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Speaker 3: Welcome back to All the smoke La Run Jack. We've

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Speaker 3: been on a nice little role man from New York

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Speaker 3: to our first interview with Cheaching Chung and now we

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Speaker 3: get to sit down with someone I've been chasing for

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Speaker 3: a minute, man, and just not chasing. But what's the word,

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Speaker 3: Give me a better word, Rich.

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Speaker 4: We've been trying to schedule.

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Speaker 3: I've been going to didn't even let me finish, make

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Speaker 3: me chase it with the wrong work, I say. We

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Speaker 3: night at the Laker Clipper game.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, chopped it.

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Speaker 1: Up a little bit.

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Speaker 3: It was good to catch up. But man, welcome to

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Speaker 3: the show, Rich Paula, thank you for your time. Let's

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Speaker 3: get right to it, man Clutch. For those who don't know,

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Speaker 4: Wow. I mean, you know, obviously I've been around with

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Speaker 4: where they came from, whether you came from a probably

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Speaker 4: just felt like I had what most agents definitely don't have,

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Speaker 4: you know, in terms of all of that in one

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Speaker 4: and it would never be based on a business card

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Speaker 4: And what I wanted Clutch to represent was something that

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Speaker 4: When you guys were in the league, you had very

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Speaker 4: I just wanted to make it. You came from a

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Speaker 4: understood both. And I'm in those rooms. I'm with you

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Speaker 4: We at the club, we had dinners, and all of

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Speaker 4: My focus has not so much shifted off of just

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Speaker 2: Several you feel like the upbringing and the upgreeing that

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Speaker 4: In addition to I was never I was never overly

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Speaker 4: I'm happy to be in the room. Yeah, I always

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Speaker 4: That's different and that's a different dynamic.

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Speaker 4: You know, the table didn't matter to me, right and so,

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Speaker 3: For sure, not to throw around numbers, but I also

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Speaker 3: because I want to make another point. The contract negotiations

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Speaker 1: Bro? Congratulations?

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Speaker 3: So my question was, what kind of how have the

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Speaker 3: it real, your kid off the streets, Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 3: you didn't take the typical route.

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Speaker 1: You did it your.

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Speaker 3: Way, and you want your winning your way. You haven't won.

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Speaker 3: You continue to growing that spot, Bob. So what is

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Speaker 3: it like dealing with some of these good old boy

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Speaker 4: Honestly, it's a lot different. Like I'm you know, I'm

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Speaker 4: What Phil Jackson said, right, and so I never I

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Speaker 4: never exuded that. My confidence never exuded that when you

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Speaker 4: Get what I'm saying, and I try to explain to

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Speaker 4: The one thing I'm proud about with our success and

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Speaker 4: my success is individually, is the people before me is

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Speaker 4: now getting they just do you know, the agents before me,

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Speaker 4: They didn't position themselves. They couldn't position themselves the way

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Speaker 4: We're all fathers here. Kids would make you grow up.

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Speaker 3: I haven't got a chance to read this yet, but

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Speaker 3: A few questions. Was it therapeutic and what was the

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Speaker 4: You know, first of all, that book is about you,

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Speaker 4: It's about Stack, it's about myself, it's about a lot

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Speaker 4: any of that per se. So I never really had

437
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 4: a childhood that most kids have, which caused me to

438
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 4: kind of grow up fast. But my community raised me

439
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 4: as well, and so I was thankful for that, and

440
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 4: I was lucky to have that. But then the not

441
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 4: so lucky part is it's all the other things that

442
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 4: come with it, right, and just a child without a

443
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 4: mom that just don't sit well with me, right. And

444
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 4: I used to be sitting there and I couldn't you know,

445
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,439
Speaker 4: it's bad weather or and you don't know where your

446
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 4: that's just the thing. You don't know where your mom

447
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 4: is and things of that nature. That's a really tough

448
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 4: thing on the brain of a child whose brain isn't

449
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,359
Speaker 4: even that developed yet, and so all that's in the book.

450
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 4: It's a lot different than what you may think. And

451
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:56,400
Speaker 4: the response has been incredible from man, I mean everybody,

452
00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 4: from high level executives of all business sectors to you know,

453
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 4: just I can't tell you how many how many times

454
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 4: I'm in the airport or something like that and people

455
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 4: come up to me, no matter what race or gender,

456
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 4: age and just talk about the book, talk about the

457
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 4: sixty minutes piece and things like that, and so it's

458
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 4: been great. It's been great. I'm glad I wrote it,

459
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 4: and I think when you guys get a chance to

460
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 4: read it, you're definitely gonna call me.

461
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: I was thinking that Lucky to me was a play on,

462
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 2: like everybody think you hear only because of Lebron, like

463
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 2: lucky me.

464
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm here because of Lebron. I'm lucky because I'm

465
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 1: not lucky. I earned this shit.

466
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 2: So I thought it was a player on, like y'all

467
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 2: saying I'm lucky because I'm next to Lebron. But really,

468
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 2: I've got a lot to do with this. I've been

469
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 2: playing this for my life since a youngster. Yeah, I mean,

470
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 2: you're not wrong about that.

471
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 4: There's just they're just they's a small aspect. You know,

472
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 4: I'm a pretty sarcastic person.

473
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 1: I want to be.

474
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 4: There's a small duose that I think. It's more so

475
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 4: just I think people would quate luck with money, people

476
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 4: would quate luck with success and things like that, and

477
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 4: so they're quick to say you lucky and versus really

478
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 4: just you know, having a conversation or just giving you

479
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 4: your flowers and saying, man, you know what, it's so hard,

480
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 4: it's crazy to do that. And even in our industry now,

481
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 4: it's hard for people to to just say those things.

482
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 4: And I say to them all the time, like there's

483
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 4: a reason why we remain a minority. There's just a

484
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 4: reason when you think about your approach just in the

485
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 4: game of basketball, and you think about your approach in life,

486
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 4: and you think about you know, I hear everything. I

487
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 4: see a lot. I hear a lot, and we haven't

488
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 4: learned a lot, right. And when you look at NBA

489
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 4: teams today, what in nineteen ninety eight, I think the

490
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 4: Bulls was value that two hundred and fifty million. If

491
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 4: you look at teams today, they're north for four or

492
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:08,239
Speaker 4: five billion, dollars. You know, when you look at how

493
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 4: the business has grown, look at you know, all the

494
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 4: things you guys had to do and fight people had

495
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 4: to fight before y'all, just the rules changing and all

496
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 4: those things. And now when you look at players today,

497
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 4: they're getting nine figures, right, and you're looking at it

498
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 4: and you're saying, man, it's no telling what your career

499
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 4: earnings would have been had you had that opportunity. I

500
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 4: just feel like there's an importance for the guys today

501
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 4: to understand that that journey, respect that journey, and then

502
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 4: kind of make it easier on those coming. You know,

503
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 4: my trailblaze is not really about me. The rich Paul Rue,

504
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 4: me stepping up about that wasn't really about me.

505
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: What do I need to.

506
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,480
Speaker 4: Why do I need to have a conversation about that?

507
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,760
Speaker 4: I'm already in position, but I knew what it was

508
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 4: about those coming behind. I mean, you know that we

509
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 4: always thought you had to have a law degree to

510
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 4: be to be an agent. To come to find out

511
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,239
Speaker 4: you really don't, right, And the teams show us all

512
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 4: the time the importance of infrastructure. That's why they have

513
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,719
Speaker 4: a front office, right the GM. He has a cap guy.

514
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 4: I can pick up the phone, but they placed it

515
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 4: upon us as if we need to know everything right,

516
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 4: and it's just a form of discouragement. So I just think,

517
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 4: you know, my mindset today is obviously is different than

518
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 4: what it was yesterday and definitely ten twelve years ago.

519
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 4: But I'm for all of us despite it. Don't matter

520
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 4: what jersey you have or I don't even care about

521
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 4: that type of stuff, or even if I represent you

522
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 4: or not. It's just about doing things the right way

523
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 4: most of the time that you can right. And I

524
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 4: think ultimately, the way I look at it is it

525
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 4: helps when you start to reach back. Right, when you

526
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 4: when you create good habits and you build this foundation

527
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 4: and you educate yourself and things like that, you start

528
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 4: to make better decisions in all aspects of your life. Well,

529
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 4: that trickles down, right, and then that's how we become

530
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 4: a community. And then now your daughter is dating my

531
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 4: son and they've had these life experiences and then they

532
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 4: you know, and that's how it's supposed to go. But

533
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 4: we'll never get there if we continue to look at

534
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 4: all these mirrors in our house and were only looking

535
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 4: at the beautification. There's no accountability coming through that reflection.

