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Speaker 1: to another edition of Club Shasha. I am your host
Speaker 1: Shandon Sharp. I'm also the propriet of Club Sha Shake.
Speaker 1: And the guy that's stopping by for conversation on the
Speaker 1: drink today is a four time NBA champion. He's an actor, producer,
Speaker 1: talks your host, entrepreneur, philanthropist. He's the first player NBA
Speaker 1: history to win a championship in three with three different franchises,
Speaker 1: and the first player to win a championship in three
Speaker 1: different decades. He needs no introduction. John Sally I told
Speaker 1: him you can read give me my one hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: They said, Santy can't read. I wrote all that down
Speaker 1: and you prove you can read. You see to put
Speaker 1: on the car. They didn't put it in prompting for me, Sally,
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Speaker 1: All right, what's a typical day for John Sally? What
Speaker 1: time do you get up? What do you do throughout
Speaker 1: the day? What time he lights out? Well, my sleep
Speaker 1: pattern is different. I've been stretching more. Okay. I was
Speaker 1: with uh my boy Joe. Okay, I did some man.
Speaker 1: I tried to get back in the league. Well he did,
Speaker 1: he did last year. Okay, he was on the Celtics.
Speaker 1: Don't make me make jokes. Okay, So so I did that,
Speaker 1: and I you know, my wife is polates instructor. I
Speaker 1: won't work out with her because she's crazy and she's
Speaker 1: really good at it. But I drink about a lead
Speaker 1: of water with a little bit of bacon soda, a
Speaker 1: little bit the Celtic sea salt. What they hell the
Speaker 1: bacon solda do? So when you when you have water, yes,
Speaker 1: first thing, when you have anything with ice in it,
Speaker 1: your body won't absorb it. Cold for your body. Okay.
Speaker 1: Second thing, when you put the bacon solda and the
Speaker 1: sea salt, those are the sea salt has about eighty
Speaker 1: eighty five minerals you should have every day. But we
Speaker 1: don't get right. So I make sure the water becomes
Speaker 1: whatever touches it. So now water becomes minerals and therese
Speaker 1: and that helps my kidneys, It helps, it helps move
Speaker 1: things out of my liver, It helps my low intestine,
Speaker 1: it helps my body absorb. So you're drinking everything at
Speaker 1: room temperature, bacon solda, sea salt, a little bit how
Speaker 1: much teaspoon, table spoon, half a tea spoon with the bacon,
Speaker 1: Solda and the whole leader, and about a pinch, a
Speaker 1: couple of pinches of sea salt. Okay, sometimes I put
Speaker 1: the sea salt in my mouth when I switch it
Speaker 1: around with some coconut oil, and it's like my dog
Speaker 1: thinks I'm crazy. I think I'm thinking that. I know,
Speaker 1: I know, but but I'm I'm Then I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: some sativa and I'm gonna take a bongrat because I
Speaker 1: have to start the day off in a haze. This
Speaker 1: man tell about cleansing his body, even tell my seas
Speaker 1: Vegas shoulder water that room. Tim. Yeah, I gotta open.
Speaker 1: I got a blessed job. I gotta black. No. I
Speaker 1: got a cannabis company with my daughter called Dukes Is
Speaker 1: twenty two with my daughter Taylor, So we have great products.
Speaker 1: So I always have to give my my company a boost. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're the first player to win a championship with three
Speaker 1: different teams. Yeah, at the time, did you know that?
Speaker 1: I was? Yeah, So what was the significance of that
Speaker 1: to you? This is the deal? Everything is good, vibe Right,
Speaker 1: you are Baltimore, that's five right, Yeah, you got to Yeah,
Speaker 1: they are athletes, but you know, what's the difference is
Speaker 1: is when there's dogs everywhere, right, and they all barked
Speaker 1: the same bark, and you don't have to wonder if
Speaker 1: you slip, if that is not gonna be there, if
Speaker 1: somebody beat me, what's never happened. I didn't when and
Speaker 1: if Dennis is right here, Bill Lamber is about to
Speaker 1: put you in your back, you're not there's no free
Speaker 1: to the bath. So I didn't never had to worry
Speaker 1: about yeah, big my big brother. I didn't have to
Speaker 1: worry about, you know, somebody not even being there. So
Speaker 1: it's it's that mentality. I have this, I do this
Speaker 1: winning thing. I believe in this one breath. I believe
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, it's talent. And I tell you, I
Speaker 1: watch you every day. I love what you do. You're
Speaker 1: great at it. Stop talking to the to the peasants.
Speaker 1: You don't tell You don't social media, that's what you're
Speaker 1: talking about. You don't respond to anybody. You don't respond
Speaker 1: to anybody on Twitter, anybody in ig No, I don't
Speaker 1: nobody in the audience. What because those are called hecklers.
Speaker 1: So if you're doing comedy or you on stage and
Speaker 1: somebody heckles you and you respond to the heckle. He's
Speaker 1: the show. You don't. You don't, you know, not the show.
Speaker 1: You don't have, the show. You don't you don't, don't
Speaker 1: have a microphone. You don't want to put it. You
Speaker 1: don't want to put him on, you know, put that
Speaker 1: spotlight on me? Like no, that means that I'm taking
Speaker 1: the light off of me. Let me tell you one
Speaker 1: of my favorite preachers named Rev. Kike Rev Ke said
Speaker 1: the lights within you. He didn't, he didn't care about this,
Speaker 1: they say. He explained why he believed that God is
Speaker 1: within right is that he didn't say you're wrong. He
Speaker 1: just explained himself. Did you guys fight, did your team?
Speaker 1: Because we got there, we're gonna talk about Draymond about
Speaker 1: punching his get punching Jordan Poole in the eye, since
Speaker 1: Temperance Flaire, whatever happened? Did you guys fight amongst yourself?
Speaker 1: They said, because nobody shouted, it's gonna beat you up
Speaker 1: worse than Rick Mahard. So I'm in. But one time
Speaker 1: Isaiah got in a fight with Tony Campbell and they
Speaker 1: were thrown and Tony through one at at his head
Speaker 1: and Isaiah duck He said, hey, man, don't hit me
Speaker 1: in the face. It's a body fight. Tony looked at me.
Speaker 1: Why they do that here, I don't know. But then
Speaker 1: I remember one time, Uh, you know, basketball plays fight
Speaker 1: like this, yo man, Yo man, that's how basketball players fight.
Speaker 1: Backing up right, Marco, Whyae don't fight like that? Barc
Speaker 1: Why he was up in there like West Side Chicago.
Speaker 1: Mark was in there like like Joe Frazier in that joint,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, don't mess with him. Bill
Speaker 1: Lambard didn't me. He didn't me dirty man. He grabbed
Speaker 1: my jersey like I was in soccer, like I was
Speaker 1: in hockey. He pulled that jersey over my head. He
Speaker 1: was like, young fella. I laughed about it to this day,
Speaker 1: that boy. I let him get the jersey over my head.
Speaker 1: But so when you when you guys, when you got okay,
Speaker 1: you fought among yourself. I guess that brought you guys closer.
Speaker 1: But when you stepped on the court, ain't nobody messing
Speaker 1: with us. And I'm I'm telling you to the point
Speaker 1: where transpired When you put on the jersey, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden you got to you got the feeling. And
Speaker 1: I can tell you that my boy die Walker, de
Speaker 1: Walker from Chicago. Uh huh. When Karl Malone clocked Isaiah
Speaker 1: and over that dial, Walker ran from the far bench
Speaker 1: all the way down and hit Car from the all
Speaker 1: the way from the bench on the court full speed
Speaker 1: like I'm from this side of Chicago and hit him.
Speaker 1: So that mentality Rick mahonna remember they came at Rick.
Speaker 1: They would have to get in. Yeah, scared of Rick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Rich should be Rick. Rick. When I was a rookie,
Speaker 1: man him and Sigreene got in a fight and I
Speaker 1: may many teammates, you know, man hit me in the jaw,
Speaker 1: killing me looking down when growing folks who fight even
Speaker 1: be quiet. One of you guys would have had Oakley
Speaker 1: on your team. So it would have been you Mahorn,
Speaker 1: Old Lamb Beer, you Rodman. So Oakley doesn't talk. No,
Speaker 1: Dennis doesn't talk, Joe Dumars doesn't. They don't talk right,
Speaker 1: And I know people are like, what are you talking
Speaker 1: about that. I used to say to Joe that I
Speaker 1: can go and he'll hear me because he don't talk.
Speaker 1: He just read lips. So those two, those three on
Speaker 1: a squad, would it which had talkers like Rick, Bill
Speaker 1: and Isaiah? You know what it would have fit in.
Speaker 1: I just don't know. It's been no room for him
Speaker 1: because that means he would have been taking some of
Speaker 1: my minutes or Summer Bill's minute or summer ricks. That's
Speaker 1: what we were fighting in practice for. So no, he
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been good on our squad. The eight What
Speaker 1: was what was eight become? I don't I think a
Speaker 1: lot of this generation. I mean, you can watch highlights
Speaker 1: on YouTube and things like that, but what was the eighties?
Speaker 1: What was the physicality like in eighties basketball? Try to
Speaker 1: compare it. Because you played in the two thousands, obviously,
Speaker 1: start and say it again. You know, let him know
Speaker 1: you played in the two thousand because obviously they were
Speaker 1: trying to get away from that brand of basketball. But
Speaker 1: the physicality in the eighties, the nineties and the two
Speaker 1: thousand when you ended, Okay, I wasn't gonna show you
Speaker 1: the back of my head, but I had my daughter
Speaker 1: said looking. So it's the night before the All Star Game.
Speaker 1: It's February nineteen eighty seven. I can smell Atlanta from Detroit.
Speaker 1: I can't wait till my seven o'clock flight. But I
Speaker 1: got a game the night before. Okay, playing against San
Speaker 1: Antonio and this artist Guilball, and I pumped faked him
Speaker 1: and this giant lean and I was like, oh, I
Speaker 1: got him, and he elbowed me in the head and
Speaker 1: I hit the ground. And I'm telling you, the room
Speaker 1: was spending. I heard that before, but I was like whoa.
Speaker 1: And Benny was like, come on, sound get up, man,
Speaker 1: don't let him see you hurt. I was like, I'm hurt.
Speaker 1: Like if he don't let don't let him see it,
Speaker 1: what are I supposed to do? You know, jump in
Speaker 1: a tent. I'm hurt. Like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I don't play for Miami. I'm hurt. Y'all get that
Speaker 1: joke later. Anyway, I get on the fire line and
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I'm like, oh, man, I want to
Speaker 1: vomit right now. And I don't know. I don't never
Speaker 1: had a concussion or knew what it was. And then
Speaker 1: they tell me I have a concussion and I can't
Speaker 1: go to sleep the whole night before, but artists Gilma
Speaker 1: hit me and it was nothing I can do about it.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you put your hands up and
Speaker 1: you like, just let me go, man, just let me go.
Speaker 1: He was he was so big, and I'm in my
Speaker 1: guys like Maurice Lucas was trying to break my elbow.
Speaker 1: It felt like it was. It was like a wrestling match,
Speaker 1: y'all really had they had the old school enforces back there.
Speaker 1: They really had them forces back and the rests understood
Speaker 1: that that was his job, right. They were so old
Speaker 1: that they would come to training camp to get in
Speaker 1: the ship. I'm down the five cigarettes a day, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. They were smoking cigarettes and drinking
Speaker 1: kayaks and putting it out and then going and playing
Speaker 1: for forty two minutes. You know, I kind of like you,
Speaker 1: and I uh, I was gonna bring your cigar too,
Speaker 1: because I know you're a big cigar guy. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was gonna bring your padrone anniversario. I was gonna hook
Speaker 1: you well, pass that along, c hook you up. Only
Speaker 1: one though. The twenty dollars a stick. Now, there have
Speaker 1: been since you won three championships with three different teams,
Speaker 1: they've been several guys. Robert Or has done it, and
Speaker 1: Lebron has done it, and I think somebody else has
Speaker 1: done it. I think Green, Yeah, yeah, Danny Green, Danny Green. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I always know the guys are came behind me. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I turned around and go,
Speaker 1: this is the one thing I love. I love. Somebody
Speaker 1: said to me, they, man, if you would have played different,
Speaker 1: you would have been you could have been an All Star.
Speaker 1: And I said, dong, I'm a champion, and I blaze.
Speaker 1: I trail blaze like I do things, and you know,
Speaker 1: I do things until anybody behind me can say this
Speaker 1: can be done right. I'm a seventh foot that did
Speaker 1: seventeen movies. I'm a seventh foot that did TV shows,
Speaker 1: that stand up comedy that holds. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I've done all the things that so you know the
Speaker 1: words you said. What I did it was bigger than basketball,
Speaker 1: like Muhammad Ali was more than We're gonna get in
Speaker 1: trouble for this and you're probably gonna cut it. But
Speaker 1: the reason, one of the reasons for my addiction is
Speaker 1: OJ Simpson is watching OJ and the way everybody was
Speaker 1: so proud of him being knowledgeable and able to speak
Speaker 1: at a certain level and not fit the stereotype like you.
Speaker 1: That's why I love watching you. Was one of the
Speaker 1: first to have a national commercial. He had he had
Speaker 1: the juice, but he was. He was sideline reporter. Yes, absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 1: so to be that and and and you know the
Speaker 1: only thing I didn't have he had is a big head.
Speaker 1: Like his head is like OJ's head is big waterhead boy.
Speaker 1: And but I liked that. I loved that Muhammad Ali
Speaker 1: stood up and said something and didn't move away from it.
