it. Yeah? Uh, let me see here in Korea, 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:07.920 apparently they are shorter as well, and they are also blunt, 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:12.480 but they can be metallic. Yeah, that's one thing that 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:15.400 we'll see because we're gonna talk about. As with everything 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:20.720 in existence, there's some horrid environmental impact with chopsticks as well. Um, 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:25.240 But the Japanese are like, give us cheap, disposable wooden 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:30.040 or bamboo chopsticks and basically nothing else. They're just crazy 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:32.240 for it, where some of the other Asian cultures are like, no, 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.600 we can use reusable ones, but the Japanese are like, no, 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:40.800 we want nothing but disposable, cheap chopsticks. That wabashi. I 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:45.520 assume that you and you me have your own chopsticks 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:49.399 at home. Oh yeah, and do you bring those two restaurants? 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:55.240 Oh no, no, no, never do. We should really should, 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:57.400 But I usually think when I'm there, I'm like, man, 0:18:57.560 --> 0:18:59.600 I should have brought my chopsticks. Well, you know, I 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:01.800 mean like if you go to any Asian store, they 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.800 have like cute little it looks almost like a pencil case, 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:07.320 but it's you know, chopsticks inside, and it's meant for 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:10.920 you to carry them around with you. But no one 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:13.880 does that. You just don't. Even though hopefully in ten 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.159 years when we're all like, Okay, this is out of 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:19.000 control and this is really bad, everyone will be doing that. 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:21.199 You just don't do it. And yeah, we have some 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:23.639 that like I could just put in my jeans pocket 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:25.560 and walk around with if I wanted to, but I 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:30.240 don't do it. Yeah, I take my straw now and 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:32.879 I use it because I now keep it in my purse, 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:37.119 your merse merse, which goes everywhere with me. So I 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:39.520 need I need to throw some chopsticks in there. Sure, 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:42.760 And it's a good feeling when you say no straw. 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:44.159 I've got my own, and I would love to be 0:19:44.200 --> 0:19:47.359 able to say no, no, you keep those wooden chopsticks. Yeah, 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:52.760 take that straw and shove it where the sun don't shine. Wow, 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:56.840 I'm not that aggressive. It's so funny depending on where 0:19:56.880 --> 0:19:59.160 you are in the country though, Like if they bring 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:01.480 you a straw and you say no, no, straw please, 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:03.439 they look at you like you're just a straight up 0:20:03.960 --> 0:20:08.320 democratic socialist hippie, you know, like you're trying to undermine 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:13.879 the government or something like that. It's kind of hilarious. Yeah, sure, 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:17.040 But other places now are There's a couple of places 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:20.880 in my neighborhood who have um postings on the wall 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:23.880 when you walk in talking about the impact of straws, 0:20:24.520 --> 0:20:28.399 and that straws are upon request only, right, and if 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:30.119 you've got a problem with that, you can take a 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:32.680 straw and shove it where the sun does shine, right, 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:34.960 or you you take that problem to the voting booth. 0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:40.480 This fall right exactly. So are you prepared? Because I 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:42.000 have a feeling you do a better job than me 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:45.760 at this because you you so often have great, convoluted 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:48.879 ways of describing visual things. I'm going to do a 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:51.080 great job describing it to you because you can watch 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:53.720 my hands. But I think for everybody listening it's going 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:57.520 to be very problematic. All right, how do you use chopsticks? 0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:01.480 All right? Gonna get you back for this one, chuck. 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:04.720 So I did it intuitively by the way, which is 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:08.600 what I suggest. Yeah, a thing watch some people. I 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:11.679 think reading it and having it explained makes it way harder. 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:13.560 I think it's just one of those things you have 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:17.399 to watch somebody do in practice. I mean, it's just 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:21.480 all practice. But essentially, there's a couple of things to remember. 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:25.159 Is that both chopsticks are laying. Do you want Do 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:26.879 you want to go step by step through it? No? 0:21:27.040 --> 0:21:29.920 I think I want the Josh method. Okay, well it's 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:34.359 the same it's the same method description. Okay. So in 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:38.720 the valley between your thumb and your forefinger, Okay, the 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:42.320 webbing right there, that's where the chopsticks rest, the thumb taint, 0:21:43.040 --> 0:21:47.159 the thumb taint, the chode your hand showed, Oh my god, 0:21:47.640 --> 0:21:55.240 handed it really is. Um wow. So the two chopsticks 0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:58.959 lay right there, Okay, Okay, one of them, the bottom 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:02.760 one is basically meant to be immobile and stationary. It 0:22:02.880 --> 0:22:05.359 just basically stays there. And it's the top one that 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:09.400 you're you're you're moving, you're kind of holding with your forefinger, 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:14.119 your index finger and your middle finger. That's that's what 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:16.560 you're using to move this, this top one. And so 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:19.080 it's really the bottom one that stays basically stationary, and 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:21.000 the top one is the one that's moving and you're 0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:23.440 just using it to kind of pick up and tweeze 0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:26.119 food or rice or um whatever with it. If you 0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:28.000 get really good, you can like pick your friend up 0:22:28.000 --> 0:22:32.480 with that right or catch a fly if you're sense 0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:35.879 a level with chopsticks, for sure. But that's essentially it, 0:22:35.920 --> 0:22:38.119 and the the you don't want to hold it too tightly. 0:22:38.240 --> 0:22:40.800 If you're if you're gripping it too tightly, your your 0:22:40.840 --> 0:22:43.720 muscles are too tense, you're not kind of be able 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:47.360 to um to to to kind of make that tweezer 0:22:47.440 --> 0:22:49.480 motion very easily, or you're certainly not going to have 0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:53.679 much control. It's kind of paradoxical that the looser you 0:22:53.720 --> 0:22:56.520 have your hand to a certain degree, the more control 0:22:56.600 --> 0:23:00.000 you have over the chopsticks and the tension that you're 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:03.200 wrecting towards the end of the chopstick. So keep your 0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:06.239 keep your hand loose but in control, and just make 0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:08.560 sure you remember that the bottom one that's kind of 0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:10.840 resting all the way along your thumb the freezone. It's 0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:13.360 basically stationary, and the top one is the one you're 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:16.760 directing with your index finger. And middle finger. Yeah, I 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:20.320 recommend halfway through your meal switch those two out because 0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:23.600 that bottom one is just along for the ride and 0:23:23.600 --> 0:23:24.840 it needs to do a little work, you know what 0:23:24.880 --> 0:23:27.760 I mean. So just switch them out and make that 0:23:27.800 --> 0:23:31.640 one the topper and uh give it, you know, make 0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:34.399