1 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh. Jerry's 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: here for Dave, and we're talking today about the Seven 3 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: Deadly Zins. 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 2: Seven Deadly Zens. 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: Did I say zens? 6 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: That's a wine brand? 7 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: It is? I was thinking it's pretty bold to label 8 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: your wine as deadly. 9 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, good point. Never thought about that. 10 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: But I think what they're I think they're able to 11 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: because the Seven Deadly Sins are so widely known, Yeah, 12 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: that people don't normally stop and think it says deadly 13 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: on this wine label because they know that they're talking 14 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: about something else. 15 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: That's right. 16 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 3: It's a pretty widespread thing if you've seen the movie 17 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 3: seven obviously very prominent in that it's just a big 18 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 3: thing in pop culture. It was even a sort of 19 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 3: interpretation of Gilligan's Island, which I had never really been 20 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 3: too acquainted with. 21 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: Oh you haven't. It's a fan theory. 22 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, that apparently Sherwood Schwartz is kind of in some ways, 23 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 3: but that the Professor is Pride, and of course we're 24 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 3: also going over the list of the Sins with this list. 25 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 3: Professor is Pride, the Skipper is Anger or Wrath, Ginger 26 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 3: obviously lust, mister Howell obviously agreed, missus Howell. Gluttony and 27 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: partially sloth is what this says, Marianna is ENVM. Then 28 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 3: of course Gilligan is sloth, and he's the one that 29 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 3: is keeping them trapped on the island through his sloth. 30 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, there are some really great fan theories around Gilligan's Island, 31 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: not just that one. 32 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that stuff. It's fun. 33 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: I do too. But yeah, that's the Seven Deadly Sins, 34 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: the Skipper and the rest that They haven't always been 35 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: called the Seven Deadly Sins, and as a matter of fact, 36 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: seven is a trimmed down version of the original eight. 37 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: They've been called everything from the capital vices, cardinal sins, 38 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: capital sins, Yeah, vice sins. I think if you want 39 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: to combine everything together, and the Roman Catholics are nut 40 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: for this kind of stuff. And over the centuries, as 41 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: the Church has evolved, the whole things has kind of 42 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: been whittled down or changed. There have been different names. 43 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: I think Pride used to be called Van Gloriousness or 44 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: van glory instead of sloth. They had melancholy like basically, 45 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: don't be sad. But regardless of how totally associated it 46 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: is with Catholicism, and Christianity in general. It actually doesn't 47 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: appear in the Bible. 48 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, by the way, I think Vanglory it's 49 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 3: probably already a band name, but that would be a pretty. 50 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: Good band name, metal for sure. 51 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely, unless it's yeah, oh yeah, or I 52 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 3: was gonna say, probably like a Nickelback type of thing, 53 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 3: maybe whatever that is, whatever kind of music that is. 54 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 3: I don't even know what category that is. 55 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: I don't either, poor Nickelback, but I think they were 56 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: one of like the richest bands on the planet. 57 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure. 58 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 3: Anyway, Vanglory coming to a theater near you or a 59 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 3: concert venue near you. 60 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 2: Okay, but you could also call it theater. I'm getting sidetracked. 61 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 3: Speaking of theaters. Everyone should should go out and get 62 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 3: tickets for our live tour this year, right, Oh good. 63 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: One, chuck. Yeah, you can get tickets on stuff youshould 64 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: know dot com. All the links are up there. We're 65 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: going to Denver, We're going to Seattle, We're going to 66 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: San Francisco. In April, we're going to Chicago, Madison, Wisconsin, Akron, Ohio, 67 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: and then we're doing a whole tour of every single 68 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: city with a population over five thousand in Canada. 69 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 2: That's not true. We're sorry. 70 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 3: We couldn't go everywhere in Canada, but we did our best. 71 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 3: Some theaters on the East coast didn't work out, but 72 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 3: we tried everybody. 73 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we're doing six six cities though, which 74 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 1: is yeah, it's pretty good. 75 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: To be fun. 76 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, can't wait. Yeah, but go grab Tickets's gonna be fun. 77 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 3: Happy to be back out on the road and back 78 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 3: to the Seven Deadly Sins. I believe he said, if 79 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 3: you look in the Bible, you're not going to find them, 80 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 3: and that's because they're not really in the Bible, the 81 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:02,440 Speaker 3: original sin when you know, Old Adam and Eve there 82 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 3: in the Garden of Eden in that book were described 83 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 3: as disobeying God and establishing the sinful nature of humanity. 84 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 3: But there's not a list of like the Ten Commandments 85 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 3: are in there, but the seven Deadly sins are not 86 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 3: in there. The Seven Deadly Sins came to be because 87 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 3: of a particular writer who was a monk in three 88 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 3: forty five CE name Evagrius Ponticus. 89 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: Which means Evan the Pontiac in English. Oh okay, according 90 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: to me, at least that's right. 91 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 3: But he was the guy that gets credit basically as 92 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 3: the first person to kind of write these things out 93 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 3: and get it out en mass. 94 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, but he had eight of them, the eight evil thoughts. 95 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 3: Right. 96 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: He was a theologian, a monk who really put his 97 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: money where his mouth is. The last several years of 98 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,679 Speaker 1: his life he went out and wandered around the desert 99 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: in Egypt and lived on herbs and barley. Essentially, he prayed, 100 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 1: he fasted, he meditated, He did his best to not 101 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: think any unholy thoughts. I'll bet that was more difficult 102 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: than you'd think. And he wrote a bunch of this 103 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: stuff down in the Anti Reticus, which is his celebrated 104 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: master work. And this is where the eight evil thoughts 105 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: first appear. 106 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 3: That's right, gluttony, lust, and of course we're not talking 107 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 3: just sexual lust here. It's kind of leslie desires for 108 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 3: worldly things. Greed, which was avarice at the time, Anger, sloth, sadness, vainglory, 109 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 3: and pride are all in there. 