1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: My guests as an old friend in the business. Uh, somebody, 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,280 Speaker 1: I'm very proud of. John Murray, executive producer of the 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: of the new hit nationally syndicated Sherry. That's Day Tap Talk, 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: hosted by the one and only Sherry Shepherd recognizable face. 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: He has spent a majority of his career as a 6 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: TV host, contributor, media personality, and as a journalist. Prior 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,959 Speaker 1: to joining Sherry, he was an executive producer Very Popular 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: Series or TV one, where he produced and directed episodes 9 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: of the docum series called Uncensored. He had a lot 10 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:33,919 Speaker 1: to talk about. I'm only going to the littlest credits 11 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: in this particular opening, but we're gonna talk about a 12 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: whole lot of credits once we start talking. Please work 13 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: with the money making conversations, masterclass. John Murray. How are 14 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 1: you doing, sir, I'm doing good. Shaw. Well, I like 15 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: your things that you got set up there too. Man, Well, 16 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: thank you very much. You know, uh, all these people 17 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: have been on my show. I have not just snatched 18 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: their pictures offline online, you know what I'm saying? And 19 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: uh you know, you know Sherry's up there because you 20 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: know I have a little to y'all build down. I'm 21 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: not Sharry. You know I'm not Sharry, but I would 22 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: tell you some man, let's let's let's let's let's take 23 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: the elephant out of the room. Okay, because because this room, 24 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: the elephant don't need to be in there taking up 25 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: all this good spirit in here. Brother. I am proud 26 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: of you. This interview is about you, but you know 27 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: how I feel about Sary. I personally went up there 28 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: man to hug both of y'all and shaking your hand 29 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:30,480 Speaker 1: and say, brother, congratulations, man, let's talk about your feelings 30 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: and where you at right now, especially when the ratings 31 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: came out announceeeing the success of the series so far, 32 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: we're gonna continue to climb. When I say serious, I'm 33 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: talking about the daytime talk called Sherry hosted by Sherry Shephard. 34 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: Absolutely Rishan let me first, and I'm on say, we 35 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: were so excited to have you here hanging out with us, 36 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: and it meant a lot. Uh. You've had great success 37 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 1: in this very genre, uh, with multiple people and multiple platforms, 38 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,559 Speaker 1: and so to have you here year really was validating 39 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: for us, man, and and to not only get your 40 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: feedback and to hear that you were enjoying yourself watching 41 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: you like there were times where I catch you from 42 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: stage on the side of the stage and you were 43 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: laughing at the stories you were taking in the audience 44 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: and just seeing you in real time have a good time, 45 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: which is our mission for everybody that watches this show, 46 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: that comes to this show. It meant a lot to 47 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: us because you're one of those people like me, Rashaan, 48 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: it takes a lot to make you laugh out laugh, 49 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: So to see you laugh out loud, I knew we 50 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: were achieving our goal. Well over tell you this. Uh, 51 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: the the whole process of being an executive producer is 52 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: that you know you're reaching a lot of people that 53 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: you don't know and the audience you can't see. So 54 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: to see a live reaction is always instant validation. Okay, 55 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: he got it. Okay, this did work. This, this makes sense. 56 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: But watching you check on the role of executive producer 57 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: on a national series that's cleared it over the native 58 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: percent of this country. That means you're talking the people 59 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: in Utah, you're talking to people and for a mall, 60 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: you're talking to people in the last you're talking to 61 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: people in Texas. How do you as to show prepared 62 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: at what point of view y'all coming other than Sherry. 63 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: We know she's to start the show, but you gotta 64 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: reach soccer malls, the Latino community, the African American community, 65 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,639 Speaker 1: the conservative community. Do y'all take all that in consideration 66 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: when you're doing the segments. You know what we're sharing. 67 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: One of the things that we just trying to be 68 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: intentional about is giving people unapologetic Sherry. The beauty of 69 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: Sherry is and I had to tell this to our 70 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 1: team here, uh in a meeting one time. The Sherry 71 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: was what we like to call white famous before she 72 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: was black famous. Sherry was somebody who carved out a 73 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: niche uh in the Hollywood community as the little funny 74 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: black girl on all the big major white sitcoms. You know. 75 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: When Sherry first got on the View, Uh, they did, 76 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: like in the research studies, because people outside of the 77 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: industry don't know that all these shows do focus groups 78 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: and research did these things that people like to talk 79 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: about called cumulative scores, which quantify your impact to the audience. 