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Speaker 1: bath thump every day.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, good morning, sweel and welcome to the Not

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Speaker 2: Dunks Podcast presented by Amazon Prime.

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Speaker 3: It's Thursday, May twenty ninth, twenty twenty five. I'm Jay

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Speaker 3: Skeets here in the Classic Factory and alongside me, as

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Speaker 3: always Task Melist, this show.

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Speaker 4: Will show more fight than the Minnesota Timberwolves in Game

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Speaker 4: five of the Western Conference Finals.

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Speaker 3: Next to him, it's the Bearded One, a top shot boy,

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Speaker 3: Trey Kirby heyo, hey yo. And last but not least,

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Speaker 3: over Yonder making the magic happen, super producer JD.

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Speaker 1: Helly.

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Speaker 3: There he is here, we are. You must have loved

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Speaker 3: that cold open, JD, because you are a man who

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Speaker 3: loves a bath.

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Speaker 4: I'm with you, Willem, I'm with you in the bath.

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Speaker 4: I will, of course, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't have a bath in this house. That's the problem.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Interesting, Yeah, I didn't know that news to me too.

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Speaker 3: Wow. Well you know what, let's help out, JD. Let's

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Speaker 3: hit the late like button, let's subscribe, let's leave the

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Speaker 3: pull all of that support into a tub.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, get it in here.

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Speaker 1: There you go, I got everything. There you go.

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Speaker 3: We got some slop to talk about today. Slop season

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Speaker 3: has started for us as we start running out of

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Speaker 3: basketball games to talk about. We'll get into what are

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Speaker 3: the Sixers going to do with their third pick overall?

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Speaker 3: to the Clippers. It's slop season. We'll get into all that,

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Speaker 3: but we do have a game to talk about here.

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Speaker 3: The Thunder dominated the Wolves one, twenty four to ninety

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Speaker 3: four at home last night. They win the conference finals

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Speaker 3: twenty twelve, the last time okase was there. Game five, though,

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Speaker 3: task just a complete performance by Okasee on both sides

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Speaker 4: I thought that the Timberwolves would fight. Rudy Gobert before

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Speaker 4: this game said, we're at our best when we're in

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Speaker 4: survival mode. Backs against the wall. They were cornered. How

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Speaker 4: They just prounced on him, and they just weren't ready

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Speaker 4: It was clear Alex CRUs was doing freaking push ups

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Speaker 4: twenty in the first quarter. That's not good. You know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is worse than last year. This is one

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Speaker 1: pretty resilient all year long, but Minnesota had more turnovers

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Speaker 1: what an incredible first quarter, Skeets. I assume this is

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Speaker 1: They called him demons so much. Richard Jefferson said, how

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Speaker 3: you said then SGA on the other end, orchestrating everything.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the thunder Air absolutely rolling. They had a long series.

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Speaker 4: You know, we got Caruso having four steels in one bucket,

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Speaker 4: they were absolutely just praying on this Timberwolves team that

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Speaker 1: They was Jane had a step back three in this game.

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Speaker 4: but it just it trickles out. The trickle down effect

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Breen was even like Mike Breen who never like yeah,

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Speaker 3: So he's awesome. They're awesome.

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Speaker 3: It's one of the best defenses we've ever seen. That's

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Speaker 3: Okay. See this team Thunder twenty twenty five drawing a

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Speaker 3: we'll see if obviously the Thunder and you believe this

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Speaker 1: Wins fifteenth Warriors or twenty five Thunder.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's fun like that.

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Speaker 4: I'm taking the Thunder, I think my biased Yeah, way,

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Speaker 1: They founder would like to give up three point attempts? Yeah,

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Speaker 4: That Warriors splash brows there corners. They're running those picks

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Man was an old guy. Yeah, I would personally take

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Speaker 3: Team fourteen to fifteen. Sure, there's no wrong answer, no

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Speaker 3: one can know. Do you have any other game notes

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Speaker 3: or do you guys wanted to spin it into Oklahoma City?

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Speaker 1: Right now is eight and one at home with a

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Speaker 3: Was the one game they lost by two points.

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Speaker 4: It was Game one against the Denver.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, exactly what I should have won Aaron Gordon

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if you if you're gonna do a rose colored

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Speaker 4: They had eight days off, just like they'll have. Well,

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Speaker 4: I guess they'll have seven days off before Game one

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Speaker 4: be positive about that. But they're on such a role

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Speaker 4: to round four, So that's different.

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Speaker 3: All right, Let's get into some random notes JD. Random, man,

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Speaker 3: it was such an ass kicking. We don't even have

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Speaker 3: the first one is what's your reaction to the West

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Speaker 3: got an email right away, Hey, get your Western Conference

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Speaker 3: champions T shirts and hats? And those were the hats

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Speaker 1: What do we think?

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Speaker 3: I mean? I asked you this every season.

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Speaker 1: Those are nice hats.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you didn't mind the hat.

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Speaker 1: That's a good finals hat, Okay, very big. There was

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Speaker 1: that thing looking like a billboard. Okay, you want to

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Speaker 1: make it a little ostentatious, and it certainly is. The

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Speaker 3: They are so bad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you wouldn't be happy to see this as a

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Speaker 3: I think you're right. A lot of the giveaways of

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Speaker 3: like they're a little more creative with them. But okay,

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to agree. Yeah, the gray is very

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Speaker 4: man it's kind of dead. I will say, put them

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Speaker 4: they would look way better than this Airborne jersey shirt.

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Speaker 4: That's yeah, it looks like can nice PJ. Maybe it

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Speaker 4: looks like sleep shirt. It doesn't look all that cool

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Speaker 3: No, Yeah, I can't disagree.

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Speaker 3: game where it's like just you know, they're all there.

433
00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:27,760
Speaker 3: It's not like, I don't think these NBA two game

434
00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,159
Speaker 3: games have like missing people in seats. I don't think

435
00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,199
Speaker 3: they're that realistic. So that's what it looks like. It

436
00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,280
Speaker 3: looks amazing. And they do like the color blocking there

437
00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,040
Speaker 3: with the white and blue in some of those games.

438
00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,120
Speaker 1: And they got to party for like two hours straight, right,

439
00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:40,800
Speaker 1: that's pretty cool.

440
00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:46,200
Speaker 3: That was like from the jump, Yes, okay, what else?

441
00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:46,520
Speaker 3: What else?

442
00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,080
Speaker 4: Just wanted to make a note of Shay Gilders Alexander

443
00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:53,199
Speaker 4: going into half wondering what he was doing exactly, because

444
00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,199
Speaker 4: I just saw his mouth. I saw his face and

445
00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,679
Speaker 4: he looked like Shay sniffs Alexander. He was just smelling.

446
00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,520
Speaker 4: It was I thought he was literally saying to the guys,

447
00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,520
Speaker 4: I can smell the finals. We're up sixty five thirty two,

448
00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,840
Speaker 4: we're almost there. He just like he's greeting everybody, he's

449
00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:11,680
Speaker 4: high fiving everybody, and then he just looks like you

450
00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:12,440
Speaker 4: starts sniffing.