536
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 4: And I don't care if your mirror is broke's, look

537
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 4: in it. If that's the one that's giving off the

538
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 4: reflection of accountability, then look in the broken. I'm fine

539
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 4: with that at least once a week. But we don't

540
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 4: do that to our guys. We don't do that to

541
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 4: our athletes. And you know, a lot of times, being

542
00:29:55,560 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 4: an agent is the industry to me was.

543
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 1: You know, like.

544
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 4: High level ego strokers. You know, for many years and

545
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 4: a lot of guys came away from a career with nothing.

546
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 4: I got no money or very little money. I have

547
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 4: no education, I have no positioning. Right, I can't go

548
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 4: back and work for somebody because along the way I

549
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,479
Speaker 4: did certain things and now I have this perception on me, right,

550
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,719
Speaker 4: And all the while the business is growing. Toront Lou

551
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 4: today has made way more money as a coach than

552
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 4: he ever made as a player. It's not even close.

553
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 4: You get what I'm saying. Had we been able to

554
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 4: know that, there have been a lot more guys positioning

555
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 4: themselves to be coaches, right, it just makes sense. And

556
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 4: I think that you know, we're just not totally making

557
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 4: sense of it all because we get so called up

558
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:02,080
Speaker 4: into the other ship and what somebody else is doing. Right,

559
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 4: this idea of it's about me. And even if you

560
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 4: look at this shoe business today like it's totally changed, right,

561
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 4: you look at every industry. When we were coming up,

562
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 4: there was signature shoe guys. You can identify them. You

563
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 4: can't identify them today, one or two guys probably, but

564
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 4: they'll still sell you the importance of a signature shoe.

565
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 4: But that's to feed the ego. Because unless you can

566
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 4: build a business from a signature point of view, then

567
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 4: why would I put my effort in that when ninety

568
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 4: percent of people walking around today's focused on what comfort?

569
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 4: That's just a fact, so you know, and there's a

570
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 4: whole nother element to it. Now there's entertainers that's aligned

571
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 4: with shoe brands that would never happen, you know when

572
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 4: we were coming up. It's just that it's just different,

573
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 4: and so we have to think different too. If and

574
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 4: the person that's advising you can't just be the guy

575
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 4: that gave you a market in advance and waiting on

576
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 4: the next contract. That don't make sense to me, but

577
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 4: that's what we continue to value because whatever. But you know,

578
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 4: and it's part of the game. I get it, it's

579
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 4: part of business. But you can't have it both ways.

580
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 4: You can't want to limit something and then want it all.

581
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 4: Like those two things don't work. And most guys going

582
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 4: to make most of the money playing the game of basketball.

583
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 4: And why would you want to do anything If I

584
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 4: told you you could make six hundred million dollars playing

585
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 4: the game of basketball, why would you want to do

586
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 4: anything else? Right, don't bring me a deal. I don't care.

587
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 4: But man, listen, I'm locked in. I'm focused. But that's

588
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 4: easier said and said and done.

589
00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 3: Speaking of shoe brands, a businessman got his own shoe.

590
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 3: Oh me, I forgot new balance. Yeah, I mean again,

591
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 3: you know, rappers like you said that the doors have

592
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 3: opened athletes, but a businessman to have his own shoe.

593
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that says a lot. But what

594
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 3: does it mean to you?

595
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: Oh?

596
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 4: It meant a whole hell of a lot. You know,

597
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 4: growing up as a kid, you think about that, and

598
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 4: we just talked about it. But you know, for me,

599
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 4: that was more so understanding the landscape. Understanding that Okay,

600
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 4: if signature basketball shoes aren't selling and that's not the

601
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 4: way today, then and artist can have a shoe. Then

602
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 4: why couldn't the CEO have a shoe. It's the way

603
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 4: I thought, because there's a market for that. In addition

604
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 4: to everyone strives to be a CEO of their own

605
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 4: in some shape, form or fashion, and so I was

606
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 4: mostly just focused there number one. But the shoe I

607
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 4: actually made for my shoe was a basketball shoot, the

608
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 4: five to fifty. It's actually a low cut basketball shoe.

609
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 4: James Worthy wore the six fifty when he played and

610
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 4: was with New Balance, right, And so the idea behind

611
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,919
Speaker 4: the first one was just this idea of dreaming big

612
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 4: and not being able to be discouraged about anything. And

613
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 4: then the second one was forever Yours, and I was

614
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 4: talking to the game and whatever game you want to

615
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 4: talk to, right, because the game is the game. And

616
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 4: I built the creative around that forever Yours idea of it.

617
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 4: And you know, I reached out to Brent Faes and

618
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 4: he did the record for me, and my son was

619
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 4: in both of the commercials. But that that creation was

620
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 4: kind of inspired by myself and also a young lady

621
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 4: in my office named Micah, and then also the team

622
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 4: that we work with New Balance, So collectively we came

623
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 4: up with that creative, and I had the idea of

624
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 4: the letter being on the basketball and then kind of

625
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,320
Speaker 4: meeting up at the end and things like that, and

626
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 4: so you know, I've always had that creative I mean,

627
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 4: people don't really know I've I've been a part a

628
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 4: lot of the commercials and things like that from just

629
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 4: the idea perspective behind the scenes, which was fine by me.

630
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 4: But yeah, no, that was that was something that was

631
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 4: that was big. And you know, I don't really celebrate

632
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 4: a lot of things externally, but the way I look

633
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 4: at it is, you know, just continuing to challenge myself

634
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 4: and knock down down barriers per se, but for other people. Right,

635
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 4: So you look at my relationship with New Balance has

636
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 4: cultivated into Tyrese, Maxi, Zach Levine, the John T. Murray

637
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 4: started with Darius Baisley and the and the Men now internship,

638
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 4: now Darius Garland is there. You get what I'm saying,

639
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 4: Chase Young and Will Anderson from a Clutch Athletics perspective, uh,

640
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 4: and then having and built a whole nother brand within

641
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,800
Speaker 4: the realm of that, and having Clutch Athletics where I

642
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 4: can I'm signing people from n I L and signing

643
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 4: professional athletes things like that, and so just not limiting

644
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 4: myself because again, being an agent is something I love

645
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 4: to do and I want to wear that hat as

646
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 4: long as I can for my guys. I have no

647
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 4: interest in owning the team and things like that. That's

648
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 4: not what I'm looking to do. First of all, I

649
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 4: don't have enough money to own the team and on cap,

650
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 4: so that ain't That's not where I'm looking. But you know,

651
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 4: again opening the door and leaving it open right and

652
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 4: still having my relationships at brands like Nike and my

653
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 4: name's on the building at Nike, and being able to

654
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 4: manage that aspect of it and just do business at

655
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 4: a high level. I can walk at you bubble gum.

656
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 4: So things don't you know, that don't matter to me.

657
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 4: But business is business, right, And so I try to

658
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 4: teach my guys to, you know, just to understand that

659
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,399
Speaker 4: and not be so much into you that you missed

660
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 4: the education. You know, it's very important to continue to

661
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 4: get the sap from the tree, and any one of

662
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 4: y'all know y'all have to put Richard to a side

663
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 4: and be like yo, rich you bugging man, or like

664
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 4: I'm like okay, ma, you're right, Jackie, right, and we

665
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 4: move on. But that's just a mutual respect amongst men.

666
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 4: It has nothing to do with stature or finance or

667
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 4: anything like that. And I think that's it's important for

668
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 4: us to get back there because that keeps you on

669
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 4: the straight and narrow.

670
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:19,479
Speaker 1: A lot of times.

671
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 2: I hope Bro interrupt man, but I hope Bro, you're

672
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 2: taking time when you at home to break your arm

673
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 2: and patch yourself on the back because you know, I

674
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: know where you come from.

675
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: Any things you're doing, it's special, Bro.

676
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 2: It's specially for our culture to see that, because I

677
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 2: know it's times where you probably with Braun and there's

678
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: people that's probably saying, Hey, Broun, but I want.

679
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: To be rich, Paul. You know what I'm saying. That's

680
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.

681
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: So just that alone, Bro, I salute you on that,

682
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 2: because now we got kids saying I want to be

683
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 2: an agent. I want to be rich, Paul, I can

684
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 2: be rich, part I can be this, and you making

685
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: them see that that can happen.

686
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 3: Well, you're more likely to cut you off to attain

687
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 3: what he's done.