Speaker 1: I liked uh, Jim Brown, I loved it. I loved
Speaker 1: all of that. That that bravado and and that ability
Speaker 1: to speak well and do well. And when I saw
Speaker 1: Jim Brown, he didn't just do the movie that he
Speaker 1: quit on't that wasn't it. He did a plethora movies
Speaker 1: right after and plays. And I was like, that's what
Speaker 1: I want to do. I want to get to that
Speaker 1: Lebron the greatest, next the greatest. Yeah, would you mean
Speaker 1: the greatest? You said Lebron? I thought that's what you say.
Speaker 1: After that, say Lebron. I thought that was his last name, Lebron.
Speaker 1: Could it could be? You played against Kareem? Kareem retired
Speaker 1: all THEO had the most points ever. The record has
Speaker 1: almost stood for forty years because he broke the record
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty four. Did you think anybody in your
Speaker 1: lifetime would get this record, Kareem's record, Yo, not even
Speaker 1: Karl Malone and cars number two right right, And they
Speaker 1: were giving him points when he wasn't even playing, Like,
Speaker 1: I think they just gave him two more points time
Speaker 1: twenty five years. I think this. I think they're not
Speaker 1: gonna let him get it. They're not gonna let who
Speaker 1: get it, Lebron. They got no choice, no matter the
Speaker 1: thousand points, you're gonna be Really, I'm listening think about it.
Speaker 1: This thing like I didn't agree with something Phil Jackson
Speaker 1: said to me, and then I got into my fifties
Speaker 1: and I got it. So I didn't agree, But I say, Phil,
Speaker 1: Kobe had eighty one. He was about no matter what
Speaker 1: you do, he was about to get. He was about
Speaker 1: to get one oh four. They would have kept feeding
Speaker 1: the ball. The other side would have been like, you know,
Speaker 1: don't hurt him, but they would have been clear outs
Speaker 1: and Kobe would have got one oh four. And he goes, well,
Speaker 1: some records need to stand, and I was like wow,
Speaker 1: he goes yeah, then he got number. He's number two.
Speaker 1: He doesn't need to be number You think Kobe could
Speaker 1: have got well, I think they took him out with
Speaker 1: like a minute to go. You think he could have
Speaker 1: got nineteen points in a minute, Well, I watched at least. No,
Speaker 1: they took him, They took him out with a whole
Speaker 1: seven minutes ago. No, it's just about the Toronto game.
Speaker 1: You're going in a minute, only a minute because they
Speaker 1: were behind by so much. He had I mean he
Speaker 1: had to shoot. I mean to get him back in
Speaker 1: the ball game. So you don't think they gonna let
Speaker 1: Lebrons get the thirty eight plus thousand. No, but but
Speaker 1: that would beats number two anyway. You don't want to
Speaker 1: be number two that man. I mean, think about it.
Speaker 1: Eighteen straight years of twenty five plus points no more.
Speaker 1: You're probably never gonna see that again. South Korean Kareem
Speaker 1: Kareem was on fume the last couple year, stopping. Hey,
Speaker 1: let me tell you, let me tell you. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Kareemveraged ten points and and and they were well deserved.
Speaker 1: But let me tell you something. Kareem was hard boy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But but but but for Lebron he played you know
Speaker 1: the big normally big play alone period of time. But
Speaker 1: because guess what, you get the rebound, you pass it out.
Speaker 1: They wait for you to get down the court, Kareem
Speaker 1: would go down to the block. He would give him
Speaker 1: Magic the hand the left of the right. Magic would
Speaker 1: feed him right and throw the sky hoop. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: they did that twelve times again. The rest of them.
Speaker 1: Kareem had to go get off the rack, right, like,
Speaker 1: let's what he would say, right, every I'm giving to
Speaker 1: you like this three times a quarter. Right, then we're
Speaker 1: gonna run it three times. Magic had magic knew exactly
Speaker 1: where everybody was being. Right. I don't think they would
Speaker 1: give it to him, I think, and I listened to
Speaker 1: you when you champion, Lebron, I take my hat off
Speaker 1: to you, and I you know, I had to tell him.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I have like wine for him, a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of stuff, but like he you know, he
Speaker 1: looked at me funny. But anyway, I told him. I said,
Speaker 1: I thought Carmelo should have been the number one pick,
Speaker 1: and I had to apologize. I was like, I was
Speaker 1: one hundred percent wrong. I had no idea you were
Speaker 1: gonna be this good. That's what. And I tell people,
Speaker 1: I said, no matter whatever you think about Lebron, no
Speaker 1: matter what you thought, he was gonna be based on
Speaker 1: him in high school, he's exceeded it. He's the best.
Speaker 1: I'm nervous. I would I would. I look at him
Speaker 1: walk and I go just walk it and I it's like, Oh,
Speaker 1: if you see him walking on court, You're like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, this kid can play. That's first thing you
Speaker 1: do when you see him walk. He gotta walk like
Speaker 1: he walked like an He walked like he's you're about
Speaker 1: to get the numbers. And to see somebody in my
Speaker 1: height shoot like that, KD. It's a whole nother level, right,
Speaker 1: But to see him shoot like that, dribble like magic,
Speaker 1: look for people like magic, take over games like magic.
Speaker 1: It's he's the closest thing to Magic. I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Everybody talking about Michael. He's I've always said magic, Michael.
Speaker 1: Michael was a scorer. Michael just tried. Michael just tried
Speaker 1: to kiy you. Michael didn't want anybody else the kid.
Speaker 1: He wanted the key. You know what they would do
Speaker 1: man at the farm, they would play I Love New York,
Speaker 1: I Love Lay. That song would start and we would
Speaker 1: I love it, love it, and Magic would walk on
Speaker 1: the court and he would go like this, and what
Speaker 1: he was doing. He would look at the ref and
Speaker 1: go all right, don't try it, don't try it. He
Speaker 1: would click everybody on, he would turn and the lights on.
Speaker 1: He would he would make some wind blow man, this dude, Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you some decades and you tell me
Speaker 1: the best player in the decade. So we go. Sixties Chamberlain, Roberts, Robinson,
Speaker 1: Jerry West, Bill Russell, Robinson, Oschool was the best player
Speaker 1: of the sixties, Oscar Robinson. Yeah. Next. Seventies Kareem Boblin,
Speaker 1: Neil Walt Fraser, Bob McAdoo, Jerry West, Eighties, Magic Bird,
Speaker 1: Mo Malone, Kareem, Doc Magic, nineties Jordan a Keen Barkley
Speaker 1: two thousand, Shot Kobe, Dirk Duncan, Lebron, Iverson, Nash Garnett,
Speaker 1: Shock is the most dominant player I've ever seen. But
Speaker 1: you got dirt and Evince Kid. Now I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with Shot twenty ten Bron Steph, Lebron, Rant Kobe, who
Speaker 1: will be the dominant player of the twenty twenties? So
Speaker 1: Luca Steph Job, a Ryan over Luca Job, a Ryan
Speaker 1: over over yok Am, I saying that this am I
Speaker 1: saying it. Get on enough job around chop round, No
Speaker 1: job around. They're go jop around over there. Mam okay,
Speaker 1: give me John Sally's top five players currently playing. Luca Joannas,
Speaker 1: Steph Lebron job a rock. Now, what's the what's the
Speaker 1: other big white guy's name? Nicola Yoki? I get I
Speaker 1: get so nervous watching him, knowing I would had to
Speaker 1: punch him in the face like I would have. I
Speaker 1: would have had to. I would have figured out how
Speaker 1: to like throw the ball to hit him in his face.
Speaker 1: That's the only way to because he's he's looks so awkward, right,
Speaker 1: but he's giving people given numbers. He goes, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get all these rebounds on him, sister, Yeah, that's my five.
Speaker 1: Starting a franchise right now. Durant or the honest Durant.
Speaker 1: I know, man, I was ready for you. You didn't
Speaker 1: know I was ready for you. I would say Giannis,
Speaker 1: but I would say dan Jannis. I mean I would
Speaker 1: say I would say I would always say Durant because
Speaker 1: he really plays defense. He's not lazy, so huge thing,
Speaker 1: he's not lazy. He he's and he's focused when he's
Speaker 1: on court. His job is just put the brown thing,
Speaker 1: the irangsting inside the orangsting more or like I was.
Speaker 1: I think I got to his DM man. I was
Speaker 1: trying to interview him when I was about to do
Speaker 1: interviews for lad TV, and I wanted it was the
Speaker 1: only person I wanted to talk basketball about. It was
Speaker 1: a trip, that was it, and like and like you
Speaker 1: know basketball, I was known football, and I didn't tell
Speaker 1: people the best damn because I knew they were gonna
Speaker 1: put me in every segment, right, so I act like
Speaker 1: I didn't know it, And then I would hear them
Speaker 1: say stuff and I'd be like that. You spoke glowingly
Speaker 1: about Kareem and knowing his history the sixty I think
Speaker 1: sixty sixth summit that they had in Cleveland. He was
Speaker 1: there as a high as a college player. You spoke
Speaker 1: glowingly about Kyrie. I know how you feel about Kyrie,
Speaker 1: was talking about him a little later. Kareem was very
Speaker 1: critical of some of the things that Kyrie said. He
Speaker 1: had at least been critical of Lebron lately. What what
Speaker 1: what is your what is your position on Kareem or
Speaker 1: the old guard being critical of some of the young
Speaker 1: players wanted out of bounds fair file. It was one
Speaker 1: hundred percent out of bounds, the one on Lebron or
Speaker 1: the one on Kyrie, especially on Kyrie, okay, and so
Speaker 1: so we could speak on it. I think this was
Speaker 1: the reason. I think somebody along with him is saying
Speaker 1: to him, if if you want to get things going
Speaker 1: and become relevant and be able to guard the money
Speaker 1: where they bring you in and they be you got
Speaker 1: to say something that is asked not You have to
Speaker 1: in order to be in this system of media controversy
Speaker 1: and and and conflict and a scandal. It's celebrity. Now
Speaker 1: you understand what I'm saying. So to say that the
Speaker 1: school system has let has let Kyrie down, it's saying
Speaker 1: you're duke. Education is useless. But when you say that
Speaker 1: about education, you mean you're programming didn't stick, right, because
Speaker 1: Stephen A. My man, fifty grand went in on Kyrie
Speaker 1: and had COVID twice and barely could walk and thought
Speaker 1: he was on his deathbed. With the vaccine right and
Speaker 1: the boosters right, Kyrie had none of that, right. So,
Speaker 1: but you know, like the vaccine and booster doesn't guarantee
Speaker 1: just like taking the months or the chicken pots with
Speaker 1: all the vaccine doesn't guarantee taking a flu shot. I'm
Speaker 1: a vegan. I've been. I started studying veganism in nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety one and became a complete vegan in two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven. I lived this lifestyle, so I understood, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you had another You had another sixteen years to
Speaker 1: eat meat. You hadn't got it all like your system right,
Speaker 1: So if you get things out of your system, which
Speaker 1: it only right, your system is only right here. So
Speaker 1: if you get things out of your intestines in sixty days,
Speaker 1: thirty days, shoot, and I don't know, eleven months, you
Speaker 1: can have a totally clear system. So knowing that the
Speaker 1: stronger immune system and the stronger your system is, the
Speaker 1: better it is against viruses. About what about Kyrie retweeting
Speaker 1: Alex Jones, a known conspiracist, about Sandy Hook didn't happen?
Speaker 1: The parents are actors, people lost their kids. Yeah. Once again,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I said it on this show,
Speaker 1: but social media has destroyed everything because stop talking to
Speaker 1: the peanut gallery, not that against the black folks are
Speaker 1: in there, you know, and the whatchus stop listening. The
Speaker 1: audience is there to listen to you, right, and to
Speaker 1: sit around and to talk. Just doing things on Twitter
Speaker 1: can get caught up, right, But let me and it.
Speaker 1: As soon as I see it, as soon as I'm
Speaker 1: the biggest Kanye fan, as soon as I see anything
Speaker 1: with Kanye that is huge and talked about everywhere, I
Speaker 1: step back and I looked to my right and left.
Speaker 1: I look around. I go, something's about to happen. Because
Speaker 1: every time they've used Kanye as an excuse or a distraction,
Speaker 1: something went down that we were not paying attention to.
Speaker 1: In this in this present time, they're talking about white
Speaker 1: Lives matter T shirt, Black lives matters. What he's doing?
Speaker 1: People going back and forth? Yeah, and what's up? What's next?
Speaker 1: What are we missing? I think this Africa is upset.
Speaker 1: There's a war about to happen. There's a straight up
Speaker 1: war about to happen, not a war like in Afghanistan.
Speaker 1: We only see it on the news for seven seconds
Speaker 1: and we go back. This one's a real one. These
Speaker 1: are white folks against white folks. There's a real war.
Speaker 1: It's is world war like World War One and World
Speaker 1: War two. This is this is, this is gonna be
Speaker 1: land changers. But they're gonna talk about Kanye. Well, Kanye
Speaker 1: putting that out there. We didn't want to talk about Kanye.
Speaker 1: You think we like talking about Kanye. Put it out there.
Speaker 1: Kanye walk with a shirt or everybody walk with a shot.
Speaker 1: That's exactly. He knows how to be a distraction. He
Speaker 1: knows how to make you say yay. No, I don't
Speaker 1: say anything because I think, no, that's not here. No day,
Speaker 1: I don't keep that much. I know I do it
Speaker 1: because I watched your show. I was just trying to.
Speaker 1: But when when Kanye is has changed everything in the
Speaker 1: twenty first century, he is he is. He is motark.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go there. I'm saying that right now. He's
Speaker 1: a motark. Yeah, but those guys were anyway, Kareem has
Speaker 1: said some things about Lebron. I noticed that, But Kareem
Speaker 1: didn't become very critical Lebron until Lebron got started getting
Speaker 1: closer and closer to that record. He was never critical Lebron.
Speaker 1: Remember Eric Dickinson, don't like you if you can run,
Speaker 1: if you get to, if you get yards, don't like it.