80 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: And when Sherry first got to the View, the black 81 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: audience was like, who is she? And how does she 82 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: get this job? And uh, you know, how does she 83 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: deserve this opportunity? And by a year two or three, 84 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: she had become one of the favorites with the black 85 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: audience because they felt as though she spoke to their voice. 86 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 1: So she was somebody who Middle America could relate to 87 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:24,799 Speaker 1: in life. She's somebody who felt safe to them because 88 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: they had seen her own friends and everybody loves Raymond 89 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: and all these big major franchise UH sitcoms. But then 90 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: she was carving out a space for black audiences. So 91 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: by the time she left the View after her seven 92 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: plus years on the show, Sherry had created this impact 93 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: that really was kind of universal. She started moving into 94 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 1: spaces in which we talked about how Whoopie moves, or 95 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan moves, or maybe Will Smith before the Oscar slap, 96 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: successful black talent that all of America just see as 97 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: a talent. And yes, at some point, yes people do 98 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 1: remind you love the color of your skin. But for 99 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: the most part, sure became one of those people that 100 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 1: became relatable to everybody. You know, you found something in 101 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 1: her journey to connect to. So when we're preparing the 102 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: content for the show, UH, we're looking at stories and 103 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: ideas and guests. We really try to do the things 104 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: that feel authentic to share it because one of the 105 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: things that we've learned is that if Sherry is doing 106 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: something that feels authentic to her, that's fun for her, 107 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: that's organic for her, then the audience has that same 108 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: reaction to it, you know. And so if it's not 109 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: something that's natural for her, if she can't find the 110 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: humanity in it, or the funny in it, or the 111 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: flirting in it, then we'll stay away from it because 112 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: if it doesn't connect with her, it's not going to 113 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: connect with Militred in Montana. Absolutely, and I think that's important. 114 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: The beauty of when you talk about her career, her relatability. 115 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: I met Sherry when I was executive co executive producing 116 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 1: the Jamie Foxx Show back on the w B and 117 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 1: she was an actress we hired, and that's when she 118 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: first came into my life. And and then as watch 119 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: I've been and I've been at the like I said 120 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: on the window sill, watching her career, and you're absolutely correct, 121 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: being able to transition into white sitcoms, white television projects seamlessly, 122 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: and that there was a testament to her crossover ability. 123 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: And then like you said, the view only just solidified it. 124 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: And then when she came out, she was back to 125 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: doing those things when she was no longer part of you, 126 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: doing those white sitcoms or those non traditional characters that 127 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: you will not assume to be relatable to a black 128 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: actress or black actor. Then I see in essence walking 129 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: in the streets of essence, black women stopping there taking photos, 130 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: taking selfie. So that type of crossover. And I and 131 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: I was blessed every when I say blessed ladies and gentlemen. 132 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: I arrived in New York when it was letting the 133 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: audience in. And I'm gonna telling you he's He's right. 134 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: I've been fortunate to launch a lot of TV shows, 135 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: whether it's sitcoms, whether it's whether it's uh, whether it's 136 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: a game shows, or whether it's a talk shows. The 137 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 1: audience means everything. And how that audience comes in. We 138 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: have a term we do a talk show world called 139 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 1: car wash the words. And somebody comes in, they don't 140 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: look up snuff. We're telling we might have a code 141 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: in the back to put on them. Uh, you look 142 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: pretty bad. We're gonna put you in the back row. 143 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: You can't sit on the front row. That's car washing 144 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: your audience. This audience that showed up that I saw 145 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: looked like they were going to church, looked like they 146 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: was ready for a fascist show, and they were the stars. 