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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry

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Speaker 1: over there, and this is stuff you should know all

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Speaker 1: This fall right exactly. So are you prepared? Because I

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Speaker 1: about the fact that China alone produces eighty billion disposable

421
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: chopsticks every year, then you get a little bit more

422
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: of a sense of exactly how many of these trees?

423
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 1: And it says here there was I'm trying to find

424
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 1: out what year this is. It was It was fairly recently, um,

425
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 1: but they've had like parliamentary meetings and stuff about this

426
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 1: in China and they estimated that it takes about twenty

427
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,680
Speaker 1: million twenty year old trees to cover their annual rate

428
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 1: of production. Yeah. A guy named by Jen I'm pretty

429
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,479
Speaker 1: sure I said his last name correct. Um. He's like

430
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: a representative from the Glen Forestry industry group and he

431
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,199
Speaker 1: really like rocked everybody at a parliamentary meeting where he

432
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: basically said, hey, do you remember that old figure that

433
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,360
Speaker 1: everybody has been touting for years that we actually use

434
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: fifty seven billion chopsticks a year, produced fifties seven billion

435
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: chopsticks a year. He said, that's way off. It's actually

436
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 1: eighty billion and like you just said, we need twenty

437
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: million twenty year old trees to meet that a year,

438
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,479
Speaker 1: and people said, wow, that's kind of a problem. And

439
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 1: so around the around the world, like China. So of

440
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: that eight billion, I think China, half of them stays

441
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: in China. Of the other half I wondered about that

442
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: goes to Japan. And Japan was actually the one um

443
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 1: that started all this. They came up with disposable chopsticks

444
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: warribashi um all the way back in seventy eight, and

445
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: I've just been crazy worm ever since. Like you can

446
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: go there, like a pretty high end restaurant in Japan

447
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: and they're going to have wooden chopsticks. Chopsticks yeah that

448
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 1: you you would pull apart. They'll all There are also

449
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: plenty of restaurants in Japan that have re usable ones,

450
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 1: and they're much more elegant or whatever. But it's not

451
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: like you wouldn't just walk in and be like, what

452
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: is this disposable chopsticks? Are you kidding? Because they're just

453
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 1: such a part of Japanese culture. So they use seventy

454
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,679
Speaker 1: seven percent of the other half Korea uses twenty one

455
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: and then two percent comes to the United States. I

456
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: have to catch that. That That was two thousand and eleven figures,

457
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: which is the latest I could find. Yeah, I'm kind

458
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: of surprised that. Um, I would think China and Japan,

459
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: it would just seem like they would like everyone would

460
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: have their own and it would be a very like

461
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 1: prideful thing to take care of your chopsticks and to

462
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: have something cool looking. It just kind of surprises me

463
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: that they're so down with the disposable. It surprises a

464
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: lot of people. Especially Japan is like really well known

465
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: for being meticulous with recyclinging and reducing waste and stuff

466
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: like that. Um yeah, it's just this one thing. They

467
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: really love their disposable chopsticks. Um, and they just throw

468
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: them away. They're not being recycled or composted or anything

469
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 1: like that. They're just being thrown in the trash. So

470
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: some what I read is that some restaurants will offer um,

471
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 1: you know, t uh for free if you bring your

472
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: own chopsticks or maybe like a but um yeah, basically,

473
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: but there's not like a lot of there's not a

474
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: huge amount of movement in Japan where China and this

475
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: is I think I read this in like a like

476
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: a New York Times Green blog or something like that. Um,

477
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: China has made some some moves like like taxing disposable

478
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: adding an extra tax to disposable chopsticks. I think, um,

479
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,919
Speaker 1: more regulation basically overall, I think, which is really saying something,

480
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, Um, there's there's like apparently a

481
00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: whole sub industry to the disposable chopsticks industry that is

482
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: small enough that it escapes a lot of oversight, and

483
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: they can be really problematic, like there can be a