Speaker 1: But but here's the thing. He'd even made it abundant
Speaker 1: la clear. He like, yeah, I don't want I don't
Speaker 1: want h about to break that record exactly what to keep.
Speaker 1: But Kareem is like, y'all, I'm I'm you know, if
Speaker 1: he if somebody is fortunate enough to break the record, YadA, YadA, YadA,
Speaker 1: I'm cool with it. And even if you're not, I
Speaker 1: don't believe you should be dismissive or search for things
Speaker 1: to say it. Okay, Well this person doesn't see he
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like he's right, or he didn't say it publicly. Well,
Speaker 1: I didn't Kareem. I'm old enough to remember how they
Speaker 1: treated Kareem in the media. He should want not he
Speaker 1: should not want to be the person who does it.
Speaker 1: But it wasn't like Kareem was very cooperate with the media.
Speaker 1: But also that well, that's why he shouldn't want to
Speaker 1: do that, Like like bruh, they were killing you, yes,
Speaker 1: killing you. Why would you want to do that to
Speaker 1: another young cat? Doesn't deserve it? Right, it doesn't deserve it.
Speaker 1: We mentioned this earlier Draymond in Jordan Pool put your
Speaker 1: put your thing, because you know, it's like, well, obviously,
Speaker 1: when did this happen yesterday? It seemed like it seems
Speaker 1: to me like Draymond is the gatekeeper, like all, like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is the way we do things here and if
Speaker 1: someone gets out of line. You know, everybody, every team
Speaker 1: has a gatekeeper. Everybody has a gatekeeper. What they say,
Speaker 1: he hit him in his eye for we don't really
Speaker 1: know because this punch him in his eye and hit
Speaker 1: him with the ball. Well he put they say, they said,
Speaker 1: I guess they he struck him, he sucker punched him,
Speaker 1: or he had him know it. I mean, my thing is,
Speaker 1: you don't walk Look, you don't walk up on someone
Speaker 1: if you ain't really trying to squabble this notion like
Speaker 1: you and you're like you in third grade, and y'all
Speaker 1: walk up with somebody. You circle around, what you're gonna do,
Speaker 1: what you're gonna Don't touch me, don't push me, don't
Speaker 1: cross this line. Right but you grown now different rules apply.
Speaker 1: If we stepped to somebody, I feel threatened. Thank you,
Speaker 1: I feel threatened. I'm carrying this situation. I feel threatened,
Speaker 1: and I'm about to hit your throat. You won't be
Speaker 1: able to tell anybody what happened. How do you get
Speaker 1: how do you get past? Okay, teammates fight, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: this is a bad one. If he if he has
Speaker 1: a swollen eye, he now is gonna be think about this, Well,
Speaker 1: he beca't come to it. He can't be on team.
Speaker 1: He can't. The media can't ever get that because they
Speaker 1: get the eye. You know that's a mean though. It's
Speaker 1: a meme. And and your kids can't go to school together.
Speaker 1: Your girl is gonna be like, yeah, keep talking to me.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call Draymond over here. Yeah, you got domestic
Speaker 1: Violet the house. If you ever get beat to yell, Oh,
Speaker 1: you talk to me, Craig, you ain't talking about till
Speaker 1: crazy talk like you're talking to me. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: saying that man, whoa, whoa? They say, where's all this aggression?
Speaker 1: You didn't have it for Draymond? Right, you know you
Speaker 1: rave your boys. You get all big with me. I
Speaker 1: have nobody. You shouldn't get that the hill so Draymond
Speaker 1: might get pulled going in there, shoot up the whole place.
Speaker 1: You get past? I mean, how do you? Because I'm little.
Speaker 1: For me, I've never really gotten in a fight with
Speaker 1: a tea one time in my freshman year in college. Uh,
Speaker 1: and he ended up leaving, you know, basically before the
Speaker 1: thing was over. And I'm not a fighter. I just like, look,
Speaker 1: I just want to do my thing Hey, I'm respectful
Speaker 1: to everybody. Hey, I'm giving your space, you're giving my space.
Speaker 1: But I ain't no pump. Now you're not fl You're
Speaker 1: not fin to disrespect me, right, and so if you
Speaker 1: disrespect me, I got You know, I don't really know
Speaker 1: how tough I am, Sally, but I'm trying to not
Speaker 1: let you find out how tough I am. Wow. So
Speaker 1: I don't really know. I don't know what I'm cable
Speaker 1: to do. I'm a nice carriage when I got to it.
Speaker 1: When I got to a ladder from New York, I'm
Speaker 1: walking in the au Center and this cop sees me.
Speaker 1: You know, I got my can go on, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm like this and you know I'm walking with you know,
Speaker 1: and he said, hey, hey, And I walked by him
Speaker 1: and he said, yeah, I talk to you. I said,
Speaker 1: I hear you. I ain't doing nothing. I turned around
Speaker 1: and when I turned around, he got this nice stick out.
Speaker 1: He just hit the back of my pocket. He said,
Speaker 1: dumb move, pulled my double on seven out. He goes,
Speaker 1: you're about to run high. I go, hell, yeah, he goes,
Speaker 1: just run. I ain't gonna do this, but you can't
Speaker 1: carry this knife. So I'm a knife carry I see
Speaker 1: that to this day, I couldn't get in here because
Speaker 1: you know, I respect your security. But but I've been
Speaker 1: rolling up on me. I'm I'm thinking you're gonna hurt me. Right,
Speaker 1: that's like if you you know what tech kills. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've lived in George, so I know what take hill. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you probably had to carry wood. It's tech wood.
Speaker 1: I want you it didn't use a feeling. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: probably you probably had to have. But if somebody walk
Speaker 1: up on you, yes, I remember. If we are we
Speaker 1: got a disagreement going on. Oh man, what you know?
Speaker 1: If our boss is getting more animated rage, I'm not
Speaker 1: to just let you walk up on me. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: you know Pool there's a smooth cat. No, no, bro,
Speaker 1: you ain't that. No bro, if we if I want
Speaker 1: to see his eye, I want to see that. Now
Speaker 1: you're about to make Joe see exactly if there's nothing
Speaker 1: left but jokes want to see the eye. So now
Speaker 1: we got to fight every day everything till you just
Speaker 1: hit him in his eye. You're not going to look
Speaker 1: me up and help me walking around here looking like
Speaker 1: the elephant man and we cool? That brought us together? No,
Speaker 1: it didn't. No, no, hell no, it didn't. I wish
Speaker 1: I want to see the eye. Now we mentioned Draymond
Speaker 1: because Draymond played in the eighties. Oh yes, Draymond would
Speaker 1: have been me and Draymond would have been best I
Speaker 1: and I loved the bravido. I love the way he plays.
Speaker 1: But you know, back then, they take if you, if
Speaker 1: you went, if you were a tough guy, you had
Speaker 1: to prove it because somebody's gonna step till you. You know,
Speaker 1: back oh built that reputation and Mahorn them built that reputation.
Speaker 1: No fine, if you if something happened, you got to
Speaker 1: fight the rest broke y'all up. They would tell the coach, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: get them substitutes, and you go sit down, calment the
Speaker 1: cool down. And then when they felt you were cool enough,
Speaker 1: you can go back in the game. They have to
Speaker 1: for you to be in the locker room. We're paying
Speaker 1: you all this be paying you were paying you ten
Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year. Let's get in there, switching arrows.
Speaker 1: Give me some guys that you think could have been
Speaker 1: the same place. They're great now, but they would be
Speaker 1: great in your era. Lebron James K. D. Okay, Damon Lillard,
Speaker 1: Jim Rant, Timon rand is my man. I made my
Speaker 1: wife watch I say hey only for a second because
Speaker 1: I don't like you looking at these young kids. Watch this. Okay,
Speaker 1: I get out of the way. What about Yannis, oh Man,
Speaker 1: Yannest Yannis would they probably would have been in foul trouble,
Speaker 1: but Jannis would be an unbelievable player in our deck.
Speaker 1: And it's funny I listen into different those different podcasts
Speaker 1: where guys talk about decades like your but arenas and
Speaker 1: when they talk about guy they didn't realize that old
Speaker 1: man strength when they elbow you and your third rib
Speaker 1: and then you and then your top rib knowing why
Speaker 1: they did that, you know what I'm saying, or knee
Speaker 1: and you right above your thigh or elbow and you
Speaker 1: and your here like things that they would do like
Speaker 1: pointy doing things. And then all of a sudden, you
Speaker 1: can't do this naturally, right, you get the chicken wing.
Speaker 1: Now you miss him, like they didn't realize all those
Speaker 1: nuances in the game. So all the bumps and all
Speaker 1: the bumps and bruce that they were putting on you
Speaker 1: was for a reason. Yeah, man, Like it's almost like
Speaker 1: hitting somebody constantly and over here where the liver resides right. Eventually,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna want to move your arm to throw
Speaker 1: a punch right. And if this is your job, it
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be worth anything because your body is not
Speaker 1: gonna want to throw it right. This those kind of nuances.
Speaker 1: But I think I think there's some really one athleticism.
Speaker 1: You know, people can't say they've never seen No, We've
Speaker 1: seen David Thompson. We've seen Bana King give fifty two
Speaker 1: nights in a row. Bana King would give people fifty
Speaker 1: and shake his shoulders and shoot on the way up.
Speaker 1: It was amazing. Adrian Danley led the lead in scaring
Speaker 1: two times. He was six to four so and he
Speaker 1: didn't jump high right, and he didn't have a long
Speaker 1: range jump shot. And he led the NBA in scoring.
Speaker 1: So things like that, like guys would have to understand
Speaker 1: now it's they were more technical, right. We only have
Speaker 1: two refs too. There was a different way to play.
Speaker 1: You played, you go, you leave Detroit, you go to Chicago.
Speaker 1: What was your expectation when you went to Chicago? And
Speaker 1: what was it like playing with Jordan one? How did
Speaker 1: you yea? How the hell did you go that's your okay?
Speaker 1: Because I don't you know, I'm not a gang member.
Speaker 1: I don't follow colors you follow, agreed. I was like,
Speaker 1: I worked for IBM in the Detroit office, the Miami office,
Speaker 1: the Toronto office, the Chicago office, in the Los angelesof Okay,
Speaker 1: But I worked for IBM, right, That's that's the way
Speaker 1: I always was. Okay. Uh The crazy thing is Jerry
Speaker 1: crowds gard wrested so told me he was gonna take
Speaker 1: me number nine. So but then you know, they told
Speaker 1: me they were gonna take me number two to Boston too,
Speaker 1: that I was landing. So I said, well, at least
Speaker 1: I'm going to Chicago. I visited three times. Ryan's Off
Speaker 1: likes me. I still do an event in Vegas every
Speaker 1: year with Ryan's Off. And I'm thinking, I'm going to
Speaker 1: Chicago and they take Brad Seller and I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: I have like thirty seven people in the stands. I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: I wish I had a dog whistle. We're gonna tear
Speaker 1: this this place up if I don't get drafted in
Speaker 1: the first round, right and uh so, so I thought
Speaker 1: I was gonna be in Chicago. So I told Jerry Krause,
Speaker 1: and I told h read our back. Every time I
Speaker 1: played there, I was gonna play like I was playing
Speaker 1: a home game, and I did every every Boston game.
Speaker 1: I was trying to give him the business. And in Chicago,
Speaker 1: if I saw Brad Sellers, who you know, I was
Speaker 1: cool with, but if I saw him, I wanted to
Speaker 1: prove they made a mistake on the draft every single time.
Speaker 1: Hey Mike, One time we played Michael Shannon and he said, yeah,
Speaker 1: after the game, man, I got to Ferrari. I said, oh,
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see it. He goes, yeah, he
Speaker 1: just got out of his deal with Chevrolet so he
Speaker 1: can drive a Ferrari now in town. And we beat him.
Speaker 1: In my mom, what happened man? Hanging out with you?
Speaker 1: You know? Uh So I always just I always looked
Speaker 1: at it that I was going to work and after
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't live and
Speaker 1: die and live with it that way. But I love Chicago.
Speaker 1: It was one of my favorite It was my favorite
Speaker 1: parts of my career. I mean, you look at it.
Speaker 1: You played with a couple of top seventy five players,
Speaker 1: You had Isaiah, Joe Doody, You go to Chicago, you
Speaker 1: played with Scotty and Mike. You go to LA and
Speaker 1: you got Shock and Kobe. What was it like each
Speaker 1: stop along the way. Because you got Shock and Kobe
Speaker 1: early Jordan Pepper with their veteran ball club, they had,
Speaker 1: you know, already had to you know, the three p
Speaker 1: they were already established, I mean Jordan probably by the
Speaker 1: time you got to Joe, Yeah, twelve. Isaiah and Joe
Speaker 1: they literally trained me and taught me. I learned a
Speaker 1: lot I still do. Man like Isaiah's I learned from
Speaker 1: Isaiah every day. I don't talk to Joe that much anymore.
Speaker 1: But then you get to Michael and Scottie. It was
Speaker 1: a well oiled machine. And I thought, however they practiced
Speaker 1: in Chicago's how everybody's pause. I remember going through that practice,
Speaker 1: and I, you know, I used to think practice was
Speaker 1: useless on something. I'm better off practicing by myself. Except
Speaker 1: in Chicago it was. It was it was targeted, and
Speaker 1: it was it looked like everything was helping you to
Speaker 1: get better and better and better. And then when I
Speaker 1: got to the Lakers, man I saw one I didn't
Speaker 1: really realize how Mammoth shaquill it shack is huge. You
Speaker 1: don't realize, No, you don't. And then I would hate
Speaker 1: to have to have played again Shack I did, but
Speaker 1: I would hate to have to do it as a
Speaker 1: for a living. Like you know what I'm saying. I'm
Speaker 1: glad I was at the end of my career because
Speaker 1: it's it's a hard thing to have to deal with
Speaker 1: him four times a year. And then Kobe was just
Speaker 1: turning into this thing. He was turning into this unbelievable
Speaker 1: copycat of Michael. But you know, tide pluck, tide evergreen,
Speaker 1: this is what I call it. Like you have tied
Speaker 1: and tide plus right tide uh uh, Mountain fresh and
Speaker 1: tie ever Mountain fresh and tide Uh. What would it
Speaker 1: be y'all? Known as the baby baby s Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: those are the versions of Michael. But the closest was Covid.