147 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: How did she make that switch? We know what the 148 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: Wendy Williams Show, but to come on the air and 149 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: the audience already line up that fits her brand? How 150 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: did she pull that off? John? Well, you know, the 151 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: people are just responding to her, you know. It is 152 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: the thing. You know, people know that we inherited production 153 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: team from the Windy Williams Show and den Mark Mercury. Uh. 154 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: And but everything that has been done to prepare for 155 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: the Sherry Show, Uh, it has been very different from that. 156 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: You know. Uh. There's some people who works for this 157 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: syndication company for thirteen years, but we've really been able 158 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: to condition people to adopt the language of This is 159 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 1: day one on a brand new franchise. So this is 160 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: a year fourteen of a franchise that Denmark has been producing. 161 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: This is season one on a brand new show that's 162 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: literally all about Sherry. So the audience looks very different 163 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: from the audience that used to come to the previous show. 164 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: The makeup of the demographics that we have. And you know, 165 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: even with our television regions, you know, our show is 166 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: syndicated in something like point five percent of the country, uh, 167 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: which is a far more expensive audience than you know, 168 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: There's been lots of stories in the press that we 169 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 1: inherited time slots from Wendy Williams. But the truth of 170 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: the matter is we expanded on mattil time slots, and 171 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: because when Williams show was only in about sixty nine 172 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: percent of the country, Uh, and so we've added an 173 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: additional thirty plus percent to our audience. And so, uh, 174 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: the timing and the appetite for sure, was just right. 175 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,680 Speaker 1: And we lean into all things Sharry and making sure 176 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 1: that this environment is a true reflection of her. You know, 177 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: the through line is joy, the through line is laughing. 178 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: The through line is friendship, you know, and and the 179 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: friendship part is so important, which is why on our 180 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: premier episode, one of her friends was one of our 181 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: first guests, Candy Burris. You know, another friend of both 182 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: of ours, single trainise of American Idol fame, recorded our 183 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: theme song talk show legend, you know, and friend to 184 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 1: us both. Rolando Watts is the voiceover announcer for our 185 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: show every day and so leaning to these elements that 186 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: are our real life for Saunas has really helped with 187 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: an organic connection to the audience and that's been imperative 188 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: for our success. Sure, we'll be right back with more 189 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. Now, let's return 190 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with Rushan McDonald. You know, 191 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: social media can be a curse and can be a blessing, 192 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 1: and then you can read certain things in social media 193 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: just make you smile. Your post that you did on 194 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: LinkedIn with Rulanda Watts was one of those posts that 195 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: made me smile. It also let us know that life 196 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 1: is about a journey and you never know how you 197 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: will reconnect with a person. And is that person humble? 198 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: Is that person ready to accept where you're at where 199 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: they were versus where they were met when y'all met 200 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: the first time around. Tell everybody about the Rolanda Watching 201 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: relationship and the post that is one of my favorite posts. 202 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: I'm just tell you, John, what I saw that I 203 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: shared it, I liked it and because I love Orlonda 204 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: Watsontre and I totally respect who you are and watch 205 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: your journey from Tom Jonas now. But that was a 206 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: post that meant something to me absolutely, Richard. You know, 207 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,200 Speaker 1: when I was a student in college, well first before 208 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: they mean, when I was a student in high school, 209 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: we took a class trip to New York City and 210 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: we sat in the audience of the Rolonda Watcher and 211 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: I'll never get LaToya Jackson was the guest, and and 212 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 1: you know, and so then by the time I got 213 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: to college, I uh, I was a last key kid 214 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: with Sean so So talk shows where my babysitters. I 215 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: get home after school, I let myself into the house 216 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: and Ricky Lake and Rolanda and Montell Williams, those are 217 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: my babysitters. So I remember hearing of Ricky Lake story 218 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: and how she was discovered fresh out of college and 219 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: she was the youngest talk show host in the in 220 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: the in the business. And I thought that was gonna 221 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: be my trajectory. I thought, I went down to Norfolk 222 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: State shout out to anybody that went to hbc U, 223 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: and I thought I was gonna go to this historically 224 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: blite college somebody who was gonna realize how gifted I 225 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 1: was and give me a talk show, and so in 226 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: an effort to do that, I uh went on the 227 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: Rolanda show at the time with the young lady I 228 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: was dating and professor my love for her because I 229 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: thought going on Rolanda show uh and and being on there, 230 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: she was gonna be like, Oh, he's the one, we 231 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: gotta give him a talk show next. It didn't happen, 232 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: um and so uh. But once I once I left 233 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: school and started working for in the business, and you know, 234 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: my first act was that of an entertainment news writer 235 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: and one of the first interviews I actually did was 236 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 1: with roland the Watts. I went to l A h 237 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: to the Soul Trade Awards as a guest of Coca 238 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: Cola at the time, and went to this restaurant with 239 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: my mentor, the legendary media personality Tanya Hart and her husband, 240 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: and Rolanda came and stopped by the restaurant to say 241 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: hello to me, to meet me in person. And so 242 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: she as someone who I was a fan of, who 243 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: I aspired to have a morsel of the success that 244 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,839 Speaker 1: she had in the business, and then someone at one 245 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: point that I ultimately became friends with. And so when 246 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: we were mapping out uh and shaping what we wanted 247 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: to Shay Show to be. We were talking about voices 248 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: and voiceover. There were several people we were looking at, 249 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: and Sherry looked at me one day and said, I've 250 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: always loved the uniqueness and the richness of Rolanda's voice, 251 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: and that's what I want to hear right before I 252 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: walked through the door. And so to not only have 253 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: roland to be the voice of our show, but to 254 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: have her come and sit in the audience on our 255 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: premier episode really was a full circle moment for me 256 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 1: because I went from sitting in the audience of her 257 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: talk show as a high school kid to her being 258 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: in the show that I'm executive producing alongside Sherry Shepherd, 259 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: And it really was a true full circle moment. Now 260 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: we say the worries that coutive producing. We're gonna talk 261 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: about that in a minute. But sometimes I see your face. 262 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 1: You're a handsome face on TV comments. So so when 263 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:26,719 Speaker 1: you say Roshan. When I graduated from Norfolk, I went 264 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: up to Rolanda, I'll try to be a talk show host. 265 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 1: I'm not saying you talk to your host, but you 266 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: make an appearances on the successful talk to your job 267 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: talk about that from your creative standpoint, How did that 268 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 1: come about? Because it's very effective. Thank you, Rachelle. You listen, 269 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: I grew up wanting to be like the Black Regions 270 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: film and Black Tom bergeron. I love guys like our 271 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: Cineo and and this opportunity has almost made me like 272 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: the Black Guilman. And anybody who watched Regis and Kathy 273 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: Lee or Ryan and Kelly you know that they have 274 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: an executive producer who sometimes appears on camera. Or if 275 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: you of a generation older than me, clearly you remember 276 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: maybe like Johnny Carson and Ed McMahon, you know. And 277 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: so yes, I've been wrangled into the on camera executive 278 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: producer role and it's great. You know. Again, one of 279 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: the things that really work, particularly in the daytime space 280 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: for Sean and you know this is that authentic chemistry works, 281 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: you know, and the fact that Sherry and I have 282 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: a real life relationship in addition to our working relationship, 283 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: it resonates with people on camera. And so she was 284 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: just telling me the conversation the other day that one 285 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: of the things that she loves to hear about is 286 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: people just love to hear us have our moments on camera. 287 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: You know, and that we are able to thread our 288 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 1: real life experiences into some of these wonky and funny 289 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: and hilarious stories. You know, sometimes I'm teasing her as 290 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: we're talking about something that may have to do with 291 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: divorce because you know, I didn't want her to marry 292 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: that that second knuckle here, or or sometimes because Sherry 293 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: is like a real life I love Lucy. She for 294 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: gets a FACTORID or something and a story or something 295 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: that she's talking about, and because I'm like this top 296 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: culture enthusiasts, I'm able to shoot in the blaks and 297 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: and help her continue the journey. So man, it's it's 298 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: it's really a beautiful thing. It's a magical thing. But 299 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 1: more than anything, this is an authentic presentation of how 300 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: we are in real life. Well, you know, I was 301 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: fortunate to be an executive producer of a successful daytime 302 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: talk and I'm a black man, and uh, I'm always 303 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: happy to hear our black sisters being executive producers these shows, 304 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: these news programs, but rarely do we see black men 305 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: being in this capacity because