484
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: lot of chemicals in these chopsticks. Um, they're just like

485
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: an all around basic nightmare and it's just such low

486
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: hanging through all and everybody has to do is just

487
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: have their own chop sticks. But just people just won't

488
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: do it. And I'm guilty too, like I said, I mean,

489
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: we we have reusable ones at home, but we don't

490
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: take them out of the house ever. Yeah. Plus the

491
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: paper used to encase the said chopsticks. That's a lot

492
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: of paper too, Yeah it is. And what do you

493
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 1: do with that stuff? You just rip it open and

494
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: burn it at the table. So yeah, yeah, yeah it's true.

495
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: Should we take another break? Yeah, all right, we'll take

496
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: another break and talk a little bit about etiquette. Right

497
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: after this, because we're all doing it wrong to a

498
00:28:50,320 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: certain degree. Shosh and shock. Okay, miss Manners, lay it on.

499
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: That's Dr Mrs Manners, PhD esquire. So this is mainly

500
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: Japan that we're concentrating on with the etiquette, and like

501
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: you said, I think they take it a little more

502
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: seriously than some other Asian countries because it turns out

503
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: that chopsticks can and have had an important part in

504
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: burial rights, yeah, and funeral rights, Buddhist funeral rights. Like

505
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: a lot of the the taboos I guess you'd call

506
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: them over chopsticks in Japan and in other Asian countries too,

507
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: are kind of based on like, well, that's that's kind

508
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: of something we do with funeral rights. And so that

509
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: reminds us of that Japan is not crazy about being

510
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: reminded of death or mortality or pain. All that stuff

511
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: is very um unlucky, Like the number four is unlucky

512
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: because the word for four, I think she also sounds

513
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: very much like the word for death. Right. I think

514
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: I remember that that. So they don't have four elevator floors,

515
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: is that right? Don't if they do or not, but

516
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: let's just go with that. They don't because it sounds

517
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: pretty great. So etiquette level one is how is how

518
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: this is presented. There's a couple of levels here as

519
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: far as like, you really shouldn't do these things, but

520
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: if you really want to ramp it up, you shouldn't

521
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: do these things as well. I felt these were kind

522
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: of willy nilly, didn't you. Well, I mean, this is

523
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 1: one person's opinion, right, But um, the things that you

524
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: really shouldn't do are the following. Um, do not if

525
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: you like get up to go to the bathroom, don't

526
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: stick your chopsticks sitting upright in your bowl of rice. No,

527
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: And that has to do with the household Buddhist altar,

528
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: because it is a bowl of rice is offered as

529
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: to a dead person's spirit. And this apparently is from

530
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: a Baudhist Baudhist Buddhist funeral rites as well, because there's

531
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: a photograph of a bowl of rice and to stick

532
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: chopsticks in the middle of that would be for boating. Um,

533
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: I think it's they'll have like a photograph of the

534
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: deceased and they give them a bowl of uncooked rice,

535
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: so they and they stick the chopsticks up in there.

536
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I read that it's reminiscent of that that okay,

537
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: So that's so it's got that death thing going on,

538
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: the death angle. Yeah. And then the other thing I

539
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: saw about that too is that they also is reminiscent

540
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: of a like a bowl of sand within since sticking

541
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: out of it that you would also put on a

542
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: Buddhist shrine to the deceased. So they're like way too

543
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: reminiscent of death for that to be Okay, Okay, that

544
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: makes sense. Now there's another one that's very similar. Don't

545
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: leave your chopsticks crossed, like resting on your bowl or

546
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: on your plate. Just don't cross your chopsticks. It's it's

547
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: impolite basically for the exact same reason is sticking them

548
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: out of the bowl. Right. And I think that one

549
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: is when you see, like on food Instagram food posts

550
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: a lot from Whitey saying, you know, like across the

551
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: chopsticks because it looks cool or whatever. Look at how

552
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: cool this looks? Not cool? Apparently we talked about spearing. Uh.