Speaker 1: It was it was the the best thing about being
Speaker 1: with MJ is one He smoked good cigars drank Really
Speaker 1: can you believe that he was able to do that
Speaker 1: with smoking cigars and drinking as much as he did
Speaker 1: not he not, He's I'm not saying he's an alcoholic,
Speaker 1: but he enjoyed. He enjoyed the bread. But but but
Speaker 1: he the figars, he loved figures. He gonna get, he
Speaker 1: gonna get three sticks of date. But I mean too,
Speaker 1: but you don't. You don't. You don't smoke sigardsgard smoke,
Speaker 1: So you don't Inhale siguys, the cigars just sitting there
Speaker 1: to feed the spirits and let the Yeah, exactly, you're
Speaker 1: telling yourself that, Yeah, but you don't. You don't Inhale siguys.
Speaker 1: You you're Inhales cigarettes and you Inhale uh cannabis, which
Speaker 1: you should now inhaling cannabis, because I meant to tell
Speaker 1: you in the way over here, you don't partake in cannabis.
Speaker 1: You don't. Yeah, you know, you won't live as long
Speaker 1: as me because of it. But but it's about to
Speaker 1: be passed, like Biden just decided he was gonna legally
Speaker 1: push the board legalizing it. I might even vote for Biden.
Speaker 1: I might start getting me open up me a shop
Speaker 1: like you did. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You mentioned
Speaker 1: that you were you were playing against Charles Oakley and
Speaker 1: he punched you in the stomach, dead man. No, you
Speaker 1: weren't playing againt him without a comedy show right now,
Speaker 1: we went to Kentucky Derby. So what happened? So Dave
Speaker 1: Chappelle walks up with Chris Tucker. He goes out, Michael
Speaker 1: sitting and here's your man, Michael, right here, right here,
Speaker 1: right here, right one time? Michael or Kobe which one?
Speaker 1: And I look at Michael and Oakley's over here. I
Speaker 1: don't even see him put his glass down and get
Speaker 1: we inside. I had to boot. It's like all black
Speaker 1: people in this boot. And I said money at twenty seven,
Speaker 1: young fella would give you the business. And Oakley came
Speaker 1: out of nowhere and not all undershanow. When I tell
Speaker 1: you he hit me, You ever get punched, don't see
Speaker 1: the punch coming. It's like a quarterback not seeing he's
Speaker 1: about to get destroyed for the back. He hit me
Speaker 1: so hard. Man, I'm heavy handed to people. Don't realize
Speaker 1: how big oaks and Mike was like, you know, sound crazy.
Speaker 1: He just messed with them. I was like trying to
Speaker 1: act like I was laughing, trying to find air, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I give me air, oh man, I should,
Speaker 1: And it was I'm glad there was no women understanding
Speaker 1: what I was saying. Just look like boys playing man.
Speaker 1: I would have had to get one on the eye.
Speaker 1: Ain't gonna have me laughing. You take my breath away,
Speaker 1: just like Oakley did with that punch. You you uh
Speaker 1: lad Bird. You played against like I said, du dude,
Speaker 1: I mean y'all were in the same same conference, and
Speaker 1: you played each other so many times, in the Eastern
Speaker 1: Conference Final, in the in the in the playoffs. They
Speaker 1: say Larry was more of a trash talker than Jordans. Yes,
Speaker 1: and me and O. This is the crazy thing. Larry
Speaker 1: Bird as a black guy, you know, the bleach the
Speaker 1: skin just so he can, just so he wasn't get
Speaker 1: in trouble going downtown and because if you heard his
Speaker 1: diction you would understand the tude. But Matt, but Larry
Speaker 1: was just the business. Like I saw. I'm so happy
Speaker 1: on TikTok TikTok. Somebody put other Larry Bird pieces and
Speaker 1: then you can ask magic. He didn't miss those big
Speaker 1: shots went in right, those big plays he made right.
Speaker 1: He said. It was disrespectful for you for the opposing
Speaker 1: coach to put a white player on him and say
Speaker 1: you disrespect him, and you disrespect him my game to
Speaker 1: not to give me. Yeah, I want all the smoke
Speaker 1: and then he was gonna talks man and sound like it.
Speaker 1: And that's how I knew that he was passed on Blanc.
Speaker 1: He was passive for White. He was just passive. Is
Speaker 1: that why him and Doc got into it? Say he
Speaker 1: was talking, he was talking. He was talking to Doc.
Speaker 1: He said, you're old man. This is my lead. Now,
Speaker 1: this is my lead. Take the three with you. And
Speaker 1: he would say, he would say, side, you better get help, you,
Speaker 1: you better ask for help. And then no, I want
Speaker 1: on him. I got him, I got him draws. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: somebody about to get n't take this. I'm a foul him.
Speaker 1: This is really good kanyact. I'm not that I'm surprised.
Speaker 1: I'm pleasantly surplied. I'm pleasant. I'm not angry surprised. I
Speaker 1: can't believe it. You know what, I got one for you?
Speaker 1: I want you to give me your all time starting five,
Speaker 1: but your former teammates who wo so somebody to go
Speaker 1: get left off this day? I got Brian Shaw. I've
Speaker 1: never done this. Okay, what do you mean the guys
Speaker 1: I like to hang out with now you're all times.
Speaker 1: I need you to give me your starting five or
Speaker 1: your former teammates starting five. Yeah, oh, I'm not in there.
Speaker 1: I'm coaching. I mean, you want to put yourself in there,
Speaker 1: but I don't know why you would do that. But okay,
Speaker 1: I'm coaching. You asking five around me? You mean four others?
Speaker 1: I would have Shaquille, Bill lamb Beer okay, Dennis Rodman Okay,
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant. Oh oh oh, I that Kannak made me
Speaker 1: think about feel like I'm on drink. Champs hold on, Sakil, Kobe, Kobe, Isaiah, Isaiah, Michael, Michael,
Speaker 1: Dennis Rodman. Okay, let me tell you what would happen?
Speaker 1: What would what would their record be? They would their
Speaker 1: record would be? Would they be would they be Golden State?
Speaker 1: They seven people punched in the face. This is why
Speaker 1: Michael is not going to pass the ball. Okay, Kobe
Speaker 1: is not going to pass the ball. Isaiah, depending on
Speaker 1: the day, is going to tell you who is going
Speaker 1: to get the ball. Okay. Dennis is going to play
Speaker 1: the toughest defense on whoever the other big is, and
Speaker 1: Shaquill's gonna be in the middle. So and I'm glad
Speaker 1: we did that. When people put teams together, you have
Speaker 1: to put when when when I developed a human. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry when God developed a human. Same difference when God
Speaker 1: developed a human. And let's just talk about the spine. Right,
Speaker 1: there's bone and then there's this. Both of them are important, right,
Speaker 1: But you can't have all bone, right because now you
Speaker 1: have to get it fused and you have no no
Speaker 1: ability to be flexible. Right, so you need Draymond Green
Speaker 1: to snap, snap snap. Only get six points, five rebounds.
Speaker 1: But this guy only got four points and he thinks
Speaker 1: he after listening to Draymond, He's gonna go home and
Speaker 1: ask his wife. Is all that true what Draymond was
Speaker 1: saying on the court, right, he's got it unwinded, right,
Speaker 1: So it's just hard to have one basketball and guys
Speaker 1: who have to have the basketball on the same team.
Speaker 1: Is Isaiah the greatest player you've ever played with? I think? So?
Speaker 1: I think? Did you not play with Michael? Did you
Speaker 1: not play with Shaggy Kobe? Yeah? What da? What happened?
Speaker 1: Isaiah was six feet tall, two time champion, five MVP,
Speaker 1: twelve time All Star, two time All Star Game MVP,
Speaker 1: all time all NBA. Yeah, I think Michael was the greatest.
Speaker 1: I say that, and he knows why I say that.
Speaker 1: Just pissed him off. I used to say to him, money,
Speaker 1: these people you're messire. I say it, in two thousand years,
Speaker 1: In two thousand years, they're gonna be worshiping like they're
Speaker 1: gonna be Jesus who like you're the beside. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was like, shut up side, and I go, dog, think
Speaker 1: about it. Some people literally worship their whole lives and
Speaker 1: have everything based upon you, And if they met you,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't talk to him, you wouldn't say anything, so
Speaker 1: like you'd be like yo, security. But some people are
Speaker 1: like stuck in that piece. And I said that. I
Speaker 1: would say to uh James Worthy, I said, can you
Speaker 1: believe the way they treat Michael. He goes, yeah, skinny
Speaker 1: little Michael. They actually like skinny little Michael. It is
Speaker 1: the best player there. Because when we were in college,
Speaker 1: he was just skinny. You know, we would laugh about it.
Speaker 1: We laugh about it was Mike Jordan. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, you know he was when he went
Speaker 1: and tried it out. It was Clyde Drexon was going
Speaker 1: at him. This person was going at him, and then
Speaker 1: he just he turned into like this unbelievd like little Wayne.
Speaker 1: When he was part of the Hot Boys and then
Speaker 1: he turned into weezy. But the thing, you've been around him,
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like Mike. The aura around him.
Speaker 1: The man is like he levitating Eddie Murphy. He I've
Speaker 1: never Eddie Murphy. I've never been around Eddie. I've been
Speaker 1: around some famous actors and actresses and seen some famous people,
Speaker 1: but Jordan is like Jordan levitate. Yeah, yeah, he changed it.
Speaker 1: You know. It's so funny too, because you you you
Speaker 1: you based everything upon Michael Jordan. Even Tom Brady is
Speaker 1: based upon Michael Jordan. Right, he's the Jordan the football. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's the Jordan the basketball. Yeah, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: What was the other cat? So I did a a
Speaker 1: friend of mine and say his name, you know, wanted
Speaker 1: to meet Beyonce. Uh. And it's right before September eleven,
Speaker 1: and we're at this at this event in New York,
Speaker 1: and so I introduced Beyonce to him and she got hi,
Speaker 1: and she go, John, I want to meet Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: I said, I felt different. I said that I felt different.
Speaker 1: I didn't know he was in Like he literally changed
Speaker 1: the molecules in the room, right, Michael Jordan does the
Speaker 1: same thing. Yeah, I begged him to go out with
Speaker 1: us in Philadelphia. We go out. We're going the back way.
Speaker 1: We spoke as the guards in the joint and the
Speaker 1: owner of the start of the club come and go
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan and my club. Cut the music off and
Speaker 1: turn the lights on. He wanted everybody to see Michael
Speaker 1: Jordan's in his club. I'm telling you, he changes the
Speaker 1: way people move. His His new wife is is the
Speaker 1: bomb too, because her making him do normal things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's dope. It's good for him. You know, it's kind
Speaker 1: of crazy because he's very isolated early on. I mean
Speaker 1: he didn't really do anything. He didn't do I mean
Speaker 1: really anything publicly. No. We were in Monte Carlo and
Speaker 1: uh Mob's Hagler was, you know, he moved to Italy
Speaker 1: and he was in Central Peg and he saw Michael
Speaker 1: and Mike was more impressed to seeing U Marvin Hagler
Speaker 1: than they were just happy to talk to one another.
Speaker 1: And then we were walking in the street and I go,
Speaker 1: how you like this? He goes, No one's bothering me.
Speaker 1: I go, because you don't you make less than them.
Speaker 1: We're in Monte Carlo, Like, bro, you you you're not
Speaker 1: making anywhere close to this money right here, so him,
Speaker 1: you know, I took it for granted because I can
Speaker 1: go anywhere, and I can go anywhere, and then I
Speaker 1: don't y'all know who I think I am. I supposed
Speaker 1: to be up front, but he can't go anywhere. So
Speaker 1: it's it's do you think he's the most recognizable person
Speaker 1: in the world used to be? Who you think it
Speaker 1: is now Kanye West? If I'm if I'm wrong, That's
Speaker 1: why I told you he's brilliant. He is brilliant. I
Speaker 1: would have said. The only people that could probably rival him,
Speaker 1: and as far as face recognition probably Christiano Ronaldo. No,
Speaker 1: uh no, probably Messy. No, they're just soccer players. They
Speaker 1: gotta have their jerseys are Nah, people know them. I
Speaker 1: guarantee you that man got five hundred million followers. I
Speaker 1: haf a billion, Kanye got six billion dollars. No, you
Speaker 1: do realize like most like Elon Musk, music trans sends everything.
Speaker 1: So you think you think Kanye' is more recognizable than Jordan,
Speaker 1: Messi or Renaldo right now? Like some people didn't know
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan played basketball now, but you know what he
Speaker 1: or Tiger when Tiger was at his hip. You don't
Speaker 1: know what Tiger looked like. Now Tiger got a limp.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I ain't gonna say nothing
Speaker 1: mean shanity. Wait, he ain't got that walk anymore. He doesn't,
Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't show up in those spots anymore.
Speaker 1: He's downplaying it, trying to you know, he's letting everything
Speaker 1: die down before Tiger strikes back. He's ready to prop
Speaker 1: You think he could. You think we'll ever see one
Speaker 1: more glimpse of what he gave us a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago at the Masters. If Tiger got into hot yoga,
Speaker 1: this is true statement. If Tiger got into yoga, he'd
Speaker 1: be back and be hot yoga. He'd be back to
Speaker 1: the Tiger we knew, because every other distraction got in
Speaker 1: tiger life got in the way. So once he centers himself,
Speaker 1: he's unstoppable. Are you sad? Are you disappointed? Or upset? Sad?