451
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,440
Speaker 3: Okay, maybe kisses.

452
00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:15,440
Speaker 4: Though they could be kisses.

453
00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,239
Speaker 3: It looks like the guys are laughing here. You can

454
00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:18,600
Speaker 3: see like.

455
00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:23,760
Speaker 4: Jalen Williams chat saying something, yes he offering them kisses

456
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,760
Speaker 4: or is he saying the finals are common.

457
00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,600
Speaker 3: I can sniff it. Sniff that, Yeah, you smell that.

458
00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:29,600
Speaker 3: That's the NBA finals.

459
00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,080
Speaker 4: Let's go. Let's somebody ask him, somebody, we have a week.

460
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,120
Speaker 4: This is this is officially the time where you got

461
00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,000
Speaker 4: to find out things you have questions about, absolutely things,

462
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,159
Speaker 4: things that don't matter at all. Right, this is the

463
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,000
Speaker 4: time to find out if he was sniffing or if

464
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,680
Speaker 4: he was kissing. I don't think he was kissing. I

465
00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,159
Speaker 4: don't think. I don't think he's saying, hey, guys, you

466
00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,080
Speaker 4: want to kiss nat. I think he's saying the finals

467
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:52,440
Speaker 4: are coming.

468
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:54,400
Speaker 1: Okay, somebody asking what you got?

469
00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:54,679
Speaker 4: Ye?

470
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,760
Speaker 3: What did you think about how they celebrated overall tray

471
00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,000
Speaker 3: like perfect balance between you know, the Western Conference champs.

472
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:02,920
Speaker 3: But let's not get ahead and of ourselves. We want

473
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,919
Speaker 3: to obviously win the whole thing. Do you think they

474
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 3: were too happy? Like? I love this debate. I love them.

475
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:09,399
Speaker 3: Don't touch the trophy? What are you doing?

476
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:12,080
Speaker 1: They would never do it if they had Kobe Bryant

477
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,719
Speaker 1: as their leader, or if they were an NHL hockey team, Right,

478
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 1: they don't care at all about the Oscar Robertson trophy.

479
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Panthers didn't touch the hardware last night.

480
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. And they got a championship, right, they

481
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 1: already have one from last season, so maybe that one

482
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that much to them. Kind of like Kobe

483
00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 1: Bryant is similar, right, Like he had titles. He doesn't

484
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 1: care about winning. Yeah, the Western Conference Finals, these guys should. Yeah,

485
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:33,399
Speaker 1: and they're gonna get the next one anyway, so it

486
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. My favorite part of the celebration was

487
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 1: Mark Dagnall during his postgame interview. The quote was their professional,

488
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 1: their high character. Crowd goes crazy, they throw towels on him.

489
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 1: They put a big old hat on them. They're idiots.

490
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 1: Great line, bad guy.

491
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,639
Speaker 3: It was a good pop. Yeah. I did like to

492
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,720
Speaker 3: like SGA got the Western Conference Finals MVP, and you know,

493
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:00,199
Speaker 3: he grabbed it and he held it up and you know,

494
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:01,879
Speaker 3: get your photos and all that. But then he was

495
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,400
Speaker 3: like trying to give it away, but nobody else really

496
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,320
Speaker 3: wanted it except Kenrich Williams. Finally took it and he

497
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 3: seemed happy to hold it, but everybody else, I don't

498
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 3: want to hold it. It's not mine, it's yours. But

499
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 3: for some reason he got it back to ken Rich Williams,

500
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 3: who was like okay, I'll take it. He seemed pretty

501
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 3: excited to hold it, so I always love that one

502
00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 3: note from the game. I forgot to bring this up

503
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 3: when we were talking about the game. Although it's like

504
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 3: obviously random Breen. In the second quarter, there was a

505
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,040
Speaker 3: funny exchange that he said on the on the mic

506
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 3: ball knocked loose, Williams to Wallace, that's William Wallace. Nothing

507
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:40,080
Speaker 3: nothing from burker RJ though. You gotta drop a Scotland forever,

508
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 3: like you got to help him out, like I think.

509
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,119
Speaker 1: But High Heart not a movie that's in the public

510
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 1: consciousness right now, I guess not.

511
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:52,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, but just like that he amused himself by saying it.

512
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 3: You could tell Williamsallas that's William Wallace.

513
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 1: That's how you know. It was just like freestyling movie

514
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 1: that it was in the second quarter was the second quarter.

515
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: It was a blowout also in the Australian realm. I'm

516
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,159
Speaker 1: saying this because, of course mel Gibson the star not

517
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 1: a Scottish man. I did this morning while watching stuff.

518
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:19,119
Speaker 1: I saw the Shay JDub and Check commercial again and

519
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 1: I finally got that they're supposed to be dressed like

520
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: Angus Young of ACDC. I've seen this commercial literally fifty

521
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,800
Speaker 1: thousand times and I just got it. But I asked

522
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 1: the stream team, I said, did you know that that

523
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 1: was they're supposed to be dressed like Angus Young? Eighty

524
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 1: five percent said no, Yeah, that's shocking to me, But

525
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: I mean that's ac DC is less in the public

526
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 1: consciousness than Braveheart is.

527
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, yeah, that's too old. That's old.

528
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, they put a jacket on a jacket in that one,

529
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 1: because the joke is that they all show up dressed together,

530
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: but then the second joke is that they're all dressed

531
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Speaker 1: like a seventy year old man.

532
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

533
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess you didn't need the second part or

534
00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: the first.

535
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 3: I don't need anything, don't be honest, But I think

536
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 3: I knew it because I mean I'm old, So yeah,

537
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 3: I understand a CDC and Angus Young and dresses like

538
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 3: a schoolboy. But it's like I remember when I first

539
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,679
Speaker 3: saw the commercials, like why are they dressed like this?

540
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 3: Like this is I know everything goes in fashion nowadays,

541
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 3: but it was a weird, Like it's got the yeah,

542
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 3: the weird tie obviously undone and y colors and then

543
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 3: the hat even it was like, that is a strange,

544
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 3: strange choice, and then oh, thunderstruck. Yeah, they're the thunder

545
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 3: I guess they're all dressing like that.

546
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, that's a good thing about seeing it

547
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: so many times is that you finally just bet new

548
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 1: things every time you see it.

549
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 3: Now you love it.

550
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, now I'm gonna get it. Now it's finally clicked

551
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,719
Speaker 1: for it. So that was exciting.

552
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: Uh.

553
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 3: Can I get your opinion on this tweet from Dragonfly

554
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 3: Jones last night? Uh? He wrote it was cool as

555
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 3: hell when Anthony Edwards was walking from Crypto back to

556
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 3: his hotel and talking his shit about bouncing the Lakers. Now,

557
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 3: after the rest of his showing this postseason, he can't

558
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 3: do no shit like that again until he gets a ring. Sorry, man,

559
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 3: I don't make the rules. It is what it is.