553
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: The advice here is to treat them as if they

554
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: are actually connected, even though they're not. It's a good

555
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: way to remember it, like pretend connecting. That's right, Yeah,

556
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: and remember this is like that. I think that goes

557
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: back to like Confucius Um, where it's like, don't don't

558
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: have a knife at your table, don't use your chopsticks

559
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: a spear food. That's right. Apparently it's bad luck or

560
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: not bad luck, well maybe bad luck to use uh

561
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: two different chopsticks. Yeah, um, you should have the same

562
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: mommy and daddy. This person said that it's just unsightly

563
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: and that it's also reminiscent funeral rites. That one I couldn't.

564
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: I couldn't figure that one out. There's there's another funeral

565
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: one to a lot of funeral rights involved chopsticks, passing

566
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 1: food from chopstick to chopstick. Like if you're like, hey,

567
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: you gotta try a bite of this, that's just hold

568
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: it up. It's it's but it's kind of it's a

569
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: little bit showy if you can do it, but um,

570
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: but when you know it's somebody grabs it with their chopstick.

571
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: That's how they pass bones from cremations during funeral rites too,

572
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: And they're like, no, that reminds us of that as well. Yeah,

573
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: and there are some of these that are just like

574
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: I can't believe people do this. Do not wash your

575
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: chopsticks off in your beverage. Yeah, that's gross. Someone do that.

576
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. Apparently somebody has the Other thing about

577
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: this is so the fact that they have restrictions on

578
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: this social restrictions means that people have done it before.

579
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: But they also go so far as like most of

580
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: these things all have like individual words. That's how like

581
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: I grow the Japanese are about this, this kind of etiquette.

582
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: They have words for that, Like washing your chopsticks off

583
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: in your drink is not just called washing your chopsticks

584
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: off in your there's a name for it. Uh, let

585
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: me see here. Do not treat them as toys. And

586
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 1: we talked earlier about um, putting them in your mouth

587
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: like their fangs or walrus tusks or antennas or drumsticks

588
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: just not a good look. Right. Here's another one that

589
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: is um. This is a sort of one that I

590
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 1: think happens a lot. Is you might see women American

591
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 1: women maybe do their hair and put chopsticks in them.

592
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: Those when you see that in Japan, those are not chopsticks. Right.

593
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,439
Speaker 1: It might look like chopsticks, but they're actually called kanzashi. Yeah,

594
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 1: it would be kind of like sticking a fork in

595
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: your hair. Right, if you're walking around Japan looking like that,

596
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: they'd be like, why do you why do you have

597
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: that fork in your hair? Looks a little off, But yeah,

598
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: that like they look just like those things, but there's

599
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: a separate thing. What did you call them? Yeah? Nice?

600
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful word, right, I know. Um. Another one

601
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: is you'll very frequently see people do this and and

602
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 1: I've done it too, and it's apparently excess acceptable under

603
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: certain circumstances. But when you break your waabashi, your disposable

604
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: cheap chopsticks apart at the end, um, if they're splinters

605
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: or there's like a piece of wood sticking out, you

606
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: can rub them together kind of soften the the wood

607
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: or get the splinters off. But you're not supposed to

608
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 1: do that. It's just like a matter of course, because

609
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: you're basically insulting the restaurant. You're saying, like, these are

610
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: so cheap, these chopsticks that you're providing your gas that

611
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: like I've got to rub them together, and you definitely

612
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 1: don't want to like make eye contact with the owner

613
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: while you're rubbing it together, Like this is what I

614
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: think of your establishment? Um, and people do that all

615
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: the time. I do. It's almost like habitual. It's habitual

616
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: for me. And I started doing it when I first

617
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: started using chopsticks because I saw the person I was

618
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: with did it and I was like, I guess that's

619
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: what you do. You get those little splinters off. And

620
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: now it's a total habit and uh my whole thing there.