110 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. And although we now think of the seven deadly 111 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: sins is applying to everybody, that's not at all what 112 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: Evan was doing at first. He basically was creating this 113 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: list of what to avoid if you're a monk. Essentially, 114 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: that's who would applied to initially. 115 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, like, if you really want to walk the walk 116 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 3: like me, these are the things you need to avoid. 117 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 3: And I promise I'm not thinking of him. I'm just 118 00:05:58,160 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 3: writing about them. 119 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,679 Speaker 1: You want to take a break, Yeah, okay, we're gonna 120 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: take a break. 121 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 3: Just like the number of stars the sky was so much. 122 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: Stop all right, chuck. So, Evagrius Pontikiss basically created these 123 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: seven Deadly Sins or eighth Deadly Sins as a roadmap 124 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: for monks. Uh. And then some other people came along 125 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: a couple of centuries later like this is great, Like 126 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: how can we upscale this and really get the most 127 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: out of it in our corporate world? And one of 128 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: the first people to do this was Saint Gregory the Great, 129 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: who later became No. I guess probably first was Pope 130 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 1: Gregory the First. 131 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, and he became sainted later. 132 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: It has to be. I don't think anybody's ever been sainted. Yeah, 133 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: you can't be sainted while you're alive, because you have 134 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: to perform at there's two miracles after your death. 135 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 2: Yeah that's right, boy, you really remember that stuff. 136 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: I knew, I do remember some of it. 137 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, nice work. 138 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. 139 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 3: So Pope Gregory, the first before he was a pope, 140 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 3: wrote his master work and it was basically sort of 141 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 3: a real dissection of the Book of Job called Moraleia 142 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 3: and Job. And it was a very influential book. And 143 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 3: this is where his seven principal vices were laid out. 144 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 3: And we're not going to read all the sort of 145 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 3: gobbedy book, but it was you know, vanglory, envy, anger, melancholy, avarice, gluttony, 146 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 3: and lust and then sort of deeper definitions of what 147 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 3: all those meant back then. 148 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and like all the terrible behaviors that come out 149 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: of it, right, so like like like reveling in your 150 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: neighbor misfortune kind of thing, like like these are what 151 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: you want to avoid, right. And a few centuries after that, 152 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: in the medieval era, other Christian writers that come like 153 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: Thomas Aquinas really latched onto this. They're like this is great, 154 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: Like why didn't we think of this stuff earlier? And 155 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: one of the things that kind of became popular to 156 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: get this across as a conception is called the Tree 157 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: of Vices. It's an icon with pride as the root 158 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: of this tree and then the rest of this deadly 159 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: sins kind of coming off as branches, and it became 160 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: very familiar because you would paint this on the wall 161 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: of your church somewhere. The reason you were painting it 162 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: on the wall of the church is because you had 163 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: to confess these particular kind of sins at least once 164 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: a year and then do whatever penance the local priest 165 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: told you to do for them, or if you didn't 166 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: do that, they're deadly because they were deadly for your 167 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: mortal soul, and after that you would after you die, 168 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 1: you would go to hell. That's why they're called deadly sins. 169 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: Not like they kill you here on earth, they kill 170 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: you spiritually after you die. So to confess those sins, though, 171 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: you had to know what they were, and that's why 172 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: they would paint the tree of vices on the church wall. 173 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, that, for some reason struck me as funny. It 174 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 3: was the fourth Ladder in Council in twelve fourteen, where 175 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 3: the you know, you got to confess two times a year. 176 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 3: That's where that came from. And I just love the 177 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 3: idea of people are like, well, all right, what are 178 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 3: the sins? And I'll let you know if I did 179 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 3: any of them. 180 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: That's right. That Yeah, you just go up and like 181 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: trace your finger and be like, oh, okay, yeah, I 182 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: guess I did that. I did revel in my neighbor's 183 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 1: mis fresh and that time you stepped into a bear trap. 184 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,439 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I thought that was hilarious. 185 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 2: That's right. 186 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 3: The Germans would have a name for that one day. 187 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 3: So people were pretty obsessed, you know, during the Black 188 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 3: Death of what happened after you die? That's I mean, 189 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 3: people were already heaven, hell, what's in a brand new thing? 190 00:09:57,960 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 3: But that's when it was like people are dying all 191 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 3: over the place and like where are we going, Like 192 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,959 Speaker 3: we're really kind of worried about this. So it became 193 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 3: very ubiquitous talking about sins, talking about life after death. 194 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 3: Sermons became obsessed with it. It was in the Canterbury 195 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 3: Tales in the form of the Parsons Tale, and so 196 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 3: it was just kind of really latched on the Seven 197 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 3: Deadly Sins in particular as kind of the hot thing 198 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 3: in Catholicism. 199 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's still around in Catholicism. Apparently in two 200 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: thousand and eight, the Catholic Church, we're like, hey, we've 201 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: updated some more seven Deadly Sins for the aughts. I 202 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: guess that's probably how they put it. Genetic modification is one, Yeah, 203 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: carrying out experiments on humans, Okay, polluting the environment all 204 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: behind that, causing social injustice, sure, causing poverty, becoming obscenely wealthy. Yeah, 205 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 1: and then of course taking drugs. Yeah, it didn't seem 206 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: like a deadly sin. Yeah, well you know they were 207 00:10:59,040 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: on a roll. 208 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: Those are the seven modern deadly sins? Is that how 209 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 2: they're framing it. 210 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 1: That's what they tell me at the vatkue fantastic. Well, 211 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,719 Speaker 1: I guess that's about it. Go forth and look out 212 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 1: for the seven deadly sins. I guess, yeah, don't do those. 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