WEBVTT - Short Stuff: The S7VEN Deadly Sins

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh. Jerry's

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<v Speaker 1>here for Dave, and we're talking today about the Seven

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<v Speaker 1>Deadly Zins.

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<v Speaker 2>Seven Deadly Zens.

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<v Speaker 1>Did I say zens?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a wine brand?

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<v Speaker 1>It is? I was thinking it's pretty bold to label

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<v Speaker 1>your wine as deadly.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, good point. Never thought about that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think what they're I think they're able to

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<v Speaker 1>because the Seven Deadly Sins are so widely known, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that people don't normally stop and think it says deadly

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<v Speaker 1>on this wine label because they know that they're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about something else.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a pretty widespread thing if you've seen the movie

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<v Speaker 3>seven obviously very prominent in that it's just a big

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<v Speaker 3>thing in pop culture. It was even a sort of

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<v Speaker 3>interpretation of Gilligan's Island, which I had never really been

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<v Speaker 3>too acquainted with.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you haven't. It's a fan theory.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that apparently Sherwood Schwartz is kind of in some ways,

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<v Speaker 3>but that the Professor is Pride, and of course we're

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<v Speaker 3>also going over the list of the Sins with this list.

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<v Speaker 3>Professor is Pride, the Skipper is Anger or Wrath, Ginger

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<v Speaker 3>obviously lust, mister Howell obviously agreed, missus Howell. Gluttony and

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<v Speaker 3>partially sloth is what this says, Marianna is ENVM. Then

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<v Speaker 3>of course Gilligan is sloth, and he's the one that

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<v Speaker 3>is keeping them trapped on the island through his sloth.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there are some really great fan theories around Gilligan's Island,

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<v Speaker 1>not just that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love that stuff. It's fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I do too. But yeah, that's the Seven Deadly Sins,

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<v Speaker 1>the Skipper and the rest that They haven't always been

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<v Speaker 1>called the Seven Deadly Sins, and as a matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 1>seven is a trimmed down version of the original eight.

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<v Speaker 1>They've been called everything from the capital vices, cardinal sins,

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<v Speaker 1>capital sins, Yeah, vice sins. I think if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to combine everything together, and the Roman Catholics are nut

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<v Speaker 1>for this kind of stuff. And over the centuries, as

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<v Speaker 1>the Church has evolved, the whole things has kind of

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<v Speaker 1>been whittled down or changed. There have been different names.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Pride used to be called Van Gloriousness or

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<v Speaker 1>van glory instead of sloth. They had melancholy like basically,

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<v Speaker 1>don't be sad. But regardless of how totally associated it

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<v Speaker 1>is with Catholicism, and Christianity in general. It actually doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>appear in the Bible.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right, by the way, I think Vanglory it's

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<v Speaker 3>probably already a band name, but that would be a pretty.

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<v Speaker 1>Good band name, metal for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, absolutely, unless it's yeah, oh yeah, or I

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<v Speaker 3>was gonna say, probably like a Nickelback type of thing,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe whatever that is, whatever kind of music that is.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't even know what category that is.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't either, poor Nickelback, but I think they were

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<v Speaker 1>one of like the richest bands on the planet.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, Vanglory coming to a theater near you or a

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<v Speaker 3>concert venue near you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, but you could also call it theater. I'm getting sidetracked.

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<v Speaker 3>Speaking of theaters. Everyone should should go out and get

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<v Speaker 3>tickets for our live tour this year, right, Oh good.

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<v Speaker 1>One, chuck. Yeah, you can get tickets on stuff youshould

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<v Speaker 1>know dot com. All the links are up there. We're

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<v Speaker 1>going to Denver, We're going to Seattle, We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>San Francisco. In April, we're going to Chicago, Madison, Wisconsin, Akron, Ohio,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we're doing a whole tour of every single

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<v Speaker 1>city with a population over five thousand in Canada.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not true. We're sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>We couldn't go everywhere in Canada, but we did our best.