there's daytime talk, and daytime 306 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: talk supposed to be focused on women, so we generally 307 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: not looked upon of having the proper voice, especially because 308 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: we're African American, that will relate to the white soccer 309 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: mom who's fifty one years old in the Midwest, you 310 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: being our turn. Banks was on the show, and I 311 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: was actually up there when she was taking that particular 312 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: episode talking about black men executive ducing, and that really 313 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: meant something to deal it? Did it? Did? Rashaan? Let 314 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: me tell you, um that that was really special because 315 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: I've never met really Tyra Banks before. Um. I think 316 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: I saw her in passing sometime. We've never had a moment. 317 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: And so before our show, both Sherry and I individually 318 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: go up and we greet our guests and we welcome them, uh, 319 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: you know, to our home. And it really sets the 320 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: tone for people's experience at the show, um, because you know, 321 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: they feel safe, they know that they're coming to a 322 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: place that there's no gotcha moments and we're not ambushing anybody, 323 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: like come and have a good time with us. And 324 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: so I went up to me to greet Tyra Banks, 325 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 1: and you know, one of our producers here at Sherry 326 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: used to be her personal assistant and Tyra Banks had 327 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: shot her talk show in the very same studio that 328 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: we're in right now. And so this producer, who has 329 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: his own office now, used to work inside of the 330 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: dressing room where Sherry's dressing room is. And so Tyra's 331 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: I'm telling Tyra, did you do you know your former 332 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: producer Joe Colo Sante is uh, your former assistant, Joe 333 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: was a producer here. She had no idea, so she 334 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: had me go get Joe so she could see him. 335 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 1: And and so by the time they had had their 336 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: a minute, we got down and take these the segments 337 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:05,920 Speaker 1: for the show. After Tyra's second segment, she asked me 338 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: because she gave me a hug, and I said absolutely, 339 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 1: And she says, I just have to tell you seeing 340 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 1: you here inspires me. She says, because when I was 341 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: doing this, there weren't blackmail executive producers. And she said, 342 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: my manager at the time, as a black man. He 343 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 1: got the executive producer credit, but he wasn't actually doing 344 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: the work. They tell me, you're actually doing the work. 345 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 1: And I want to say to you, keep doing it 346 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: because I'm inspired at seeing you here. Man. It touched 347 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: me because the truth of the matter is, there have 348 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 1: not been a lot of us for Shan. You know, 349 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: you worked in the space. You know, Twitch became an 350 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: executive producer at Ellen and that's a good brother there. 351 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: He reached out to me and and was so supportive 352 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: when I was going through my journey. Um, and you know, 353 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: and they've been one or two others in the space, 354 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: but they're few and far between. And you know, not 355 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 1: only had did what Tyres had to be meant a lot, 356 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: but um Heather Gray, who was the executive producer in 357 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: the showrun at the Talk, who passed this summer uh past, 358 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: three days before we were supposed to meet in person, 359 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: because over the last year she and I had become 360 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: fast friends. At once this opportunity presented itself. She was 361 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 1: one of the people who was there with me at 362 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: every turn, encouraging me, coaching me, giving me insight on 363 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: my journey. I also got to acknowledge the great Bill Getty, 364 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,959 Speaker 1: who helped create the View with Barbara Walters. He was 365 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: so wonderful to me while I was going through my 366 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 1: negotiations and taking this pivot with Sherry to make sure 367 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: I was empowered with information and tools and knowledge that 368 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: I needed to be effective in this space. And when 369 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: we're all stepping into a new area, you know, we 370 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: all need community. You know. Sometimes people like to hold 371 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: stuff close to the invest and we'd like to move 372 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: in secrecy. And it's great to be discreet about the 373 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: things you have going on, but sometimes you have to 374 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: lean into the excellence that other people have and let 375 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: them give you a perspective that's going to sharpen your iron. 376 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: And I was grateful to have a community of people 377 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: that rose up for me because folks knew it was 378 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 1: important for me to be on this journey with Sherry, 379 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: and it was important for me to make a substantial 380 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: impact doing this work. Which is really important for you 381 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: for me to hear come out from your voice because 382 