WEBVTT - John Salley 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.800 Who will be the dominant player of the twenty twenties. 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:12.600 So Luca steal Zaber Ryan over Luca Zober Ryan over 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:16.759 and over. Yoke, Am I saying it is? Am I 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:21.240 saying it? Get on enough drive Ran, don't d all 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:25.840 my life and grinding all my life, sacrifice hustle beg prison, 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:29.240 want a slice? Got the bron dice to swadd all 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:32.320 my life. I've been grinding all my life all my life, 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:36.519 been running all my life up, sacrifice, hustle bag Bryson, 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:39.879 want a slice, Got the bron dice to sware all 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:45.760 my life. I've been grinding all my life. Hello, welcome 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:47.880 to another edition of Club Shasha. I am your host 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:50.400 Shandon Sharp. I'm also the propriet of Club Sha Shake. 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:52.440 And the guy that's stopping by for conversation on the 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:56.200 drink today is a four time NBA champion. He's an actor, producer, 0:00:56.520 --> 0:01:00.360 talks your host, entrepreneur, philanthropist. He's the first player NBA 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:03.680 history to win a championship in three with three different franchises, 0:01:03.920 --> 0:01:05.800 and the first player to win a championship in three 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:11.240 different decades. He needs no introduction. John Sally I told 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:13.160 him you can read give me my one hundred dollars. 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:15.839 They said, Santy can't read. I wrote all that down 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:18.560 and you prove you can read. You see to put 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:20.960 on the car. They didn't put it in prompting for me, Sally, 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:24.200 how you do it today? Bright man, I'm finally on club. 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:28.520 This is amazing, and you know I got it. I 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:33.280 brought you something you did because this right here is 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:37.280 Tycoon Kanye. This is the vs we got that's very special, 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:39.360 very special, and I brought it because I know you 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:42.040 have yours. But my man, eat forty makes this right. 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:45.880 So this is and me supporting. So I want to 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:47.880 know what. I'm gonna give you a couple of bottles 0:01:47.920 --> 0:01:49.760 that I want you to support me like you support 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:52.400 forty Water. I definitely do it. So I'm going on 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:57.760 Drink Champs and I'm only bringing Brown. I'm only bringing Brown. 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:02.000 Oh this is that's me right there? Yeah? Oh this show? Yes, well, 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:03.920 I'm only bringing Brown and they only had to beat 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:07.680 from Brown. Check this out. Actually, we won the SIP Award, 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:10.240 which is the best taste in Connact in twenty twenty two. 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:12.560 It's a blind test award. It's the only thing that's 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:14.800 not industry so it's a blind test. You light up 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:18.400 the connacts and the people say, well this I like 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:21.360 this one the best. And we beat a bunch of them. Okay, 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:22.880 we beat the boy. I'm not gonna tell you who 0:02:22.880 --> 0:02:24.880 are we beat, but all the ones that you think 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:27.919 are good, we beat them. Listen, my boy, Glenn Daniels, 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:31.320 Carl Collins. They they have me set up on all 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:35.440 the spirits. And then I did whiskey advocate because they're 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:38.639 experts and they tell me what I like. Right, I'm 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:41.160 gonna take this bottom. Okay, I'm gonna leave this eat 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:45.320 forty bottom. Okay, and uh, everybody that's brown, that sells brown, 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:49.480 I get down. That's what I'm let's go sell them. 0:02:50.120 --> 0:03:06.519 Appreciate you. That is dope, bro, that I'm not even joking. 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:13.480 That is dope. Yeah, I need two bottles just in case. 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:20.200 All right, what's a typical day for John Sally? What 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:22.400 time do you get up? What do you do throughout 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:26.079 the day? What time he lights out? Well, my sleep 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:30.600 pattern is different. I've been stretching more. Okay. I was 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:36.640 with uh my boy Joe. Okay, I did some man. 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:40.280 I tried to get back in the league. Well he did, 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:42.560 he did last year. Okay, he was on the Celtics. 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:49.040 Don't make me make jokes. Okay, So so I did that, 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:52.160 and I you know, my wife is polates instructor. I 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:54.520 won't work out with her because she's crazy and she's 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:57.760 really good at it. But I drink about a lead 0:03:57.800 --> 0:03:59.600 of water with a little bit of bacon soda, a 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:01.880 little bit the Celtic sea salt. What they hell the 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:06.040 bacon solda do? So when you when you have water, yes, 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:08.240 first thing, when you have anything with ice in it, 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:12.680 your body won't absorb it. Cold for your body. Okay. 0:04:13.320 --> 0:04:15.480 Second thing, when you put the bacon solda and the 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:18.119 sea salt, those are the sea salt has about eighty 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:21.120 eighty five minerals you should have every day. But we 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:24.719 don't get right. So I make sure the water becomes 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:29.320 whatever touches it. So now water becomes minerals and therese 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.599 and that helps my kidneys, It helps, it helps move 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:35.080 things out of my liver, It helps my low intestine, 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:37.960 it helps my body absorb. So you're drinking everything at 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:41.800 room temperature, bacon solda, sea salt, a little bit how 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:46.240 much teaspoon, table spoon, half a tea spoon with the bacon, 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:50.360 Solda and the whole leader, and about a pinch, a 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:53.200 couple of pinches of sea salt. Okay, sometimes I put 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:54.760 the sea salt in my mouth when I switch it 0:04:54.839 --> 0:04:57.880 around with some coconut oil, and it's like my dog 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:00.440 thinks I'm crazy. I think I'm thinking that. I know, 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:05.800 I know, but but I'm I'm Then I'm gonna get 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:09.400 some sativa and I'm gonna take a bongrat because I 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:13.560 have to start the day off in a haze. This 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:16.039 man tell about cleansing his body, even tell my seas 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:20.960 Vegas shoulder water that room. Tim. Yeah, I gotta open. 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:23.600 I got a blessed job. I gotta black. No. I 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:26.520 got a cannabis company with my daughter called Dukes Is 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:30.159 twenty two with my daughter Taylor, So we have great products. 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:33.479 So I always have to give my my company a boost. Okay, 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:37.000 you're the first player to win a championship with three 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:40.880 different teams. Yeah, at the time, did you know that? 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:44.520 I was? Yeah, So what was the significance of that 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:48.000 to you? This is the deal? Everything is good, vibe Right, 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:53.599 you are Baltimore, that's five right, Yeah, you got to Yeah, 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:55.960 they are athletes, but you know, what's the difference is 0:05:56.680 --> 0:06:00.719 is when there's dogs everywhere, right, and they all barked 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:03.960 the same bark, and you don't have to wonder if 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:06.880 you slip, if that is not gonna be there, if 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:10.640 somebody beat me, what's never happened. I didn't when and 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:14.000 if Dennis is right here, Bill Lamber is about to 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:16.880 put you in your back, you're not there's no free 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:20.200 to the bath. So I didn't never had to worry 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:24.480 about yeah, big my big brother. I didn't have to 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:27.880 worry about, you know, somebody not even being there. So 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:31.640 it's it's that mentality. I have this, I do this 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:34.240 winning thing. I believe in this one breath. I believe 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:37.320 you know. Yeah, it's talent. And I tell you, I 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:40.560 watch you every day. I love what you do. You're 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:44.039 great at it. Stop talking to the to the peasants. 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.600 You don't tell You don't social media, that's what you're 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:50.839 talking about. You don't respond to anybody. You don't respond 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:53.320 to anybody on Twitter, anybody in ig No, I don't 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:57.760 nobody in the audience. What because those are called hecklers. 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:01.320 So if you're doing comedy or you on stage and 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:05.159 somebody heckles you and you respond to the heckle. He's 0:07:05.240 --> 0:07:07.960 the show. You don't. You don't, you know, not the show. 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:09.960 You don't have, the show. You don't you don't, don't 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:11.320 have a microphone. You don't want to put it. You 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:12.960 don't want to put him on, you know, put that 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:17.119 spotlight on me? Like no, that means that I'm taking 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:20.600 the light off of me. Let me tell you one 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:24.520 of my favorite preachers named Rev. Kike Rev Ke said 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:26.880 the lights within you. He didn't, he didn't care about this, 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:30.960 they say. He explained why he believed that God is 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:33.800 within right is that he didn't say you're wrong. He 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:37.640 just explained himself. Did you guys fight, did your team? 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:39.880 Because we got there, we're gonna talk about Draymond about 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:43.000 punching his get punching Jordan Poole in the eye, since 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:46.000 Temperance Flaire, whatever happened? Did you guys fight amongst yourself? 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:54.960 They said, because nobody shouted, it's gonna beat you up 0:07:55.000 --> 0:08:00.600 worse than Rick Mahard. So I'm in. But one time 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.160 Isaiah got in a fight with Tony Campbell and they 0:08:04.200 --> 0:08:06.480 were thrown and Tony through one at at his head 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:08.120 and Isaiah duck He said, hey, man, don't hit me 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:12.160 in the face. It's a body fight. Tony looked at me. 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:16.160 Why they do that here, I don't know. But then 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:19.920 I remember one time, Uh, you know, basketball plays fight 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:22.960 like this, yo man, Yo man, that's how basketball players fight. 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:26.840 Backing up right, Marco, Whyae don't fight like that? Barc 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:30.760 Why he was up in there like West Side Chicago. 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:34.760 Mark was in there like like Joe Frazier in that joint, 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:37.760 and I was like, oh, don't mess with him. Bill 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:40.640 Lambard didn't me. He didn't me dirty man. He grabbed 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:43.040 my jersey like I was in soccer, like I was 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:44.839 in hockey. He pulled that jersey over my head. He 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:50.760 was like, young fella. I laughed about it to this day, 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.240 that boy. I let him get the jersey over my head. 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:58.760 But so when you when you guys, when you got okay, 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:02.680 you fought among yourself. I guess that brought you guys closer. 