688
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 4: Then you know exactly, you know what you brought that

689
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 4: point up, right? I struggled with the with the Sports

690
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 4: Illustrated cover because you know, there was always this conditioning, like,

691
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 4: you know, when you're representing guys, you gotta be careful,

692
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 4: you gotta tiptoe. And you know other agents used that

693
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 4: against me. He got his own shoe, like what Donna

694
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 4: think about you? And he doing this and all these

695
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 4: different things. But my guys they don't think like that.

696
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 4: That's how I know you care about Yeah, my clients

697
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 4: they don't think like that. That's how I know they

698
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 4: the right guys for me. I can't focus on something else.

699
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 4: But to your point with the Sports Illustrated cover, I

700
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 4: really struggle, right, And I was sitting there, and I

701
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 4: was sitting there, and you know what made me really

702
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 4: embrace it the way I did was being an example, right,

703
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 4: exactly what you said, both of you.

704
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: You can.

705
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 4: It's so hard to be one of y'all make it

706
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 4: to the NBA win championships. Man, that ship is damn

707
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 4: near impossible, right, And I know y'all make it look easy.

708
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 4: Guys make it look easy, but it's not easy. It's

709
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 4: a very very small number of guys that actually get drafted,

710
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 4: actually make it past year two, actually make it you know,

711
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 4: get a second big contract, actually go to the playoffs,

712
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 4: actually go to play in a championship game, actually win.

713
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 4: It's a very small group of people, but I was

714
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 4: saying to myself, you can't have it both ways. Rich

715
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 4: I had to hold myself accountable. You can't have it

716
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 4: both ways. You can't sit here and try to be

717
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,919
Speaker 4: behind the scenes and be discreet and at the same

718
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 4: time want for others to be better educated and have

719
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 4: the confidence and have perspective and things like that. When

720
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 4: you're sitting here with an opportunity to be a great

721
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 4: example for them and you're choosing not to that Really,

722
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 4: that's what was the game changer for me, and it

723
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 4: caused me. You know, I had Instagram for five years

724
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 4: when posts that ain't my thing. I never wanted my

725
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 4: picture snap. That's not my thing. But I had to

726
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 4: embrace it.

727
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: You know.

728
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 4: My daughter was like, Dad, we don't read review Most

729
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 4: people don't read their view they see Yeah. So you

730
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 4: know it helped me, and it allowed me to embrace

731
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 4: the Sports Illustrated because that's a big thing, like, you know,

732
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 4: being on the cover and I remember looking at the

733
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 4: Sports Illustrated all the time. So when I got that call.

734
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 4: I was like, you know, but you condition to just

735
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 4: when you read this book, it's gonna help you understand.

736
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 4: I never really focus on the winds because of that

737
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 4: time where somebody told you I'm on my way and

738
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 4: it never came, you know, or that time you know

739
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 4: you embracing You're bracing yourself for the let down so

740
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 4: much that you just continue to push forward. And that's

741
00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 4: the trauma. Even at the level I've got to today,

742
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 4: that's still the trauma that sits within you. Now what

743
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 4: it's done for me, which just gave me this unbelievable

744
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 4: drive to not sit into my my success placing. So

745
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 4: I've turned into a positive. But think about that, like

746
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 4: you know, most people be jumping for Joe. I haven't

747
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 4: popped a bottle of wine or champagne or anything like that,

748
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 4: just because it's just that there's a chapter in the

749
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 4: book and where I talk about bearing down, and you're

750
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 4: gonna like this, Jack, because I'm talking about my point

751
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 4: is four on the dice, and you know you got

752
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 4: to bear down. A guy got the last fifty dollars

753
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 4: left and you didn't you didn't want the money. But

754
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 4: you know, it's just like in the basketball game. You

755
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 4: can be up twenty and trick a layup off or

756
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 4: something like that, and then the team going to run.

757
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 4: It's the same thing. Then it's exactly you know what

758
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 4: I'm saying, So that that thing is within me that

759
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 4: I just think, like, I don't know if it's another

760
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 4: person in our industry that's had those experiences to position it,

761
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 4: to position things that way, and you know, I just

762
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 4: try to. I know I can't people within the company

763
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 4: is not going to be that, but I try to

764
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 4: make sure that the foundation of the company and its culture,

765
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 4: you know, continues to have that because it's hard when

766
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 4: you scale, like we have ninety plus staff members now

767
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 4: and over two hundred clients. You know, we started with

768
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 4: four clients and two people, you know, and so that's

769
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 4: extremely hard to maintain that. And we've been able to

770
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 4: maintain it. But you know, everybody's not gonna have the

771
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 4: same care, and you know, it's just you know, your

772
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 4: mom always said, you want something done like huge yourself,

773
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 4: but you have to you know, trust people and mold people.

774
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 4: And we've been able to done to do that. Fair

775
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 4: who was my partner who I started with. You know,

776
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 4: we've been able to do that Georgia here, she was

777
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 4: the ninth. She was a ninth employee. Think about and

778
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 4: now we look now, we'd be on zooms and we'd

779
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 4: be like, what the hell?

780
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: You know?

781
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 4: So that is a proud thing. And being able to

782
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 4: give young people opportunity is the is the real give

783
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 4: back for me, that's the real you know, passing out

784
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 4: turkeys and things like that is great, don't get me wrong.

785
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 4: But being able to give people opportunity and then allowing

786
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 4: them to grow within is the ultimate for a movie.

787
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 3: Yes, Draymond Green. Yeah, a brother of yours first and foremost,

788
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 3: but also a client. The same thing that makes him

789
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 3: great hurt him at times through this time. He's been

790
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 3: going through it the last year and a half, two years.

791
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 3: No secret, what type if you don't have to tell us, well,

792
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 3: but what kind of back and forth you guys just

793
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 3: to have about the bigger picture because you always see

794
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 3: the bigger picture.

795
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 4: Man, Draymond, I talk. That's one person. We talk every day,

796
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 4: and our our face times and calls is real. Some

797
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 4: day some days were talking not even about basketball. And

798
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 4: you know, I only know one way and that's black

799
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 4: and white. It's no gray with me because my Dad

800
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 4: didn't give Gray. So when we have that conversation, we

801
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 4: have in the real conversations, and you know, I hold

802
00:44:13,160 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 4: him accountable on things, but he also holds himself accountable.

803
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 4: And you know, when you're in the heat a moment,

804
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,479
Speaker 4: sometimes things get away from me. You know what I'm saying.

805
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 4: But I know who he is as a person. I

806
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 4: know where it's heart, lives and things like that. I

807
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 4: know who he is as a teammate.

808
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: Every team want that, every team need that.

809
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 2: A lot of teams that's looking down on that they

810
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: wish they had that because y'all wouldn't suck so much

811
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 2: if y'all had somebody that cared like that.

812
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:39,720
Speaker 1: The people don't understand.

813
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 2: I ain't mean to cut you off, bro, but I

814
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: we can relate because that's passion, that's caring about the game. Yeah,

815
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 2: we make mistakes. Yeah, I want somebody to have my

816
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 2: back regardless what's going on. Because I've been that person

817
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 2: on the biggest scale eve in the game, so I

818
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 2: understand it.

819
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: I hate when people take it the wrong way.

820
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: I love his passion and just like Greg Popa say,

821
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: you're not w in the championship without a guy like

822
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 2: dramrk gain without a guy like Ron just not happening.

823
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I think I think you're spot on with that.

824
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 4: I also, you know, but we also talk about the

825
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 4: professional side of things because it's a different game now.

826
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:17,280
Speaker 4: It is it is, and and you know, there's there's

827
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 4: a there's a place to take it, and there's an

828
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 4: understanding of not.

829
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

830
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 4: And I think Draymond's earned the right to get all

831
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 4: the way up to that line. Yeah, yeah, exactly, He's

832
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,879
Speaker 4: earned that right, and so I don't think nobody would

833
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 4: fall him for that. But when you go over it,

834
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 4: because you are who you are, it's going to be

835
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 4: it's going to be a brighter light on it.

836
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 2: Right.

837
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 4: If you was a you know, and no offense to it,

838
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 4: like a two way guy or something and you did that,

839
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 4: obviously you're not gonna have a second chance and nobody's

840
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 4: gonna care about it. But when you are four time champion,

841
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 4: a Defensive Player of the Year, perennial All Star, first ballot,

842
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 4: Hall of Famer, heart and soul of your team, and

843
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 4: you're not seventy three and nine, it's gonna be a

844
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 4: different story. And so we have that conversation. It's good

845
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 4: to see him come out of it, you know, and

846
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,439
Speaker 4: and from a a from a mental place that he's

847
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 4: that he's in and uh, but you know, it's a

848
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 4: continuous process. That's something you got to work on all

849
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 4: the time. None of us are perfect, We're just not.