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<v Speaker 3>Some theaters on the East coast didn't work out, but

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<v Speaker 3>we tried everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think we're doing six six cities though, which

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<v Speaker 1>is yeah, it's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>To be fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, can't wait. Yeah, but go grab Tickets's gonna be fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Happy to be back out on the road and back

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<v Speaker 3>to the Seven Deadly Sins. I believe he said, if

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<v Speaker 3>you look in the Bible, you're not going to find them,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's because they're not really in the Bible, the

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<v Speaker 3>original sin when you know, Old Adam and Eve there

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<v Speaker 3>in the Garden of Eden in that book were described

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<v Speaker 3>as disobeying God and establishing the sinful nature of humanity.

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<v Speaker 3>But there's not a list of like the Ten Commandments

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<v Speaker 3>are in there, but the seven Deadly sins are not

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<v Speaker 3>in there. The Seven Deadly Sins came to be because

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<v Speaker 3>of a particular writer who was a monk in three

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<v Speaker 3>forty five CE name Evagrius Ponticus.

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<v Speaker 1>Which means Evan the Pontiac in English. Oh okay, according

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<v Speaker 1>to me, at least that's right.

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<v Speaker 3>But he was the guy that gets credit basically as

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<v Speaker 3>the first person to kind of write these things out

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<v Speaker 3>and get it out en mass.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but he had eight of them, the eight evil thoughts.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a theologian, a monk who really put his

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<v Speaker 1>money where his mouth is. The last several years of

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<v Speaker 1>his life he went out and wandered around the desert

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<v Speaker 1>in Egypt and lived on herbs and barley. Essentially, he prayed,

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<v Speaker 1>he fasted, he meditated, He did his best to not

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<v Speaker 1>think any unholy thoughts. I'll bet that was more difficult

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<v Speaker 1>than you'd think. And he wrote a bunch of this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff down in the Anti Reticus, which is his celebrated

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<v Speaker 1>master work. And this is where the eight evil thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>first appear.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, gluttony, lust, and of course we're not talking

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<v Speaker 3>just sexual lust here. It's kind of leslie desires for

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<v Speaker 3>worldly things. Greed, which was avarice at the time, Anger, sloth, sadness, vainglory,

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<v Speaker 3>and pride are all in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And although we now think of the seven deadly

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<v Speaker 1>sins is applying to everybody, that's not at all what

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<v Speaker 1>Evan was doing at first. He basically was creating this

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<v Speaker 1>list of what to avoid if you're a monk. Essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>that's who would applied to initially.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like, if you really want to walk the walk

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<v Speaker 3>like me, these are the things you need to avoid.

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<v Speaker 3>And I promise I'm not thinking of him. I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>writing about them.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to take a break, Yeah, okay, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>take a break.

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<v Speaker 3>Just like the number of stars the sky was so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Stop all right, chuck. So, Evagrius Pontikiss basically created these

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<v Speaker 1>seven Deadly Sins or eighth Deadly Sins as a roadmap

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<v Speaker 1>for monks. Uh. And then some other people came along

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of centuries later like this is great, Like

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<v Speaker 1>how can we upscale this and really get the most

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<v Speaker 1>out of it in our corporate world? And one of

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<v Speaker 1>the first people to do this was Saint Gregory the Great,

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<v Speaker 1>who later became No. I guess probably first was Pope

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<v Speaker 1>Gregory the First.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh, and he became sainted later.

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<v Speaker 1>It has to be. I don't think anybody's ever been sainted. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't be sainted while you're alive, because you have

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<v Speaker 1>to perform at there's two miracles after your death.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah that's right, boy, you really remember that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew, I do remember some of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, nice work.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So Pope Gregory, the first before he was a pope,

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<v Speaker 3>wrote his master work and it was basically sort of

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<v Speaker 3>a real dissection of the Book of Job called Moraleia

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<v Speaker 3>and Job. And it was a very influential book. And

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<v Speaker 3>this is where his seven principal vices were laid out.