Speaker 1: I guess sad. It's a better choice of words to
Speaker 1: see how it's playing out between Scotty and Michael. Did
Speaker 1: you ever think it? Did you ever think it would
Speaker 1: get to this? Because I thought I always think mine.
Speaker 1: I thought it was I thought they were cool. I
Speaker 1: thought they were clowning. I thought they clowned you know,
Speaker 1: he's clowning it. You know, Michael clowns him and stuff. Right.
Speaker 1: I think the last dance did this because Jordan said
Speaker 1: something the last dance because if it's the first of all,
Speaker 1: Michael won't say anything. He didn't say to your face.
Speaker 1: But no, but here's the thing. If why would you
Speaker 1: put Scotty not Jordan, you weren't there. Why would you
Speaker 1: put Scotty not going into the game in ninety four
Speaker 1: when you weren't there? Why would you put that in
Speaker 1: your documentary? It's like me, I got something, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna put something that's not that's not pleasing to John
Speaker 1: in my documentary. What the hell? You look like? I
Speaker 1: gotta do it? Did I do it? This is the deal.
Speaker 1: Scotty was wrong in ninety four. Yes, and this was
Speaker 1: part of the story on how Tony Kucko got to
Speaker 1: it and how but that was that that didn't last,
Speaker 1: that that ain't by part of the Jordan's story. Jordan
Speaker 1: went on the team. Well he also didn't edit it,
Speaker 1: but you know, you know, just exactly they had to say, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he got he got final safe. He goes some Cutton
Speaker 1: no shoe hell Jordan has saying that he did, Hey
Speaker 1: you and shouting I'm gonna tell you right now, you
Speaker 1: had the best interview with Lamar Oldham, period and period.
Speaker 1: Lad almost had it. Lad almost had that interview. The
Speaker 1: boy didn't. He didn't show up. I'm telling you you
Speaker 1: had the best interview. Appreciate that. Lamar he said seriously,
Speaker 1: he said no to everybody else but you and felt
Speaker 1: comfortable telling you his truth. You're not how crazy that is? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wish you would have want to cut something out
Speaker 1: and I was, and I was a producing on here.
Speaker 1: I'd be shouting, you know, you're right, We're gonna cut
Speaker 1: it out, and then I'll have somebody go get you
Speaker 1: drunk while we put it on the air. I could
Speaker 1: say sorry to you. After we get the points the Lakers.
Speaker 1: You go to the Lakers, after you stared with the bulls.
Speaker 1: The Lakers basically signed you the baby shit babysit shot.
Speaker 1: Now you guys, I mean you do have some familiarity,
Speaker 1: both of you adults mgat side five the purplely Gold. Yes,
Speaker 1: this is the deal. That's not that's that's how I
Speaker 1: got in. Okay, I did you know I'm I don't
Speaker 1: know if you noticed, but I'm I'm a psychic. So
Speaker 1: I literally was watching like old, yeah, we're gonna put
Speaker 1: I had put over. I was a psycho. I caught
Speaker 1: Field and I gonna dog, you ain't gonna let these
Speaker 1: two guys not win a championship. And I had no
Speaker 1: idea he was negotiating with the Lakers, right, So I
Speaker 1: had to play it off like, well, you know, I
Speaker 1: know the inside, so you better put me. I had to.
Speaker 1: I realized I tapped in at the right time, and
Speaker 1: so I had to act like, Okay, you're going in.
Speaker 1: You're gonna need me because I do this. And my
Speaker 1: job wasn't to babysit. It was literally, Field believes in vets,
Speaker 1: and I said, I lived five doors from shot. He
Speaker 1: listens to me. He's one of my favorite people on
Speaker 1: the planet. When I needed money financially, Kat hit me down.
Speaker 1: And when I was like, I'm gonna pay you back,
Speaker 1: it don't pay me back. I was like, damn, like this,
Speaker 1: leave some money. You gonna pay me back? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I know that's right. I'm hurt your eyes and uh,
Speaker 1: but when you I was sitting there and I would
Speaker 1: do this the shot. I knew that, I knew the offense.
Speaker 1: I thought the offense was beautiful, and so you know,
Speaker 1: TEXT loved that I knew the offense. Loved that I
Speaker 1: loved he literally wrote the book and then autographed it
Speaker 1: to me. I knew the words and why it worked,
Speaker 1: a new other nuances of it. And so I would
Speaker 1: just stand behind Shack when I'm guarding him. But he
Speaker 1: would say something and Chat would go to make a
Speaker 1: move that everybody would make. I go, don't move. He
Speaker 1: knows you're gonna make that move. Let this happen because
Speaker 1: this person is not knowing what comes after this. And
Speaker 1: this Shack would listen. And then Shack said, why can't
Speaker 1: I just post up right here? I said, you can,
Speaker 1: but wait till late in the gate. Things like that.
Speaker 1: And then we went to Boston and me and Shaq's uncle,
Speaker 1: we we got to go out. Shack couldn't go out.
Speaker 1: Shack could go out, but we got to go out.
Speaker 1: Besides that, I think it's mostly energy. The reason I've
Speaker 1: been on teams that one championship is I bring a
Speaker 1: better energy. I'm a teammate, I'm a I'm a hard worker.
Speaker 1: I make sure like hey, man, we gotta be on
Speaker 1: the bus at this time. That that constant tick on
Speaker 1: what we have to do. Those are kind of things
Speaker 1: I get to. Yeah, you saw me over CJ with
Speaker 1: my eye watering. Somebody must have plenty earlier. No, so
Speaker 1: what happened Saturn is I got radio. I went and
Speaker 1: got my eyes operated on because I ain't want to
Speaker 1: show you how big my glass. Yeah, and then you
Speaker 1: tell your Vegan though I thought, Vegan, don't getting don't
Speaker 1: get anything wrong, No, no, no, no, ever I had
Speaker 1: this was bad eyesight since I was in green and
Speaker 1: I know my daughter said that too. I wish better.
Speaker 1: Carro team was really the only thing that would help
Speaker 1: my eye. I didn't see so much bad stuff my
Speaker 1: eyes watering, and and and literally I got when I
Speaker 1: got poked in the eye. It kind of messed it up.
Speaker 1: Somebody my tear duck keeps watering. They told me that's
Speaker 1: a part of the illuminati too. That's what they said
Speaker 1: on the internet. That's why I said everything on the internet. Boy,
Speaker 1: I was saying, I didn't even know why what's happening?
Speaker 1: Longf I know, we see what happened last week with
Speaker 1: the situation in Boston. I made Idoka. Do you believe
Speaker 1: he'll ever coach? I made Idoka? Oh really, Udoka? I
Speaker 1: made Eudoka. Don't make me make jokes Adoka Udoka. Do
Speaker 1: you believe he'll coach again? No? Hell's no. So why
Speaker 1: they so? Why they do this to my own? Were
Speaker 1: gonna suspending for the season and then we're gonna reevaluate.
Speaker 1: Why not go? You know the real reason I think
Speaker 1: they wanted. Normally in a situation like this, when they have,
Speaker 1: you know, the gout, normally come there and says I'm resigning,
Speaker 1: you know, blah blah blah, and they're hoping he resigned,
Speaker 1: then you don't have to pay the money. He's like, no, not.
Speaker 1: If somebody resigned, you gotta pay it. Yeah, So why
Speaker 1: don't you just resly to get your money, because then
Speaker 1: they're gonna invoke the moral club, which means they don't
Speaker 1: have to pay. And if I suspend you, I don't
Speaker 1: have to. They ain't police officers. Right, he ain't gonna
Speaker 1: suspend you with pay. Right, You're not gonna kill a
Speaker 1: black guy. Jesus, you're not going on the minut straight League.
Speaker 1: Yet you didn't kill a black eye. Come on, So
Speaker 1: that's what they're gonna do. They're gonna suffering, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna let you have to deal with this, that you
Speaker 1: have to sleep with this, Let you have to go
Speaker 1: with this the whole day. Could they have lived differently? No, No,
Speaker 1: they had They had to say we suspended. They don't
Speaker 1: believe in any of any of the things that's happening
Speaker 1: until I know for sure when they come out with
Speaker 1: this is what happened. My my heart goes out to
Speaker 1: my friend Nia because she don't want to be known
Speaker 1: for this, right, She don't want to be known for
Speaker 1: the girl. She don't she's an actress, she's a director,
Speaker 1: she's a mom. It's a bad bitch. Yes, she don't
Speaker 1: want to be that's the thing Nia wants to be
Speaker 1: known for. So I know that pistol Off at that piece.
Speaker 1: I've been around it since the eighties, right, Well, I'm
Speaker 1: sorry Nia, since the two thousands when she was only
Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen. No, but I've been around it for a
Speaker 1: long time, and I think that however it is, they
Speaker 1: thought of the way to literally twist the knife constantly
Speaker 1: and let you die slow. But there's no reason to
Speaker 1: ever let him be a coach somewhere else. Well not.
Speaker 1: I mean that's a that's an unforgivable no. Now, everywhere
Speaker 1: you go as a coach, that's all you're gonna be
Speaker 1: known for it. That's why they suspended him. So this
Speaker 1: can constantly soak and soak and fester and fester and fester.
Speaker 1: What about what if he goes to college? What college?
Speaker 1: What booster is going to sit down and want you
Speaker 1: to stand next to his man. It's hard for me
Speaker 1: to believe that I made Doka, did the worst thing
Speaker 1: ever for a coach, and he can't get another job.
Speaker 1: I feel sorry for you not knowing it. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: you'd be better off giving Brett father ebt card. He
Speaker 1: probably got a bunchet old. He got a bunchet old.
Speaker 1: He got a bunch of got a bunchet old, a
Speaker 1: bunch of Bernard TVs Bernard, Bernard Bernard phone. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's not gonna make it. But that was funny. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about let's talk about that Bad Boys Piston team.
Speaker 1: And you mentioned obviously Isaiah. You had Joe Dumars, you
Speaker 1: had Mohorn for one of the championships, you had yourself,
Speaker 1: you had Lambert, you had Worm and Dennis Rodman. What
Speaker 1: made that team so special? James Edwards, Ny MacGuard. One
Speaker 1: year you had Dai. Did you win the championship with Dane?
Speaker 1: Did you know we got cheated out here with the Lakers?
Speaker 1: They called the fake foul and they did, they did,
Speaker 1: and they did that. They had a witch doctor at
Speaker 1: the game in game six and threw it at Isaiah's ankle.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, man, I hadn't been in some some
Speaker 1: spirits going around. I no, A d taught me everything though.
Speaker 1: That was that was the best. We named him teacher,
Speaker 1: the best teacher for three years. And I've had great coaches, right.
Speaker 1: My teachering came from add and agent. Daddy. Still love you, bro,
Speaker 1: and you have that you what I said and I
Speaker 1: watched now when I listened to you, there's no vets, right,
Speaker 1: And if there are vets, I'm not saying all of y'all,
Speaker 1: but my vets. Knowing I was going, Rick Mahorne knew
Speaker 1: they brought me in to take his spot. He still
Speaker 1: taught me and gave me technique. He knows it. Eventually,
Speaker 1: you're you know, you gotta know that the next guy
Speaker 1: is coming in and but why are you here you're
Speaker 1: gonna play right, you better be good at this because
Speaker 1: we need to be good across the board. And that's
Speaker 1: the way I looked at it, and I would and
Speaker 1: I think about it. Man, some people don't realize in
Speaker 1: this world, these are fortune five hundred guys that's supposed
Speaker 1: to work together. It's hard to work together. So what
Speaker 1: makes you a champion? Or how I think is all
Speaker 1: you guys, you're gonna you saw what happened even with y'all.
Speaker 1: When money gets involved, it messes everything out. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: mess the team up. It messes everything. Eut if money
Speaker 1: was not involved, if you can get your money and
Speaker 1: no one knows how much you got, if you had
Speaker 1: to play hard, boys, it be unbelievable. Do you believe
Speaker 1: that's a best responsibility because a lot of people don't
Speaker 1: feel that it's not my job to get hit, you know,
Speaker 1: to get him ready, or to give him this or
Speaker 1: to do that. I felt it was my job to
Speaker 1: help the younger players, even though a lot of I
Speaker 1: mean I didn't really have a whole lot of guys,
Speaker 1: but some guys, some of the when I was a
Speaker 1: wide receiver, guys like Mark Jackson, Guys like Mark Vans Johnson.
Speaker 1: They helped me. Yeah, but I felt that in turn
Speaker 1: it was my job to get the other Titans when
Speaker 1: I moved switched positions to get them ready. Do you
Speaker 1: feel that's a best obligation. Yeah, you have to. If
Speaker 1: you don't teach him that he shouldn't be on the squad,
Speaker 1: it'd be like, I know, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: know anything about gang warfare. I don't. I don't. But
Speaker 1: but what I did was make think but but just
Speaker 1: think about it. If you were in the army, yes,
Speaker 1: you would have to teach that person everything to survive
Speaker 1: and be worthy of the guy behind you. Right, the
Speaker 1: marine mentality, you know, so that if Marie, if the
Speaker 1: young guy comes in the marine, the older marine is
Speaker 1: gonna teach him how to be a better marine. Right,
Speaker 1: skip some of the pitfall so you don't like so
Speaker 1: you don't run in or falling those rights. And I
Speaker 1: think it's it's supposed to be. I think you teach
Speaker 1: him too. Enhances you because if you're showing somebody like
Speaker 1: a Keem used to show people his movie, right, the
Speaker 1: more he practiced you. But you gotta be really secure
Speaker 1: to do that. Yeah, you gotta be really secure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're right. We understand. We understand there's a lot
Speaker 1: of guys in the wrong place though, and that that
Speaker 1: those are not winners. I don't look at him as winners.