850
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 4: But I think when you have the ability, not just

851
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 4: the ability, when you have the want first and then

852
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 4: put in the effort to make change, none of us

853
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 4: can also be We'll all be like, we're gonna support that.

854
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 2: Right, And that's a big problem in our culture too.

855
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 2: Somebody change, They look at it us, well, why are

856
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 2: you changing?

857
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: Changing?

858
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I have to change for the better.

859
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 4: That's the only way to grow. You know.

860
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 3: We have the opportunity to have de John Tay Murray

861
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 3: on the show, and I was already a fan of it.

862
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 3: Game and getting the chance to know the head he

863
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 3: had on his shoulders and the story man.

864
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 4: Experiences. Bro Let me tell you something, man, when I

865
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 4: met the Johntay, the first day I met the Johntay,

866
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 4: he signed wasn't We didn't have a power point, There

867
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 4: was no game, make or gang. It was just a

868
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 4: straight conversation. Monoi Mono. He has two uncles with him.

869
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: And.

870
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 4: You know, it was just it was just a feeling,

871
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 4: you know, we were able to see out of the eye.

872
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 4: And I told him, point Blake, I'm like, look, I

873
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 4: can't I can't promise you anything, but I can promise

874
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 4: you one thing. I'm gonna be there with you with

875
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 4: the ups. I'm gonna be there with you with the downs,

876
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 4: and we're gonna get better.

877
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 1: You know.

878
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 4: I had my colleague with me, and you know, we

879
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 4: just talked about life and I felt his pain, he

880
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 4: felt mine, and he felt that the trust would be there.

881
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 4: And when you think about just his career projected in

882
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 4: the second round when we first then he moved up

883
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 4: and was ten on the board, was supposed to go

884
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,959
Speaker 4: ten to Milwaukee, background stuff or whatnot. I'm telling the teams,

885
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, he can't help where you take him

886
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 4: from the hospital to the whatever house you take him to.

887
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 4: That's not on him. He can't decide which address he

888
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 4: get dropped off to, right, and so he shouldn't be

889
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 4: penalized for that. I've been with this kid for sixty days.

890
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 4: He went to one club, donhing twice, none of and

891
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 4: I'm not you know, I like to go out and

892
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 4: have a good time. Not him, not him, just not him.

893
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 4: He's just a baller, right, And so I'm like, I

894
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 4: don't see what y'all see. But whatever. So when he

895
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 4: gets drafted twenty nine to the Spurs, you know what

896
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 4: I told him. I said to John Tay he was

897
00:48:58,320 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 4: a lottery pick.

898
00:48:59,040 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: Bro.

899
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 4: He was like, man, batter this.

900
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: I said this.

901
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 4: Let me tell you, I've been through this already. I

902
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 4: just went through this with Corey Joseph, same pick. Y'all say,

903
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 4: y'all wearing the same number. I've been through this. Now,

904
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 4: are you gonna go up and down in the G League? Yes,

905
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,880
Speaker 4: it's gonna seem like, excuse me, it's the end of

906
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 4: the world. Yes, but I can guarantee you it's gonna

907
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 4: put years on your career for the better. Starting off

908
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,439
Speaker 4: here where you're starting off at. It's gonna put years

909
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,760
Speaker 4: on your career by the end of the Western Conference Finals.

910
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 4: He started in the Western Conference Finals. You get what

911
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 4: I'm saying. And then gets hurt, still gets his contract,

912
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 4: gets traded, gets another contract. When you think about it,

913
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 4: and we talk all the time about it, and again

914
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 4: like I'm not one of those guys that have to.

915
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 4: I don't have to tiptoe around none of my guys.

916
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,879
Speaker 4: I don't have to walk on eggs shells. I don't

917
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 4: have to. You know, it's nothing for us to talk

918
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 4: about twenty four hours a day that that's not realistic.

919
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 4: So you see these guys on the headphones, it's like, bro,

920
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 4: I'm doing a thousand different things a day, and I

921
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 4: know that's so like. We don't have to fake, that's

922
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 4: just acting. Look, you get what I'm saying. If there's something,

923
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 4: call me, I'll call you. Whatever the case may be, dinner, whatever,

924
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 4: whatever it is. We manage it in the proper fashion.

925
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 4: But it's just a bond, it really is. And if

926
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 4: I tell you something like my guy's like, girl, if

927
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 4: you tell me something, I know you've done, You've done

928
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 4: your diligence on it. Just that simple. So I educate

929
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 4: them and I'm not telling them what to do. I'm

930
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,959
Speaker 4: just educating them on what our options are and here's

931
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 4: what I advise you to do and why. But ultimately

932
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 4: you have to make the decision right. And in the

933
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 4: Jonte's case, just this year, you know, we had an

934
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 4: extension eligible. We could have played it all the way

935
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 4: out or take the extension, et cetera. He has a

936
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 4: different perspective on life and his positioning.

937
00:50:58,719 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: So we did it.

938
00:50:59,520 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 3: We did it.

939
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 4: Intension don't matter to me, right, and but I just

940
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 4: like to have the options right and so that's that's

941
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 4: what we have. But the John Tay's John Kay is

942
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 4: great man and just all my guys, man, you know,

943
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 4: we we We've been blessed as a company. I've been

944
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 4: blessed as an agent to represent some great guys. And

945
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 4: I'm ana be there with you up and be there

946
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 4: with you down right, you know, Miles's case, same thing.

947
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 4: You know, Guys like Tyreese and Darius Garland, same thing.

948
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 3: You know.

949
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 4: Just some of the younger guys, older guys you expected,

950
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 4: right A d K cps Lebron's and Tray Bonds, Fred Van,

951
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 4: those guys are like you know, but the younger guys

952
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 4: trying to mold them, you know. Happy for a guy

953
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 4: like Trey Lows, you know, like Trey Lows. You know,

954
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 4: it's just sometimes in the NBA, it's just about finding.

955
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 4: You have to stay in there to find a fit.

956
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 4: You don't always get drafted to the fit, but you

957
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:58,959
Speaker 4: have to do the things necessary to stay professional, stay

958
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 4: in the toe, find a fit, right. You know, we've

959
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 4: seen many guys going to life. That's why I don't

960
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 4: get so caught up on the top five or top ten.

961
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 4: That don't mean anything. No, no, no, not at all.

962
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 3: Obviously we're coming to the back end ofbron Steph KD. Yeah,

963
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 3: who were some people you see this next run of

964
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 3: this youth they can potentially it's a lot of work,

965
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 3: but to be there somewhat as faces.

966
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 4: You know, talent wise, there's a lot of talented players, right,

967
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 4: there's a lot of talent. This is the most talent

968
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,479
Speaker 4: I think we've had in our league in a lot

969
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 4: of time.

970
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 1: But but.

971
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 4: There's an aspect of understanding what it is to be

972
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 4: a great partner and when you are trying to position

973
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,439
Speaker 4: yourself to be one of the faces, because I don't

974
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 4: think there'll be one face. I think those days are over.

975
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 4: But to be one of the faces of the league,

976
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 4: there's a partnership that comes with that that you you

977
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 4: have to understand. There's a reputation you have to uphold,

978
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 4: there's a professionalism you have to uphold. There's a giving

979
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 4: of your time that you have to carve out to

980
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 4: do certain things to continue to move the game forward. Right,

981
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,840
Speaker 4: And so I think your production, yeah, and your production

982
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 4: every night, and nobody don't cares. So you had thirty okay, great,

983
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,240
Speaker 4: you have thirty five. Okay, great you had forty.

984
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 1: Great.

985
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 4: That's expected of you, right, We expect that of you.

986
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 4: And I think that today a lot of guys come

987
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 4: in our league and they're talented, but they don't know

988
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 4: how to play the game.

989
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 1: Right.