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:06.800 But when you stepped on the court, ain't nobody messing 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:10.319 with us. And I'm I'm telling you to the point 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:14.439 where transpired When you put on the jersey, all of 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:16.400 a sudden you got to you got the feeling. And 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:18.199 I can tell you that my boy die Walker, de 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:22.320 Walker from Chicago. Uh huh. When Karl Malone clocked Isaiah 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:26.400 and over that dial, Walker ran from the far bench 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:30.439 all the way down and hit Car from the all 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:33.360 the way from the bench on the court full speed 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:37.120 like I'm from this side of Chicago and hit him. 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:41.760 So that mentality Rick mahonna remember they came at Rick. 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:46.520 They would have to get in. Yeah, scared of Rick. Yeah, 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:50.360 Rich should be Rick. Rick. When I was a rookie, 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:52.640 man him and Sigreene got in a fight and I 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:55.960 may many teammates, you know, man hit me in the jaw, 0:09:56.080 --> 0:10:00.200 killing me looking down when growing folks who fight even 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:05.160 be quiet. One of you guys would have had Oakley 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:07.240 on your team. So it would have been you Mahorn, 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:15.280 Old Lamb Beer, you Rodman. So Oakley doesn't talk. No, 0:10:15.559 --> 0:10:19.920 Dennis doesn't talk, Joe Dumars doesn't. They don't talk right, 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:21.199 And I know people are like, what are you talking 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:23.520 about that. I used to say to Joe that I 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:27.160 can go and he'll hear me because he don't talk. 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:33.559 He just read lips. So those two, those three on 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:38.559 a squad, would it which had talkers like Rick, Bill 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:41.559 and Isaiah? You know what it would have fit in. 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:44.520 I just don't know. It's been no room for him 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:47.280 because that means he would have been taking some of 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:51.280 my minutes or Summer Bill's minute or summer ricks. That's 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:54.880 what we were fighting in practice for. So no, he 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:58.079 wouldn't have been good on our squad. The eight What 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:00.480 was what was eight become? I don't I think a 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:02.959 lot of this generation. I mean, you can watch highlights 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:05.960 on YouTube and things like that, but what was the eighties? 0:11:06.120 --> 0:11:10.520 What was the physicality like in eighties basketball? Try to 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:13.400 compare it. Because you played in the two thousands, obviously, 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:16.000 start and say it again. You know, let him know 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:18.920 you played in the two thousand because obviously they were 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.079 trying to get away from that brand of basketball. But 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:24.000 the physicality in the eighties, the nineties and the two 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:26.679 thousand when you ended, Okay, I wasn't gonna show you 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.800 the back of my head, but I had my daughter 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:33.280 said looking. So it's the night before the All Star Game. 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:37.920 It's February nineteen eighty seven. I can smell Atlanta from Detroit. 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:40.240 I can't wait till my seven o'clock flight. But I 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:42.839 got a game the night before. Okay, playing against San 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.719 Antonio and this artist Guilball, and I pumped faked him 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:49.800 and this giant lean and I was like, oh, I 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:52.719 got him, and he elbowed me in the head and 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:56.360 I hit the ground. And I'm telling you, the room 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:58.520 was spending. I heard that before, but I was like whoa. 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:01.160 And Benny was like, come on, sound get up, man, 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:03.040 don't let him see you hurt. I was like, I'm hurt. 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:06.599 Like if he don't let don't let him see it, 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.880 what are I supposed to do? You know, jump in 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:14.360 a tent. I'm hurt. Like you know what I'm saying, 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:19.319 I don't play for Miami. I'm hurt. Y'all get that 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:23.719 joke later. Anyway, I get on the fire line and 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:26.839 I'm telling you, I'm like, oh, man, I want to 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:29.400 vomit right now. And I don't know. I don't never 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:31.760 had a concussion or knew what it was. And then 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:33.520 they tell me I have a concussion and I can't 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:36.400 go to sleep the whole night before, but artists Gilma 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:39.640 hit me and it was nothing I can do about it. 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:42.160 It's like, you know, you put your hands up and 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.000 you like, just let me go, man, just let me go. 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:49.439 He was he was so big, and I'm in my 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:53.000 guys like Maurice Lucas was trying to break my elbow. 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:56.640 It felt like it was. It was like a wrestling match, 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:59.360 y'all really had they had the old school enforces back there. 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:02.000 They really had them forces back and the rests understood 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.440 that that was his job, right. They were so old 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:06.679 that they would come to training camp to get in 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:10.000 the ship. I'm down the five cigarettes a day, you 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:12.640 know what I'm saying. They were smoking cigarettes and drinking 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:15.360 kayaks and putting it out and then going and playing 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:18.400 for forty two minutes. You know, I kind of like you, 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:23.000 and I uh, I was gonna bring your cigar too, 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:25.679 because I know you're a big cigar guy. Yeah, I 0:13:25.760 --> 0:13:28.800 was gonna bring your padrone anniversario. I was gonna hook 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:32.640 you well, pass that along, c hook you up. Only 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:36.240 one though. The twenty dollars a stick. Now, there have 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:38.960 been since you won three championships with three different teams, 0:13:39.040 --> 0:13:42.240 they've been several guys. Robert Or has done it, and 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:44.800 Lebron has done it, and I think somebody else has 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:51.600 done it. I think Green, Yeah, yeah, Danny Green, Danny Green. Yeah. 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:54.000 I always know the guys are came behind me. Yeah, yeah, 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:56.240 you know what I'm saying. I turned around and go, 0:13:57.160 --> 0:14:00.400 this is the one thing I love. I love. Somebody 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:02.160 said to me, they, man, if you would have played different, 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:04.040 you would have been you could have been an All Star. 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:08.840 And I said, dong, I'm a champion, and I blaze. 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:14.640 I trail blaze like I do things, and you know, 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:18.439 I do things until anybody behind me can say this 0:14:18.520 --> 0:14:20.720 can be done right. I'm a seventh foot that did 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:25.200 seventeen movies. I'm a seventh foot that did TV shows, 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:28.160 that stand up comedy that holds. You know what I'm saying. 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:30.320 I've done all the things that so you know the 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:33.160 words you said. What I did it was bigger than basketball, 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:37.360 like Muhammad Ali was more than We're gonna get in 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:38.960 trouble for this and you're probably gonna cut it. But 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:42.000 the reason, one of the reasons for my addiction is 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:47.720 OJ Simpson is watching OJ and the way everybody was 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:52.040 so proud of him being knowledgeable and able to speak 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:55.760 at a certain level and not fit the stereotype like you. 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:58.760 That's why I love watching you. Was one of the 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:02.200 first to have a national commercial. He had he had 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:08.040 the juice, but he was. He was sideline reporter. Yes, absolutely, yeah, 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:12.680 so to be that and and and you know the 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:14.720 only thing I didn't have he had is a big head. 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:18.560 Like his head is like OJ's head is big waterhead boy. 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:23.920 And but I liked that. I loved that Muhammad Ali 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:27.960 stood up and said something and didn't move away from it. 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:33.800 I liked uh, Jim Brown, I loved it. I loved 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:38.360 all of that. That that bravado and and that ability 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:40.880 to speak well and do well. And when I saw 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:44.120 Jim Brown, he didn't just do the movie that he 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:51.240 quit on't that wasn't it. He did a plethora movies 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:54.400 right after and plays. And I was like, that's what 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:56.080 I want to do. I want to get to that 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:03.040 Lebron the greatest, next the greatest. Yeah, would you mean 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:05.920 the greatest? You said Lebron? I thought that's what you say. 0:16:06.000 --> 0:16:09.880 After that, say Lebron. I thought that was his last name, Lebron. 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:16.040 Could it could be? You played against Kareem? Kareem retired 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:19.880 all THEO had the most points ever. The record has 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.240 almost stood for forty years because he broke the record 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:26.520 in nineteen eighty four. Did you think anybody in your 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:33.280 lifetime would get this record, Kareem's record, Yo, not even 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:37.360 Karl Malone and cars number two right right, And they 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.880 were giving him points when he wasn't even playing, Like, 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:44.560 I think they just gave him two more points time 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:51.920 twenty five years. I think this. I think they're not 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:54.120 gonna let him get it. They're not gonna let who 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:56.760 get it, Lebron. They got no choice, no matter the 0:16:56.840 --> 0:17:03.400 thousand points, you're gonna be Really, I'm listening think about it. 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:09.479 This thing like I didn't agree with something Phil Jackson 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:13.120 said to me, and then I got into my fifties 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:18.119 and I got it. So I didn't agree, But I say, Phil, 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:26.280 Kobe had eighty one. He was about no matter what 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:29.320 you do, he was about to get. He was about 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:31.960 to get one oh four. They would have kept feeding 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:35.320 the ball. The other side would have been like, you know, 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:37.920 don't hurt him, but they would have been clear outs 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:40.920 and Kobe would have got one oh four. And he goes, well, 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:45.600 some records need to stand, and I was like wow, 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:49.439 he goes yeah, then he got number. He's number two. 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:51.200 He doesn't need to be number You think Kobe could 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:52.639 have got well, I think they took him out with 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:54.000 like a minute to go. You think he could have 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:58.800 got nineteen points in a minute, Well, I watched at least. No, 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:01.280 they took him, They took him out with a whole 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:04.200 seven minutes ago. No, it's just about the Toronto game. 