560
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, okay, do you agree or disagree? TK,

561
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 3: I'll start with you on this idea of like, Okay,

562
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 3: you know Ant's a big personality, but you've come up

563
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 3: short here, had a pretty bad series. They shut you down.

564
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 3: You gotta like sort of chill with that until you

565
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 3: maybe sort of at least get to the finals or

566
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 3: win the ring.

567
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: Agree or disagree one hundred percent disagree. Okay, keep talking trash.

568
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: Tyre's Halliburton got voted the most overrated player in the

569
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: NBA because he's a front runner. He doesn't talk trash

570
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,639
Speaker 1: when his team is behind. Anthony Edwards. His team is

571
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: down right now, he should still be talking trash. But

572
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: people also un earthed a video of Ant talking trash

573
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,880
Speaker 1: about the Suns only having thirty points in the third

574
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: quarter of an elimination game from when they got bounced

575
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: by the Mavericks year ago or years ago, and he's

576
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 1: like recording the scream, Oh, come on, guys, you only

577
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: got thirty points in the third quarter. The same thing happened.

578
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 1: But I think like Ant can handle that kind of stuff.

579
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: He always takes it on himself as the first guy

580
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 1: to accept responsibility for a loss and take accountability for

581
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. So if you're like, you should

582
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: stop talking trash, He's like, yeah, well I was wrong.

583
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: They got me. You should talk trash to me when

584
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: I'm down, and they should because Ant, I think this

585
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: series proved he's got a lot of work to do

586
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: to get to the level that people are kind of

587
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: already trying to put him on like you. Some people

588
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: would argue that he's near Shake guil Just Alexander's level,

589
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 1: and it is not close. He's got to figure out

590
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: a way to blend his playmaking and scoring. It seems

591
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 1: like he can be good at one or the other.

592
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: Right now. He was much more aggressive driving last night,

593
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: where he saw in Game four that he was looking

594
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: to pass the ball even though the defenses were kind

595
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: of similar. He needs a mid range game, like I

596
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 1: think you're seeing with Shake guil Just Alexander being able

597
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: to get in that mid range we've seen for decades

598
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: in the NBA that's super valuable in high leverage playoff situations.

599
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 1: Because this is not totally dissimilar to the way the

600
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: Mavericks guarded him last year kind of took him out

601
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: of the series as well, and then he's got to

602
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: get it in a little bit better shape. He should

603
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: be guarding Shake gil Just Alexander. He should be more

604
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 1: of a defensive presents able to carry the load on

605
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: both ends for Minnesota. So I think there's a lot

606
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 1: of work for Anthony Edwards to do. But guess what,

607
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 1: he's a great worker. He was an okay three point

608
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 1: shooter and then he came back as maybe the best

609
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: three point shooter in the league this year, so he

610
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 1: can definitely get better, but he's still got a ways

611
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 1: to go to get the SGA's level.

612
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 4: I'm fine with him trash talking, though I do think

613
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 4: it is his This is forte. I mean, that's what

614
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 4: he does, and I think he's good at it and

615
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 4: he's comfortable at taking it upon himself, as you said, Trace,

616
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 4: So I'm totally fine. I actually thought, initially because this

617
00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 4: tweet shows a photo of three characters podcasting, I thought

618
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 4: the comment about he gets a ring a sorry, was

619
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 4: about a ring light that he needs while podcasting, you know,

620
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 4: the circular lights. But it's about him getting a ring

621
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 4: and I think he's on his He's on his way.

622
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 4: I mean he is super duper young, on his way.

623
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know if he's going to get there,

624
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 4: but I think he's on the correct path. That at

625
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 4: twenty three year old here just after five years and

626
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 4: the NBA is totally fine not having a ring He's

627
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 4: on the right path.

628
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean going to two conference finals is something

629
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 3: for sure. Now he's get over that hump. But twenty

630
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 3: three years old, I do forget that he feels like

631
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 3: he's been around so much longer, and like he feels

632
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 3: he feels like SGA's age if I'm being honest, Like

633
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 3: I have him in my head as like a twenty

634
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 3: five to twenty six year old, but he's got a

635
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 3: couple of years on him.

636
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 4: So yeah. The scary part is he gets to a

637
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 4: second conference finals back to back years, same amount of games,

638
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 4: with a different roster, So I think you can give

639
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 4: him a little bit of credit for that. But here

640
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 4: comes the Thunder and this is an even better team

641
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 4: than they played last year in the Dallas Mavericks. The

642
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 4: Thunder are just they're just growing now. Yeah, and that's

643
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 4: the scary part. If we're going to hang out in

644
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 4: the West with this thunder team, like we'll get to

645
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 4: here in slop season, are you going to try and

646
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 4: level up against the Thunder when the Thunder are there?

647
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 4: It is the time now, right here, right now, when

648
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 4: they have only one potentially one title or already a

649
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 4: gear down and decide, you know, maybe we trade down.

650
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 4: We'll see here as as we get to slop season. Baby,

651
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 4: there's so many teams in the West that are thinking

652
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 4: that way.

653
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 3: It is crazy that from March second through the start

654
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 3: of the conference finals, Minnesota went twenty five and six.

655
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 3: You know, we talked about this, they were awesome. Then

656
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 3: in five games against the Thunder, they lost four of them,

657
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 3: including three INOKC, by a combined seventy one points. So

658
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 3: they just got hammered. And they have decisions to make

659
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 3: here And I don't know if you want to get

660
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 3: into it now or save it for one of these

661
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 3: off days. But like contract decisions with Julius Randall and

662
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 3: Nasried and Kail Alexander Walker, you already brought up, like

663
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 3: what are we doing at the point guard position? Like

664
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 3: there could be some could be some big changes. Tim

665
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 3: Connolly seems like a GM that's not afraid to make

666
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 3: a big move. But I can't wait to like sort

667
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 3: of break that down of where they go from here

668
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 3: or is it just like, yeah, stick with this, hope

669
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 3: our guy aunt grows and that we continue to compete

670
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: with these teams.

671
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see. I think Rob Dillingham is going to

672
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: be an important player for the future of the Minnesota Timberwolves.

673
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: They traded kind of everything they had left for him

674
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: at the draft last year. He was not a factor

675
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: this season. He was not a factor in the playoffs.

676
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: They got more from Arren Shannon Junior, their late first

677
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: round draft pick. But for what they invested in Dillingham,

678
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: he's the guy that's supposed to be the secondary ball

679
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: handler of the Timpmberwolves of the future. I do believe.

680
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, there's questions on Julius Randall, like it's likely

681
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: that he picks up his option just because there's not

682
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: a lot of great cap space teams out there. Continuity

683
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,239
Speaker 1: would probably be good for this team. I mean, they

684
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: went to the conference finals with Karl Anthony Towns, made

685
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: a huge trade right before the season started, went back

686
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: to the conference finals with Julius Randall got hot in March,

687
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: which a lot of teams get hot in March, and

688
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean a ton, But they did look good.