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,479 Speaker 1: in the sense that you know you're doing things, Sherry 383 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: is your corner store. John talking to John Murray exact, 384 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: one of the exactive producers of the the show that 385 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 1: their hit series. You know, because when you see these ratings, 386 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: you you don't know, John, You know, all you do 387 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: is just work hard, work hard, work hard. You don't 388 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: know what American's gonna say. You know, you had Jennifer 389 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: Hudson popping out there. You know, you know you're doing 390 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: You don't know if people is perceiving you or in 391 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: the animosity and they negative takeover for Wendy. Y'all, y'all 392 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: been doing this good spirit and stuff. But you know 393 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: you're doing uncensored. You're about to do a moderating the uh, 394 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: your moderator for the Lewis Cards the Blueprint Men Summit 395 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 1: in Chicago coming up this month. When you're doing these 396 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: things outside, how are people reacted to you? Mr Murray? Well, 397 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: you know what, Sean, one of the blessings that I 398 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,959 Speaker 1: had before going on the journey with Sherry was that, uh, 399 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 1: I was like a road m c man. I was 400 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: always on the weekend hosting events, holding the microphone on 401 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: a plane in the hotel, and I really loved it. 402 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: It was you know, it was the thing that was 403 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 1: my constant in between the inconsistency of the TV world. UM, 404 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: what I'm grateful about is a lot of that is 405 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: being enhanced now that that I'm on this journey with sharing, 406 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: because because I'm one of a few people who are 407 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: thriving in the space where black men haven't had great success, 408 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: you know, we are few and far between. Um, people 409 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: want to want to hear about that, they want to 410 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: learn about that, and UM, you know, and I'm open 411 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: to sharing and encouraging and inspiring. So it's great to 412 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: be able to move back in some of the same 413 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: space as I've already had success in with this, with 414 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: this new victory under my belt, you know, I'm excited 415 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 1: to go to Chicago and do this UH the summit 416 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 1: with Lewis Carr, because the truth of the matter is, 417 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: there are not a lot of spaces where uh safe 418 00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: places where black man can find refuge and community with 419 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 1: each other. Like if you didn't pledge one of the 420 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: HBCU Greek letter fraternities, Um, you don't necessarily unless you 421 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: grew up in a house full of brothers. There are 422 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: always places that once you reach a certain level of 423 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: success or you're thriving in a particular area professionally, that 424 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 1: that you can find safety and refuge with each other, 425 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: you know. And so I'm grateful to be going to 426 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: a place that it was a summit built just around 427 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 1: this men finding black men finding success in their respective 428 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: genres coming together for an informative, empowering and informational two 429 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: day summit. I mean, I'm grateful that both Lewis and 430 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 1: the Cole Pittman who works with him on it. I 431 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: thought enough of me to invite me long before the 432 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: show premiered, to come in and play a part in this. 433 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: And so I'm in a place, uh Shaun, and you 434 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 1: know this journey because you've done it yourself. That not 435 00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: only am I helping to shape great content for the 436 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 1: masses to have, but one of the things that most 437 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 1: excites me is that there are some other people who 438 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,959 Speaker 1: have been working in this business, great talent who've been 439 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: on the sidelines, experts in various fields, underdog, unsung talent 440 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: that we've been able to put in the game, that 441 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: we've been able to give opportunity to, that we've been 442 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: able to give a platform to shine. And that's one 443 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: of the things that means more than me than anything, 444 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 1: taking a chance on people who can maximize this opportunity 445 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: and use it to do some other great things. You know, 446 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: Sherry always talks about chef Melbourne Wilson, who if you've 447 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: ever come to New York City, everybody goes up to 448 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,439 Speaker 1: Melbourne and Harlem um. But but Melbourne has become a 449 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: dynamic TV chef. She's had such great success her philanthropic work. 450 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: But we had her join us a few times when 451 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: Sherry was guest hosting for Wendy Williams and not that 452 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 1: that opportunity contributed to her next blessing. But shortly thereafter 453 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: she got called in to guest hosts with Ryan Seacrest 454 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: on Live with Kelly and Ryan. What is the number 455 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: one show and all of the daytime? Nobody else does? 456 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: I mean outside of the View, but they are the 457 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: number one show in syndication, which the View as a 458 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 1: network TV show. But for Melba as a black woman 459 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: to be able to go and have that opportunity after 460 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 1: coming and and and helping cooking up a little bit 461 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: of matter with us, that's what we want to do. Man. 462 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,200 Speaker 1: We wanna, we wanna help shine a light on people 463 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: who need brighter lights shine on them. For sure, we'll 464 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: be right back with more Money Making Conversations Masterclass with 465 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: Rushan McDonald. Now, let's return to Money Making Conversations master 466 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: Class with Rashan McDonald. I've always enjoyed your personnel. I've 467 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: always enjoyed it. Your mind. You're smart, very very smart, 468 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: very informed, and never and your person I was always engaging. 469 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: I never felt like you know a lot of people 470 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 1: are can feel they cover our men who are successful 471 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: and feel challenged or feeling secure. You never shine that 472 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: light of you like in other words, you got your 473 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 1: place in the room. You're cool with it. Just let 474 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: me do my thing. If it expands a little bit, 475 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 1: don't get nervous. I'm just doing my thing. That it's 476 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: canned competition, it's called competition. But then you come through 477 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 1: this whole world. I've seen your journey for a long time. 478 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: If you could point out one person that may have 479 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: been instrumental in your entertainment arc, who would that be? Oh, 480 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: you know, there's some there's actually some really good people 481 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: that have helped me a lot. You know, I talked 482 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: about meeting my mentor the living legend media personality, telling 483 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: your heart. But I often celebrate how when I was 484 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,600 Speaker 1: a college kid, who so sean, I still look like 485 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,959 Speaker 1: a young man. But I'm in my forties, so like 486 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: I'm kind of in that in between faith. So like, yes, 487 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 1: I'm in. I'm in the streets and social media. You know, 488 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: I'm popping, I'm learning the lingo all the twenties something. 489 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: Your producers here keeping me hip and stuff. I may 490 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: dive my hair every few weeks to make sure you grade. 491 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 1: Don't come in that type of day but but I'm 492 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: also up the generation that like UH, I remember life 493 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: before social media was our everything, and before before al 494 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: Gore's Internet was our everything, And so I remember what 495 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 1: it was like to have to go to a convention 496 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: and shake hands and take a deep breath before you 497 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: had to network and introduce yourself to somebody. So I 498 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: remember getting the number to the E network UH from 499 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: a phone book. I called over to the network while 500 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: I was a student at Norfolk State University, and I 501 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: left a voicemail message for a producer that was producing 502 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: the show that Tan Your Heart was doing on E 503 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: at the time. And she called this young college student 504 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: back and was like, the producer called me and gave 505 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 1: me your number, and I just had to call and 506 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: see who this ambitious young man was that reached out 507 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 1: to me and said he was really inspired by my career. 508 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 1: And Tanya sat on the phone with a perfect stranger 509 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: and a dorm run down to North Virginia and talked 510 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: to me for ninety minutes, and at the end of 511 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: that call, she said to me, I can't wait to 512 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: meet you in person. And if forever there's an opportunity 513 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: where you're applying for a job, just put my company 514 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,479 Speaker 1: on your resident and say you're one of my East 515 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 1: Coast contributors. And just having somebody take a chance on 516 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: me like that Site Unseen really helped, you know what 517 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 1: I'm saying. And then, Uh, there's a personality on Serious 518 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: XM's heart and soul. Her name is Michelle Wright. I 519 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: was an intern at a radio station in Washington, d C. 520 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,879 Speaker 1: And Michelle saw this ambitious, hungry intern and took me 521 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 1: under her wing and had me start to help produce 522 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 1: content for her midday show. And when I went back 523 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: to college that fall, Michelle started paying me out of 524 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 1: her pocket and sending me a stipend to help create 525 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: this content for her for her midday show. So she 526 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: was technically my first boss in the business because she's 527 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: the first person ever paid me to do work in 528 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: the entertainment industry. So both of those women are two 529 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: women that have been very pivotal and very key in 530 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: my success, and they've been so many other great people. 