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:06.040 You're going in a minute, only a minute because they 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:07.920 were behind by so much. He had I mean he 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:09.520 had to shoot. I mean to get him back in 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:11.879 the ball game. So you don't think they gonna let 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:17.280 Lebrons get the thirty eight plus thousand. No, but but 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:21.200 that would beats number two anyway. You don't want to 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:23.840 be number two that man. I mean, think about it. 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:27.040 Eighteen straight years of twenty five plus points no more. 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:30.439 You're probably never gonna see that again. South Korean Kareem 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:33.680 Kareem was on fume the last couple year, stopping. Hey, 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:35.480 let me tell you, let me tell you. I don't know. 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:39.040 Kareemveraged ten points and and and they were well deserved. 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:42.920 But let me tell you something. Kareem was hard boy. Yeah. 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:45.480 But but but but for Lebron he played you know 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:48.280 the big normally big play alone period of time. But 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:52.960 because guess what, you get the rebound, you pass it out. 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:55.480 They wait for you to get down the court, Kareem 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:57.280 would go down to the block. He would give him 0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:59.320 Magic the hand the left of the right. Magic would 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:01.440 feed him right and throw the sky hoop. Yeah, and 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:04.600 they did that twelve times again. The rest of them. 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:06.680 Kareem had to go get off the rack, right, like, 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:08.960 let's what he would say, right, every I'm giving to 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:12.120 you like this three times a quarter. Right, then we're 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:15.560 gonna run it three times. Magic had magic knew exactly 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:18.200 where everybody was being. Right. I don't think they would 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:20.480 give it to him, I think, and I listened to 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:25.360 you when you champion, Lebron, I take my hat off 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:27.160 to you, and I you know, I had to tell him. 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:30.800 I don't know, I have like wine for him, a 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:32.680 whole bunch of stuff, but like he you know, he 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:36.000 looked at me funny. But anyway, I told him. I said, 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:39.520 I thought Carmelo should have been the number one pick, 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:41.200 and I had to apologize. I was like, I was 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:43.439 one hundred percent wrong. I had no idea you were 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:45.600 gonna be this good. That's what. And I tell people, 0:19:45.600 --> 0:19:48.240 I said, no matter whatever you think about Lebron, no 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:50.760 matter what you thought, he was gonna be based on 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:53.960 him in high school, he's exceeded it. He's the best. 0:19:54.280 --> 0:19:57.639 I'm nervous. I would I would. I look at him 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:00.359 walk and I go just walk it and I it's like, Oh, 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:02.200 if you see him walking on court, You're like, oh 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:04.639 my god, this kid can play. That's first thing you 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:07.040 do when you see him walk. He gotta walk like 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:10.520 he walked like an He walked like he's you're about 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:12.600 to get the numbers. And to see somebody in my 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:17.720 height shoot like that, KD. It's a whole nother level, right, 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:20.879 But to see him shoot like that, dribble like magic, 0:20:21.720 --> 0:20:25.000 look for people like magic, take over games like magic. 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:28.720 It's he's the closest thing to Magic. I've ever seen. 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:33.800 Everybody talking about Michael. He's I've always said magic, Michael. 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:36.280 Michael was a scorer. Michael just tried. Michael just tried 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:38.479 to kiy you. Michael didn't want anybody else the kid. 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:40.119 He wanted the key. You know what they would do 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:42.840 man at the farm, they would play I Love New York, 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:45.920 I Love Lay. That song would start and we would 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:50.840 I love it, love it, and Magic would walk on 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:52.600 the court and he would go like this, and what 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:54.359 he was doing. He would look at the ref and 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:57.480 go all right, don't try it, don't try it. He 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:00.720 would click everybody on, he would turn and the lights on. 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:06.800 He would he would make some wind blow man, this dude, Okay, 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:08.440 I'm gonna give you some decades and you tell me 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:13.360 the best player in the decade. So we go. Sixties Chamberlain, Roberts, Robinson, 0:21:13.640 --> 0:21:18.320 Jerry West, Bill Russell, Robinson, Oschool was the best player 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:23.160 of the sixties, Oscar Robinson. Yeah. Next. Seventies Kareem Boblin, 0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:32.000 Neil Walt Fraser, Bob McAdoo, Jerry West, Eighties, Magic Bird, 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:39.840 Mo Malone, Kareem, Doc Magic, nineties Jordan a Keen Barkley 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:45.920 two thousand, Shot Kobe, Dirk Duncan, Lebron, Iverson, Nash Garnett, 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:54.520 Shock is the most dominant player I've ever seen. But 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:58.000 you got dirt and Evince Kid. Now I'm gonna go 0:21:58.040 --> 0:22:04.160 with Shot twenty ten Bron Steph, Lebron, Rant Kobe, who 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:07.159 will be the dominant player of the twenty twenties? So 0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:15.960 Luca Steph Job, a Ryan over Luca Job, a Ryan 0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:20.680 over over yok Am, I saying that this am I 0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:24.040 saying it. Get on enough job around chop round, No 0:22:24.280 --> 0:22:29.720 job around. They're go jop around over there. Mam okay, 0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:37.400 give me John Sally's top five players currently playing. Luca Joannas, 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:55.040 Steph Lebron job a rock. Now, what's the what's the 0:22:55.119 --> 0:23:00.119 other big white guy's name? Nicola Yoki? I get I 0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:03.399 get so nervous watching him, knowing I would had to 0:23:03.480 --> 0:23:06.280 punch him in the face like I would have. I 0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:08.199 would have had to. I would have figured out how 0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:10.000 to like throw the ball to hit him in his face. 0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:14.240 That's the only way to because he's he's looks so awkward, right, 0:23:15.200 --> 0:23:17.960 but he's giving people given numbers. He goes, I'm gonna 0:23:18.000 --> 0:23:20.560 get all these rebounds on him, sister, Yeah, that's my five. 0:23:21.040 --> 0:23:24.000 Starting a franchise right now. Durant or the honest Durant. 0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:30.359 I know, man, I was ready for you. You didn't 0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:33.600 know I was ready for you. I would say Giannis, 0:23:33.840 --> 0:23:37.680 but I would say dan Jannis. I mean I would 0:23:37.720 --> 0:23:40.719 say I would say I would always say Durant because 0:23:41.280 --> 0:23:47.520 he really plays defense. He's not lazy, so huge thing, 0:23:48.280 --> 0:23:53.760 he's not lazy. He he's and he's focused when he's 0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:56.960 on court. His job is just put the brown thing, 0:23:57.680 --> 0:24:02.119 the irangsting inside the orangsting more or like I was. 0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:04.440 I think I got to his DM man. I was 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:07.680 trying to interview him when I was about to do 0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:11.720 interviews for lad TV, and I wanted it was the 0:24:11.760 --> 0:24:14.119 only person I wanted to talk basketball about. It was 0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:17.440 a trip, that was it, and like and like you 0:24:17.760 --> 0:24:22.040 know basketball, I was known football, and I didn't tell 0:24:22.080 --> 0:24:23.760 people the best damn because I knew they were gonna 0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:25.600 put me in every segment, right, so I act like 0:24:25.640 --> 0:24:27.119 I didn't know it, And then I would hear them 0:24:27.160 --> 0:24:35.840 say stuff and I'd be like that. You spoke glowingly 0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:40.359 about Kareem and knowing his history the sixty I think 0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:42.399 sixty sixth summit that they had in Cleveland. He was 0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:45.320 there as a high as a college player. You spoke 0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:47.840 glowingly about Kyrie. I know how you feel about Kyrie, 0:24:47.960 --> 0:24:50.959 was talking about him a little later. Kareem was very 0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:53.600 critical of some of the things that Kyrie said. He 0:24:53.640 --> 0:24:56.440 had at least been critical of Lebron lately. What what 0:24:56.800 --> 0:25:00.960 what is your what is your position on Kareem or 0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:03.440 the old guard being critical of some of the young 0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:06.639 players wanted out of bounds fair file. It was one 0:25:06.720 --> 0:25:09.600 hundred percent out of bounds, the one on Lebron or 0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:14.560 the one on Kyrie, especially on Kyrie, okay, and so 0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:17.600 so we could speak on it. I think this was 0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:23.119 the reason. I think somebody along with him is saying 0:25:23.200 --> 0:25:26.400 to him, if if you want to get things going 0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:29.280 and become relevant and be able to guard the money 0:25:29.680 --> 0:25:32.040 where they bring you in and they be you got 0:25:32.160 --> 0:25:36.200 to say something that is asked not You have to 0:25:36.880 --> 0:25:42.760 in order to be in this system of media controversy 0:25:43.040 --> 0:25:50.479 and and and conflict and a scandal. It's celebrity. Now 0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:53.639 you understand what I'm saying. So to say that the 0:25:53.720 --> 0:25:57.879 school system has let has let Kyrie down, it's saying 0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:03.680 you're duke. Education is useless. But when you say that 0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:09.000 about education, you mean you're programming didn't stick, right, because 0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:14.320 Stephen A. My man, fifty grand went in on Kyrie 0:26:15.760 --> 0:26:21.360 and had COVID twice and barely could walk and thought 0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:24.399 he was on his deathbed. With the vaccine right and 0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:27.840 the boosters right, Kyrie had none of that, right. So, 0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:31.280 but you know, like the vaccine and booster doesn't guarantee 0:26:31.440 --> 0:26:33.440 just like taking the months or the chicken pots with 0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:36.120 all the vaccine doesn't guarantee taking a flu shot. I'm 0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:39.720 a vegan. I've been. I started studying veganism in nineteen 0:26:39.840 --> 0:26:43.080 ninety one and became a complete vegan in two thousand 0:26:43.119 --> 0:26:47.480 and seven. I lived this lifestyle, so I understood, Yeah, 0:26:47.520 --> 0:26:49.440 but you had another You had another sixteen years to 0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:52.240 eat meat. You hadn't got it all like your system right, 0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:55.560 So if you get things out of your system, which 0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:58.480 it only right, your system is only right here. So 0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:01.720 if you get things out of your intestines in sixty days, 0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:06.600 thirty days, shoot, and I don't know, eleven months, you 0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:09.280 can have a totally clear system. So knowing that the 0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:12.680 stronger immune system and the stronger your system is, the 0:27:12.840 --> 0:27:18.400 better it is against viruses. About what about Kyrie retweeting 0:27:19.280 --> 0:27:24.560 Alex Jones, a known conspiracist, about Sandy Hook didn't happen? 0:27:24.840 --> 0:27:31.359 The parents are actors, people lost their kids. Yeah. Once again, 0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:33.520 I don't know if I said it on this show, 0:27:33.720 --> 0:27:39.520 but social media has destroyed everything because stop talking to 0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:42.679 the peanut gallery, not that against the black folks are 0:27:42.680 --> 0:27:45.240 in there, you know, and the whatchus stop listening. The 0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:48.720 audience is there to listen to you, right, and to 0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:53.560 sit around and to talk. Just doing things on Twitter 0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:59.800 can get caught up, right, But let me and it. 0:28:00.200 --> 0:28:02.760 As soon as I see it, as soon as I'm 0:28:03.080 --> 0:28:06.399 the biggest Kanye fan, as soon as I see anything 0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:10.000 with Kanye that is huge and talked about everywhere, I 0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:13.280 step back and I looked to my right and left. 0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:16.399 I look around. I go, something's about to happen. Because 0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:21.040 every time they've used Kanye as an excuse or a distraction, 0:28:21.920 --> 0:28:24.879 something went down that we were not paying attention to. 0:28:25.520 --> 0:28:28.600 In this in this present time, they're talking about white 0:28:28.640 --> 0:28:31.360 Lives matter T shirt, Black lives matters. What he's doing? 