990
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:49,000
Speaker 4: And then in addition to that, they also don't don't

991
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 4: know how to play the game within the game. You've

992
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 4: been the best player on the team means you be

993
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 4: the first one at the gym, not mean you be

994
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 4: the last one to walk in, be late to the plane,

995
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 4: all those things are no go when you're the best

996
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 4: guy on the team. No, no, no, it works the

997
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,280
Speaker 4: actually it works the other way. You have to actually

998
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,920
Speaker 4: do more because the coach actually should be able to

999
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 4: sit in the film room and talk through you, and

1000
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 4: you be okay with that. That's part of your responsibility,

1001
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 4: has to face the team because what's the sister of

1002
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 4: him talking to the ninth man on the bench that

1003
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,320
Speaker 4: ain't gonna do nothing for the team. But if I

1004
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 4: can talk through you as the number one guy, then

1005
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 4: it's gonna already reprimand the room, like I don't have

1006
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 4: to say nothing at that point, right, So I think

1007
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 4: that's important. But it's a ton of it's definitely, it's

1008
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 4: definitely a ton of talent. I think, n I l

1009
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 4: it's kind of hurting the growth of the athlete and

1010
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 4: several aspects. I think it's good for our women's game

1011
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 4: for sure, because we haven't gotten that part right to

1012
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 4: where they can make substantial money. I think in football

1013
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 4: it's just become the wild wild West. And don't get

1014
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 4: me wrong, these stadiums are one hundred and ten hundred,

1015
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 4: five thousand, ninety thousand every Saturday, right, these guys should

1016
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 4: get something. There's no question about it. So I'm not

1017
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 4: you know, but there is a there used to be

1018
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 4: an aspect of resilience. So it's removing the resilience and

1019
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,760
Speaker 4: there's a trade off. There's options for the lack thereof

1020
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 4: having to overcome something. I don't think there's a quick

1021
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 4: fix to either one. We need to find some type

1022
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 4: of balance because you need both. I want these guys

1023
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 4: to have an option, because you know, it's unfair to

1024
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 4: go in the kids' living room and say something and

1025
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 4: not mean it right. And in basketball we see this

1026
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 4: happen a lot. Guys go and commit to a school

1027
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 4: and they've told all the right things, and then when

1028
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 4: they get there, they're top five player coming in and

1029
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 4: by the time it's done because not because of something

1030
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 4: that they're doing, because these are young. These are kids,

1031
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 4: by the way, they have a lot of growing to do.

1032
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 4: There's nurturing that has to be done. In the college games,

1033
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 4: there's a continuous effort to want to educate them on

1034
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,320
Speaker 4: how to play the game. And you want to get that,

1035
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 4: so you have to find a balance of well, am

1036
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 4: I gonna care about my wins or I'm gonna care

1037
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 4: about the win within right, there's a balance, right, And

1038
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 4: if we happen to it, which one you're gonna commit to?

1039
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 4: Because if you're gonna commit to your wins, and that's

1040
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 4: that's gonna let me know your coaching style right away.

1041
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 4: And it may not be the best place for me.

1042
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 4: But if you tell me this prior, there's one thing.

1043
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 4: But if you tell me, hey, you come here, I'm

1044
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 4: gonna make sure this is I'm gonna make sure that

1045
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,400
Speaker 4: And then when you got me there, that's switch is up.

1046
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,439
Speaker 4: That's tough for me. And then you can't don't say

1047
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 4: to me, oh, well, I'm helping you get better, because

1048
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:11,720
Speaker 4: there's several ways to help somebody get better. You're picking

1049
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 4: the worst way to help me get better without even

1050
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 4: knowing how I learned. That's equivalent to my son being

1051
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 4: in school and you know the teacher teaching everybody the

1052
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 4: same way. Well we all learned differently, everybody, So that's

1053
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 4: not I don't really go for that. And so I

1054
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 4: think all that matters to the other thing is these

1055
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 4: kids are playing way too much basketball, way too much basketball.

1056
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 4: You don't need it. We don't need fifteen tournaments like

1057
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 4: you don't need it. I can tell a guy who

1058
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 4: has pro potential in two minutes like, we don't need that.

1059
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 4: But there's playing so many games, and it's just it's

1060
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 4: just it's it's why a lot of injuries are happening

1061
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 4: a lot earlier too, you know, because you don't need

1062
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 4: If I'm a top player, I'm not playing every tournament

1063
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 4: that you that you got on my schedule for what

1064
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 4: it's not going to help. Some of these guys are

1065
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 4: are been playing for the last three years They've been

1066
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 4: the same person for the last three years. It's not changing.

1067
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 4: Work on your development. Work on your development, not that

1068
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 4: too many games.

1069
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: I don't care what.

1070
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 3: I'm I mean, Yeah, I'm in the That's why I

1071
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 3: coach my kids. They're not playing on two or three

1072
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 3: different teams. We're not taking all these like it's it's

1073
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 3: a to me, it's a step process to get there.

1074
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 3: And even if you're lucky enough to be, you know,

1075
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,040
Speaker 3: help having a father this in it, there's still no guarantee,

1076
00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 3: but I definitely know the process it's going to take.

1077
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 3: Not playing all these games is not the step. It's

1078
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 3: gonna be beneficial. If you could represent one player in

1079
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 3: NBA history, who would that be?

1080
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 4: And why I said this already.

1081
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to hear this because I feel like

1082
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 3: he's program. Like I said, Rich to be honest with you, Bro,

1083
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 3: the reason why I really wanted this interview is to

1084
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 3: really learn, obviously before knowing about the book, learn more

1085
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 3: about you because I've always just been admired from Afar

1086
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 3: like that limit.

1087
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 4: I appreciate that. For me, it's Alan Iverson because what

1088
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 4: people don't understand is and Alan Iverson to me was

1089
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:24,800
Speaker 4: culture before people even understood what culture.

1090
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 3: Was by far right ever since the word.

1091
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 4: And if you managed that particular person, basketball player business

1092
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 4: the right way, this landscape today looks a lot different.

1093
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 4: See if I'm only focused on who's gonna pass the

1094
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 4: most money and I don't have an understanding of what

1095
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 4: type of business I can build and why and with

1096
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 4: what brand and this brand and the right product, et cetera,

1097
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:58,360
Speaker 4: and be able to build that over time, then I'm

1098
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 4: doing him a disservice because there was I don't care

1099
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 4: put them all up. Alan Irison is not even close

1100
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:16,080
Speaker 4: because he had America no matter rural, urban, integrated. That

1101
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 4: don't exist. I mean it didn't exist then right in

1102
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 4: the way that it was people wearing corn rolls. I'm

1103
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 4: talking about every aspect of the way. Obviously everybody wanted

1104
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,240
Speaker 4: to be like Mike, and Mike had the shoes.

1105
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 3: And he had the whole nine, but he was more

1106
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 3: relatable though.

1107
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:38,920
Speaker 4: AI had everything. He had the cool, he had, the

1108
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 4: corn rolls, he had the game, he had, the nostalgia,

1109
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 4: he had, the boy. He had he had everything you

1110
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 4: could possibly imagine, from the mint to the floor with

1111
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 4: the Bentley, with the platinum. So that's the hip hop culture.

1112
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 4: Then he had the basketball culture. The kid that only

1113
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 4: wanted to play basketball, he had that culture. Then he

1114
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 4: somehow he had what would be perceived to be the

1115
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 4: pop s type of type of culture.

1116
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 1: Right.

1117
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 4: And so to me, that is like the dynamic of

1118
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 4: that in America. I'm saying, the dynamic of that you

1119
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 4: just can't I don't know if you can actually put

1120
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 4: a price on it. And this is coming from me.

1121
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 4: I was with Bron since he was sixteen seventeen years

1122
01:01:23,360 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 4: of age. I know the things we've done right, I

1123
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 4: know the things we've done wrong. And I don't know

1124
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 4: if there's an athlete to build the business he's personally

1125
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 4: built right right, just as a basketball player, the rooms

1126
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 4: he can get in the business he's built all that,

1127
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 4: that person don't exist right now. There have been people

1128
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 4: to do well within their personal endeavors in terms of

1129
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 4: investment and things like that. We have a lot of

1130
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 4: smart guys around our league, and the access is different

1131
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 4: now than it was back then when we first came

1132
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 4: the league. But prior to us, it would be for me,

1133
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 4: it would be Alan Iverson because he just had so

1134
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 4: much range. You know, the girls, I we forgot about

1135
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 4: the girls.

1136
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 1: All aspect.

1137
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 3: I played with a lot of stars, Cobe, Steph kd Ai.

1138
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 3: I've never seen the love in every city on and

1139
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 3: off the court, like to this day. Bro.

1140
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 4: I was in Cleveland going to the games. I had

1141
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 4: a you know, back then you can go into uh

1142
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 4: Macy's and you can buy the quarter season, half a season.

1143
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:36,320
Speaker 1: Whatever it was.

1144
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 4: So you know, I would I would go in and

1145
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 4: I would buy season tickets. You could buy him through

1146
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 4: like a Macy's or Dealers, whatever it was. You could

1147
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 4: buy him through that. You could buy season tickets there.

1148
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 4: And I had to have the Sixers game on a

1149
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 4: on the on my little gold package or whatever it

1150
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 4: was back then. And the Cavs wasn't that great, so

1151
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 4: most of the season is empty. But when AI came

1152
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 4: and play different, it was unbelievable. So you know, just

1153
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 4: having that and you know, I, you know, for me,

1154
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:12,439
Speaker 4: I don't really you know, we're going back and forth

1155
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 4: about all this, the conversation to goat this and that whatever.