621
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: I don't think that one's a really big one, like,

622
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: especially in America, it happened so much. I don't think

623
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: anyone a restaurant owners like super insulted by seeing this. Sure, yeah,

624
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: especially in America, but they are super cheap and they

625
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: do splinter right. Well in that case, yes, like that

626
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 1: that that proprietor has brought it on himself for herself

627
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: for providing everybody with such cheap chopsticks that they're splintery.

628
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,959
Speaker 1: I will always remember this now, I'll tell you that. Yeah,

629
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: And this is so I agree with you. I think

630
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: that this is probably not that big of an insul

631
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: especially in America. It's probably falls in line with like

632
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,280
Speaker 1: how you're not supposed to, um, like put your with sabi,

633
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: put in the soy sauce or something like that. Well,

634
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: if you want to just do it. You know, if

635
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: you want to be remarkably polite, then you wouldn't do

636
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: any of these things. Some are way worse than others,

637
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: and I think that one probably falls into the lesser category,

638
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: even though it's under this advancing. This is why I

639
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 1: was saying this seems Willie Nils Yeah, and that we

640
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: also covered some of this in our sushi episode. Um,

641
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: because if I'm not mistaken, don't you eat sushi with

642
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: your fingers? Or am I wrong? You? Don't you eat

643
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: with your fingers? Or do you not? No? I don't.

644
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: I love showing off how great I am at chopsticks.

645
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: I use them every turn, every coming, can't. Yeah, I

646
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: eat millet gruel with chopsticks. That's how good I am. Yeah.

647
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 1: Or you I've seen you just flip up a shrimp

648
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,959
Speaker 1: and catch it in the other one. What a show off.

649
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: It's pretty great because you have chopsticks. You have four,

650
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: you have two in each hand, yes, basically, and you

651
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: do a little side show there. It's really impressive. Edward

652
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: scissor hands, Josh chopstick finger But no, you're supposed to

653
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: eat sushi. It's specifically nagiri right with your hand that's

654
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 1: how it was originally done, if I remember correctly from

655
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 1: our sushi episode. Yeah, but yeah, we use chopsticks these days.

656
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: Here's another no no is do not use chopstick as

657
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: a rake, Like, don't lift up a bowl of rice

658
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: and just sort of rake rice into your mouth. So

659
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: that's Japan. I saw in China that's perfectly accepted, really normal. Okay, yeah, yeah,

660
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: it gets dicey with it's not the same and everywhere

661
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, here's the thing. I don't know if

662
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: we said this before. So in Thailand they don't use

663
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: chopsticks almost as a rule. Um, in Vietnam, Korea, Japan, China,

664
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,479
Speaker 1: they're they're totally ubiquitous. Almost the only thing you're gonna

665
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: find that you eat with um. And so that means

666
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 1: that like even a bowl of soup like miso soup,

667
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: you're supposed to use your chopsticks for that. Like the

668
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: little chunks of of um of um tofu. It took

669
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: me a second. Um, you use your your chopsticks to

670
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 1: eat those out of the bowl and then you slurp

671
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: the rest or sip the rest depending um. But with rice,

672
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: you would hold the bowl up kind of close to

673
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: your face, but not like up in your face, just

674
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: under under your chin and out a little bit and

675
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: then you, you know, eat the rice with your chopsticks

676
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: from there, lifting the rice up to your mouth, not

677
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: shoveling it into your mouth from the bowl, right, And

678
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: I saw with soups and things. Also is if you

679
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: really want to ramp up the etiquette, you should try

680
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: and drip into the bowl. Oh right, when you like,

681
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: when you are picking up the tofu, you want to

682
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: kind of shot shake the tofu off so it doesn't

683
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,959
Speaker 1: drip on you are on the table. If you really

684
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: want to excel etiquette, you would just not eat anything.

685
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: You just sit there quietly with your chopsticks side by side,

686
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: still in their wrapper, just smiling politely at everyone. It

687
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: didn't break any rules. And I'm really hungry, that's right.