0:28:31.680 --> 0:28:39.560 People going back and forth? Yeah, and what's up? What's next? 0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:43.640 What are we missing? I think this Africa is upset. 0:28:44.160 --> 0:28:47.600 There's a war about to happen. There's a straight up 0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:52.120 war about to happen, not a war like in Afghanistan. 0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:54.360 We only see it on the news for seven seconds 0:28:54.400 --> 0:28:56.760 and we go back. This one's a real one. These 0:28:56.800 --> 0:28:59.080 are white folks against white folks. There's a real war. 0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:02.320 It's is world war like World War One and World 0:29:02.400 --> 0:29:05.960 War two. This is this is, this is gonna be 0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:10.840 land changers. But they're gonna talk about Kanye. Well, Kanye 0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:12.800 putting that out there. We didn't want to talk about Kanye. 0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:14.440 You think we like talking about Kanye. Put it out there. 0:29:14.520 --> 0:29:16.600 Kanye walk with a shirt or everybody walk with a shot. 0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:21.760 That's exactly. He knows how to be a distraction. He 0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:23.960 knows how to make you say yay. No, I don't 0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:26.280 say anything because I think, no, that's not here. No day, 0:29:26.280 --> 0:29:27.680 I don't keep that much. I know I do it 0:29:27.760 --> 0:29:29.360 because I watched your show. I was just trying to. 0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:35.720 But when when Kanye is has changed everything in the 0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:38.720 twenty first century, he is he is. He is motark. 0:29:39.800 --> 0:29:42.000 I'm gonna go there. I'm saying that right now. He's 0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:46.280 a motark. Yeah, but those guys were anyway, Kareem has 0:29:46.320 --> 0:29:50.400 said some things about Lebron. I noticed that, But Kareem 0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:53.480 didn't become very critical Lebron until Lebron got started getting 0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:56.600 closer and closer to that record. He was never critical Lebron. 0:29:56.680 --> 0:29:58.840 Remember Eric Dickinson, don't like you if you can run, 0:30:00.680 --> 0:30:04.680 if you get to, if you get yards, don't like it. 0:30:04.800 --> 0:30:06.840 But but here's the thing. He'd even made it abundant 0:30:06.880 --> 0:30:08.280 la clear. He like, yeah, I don't want I don't 0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:10.000 want h about to break that record exactly what to keep. 0:30:10.240 --> 0:30:12.120 But Kareem is like, y'all, I'm I'm you know, if 0:30:12.200 --> 0:30:14.880 he if somebody is fortunate enough to break the record, YadA, YadA, YadA, 0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:17.200 I'm cool with it. And even if you're not, I 0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:20.320 don't believe you should be dismissive or search for things 0:30:20.960 --> 0:30:22.880 to say it. Okay, Well this person doesn't see he 0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:26.680 doesn't seem like he's right, or he didn't say it publicly. Well, 0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:32.600 I didn't Kareem. I'm old enough to remember how they 0:30:32.680 --> 0:30:36.040 treated Kareem in the media. He should want not he 0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:38.480 should not want to be the person who does it. 0:30:38.560 --> 0:30:40.760 But it wasn't like Kareem was very cooperate with the media. 0:30:40.800 --> 0:30:44.600 But also that well, that's why he shouldn't want to 0:30:44.680 --> 0:30:49.000 do that, Like like bruh, they were killing you, yes, 0:30:49.520 --> 0:30:52.560 killing you. Why would you want to do that to 0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:56.760 another young cat? Doesn't deserve it? Right, it doesn't deserve it. 0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:01.800 We mentioned this earlier Draymond in Jordan Pool put your 0:31:01.880 --> 0:31:04.680 put your thing, because you know, it's like, well, obviously, 0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:08.240 when did this happen yesterday? It seemed like it seems 0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:12.320 to me like Draymond is the gatekeeper, like all, like, okay, 0:31:12.440 --> 0:31:14.600 this is the way we do things here and if 0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:17.080 someone gets out of line. You know, everybody, every team 0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:19.600 has a gatekeeper. Everybody has a gatekeeper. What they say, 0:31:19.600 --> 0:31:22.040 he hit him in his eye for we don't really 0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:24.160 know because this punch him in his eye and hit 0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:26.160 him with the ball. Well he put they say, they said, 0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:30.840 I guess they he struck him, he sucker punched him, 0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:35.120 or he had him know it. I mean, my thing is, 0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:39.320 you don't walk Look, you don't walk up on someone 0:31:39.920 --> 0:31:42.440 if you ain't really trying to squabble this notion like 0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:44.440 you and you're like you in third grade, and y'all 0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:46.480 walk up with somebody. You circle around, what you're gonna do, 0:31:46.480 --> 0:31:48.000 what you're gonna Don't touch me, don't push me, don't 0:31:48.000 --> 0:31:51.440 cross this line. Right but you grown now different rules apply. 0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:56.600 If we stepped to somebody, I feel threatened. Thank you, 0:31:56.920 --> 0:32:00.840 I feel threatened. I'm carrying this situation. I feel threatened, 0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:05.160 and I'm about to hit your throat. You won't be 0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:09.400 able to tell anybody what happened. How do you get 0:32:09.440 --> 0:32:12.320 how do you get past? Okay, teammates fight, Yeah, but 0:32:12.400 --> 0:32:14.160 this is a bad one. If he if he has 0:32:14.200 --> 0:32:19.120 a swollen eye, he now is gonna be think about this, Well, 0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:20.680 he beca't come to it. He can't be on team. 0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:22.320 He can't. The media can't ever get that because they 0:32:22.400 --> 0:32:24.480 get the eye. You know that's a mean though. It's 0:32:24.520 --> 0:32:28.600 a meme. And and your kids can't go to school together. 0:32:29.400 --> 0:32:32.160 Your girl is gonna be like, yeah, keep talking to me. 0:32:32.200 --> 0:32:35.040 I'm gonna call Draymond over here. Yeah, you got domestic 0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:37.840 Violet the house. If you ever get beat to yell, Oh, 0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:40.160 you talk to me, Craig, you ain't talking about till 0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:43.320 crazy talk like you're talking to me. You know, I'm 0:32:43.360 --> 0:32:46.840 saying that man, whoa, whoa? They say, where's all this aggression? 0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:49.120 You didn't have it for Draymond? Right, you know you 0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:51.280 rave your boys. You get all big with me. I 0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:54.000 have nobody. You shouldn't get that the hill so Draymond 0:32:54.120 --> 0:32:56.480 might get pulled going in there, shoot up the whole place. 0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:02.840 You get past? I mean, how do you? Because I'm little. 0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:04.720 For me, I've never really gotten in a fight with 0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:07.520 a tea one time in my freshman year in college. Uh, 0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:10.400 and he ended up leaving, you know, basically before the 0:33:10.480 --> 0:33:13.840 thing was over. And I'm not a fighter. I just like, look, 0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:16.160 I just want to do my thing Hey, I'm respectful 0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:18.640 to everybody. Hey, I'm giving your space, you're giving my space. 0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:20.680 But I ain't no pump. Now you're not fl You're 0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:23.080 not fin to disrespect me, right, and so if you 0:33:23.200 --> 0:33:25.040 disrespect me, I got You know, I don't really know 0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:27.240 how tough I am, Sally, but I'm trying to not 0:33:27.400 --> 0:33:30.760 let you find out how tough I am. Wow. So 0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:33.000 I don't really know. I don't know what I'm cable 0:33:33.040 --> 0:33:36.480 to do. I'm a nice carriage when I got to it. 0:33:36.640 --> 0:33:38.920 When I got to a ladder from New York, I'm 0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:42.080 walking in the au Center and this cop sees me. 0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:44.480 You know, I got my can go on, and you know, 0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:46.520 I'm like this and you know I'm walking with you know, 0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:49.640 and he said, hey, hey, And I walked by him 0:33:49.840 --> 0:33:51.200 and he said, yeah, I talk to you. I said, 0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:53.960 I hear you. I ain't doing nothing. I turned around 0:33:54.520 --> 0:33:56.640 and when I turned around, he got this nice stick out. 0:33:56.680 --> 0:33:58.760 He just hit the back of my pocket. He said, 0:33:58.800 --> 0:34:02.160 dumb move, pulled my double on seven out. He goes, 0:34:02.960 --> 0:34:06.320 you're about to run high. I go, hell, yeah, he goes, 0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:08.640 just run. I ain't gonna do this, but you can't 0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:10.719 carry this knife. So I'm a knife carry I see 0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:13.520 that to this day, I couldn't get in here because 0:34:13.560 --> 0:34:17.680 you know, I respect your security. But but I've been 0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:20.960 rolling up on me. I'm I'm thinking you're gonna hurt me. Right, 0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:24.560 that's like if you you know what tech kills. I mean, 0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:26.879 I've lived in George, so I know what take hill. Yeah, 0:34:27.080 --> 0:34:30.359 so you probably had to carry wood. It's tech wood. 0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:32.759 I want you it didn't use a feeling. Yeah, you 0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:35.399 probably you probably had to have. But if somebody walk 0:34:35.520 --> 0:34:37.440 up on you, yes, I remember. If we are we 0:34:37.520 --> 0:34:40.320 got a disagreement going on. Oh man, what you know? 0:34:41.080 --> 0:34:43.480 If our boss is getting more animated rage, I'm not 0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:46.520 to just let you walk up on me. Yeah, well 0:34:46.880 --> 0:34:50.000 you know Pool there's a smooth cat. No, no, bro, 0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:52.359 you ain't that. No bro, if we if I want 0:34:52.400 --> 0:34:55.120 to see his eye, I want to see that. Now 0:34:55.120 --> 0:34:57.440 you're about to make Joe see exactly if there's nothing 0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:01.239 left but jokes want to see the eye. So now 0:35:01.320 --> 0:35:08.719 we got to fight every day everything till you just 0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:10.839 hit him in his eye. You're not going to look 0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:12.440 me up and help me walking around here looking like 0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:16.960 the elephant man and we cool? That brought us together? No, 0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:20.000 it didn't. No, no, hell no, it didn't. I wish 0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:24.720 I want to see the eye. Now we mentioned Draymond 0:35:24.760 --> 0:35:28.239 because Draymond played in the eighties. Oh yes, Draymond would 0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:30.719 have been me and Draymond would have been best I 0:35:31.600 --> 0:35:35.080 and I loved the bravido. I love the way he plays. 0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:37.920 But you know, back then, they take if you, if 0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:40.080 you went, if you were a tough guy, you had 0:35:40.120 --> 0:35:42.120 to prove it because somebody's gonna step till you. You know, 0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:45.840 back oh built that reputation and Mahorn them built that reputation. 0:35:46.080 --> 0:35:49.480 No fine, if you if something happened, you got to 0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:52.200 fight the rest broke y'all up. They would tell the coach, hey, hey, 0:35:52.320 --> 0:35:55.360 get them substitutes, and you go sit down, calment the 0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:58.080 cool down. And then when they felt you were cool enough, 0:35:58.160 --> 0:35:59.880 you can go back in the game. They have to 0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:02.399 for you to be in the locker room. We're paying 0:36:02.440 --> 0:36:04.680 you all this be paying you were paying you ten 0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:09.480 thousand dollars a year. Let's get in there, switching arrows. 