Speaker 1: You guys chase the Boston Celtics for years, that Big
Speaker 1: Three with Parish Bird, McHale, that had DJ, that had
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys chased him for for a long
Speaker 1: long time. When you finally got over the mountain, then
Speaker 1: you had to deal with the Lakers and to get
Speaker 1: and to get because you couldn't get to the Lakers
Speaker 1: until you got past the Celtics. And when you got
Speaker 1: past the Celtics and then you got like damn and
Speaker 1: know what it was, Man, if your conspiracy theorist like
Speaker 1: I am, you would, I'm telling you, some things would happen,
Speaker 1: and I would just turn around and go, Okay, that's
Speaker 1: the way it's gonna be. Give example, we play against
Speaker 1: the Lakers, and we've we got him beat, we're all
Speaker 1: in shot, we gotta beat and Isaiah looking and we're
Speaker 1: all looking, and he grabs the ball, take it out
Speaker 1: and out of nowhere, Live Bird accepts the ball and
Speaker 1: throws into DJ. Now there's no way in history could
Speaker 1: that too have happened right in that sequence. I was like,
Speaker 1: that has to be something else out of us. I
Speaker 1: was like, what Avdel just got kills with the ball.
Speaker 1: He was trying to get in and try to get
Speaker 1: it in bounce before you get can sit their defense,
Speaker 1: and he made trying to throw it the Bill because
Speaker 1: Bill was a good fashion right, but gods never take
Speaker 1: the ball out, and Bill usually and Bill taking the
Speaker 1: ball out, he throws the Isaiah exactly. So it was
Speaker 1: it was just a twist, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't how does that happen? And then the next year
Speaker 1: when we beat him, we get here and Isaiah twists
Speaker 1: his ankle. I go out. Of all the times in
Speaker 1: the world, eighty eight, right, because in eighty seven we
Speaker 1: can't get by, And then in eighty eight we get
Speaker 1: here and we got these lakers. Oh my god, we
Speaker 1: had him. So it was so nice. It was so
Speaker 1: messed up. Shadowed my brothers and I went to the
Speaker 1: comedy store and I had rented a card. It was
Speaker 1: a white Mercedes bands. They pulled me over on Lastaanica
Speaker 1: made me get out and sit on the curb nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty eight, sit on the curb until we check all
Speaker 1: the card. He goes, oh Detroit. Uh license kept me there?
Speaker 1: He said, uh, they we're gonna keep you out here
Speaker 1: for a couple of hours. And I said, hey, you
Speaker 1: know curfew? Is that what he said? What time's curfew?
Speaker 1: I mean, why did you put it out? Why did
Speaker 1: you say, you know, if you keep you a little longer,
Speaker 1: you go miss curfew. Why would you say that because
Speaker 1: I didn't have curfew? But I said, well, hope you
Speaker 1: say you got curfe just like eleven thirty right, you know.
Speaker 1: You know. He was like, oh, you're gonna miss curfew.
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, so no, he gonna keep
Speaker 1: me there till about ten more minutes. No, and I
Speaker 1: can't get to the brainer. This is the crazy thing
Speaker 1: that was the police officer loving the Lakers. It was
Speaker 1: you know, you had to watch where you eat. Like.
Speaker 1: It wasn't just the Lakers, it was the referees living
Speaker 1: Ladera and live in the valley. They ain't flying in,
Speaker 1: they driving to work. So I had to play against
Speaker 1: the Lakers the police officers, and I was like, this
Speaker 1: is just too much. It was too much. But then
Speaker 1: when we finally got him, which is another the thing
Speaker 1: I thought Byron Scott messed up his hand. String man, string,
Speaker 1: I mean I started walking sof I was stretching my hand.
Speaker 1: Did like when you when you guys finally got over
Speaker 1: the mountaintop, did you realize what you had done? That
Speaker 1: you basically had ended the Celtics Big Three? You you
Speaker 1: guys ended it? Did you know you guys were doing that?
Speaker 1: Did you know? Did you know they weren't gonna be
Speaker 1: what they were ever? Again? No, this is how scary
Speaker 1: this was. After we won the championship. I remember we
Speaker 1: came back getting off the plane. It's whatever. I went
Speaker 1: to practice the next day. It was about five of
Speaker 1: us there shouting we forgot we won the championship, Like
Speaker 1: we showed up to go to work. Hey, what you're
Speaker 1: doing here? Side? I was like, oh, I just couldn't
Speaker 1: get something out my locker. Sadly nothing in your locker
Speaker 1: that I was so still in my brain. I have
Speaker 1: to go to practice tomorrow. I got this is the regiment.
Speaker 1: This is even winning it didn't feel real to me.
Speaker 1: It didn't feel done. So when we knew we were
Speaker 1: top of because think about it, they were older, right
Speaker 1: and going to and going to the finals every year
Speaker 1: and going to going to the Eastern Conference Finals and
Speaker 1: going to the NBA Finals every single year. Now, when
Speaker 1: I was going to be a Celtic, right that they
Speaker 1: told me, Red told me he was gonna draft me,
Speaker 1: I would come out. I would go to camp there,
Speaker 1: I would, I would. I just knew I was gonna
Speaker 1: be a Celtic. And I would be in the locker
Speaker 1: room and Larry would talk to me and he'd be
Speaker 1: in ice up to here, ice here, ice on the shoulders,
Speaker 1: ice on his neck, ice around his back, and he
Speaker 1: was sitting there like frozen, you know, talking giving a
Speaker 1: part interview. And I'm coming out of you know, in college,
Speaker 1: I don't the only thing I have ices in in
Speaker 1: my in my gatorade. You know, you don't do all yo.
Speaker 1: You don't think you're like man I so far? Oh
Speaker 1: hen about four years and you realize like I looked.
Speaker 1: I looked at the ice punge bathtub yesterday, just just
Speaker 1: just to be out there. What are you gonna give
Speaker 1: him the hot I was sitting in that cold water
Speaker 1: all day right now, How different rest his soul? How
Speaker 1: different would the Celtics have been if Lynn Bias had lived? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was my man' I was cau you played against
Speaker 1: him in college. Right. I've been with Lenn since we
Speaker 1: were fifteen. We meet Johnny Dawkins and Lenny Bias. We're
Speaker 1: all gonna go to the same school, Okay, Instead we
Speaker 1: all went to the same conference because Johnny went to Duke,
Speaker 1: you went to Tech. He went to Maryland. And this
Speaker 1: is why, because we were all gonna go to Maryland. Okay,
Speaker 1: But Lefty really only won it Lenny, Okay, he was like,
Speaker 1: y'all ain't as good as the guys. I got around
Speaker 1: here and told me I was gonna have to go
Speaker 1: behind it, and Johnny wanted to start, and I wanted
Speaker 1: to start right, so I those are promises. Lenny was
Speaker 1: literally the business. And and they said what would have
Speaker 1: happened with him coming in against Michael was funny? He
Speaker 1: would have been it would have been different. But then
Speaker 1: I started paying attention. Where was Lenny go on to
Speaker 1: play on the Celtics? That that that once I got
Speaker 1: to that part and started seeing it, DJ, it was
Speaker 1: already corn bread and and McCay going up. So that's
Speaker 1: power for it. Right. Larry's playing small for it, and
Speaker 1: he refuses to take any time off it was just
Speaker 1: it would have been a hard, hard transition. They could
Speaker 1: put it, they could pull leaning at the two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm telling you he was unbelievable the ACC conference
Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah, you knew he was the real deal.
Speaker 1: We went, we were camp Billy it was a guy
Speaker 1: named Billy Thompson play for the Lakers too. He was, yeah,
Speaker 1: number one pick, and uh, We're in camp at five
Speaker 1: star basketball camp. And then I come to Lenny. I
Speaker 1: said he had cut. I said, man, what happened? They said,
Speaker 1: they said you had you had to go into town.
Speaker 1: He said, I took the times in the town first,
Speaker 1: like he said, gave him numbers, and then he hit
Speaker 1: me in the side of my head side, so I
Speaker 1: had to get stitches. He's like, number one pick, like
Speaker 1: that's all he had in his brain. Right. Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: He was in touch. He was a good brother, man,
Speaker 1: good brother. So you talk about the bad boy Pistons
Speaker 1: and how you guys played Michael and you know, they
Speaker 1: wrote a book. Stand Smith wrote a book, and I
Speaker 1: guess he got some commentary from you and some of
Speaker 1: the other Pistons. What was Chuck Daily rest his soul?
Speaker 1: What was his philosophy? How did you like this? You
Speaker 1: know what is not doing this today against us? Oh?
Speaker 1: When I was Joe, Joe Dumars other but with Chuck
Speaker 1: and and Isaiah and Bill and Joe Dumars and them,
Speaker 1: they would just sit around. And Chuck's assistant Ronnie Rothstein
Speaker 1: at one time, Karl Malone, I mean Coach Malone and
Speaker 1: uh Kar Malone and Brendan Sir. They just figured, if
Speaker 1: you watch enough film, he passed about one percent bought
Speaker 1: than Kobe. And we know Kobe didn't pass, so we
Speaker 1: knew that if he started going downhill toward the basket,
Speaker 1: he was not gonna find an open man. He's not
Speaker 1: gonna because he didn't trust him. Right. So if he's
Speaker 1: dribbling with his left hand, keep keep him dribbling, keep
Speaker 1: him going that way. And then as soon as he
Speaker 1: puts his right hand on it, Joe gets back in
Speaker 1: front of him. Everybody get back to your man, and
Speaker 1: if he can shoot over Joe good. But it was
Speaker 1: that mentality. Everybody thought we were supposed to hit him.
Speaker 1: He wasn't supposed to hit him. The deal is inside
Speaker 1: the lane. When men played in the NBA, you you
Speaker 1: me and play. Oh, they don't play that style of
Speaker 1: mall anymore. Oh no, it's detrimental to the to the broadcast.
Speaker 1: But when when you run into that situation when somebody
Speaker 1: comes in the lane, everybody knew you got hit when
Speaker 1: you went in the lange. Yes, that was that was
Speaker 1: just the way the game was played, and the and
Speaker 1: the really the Celtics were the dirty words. We were
Speaker 1: not dirty. They called us bad boys, but we were dirty.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, Yo say y'all were dirty. I
Speaker 1: mean the way y'all didn't come on man, man, you
Speaker 1: bird go up up it. Lamb Beer had no intention
Speaker 1: whatsoever blocking the shot. The man went up and he
Speaker 1: come out on the man head. If we if I
Speaker 1: know this is a podcast, so we can't afford the footage,
Speaker 1: but listen. If you see goes up, Dennis Robin's leg
Speaker 1: gets caught and he's fallen, which pulls Larry down, which
Speaker 1: pulls Bill down. And Bill thought, Larry, I mean Larry
Speaker 1: thought Bill had done that. And think about it. He
Speaker 1: punches them two times in the face and throws the
Speaker 1: ball at him, and the ref goes, Larry, Larry, here's
Speaker 1: another ball, Throw another ball out of it. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying it's playing against him and Magic. You
Speaker 1: had too many, too many people, But I think they
Speaker 1: were the bad ones. And this is the deal. You
Speaker 1: look at the muscles, right, I played against football players,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah all the time because they thought, yeah, if
Speaker 1: we played basketball, stage shape and we're gonna run your
Speaker 1: skinny ass over. So I didn't see it the way
Speaker 1: everybody else. You get out of the way of people
Speaker 1: trying to do that. You use your athleticism there as
Speaker 1: much has been made, I don't care what anybody sins.
Speaker 1: Isaiah Thomas should have been on that ninety two dream team.
Speaker 1: I say so too, But where Stocking stop? I listen
Speaker 1: you talking to the number one Isaiah defender. I think
Speaker 1: I lost jobs defended as that. Oh look when when
Speaker 1: you guys like, okay, all the time that you guys
Speaker 1: had beaten Michael. Michael was gracious enough in defeat to
Speaker 1: shake everybody's hand. But what I told well, but what
Speaker 1: I told people, it wasn't Isaiah that started. It was
Speaker 1: the Celtics. That's right. They actually did not shake you
Speaker 1: guys head when you finally meat nel they left the court.
Speaker 1: Go back and look at that footage. Yeah, but they
Speaker 1: don't this once again. No one wants to hear the truth,
Speaker 1: like the truth, the truth. I wan't enough to remember
Speaker 1: I saw it. The truth messes up the story. So
Speaker 1: I tell you this, though I knew it was a
Speaker 1: bad idea, but Bill Lambill said, hey, let's hand it
Speaker 1: to him like they handed out something. I gotta give
Speaker 1: it to Bill. That's the way it had to be.
Speaker 1: And and you know what, I'm on a on a
Speaker 1: team chat with the Pistons. I'm not rid of any
Speaker 1: other players because we still had this like you know,
Speaker 1: we ride together, we die together type that. Do you believe?
Speaker 1: Do you believe? That's the reason why Isaiah wasn't on
Speaker 1: the Dream Team was because he didn't shake Scotty and
Speaker 1: Michael in the guy's hands. And that because they keep saying, well,
Speaker 1: it wasn't Michael. It seemed to me and that fault
Speaker 1: called it. Michael made it abundantly clear. Yeah I'm gonna play,
Speaker 1: but such and such can't play. But Michael didn't say it. Remember,
Speaker 1: I think in Magic's documentary he said he had something.
Speaker 1: He did it. I tell you this, Why would Magic
Speaker 1: do that? Magic beat? No? No, I didn't, I didn't.