689
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: They ran through the first two rounds of the playoffs

690
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: pretty easily. Maybe they got some luck with Steph Curry

691
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: going out with an injury. But they seem like they're close.

692
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: But then you look at the thunder and it's like, really,

693
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: are you that close? And your team is getting older.

694
00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: I mean, ant is young, Julius Randall, he's not young.

695
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: Gobert certainly is aging right now. Mike Conley, we know

696
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: he's old. He probably shouldn't be a starter at this

697
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: point in his career, so there's a lot of changes

698
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: to be made, but slow and low is probably the way.

699
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 3: To play it.

700
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, Anthony Edwards wants Mike Conley back, I guess because

701
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 4: he said he feels so bad for Mike that he

702
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 4: didn't get him to his first NBA finals. And then

703
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,239
Speaker 4: he'll come back and he'll he'll try and do it

704
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 4: for Mike next year. But the whole key is having

705
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 4: another ball handler out there for Anthony Edwards. We've seen

706
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 4: it two seasons in a row here. Will Rob Dillingham

707
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 4: take that next step, because you're right, that's what they

708
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 4: did last year. They traded up to get him. He

709
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 4: is a kid, he's twenty years old and he's only

710
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 4: had one year one shot at it here and he

711
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 4: hasn't gotten to that point. Will he'd be able to

712
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 4: do it quickly and one more year? I mean he could.

713
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 4: It's they actually, you know they merge age wise Dillingham

714
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 4: twenty and Anthony Edwards twenty three. If you're going to

715
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 4: go long term here with those two. But Tillingham asked

716
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 4: to grow a little bit.

717
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, more wolves talk to come here in the

718
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 3: coming days, I'm sure. And what they're gonna do this

719
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 3: offseason with some of those decisions, Like I said, a

720
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 3: couple of those are player options, but we'll get into

721
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 3: that later. Let's get into some slop though. Yeah, bring

722
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 3: up the piggies. Let's do it then, all right, first

723
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 3: one here in slop season, all eyes are on what

724
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 3: the Sixers are going to do with the number three

725
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: pick at next month's draft. While holding on bringing in

726
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 3: new talent is the likely move, it has been suggested

727
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 3: that a trade is not ruled out. According to the Steinline,

728
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 3: Mark Stein says, if the Sixers trade their pick, it's

729
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: likely in a trade down scenario, but they wouldn't go

730
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 3: quote very far. So if they move off the number

731
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 3: three pick, it'd be this idea that they would go

732
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 3: back a little bit in the draft, still get somebody,

733
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 3: but they maybe don't see someone they like at number three.

734
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 3: Let's break this down. What do you think maybe the

735
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 3: Sixers should do will do here with the number three pick?

736
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: Another exciting offseason for the Sixers. They were the winners

737
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: of the off season last year. They got Paul George.

738
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: What a great move. We thought it didn't turn out

739
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: that way, But really the draft does start with the Sixers.

740
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: It feels like for this time around, Cooper Flag's going one,

741
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: Dylan Harper it seems like it's gonna be going two

742
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: ye to the Spurs. So what is the move gonna

743
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: be for the Sixers? I think their decision starts with

744
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: what can we expect realistically from Joel Embiid. Do they

745
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be able to play sixty games? Do

746
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 1: they think he'll be healthier this season without having the

747
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: Olympics ahead of time, without having to get his knee

748
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: cleaned up, though maybe they got to do that as well.

749
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: Is he going to be an MVP caliber Because they're

750
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: all in right now, but they would be even more

751
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: all in if they actually make a trade with this

752
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: third draft pick. If they think he's gonna be healthy

753
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: and effective, it's kind of smart to trade down get

754
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: a player and get some young guys as well, because postseason,

755
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: Daryl Morey admitted it, we got to get younger and

756
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: more athletic, the Kyle Lowry, Eric Gordon, Andre Drummond style veterans.

757
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 1: That's not helpful during the regular season. If Embiid's gonna

758
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: miss time, if Paul George is gonna miss time, they

759
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: gotta have some guys who can care them through the

760
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: slog of the regular season. So maybe a trade with

761
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: the Nets makes sense, right, like Cam Johnson and a

762
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 1: couple of their late first I think Brooklyn has nineteen,

763
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: twenty six and twenty seven. You trade them there your

764
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: third pick. Maybe there's somebody Brooklyn really likes at number three,

765
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: some salary filler. I think that makes sense. It's not

766
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: very likely though, that the trade happens, because I think

767
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: this is a chance for Daryl Morey to kind of

768
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: see the next stage of the Sixers. Now that requires

769
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 1: buy in from Sixers management to want to keep him around.

770
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: But they've got Maxi, they've got McCain who will be

771
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: healthy again. They're probably gonna bring back Quentin Grimes. They've

772
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 1: got some decent young pieces. It's they're older guys who

773
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 1: are unreliable. So if you can add a fourth young

774
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: piece of a core here, maybe that's better. I think.

775
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: So my guess is that they stay put at number

776
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 1: three and use the pick, just because the easiest thing

777
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: usually happens in the NBA, and I think it's a

778
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: big risk to rate a number three draft pick when

779
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: the whole part, the whole point of last season when

780
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: things went sour and you tanked, was so you could get.

781
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 3: It, so you could keep keeping your pick.

782
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: And then they got the gift of getting number three.

783
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: So I think they'll probably keep it and use it.

784
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 4: Right. I think they didn't sit Maxie and Paul George

785
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 4: the last month of the season to trade down in

786
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 4: the draft. They got this beautiful pick here, the number

787
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 4: three spot. Yes, whether it's Dylan Harper you're somehow falling

788
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 4: to them or getting Ace Bailey, that's a good player.

789
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 4: That would be an incredible, incredible situation for them. They

790
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 4: didn't sit those guys to trade this pick down. I

791
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,479
Speaker 4: don't think that. Being said, they only really have four

792
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 4: guaranteed rotation players signed for next season right here, right now,

793
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 4: they're big three in NB Maxie and Paul George plus

794
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 4: Jared McCain, and then they have other maybees. They've got

795
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 4: Maybes in Uberre with the player option, Gershon Aboseli's a

796
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 4: free agent, and Quentin Rhymes. But they don't have a

797
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 4: lot of guys, so you could see them say, excuse me,

798
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 4: whether it's Sean Marks. Hey, can we get a player

799
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 4: from you? Yeah, it's Cam Johnson plus a pick, just

800
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 4: to just to buck up a little bit because they're

801
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 4: so top heavy, and that was obviously a problem throughout

802
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 4: the season, when Embiat couldn't play, when Maxi had so

803
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 4: much on his shoulders, and when Paul George just wasn't

804
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 4: Paul George anymore. So you got to hope for that

805
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 4: this coming season. But you also just don't want to

806
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 4: put so much on Maxi every night. So maybe if

807
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 4: you can get a couple players, because this team is

808
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 4: top heavy and super old, if they just go back

809
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 4: with a lot of these supporting players, Yeah, that's a

810
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 4: I could see. I could see both sides, it's for sure.