1156
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 4: But it would be AI for me just because of

1157
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 4: the business. I know, I would have been able to

1158
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:23,919
Speaker 4: build and me knowing the person of AI, he would

1159
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:27,520
Speaker 4: have listened and oh man, it would have been knowing

1160
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 4: what I know and was able to learn. Oh my god. Yeah,

1161
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,919
Speaker 4: just different, just a different, like you can't you can't

1162
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:40,800
Speaker 4: have that today because the wild factor is gone. Social

1163
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 4: media has removed the wild factor. But so you know,

1164
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 4: the the opportunity is a lot different. Right to be

1165
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 4: able to compound something is a lot different.

1166
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 3: How many more years you think Brown got shu?

1167
01:03:58,400 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 4: You know what it changes?

1168
01:03:59,680 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: Man?

1169
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know. I mean, honestly, I don't.

1170
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 3: I mean I think you being someone that's close and

1171
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 3: knowing him the way you do, the way you see

1172
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 3: his body moved to say the things he has to

1173
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 3: go through mentally, I was an older player, like what

1174
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 3: is I think?

1175
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:14,720
Speaker 4: Body wise?

1176
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:19,680
Speaker 1: Five? Yeah, thank you I said four, but five.

1177
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 4: Yeah its mind yeah, mind wise yeah, no, the understanding

1178
01:04:26,520 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 4: how to play the game mind wise forever like whatever, yeah,

1179
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 4: mind wise as it pertains to frustration or yeah, and

1180
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 4: or just like man, I have had enough missing time

1181
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,160
Speaker 4: with his family, his wife and just being you know,

1182
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 4: because they've been they've been unbelievable. They've been, you know,

1183
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 4: unbelievable once. Yeah, support system. At some point they got

1184
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 4: to be about them, You got to be about them.

1185
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 4: And I think from that perspective, maybe two to three,

1186
01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 4: you know, from that perspective, and I think, you know, ultimately,

1187
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 4: like I said, we go through all these things about

1188
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 4: who the gold is and I don't want to get

1189
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 4: into that because I just you know, I've stated in

1190
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 4: my opinion, and we all got our opinions. I think

1191
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 4: every air gonna have their opinion. Who played against who

1192
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 4: gonna have an opinion and all of that. But I

1193
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 4: think that just appreciating the guys, appreciating Lebron, appreciating Kevin Durant,

1194
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 4: appreciating Steph Curry, like appreciating these guys because for me,

1195
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 4: seeing a guy like Steph at ford Field in the

1196
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 4: NCAA tournament to being there, you know, I had Johnny

1197
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 4: Flint in that draft when they came out before and yeah,

1198
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 4: and seeing you know, everything that he's been able to do.

1199
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 4: Just understanding how Kevin just he just loves to get

1200
01:05:56,920 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 4: He is just a pure basketball player and we see

1201
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 4: what that gets you. I don't even know when he's

1202
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 4: gonna stop playing, maybe fifty five years.

1203
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 3: He just always he just loved to hoop.

1204
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:10,960
Speaker 4: But just the appreciation, because I think when you in

1205
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 4: the eye of the tornado you know, you tend to

1206
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 4: not not really understand what's going on around you so

1207
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 4: so much. And so I've seen what I've been a

1208
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 4: part of. What I mean, where you came in the

1209
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:28,919
Speaker 4: league two thousand and you was too, so your rookie year. Yeah,

1210
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 4: I was a year in between. So I've been a

1211
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:35,160
Speaker 4: part of. I was at MJ's last game, right.

1212
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: And just.

1213
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 4: Yeah champions, Yeah, yeah, that was two thousand and three,

1214
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 4: being at All Star was in Atlanta that year and

1215
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 4: I think they they last game was against the Sixers day.

1216
01:06:47,640 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 4: But just being a part of seeing, you know, all

1217
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 4: those different generations of ball players, you know, like I

1218
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 4: have a Kobe gave me the last jersey he wore

1219
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 4: in Cleveland. He signed it to me and he wasn't

1220
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 4: given nobody. But I had a relationship with with with

1221
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 4: Cod from that perspective, and and just you know, just

1222
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 4: like you said, Ai and t Mac and and just

1223
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 4: being a tim and you know y'all team y'all had

1224
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 4: in San Antonio. Just being a historian of the game,

1225
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 4: even guys before that, the Rod Stricklands, the Abdul Roight Oofs,

1226
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 4: and the Fern Flemings and the you know, and just

1227
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 4: you know, Ricky Reggie and and just all the guys

1228
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:35,960
Speaker 4: that Ricky Pierce and all these different guys that I

1229
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 4: remember just watching those Cavaliers teams that we had when

1230
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 4: they was good. And I played against Damien Wilkins when

1231
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 4: Gerald played for the for the Cavs. Grig and I

1232
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 4: was at the Soling Cage Classic. You might have played

1233
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 4: in Soling Cage Classic. Did you play in Solar Cage

1234
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 4: ca So I watched about I watched. I was at

1235
01:07:55,680 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 4: the game when Garnett was on the Michigan All Stars.

1236
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 4: It was Garnett, it was I think it was at

1237
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 4: that point it was Dane Fife, not Duke. It was

1238
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 4: dang Fife, Brandon Hughes. They had a squad and they

1239
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:14,800
Speaker 4: played against I want to say they played against I

1240
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 4: don't know if it was earl in them, but they

1241
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 4: played against Stringer Michigan All Stars. I think more Taylor

1242
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 4: was on that team. Taylor Track might have been on it.

1243
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 4: I gave that tape to Lebron to watch because he

1244
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 4: was always talking about teams. But I was at that

1245
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 4: game and that game was back then. I think seniors

1246
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:38,719
Speaker 4: could actually play au back then. And Garnett hadn't chosen

1247
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 4: to come out yet. And I remember going to the

1248
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 4: bathroom and I was I mean, Tarkanian was the every

1249
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 4: d one coach was there and I was sitting under

1250
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 4: the basket and I had these up tempos around my

1251
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:52,800
Speaker 4: neck and he was in the layup line and kg

1252
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 4: he landed, he and he looked. He was like, damn, bro,

1253
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 4: what was them? And I was just told him, like

1254
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 4: what because we had just played in the small all

1255
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:01,760
Speaker 4: their gyms. So we just walked over and it was

1256
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 4: standing room only, so we had to sit up under

1257
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:06,679
Speaker 4: the basket, but just going all the way and then

1258
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 4: and I think the draft was in May or June,

1259
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 4: whatever it was, and for him to be like, damn,

1260
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 4: we just got drafted five. It was just you know,

1261
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 4: just being a history of the game, like you know,

1262
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:22,680
Speaker 4: for me, basketball is me. It's just my life. So

1263
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 4: that's what makes me really really love it. And I

1264
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 4: watched even like like right now, I talk to my

1265
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 4: guys about closing out improperly and you know things today. Yeah,

1266
01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 4: you sat and talking, yeah.

1267
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 3: And real strategy set at that game.

1268
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 1: It was really back and forth. I loved it.

1269
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 3: Obviously, we don't have.

1270
01:09:41,720 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 1: A ton of time with you.

1271
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna keep pushing it forward. I'm gonna give

1272
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 3: you a list of people who are instrument in your life,

1273
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 3: and you just give me a few words on them.

1274
01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 4: Y'all did y'all research?

1275
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 3: First of all, Kevin Warren, the Chicago Bears president.

1276
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 4: Love Kevin Warren Man. You know, Kevin Warren and I

1277
01:09:56,920 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 4: have grown to have an unbelievable relationship mentor and towarded me.

1278
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 3: You know, Jimmy I.

1279
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 4: Extreme supporter of me, always been someone who you know,

1280
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 4: just continue to support and push me and want want

1281
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 4: to see.

1282
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:12,840
Speaker 1: Me do well.

1283
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:16,600
Speaker 4: It's weird, right because they group us all together, but

1284
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:19,600
Speaker 4: then you have your individual We all have our individual relationships.

1285
01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 4: A lot of them overlap with the same people and

1286
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 4: things of that nature. But you have your own relationship

1287
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:27,879
Speaker 4: with certain people. But Jimmy just has always been extremely supportive.

1288
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 4: I'm not as close to but I did get to

1289
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:34,560
Speaker 4: spend some time with him and learned a lot in

1290
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:36,759
Speaker 4: a short time. We spent four days in two thousand

1291
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 4: and six with Warren Omaha early yeah.