Speaker 1: All of it was total misunderstanding, and I know Michael
Speaker 1: didn't say it. And this is why everybody loves Isaiah's game,
Speaker 1: right everybody. So I don't I don't think that they
Speaker 1: were plays. I think Magic was talking about when he
Speaker 1: was he and I Zia wasn't talking and that kind
Speaker 1: of thing. I don't know if that was the idea
Speaker 1: and if they could use that Larry Bird magic, you
Speaker 1: know Isaiah thing, they could, But let me tell you,
Speaker 1: I've looked at the squad. Isaiah would have outshine. He
Speaker 1: was short, He had to smile that he was going
Speaker 1: to have the ball this time. As far as haling
Speaker 1: the rock right, he was gonna have They in the
Speaker 1: NBA had to sell the new team they had. The
Speaker 1: new team was Karl Malone and John Stockton to the
Speaker 1: point where you know, God rest his soul. David Stern didn't.
Speaker 1: When we want our checking championship, Rod Thorne gave us
Speaker 1: our rings because David had to be in China with
Speaker 1: with Utah Jazz. Like it was. It was bigger than
Speaker 1: what we knew it was about. And I think that's
Speaker 1: why they did it that way. You were the glue
Speaker 1: gut on a lot of teams. Yeah, kept the locker
Speaker 1: room together. You kept the locker room loose. Role players
Speaker 1: are very, very important. Obviously, the stars get all the credit, rightfully,
Speaker 1: so they do the lion's share of the lifting. They
Speaker 1: get lion's share of the blame when things doesn't go well,
Speaker 1: they get lion's share of the credit when things do
Speaker 1: go well. But if the guys like yourself, I was,
Speaker 1: I was a little better star. I was a little
Speaker 1: but but I was a guy that kept the things going.
Speaker 1: I was a gate keeper. Was the guy that kept
Speaker 1: the guys lose, kept the guys laughing, and but make
Speaker 1: sure everybody was where they supposed to be and how
Speaker 1: they were supposed to do it. How important do you
Speaker 1: think your role was in the success that you had
Speaker 1: on every team? Detroit, Chicago, La. Oh it was, and
Speaker 1: don't oversee it. Priceless. Don't oversee it. The reason I
Speaker 1: tell you it's priceless is, you know, I didn't know
Speaker 1: what mental health was, right. I just thought I was crazy, right,
Speaker 1: you know, and adventurous, And so I had guys like
Speaker 1: Willie Burton, who is now a part of the NBA
Speaker 1: Player Association Retired Players mental health situations. I had Glenn Rice,
Speaker 1: who from Flint, Michigan was so laid back and pulled back,
Speaker 1: and and you know, we would go to the movies
Speaker 1: because you know, he didn't he didn't want to be
Speaker 1: around no girls. He was married with kids, and he
Speaker 1: didn't want to He wanted to go to movies. We
Speaker 1: would go to the movies. Do you know we in Houston,
Speaker 1: you know, do you know what goes on? You know?
Speaker 1: So I was around some guys and I got it.
Speaker 1: I remember Devin George had come in and he's older
Speaker 1: than Kobe, and Kobe's Kobe's rookie, and you know, I
Speaker 1: was like, hey, I can do something with you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I took him to a place and we got
Speaker 1: a facial and he was like, what yeah, well those
Speaker 1: black bumps are not freckles. I was saying, like, there's
Speaker 1: teaching things you have to do to bring guys in.
Speaker 1: There's times where hey, yo, man, let's go to the movies.
Speaker 1: Seven of us, not to strip joint. Let's go, let's
Speaker 1: go eat nine of us, which is never a pro
Speaker 1: team going to eat and laughing and giggling and going.
Speaker 1: Like when I was on the Lakers, we won nineteenth
Speaker 1: straight and then we would try it again and we
Speaker 1: were doing yoga on Wednesdays and like just being around
Speaker 1: people and caring for that person, knowing that you know
Speaker 1: what they said in a few good men, would you
Speaker 1: put your life on the line and expect him to
Speaker 1: do the same for you that that that takes, that
Speaker 1: takes something You're gonna You're gonna be the star gets
Speaker 1: all of the credit and all of the blame. Right,
Speaker 1: he gets to take the last shot, Thank god, because
Speaker 1: if you take the last shot, they'd be like, why
Speaker 1: are you to throw the ball to here? You know,
Speaker 1: so that's they have the of all of the weight
Speaker 1: of everything. So somebody gotta be able to helped him out.
Speaker 1: You have to have a robin to batman. How are
Speaker 1: you able to get the uh? How are you able
Speaker 1: to audition for Bad Boys? And I heard you only
Speaker 1: received seven hundred bucks. I had last I didn't even audition.
Speaker 1: I went in and I pissed Martin off because I
Speaker 1: went there. He was in town, he was in Miami,
Speaker 1: and he introduced me to his new fiance and I
Speaker 1: was like, hey, how are you doing? Oh she fine,
Speaker 1: dash fine, you got a pre nup. Martin was mad.
Speaker 1: We get up and we walk into you no. He's like, man,
Speaker 1: why are you through that in front of my girl
Speaker 1: and all my friends? Like what you're doing? Man? You
Speaker 1: know you sound man? You gotta you gotta get you
Speaker 1: gotta get a filter. And I was like, get a filter,
Speaker 1: like you better get a pre dup. And he did
Speaker 1: and he thanked me, and he thanked me. So I
Speaker 1: get in and he's mad at me, and I'm like, sorry, man,
Speaker 1: but you know how I am man. You know she'd
Speaker 1: be okay, get a pre nup and and I went
Speaker 1: upstairs and Michael Bay had directed my Nike commercial, heard
Speaker 1: him yelling and screaming, and he asked me, was I sag?
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, I sag. You know whatever
Speaker 1: that is? You know what I'm saying. And I had
Speaker 1: literally was a part of sad because I did commercials
Speaker 1: in Detroit with Chrysler, but I didn't know what that was.
Speaker 1: So he gets me in and then it's four hundred
Speaker 1: and four hundred and seventy six dollars and I don't
Speaker 1: even get it because it goes to my sag. Dudes.
Speaker 1: But I was just happy to be in a movie.
Speaker 1: I had been prepared my whole life to be an
Speaker 1: actor that your first movie. You were in the first movie.
Speaker 1: But I my whole life, I was preparing to be
Speaker 1: an actor. I had. I kept saying my daughter, Taya,
Speaker 1: who's nineteen, what are you going to take? If you
Speaker 1: want to be an actor? Why not? I wanted to
Speaker 1: be a doctor. I wanted to be a doctor. Did
Speaker 1: you actually know what you wanted to be when you
Speaker 1: grown up? Which one are your first? Okay? Want to
Speaker 1: be a doctor. I wanted to be a doctor. Okay.
Speaker 1: And then I went into the hospital. It was funny.
Speaker 1: One job Mark Price and I had in summer was
Speaker 1: to go and make sure that this cabin that there's
Speaker 1: a huge cabinet. This guy had was okay, that was
Speaker 1: our job. In other words, go hang out for the weekend.
Speaker 1: And he was a radiologist, and I go, what do
Speaker 1: you do? And he goes, oh, you know X rays
Speaker 1: and MRIs and and we got radiology and all that
Speaker 1: different machine. How much you make, Oh, I make two
Speaker 1: thousand dollars an hour. It's nineteen ninety four, eighty four.
Speaker 1: So I automatically wanted to be yea, yeah, I wanted
Speaker 1: that's my job like this, and you're not an athlete.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I said, like, I'm coming in your joint.
Speaker 1: So I wanted to do that. But then I went
Speaker 1: to Georgia Tech in business and uh, then I went
Speaker 1: into architecture at Georgia Tech. Then I got out of that,
Speaker 1: finished with the business degree, and I'm constantly learning. Bro
Speaker 1: I was in Egypt for eleven days. I'm about to
Speaker 1: go to Belize for eleven days. I was in Costa
Speaker 1: Rica for twenty eight days. I mean, when you these places, so,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Is they're like a retreat or
Speaker 1: you like the holistic? I mean, what are you you?
Speaker 1: You you're finding who John Sally is? Oh, it's a
Speaker 1: traveling I say, I was gonna do a job. I
Speaker 1: literally go to find out true. So like so, I'm
Speaker 1: a certified health coach Vegan. I can prescribe or literally
Speaker 1: know what herbs work on certain parts of your body.
Speaker 1: I I'm I do yoga, I breathe, I understand things.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hope you're breathing. Yeah man, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know pr yeah yeah, but I know how to try
Speaker 1: to extend my life. That's if you ask me what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do. I'm trying to extend my hollow
Speaker 1: you want to live. My mother lived in ninety six,
Speaker 1: and I just went to the funeral of a friend, Jack,
Speaker 1: who lived in ninety eight. My uncle just turned ninety
Speaker 1: four a couple of weeks ago. Why you want to
Speaker 1: live at Longe just so I can outlive it. You
Speaker 1: want to be brag you want to brag it right,
Speaker 1: I live along the hill. I live like it when
Speaker 1: I get back, and then when I get to the
Speaker 1: other side, they'd be like, you stupid boy. We was
Speaker 1: over here chilling with all these girls. I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I think I wanna I love life. And I went
Speaker 1: to h Sri Lanka. I told my daughter this in
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. I was in Saint Martin and she and
Speaker 1: I were sitting on the patio looking at this beautiful place,
Speaker 1: smoking a Dubie abduced is twenty two, and I said this,
Speaker 1: You're never gonna see this again. Because they said the
Speaker 1: hurricane was coming. I said, this is about I said,
Speaker 1: they don't really. I said, this is gonna be really big.
Speaker 1: We're on the last flight out of Saint Martin before
Speaker 1: it destroys the place. And then she and I go
Speaker 1: to Sri Lanka and we're there for eleven days, and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking this is way better than when I was
Speaker 1: visiting the India. Now you can't go to Sri Lanka.
Speaker 1: So life is fleeting, bro, and I just like to
Speaker 1: I love it and I try to keep it going.
Speaker 1: You look at Martin and do you like Willis Mill
Speaker 1: did Chris rock when you talked about that, talked about it,
Speaker 1: talk about get the pre nub. That's been really sad.
Speaker 1: I would uh, It's so funny. When I watched you
Speaker 1: and you said you wish he wouldn't hit you, you
Speaker 1: would have responded, Man, at what at what place? At what?
Speaker 1: At what have you ever been? A black man can
Speaker 1: slap another black man? He just like and carry over.
Speaker 1: I don't even want to answer that. But I feel
Speaker 1: Chris did the complete right thing. Yeah, Chris, Chris did.
Speaker 1: Chris did not me, and I'm gonna do the wrong thing.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna whip his ass, I know. But then you
Speaker 1: know he had on his good shoes. You missed one slip,
Speaker 1: then you're embarrassing. But that probably about mean. Look, I
Speaker 1: get people go through a lot of things, and people
Speaker 1: he probably got a lot of stuff on his mind
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I get it. I get it.
Speaker 1: We all got stuff. We all got stuff that you know.
Speaker 1: Man Hey said it, if he wouldn't hit you, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't you have you able to grab him? And said, bruh, Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, when you say you here's the thing, Sally,
Speaker 1: you know, don't lean forward when somebody no, no, if
Speaker 1: you you making a joke and you see somebody get
Speaker 1: up and walk from a distance and they start, I've
Speaker 1: already thought, okay, he gonna hit me, so there's no
Speaker 1: other thing. He ain't gonna whispering in my ear. Nah nah,
Speaker 1: But you let the man walk up on you. We
Speaker 1: just said walk upon you. White food got a big
Speaker 1: eye right now. So I don't know you, but Shatton
Speaker 1: is making me make those jokes. You you acted with
Speaker 1: Whoopie Goldberg, she got a movie coming out teal By
Speaker 1: the Imatial Store, Kevin Harts and No Lathan. Who haven't
Speaker 1: you worked with that you would like to work with?
Speaker 1: Kill shot shot? I think it would be funny. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you think us two big tall people. I did a
Speaker 1: movie called The Ultimate Christmas Present when I was a
Speaker 1: seventh foot elf and I thought it was funny, right,
Speaker 1: And I think because you know, I just think it
Speaker 1: would be a funny thing. If I was one actor
Speaker 1: I could work with, it would be The Rock or
Speaker 1: Kevin Hard because they get movies made right. And to
Speaker 1: the point where The rockets a movie. I think he
Speaker 1: got four movies a year for the next five years.
Speaker 1: Like this cat gets movies made. When they say, hey,
Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do and they sign off,
Speaker 1: they make that movie, right. So that's somebody I would love.
Speaker 1: I mean, they have that kind of work load. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's busy, but if that's what you want to do. Like,
Speaker 1: I never ever had practice. Everybody was like, man, you
Speaker 1: went to practice. I never had practice, right, I was
Speaker 1: gonna do that whether I was at practice or not.
Speaker 1: I was gonna play and try to try to dog somebody.
Speaker 1: So I love doing what I do. I've never had it.
Speaker 1: You're you're great friends with Eddie Murphy. Mike Tyson used
Speaker 1: to I used to hang when I came my head
Speaker 1: with Eddie. Wasn't Eddy like because he seemed like he
Speaker 1: real quiet, he real like like he's so funny. Yeah
Speaker 1: he's quiet and it's funny you do something? Is he
Speaker 1: like that? I know what he's like on stage? I
Speaker 1: know what he's like on camera, but sometimes when people
Speaker 1: are off camera, they're not on stage, they're not like
Speaker 1: what they are on stage. Your own camera. How is
Speaker 1: he when he's Eddie Murphy but they're no there's no
Speaker 1: cameras around, just him hanging out with this home. Oh
Speaker 1: he was calm, laid back. I took Isaiah to his house, right,
Speaker 1: So I said, Yo, you gotta you gotta come over
Speaker 1: here at me. Eddie Man so me and Billy Diamond,
Speaker 1: so we get it was the first time I meet
Speaker 1: Heavy D, Heavy D and I became best friends instantly, right,
Speaker 1: and so Heavy's over there and he looks at and
Speaker 1: he goes, you're not that much taller than me. He goes,
Speaker 1: come on. He puts chess and Isaiah looked at me
Speaker 1: and ahead Eddie beats him in three moves. Isaiah looks
Speaker 1: at me. I said, man, you better cut that out.