811
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 4: But this number three pick, it could be the best

812
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 4: player of everybody I just mentioned.

813
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 3: Well, that's what we're getting out.

814
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: Hear.

815
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 3: You're going to move if you're the Sixers, You're you're

816
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 3: going to move back in the draft if you're fairly

817
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 3: certain that your preferred prospect at least is still going

818
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,479
Speaker 3: to be available to you and that you can also

819
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 3: pick up an asset and still get the guy you wanted,

820
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 3: be it a player or even more pick more bites

821
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 3: at the Apple Right. Great article on Philly Voice where

822
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 3: they took a trip down NBA draft memory lane to

823
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 3: sort of help contemplate what the Sixers might be able

824
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 3: to get for the number three pick if they sort

825
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 3: of go that way of moving back. Some good ones

826
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 3: here DeAndre Hunter that trade. In twenty nineteen, the Pelicans

827
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 3: had the number four pick overall after the Anthony Davis

828
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 3: deal the Hawks. They were enamored with DeAndre Hunter. They

829
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 3: wanted to move up, and the Pelicans were fine with

830
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 3: stockpiling assets. So the Hawks consolidated three later picks eight,

831
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 3: seventeen and thirty five to move up to number four

832
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 3: to take Hunter. A clear comp this year could be

833
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 3: the Nets. You said it their trade. They have a

834
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 3: bunch of first round picks, so they could take three

835
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 3: of those picks eight, let's say, nineteen thirty five, whatever

836
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 3: you could offer that to move up to number three

837
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 3: with the Sixers. I think there's something there that makes

838
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 3: it a little bit sense. But again, all of these

839
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 3: the Nets, these other ones I'm going to bring up,

840
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 3: they have to be enamored with Ace Bailey or DJ Edgecombe,

841
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 3: like they have to want someone so bad to move

842
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 3: up to number three that you're willing to give up

843
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 3: either more draft capital or players. Right. A few of

844
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 3: the other ones, I mean, the obvious one is the

845
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 3: Luca Trey trade of twenty eighteen. Atlanta had the number

846
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 3: three pick. They were fascinated with Trey Young. Conversely, the

847
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 3: Mavericks they wanted Luka Doncic. They were at number five,

848
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 3: so they swapped spots. Dallas gave Atlanta a lightly protected

849
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 3: future first round pick to do the swap, because you know,

850
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 3: Luca Luca was the bigger prospects still, but again the

851
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 3: Hawks wanted Tray Young. An obvious comp here could be

852
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 3: the Sixers trading the number three pick to the Jazz

853
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 3: for the number five pick and then a future pick

854
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 3: let's say twenty twenty seven by way the Lakers or

855
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 3: something like that. Or you could trade the number three

856
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 3: pick to the Wizards for the number six pick and

857
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 3: a future first round pick let's say in twenty twenty

858
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 3: nine or something like that. But again, in this example,

859
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 3: the Jazz the Wizards have to want to move up

860
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 3: because they're like, oh, we really want east Bailey him,

861
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 3: and he's not going to be there if five or six,

862
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 3: so they would have to do that, and then the

863
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 3: final one. You gotta go back to two thousand and eight,

864
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 3: Oj Mayo Kevin Love getting swapped around draft night. The

865
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 3: Wolves had the number three overall pick, but they wanted

866
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 3: to get Kevin Love and the Grizzlies they were picking

867
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 3: at number five, they wanted Oj Mayo. They thought he

868
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 3: was the superior prospect, so they just basically swapped those.

869
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 3: I think they actually drafted the guys and they did

870
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 3: the trade, and there was a bunch of other guys

871
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 3: like thrown in, a bunch of filler to be honest,

872
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 3: But Mike Miller was in the trade too, so he

873
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 3: was like, the Wolves got the number five pickin and

874
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 3: Mike Miller in that trade. What would be similar this year?

875
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 3: Maybe the Pelicans, if again they really want like a

876
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 3: Bailey or of VJ. Edgecombe, you could trade the number

877
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 3: three pick Kelly Oubridd junior Andre Drummond to the Pelicans

878
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 3: for the number seven pick and then a good player

879
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 3: Herb Jones would be awesome, I think for Philly. Now,

880
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 3: I don't think the Pels would do that unless again

881
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 3: they love one of those guys that they don't think

882
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 3: will be there at seven, so good stuff from the

883
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 3: Villy Voice. I thought that was like, well, taking a

884
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 3: little trip down memory lane and like maybe maybe some

885
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 3: things that they could explore this summer.

886
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: Hearing you say all those, it sounds like the team

887
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: that traded down lost every one of those trades.

888
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 3: Interesting, Well, I would say the Wolves didn't. They got

889
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 3: Kevin Love instead of oj Mayo. Oh yeah, so that's good.

890
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: And you said the Wolves were the three pick yeah,

891
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah.

892
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 3: OK.

893
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: So they trade a bay one that.

894
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 3: Way the other on the other ones. Yes, I would

895
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 3: agree with you.

896
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. The other question, which I think it's kind of

897
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: been shot down by like Kyle Nubeck of All Philly

898
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: and maybe Aaronson as well at the Philly Voice, is

899
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: the Paul George plus the number three pick package, right?

900
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 1: Is that attractive to anybody? Paul George will be thirty five,

901
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: He's got two years plus a player option left, fifty two,

902
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: fifty four and fifty seven million dollars.

903
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 4: It's a monster. It is a monster. And when you

904
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 4: look back at what he did, know he's nowhere near

905
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 4: that salary right now if you're thinking about trading for him,

906
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 4: just hoping that last year was just a blip, because

907
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 4: the year before he was great.

908
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 3: Right, But like, the Sixers aren't going to trade Paul

909
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 3: George and the number three pick for like Kevin Durant.

910
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 3: Let's say so that in a harpy Yes, harpy, But

911
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 3: why would Philly do that? I mean that that'd be silly.

912
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 3: I think because they need some young talent.

913
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: Ye again again, but I mean Kevin Durant's contract is shorter.

914
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't think that.

915
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 1: I don't think that one is gonna happen. Larry Markinen

916
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 1: was another guy who was rumored after Paul George and three.

917
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: Utah again would need to love a guy at the

918
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: third pick, and Utah Utah needs a star they don't have.

919
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: They've been rebuilding for three years and they basically have

920
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: nothing except for draft picks. Further on down the line,

921
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: one time All star Larry Markin.

922
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 3: If the fifth pick comes back in that to Philly,

923
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean, then they're still getting a chance

924
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 3: to get a player that they might really like. Obviously

925
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 3: high still not the third pick, but someone they like.

926
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 3: I don't know.

927
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, the picks make a little more sense in that deal.