531 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,159 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, Rachelle, there were times when I was 532 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: being I was being tested for a game show and 533 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: I called you, and you really walked me through the 534 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 1: nuances and the house and the how nots and you 535 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: know what to do and what not to do. Is 536 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,439 Speaker 1: while I was on that journey and then you were 537 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: talking earlier about like owning my space and and and 538 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 1: not feeling competitive with other people. And I have to say, 539 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: my big brother rolland Martin said something to me years 540 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 1: ago that always stuck with me. He was like, came 541 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: nobody out rolling Roller Martin, and he was like, you know, 542 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna beat me, and I'm gonna beat me unapologetically. 543 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: And the reason why I never did intimidated by any 544 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,360 Speaker 1: of my peers is I know, when I show up, 545 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: whether it's John the personality, you know, the TV talent, 546 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: the host, or whether it's John the producer, John the brains, 547 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: John the strategist, John the visionary, the creative, I know 548 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: that I bring my best self to all of those situations. 549 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: And if for some reason people like what you do 550 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: different than I do, that that's your blessing, that's not mine. 551 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: So I've never been nervous or intimidated by it by 552 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: being embody else's spaces because you came out John John Murray, 553 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 1: you know. And so that was one of the gifts 554 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: that Roland Martin got me, and it really helps shape 555 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: my approaches because we can't slip into accidental competitiveness. We 556 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 1: can't slip into these toxic behaviors of wanting or emulating 557 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: or desiring what we see other people who have. But 558 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 1: the other thing that I've learned through trial and there 559 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: is prishan. I don't know the story behind your glory 560 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: and so it looks good on the outside, but I 561 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 1: might not want to go through the sleepless nights and 562 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: the crying morments and and the bankruptcies are whatever other 563 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 1: things you had to go through to become excellence that 564 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: you are. I don't. I may not want to go 565 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: through all that. So finding my own path and my 566 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: own journey is the best path for me because the 567 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: struggles and the obstacles that I've had to face to 568 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: get to this point, I wouldn't want to share those 569 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: with anybody else, And you don't want to share yours 570 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: with me, you know, I tell you you can't out 571 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: John John Mervin. You need to put that on the 572 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: on the wall because that that fits you. You can't. 573 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: That's beautiful. And I know Rolling Mark, so I know 574 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: he's he is the truth. And I remember when he 575 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: left the TV one when he show got counsel and 576 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: he talked to me, Richard, what I'm gonna do? I said, 577 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: once you just start doing your show on YouTube. He said, how, 578 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: I said, what? You just take control of your narrative. 579 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: Sometimes all you gotta do is self tells somebody something 580 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: and they hear it and guess what. He's been controlling 581 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: this narrative. And the only person can counsel rolling is rolling. 582 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: That's the beauty of him living his life now, highly successful, 583 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: thousands of subscribers, generating revenue, revenue for him personally. All 584 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,480 Speaker 1: he has to do is produce content. But my friend, 585 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: and I call you my friend because coming up in 586 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: New York and see him, you and Sherry you executive 587 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: producing you all from your all phones aside talking to 588 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: her on I love y'all, man, I love you as 589 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: a as a young man who is doing something very 590 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: inspirational in his business. It's your time, is your time 591 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: and social media. Continue to speak, continue to carry that 592 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: that trophy, that trophy of honesty, that trophy of being 593 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: able to get it done because you can't. John, John, Mary, 594 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: thank you for coming to Money Make conversation. I have 595 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: to send this on my way out, though. If you 596 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: really loved me. You send me one of those cakes 597 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: you'll be baking now. I'm tired of seeing this good 598 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: food and not tasting any oven. Okay, you know when 599 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: I was up there, John, you said, Rochan, we're gonna 600 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: bring you on the show, teach you back up being 601 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: a cook. For if I got to book you to 602 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: eat your cake, then that didn't translate. Well, if I 603 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: got to book you to eat some of your good food, 604 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: then we're gonna that's what we're gonna make. Absolutely my brother. 605 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: I love your brother. We talked soon that tell Sherry High, Okay, 606 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: I will. They're gonna come to want to make conversation masterclasses, John, 607 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: because you get out John. John Murray, executive producer of 608 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: Sherry