Speaker 1: Put him back. And now Isaiah gets his competitive way
Speaker 1: he is. He said, Uh, what else I aint gonna
Speaker 1: play in basketball? I got a bowling alley. Let's go.
Speaker 1: I got a pool. I gotta I gotta table. I
Speaker 1: got a pool table. Let's go. You got dice. Isaiah
Speaker 1: was on it instantly like I ain't letting you beat me, bro.
Speaker 1: So that was you know, if they would have had
Speaker 1: paper and pen, it would have been tik tac toe.
Speaker 1: I loved that about Eddie and then Mike Man. Mike
Speaker 1: was so deep younger when he wasn't doing drugs and
Speaker 1: wasn't he was being pulled by all these different people.
Speaker 1: He was so young. It was so happening. But life was,
Speaker 1: like I said, it was moving so fast. You wake up,
Speaker 1: you in it. You wake up You're still in it.
Speaker 1: You wake up you in it. So but Mike has
Speaker 1: become an unbelievable philosophy. I went to see him in prison,
Speaker 1: did you Yeah? I was one of the people went
Speaker 1: to see him in prison. I'm gonna give you, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give CJ the picture so you can see it.
Speaker 1: How did up kid from New York end up in
Speaker 1: Atlanta at Georgia Tech? All right, very simple one. I
Speaker 1: had the grades. You know that player? Uh? I did
Speaker 1: I visit? You visit? I get on the plane, the
Speaker 1: Lanta Hawks get on. They in first class, and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm like anybody, I'm just staring at him. They get
Speaker 1: on the plane. I win number twenty. I want to
Speaker 1: wear number twenty two. John Jews right there. He don't
Speaker 1: even know that I know who he is. He ain't
Speaker 1: even carrying his bag. Some rookies carrying his bag. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's pimp. I get off. It was a black flight attendant.
Speaker 1: A guy with a red jacket met me. Black. We
Speaker 1: get downstairs. The coach picked me up, Coach Felton, he's white.
Speaker 1: The guy to grab my bag is black. I get
Speaker 1: out to the wich, called he's black. I get to
Speaker 1: the hotel downtown. The lady behind the cash and big
Speaker 1: beautiful places black. I get upstairs, called my mother, So
Speaker 1: I'm going to Georgia Tech. She goes, how's the school?
Speaker 1: I said, I don't know, but black people got jobs.
Speaker 1: That's how I ended up. And then they told me
Speaker 1: it was seventeen women and everyone man and twenty five
Speaker 1: women everyone straight man, So you straight. He and I
Speaker 1: went straight to Spellman, straight to eight Center, straight to
Speaker 1: the club, straight to the Magic City. I was straight.
Speaker 1: What was your favorite thing about Atlanta? What was your
Speaker 1: favorite thing? I mean, because New York is so different
Speaker 1: than Atlanta. I mean, Atlanta's Atlanta's grown so much, but
Speaker 1: it's the South. Yeah, what's your favorite thing about Atlanta?
Speaker 1: What's your favorite thing about the South? It's it's the
Speaker 1: Southern swag man. When I got there, I was part
Speaker 1: of that New York New wave nineteen eighty two. Right,
Speaker 1: So I'm walking with a keno and a big name
Speaker 1: plate with a chip tooth pumas on. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like I hip hop is right about? Hip
Speaker 1: hop is nine years old when I get there, right,
Speaker 1: do you understand? So I'm part of that New York
Speaker 1: wave that hit Atlanta and started going to school at
Speaker 1: that joint. I'm with Spike. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm it's we we We're loving the simplicity. And I
Speaker 1: think it's a Cicada Bucks because if you've never heard them,
Speaker 1: once you go to Atlanta, you cannot hear it, and
Speaker 1: then if you leave, you look for it. So I
Speaker 1: think it's I think it's that rhythm in Atlanta and
Speaker 1: they just keep getting finer and find women that is
Speaker 1: finer and finer and finer every year. I think that's
Speaker 1: what it is in Atlanta. Dang the bb IL. What
Speaker 1: was your when you when you got your money? What
Speaker 1: was the first thing you bought. I didn't get the money.
Speaker 1: I did the worst deal. I didn't get a signing bonus.
Speaker 1: Who your agent? You know, David Folks and that and
Speaker 1: this is where it's where that he out of all.
Speaker 1: When I look back at it, I didn't get a
Speaker 1: sign of bonus. And I think about that, he goes
Speaker 1: you don't want to own. Oh, I didn't know what
Speaker 1: it was. What it was is they did a deal
Speaker 1: because Adrian Danley was now going to be in a
Speaker 1: piston and all that money went to a d and
Speaker 1: didn't give me a sign of bonus. So I was
Speaker 1: a sacrificial lab. They got, hey, we got this rookie,
Speaker 1: and you can take a D and on this piece, right,
Speaker 1: what's the best purchase you what's the best and the
Speaker 1: worst purchase you made? And you're in, you're playing. You
Speaker 1: didn't buy Mercedes because you know, you know, I got
Speaker 1: a BMW black Man's wish I got. I love my
Speaker 1: BMW two, but got it. No, it was L seven.
Speaker 1: It was a brand new interior to it too. It
Speaker 1: was dope. But none of none of those things were
Speaker 1: smart or good to me. That's a ap a patphile
Speaker 1: ap okay. Vinnie Johnson had a partephile. It was seventy
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars and I could not believe in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty six you paid seventy two just to tell Time
Speaker 1: what the watch is worth now probably a million. You
Speaker 1: understand what I'm saying. So I none of that. Those things,
Speaker 1: I think. I think the best thing I purchased was
Speaker 1: a home for my mother and father, and and I
Speaker 1: got my mom in the house and my dad a Lincoln,
Speaker 1: my favorite thing I've ever given him. He had this
Speaker 1: light blue Lincoln. It was half with the blue leather
Speaker 1: on the blue leather on the top, dark blue sun roof.
Speaker 1: They had to cut it in redo it these cushioned seats. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the christ Velo, you know he had. I had him spokes.
Speaker 1: I had him put the curb findings on it. Yeah. Man.
Speaker 1: He My brother showed up. He just kept looking at
Speaker 1: He says, yeah, Johnny said this for you. He drove
Speaker 1: it from Detroit. He may He called me. He said, boy,
Speaker 1: I love you, man, he said. My mother's like yeah,
Speaker 1: He's like all right, give me the keys. And I
Speaker 1: don't think they saw off for three days. That I
Speaker 1: was my favorite. My favorite purchase was getting my father
Speaker 1: his Lincoln, if you could. If Adam Silver asked you
Speaker 1: to come back and says, I want you to talk
Speaker 1: to the players about some of the pitfalls that could
Speaker 1: possibly happen to an NBA player, as far as women, finances,
Speaker 1: things of that nature. What are some of the things
Speaker 1: that you would tell today's players, I offered, because I
Speaker 1: went one time, when they do the the supposed mission,
Speaker 1: it's not it's not good because it became it became sponsored.
Speaker 1: So you can't tell them the truth. Bro, Yeah right,
Speaker 1: they don't want the truth, right, they want to they
Speaker 1: don't want the truth. I would bring in it sounds funny.
Speaker 1: I would bring in girls who lived a life who
Speaker 1: were on that side of tricking players and all that,
Speaker 1: and then I would I would literally bring in insurance
Speaker 1: people to explain how money works. That's it. If if, if,
Speaker 1: if I would have had I have a cool guy
Speaker 1: named dal Cohen. Dal Cohen looked out for me and
Speaker 1: been looking at me since two thousand and two. If
Speaker 1: if you don't have one of those cats like I
Speaker 1: don't think Kareem had one, but Will Chamberlin had three.
Speaker 1: Will Chamlin had three guys that would dinosaur for him.
Speaker 1: Is why he was in a good position, and it's
Speaker 1: kind of hard man. Somebody said, if I go to college,
Speaker 1: what are you going to major in? I say, finance.
Speaker 1: It's the only region you should get only degree. Well,
Speaker 1: remember I was smart, ye, so, and it wasn't that.
Speaker 1: I just have a photographic memory, so I would I
Speaker 1: remember what I saw. I never missed class either. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at your one of your original investments. You were
Speaker 1: one of the original investors and beyond me, don't be
Speaker 1: telling my business. And you invested back in two thousand
Speaker 1: and nine. Don't be knowing if I could have. And
Speaker 1: let me tell you you when you had invested more.
Speaker 1: Not only that, there was this this dude that had
Speaker 1: nahs was knowing about Uber and man, this model put
Speaker 1: me on almost set her name. This model in Toronto
Speaker 1: put me on Uber. And she goes, you hear about this?
Speaker 1: And I go no, And she goes watch this, and
Speaker 1: she picked up her phone and boom, boom boom. And
Speaker 1: we were sitting around and were eating and she goes, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're here. I said, what do you mean. She goes, oh,
Speaker 1: this is called Uber and it's better than a taxi
Speaker 1: and it's this and it's this and it's this. I
Speaker 1: didn't know about investing it, but they let nads No.
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant supposed to be it's worth a billion dollars
Speaker 1: like this dude keeps he was invested in Postmates. I
Speaker 1: have an app called do You Tip? The literal dude
Speaker 1: the letter you Tip. And the reason I did that
Speaker 1: is I started paying attention to where the world is going.
Speaker 1: I bank at a famous celebrity bank in Encino, then
Speaker 1: not paying me, so I don't say the name. If
Speaker 1: you want sponsorship, you can know where to go to.
Speaker 1: And for fourteen years I've been going to this bank, right,
Speaker 1: and I always see this wonderful lady from Venezuela, and
Speaker 1: she got long hair. I always tell her how beautiful
Speaker 1: he has. Oh, mommy, you're looking great today. Thank you
Speaker 1: by being at the other day, I pulled out and
Speaker 1: it was a machine. Then it hit me. In two
Speaker 1: thousand and two, I was in Monte Carlo. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: Portofino and what's in Italy? And I rent a car,
Speaker 1: I go up to the thing and there's nobody to
Speaker 1: hand my money too. And I got the ticket that
Speaker 1: blowing me, calling me names all kinds of stuff and Italian.
Speaker 1: You have to go back, put your card in and
Speaker 1: take your credit card, pay and then come back and
Speaker 1: leave me saying that to you now, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how you do it, But in two thousand and two,
Speaker 1: that's not how we've done it in America. So they
Speaker 1: When I played in Greece in nineteen ninety six, I
Speaker 1: had a Eckerson phone. If I was thirsty and went
Speaker 1: to a Coca Cola machine, I would point it at
Speaker 1: it and push zero and that I would get a drink.
Speaker 1: So I think technology is moving. I'm in a company
Speaker 1: now called iken I k N and he's figured out
Speaker 1: how to literally make a holograph. He figured out how
Speaker 1: to bend light. We've been trying to bend light since
Speaker 1: the beginning of the time. I just now look at
Speaker 1: things that I say, what are we gonna need? Everything
Speaker 1: is going digital. So last night I was at a
Speaker 1: Swan bitcoin event. A Swan is a play you take
Speaker 1: bitcoin money into. I wound up getting a Blue Moon
Speaker 1: wallet because it's happening. Your money is going to be crypto.
Speaker 1: It's it's happening. Whether people want it to or not,
Speaker 1: it's happening. So it's kind of like integration. They didn't
Speaker 1: want it to happen, but it happened. No matter how
Speaker 1: much you booing, whatever, you gotta get your football team
Speaker 1: to win, integration has to happen, right anyway. That was
Speaker 1: for myself and those who know history. So all I
Speaker 1: do is look at technology. Where's it going? How's it going?
Speaker 1: How do I get in from the beginning of it?
Speaker 1: Don't worry. I got you shouting. I got I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have you, man, I'm gonna have you. I would be straight.
Speaker 1: I would be I want to go to Portofino to travel.
Speaker 1: You do, and let me tell you. I got the
Speaker 1: money to travel. I got the money to go down
Speaker 1: to en see Obedo, go to go to what's that?
Speaker 1: Do it the way I do it? You did invite it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't know about it's in fighting. Shoot shout
Speaker 1: Santa bar I go to I got Santa Barbara money.
Speaker 1: It's too cold for me. That's the kind of money
Speaker 1: I got. Malibu. Got money to go to Malibu. I
Speaker 1: gotbody to go to the Montown. I used to have
Speaker 1: money to go to Mali. But dig bait, have you
Speaker 1: ever have you ever been obviously in Malibu? No? Okay,
Speaker 1: So you've been to a noble No, say word, you
Speaker 1: never been to noble. I've never been to noble. You
Speaker 1: you're lying right now. Your nose is big, but it's
Speaker 1: getting bigger. I've never been a noble really no, Okay,
Speaker 1: above it is this bar lounge called Ivy. I got
Speaker 1: I got so I barely grill money. Ain't got noble money.
Speaker 1: I got no noble, which you said, Okay, we go
Speaker 1: there noble, that would I'd be saying, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I go in there and just laugh and I go,
Speaker 1: oh man, I couldn't afford her her injections. Yeah, let
Speaker 1: her little breast like you got forty thousand dollars brash
Speaker 1: right there. Who can't afford it? Now? See that's why
Speaker 1: I say I can't go there. Yeah, too bad for you, Sally.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Bro, keep representing us to make you
Speaker 1: look thank you. Definitely. All my life and grinding all
Speaker 1: my life, sacrifice, hustle, Bady Price, wanna slice? Got the broller?
Speaker 1: Dice to swap all my life. I've been grinding all
Speaker 1: my life, all my life, the grounding, all my life, sacrifice, hustle,
Speaker 1: baby Price and want a slice? Got the broller dice
Speaker 1: to swap all my life. I've been grinding all my
Speaker 1: life