928
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 4: Rather than Paul George going to the Utah Jazz but

929
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 4: the Utah Jazz continuously swing and miss because their pick

930
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 4: just keeps dropping. Unfortunately, they try to be extremely bad

931
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 4: here there with the number five pick, so you could

932
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 4: see why they'd be hungry for number three. Six Ers

933
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 4: are just in a weird, weird, weird scenario with how

934
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 4: many again, how many guys are signed next year. They

935
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 4: literally only have four guys guaranteed next year that are

936
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 4: part of the rotation because Uber may not come back.

937
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 4: You know, you get an old Eric Gordon. You really

938
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 4: don't have a lot of guys period, So you have MB,

939
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 4: George Maxi, and McCain. That's it unless they match for

940
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 4: Quentin Grimes and they have five. So they just may

941
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 4: want to get depth period because Darryl Morey is the

942
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 4: guy who just keeps on swinging with a Hey, Kyle Lower,

943
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 4: You're gonna save the day with old guys, So they

944
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 4: need numbers, that's for sure.

945
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 3: It also just comes down to like people are really

946
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 3: torn on whether Ace Bailey is going to be like

947
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 3: star player in this league. You see one camp say yeah, man,

948
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 3: this guy's the next Kevin Durant, and then you see

949
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 3: the whole other side say do not draft him. Not

950
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 3: at number three, and they should be wise to move

951
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 3: down because he's not that type of player. So I

952
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 3: don't know. I'm not a draft expert on no clue.

953
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 3: I mean with all of this, it's like we don't

954
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 3: have really any idea. But this is why we're getting

955
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 3: at this, right. It's like this idea of like they're like,

956
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 3: we don't really love who's going to be there at

957
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 3: three because we're missing out on Cooper and Dylan Harper,

958
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 3: who are like feel like the two Like, oh okay,

959
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 3: you can like sort of pencil those guys in the stars.

960
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 3: Maybe here gets interesting. It's like, I don't know Edgecomb Bailey,

961
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 3: which one? And then are you even convinced that they

962
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 3: can help you win right now? With the construction of

963
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 3: your team. That's the other part right led by embiid.

964
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 3: So we'll see all right, next piece of slop here

965
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 3: the La Clippers. They're expected to be active on the

966
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 3: trade market during the off season. They outperformed expectations this

967
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 3: past season. They may want to like stay in contention,

968
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 3: still flirt as a fifty win team and moving forward.

969
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 3: During a recent episode of Run It Back, former Clips

970
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 3: guard Lou Williams revealed that he believes that Clippers could

971
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 3: make a play for Charlotte Hornets point guard LaMelo Ball. Now,

972
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 3: this isn't the first time LaMelo Ball has been in

973
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 3: rumors to go to the Clippers. His brother said this

974
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 3: like two weeks ago, predicting that Lamello will end up

975
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 3: on the Los Angeles Clippers. And I think even further back,

976
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 3: you had LeVar, you had Dad saying more along the

977
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 3: lines of it, like the kid elling, yeah, he'll be

978
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 3: in California. So what do you think about this now

979
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 3: that Lou's also saying it that this is the type

980
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 3: of player they need and could be active in trying

981
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 3: to go get. Do they even have the assets to

982
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 3: get him from the Hornets if he is available?

983
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's very interesting. I loved going down that rabbit

984
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 4: hole of podcasts where Lamello has been mentioned about going

985
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 4: to the Clippers yet to get Lonzo Ball's direct quote

986
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 4: from his podcasts that he has with his brother Leangelo Ball.

987
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 4: They have a podcast called What an Experience Show. I

988
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 4: guess they call it what a WAE anyway, I think

989
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 4: they called it a WAE just for short. Anyways, his

990
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 4: quote was, I've low key got Dylan Harper going to

991
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 4: the Hornets, and I've got Melow going to the clips.

992
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 4: That doesn't doesn't make any one. Yeah, it doesn't really

993
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 4: make a lot of sense. I went onto cam Brink

994
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 4: and Siddel Curry Lee's podcast where he was he was

995
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 4: a guest on their podcast, Straight to cam uh and

996
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 4: he's he said, uh, well, sorry. Lonzo Ball was on

997
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 4: that podcast where he was talking about LaMelo and he said, quote, Honestly,

998
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 4: some stories I can't even say. He was really bad,

999
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 4: probably the worst kid I ever met. He's calmed down

1000
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 4: a lot, though. I'll give him credit for that. And

1001
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 4: I bring up that quote because the Clippers do take

1002
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 4: chances on players that haven't necessarily been successful elsewhere, like

1003
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 4: they tried Bones Island recently. They try guys who have

1004
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 4: had some serious off court issues, Josh Primo, Kevin Porter Junior.

1005
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 4: So I could see this happening because you know, I'm

1006
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 4: not saying LaMelo's a bad kid, as his brother said,

1007
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,439
Speaker 4: but I do think you know, we're at a point

1008
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 4: here with LaMelo Ball. You got to be a complimentary player.

1009
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 4: You're not gonna be a number one type of player.

1010
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 4: So if the Hornets are looking at a package from

1011
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:15,439
Speaker 4: the Clippers. It would probably be the twenty twenty nine

1012
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 4: Philly first round pick that they have. Could that be

1013
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 4: appealing to the Charlotte Hornets. Maybe maybe you're saying, Okay,

1014
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,479
Speaker 4: the Sixers will be done in a few years, that'll

1015
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 4: be a good pick. But really, they don't have a

1016
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 4: ton to offer. I would say other than that, that

1017
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 4: is the juicy part. And you know they have, Yeah,

1018
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 4: you'll throw in a mere coffee along with vets. I

1019
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 4: mean you have, like you said, almost no picks.

1020
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 3: I don't understand how the hell are you going to

1021
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 3: pull off this trade outside of a third team folded

1022
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 3: in somehow. I can see him getting to the Clippers

1023
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 3: one of these days, but I right now I'm struggling,

1024
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 3: like they're not gonna have Dylan Harper. I'm sorry to

1025
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,479
Speaker 3: break it to I don't think he's falling to four

1026
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 3: to the Hornets or whatever I guess that would be

1027
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 3: to the Clipper. I don't even doesn't It doesn't make

1028
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 3: any sense what he's.

1029
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 4: Just talking about. That was that after the draft lottery

1030
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 4: or before.

1031
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 3: Maybe it was okay, yeah, maybe it was.

1032
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 4: Maybe he knew, maybe he knew well, he figured that

1033
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 4: they'd have a higher.

1034
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 3: Pick Okay, yeah, anyway, I can't figure it out. But

1035
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 3: what do you think TK about these rumors?

1036
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: Well, trade's not happening this summer. There's just doesn't make

1037
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: any sense. The Clippers would be trading basically all of

1038
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: their depth and picks that are five years down the road.

1039
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,760
Speaker 1: For LaMelo Ball, he's got a huge contract left, uh

1040
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: thirty eight million next season, followed by forty one, forty

1041
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: three and forty six. The number is just hard to

1042
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 1: get to for the Clippers without completely gutting their team.