688
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: There's a couple of more here. Don't point with your chopsticks.

689
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: It's tough not to do. Do you point? I don't

690
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: point at people you know or anything like that. Can

691
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: you pass me that thing right there? And you just

692
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: sort of give a little nod, like, hey, that that

693
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 1: pot sticker over there? Yeah, because they're fun to hold

694
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: and point with and like do stuff with I just

695
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 1: I don't know, Maybe I'm still it's still novel enough

696
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: to me that I have to remind myself not to

697
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: to point, or Umi has to remind me not to

698
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,479
Speaker 1: point with the chopsticks. Or when you're talking and you're

699
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: expressing things with your hands and you're using your chopsticks,

700
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 1: or if you want to just do a little Maestro routine, right,

701
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: you know that's looked down upon. Or if you if

702
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 1: you're using your hands for something else, you don't stick

703
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: your chopsticks in your mouth and just hold them in

704
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: there while you're like moving plates around or something like that.

705
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,720
Speaker 1: You set them down. And here's the other thing too.

706
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: If you go to a very nice restaurant in Japan

707
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: um or in the States and it just happens to

708
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: be a Japanese restaurant, how about that really prolonged this thought? Um,

709
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna give you a chopstick rest. Oh, shut your

710
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: chopsticks on so they're kind of lifted off of the

711
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: table the end that you put in your mouth. If

712
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: you don't have that, you can take that paper wrapper

713
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 1: and roll it up and make your own chopstick rest.

714
00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: That's right, because you're setting your chopsticks down on a table.

715
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: M there could be you know, have germs, right, and

716
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: speaking of germs, also, chuck. You never ever use the

717
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: chopsticks that you're eating with to serve yourself from a

718
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 1: communal plate or bowl, that's for sure. They should give

719
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: you like a spoon or something like that to spoon

720
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: it onto your plane, and then you use your chopsticks

721
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:41,479
Speaker 1: because that's just germy and diseasy, and apparently, um, there's

722
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: a a like a supplement to that where if they

723
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 1: don't give you a serving spoon, people flip their chopsticks

724
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: over and use the thicker and shovel the food onto

725
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: the plate, which is not necessarily anymore hygienic because that's

726
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: where your hands have been rather than your mouth. But

727
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 1: that's the more socially acceptable thing to do then just

728
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: using the business end of your chopsticks. Ye, I don't

729
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: know why that's so funny to me. Um. But the

730
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: ends though, I mean, if you're using them right, you're

731
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 1: choked up a little bit, so they're not really being

732
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: touched by your hands, you know, true, Like you don't

733
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: stick the ends in your palm, that's right, that's true.

734
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: You choke up on it like like a baseball bat. Yeah.

735
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: They say in Korea apparently that the the further down

736
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: though you hold the chopsticks, the longer it's going to

737
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: be before you get married. Well yeah, I mean we

738
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: could talk about some of these kind of fun fun facts. Uh,

739
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: let me see here. One is, if you are given

740
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: an uneven pair, you will miss a boat or a plane.

741
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 1: M hm. And this is came from Malaysia. I'm not

742
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: sure if that's ubiquitous all over Asia. I think it's Chinese. Okay,

743
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 1: I think what else here? This is kind of fun. Um,

744
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: if you use chopsticks, it involves over fifty muscles in

745
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: the fingers and thirty joints and the um well overall

746
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: in the fingers, arms, shoulders, and wrists. Yeah, pretty cool

747
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: it is. I mean, how many use for a fork?

748
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: Like to maybe give me a break? Um? I saw

749
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 1: a couple of things. Um. One is that there was

750
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: a study that found that eating popcorn with chopsticks makes

751
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: eating popcorn much more enjoyable than eating it without chopsticks

752
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: with your fingers instead. And they even controlled for the

753
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: amount of extra time it takes to eat popcorn with chopsticks.