0:36:10.520 --> 0:36:12.960 Give me some guys that you think could have been 0:36:13.040 --> 0:36:17.040 the same place. They're great now, but they would be 0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:29.400 great in your era. Lebron James K. D. Okay, Damon Lillard, 0:36:31.960 --> 0:36:37.040 Jim Rant, Timon rand is my man. I made my 0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:40.120 wife watch I say hey only for a second because 0:36:40.120 --> 0:36:45.120 I don't like you looking at these young kids. Watch this. Okay, 0:36:45.280 --> 0:36:49.839 I get out of the way. What about Yannis, oh Man, 0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:53.640 Yannest Yannis would they probably would have been in foul trouble, 0:36:53.920 --> 0:36:58.560 but Jannis would be an unbelievable player in our deck. 0:36:58.680 --> 0:37:01.920 And it's funny I listen into different those different podcasts 0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:06.440 where guys talk about decades like your but arenas and 0:37:07.280 --> 0:37:10.239 when they talk about guy they didn't realize that old 0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:12.960 man strength when they elbow you and your third rib 0:37:13.600 --> 0:37:15.960 and then you and then your top rib knowing why 0:37:16.040 --> 0:37:18.600 they did that, you know what I'm saying, or knee 0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:21.520 and you right above your thigh or elbow and you 0:37:21.719 --> 0:37:25.040 and your here like things that they would do like 0:37:25.400 --> 0:37:28.400 pointy doing things. And then all of a sudden, you 0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:32.200 can't do this naturally, right, you get the chicken wing. 0:37:33.080 --> 0:37:36.520 Now you miss him, like they didn't realize all those 0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:38.880 nuances in the game. So all the bumps and all 0:37:38.920 --> 0:37:40.440 the bumps and bruce that they were putting on you 0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:43.279 was for a reason. Yeah, man, Like it's almost like 0:37:43.480 --> 0:37:49.960 hitting somebody constantly and over here where the liver resides right. Eventually, 0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:53.040 you're not gonna want to move your arm to throw 0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:55.840 a punch right. And if this is your job, it 0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:57.960 ain't gonna be worth anything because your body is not 0:37:58.040 --> 0:38:01.000 gonna want to throw it right. This those kind of nuances. 0:38:01.800 --> 0:38:05.560 But I think I think there's some really one athleticism. 0:38:06.080 --> 0:38:08.080 You know, people can't say they've never seen No, We've 0:38:08.080 --> 0:38:12.239 seen David Thompson. We've seen Bana King give fifty two 0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:17.200 nights in a row. Bana King would give people fifty 0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:19.680 and shake his shoulders and shoot on the way up. 0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:23.720 It was amazing. Adrian Danley led the lead in scaring 0:38:24.680 --> 0:38:28.360 two times. He was six to four so and he 0:38:28.440 --> 0:38:31.080 didn't jump high right, and he didn't have a long 0:38:31.200 --> 0:38:33.920 range jump shot. And he led the NBA in scoring. 0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:37.520 So things like that, like guys would have to understand 0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:41.440 now it's they were more technical, right. We only have 0:38:41.520 --> 0:38:45.520 two refs too. There was a different way to play. 0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:48.600 You played, you go, you leave Detroit, you go to Chicago. 0:38:50.120 --> 0:38:52.880 What was your expectation when you went to Chicago? And 0:38:53.440 --> 0:38:58.319 what was it like playing with Jordan one? How did 0:38:58.360 --> 0:39:02.080 you yea? How the hell did you go that's your okay? 0:39:02.200 --> 0:39:04.600 Because I don't you know, I'm not a gang member. 0:39:04.640 --> 0:39:08.759 I don't follow colors you follow, agreed. I was like, 0:39:09.080 --> 0:39:12.720 I worked for IBM in the Detroit office, the Miami office, 0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:16.160 the Toronto office, the Chicago office, in the Los angelesof Okay, 0:39:16.440 --> 0:39:19.359 But I worked for IBM, right, That's that's the way 0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:24.360 I always was. Okay. Uh The crazy thing is Jerry 0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:26.600 crowds gard wrested so told me he was gonna take 0:39:26.600 --> 0:39:31.040 me number nine. So but then you know, they told 0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:32.880 me they were gonna take me number two to Boston too, 0:39:32.920 --> 0:39:35.000 that I was landing. So I said, well, at least 0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:38.440 I'm going to Chicago. I visited three times. Ryan's Off 0:39:38.640 --> 0:39:41.080 likes me. I still do an event in Vegas every 0:39:41.160 --> 0:39:44.279 year with Ryan's Off. And I'm thinking, I'm going to 0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:48.840 Chicago and they take Brad Seller and I'm telling you, 0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:52.840 I have like thirty seven people in the stands. I'm thinking, 0:39:53.200 --> 0:39:55.239 I wish I had a dog whistle. We're gonna tear 0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:58.120 this this place up if I don't get drafted in 0:39:58.200 --> 0:40:03.000 the first round, right and uh so, so I thought 0:40:03.040 --> 0:40:06.520 I was gonna be in Chicago. So I told Jerry Krause, 0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:10.960 and I told h read our back. Every time I 0:40:11.120 --> 0:40:13.719 played there, I was gonna play like I was playing 0:40:13.800 --> 0:40:17.080 a home game, and I did every every Boston game. 0:40:17.520 --> 0:40:19.720 I was trying to give him the business. And in Chicago, 0:40:20.440 --> 0:40:24.480 if I saw Brad Sellers, who you know, I was 0:40:24.560 --> 0:40:27.239 cool with, but if I saw him, I wanted to 0:40:27.320 --> 0:40:30.120 prove they made a mistake on the draft every single time. 0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:33.920 Hey Mike, One time we played Michael Shannon and he said, yeah, 0:40:33.960 --> 0:40:36.080 after the game, man, I got to Ferrari. I said, oh, 0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:38.000 I can't wait to see it. He goes, yeah, he 0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:39.680 just got out of his deal with Chevrolet so he 0:40:39.719 --> 0:40:42.440 can drive a Ferrari now in town. And we beat him. 0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:46.880 In my mom, what happened man? Hanging out with you? 0:40:49.400 --> 0:40:52.759 You know? Uh So I always just I always looked 0:40:52.800 --> 0:40:54.399 at it that I was going to work and after 0:40:54.880 --> 0:40:57.840 you know, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't live and 0:40:57.960 --> 0:41:01.719 die and live with it that way. But I love Chicago. 0:41:01.920 --> 0:41:04.560 It was one of my favorite It was my favorite 0:41:04.800 --> 0:41:06.920 parts of my career. I mean, you look at it. 0:41:07.000 --> 0:41:10.400 You played with a couple of top seventy five players, 0:41:10.400 --> 0:41:12.920 You had Isaiah, Joe Doody, You go to Chicago, you 0:41:13.040 --> 0:41:15.480 played with Scotty and Mike. You go to LA and 0:41:15.560 --> 0:41:19.200 you got Shock and Kobe. What was it like each 0:41:19.239 --> 0:41:21.359 stop along the way. Because you got Shock and Kobe 0:41:21.440 --> 0:41:24.359 early Jordan Pepper with their veteran ball club, they had, 0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:26.239 you know, already had to you know, the three p 0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:28.560 they were already established, I mean Jordan probably by the 0:41:28.600 --> 0:41:34.879 time you got to Joe, Yeah, twelve. Isaiah and Joe 0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:40.600 they literally trained me and taught me. I learned a 0:41:40.680 --> 0:41:43.960 lot I still do. Man like Isaiah's I learned from 0:41:44.000 --> 0:41:48.600 Isaiah every day. I don't talk to Joe that much anymore. 0:41:50.080 --> 0:41:53.279 But then you get to Michael and Scottie. It was 0:41:53.320 --> 0:41:58.200 a well oiled machine. And I thought, however they practiced 0:41:58.239 --> 0:42:01.520 in Chicago's how everybody's pause. I remember going through that practice, 0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:04.920 and I, you know, I used to think practice was 0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:07.880 useless on something. I'm better off practicing by myself. Except 0:42:07.920 --> 0:42:12.360 in Chicago it was. It was it was targeted, and 0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:15.120 it was it looked like everything was helping you to 0:42:15.280 --> 0:42:17.759 get better and better and better. And then when I 0:42:17.840 --> 0:42:21.359 got to the Lakers, man I saw one I didn't 0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:25.759 really realize how Mammoth shaquill it shack is huge. You 0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:29.760 don't realize, No, you don't. And then I would hate 0:42:30.280 --> 0:42:33.480 to have to have played again Shack I did, but 0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:35.640 I would hate to have to do it as a 0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:38.120 for a living. Like you know what I'm saying. I'm 0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:40.400 glad I was at the end of my career because 0:42:40.440 --> 0:42:42.160 it's it's a hard thing to have to deal with 0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:45.000 him four times a year. And then Kobe was just 0:42:45.320 --> 0:42:49.680 turning into this thing. He was turning into this unbelievable 0:42:51.200 --> 0:42:56.880 copycat of Michael. But you know, tide pluck, tide evergreen, 0:42:56.960 --> 0:42:58.960 this is what I call it. Like you have tied 0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:04.320 and tide plus right tide uh uh, Mountain fresh and 0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:08.040 tie ever Mountain fresh and tide Uh. What would it 0:43:08.040 --> 0:43:10.200 be y'all? Known as the baby baby s Yeah, Like 0:43:10.840 --> 0:43:14.800 those are the versions of Michael. But the closest was Covid. 0:43:15.800 --> 0:43:18.799 It was it was the the best thing about being 0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:23.440 with MJ is one He smoked good cigars drank Really 0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:25.640 can you believe that he was able to do that 0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:29.120 with smoking cigars and drinking as much as he did 0:43:29.280 --> 0:43:31.239 not he not, He's I'm not saying he's an alcoholic, 0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:34.239 but he enjoyed. He enjoyed the bread. But but but 0:43:34.480 --> 0:43:37.120 he the figars, he loved figures. He gonna get, he 0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:39.680 gonna get three sticks of date. But I mean too, 0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:43.800 but you don't. You don't. You don't smoke sigardsgard smoke, 0:43:44.719 --> 0:43:47.480 So you don't Inhale siguys, the cigars just sitting there 0:43:47.719 --> 0:43:55.000 to feed the spirits and let the Yeah, exactly, you're 0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:58.800 telling yourself that, Yeah, but you don't. You don't Inhale siguys. 0:43:59.239 --> 0:44:03.000 You you're Inhales cigarettes and you Inhale uh cannabis, which 0:44:03.040 --> 0:44:06.799 you should now inhaling cannabis, because I meant to tell 0:44:06.840 --> 0:44:09.640 you in the way over here, you don't partake in cannabis. 0:44:09.719 --> 0:44:13.160 You don't. Yeah, you know, you won't live as long 0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:18.239 as me because of it. But but it's about to 0:44:18.320 --> 0:44:22.000 be passed, like Biden just decided he was gonna legally 0:44:22.320 --> 0:44:26.040 push the board legalizing it. I might even vote for Biden. 0:44:27.080 --> 0:44:29.280 I might start getting me open up me a shop 0:44:29.360 --> 0:44:31.600 like you did. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You mentioned 0:44:31.680 --> 0:44:34.160 that you were you were playing against Charles Oakley and 0:44:34.200 --> 0:44:36.040 he punched you in the stomach, dead man. No, you 0:44:36.080 --> 0:44:38.279 weren't playing againt him without a comedy show right now, 0:44:38.320 --> 0:44:42.520 we went to Kentucky Derby. So what happened? So Dave 0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:46.240 Chappelle walks up with Chris Tucker. He goes out, Michael 0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:48.359 sitting and here's your man, Michael, right here, right here, 0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:53.359 right here, right one time? Michael or Kobe which one? 0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:57.400 And I look at Michael and Oakley's over here. I 0:44:57.480 --> 0:44:59.440 don't even see him put his glass down and get 0:44:59.480 --> 0:45:02.399 we inside. I had to boot. It's like all black 0:45:02.480 --> 0:45:06.240 people in this boot. And I said money at twenty seven, 0:45:06.760 --> 0:45:09.359 young fella would give you the business. And Oakley came 0:45:09.400 --> 0:45:11.839 out of nowhere and not all undershanow. When I tell 0:45:11.840 --> 0:45:14.399 you he hit me, You ever get punched, don't see 0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:17.439 the punch coming. It's like a quarterback not seeing he's 0:45:17.480 --> 0:45:19.920 about to get destroyed for the back. He hit me 0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:23.360 so hard. Man, I'm heavy handed to people. Don't realize 0:45:23.360 --> 0:45:26.200 how big oaks and Mike was like, you know, sound crazy. 0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:28.080 He just messed with them. I was like trying to 0:45:28.120 --> 0:45:30.960 act like I was laughing, trying to find air, and 0:45:31.920 --> 0:45:37.319 I was like, I give me air, oh man, I should, 0:45:38.000 --> 0:45:41.360 And it was I'm glad there was no women understanding 0:45:41.400 --> 0:45:43.759 what I was saying. Just look like boys playing man. 0:45:44.840 --> 0:45:46.520 I would have had to get one on the eye. 0:45:48.960 --> 0:45:52.040 Ain't gonna have me laughing. You take my breath away, 0:45:52.160 --> 0:45:54.839 just like Oakley did with that punch. You you uh 0:45:55.360 --> 0:45:57.319 lad Bird. You played against like I said, du dude, 0:45:57.400 --> 0:45:59.200 I mean y'all were in the same same conference, and 0:45:59.200 --> 0:46:00.960 you played each other so many times, in the Eastern 0:46:01.000 --> 0:46:03.960 Conference Final, in the in the in the playoffs. They 0:46:04.000 --> 0:46:07.640 say Larry was more of a trash talker than Jordans. Yes, 0:46:08.320 --> 0:46:12.960 and me and O. This is the crazy thing. Larry 0:46:13.080 --> 0:46:17.759 Bird as a black guy, you know, the bleach the 0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:20.440 skin just so he can, just so he wasn't get 0:46:20.480 --> 0:46:24.560 in trouble going downtown and because if you heard his 0:46:24.680 --> 0:46:28.200 diction you would understand the tude. But Matt, but Larry 0:46:28.520 --> 0:46:32.400 was just the business. Like I saw. I'm so happy 0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:38.759 on TikTok TikTok. Somebody put other Larry Bird pieces and 0:46:38.840 --> 0:46:43.839 then you can ask magic. He didn't miss those big 0:46:43.880 --> 0:46:47.480 shots went in right, those big plays he made right. 0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:51.800 He said. It was disrespectful for you for the opposing 0:46:51.840 --> 0:46:53.160 coach to put a white player on him and say 0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:55.480 you disrespect him, and you disrespect him my game to 0:46:55.600 --> 0:46:58.440 not to give me. Yeah, I want all the smoke 0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:01.759 and then he was gonna talks man and sound like it. 0:47:02.560 --> 0:47:05.240 And that's how I knew that he was passed on Blanc. 0:47:06.520 --> 0:47:09.560 He was passive for White. He was just passive. Is 0:47:09.680 --> 0:47:12.160 that why him and Doc got into it? Say he 0:47:12.280 --> 0:47:13.920 was talking, he was talking. He was talking to Doc. 0:47:13.960 --> 0:47:16.239 He said, you're old man. This is my lead. Now, 0:47:17.160 --> 0:47:19.920 this is my lead. Take the three with you. And 0:47:20.000 --> 0:47:22.520 he would say, he would say, side, you better get help, you, 0:47:22.719 --> 0:47:27.520 you better ask for help. And then no, I want 0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:32.399 on him. I got him, I got him draws. I'm like, oh, 0:47:32.880 --> 0:47:35.640 somebody about to get n't take this. I'm a foul him. 0:47:36.560 --> 0:47:41.680 This is really good kanyact. I'm not that I'm surprised. 0:47:42.600 --> 0:47:49.200 I'm pleasantly surplied. I'm pleasant. I'm not angry surprised. I 0:47:49.480 --> 0:47:52.640 can't believe it. You know what, I got one for you? 0:47:52.840 --> 0:47:55.080 I want you to give me your all time starting five, 0:47:55.120 --> 0:48:02.520 but your former teammates who wo so somebody to go 0:48:02.640 --> 0:48:21.520 get left off this day? I got Brian Shaw. I've 0:48:21.600 --> 0:48:25.320 never done this. Okay, what do you mean the guys 0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:28.040 I like to hang out with now you're all times. 