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Speaker 1: Jonathan Gray back with us in our National Explore. Archaeologist author,

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Speaker 1: he has traveled the world to gather data on ancient

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Speaker 1: mysteries over the past forty seven plus years. He has

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Speaker 1: penetrated some of the largely unexplored areas, and in the

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Speaker 1: course of these explorations, Jonathan began to uncover evidence of

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Speaker 1: surprising out of place artifacts. And according to what he

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Speaker 1: is taught at school, these were supposed to be impossible.

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Speaker 1: They simply shouldn't and these were not just isolated anomalies.

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Speaker 1: There was a global pattern to them, suggesting a very ancient,

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Speaker 1: worldwide civilization of astonishing proportions. We'll talk with Jonathan about

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Speaker 1: that and so much more. Jonathan, welcome back, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, George. It's a pleasure to be with you.

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Speaker 1: And of course you wrote an incredible book that came

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Speaker 1: out in March of this year called The Ark of

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Speaker 1: the Covenant. I've got to ask you some questions about

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Speaker 1: that too, John. There's been some breaking news about the arc.

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Speaker 1: They're beginning to hone in on that area in Ethiopia

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Speaker 1: that we've all talked about over the years. What's your

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Speaker 1: take on what's going on there. Well, that's one of

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Speaker 1: the focal lambs, George, ha ha, It's one of the

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Speaker 1: decoys to turn people from the reality, which is a

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Speaker 1: threat to certain people. Now do you think the Ark

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Speaker 1: of the Covenant exists? I mean, you wrote extensively about it. Oh. Yes, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, eight people have died as

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Speaker 1: a result of this discovery so far, and the Israeli

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Speaker 1: government actually is scared stiff of what Third World war

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Speaker 1: if certain people in the community grab hold of us.

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Speaker 1: Now it's here, it's in Israel, and there's a huge

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Speaker 1: about that. I mean, whereabouts in Israel is it? Is it,

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Speaker 1: you know, covered somewhere or is it confined? Where might

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Speaker 1: it be? Okay? Now, for eight hundred years, I'll mention

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Speaker 1: its significance, George, because why is it so important? Why

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Speaker 1: For eight hundred years, it was the most sacred object

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Speaker 1: and then it was forgotten. It remained lost for two

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Speaker 1: thousand and five hundred years. I should mention, however, that

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Speaker 1: the Ark of the Covenant is not just a golden box.

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Speaker 1: It's called Ark of the Covenant because it contained on

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Speaker 1: the tables of Stone of the ten Commandments. Now, when

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Speaker 1: we look at laws today, we've got physical laws. Well,

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Speaker 1: But there are also spiritual laws, laws that can keep

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Speaker 1: source of our information to start with. This actually represented

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Speaker 1: something that our creator wanted us to know. First of all,

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Speaker 1: he's made spiritual laws for our good. We've broken those

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Speaker 1: those wars and cut ourselves off from Creator. Now that's

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Speaker 1: the message in the Ark of the Covenant. It was

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Speaker 1: And it was not the Yark itself that caused the death.

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Speaker 1: never at all. John, Back off your phone just a

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Speaker 1: contains still the Ten Commandments, and those Ten Commandments have

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Speaker 1: Now there's also talk that the rod of Erin, one

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Speaker 1: the Ten Commandments. Finally, why do you think, Jonathan, it

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Speaker 1: that was why Jesus Christ was crucified. And from that

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Speaker 1: time onward, the Hebrew people turned against him. But common people,

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Speaker 1: ordinary people could still accept him. But the nation of

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Speaker 1: Israel today does not accept him. And that is part

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Speaker 1: of the problem. That's the religious part of the problem.

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Speaker 1: The political part of the problem is that there are

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Speaker 1: extremists who want to build another temple in Jerusalem, and

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Speaker 1: they to do that, they have to get rid of

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Speaker 1: the Muslim Dome of the Rock, and a world war

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Speaker 1: could come as just over that. Government's nervous. You're absolutely correct,

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Speaker 1: just over that. But the discovery of the Ark of

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Speaker 1: the Covenant, would it not then cooperate almost everything that's

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Speaker 1: in the Bible. Oh yes, I mean that would make

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Speaker 1: you believe Noah's Ark exists up there on Mount are

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Speaker 1: Rot somewhere, that you know the teachings of Jesus are correct,

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Speaker 1: the things he did are correct, rising from the dead

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Speaker 1: that what he did would be correct. It makes the

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Speaker 1: whole Bible, I think, accurate. If something like this is discovered, Absolutely, George,

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