754
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: It's not just that you're eating slower, so you're rellishing

755
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: it more. Because they had a control group using their

756
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 1: fingers eat at a very slow pace too, And apparently

757
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 1: they think it's just the fact that you're doing something

758
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: differently makes you appreciate the thing that you're doing or

759
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: that you're eating that much more. Like, um, if you

760
00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: pour water out of like a separate, you know, water bottle,

761
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: like at a restaurant, how they have like the little

762
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: chilled water bottles they'll bring over, that water would taste

763
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: better than water that, um, you just poured out of

764
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: the tap, even if it was the exact same water,

765
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: because it's being conveyed differently. Yeah, And that's also how

766
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: you would get popcorn to last through the opening previews

767
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: of a movie. It's right because you're not just shoveling

768
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: it into your mouth like I do. It's so bizarre, man,

769
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 1: I do the same thing. I've tried to do the

770
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: like a couple of kernels at a time, and you know,

771
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,760
Speaker 1: I do that for the first few and then before

772
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: you know it, I've just got handfuls that I'm I'm

773
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: pushing into my mouth right right, That's how you have

774
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: to do. You have to use the palm in your

775
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: hand to really shove the entire fistful in there. You

776
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,479
Speaker 1: can't just use your little finger tips. It doesn't work.

777
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: You'll choke on them. And I don't know if it's uh, um,

778
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: sort of a subliminal desire for me not to be

779
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 1: distracted during the movie. But the ideal, in the ideal world,

780
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: I would just sit there in munch a couple of

781
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,799
Speaker 1: pieces at a time for two hours, like, just chew

782
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: them a million times. No, no no, no, just eat a

783
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: couple of kernels at a time and just really elongate

784
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 1: the whole experience. Take put those chopsticks in your merse

785
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: and take those to the theater. People would be like,

786
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: look at that guy, Hey, though you have to be

787
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: careful though, yes, they yes, they would. You have to

788
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: be careful though who you brandish those chopsticks around, because

789
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: so you put this together. Kudos for that. Um. One

790
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: of the facts you came up with is that there's

791
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: something called consecutively lay a phobia. Consecutive a phobia, I

792
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: think I said, which is literally a fear of chopsticks. Yeah,

793
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: there's a fear for everything. But but yes, but I

794
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 1: was reading a blog post on it on some maybe

795
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: psychnet I think, and they were saying, like, there's basically

796
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: two categories of phobias, ones that are semi rational. They

797
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: use the example of a fear of sharks. Well, if

798
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: you did run into a shark, there's a chance you

799
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: could be killed by that sharks. So it's not just

800
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: totally bonkers to be afraid of sharks, but the a

801
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: phobia of sharks is in irrational fear, Like maybe if

802
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 1: you live in Kansas, you've got no reason to have

803
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: a fear of sharks. This this one, they said, this

804
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: basically qualifies in in the bonkers category. Like there's virtually

805
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: nothing that chopsticks can do to hurt you, So to

806
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: be irrationally afraid of chopsticks, where you feel like heart

807
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: pounding anxiety is is a genuine died in the wool phobia.

808
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: But some people do apparently experience this, although it's super rare. Yeah,

809
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: that's interesting, But you'll like avoid entire types of restaurants

810
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 1: because you can't be around chopsticks, and you'll get anxious

811
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 1: just thinking about being around chopsticks. That's so sad because

812
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: Asian food makes up a large portion of my diet. Well, luckily,

813
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: for you. You don't have consecutively a phobia. No. I

814
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 1: mean when I think about sushi, I think about fuh,

815
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: I think about ramen. M I think about good old

816
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 1: fashioned Seesuan Chinese food. Oh yeah, think about Korean mhm.

817
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: And that's just the tip of the iceberg. I could

818
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: eat that. I could eat that all the time. Dude,

819
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: you've got to get some booty j I'll take you

820
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: to go get some. All right, you're gonna You're gonna

821
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: love is so good. I can't wait. You got anything else?