0:48:28.080 --> 0:48:30.440 I need you to give me your starting five or 0:48:30.520 --> 0:48:37.319 your former teammates starting five. Yeah, oh, I'm not in there. 0:48:37.560 --> 0:48:40.759 I'm coaching. I mean, you want to put yourself in there, 0:48:40.760 --> 0:48:42.760 but I don't know why you would do that. But okay, 0:48:44.200 --> 0:48:51.280 I'm coaching. You asking five around me? You mean four others? 0:48:52.880 --> 0:48:59.640 I would have Shaquille, Bill lamb Beer okay, Dennis Rodman Okay, 0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:11.719 Kobe Bryant. Oh oh oh, I that Kannak made me 0:49:11.800 --> 0:49:22.240 think about feel like I'm on drink. Champs hold on, Sakil, Kobe, Kobe, Isaiah, Isaiah, Michael, Michael, 0:49:23.200 --> 0:49:26.560 Dennis Rodman. Okay, let me tell you what would happen? 0:49:27.760 --> 0:49:31.399 What would what would their record be? They would their 0:49:31.440 --> 0:49:34.120 record would be? Would they be would they be Golden State? 0:49:34.200 --> 0:49:38.600 They seven people punched in the face. This is why 0:49:39.760 --> 0:49:44.280 Michael is not going to pass the ball. Okay, Kobe 0:49:44.800 --> 0:49:49.560 is not going to pass the ball. Isaiah, depending on 0:49:49.719 --> 0:49:52.000 the day, is going to tell you who is going 0:49:52.120 --> 0:49:56.080 to get the ball. Okay. Dennis is going to play 0:49:56.719 --> 0:50:01.320 the toughest defense on whoever the other big is, and 0:50:01.480 --> 0:50:09.160 Shaquill's gonna be in the middle. So and I'm glad 0:50:09.239 --> 0:50:13.880 we did that. When people put teams together, you have 0:50:14.239 --> 0:50:18.440 to put when when when I developed a human. I'm 0:50:18.480 --> 0:50:26.040 sorry when God developed a human. Same difference when God 0:50:26.120 --> 0:50:29.000 developed a human. And let's just talk about the spine. Right, 0:50:29.080 --> 0:50:33.520 there's bone and then there's this. Both of them are important, right, 0:50:33.880 --> 0:50:37.480 But you can't have all bone, right because now you 0:50:37.600 --> 0:50:39.759 have to get it fused and you have no no 0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:44.040 ability to be flexible. Right, so you need Draymond Green 0:50:44.640 --> 0:50:47.840 to snap, snap snap. Only get six points, five rebounds. 0:50:47.960 --> 0:50:50.960 But this guy only got four points and he thinks 0:50:51.040 --> 0:50:54.400 he after listening to Draymond, He's gonna go home and 0:50:54.520 --> 0:50:57.080 ask his wife. Is all that true what Draymond was 0:50:57.120 --> 0:51:00.400 saying on the court, right, he's got it unwinded, right, 0:51:00.920 --> 0:51:04.160 So it's just hard to have one basketball and guys 0:51:04.200 --> 0:51:06.759 who have to have the basketball on the same team. 0:51:08.560 --> 0:51:11.080 Is Isaiah the greatest player you've ever played with? I think? So? 0:51:12.480 --> 0:51:14.640 I think? Did you not play with Michael? Did you 0:51:14.719 --> 0:51:17.720 not play with Shaggy Kobe? Yeah? What da? What happened? 0:51:17.920 --> 0:51:22.680 Isaiah was six feet tall, two time champion, five MVP, 0:51:22.840 --> 0:51:25.160 twelve time All Star, two time All Star Game MVP, 0:51:25.560 --> 0:51:29.040 all time all NBA. Yeah, I think Michael was the greatest. 0:51:29.360 --> 0:51:32.000 I say that, and he knows why I say that. 0:51:32.480 --> 0:51:35.960 Just pissed him off. I used to say to him, money, 0:51:37.560 --> 0:51:41.040 these people you're messire. I say it, in two thousand years, 0:51:42.400 --> 0:51:46.240 In two thousand years, they're gonna be worshiping like they're 0:51:46.239 --> 0:51:48.800 gonna be Jesus who like you're the beside. Yeah, he 0:51:48.920 --> 0:51:50.879 was like, shut up side, and I go, dog, think 0:51:50.880 --> 0:51:53.840 about it. Some people literally worship their whole lives and 0:51:53.960 --> 0:51:56.719 have everything based upon you, And if they met you, 0:51:57.440 --> 0:51:59.759 you wouldn't talk to him, you wouldn't say anything, so 0:52:00.560 --> 0:52:03.400 like you'd be like yo, security. But some people are 0:52:03.480 --> 0:52:06.080 like stuck in that piece. And I said that. I 0:52:06.160 --> 0:52:08.840 would say to uh James Worthy, I said, can you 0:52:08.920 --> 0:52:11.640 believe the way they treat Michael. He goes, yeah, skinny 0:52:11.719 --> 0:52:14.080 little Michael. They actually like skinny little Michael. It is 0:52:14.120 --> 0:52:16.760 the best player there. Because when we were in college, 0:52:16.800 --> 0:52:19.680 he was just skinny. You know, we would laugh about it. 0:52:20.120 --> 0:52:22.080 We laugh about it was Mike Jordan. Yeah, it was 0:52:22.080 --> 0:52:24.680 like yeah, yeah, you know he was when he went 0:52:24.719 --> 0:52:26.759 and tried it out. It was Clyde Drexon was going 0:52:26.840 --> 0:52:29.040 at him. This person was going at him, and then 0:52:29.160 --> 0:52:33.800 he just he turned into like this unbelievd like little Wayne. 0:52:33.840 --> 0:52:35.200 When he was part of the Hot Boys and then 0:52:35.280 --> 0:52:39.520 he turned into weezy. But the thing, you've been around him, 0:52:41.080 --> 0:52:46.359 I've never seen anything like Mike. The aura around him. 0:52:46.960 --> 0:52:50.520 The man is like he levitating Eddie Murphy. He I've 0:52:50.520 --> 0:52:54.000 never Eddie Murphy. I've never been around Eddie. I've been 0:52:54.040 --> 0:52:57.479 around some famous actors and actresses and seen some famous people, 0:52:57.960 --> 0:53:02.680 but Jordan is like Jordan levitate. Yeah, yeah, he changed it. 0:53:02.840 --> 0:53:04.920 You know. It's so funny too, because you you you 0:53:05.280 --> 0:53:09.120 you based everything upon Michael Jordan. Even Tom Brady is 0:53:09.160 --> 0:53:12.759 based upon Michael Jordan. Right, he's the Jordan the football. Yeah, 0:53:12.800 --> 0:53:16.560 he's the Jordan the basketball. Yeah, that kind of stuff. 0:53:17.480 --> 0:53:21.239 What was the other cat? So I did a a 0:53:21.320 --> 0:53:24.480 friend of mine and say his name, you know, wanted 0:53:24.520 --> 0:53:28.440 to meet Beyonce. Uh. And it's right before September eleven, 0:53:28.960 --> 0:53:31.799 and we're at this at this event in New York, 0:53:32.320 --> 0:53:36.640 and so I introduced Beyonce to him and she got hi, 0:53:36.840 --> 0:53:39.200 and she go, John, I want to meet Michael Jackson. 0:53:39.280 --> 0:53:42.440 I said, I felt different. I said that I felt different. 0:53:42.560 --> 0:53:44.680 I didn't know he was in Like he literally changed 0:53:44.719 --> 0:53:46.960 the molecules in the room, right, Michael Jordan does the 0:53:47.000 --> 0:53:49.800 same thing. Yeah, I begged him to go out with 0:53:49.960 --> 0:53:53.440 us in Philadelphia. We go out. We're going the back way. 0:53:53.520 --> 0:53:55.160 We spoke as the guards in the joint and the 0:53:55.239 --> 0:53:57.400 owner of the start of the club come and go 0:53:57.960 --> 0:54:00.920 Michael Jordan and my club. Cut the music off and 0:54:01.000 --> 0:54:03.920 turn the lights on. He wanted everybody to see Michael 0:54:03.960 --> 0:54:06.840 Jordan's in his club. I'm telling you, he changes the 0:54:06.920 --> 0:54:10.440 way people move. His His new wife is is the 0:54:10.560 --> 0:54:14.919 bomb too, because her making him do normal things. Yeah, 0:54:15.239 --> 0:54:17.640 it's dope. It's good for him. You know, it's kind 0:54:17.680 --> 0:54:20.120 of crazy because he's very isolated early on. I mean 0:54:20.160 --> 0:54:21.759 he didn't really do anything. He didn't do I mean 0:54:21.920 --> 0:54:25.239 really anything publicly. No. We were in Monte Carlo and 0:54:25.560 --> 0:54:31.799 uh Mob's Hagler was, you know, he moved to Italy 0:54:32.280 --> 0:54:34.440 and he was in Central Peg and he saw Michael 0:54:35.120 --> 0:54:38.720 and Mike was more impressed to seeing U Marvin Hagler 0:54:39.120 --> 0:54:41.880 than they were just happy to talk to one another. 0:54:42.200 --> 0:54:44.120 And then we were walking in the street and I go, 0:54:44.200 --> 0:54:45.840 how you like this? He goes, No one's bothering me. 0:54:46.000 --> 0:54:47.920 I go, because you don't you make less than them. 0:54:48.400 --> 0:54:53.000 We're in Monte Carlo, Like, bro, you you you're not 0:54:53.080 --> 0:54:56.399 making anywhere close to this money right here, so him, 0:54:57.080 --> 0:54:59.000 you know, I took it for granted because I can 0:54:59.080 --> 0:55:02.560 go anywhere, and I can go anywhere, and then I 0:55:02.880 --> 0:55:04.880 don't y'all know who I think I am. I supposed 0:55:04.880 --> 0:55:08.640 to be up front, but he can't go anywhere. So 0:55:08.880 --> 0:55:11.560 it's it's do you think he's the most recognizable person 0:55:11.560 --> 0:55:14.279 in the world used to be? Who you think it 0:55:14.400 --> 0:55:20.839 is now Kanye West? If I'm if I'm wrong, That's 0:55:20.920 --> 0:55:24.719 why I told you he's brilliant. He is brilliant. I 0:55:25.239 --> 0:55:28.200 would have said. The only people that could probably rival him, 0:55:29.120 --> 0:55:33.279 and as far as face recognition probably Christiano Ronaldo. No, 0:55:33.960 --> 0:55:38.360 uh no, probably Messy. No, they're just soccer players. They 0:55:38.440 --> 0:55:42.480 gotta have their jerseys are Nah, people know them. I 0:55:43.000 --> 0:55:47.320 guarantee you that man got five hundred million followers. I 0:55:47.560 --> 0:55:56.040 haf a billion, Kanye got six billion dollars. No, you 0:55:56.160 --> 0:56:01.120 do realize like most like Elon Musk, music trans sends everything. 0:56:02.320 --> 0:56:06.440 So you think you think Kanye' is more recognizable than Jordan, 0:56:06.520 --> 0:56:11.960 Messi or Renaldo right now? Like some people didn't know 0:56:12.040 --> 0:56:14.400 Michael Jordan played basketball now, but you know what he 0:56:14.760 --> 0:56:18.040 or Tiger when Tiger was at his hip. You don't 0:56:18.040 --> 0:56:20.640 know what Tiger looked like. Now Tiger got a limp. 0:56:22.200 --> 0:56:24.359 You know what I'm saying. I ain't gonna say nothing 0:56:24.360 --> 0:56:28.840 mean shanity. Wait, he ain't got that walk anymore. He doesn't, 0:56:28.920 --> 0:56:31.320 you know, he doesn't show up in those spots anymore. 0:56:31.480 --> 0:56:35.640 He's downplaying it, trying to you know, he's letting everything 0:56:35.800 --> 0:56:38.480 die down before Tiger strikes back. He's ready to prop 0:56:38.640 --> 0:56:41.120 You think he could. You think we'll ever see one 0:56:41.200 --> 0:56:42.640 more glimpse of what he gave us a couple of 0:56:42.680 --> 0:56:45.440 years ago at the Masters. If Tiger got into hot yoga, 0:56:45.680 --> 0:56:49.080 this is true statement. If Tiger got into yoga, he'd 0:56:49.160 --> 0:56:52.800 be back and be hot yoga. He'd be back to 0:56:52.880 --> 0:56:57.880 the Tiger we knew, because every other distraction got in 0:56:58.000 --> 0:57:02.440 tiger life got in the way. So once he centers himself, 0:57:03.040 --> 0:57:08.759 he's unstoppable. Are you sad? Are you disappointed? Or upset? Sad? 0:57:08.760 --> 0:57:10.840 I guess sad. It's a better choice of words to 0:57:10.920 --> 0:57:14.839 see how it's playing out between Scotty and Michael. Did 0:57:14.920 --> 0:57:16.800 you ever think it? Did you ever think it would 0:57:16.800 --> 0:57:19.600 get to this? Because I thought I always think mine. 0:57:19.640 --> 0:57:21.120 I thought it was I thought they were cool. I 0:57:21.200 --> 0:57:24.080 thought they were clowning. I thought they clowned you know, 0:57:24.200 --> 0:57:27.080 he's clowning it. You know, Michael clowns him and stuff. Right. 0:57:29.960 --> 0:57:32.520 I think the last dance did this because Jordan said 0:57:32.520 --> 0:57:35.160 something the last dance because if it's the first of all, 0:57:35.360 --> 0:57:37.080 Michael won't say anything. He didn't say to your face. 0:57:37.360 --> 0:57:40.160 But no, but here's the thing. If why would you 0:57:40.320 --> 0:57:44.080 put Scotty not Jordan, you weren't there. Why would you 0:57:44.160 --> 0:57:46.720 put Scotty not going into the game in ninety four 0:57:46.960 --> 0:57:48.560 when you weren't there? Why would you put that in 0:57:48.600 --> 0:57:51.680 your documentary? It's like me, I got something, but I'm 0:57:51.680 --> 0:57:55.320 gonna put something that's not that's not pleasing to John 0:57:55.560 --> 0:57:58.840 in my documentary. What the hell? You look like? I 0:57:58.880 --> 0:58:01.480 gotta do it? Did I do it? This is the deal. 0:58:03.040 --> 0:58:08.640 Scotty was wrong in ninety four. Yes, and this was 0:58:08.880 --> 0:58:11.720 part of the story on how Tony Kucko got to 0:58:11.800 --> 0:58:13.680 it and how but that was that that didn't last, 0:58:13.720 --> 0:58:15.360 that that ain't by part of the Jordan's story. Jordan 0:58:15.360 --> 0:58:18.280 went on the team. Well he also didn't edit it, 0:58:19.280 --> 0:58:24.520 but you know, you know, just exactly they had to say, Yeah, 0:58:24.560 --> 0:58:26.520 he got he got final safe. He goes some Cutton 0:58:26.560 --> 0:58:30.240 no shoe hell Jordan has saying that he did, Hey 0:58:30.760 --> 0:58:32.880 you and shouting I'm gonna tell you right now, you 0:58:33.040 --> 0:58:39.600 had the best interview with Lamar Oldham, period and period. 0:58:40.120 --> 0:58:43.760 Lad almost had it. Lad almost had that interview. The 0:58:43.880 --> 0:58:46.680 boy didn't. He didn't show up. I'm telling you you 0:58:46.840 --> 0:58:50.200 had the best interview. Appreciate that. Lamar he said seriously, 0:58:50.240 --> 0:58:53.120 he said no to everybody else but you and felt 0:58:53.200 --> 0:58:57.760 comfortable telling you his truth. You're not how crazy that is? Yeah, 0:58:58.160 --> 0:58:59.800 I wish you would have want to cut something out 0:59:00.000 --> 0:59:01.600 and I was, and I was a producing on here. 0:59:01.600 --> 0:59:03.760 I'd be shouting, you know, you're right, We're gonna cut 0:59:03.800 --> 0:59:05.840 it out, and then I'll have somebody go get you 0:59:06.000 --> 0:59:09.160 drunk while we put it on the air. I could 0:59:09.160 --> 0:59:13.040 say sorry to you. After we get the points the Lakers. 0:59:13.080 --> 0:59:15.320 You go to the Lakers, after you stared with the bulls. 0:59:16.560 --> 0:59:21.480 The Lakers basically signed you the baby shit babysit shot. 0:59:22.120 --> 0:59:24.600 Now you guys, I mean you do have some familiarity, 0:59:24.720 --> 0:59:29.680 both of you adults mgat side five the purplely Gold. Yes, 0:59:30.200 --> 0:59:32.440 this is the deal. That's not that's that's how I 0:59:32.520 --> 0:59:37.280 got in. Okay, I did you know I'm I don't 0:59:37.280 --> 0:59:39.880 know if you noticed, but I'm I'm a psychic. So 0:59:40.280 --> 0:59:43.840 I literally was watching like old, yeah, we're gonna put 0:59:44.680 --> 0:59:48.200 I had put over. I was a psycho. I caught 0:59:48.240 --> 0:59:50.000 Field and I gonna dog, you ain't gonna let these 0:59:50.040 --> 0:59:52.400 two guys not win a championship. And I had no 0:59:52.520 --> 0:59:55.000 idea he was negotiating with the Lakers, right, So I 0:59:55.120 --> 0:59:57.160 had to play it off like, well, you know, I 0:59:57.280 --> 0:59:59.360 know the inside, so you better put me. I had to. 0:59:59.440 --> 1:00:03.640 I realized I tapped in at the right time, and 1:00:03.760 --> 1:00:06.440 so I had to act like, Okay, you're going in. 1:00:06.560 --> 1:00:09.600 You're gonna need me because I do this. And my 1:00:09.880 --> 1:00:16.120 job wasn't to babysit. It was literally, Field believes in vets, 1:00:16.600 --> 1:00:19.040 and I said, I lived five doors from shot. He 1:00:20.320 --> 1:00:23.200 listens to me. He's one of my favorite people on 1:00:23.320 --> 1:00:27.640 the planet. When I needed money financially, Kat hit me down. 1:00:27.760 --> 1:00:29.080 And when I was like, I'm gonna pay you back, 1:00:29.080 --> 1:00:32.840 it don't pay me back. I was like, damn, like this, 1:00:33.320 --> 1:00:34.840 leave some money. You gonna pay me back? Oh yeah, 1:00:34.840 --> 1:00:40.680 I know that's right. I'm hurt your eyes and uh, 1:00:41.120 --> 1:00:44.240 but when you I was sitting there and I would 1:00:44.240 --> 1:00:47.080 do this the shot. I knew that, I knew the offense. 