1043
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 4: Wow, they could, They could gut it pretty easily.

1044
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, yeah, sure, you want to trade Zubats,

1045
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: You want to trade Norman Powell?

1046
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 4: No, yeah, you'd trade Norman Powell because then you're then

1047
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,240
Speaker 4: you're you're playing LaMelo and James Harden together and Powell's

1048
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 4: gone from the rhy Would.

1049
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: The Hornets do that?

1050
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 4: Well, they just love the pick. They love a pick

1051
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 4: plus a mere coffee or something, you know, they like

1052
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,439
Speaker 4: they Yeah, what pick the Philadelphia seventy six ers first

1053
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 4: round pick in twenty twenty nine.

1054
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they have their own picks starting So

1055
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: it's a long way down the line. Honestly, the Clippers

1056
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: should look at Lonzo Ball. They should get Lonzo Ball.

1057
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: He would be a perfect fit for that team as

1058
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: a backup point guard and a sometimes starting point guard.

1059
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 1: A lot easier to get. That's to the side. I

1060
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: think it's more interesting that the Ball family is pushing

1061
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:24,319
Speaker 1: pretty hard ye to get Lamello to the Clippers. They're

1062
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 1: hinting he wants to move. The Hornets are completely backsliding

1063
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 1: thirty three, forty three, twenty seven, twenty one, and then

1064
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: nineteen wins this season since LaMelo has been there. He's

1065
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: on this gigantic contract. Now he's gonna ask out from

1066
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: Charlotte in the next couple of seasons. It's just a

1067
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: matter of how fast it hap they should trade him.

1068
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: Should they should trade him now? While his value is

1069
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: probably at the highest unfortunately for LeVar and the Clippers,

1070
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: if LaMelo was available, there are so many teams that

1071
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: could easily beat the package that La is going to

1072
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:57,439
Speaker 1: be able to offer.

1073
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, and but you know, with it's like he can't

1074
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 3: stay healthy either, Like his last three seasons has been very,

1075
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 3: very bad in terms of health with ankles and stuff

1076
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 3: like that.

1077
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, it's hard to say how high his

1078
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 4: value is. I mean, he was. He had a great

1079
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 4: first couple months of the season and he got hurt.

1080
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 3: So again that's three years running though, that's been Yeah. Yeah,

1081
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 3: And like Trey said, he's locked into like that. I

1082
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 3: guess he's going into the second year of a five year,

1083
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 3: two hundred and four million dollar contract whatever it was.

1084
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: And they don't win a lot when he plays, No, no,

1085
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,359
Speaker 1: they do not, But no, the highlights are sick.

1086
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:32,919
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, that's why he has to be a complimentary guy.

1087
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 4: They can find the players, slash picks, slash teams to

1088
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 4: get involved, which can be a part of it. Then

1089
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,280
Speaker 4: that's possible. Charlotte's listening.

1090
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 3: Final piece of slop here. You know, it's not really

1091
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 3: trade rumor slap here, but Jake Fisher reports that Josh

1092
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 3: Giddy will be seeking at least one hundred and twenty

1093
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 3: million dollars over five years from the Bulls in restricted

1094
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 3: free agency. Had a really good season with Chicago. The

1095
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 3: Aussie average fourteen point six points per game, eight boards,

1096
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 3: seven assists, and his numbers like they ballooned after the

1097
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 3: All Star break. He was putting up some crazy box scores.

1098
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 3: So TK will start with you as the Bulls guy

1099
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 3: here what's your take on Giddy seeking five years, one

1100
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,760
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty million dollar deal from the Chicago Bulls.

1101
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: Well, I would love it if it's a five year,

1102
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty million dollar deal. Twenty four million

1103
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,439
Speaker 1: average annual value is not bad for a starting point guard.

1104
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:23,919
Speaker 1: You look at the twenty four to thirty million dollar

1105
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: range for guards next season, Terry Rozier, Anthony Simons, Derek White,

1106
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,880
Speaker 1: CJ McCollum, de Jonte Murray, like Giddy can be on

1107
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: that level. I would say maybe, maybe not Derek White,

1108
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: since he's such a valuable role player who can kind

1109
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 1: of scale up and down. But Giddy is productive when

1110
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: he's got the ball in his hands. The zach Lavine

1111
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 1: trade allowed him a lot of freedom for the Bulls.

1112
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,720
Speaker 1: He'll be only twenty three at the start of next season.

1113
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: The Bulls look good in March, and then when they

1114
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: played against the team who really cared in the play

1115
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: in tournament, they got completely smoked. And that was the

1116
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: Miami Heat, who weren't even close in their first round series,

1117
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: which shows you how far the Bulls really are from

1118
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: even being a playoff contend team, let alone a team

1119
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: that has any sort of aspirations for something beyond that.

1120
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: The thing that gives me pause here is Jake Fisher

1121
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,600
Speaker 1: saying the five for one hundred and twenty million dollar

1122
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: figure was only mentioned as a low end projection from

1123
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: league observers. He wants at least this extension. Talk stalled

1124
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: before the start of the season because the Bulls weren't

1125
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: offering thirty million dollars a year. This is why they

1126
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: have restricted free agency. Make him go get a bigger

1127
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: deal from somebody else. Because there's not a lot of

1128
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 1: cap space out there. The Nets could offer Josh Giddy

1129
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: a lot of money. It kind of makes sense for

1130
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: them to get a young guy who would then be

1131
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: on his third team. But other than that, it's like

1132
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: Detroit has a little bit of cap space. They don't

1133
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: need a guard like Giddy. They've got Kate Cunningham, They've

1134
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 1: got Ivy returning from injury. This is a chance for

1135
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: the Bulls to get a decent deal on Giddy. Now,

1136
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 1: you could ruffle his feathers if you don't offer him

1137
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:50,959
Speaker 1: the contract he wants and he has to go sign

1138
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: somewhere else. But who cares. That's why this is in

1139
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: the collective bargaining agreement. They're not going to do it.

1140
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: They're going to overpay him for sure, but I just

1141
00:51:58,080 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: hope it's not a drastic overpay r.

1142
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 3: What do you think tass any to that?

1143
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,760
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, he wants more than twenty four million

1144
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 4: per year. I think that that's clear. I think this

1145
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,919
Speaker 4: is as a low ball for sure, and it would

1146
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 4: be a fine low ball because it's a tradable contract

1147
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 4: even if it doesn't work out in Chicago. But I

1148
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 4: mean Chicago is not obligated to a lot of money

1149
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 4: next year. Even at twenty four, he would be the

1150
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 4: highest paid player. So I'm sure he's looking at that

1151
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 4: and saying, pay me more. So, yes, twenty four would

1152
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 4: be fine.

1153
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 3: So what's he going to be signed here?

1154
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: Then?

1155
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 3: A thirty million per.

1156
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,840
Speaker 4: We're talking about Chicago. We're talking about elsewhere.