822
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 1: I got nothing else? Forty five minutes on chopsticks, baby bad.

823
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: If you want to know more about chopsticks, go get

824
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: yourself some that you can reuse and eat conscientiously with them.

825
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: And don't forget all of the manners. But just go

826
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: eat some Asian food, because no matter where it's farm

827
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: or what it is, it's probably pretty good. Agreed. Since

828
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: I said that, it's time for listener mayo, I'm gonna

829
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: call this too. For two. Hey, guys, I wrote a

830
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: few years ago about Alan Alda. I thought i'd share

831
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: a Sammy Davis Jr. Story. Uh, And this is from

832
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: Andrew Limburgh and Ittsburg And he got his alan Aldawin

833
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: read and when I told him this was coming on,

834
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 1: he wrote back to for two baby nice. Yeah, there's

835
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: people out there who are like, oh for ten, I know,

836
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Speaker 1: so I assume it's not like we're keeping track of

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Speaker 1: people like that. Oh no, I haven't spa Oh you do, men,

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Speaker 1: that's me, uh, he says. So in the eighties, Sammy

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Speaker 1: would had been cleaned out by his ex wife and

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Speaker 1: was selling barbecue sauce. He was in Pittsburgh to promote it,

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Speaker 1: and my friend Larry, who had a local TV show

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Speaker 1: at the time, got a chance to interview him. When

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Speaker 1: they arrived at the hotel, they were told they would

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Speaker 1: get twenty minutes with Sammy, but when they talked to

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Speaker 1: Sammy's manager, he said only ten minutes. So instead of

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Speaker 1: having time to set up a two shot interview and

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Speaker 1: for people that don't know the linko that means both

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Speaker 1: people are in the same camera frame. Uh, they kept

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Speaker 1: the camera on Sammy and Larry would then go back

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Speaker 1: and at his footage later, so he would, I guess,

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Speaker 1: re ask the questions with a ghost Sammy just edit

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Speaker 1: it together. At the end of the interview. They needed one,

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Speaker 1: just one two shot of the two of them together

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Speaker 1: so they could edit it realistically, and Sammy's manager said nope,

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Speaker 1: and Larry looked at Sammy almost begging because they needed

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Speaker 1: the two shot. Sammy took a long drag of a

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Speaker 1: cigarette and said, get your two shot, babe. The manager

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Speaker 1: then said, oh, well, I guess I'm the a hole,

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Speaker 1: to which Sammy said, as a matter of fact, Babe,

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Speaker 1: you are an a hole. So this is how the

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Speaker 1: story goes, apparently. Uh. And Then Andrew says he's been

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Speaker 1: listening since oh eight and went to that live show

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Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh. Please come back, and he says he is

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Speaker 1: a podcast now called the Pittsburgh Oddcast, and he said

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Speaker 1: we average about hundred listen to an episode, which is

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Speaker 1: pretty darn good. Andrew, Yeah, it is nice working for

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Speaker 1: a self styled show that's not bad at all, especially

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Speaker 1: a local one to Pittsburgh Oddcast. Yeah, so, Pittsburgh Ian's

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Speaker 1: if you're from the Burg, check out the Pittsburgh Podcast,

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Speaker 1: and Andrew, or even if you're interested in it, sure, Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: You might live in Philadelphia and just be a burghead exactly. Uh. Well,

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Speaker 1: that was a pretty great one. Thank you very much too.

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Speaker 1: For two that's pretty impressive, Andrew Um. And if you

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Speaker 1: want to get Chuck to do any Sammy Davis Jr. Impressions,

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Speaker 1: right in with your own Sammy Davis Jr. Story and

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Speaker 1: see how it goes. Uh. And you can put that

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Speaker 1: in an email, wrap it up, spank it on the bottom,

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Speaker 1: and send it off to Stuff podcast at iHeart radio

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