1:00:47.120 --> 1:00:50.840 I thought the offense was beautiful, and so you know, 1:00:53.280 --> 1:00:55.520 TEXT loved that I knew the offense. Loved that I 1:00:55.640 --> 1:00:58.680 loved he literally wrote the book and then autographed it 1:00:58.760 --> 1:01:00.760 to me. I knew the words and why it worked, 1:01:00.800 --> 1:01:03.760 a new other nuances of it. And so I would 1:01:03.800 --> 1:01:05.880 just stand behind Shack when I'm guarding him. But he 1:01:05.920 --> 1:01:08.480 would say something and Chat would go to make a 1:01:08.680 --> 1:01:11.920 move that everybody would make. I go, don't move. He 1:01:12.040 --> 1:01:15.800 knows you're gonna make that move. Let this happen because 1:01:15.840 --> 1:01:18.440 this person is not knowing what comes after this. And 1:01:18.560 --> 1:01:22.080 this Shack would listen. And then Shack said, why can't 1:01:22.080 --> 1:01:23.840 I just post up right here? I said, you can, 1:01:24.520 --> 1:01:27.200 but wait till late in the gate. Things like that. 1:01:27.920 --> 1:01:31.200 And then we went to Boston and me and Shaq's uncle, 1:01:31.400 --> 1:01:33.520 we we got to go out. Shack couldn't go out. 1:01:34.640 --> 1:01:37.080 Shack could go out, but we got to go out. 1:01:39.000 --> 1:01:43.760 Besides that, I think it's mostly energy. The reason I've 1:01:43.800 --> 1:01:47.000 been on teams that one championship is I bring a 1:01:47.080 --> 1:01:50.680 better energy. I'm a teammate, I'm a I'm a hard worker. 1:01:50.720 --> 1:01:53.840 I make sure like hey, man, we gotta be on 1:01:53.920 --> 1:01:58.400 the bus at this time. That that constant tick on 1:01:58.600 --> 1:02:00.480 what we have to do. Those are kind of things 1:02:00.520 --> 1:02:03.960 I get to. Yeah, you saw me over CJ with 1:02:04.080 --> 1:02:08.000 my eye watering. Somebody must have plenty earlier. No, so 1:02:08.160 --> 1:02:11.160 what happened Saturn is I got radio. I went and 1:02:11.240 --> 1:02:13.960 got my eyes operated on because I ain't want to 1:02:14.000 --> 1:02:17.600 show you how big my glass. Yeah, and then you 1:02:17.960 --> 1:02:20.919 tell your Vegan though I thought, Vegan, don't getting don't 1:02:20.920 --> 1:02:24.040 get anything wrong, No, no, no, no, ever I had 1:02:24.200 --> 1:02:29.040 this was bad eyesight since I was in green and 1:02:29.120 --> 1:02:30.960 I know my daughter said that too. I wish better. 1:02:31.080 --> 1:02:33.440 Carro team was really the only thing that would help 1:02:33.520 --> 1:02:36.480 my eye. I didn't see so much bad stuff my 1:02:36.560 --> 1:02:40.120 eyes watering, and and and literally I got when I 1:02:40.200 --> 1:02:42.640 got poked in the eye. It kind of messed it up. 1:02:42.680 --> 1:02:45.960 Somebody my tear duck keeps watering. They told me that's 1:02:45.960 --> 1:02:47.960 a part of the illuminati too. That's what they said 1:02:49.760 --> 1:02:51.960 on the internet. That's why I said everything on the internet. Boy, 1:02:51.960 --> 1:02:54.640 I was saying, I didn't even know why what's happening? 1:02:54.760 --> 1:02:57.560 Longf I know, we see what happened last week with 1:02:58.480 --> 1:03:01.760 the situation in Boston. I made Idoka. Do you believe 1:03:01.760 --> 1:03:08.040 he'll ever coach? I made Idoka? Oh really, Udoka? I 1:03:08.120 --> 1:03:14.760 made Eudoka. Don't make me make jokes Adoka Udoka. Do 1:03:14.920 --> 1:03:18.680 you believe he'll coach again? No? Hell's no. So why 1:03:18.720 --> 1:03:20.400 they so? Why they do this to my own? Were 1:03:20.400 --> 1:03:22.680 gonna suspending for the season and then we're gonna reevaluate. 1:03:22.760 --> 1:03:26.720 Why not go? You know the real reason I think 1:03:26.760 --> 1:03:29.160 they wanted. Normally in a situation like this, when they have, 1:03:29.720 --> 1:03:33.200 you know, the gout, normally come there and says I'm resigning, 1:03:33.480 --> 1:03:35.800 you know, blah blah blah, and they're hoping he resigned, 1:03:35.840 --> 1:03:38.800 then you don't have to pay the money. He's like, no, not. 1:03:38.920 --> 1:03:41.520 If somebody resigned, you gotta pay it. Yeah, So why 1:03:41.560 --> 1:03:45.240 don't you just resly to get your money, because then 1:03:45.320 --> 1:03:49.200 they're gonna invoke the moral club, which means they don't 1:03:49.200 --> 1:03:51.800 have to pay. And if I suspend you, I don't 1:03:51.840 --> 1:03:54.720 have to. They ain't police officers. Right, he ain't gonna 1:03:54.760 --> 1:03:57.200 suspend you with pay. Right, You're not gonna kill a 1:03:57.280 --> 1:04:00.600 black guy. Jesus, you're not going on the minut straight League. 1:04:00.640 --> 1:04:03.960 Yet you didn't kill a black eye. Come on, So 1:04:05.040 --> 1:04:08.640 that's what they're gonna do. They're gonna suffering, and we're 1:04:08.640 --> 1:04:11.280 gonna let you have to deal with this, that you 1:04:11.520 --> 1:04:14.040 have to sleep with this, Let you have to go 1:04:14.160 --> 1:04:17.560 with this the whole day. Could they have lived differently? No, No, 1:04:18.080 --> 1:04:21.080 they had They had to say we suspended. They don't 1:04:21.080 --> 1:04:23.240 believe in any of any of the things that's happening 1:04:23.320 --> 1:04:25.760 until I know for sure when they come out with 1:04:25.920 --> 1:04:28.920 this is what happened. My my heart goes out to 1:04:29.000 --> 1:04:31.840 my friend Nia because she don't want to be known 1:04:31.880 --> 1:04:34.000 for this, right, She don't want to be known for 1:04:34.080 --> 1:04:37.280 the girl. She don't she's an actress, she's a director, 1:04:37.640 --> 1:04:40.480 she's a mom. It's a bad bitch. Yes, she don't 1:04:40.480 --> 1:04:42.200 want to be that's the thing Nia wants to be 1:04:42.280 --> 1:04:45.360 known for. So I know that pistol Off at that piece. 1:04:45.480 --> 1:04:48.760 I've been around it since the eighties, right, Well, I'm 1:04:48.800 --> 1:04:51.600 sorry Nia, since the two thousands when she was only 1:04:52.040 --> 1:04:56.400 seventeen eighteen. No, but I've been around it for a 1:04:56.480 --> 1:05:01.520 long time, and I think that however it is, they 1:05:01.640 --> 1:05:06.480 thought of the way to literally twist the knife constantly 1:05:06.560 --> 1:05:09.640 and let you die slow. But there's no reason to 1:05:09.760 --> 1:05:12.520 ever let him be a coach somewhere else. Well not. 1:05:12.680 --> 1:05:16.800 I mean that's a that's an unforgivable no. Now, everywhere 1:05:16.840 --> 1:05:18.640 you go as a coach, that's all you're gonna be 1:05:18.760 --> 1:05:21.640 known for it. That's why they suspended him. So this 1:05:21.960 --> 1:05:28.120 can constantly soak and soak and fester and fester and fester. 1:05:29.320 --> 1:05:32.960 What about what if he goes to college? What college? 1:05:33.440 --> 1:05:36.360 What booster is going to sit down and want you 1:05:36.480 --> 1:05:38.400 to stand next to his man. It's hard for me 1:05:38.480 --> 1:05:40.240 to believe that I made Doka, did the worst thing 1:05:40.360 --> 1:05:42.280 ever for a coach, and he can't get another job. 1:05:43.200 --> 1:05:48.360 I feel sorry for you not knowing it. Well, you know, 1:05:48.560 --> 1:05:55.600 you'd be better off giving Brett father ebt card. He 1:05:55.720 --> 1:05:58.000 probably got a bunchet old. He got a bunchet old. 1:05:58.280 --> 1:06:00.080 He got a bunch of got a bunchet old, a 1:06:00.120 --> 1:06:04.920 bunch of Bernard TVs Bernard, Bernard Bernard phone. Oh my god, 1:06:05.000 --> 1:06:07.200 that's not gonna make it. But that was funny. Let's 1:06:07.240 --> 1:06:09.520 talk about let's talk about that Bad Boys Piston team. 1:06:09.560 --> 1:06:13.080 And you mentioned obviously Isaiah. You had Joe Dumars, you 1:06:13.200 --> 1:06:15.480 had Mohorn for one of the championships, you had yourself, 1:06:15.560 --> 1:06:19.040 you had Lambert, you had Worm and Dennis Rodman. What 1:06:19.280 --> 1:06:27.120 made that team so special? James Edwards, Ny MacGuard. One 1:06:27.160 --> 1:06:29.720 year you had Dai. Did you win the championship with Dane? 1:06:29.920 --> 1:06:32.640 Did you know we got cheated out here with the Lakers? 1:06:32.760 --> 1:06:35.920 They called the fake foul and they did, they did, 1:06:36.520 --> 1:06:39.840 and they did that. They had a witch doctor at 1:06:39.880 --> 1:06:43.560 the game in game six and threw it at Isaiah's ankle. 1:06:43.920 --> 1:06:46.200 I'm telling you, man, I hadn't been in some some 1:06:46.360 --> 1:06:50.760 spirits going around. I no, A d taught me everything though. 1:06:51.200 --> 1:06:53.920 That was that was the best. We named him teacher, 1:06:54.400 --> 1:06:58.120 the best teacher for three years. And I've had great coaches, right. 1:06:58.240 --> 1:07:02.040 My teachering came from add and agent. Daddy. Still love you, bro, 1:07:02.720 --> 1:07:05.680 and you have that you what I said and I 1:07:05.800 --> 1:07:10.040 watched now when I listened to you, there's no vets, right, 1:07:10.520 --> 1:07:13.720 And if there are vets, I'm not saying all of y'all, 1:07:14.720 --> 1:07:18.360 but my vets. Knowing I was going, Rick Mahorne knew 1:07:18.400 --> 1:07:21.680 they brought me in to take his spot. He still 1:07:21.800 --> 1:07:27.440 taught me and gave me technique. He knows it. Eventually, 1:07:27.560 --> 1:07:29.480 you're you know, you gotta know that the next guy 1:07:29.560 --> 1:07:31.920 is coming in and but why are you here you're 1:07:31.920 --> 1:07:34.520 gonna play right, you better be good at this because 1:07:34.640 --> 1:07:38.080 we need to be good across the board. And that's 1:07:38.120 --> 1:07:40.000 the way I looked at it, and I would and 1:07:40.120 --> 1:07:45.560 I think about it. Man, some people don't realize in 1:07:45.680 --> 1:07:51.280 this world, these are fortune five hundred guys that's supposed 1:07:51.320 --> 1:07:53.200 to work together. It's hard to work together. So what 1:07:53.400 --> 1:07:56.080 makes you a champion? Or how I think is all 1:07:56.160 --> 1:07:59.240 you guys, you're gonna you saw what happened even with y'all. 1:08:00.320 --> 1:08:03.120 When money gets involved, it messes everything out. Yeah, it 1:08:03.240 --> 1:08:06.480 mess the team up. It messes everything. Eut if money 1:08:06.640 --> 1:08:09.280 was not involved, if you can get your money and 1:08:09.400 --> 1:08:11.760 no one knows how much you got, if you had 1:08:11.800 --> 1:08:15.560 to play hard, boys, it be unbelievable. Do you believe 1:08:15.680 --> 1:08:18.920 that's a best responsibility because a lot of people don't 1:08:18.920 --> 1:08:21.240 feel that it's not my job to get hit, you know, 1:08:21.479 --> 1:08:23.519 to get him ready, or to give him this or 1:08:23.560 --> 1:08:26.160 to do that. I felt it was my job to 1:08:26.320 --> 1:08:28.439 help the younger players, even though a lot of I 1:08:28.560 --> 1:08:30.040 mean I didn't really have a whole lot of guys, 1:08:30.080 --> 1:08:31.439 but some guys, some of the when I was a 1:08:31.439 --> 1:08:35.320 wide receiver, guys like Mark Jackson, Guys like Mark Vans Johnson. 1:08:35.600 --> 1:08:38.080 They helped me. Yeah, but I felt that in turn 1:08:38.240 --> 1:08:40.200 it was my job to get the other Titans when 1:08:40.200 --> 1:08:42.479 I moved switched positions to get them ready. Do you 1:08:42.560 --> 1:08:45.840 feel that's a best obligation. Yeah, you have to. If 1:08:45.880 --> 1:08:48.439 you don't teach him that he shouldn't be on the squad, 1:08:48.920 --> 1:08:51.840 it'd be like, I know, I don't know if you 1:08:51.920 --> 1:08:56.160 know anything about gang warfare. I don't. I don't. But 1:08:57.040 --> 1:09:00.360 but what I did was make think but but just 1:09:00.560 --> 1:09:02.559 think about it. If you were in the army, yes, 1:09:03.080 --> 1:09:06.839 you would have to teach that person everything to survive 1:09:07.439 --> 1:09:11.000 and be worthy of the guy behind you. Right, the 1:09:11.080 --> 1:09:14.560 marine mentality, you know, so that if Marie, if the 1:09:14.760 --> 1:09:16.840 young guy comes in the marine, the older marine is 1:09:16.840 --> 1:09:18.760 gonna teach him how to be a better marine. Right, 1:09:19.080 --> 1:09:24.360 skip some of the pitfall so you don't like so 1:09:24.479 --> 1:09:27.080 you don't run in or falling those rights. And I 1:09:27.200 --> 1:09:29.439 think it's it's supposed to be. I think you teach 1:09:29.520 --> 1:09:33.400 him too. Enhances you because if you're showing somebody like 1:09:33.520 --> 1:09:37.920 a Keem used to show people his movie, right, the 1:09:38.040 --> 1:09:41.200 more he practiced you. But you gotta be really secure 1:09:41.280 --> 1:09:44.559 to do that. Yeah, you gotta be really secure. Yeah, 1:09:44.880 --> 1:09:48.360 but you're right. We understand. We understand there's a lot 1:09:48.439 --> 1:09:51.120 of guys in the wrong place though, and that that 1:09:51.400 --> 1:09:53.759 those are not winners. I don't look at him as winners. 1:09:54.200 --> 1:09:58.760 You guys chase the Boston Celtics for years, that Big 1:09:58.840 --> 1:10:04.320 Three with Parish Bird, McHale, that had DJ, that had 1:10:04.400 --> 1:10:07.120 I mean, you guys chased him for for a long 1:10:07.280 --> 1:10:11.720 long time. When you finally got over the mountain, then 1:10:11.840 --> 1:10:14.559 you had to deal with the Lakers and to get 1:10:14.680 --> 1:10:16.519 and to get because you couldn't get to the Lakers 1:10:16.600 --> 1:10:18.280 until you got past the Celtics. And when you got 1:10:18.320 --> 1:10:20.680 past the Celtics and then you got like damn and 1:10:20.840 --> 1:10:25.120 know what it was, Man, if your conspiracy theorist like 1:10:25.280 --> 1:10:29.960 I am, you would, I'm telling you, some things would happen, 1:10:30.160 --> 1:10:33.360 and I would just turn around and go, Okay, that's 1:10:33.360 --> 1:10:36.800 the way it's gonna be. Give example, we play against 1:10:36.840 --> 1:10:40.519 the Lakers, and we've we got him beat, we're all 1:10:40.640 --> 1:10:44.280 in shot, we gotta beat and Isaiah looking and we're 1:10:44.320 --> 1:10:46.559 all looking, and he grabs the ball, take it out 1:10:46.840 --> 1:10:49.600 and out of nowhere, Live Bird accepts the ball and 1:10:49.680 --> 1:10:55.040 throws into DJ. Now there's no way in history could 1:10:55.120 --> 1:10:58.280 that too have happened right in that sequence. I was like, 1:10:58.720 --> 1:11:01.000 that has to be something else out of us. I 1:11:01.160 --> 1:11:03.400 was like, what Avdel just got kills with the ball. 1:11:03.400 --> 1:11:04.559 He was trying to get in and try to get 1:11:04.600 --> 1:11:06.559 it in bounce before you get can sit their defense, 1:11:06.920 --> 1:11:08.559 and he made trying to throw it the Bill because 1:11:08.560 --> 1:11:12.040 Bill was a good fashion right, but gods never take 1:11:12.080 --> 1:11:15.560 the ball out, and Bill usually and Bill taking the 1:11:15.560 --> 1:11:18.320 ball out, he throws the Isaiah exactly. So it was 1:11:18.479 --> 1:11:20.880 it was just a twist, and I was like, I 1:11:20.920 --> 1:11:23.679 don't how does that happen? And then the next year 1:11:24.200 --> 1:11:26.400 when we beat him, we get here and Isaiah twists 1:11:26.439 --> 1:11:28.560 his ankle. I go out. Of all the times in 1:11:28.640 --> 1:11:33.120 the world, eighty eight, right, because in eighty seven we 1:11:33.200 --> 1:11:35.320 can't get by, And then in eighty eight we get 1:11:35.439 --> 1:11:38.880 here and we got these lakers. Oh my god, we 1:11:39.040 --> 1:11:41.640 had him. So it was so nice. It was so 1:11:41.840 --> 1:11:44.519 messed up. Shadowed my brothers and I went to the 1:11:44.600 --> 1:11:48.240 comedy store and I had rented a card. It was 1:11:48.320 --> 1:11:51.240 a white Mercedes bands. They pulled me over on Lastaanica 1:11:51.360 --> 1:11:54.960 made me get out and sit on the curb nineteen 1:11:55.040 --> 1:11:57.040 eighty eight, sit on the curb until we check all 1:11:57.080 --> 1:12:02.519 the card. He goes, oh Detroit. Uh license kept me there? 1:12:02.560 --> 1:12:04.800 He said, uh, they we're gonna keep you out here 1:12:04.800 --> 1:12:06.080 for a couple of hours. And I said, hey, you 1:12:06.160 --> 1:12:08.839 know curfew? Is that what he said? What time's curfew? 1:12:10.240 --> 1:12:11.880 I mean, why did you put it out? Why did 1:12:11.920 --> 1:12:13.720 you say, you know, if you keep you a little longer, 1:12:13.720 --> 1:12:15.679 you go miss curfew. Why would you say that because 1:12:15.680 --> 1:12:18.800 I didn't have curfew? But I said, well, hope you 1:12:18.840 --> 1:12:21.720 say you got curfe just like eleven thirty right, you know. 1:12:21.920 --> 1:12:23.559 You know. He was like, oh, you're gonna miss curfew. 