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<v Speaker 3>And we're not going to read all the sort of

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<v Speaker 3>gobbedy book, but it was you know, vanglory, envy, anger, melancholy, avarice, gluttony,

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<v Speaker 3>and lust and then sort of deeper definitions of what

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<v Speaker 3>all those meant back then.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and like all the terrible behaviors that come out

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<v Speaker 1>of it, right, so like like like reveling in your

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<v Speaker 1>neighbor misfortune kind of thing, like like these are what

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<v Speaker 1>you want to avoid, right. And a few centuries after that,

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<v Speaker 1>in the medieval era, other Christian writers that come like

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Aquinas really latched onto this. They're like this is great,

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<v Speaker 1>Like why didn't we think of this stuff earlier? And

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things that kind of became popular to

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<v Speaker 1>get this across as a conception is called the Tree

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<v Speaker 1>of Vices. It's an icon with pride as the root

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<v Speaker 1>of this tree and then the rest of this deadly

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<v Speaker 1>sins kind of coming off as branches, and it became

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<v Speaker 1>very familiar because you would paint this on the wall

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<v Speaker 1>of your church somewhere. The reason you were painting it

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<v Speaker 1>on the wall of the church is because you had

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<v Speaker 1>to confess these particular kind of sins at least once

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<v Speaker 1>a year and then do whatever penance the local priest

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<v Speaker 1>told you to do for them, or if you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>do that, they're deadly because they were deadly for your

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<v Speaker 1>mortal soul, and after that you would after you die,

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<v Speaker 1>you would go to hell. That's why they're called deadly sins.

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<v Speaker 1>Not like they kill you here on earth, they kill

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<v Speaker 1>you spiritually after you die. So to confess those sins, though,

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<v Speaker 1>you had to know what they were, and that's why

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<v Speaker 1>they would paint the tree of vices on the church wall.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that, for some reason struck me as funny. It

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<v Speaker 3>was the fourth Ladder in Council in twelve fourteen, where

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<v Speaker 3>the you know, you got to confess two times a year.

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<v Speaker 3>That's where that came from. And I just love the

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<v Speaker 3>idea of people are like, well, all right, what are

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<v Speaker 3>the sins? And I'll let you know if I did

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<v Speaker 3>any of them.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. That Yeah, you just go up and like

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<v Speaker 1>trace your finger and be like, oh, okay, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess I did that. I did revel in my neighbor's

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<v Speaker 1>mis fresh and that time you stepped into a bear trap.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, I thought that was hilarious.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>The Germans would have a name for that one day.

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<v Speaker 3>So people were pretty obsessed, you know, during the Black

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<v Speaker 3>Death of what happened after you die? That's I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>people were already heaven, hell, what's in a brand new thing?

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<v Speaker 3>But that's when it was like people are dying all

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<v Speaker 3>over the place and like where are we going, Like

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<v Speaker 3>we're really kind of worried about this. So it became

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<v Speaker 3>very ubiquitous talking about sins, talking about life after death.

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<v Speaker 3>Sermons became obsessed with it. It was in the Canterbury

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<v Speaker 3>Tales in the form of the Parsons Tale, and so

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<v Speaker 3>it was just kind of really latched on the Seven

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<v Speaker 3>Deadly Sins in particular as kind of the hot thing

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<v Speaker 3>in Catholicism.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's still around in Catholicism. Apparently in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and eight, the Catholic Church, we're like, hey, we've

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<v Speaker 1>updated some more seven Deadly Sins for the aughts. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess that's probably how they put it. Genetic modification is one, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>carrying out experiments on humans, Okay, polluting the environment all

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<v Speaker 1>behind that, causing social injustice, sure, causing poverty, becoming obscenely wealthy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and then of course taking drugs. Yeah, it didn't seem

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<v Speaker 1>like a deadly sin. Yeah, well you know they were

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<v Speaker 1>on a roll.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are the seven modern deadly sins? Is that how

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<v Speaker 2>they're framing it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what they tell me at the vatkue fantastic. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's about it. Go forth and look out

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<v Speaker 1>for the seven deadly sins. I guess, yeah, don't do those. Yeah,

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