1157
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 3: Chicago because I I'm wo try, it's not not a

1158
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 3: lot of other elsewheres to go and the pulse, I mean,

1159
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 3: he did play well, yeah, and he is. This guy's

1160
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 3: only twenty two. Still somehow it's good, right, That's why

1161
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 3: it's a tradable In my mind, I feel like these

1162
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 3: guys are four or five years older, all of them.

1163
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,280
Speaker 4: But anyway. Yeah, yeah, but he'll ask for a thirty

1164
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:55,959
Speaker 4: Why wouldn't he He'll ask for more, I'm sure.

1165
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 3: Well, this is my point. If this is like the

1166
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 3: first report and then he camp ass for thirty five

1167
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 3: a year or whatever, and then maybe it's somewhere in

1168
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:04,879
Speaker 3: the middle, is what we get to. Like, it feels

1169
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,479
Speaker 3: like it's gonna be between annually between thirty and thirty

1170
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 3: five million, and you know, oh, like that's that's sort

1171
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,359
Speaker 3: of where we're at. Like he's the type of player

1172
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:13,879
Speaker 3: that sort of gets that type of money, especially when

1173
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 3: you went through those cards that were like in that

1174
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 3: twenty five million dollar per range, he was he was

1175
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 3: better than some of those names you were listing. Yeah,

1176
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 3: for sure, for sure. So that's what we'll probably get.

1177
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,720
Speaker 3: Just how much will be the overpay? That'll be the concern.

1178
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 1: As a Bulls fan if there is a two hundred

1179
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 1: million dollar deal, I will still be a Bulls fan.

1180
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, honestly, nothing will change. I'll still

1181
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: be sad and think they're far away from a championship.

1182
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 1: But I don't wanted to sign a two hundred million

1183
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: dollar deal, okay, because that contract is not trainable. You're right,

1184
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: he's young, he can be productive, but I think as

1185
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: soon as he signs a five year deal, no team

1186
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 1: is gonna want him. Yeah, look at what happened to

1187
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 1: the Thunder. They traded him and instantly became the best

1188
00:53:57,120 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: team in the league. Yeah, no, we can't play in

1189
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: the playoffs.

1190
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing. He's only traded to like like

1191
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 3: ten or eleven markets would like, Okay, we'll take in

1192
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 3: trade for Josh Giddy because we're so bad that we

1193
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 3: just want to compete and like be in a play

1194
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 3: and race or maybe get into the postseason with all

1195
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 3: these teams with like obviously higher hopes. Yeah, they know,

1196
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 3: we've seen what happens in a postseason though. You know, look,

1197
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 3: he did like the three point shot, was the three

1198
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 3: pint shot was there in March. He needs to sustain

1199
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 3: it and show it for like obviously a indeed, all right,

1200
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 3: that's a slop good start to slop season here for

1201
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 3: no dunks, we'll call it there obviously a game on tonight,

1202
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 3: Indiana Pacers can book their ticket to the NBA Finals.

1203
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 3: Any predictions. We are in Madison Square Garden for this one.

1204
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 3: Can the Nicks give us a game six back in Indianapolis. Yeah,

1205
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 3: what do you think when would that be? That would

1206
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 3: be on the weekend.

1207
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 4: It'll be on Saturday, Saturday second.

1208
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 3: I think it is every second day.

1209
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 4: Right now, it'll be a scratch.

1210
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 3: Do you think we get Okay, here you go. Are

1211
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 3: we getting some NBA basketball play for this weekend or

1212
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 3: are we gonna have an empty weekend.

1213
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 1: We go into Game six? Baby, Okay, this has been

1214
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: a pretty close series, yes, all things considered. I mean,

1215
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: the crazy results for sure, but it's like we had

1216
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: an overtime game, we had a two point game. Like

1217
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: the Knicks are right there. They're playing with their backs

1218
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: against the wall. This is their season. I assume we'll

1219
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,919
Speaker 1: get a great effort from them. They're back at home,

1220
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 1: so that's sort of helpful these games at home so far.

1221
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,280
Speaker 1: But they'll at least have the crowd behind him. Shirley,

1222
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:35,320
Speaker 1: Tim will be there, Ben will be there, Spike Riz

1223
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 1: all the hits. So yeah, I think the Knicks pull

1224
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:39,239
Speaker 1: one out.

1225
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 3: So what's do we have a status on Karl Anthony

1226
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 3: Town's knee injury there that he sustained at the end

1227
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 3: of game.

1228
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 1: For smacked it?

1229
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, he hard. Yeah, he's gonna play. I mean.

1230
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:51,760
Speaker 4: The guys will play for him even if he's injured.

1231
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 4: They haven't won at home in this series yet, so

1232
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 4: they gotta win one at home.

1233
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 3: You think they get one, well.

1234
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 4: They will try. They will definitely try. They're gonna put

1235
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:01,720
Speaker 4: the effort forth.

1236
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, more effort than the Wolves showed last night. Yes, okay.

1237
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 1: Question.

1238
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 3: We're getting basketball on the weekend. I think the Knicks

1239
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 3: give us a game six, so hopefully it's an entertaining game.

1240
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 3: Whoever wins, we'll be here tomorrow on the Drop podcast

1241
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 3: to talk about that at ten am Eastern, so join us.

1242
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 3: Then we'll do rapid fire, maybe some more slop. Who knows.

1243
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 3: We'll see you. Then hit the like button subscribe if

1244
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 3: you're a Survivor fan. We got a new Nobus episode. Yeah,

1245
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 3: season's over, but we just found out who's on Survivor fifty,

1246
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 3: which doesn't happen until twenty twenty six. We got a

1247
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 3: whole season before Survider fifty. But they did reveal the

1248
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 3: cast this week and it's obviously all returning players. So

1249
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 3: we got some opinions on this squad, and we're gonna

1250
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 3: talk about it today at one pm Eastern over on

1251
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 3: No Bus myself, Trey JD.

1252
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,359
Speaker 1: And Nora gotta be an evergreen podcast. You can listen

1253
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 1: to that one for a year straight.

1254
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 3: I think it'll be informative for some people that maybe

1255
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 3: don't know a lot of these returning players, at least

1256
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 3: some of the older ones. Well, we'll get you all

1257
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 3: caught up, but that's later today. Until then, Clipper brose.

1258
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: You heard it here first, have a great time, turn up.

1259
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 1: Love you guys awesome.

1260
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us, and remember first, I want to

1261
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 4: see your packages for LaMelo Ball, not your actual literal packages,

1262
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 4: but yes, let's let's see it. Let's see what LaMelo

1263
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 4: ball can garner. I'm not so sure it's a ton.

1264
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 4: I think the Clippers in their first round pick slash

1265
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 4: Philly's pick, depending what Charlotte wants. Only we can only

1266
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 4: take pick one.

1267
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 3: Picking a cup of coffee. Yes, all right, yes, get

1268
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 3: your LaMelo Ball trade packages in either to the Clippers

1269
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 3: or other teams. Let's see them until tomorrow. Race the

1270
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 3: day people m