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01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:40,559
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:43,280
Speaker 4: He gave me a monopoly board that was a Berkshire

1294
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:45,640
Speaker 4: had the Way addition that had all the companies that

1295
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 4: he owned on it. So that was pretty fly. Yeah, yeah,

1296
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:56,759
Speaker 4: jay Z brother. You know again, jan I is somebody

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01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:00,560
Speaker 4: who constantly speak you know, just the other day he

1298
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 4: told me like, you know, just you know how much

1299
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 4: he cared about me and love me. You know, we

1300
01:11:05,680 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 4: talk like that. And so when people think they see

1301
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 4: rock Nation Sports and Clutch Sports, like we're not. We compete,

1302
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 4: but we're not in competition, you know, for everybody out here, bro,

1303
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 4: we're not in competition. And so even with this book,

1304
01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:19,640
Speaker 4: like I was down the road about to do that

1305
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 4: book with a totally different you know, publishing company, and

1306
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 4: and I just happened to see a tweet about rock

1307
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 4: Lit and I called Jay. I'm like, I texted him.

1308
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 4: I was like, yo, call me.

1309
01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 1: So he called me.

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01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:33,680
Speaker 4: I was like, are you doing this book publishing thing?

1311
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 4: He's like yeah. I was like, well I got this.

1312
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:36,559
Speaker 4: I got my book coming out.

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01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 3: He was like really.

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01:11:37,439 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 1: I was like yeah.

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01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 4: I'm like, look, I'm on the one yard line with

1316
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:44,040
Speaker 4: this deal. And I said, obviously I'll get an opportunity,

1317
01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 4: but you got to be able to match my deal.

1318
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 4: He was like, give me one minute, let me. He

1319
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 4: hung up, call me right back. He was like done,

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01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 4: you know, But that's how we treat each other first man,

1321
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 4: you know, like you know, in our industry, it's always

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01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 4: just bullsh it's different and most people, most people are

1323
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 4: working for free. But that's not how you treat each other,

1324
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And so that was just

1325
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:13,880
Speaker 4: another example of like it's you know, it's business. I

1326
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 4: want to do right by you and relationship. Yeah, you

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01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 4: didn't have to, by the way, you didn't have to

1328
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:19,880
Speaker 4: call me, even though he's jay Z. I didn't have

1329
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:21,600
Speaker 4: to call him. You know, I could have done it

1330
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,680
Speaker 4: somewhere else, but I had I didn't want to. I

1331
01:12:24,720 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 4: wouldn't see that and then still continue forward. You get

1332
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, Like, we just don't treat each other

1333
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 4: like that. And so brother, Oprah, Oprah again, someone I've

1334
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 4: you know, been been able to develop a relationship, you know,

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01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 4: throughout the years. And obviously what she's been able to

1336
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 4: do just has been incredible, right from watching I used

1337
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:53,960
Speaker 4: to watch Women on Bruce's Place with my with my grandmother,

1338
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 4: right and you know, color purple and things like that,

1339
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:01,200
Speaker 4: and so you know, just touch points people, you know.

1340
01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:04,759
Speaker 4: But she's been great for me and just in terms

1341
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 4: of just dialogue. We communicate here and there. I check

1342
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 4: up on it here and there, and and you know,

1343
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 4: she check up on me here and there.

1344
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:21,800
Speaker 3: Father, CEO, businessman, agent, partner, How email us life, fatherhood

1345
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:24,240
Speaker 3: and business. That's a good question figuring that out.

1346
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:26,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, but no, but prior to that, but prior to that,

1347
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 4: I want to say, I want to say, you know,

1348
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:34,560
Speaker 4: but Randy Mavin Lebron brothers to me also, right, And

1349
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 4: I think I think, you know, are the biggest thing

1350
01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:43,679
Speaker 4: that we did was support each other, and that's rare.

1351
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 4: I think oftentimes people try to understand how do we

1352
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 4: all get here? And Mad built the mull time one

1353
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 4: hundred min dollar of business. I did the same thing.

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01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 4: And you know, Randy doesn't always get the you know,

1355
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,600
Speaker 4: the shine, but it's very hard for us to be

1356
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 4: us without him, So we do everything. Yeah, And so

1357
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 4: I think that we didn't have this infighting and we

1358
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:12,680
Speaker 4: didn't have this you know ego per se. Now you know,

1359
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:17,760
Speaker 4: you have your debates and you have your your competitiveness. Yeah,

1360
01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:20,559
Speaker 4: but if there was ever a situation, we can sit

1361
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:22,800
Speaker 4: down and have a conversation about it. Because the ain't

1362
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 4: no road smooth. But you know, those guys continue to

1363
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:30,599
Speaker 4: be a huge support to me. And again we hold

1364
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 4: each other accountabley and we also support each other. You know,

1365
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,240
Speaker 4: we've done our you know, I don't do everything they do.

1366
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 4: They don't do everything I do, but we support each other.

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01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:44,879
Speaker 4: And so I think for those out there that everything

1368
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,080
Speaker 4: we've done is what people want to duplicate today.

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01:14:47,280 --> 01:14:49,240
Speaker 1: That's right, y'alla only wants to get it right, to

1370
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 1: be honest, bro.

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01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, And there's a reason why we got it right now.

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01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 4: First of all, you know, it's gonna be very hard

1373
01:14:56,320 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 4: to win the Kentucky Derby on a pony r just question,

1374
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 4: and you have to realize that, and they have to

1375
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:08,120
Speaker 4: realize that. Second of all, the respect for each other

1376
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 4: to stay there, Yeah, it just has to be there.

1377
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 4: And for the people that's not the athlete, you have

1378
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 4: to be realistic and what value you actually bring to

1379
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 4: the table and define and start in that role because

1380
01:15:24,439 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 4: ain't nobody getting rich tomorrow. It ain't gonna happen and

1381
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 4: probably ain't gonna happen just in general. And it's not

1382
01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 4: the athletes and I said this before, it's not the athletes.

1383
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 4: They're not obligated for you to be successful that's not

1384
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 4: how it works, right, because they're only single young men.

1385
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 1: For so long.

1386
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:49,200
Speaker 4: Once they have a family, everything else is out the window.

1387
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 4: So spend that time trying to position yourself to where

1388
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:56,720
Speaker 4: you always have a value to them, and then you

1389
01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:00,759
Speaker 4: also have value away from them. Right, I built something.

1390
01:16:01,160 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 4: Lebron retired tomorrow. Great, Now you can leave my pre

1391
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:08,680
Speaker 4: draft camp and be bad. You know what I'm saying.

1392
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:11,160
Speaker 4: Because most people think, oh, Lebron retired tomorrow is over

1393
01:16:11,240 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 4: for you, blah blah blah. You hear what the what

1394
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:14,840
Speaker 4: the nay sayers say, But no, I look at it

1395
01:16:14,960 --> 01:16:18,720
Speaker 4: the total opposite way, right, because you know there's a

1396
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 4: reluctance because of right, he's just that big. But I

1397
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 4: think it's important to stress that because I've seen you

1398
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 4: guys talk about it before, and I want to see

1399
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:32,560
Speaker 4: guys do things. But don't you find it funny that

1400
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 4: we've all been successful and we actually made it right,

1401
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 4: We actually was around somebody that played a sport and

1402
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:45,160
Speaker 4: built businesses and did things. And you know, my phone

1403
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:48,479
Speaker 4: don't ring for help, My phone don't even ring for

1404
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:54,639
Speaker 4: questions because of the I could do it myself. See

1405
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, And and or they fall victim too,

1406
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 4: because this has happened. It just happened not too long ago.

1407
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:04,320
Speaker 4: They fall victim to. Oh well, you don't have to

1408
01:17:04,479 --> 01:17:07,320
Speaker 4: be aligned with them to be like them or be

1409
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 4: successful like them. You could do that with us. We

1410
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 4: can make you this. And so in your mind, that's

1411
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 4: your table at live. That's this table that live and

1412
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:19,920
Speaker 4: y'all showing how many bottles y'all got, that's what the type,

1413
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 4: that's how they plan, y'all. We don't do that. I

1414
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 4: don't even buy bottles. I buy art. You know, you

1415
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. But that's the that's the thing.

1416
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 3: And so.

1417
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 4: I think it's important to change that narrative, like no

1418
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:39,479
Speaker 4: lean in you know, whether you come with me as

1419
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 4: from a representation or not, who cares about that, right?

1420
01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:47,280
Speaker 4: But if I know where the land mines are and

1421
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 4: I can tell you where they are not to step on. Yeah,

1422
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 4: you'd rather just blow your leg off for the sake

1423
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:56,439
Speaker 4: of doing it. So, but then and then also my siblings,

1424
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 4: who are my family that's really supportive of me, like

1425
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 4: I and my kids, I couldn't be So to answer

1426
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:06,120
Speaker 4: your balance question, I've matured, man, you know, I've I've

1427
01:18:06,200 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 4: matured over time. You know, I was a kid that

1428
01:18:08,400 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 4: had kids. I was a kid just trying to find

1429
01:18:12,479 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 4: my way in terms of my experiences that but but

1430
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:21,560
Speaker 4: but then on the flip side, my life experiences, I

1431
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:24,920
Speaker 4: was an adult, and so I had to balance those

1432
01:18:25,040 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 4: two things because I came from a totally different world

1433
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 4: and certain things I didn't understand because I only knew

1434
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:34,680
Speaker 4: one way and that's the stand on it, you know,

1435
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:37,759
Speaker 4: And so I had to figure out how to balance

1436
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:40,120
Speaker 4: that and and and then also mature. I had to

1437
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:43,640
Speaker 4: mature as a leader in my space, as an executive.

1438
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 4: And so today I you know, my kids definitely come first,

1439
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:54,960
Speaker 4: and I've I've really enjoyed being a father, and you know,

1440
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 4: that's that's been great. But then you know the obviously,

1441
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 4: but the work don't stop. You know, I was up

1442
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 4: at three thirty this morning creating. You know, the work

1443
01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 4: don't stop for me. And then you know, just continue

1444
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 4: to evolve. You know, like I said, I don't put

1445
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 4: a limit on myself. Things come about. You know, this

1446
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:20,080
Speaker 4: last year was an unbelievable year. I know every year

1447
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 4: is not the same, but ultimately I just try to

1448
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 4: get better, just try to get better. You know, and

1449
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 4: they don't have anything to do with finance. I just

1450
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 4: try to better habits, you know, better work ethic, continue

1451
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 4: to strengthen my drive and perspective on things. And I

1452
01:19:35,200 --> 01:19:38,480
Speaker 4: hold myself accountable so people don't have to hold me accountable.

1453
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:39,679
Speaker 4: I'm gonna hold myself accountable.

1454
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:43,040
Speaker 3: Very key, quick hitters. Last few questions. First thing to

1455
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:46,120
Speaker 3: come to mind. Your favorite song and your fiances put

1456
01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:46,719
Speaker 3: you on the spot.

1457
01:19:47,320 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 4: Hold On is my favorite song. Hold On is my

1458
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:56,519
Speaker 4: favorite song off of off of her album this year, thirty. Yeah,

1459
01:19:56,760 --> 01:20:00,200
Speaker 4: hold On. It was a couple of years ago, but the.

1460
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:03,840
Speaker 1: Album soundtrack to Your Life. Pick three songs.

1461
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:11,720
Speaker 4: Lucky Me is definitely one. Jesus love Lionel diamonds up

1462
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:12,719
Speaker 4: against that would.

1463
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:16,759
Speaker 1: No? I love that. Be able to pull off the baby,

1464
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 1: you know? I love that one I.

1465
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 4: Got, I got some other ones off that I was

1466
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 4: thinking I was all over. I was, I was.

1467
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 1: That was perfect.

1468
01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:33,000
Speaker 3: Stuck on the Island. Three shows or movies in rotation.

1469
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:37,960
Speaker 4: Godfather one and two, THAT'ST one. I gotta have Martin

1470
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:40,480
Speaker 4: Martin and the Wire.

1471
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 3: Martin in the Wire, Yeah, first series, the TV.

1472
01:20:45,400 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 4: Show in the movie.

1473
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:47,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first thing you do in the morning. Last

1474
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:48,680
Speaker 1: thing you do at night.

1475
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:55,000
Speaker 4: First thing I do in the morning is well after praying.

1476
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:58,760
Speaker 1: Yes, it is the first thing you do. Yeah, yeah,

1477
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:00,760
Speaker 1: so praying will be the first thing. Yeah, last thing

1478
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:05,160
Speaker 1: or that pray? Okay, find the same way, yeah, peaceful.

1479
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 2: If you could see one guests on all the smoke,

1480
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 2: who would it be? You said a couple of names,

1481
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 2: but you know we need so if you can see

1482
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 2: one guess on all the smoke, who would it be?

1483
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 3: But got to help us get that guest.

1484
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 1: You got to help us get.

1485
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:22,120
Speaker 4: Well when we start. I think y'all have a good

1486
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 4: show with l J just because the basketball just you

1487
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:29,759
Speaker 4: compete against y'all, bro, we all.

1488
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:32,680
Speaker 1: Have got bro. Just say it. He's one of the

1489
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:33,559
Speaker 1: best to ever played.

1490
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:35,840
Speaker 2: We would be honest to have Yeah, we played against

1491
01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:37,639
Speaker 2: him and all that ship, Bro, but we are fans

1492
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 2: of this nigga.

1493
01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 1: Dog.

1494
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:39,280
Speaker 4: Just say that.

1495
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:42,200
Speaker 2: I'm saying what you said. You said some other ship.

1496
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 2: Just we are saying, Bro, we would love to have

1497
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 2: you on our damn show. Please, dog, straight up, That's

1498
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 2: just what it is.

1499
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 1: I was saying that we ain't being humble about asking.

1500
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 4: Y'all played against each other, so I know it'd be

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01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 4: a good show. Yeah, y'all had some some Yeah, I'm

1502
01:21:58,920 --> 01:21:59,160
Speaker 4: like that.

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01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:01,720
Speaker 1: Is what we say on the show.

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01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:03,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think LJ would be a good one, but

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01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna use him as my one. I don't know, y'all. Man,

1506
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:11,599
Speaker 4: y'all interview so many people. Even that's a tough one.

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01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:13,799
Speaker 1: You said a few names.

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01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 4: I was like, it depends on what the conversation was about.

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01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:21,800
Speaker 4: But like for me, like I talked to Lil Wayne

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01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 4: a lot now, like going back and forth, and I'll

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01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:29,720
Speaker 4: be sending them old records of like he got this

1512
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:36,880
Speaker 4: song called after World on the Block is hot, just

1513
01:22:37,400 --> 01:22:39,439
Speaker 4: just going back to my childhood when we was young

1514
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 4: out there. Just listen to that. I'll be sending them

1515
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 4: old stuff all the time. But just about you know,

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01:22:44,720 --> 01:22:48,519
Speaker 4: the longevity, right, Just a lot of guys don't understand

1517
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 4: the importance of how to stay relevant and how to

1518
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:55,640
Speaker 4: stay a star and involve and and continue to you know,

1519
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:57,639
Speaker 4: reinvent yourself.

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01:22:57,840 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 1: Right. And so.

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01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,559
Speaker 4: I don't have one name in particular, but somebody somebody

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01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:04,759
Speaker 4: in that position, right, because I think.

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01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 3: We just had Snoop yesterday.

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01:23:07,520 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean probably one probably the most recognizable rap

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01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 4: artist you know ever you know, and just someone who

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01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 4: again talk about reinveying yourself and just doing.

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01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 1: It all him and Hole do it every three years.

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01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 4: I think those I think those things are are important.

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01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:30,360
Speaker 4: I mean just those shows. I like to watch those

1530
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:33,040
Speaker 4: shows where I can where I can learn learn something.

1531
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, rich Man, we appreciate your We know you're very

1532
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:39,599
Speaker 3: busy man, but just also let you know, bro, like flowers,

1533
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 3: we give you your flower.

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01:23:40,600 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 4: I appreciate see what you people.

1535
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:45,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, people got to see people got to see it

1536
01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:47,200
Speaker 3: to believe it, and you made a lot of little

1537
01:23:47,240 --> 01:23:50,120
Speaker 3: boys and girls see that like, hey, that is a

1538
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:52,639
Speaker 3: possibility now man, we thank you for that. Like Jackson,

1539
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 3: it's not just for it's more about everyone.

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01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 4: And that's but yeah, I feel the love though, I

1541
01:23:57,120 --> 01:24:00,679
Speaker 4: feel and I try to give everybody at at least

1542
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 4: five seconds, ten seconds, you know, a minute of my

1543
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 4: time if I can, because you just never know what

1544
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 4: it does to that person's life, you know, So that's

1545
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:12,360
Speaker 4: to me that that's that's that's important.

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01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, no doubt Well, thank you man. That's a wrap.

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01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 1: Rich Paul.

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01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 3: All the smoke you can catch us on all the

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01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:21,360
Speaker 3: Smoke productions and our new deal with Draft Kids and

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01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:24,439
Speaker 3: that oh, congratulations yeah,