1:12:24.200 --> 1:12:26.200 And I was like, okay, so no, he gonna keep 1:12:26.240 --> 1:12:29.519 me there till about ten more minutes. No, and I 1:12:29.600 --> 1:12:31.720 can't get to the brainer. This is the crazy thing 1:12:32.120 --> 1:12:36.960 that was the police officer loving the Lakers. It was 1:12:37.439 --> 1:12:39.600 you know, you had to watch where you eat. Like. 1:12:39.960 --> 1:12:42.360 It wasn't just the Lakers, it was the referees living 1:12:42.439 --> 1:12:46.800 Ladera and live in the valley. They ain't flying in, 1:12:46.960 --> 1:12:50.120 they driving to work. So I had to play against 1:12:50.240 --> 1:12:53.720 the Lakers the police officers, and I was like, this 1:12:53.960 --> 1:12:57.080 is just too much. It was too much. But then 1:12:57.120 --> 1:13:00.320 when we finally got him, which is another the thing 1:13:00.360 --> 1:13:04.760 I thought Byron Scott messed up his hand. String man, string, 1:13:05.320 --> 1:13:08.120 I mean I started walking sof I was stretching my hand. 1:13:12.520 --> 1:13:15.320 Did like when you when you guys finally got over 1:13:15.360 --> 1:13:17.680 the mountaintop, did you realize what you had done? That 1:13:17.840 --> 1:13:22.479 you basically had ended the Celtics Big Three? You you 1:13:22.560 --> 1:13:25.240 guys ended it? Did you know you guys were doing that? 1:13:25.360 --> 1:13:27.479 Did you know? Did you know they weren't gonna be 1:13:27.720 --> 1:13:33.920 what they were ever? Again? No, this is how scary 1:13:34.000 --> 1:13:37.519 this was. After we won the championship. I remember we 1:13:37.680 --> 1:13:41.320 came back getting off the plane. It's whatever. I went 1:13:41.400 --> 1:13:44.479 to practice the next day. It was about five of 1:13:44.600 --> 1:13:48.240 us there shouting we forgot we won the championship, Like 1:13:48.880 --> 1:13:51.880 we showed up to go to work. Hey, what you're 1:13:51.880 --> 1:13:55.360 doing here? Side? I was like, oh, I just couldn't 1:13:55.360 --> 1:13:59.559 get something out my locker. Sadly nothing in your locker 1:14:00.040 --> 1:14:03.200 that I was so still in my brain. I have 1:14:03.280 --> 1:14:06.080 to go to practice tomorrow. I got this is the regiment. 1:14:06.200 --> 1:14:09.680 This is even winning it didn't feel real to me. 1:14:09.840 --> 1:14:12.920 It didn't feel done. So when we knew we were 1:14:13.120 --> 1:14:16.639 top of because think about it, they were older, right 1:14:16.920 --> 1:14:19.800 and going to and going to the finals every year 1:14:19.960 --> 1:14:22.160 and going to going to the Eastern Conference Finals and 1:14:22.200 --> 1:14:25.479 going to the NBA Finals every single year. Now, when 1:14:25.520 --> 1:14:27.559 I was going to be a Celtic, right that they 1:14:28.120 --> 1:14:30.720 told me, Red told me he was gonna draft me, 1:14:31.360 --> 1:14:33.360 I would come out. I would go to camp there, 1:14:33.600 --> 1:14:35.679 I would, I would. I just knew I was gonna 1:14:35.680 --> 1:14:37.599 be a Celtic. And I would be in the locker 1:14:37.720 --> 1:14:41.320 room and Larry would talk to me and he'd be 1:14:41.560 --> 1:14:46.400 in ice up to here, ice here, ice on the shoulders, 1:14:46.760 --> 1:14:49.400 ice on his neck, ice around his back, and he 1:14:49.560 --> 1:14:54.479 was sitting there like frozen, you know, talking giving a 1:14:54.560 --> 1:14:58.320 part interview. And I'm coming out of you know, in college, 1:14:58.640 --> 1:15:01.080 I don't the only thing I have ices in in 1:15:01.200 --> 1:15:05.240 my in my gatorade. You know, you don't do all yo. 1:15:05.360 --> 1:15:08.519 You don't think you're like man I so far? Oh 1:15:08.960 --> 1:15:12.679 hen about four years and you realize like I looked. 1:15:12.760 --> 1:15:16.720 I looked at the ice punge bathtub yesterday, just just 1:15:16.960 --> 1:15:19.040 just to be out there. What are you gonna give 1:15:19.080 --> 1:15:20.920 him the hot I was sitting in that cold water 1:15:21.000 --> 1:15:24.320 all day right now, How different rest his soul? How 1:15:24.479 --> 1:15:29.519 different would the Celtics have been if Lynn Bias had lived? Yeah, 1:15:30.360 --> 1:15:32.559 that was my man' I was cau you played against 1:15:32.600 --> 1:15:34.760 him in college. Right. I've been with Lenn since we 1:15:34.800 --> 1:15:39.080 were fifteen. We meet Johnny Dawkins and Lenny Bias. We're 1:15:39.160 --> 1:15:41.880 all gonna go to the same school, Okay, Instead we 1:15:41.960 --> 1:15:45.000 all went to the same conference because Johnny went to Duke, 1:15:45.320 --> 1:15:47.720 you went to Tech. He went to Maryland. And this 1:15:47.880 --> 1:15:49.960 is why, because we were all gonna go to Maryland. Okay, 1:15:50.280 --> 1:15:54.000 But Lefty really only won it Lenny, Okay, he was like, 1:15:54.120 --> 1:15:55.960 y'all ain't as good as the guys. I got around 1:15:56.000 --> 1:15:57.760 here and told me I was gonna have to go 1:15:57.880 --> 1:16:00.280 behind it, and Johnny wanted to start, and I wanted 1:16:00.280 --> 1:16:05.320 to start right, so I those are promises. Lenny was 1:16:06.840 --> 1:16:13.200 literally the business. And and they said what would have 1:16:13.240 --> 1:16:15.920 happened with him coming in against Michael was funny? He 1:16:15.960 --> 1:16:18.240 would have been it would have been different. But then 1:16:18.280 --> 1:16:20.680 I started paying attention. Where was Lenny go on to 1:16:20.720 --> 1:16:25.559 play on the Celtics? That that that once I got 1:16:25.640 --> 1:16:28.720 to that part and started seeing it, DJ, it was 1:16:28.760 --> 1:16:32.200 already corn bread and and McCay going up. So that's 1:16:32.240 --> 1:16:35.320 power for it. Right. Larry's playing small for it, and 1:16:35.439 --> 1:16:38.680 he refuses to take any time off it was just 1:16:39.280 --> 1:16:42.080 it would have been a hard, hard transition. They could 1:16:42.120 --> 1:16:45.240 put it, they could pull leaning at the two. Yeah, 1:16:48.160 --> 1:16:53.759 but I'm telling you he was unbelievable the ACC conference 1:16:53.800 --> 1:16:55.800 all the time. Yeah, you knew he was the real deal. 1:16:55.880 --> 1:16:57.800 We went, we were camp Billy it was a guy 1:16:57.840 --> 1:17:01.240 named Billy Thompson play for the Lakers too. He was, yeah, 1:17:01.439 --> 1:17:05.360 number one pick, and uh, We're in camp at five 1:17:05.400 --> 1:17:08.439 star basketball camp. And then I come to Lenny. I 1:17:08.479 --> 1:17:10.599 said he had cut. I said, man, what happened? They said, 1:17:10.600 --> 1:17:12.800 they said you had you had to go into town. 1:17:13.160 --> 1:17:15.920 He said, I took the times in the town first, 1:17:16.880 --> 1:17:19.640 like he said, gave him numbers, and then he hit 1:17:19.720 --> 1:17:21.160 me in the side of my head side, so I 1:17:21.240 --> 1:17:24.360 had to get stitches. He's like, number one pick, like 1:17:24.560 --> 1:17:27.160 that's all he had in his brain. Right. Yeah, he was. 1:17:27.640 --> 1:17:29.599 He was in touch. He was a good brother, man, 1:17:29.920 --> 1:17:34.839 good brother. So you talk about the bad boy Pistons 1:17:34.880 --> 1:17:37.400 and how you guys played Michael and you know, they 1:17:37.479 --> 1:17:39.200 wrote a book. Stand Smith wrote a book, and I 1:17:39.240 --> 1:17:41.160 guess he got some commentary from you and some of 1:17:41.200 --> 1:17:46.040 the other Pistons. What was Chuck Daily rest his soul? 1:17:46.400 --> 1:17:49.280 What was his philosophy? How did you like this? You 1:17:49.479 --> 1:17:53.160 know what is not doing this today against us? Oh? 1:17:54.000 --> 1:17:58.719 When I was Joe, Joe Dumars other but with Chuck 1:17:59.040 --> 1:18:03.800 and and Isaiah and Bill and Joe Dumars and them, 1:18:03.800 --> 1:18:06.839 they would just sit around. And Chuck's assistant Ronnie Rothstein 1:18:07.600 --> 1:18:12.880 at one time, Karl Malone, I mean Coach Malone and 1:18:13.160 --> 1:18:19.120 uh Kar Malone and Brendan Sir. They just figured, if 1:18:19.160 --> 1:18:24.160 you watch enough film, he passed about one percent bought 1:18:24.160 --> 1:18:29.320 than Kobe. And we know Kobe didn't pass, so we 1:18:29.479 --> 1:18:32.599 knew that if he started going downhill toward the basket, 1:18:32.680 --> 1:18:36.000 he was not gonna find an open man. He's not 1:18:36.120 --> 1:18:39.840 gonna because he didn't trust him. Right. So if he's 1:18:39.920 --> 1:18:42.920 dribbling with his left hand, keep keep him dribbling, keep 1:18:43.000 --> 1:18:44.400 him going that way. And then as soon as he 1:18:44.439 --> 1:18:47.600 puts his right hand on it, Joe gets back in 1:18:47.680 --> 1:18:50.680 front of him. Everybody get back to your man, and 1:18:50.720 --> 1:18:53.200 if he can shoot over Joe good. But it was 1:18:53.320 --> 1:18:55.720 that mentality. Everybody thought we were supposed to hit him. 1:18:56.000 --> 1:18:58.559 He wasn't supposed to hit him. The deal is inside 1:18:58.640 --> 1:19:03.120 the lane. When men played in the NBA, you you 1:19:04.840 --> 1:19:06.360 me and play. Oh, they don't play that style of 1:19:06.400 --> 1:19:11.480 mall anymore. Oh no, it's detrimental to the to the broadcast. 1:19:12.000 --> 1:19:16.840 But when when you run into that situation when somebody 1:19:16.920 --> 1:19:19.280 comes in the lane, everybody knew you got hit when 1:19:19.280 --> 1:19:21.880 you went in the lange. Yes, that was that was 1:19:22.080 --> 1:19:24.760 just the way the game was played, and the and 1:19:24.880 --> 1:19:28.759 the really the Celtics were the dirty words. We were 1:19:28.880 --> 1:19:32.200 not dirty. They called us bad boys, but we were dirty. 1:19:32.880 --> 1:19:37.320 I don't think so, Yo say y'all were dirty. I 1:19:37.400 --> 1:19:39.560 mean the way y'all didn't come on man, man, you 1:19:40.360 --> 1:19:44.080 bird go up up it. Lamb Beer had no intention 1:19:44.240 --> 1:19:46.320 whatsoever blocking the shot. The man went up and he 1:19:46.400 --> 1:19:49.080 come out on the man head. If we if I 1:19:49.479 --> 1:19:51.960 know this is a podcast, so we can't afford the footage, 1:19:52.000 --> 1:19:55.840 but listen. If you see goes up, Dennis Robin's leg 1:19:56.080 --> 1:20:01.360 gets caught and he's fallen, which pulls Larry down, which 1:20:01.439 --> 1:20:05.080 pulls Bill down. And Bill thought, Larry, I mean Larry 1:20:05.160 --> 1:20:07.600 thought Bill had done that. And think about it. He 1:20:07.720 --> 1:20:09.680 punches them two times in the face and throws the 1:20:09.760 --> 1:20:12.439 ball at him, and the ref goes, Larry, Larry, here's 1:20:12.439 --> 1:20:14.680 another ball, Throw another ball out of it. You know 1:20:14.720 --> 1:20:18.519 what I'm saying it's playing against him and Magic. You 1:20:18.640 --> 1:20:21.599 had too many, too many people, But I think they 1:20:21.640 --> 1:20:24.479 were the bad ones. And this is the deal. You 1:20:25.520 --> 1:20:28.240 look at the muscles, right, I played against football players, 1:20:28.600 --> 1:20:31.240 Oh yeah all the time because they thought, yeah, if 1:20:31.240 --> 1:20:33.439 we played basketball, stage shape and we're gonna run your 1:20:33.479 --> 1:20:36.639 skinny ass over. So I didn't see it the way 1:20:36.680 --> 1:20:38.679 everybody else. You get out of the way of people 1:20:38.960 --> 1:20:42.360 trying to do that. You use your athleticism there as 1:20:42.479 --> 1:20:45.240 much has been made, I don't care what anybody sins. 1:20:45.800 --> 1:20:48.320 Isaiah Thomas should have been on that ninety two dream team. 1:20:48.400 --> 1:20:56.000 I say so too, But where Stocking stop? I listen 1:20:56.720 --> 1:21:00.680 you talking to the number one Isaiah defender. I think 1:21:00.680 --> 1:21:05.720 I lost jobs defended as that. Oh look when when 1:21:05.800 --> 1:21:09.120 you guys like, okay, all the time that you guys 1:21:09.160 --> 1:21:13.479 had beaten Michael. Michael was gracious enough in defeat to 1:21:13.560 --> 1:21:16.560 shake everybody's hand. But what I told well, but what 1:21:16.680 --> 1:21:19.880 I told people, it wasn't Isaiah that started. It was 1:21:19.920 --> 1:21:22.600 the Celtics. That's right. They actually did not shake you 1:21:22.720 --> 1:21:25.400 guys head when you finally meat nel they left the court. 1:21:25.560 --> 1:21:27.559 Go back and look at that footage. Yeah, but they 1:21:27.600 --> 1:21:31.519 don't this once again. No one wants to hear the truth, 1:21:31.720 --> 1:21:34.679 like the truth, the truth. I wan't enough to remember 1:21:34.680 --> 1:21:37.439 I saw it. The truth messes up the story. So 1:21:38.640 --> 1:21:40.920 I tell you this, though I knew it was a 1:21:41.000 --> 1:21:45.400 bad idea, but Bill Lambill said, hey, let's hand it 1:21:45.439 --> 1:21:47.320 to him like they handed out something. I gotta give 1:21:47.360 --> 1:21:50.240 it to Bill. That's the way it had to be. 1:21:50.960 --> 1:21:53.560 And and you know what, I'm on a on a 1:21:53.840 --> 1:21:56.360 team chat with the Pistons. I'm not rid of any 1:21:56.439 --> 1:22:01.479 other players because we still had this like you know, 1:22:01.920 --> 1:22:04.759 we ride together, we die together type that. Do you believe? 1:22:05.880 --> 1:22:09.640 Do you believe? That's the reason why Isaiah wasn't on 1:22:09.760 --> 1:22:13.560 the Dream Team was because he didn't shake Scotty and 1:22:13.720 --> 1:22:17.360 Michael in the guy's hands. And that because they keep saying, well, 1:22:17.400 --> 1:22:19.639 it wasn't Michael. It seemed to me and that fault 1:22:19.680 --> 1:22:22.400 called it. Michael made it abundantly clear. Yeah I'm gonna play, 1:22:22.640 --> 1:22:26.799 but such and such can't play. But Michael didn't say it. Remember, 1:22:28.160 --> 1:22:32.000 I think in Magic's documentary he said he had something. 1:22:32.280 --> 1:22:35.639 He did it. I tell you this, Why would Magic 1:22:35.720 --> 1:22:37.840 do that? Magic beat? No? No, I didn't, I didn't. 1:22:38.720 --> 1:22:43.759 All of it was total misunderstanding, and I know Michael 1:22:43.800 --> 1:22:49.200 didn't say it. And this is why everybody loves Isaiah's game, 1:22:49.680 --> 1:22:54.080 right everybody. So I don't I don't think that they 1:22:54.160 --> 1:22:58.760 were plays. I think Magic was talking about when he 1:22:58.920 --> 1:23:01.960 was he and I Zia wasn't talking and that kind 1:23:02.000 --> 1:23:04.759 of thing. I don't know if that was the idea 1:23:05.360 --> 1:23:08.960 and if they could use that Larry Bird magic, you 1:23:09.040 --> 1:23:11.840 know Isaiah thing, they could, But let me tell you, 1:23:12.640 --> 1:23:16.479 I've looked at the squad. Isaiah would have outshine. He 1:23:16.720 --> 1:23:21.080 was short, He had to smile that he was going 1:23:21.120 --> 1:23:24.120 to have the ball this time. As far as haling 1:23:24.200 --> 1:23:26.400 the rock right, he was gonna have They in the 1:23:26.600 --> 1:23:30.240 NBA had to sell the new team they had. The 1:23:30.360 --> 1:23:33.840 new team was Karl Malone and John Stockton to the 1:23:33.920 --> 1:23:37.880 point where you know, God rest his soul. David Stern didn't. 1:23:37.960 --> 1:23:41.479 When we want our checking championship, Rod Thorne gave us 1:23:41.520 --> 1:23:45.720 our rings because David had to be in China with 1:23:47.120 --> 1:23:52.160 with Utah Jazz. Like it was. It was bigger than 1:23:52.360 --> 1:23:56.479 what we knew it was about. And I think that's 1:23:56.560 --> 1:23:58.880 why they did it that way. You were the glue 1:23:58.920 --> 1:24:01.559 gut on a lot of teams. Yeah, kept the locker 1:24:01.680 --> 1:24:05.040 room together. You kept the locker room loose. Role players 1:24:05.080 --> 1:24:08.120 are very, very important. Obviously, the stars get all the credit, rightfully, 1:24:08.160 --> 1:24:10.840 so they do the lion's share of the lifting. They 1:24:10.920 --> 1:24:13.120 get lion's share of the blame when things doesn't go well, 1:24:13.160 --> 1:24:14.840 they get lion's share of the credit when things do 1:24:14.960 --> 1:24:17.680 go well. But if the guys like yourself, I was, 1:24:18.080 --> 1:24:21.160 I was a little better star. I was a little 1:24:21.160 --> 1:24:22.960 but but I was a guy that kept the things going. 1:24:23.000 --> 1:24:24.439 I was a gate keeper. Was the guy that kept 1:24:24.439 --> 1:24:26.640 the guys lose, kept the guys laughing, and but make 1:24:26.680 --> 1:24:28.960 sure everybody was where they supposed to be and how 1:24:29.000 --> 1:24:31.080 they were supposed to do it. How important do you 1:24:31.200 --> 1:24:33.640 think your role was in the success that you had 1:24:33.720 --> 1:24:38.800 on every team? Detroit, Chicago, La. Oh it was, and 1:24:39.160 --> 1:24:42.640 don't oversee it. Priceless. Don't oversee it. The reason I 1:24:42.760 --> 1:24:46.640 tell you it's priceless is, you know, I didn't know 1:24:46.800 --> 1:24:52.040 what mental health was, right. I just thought I was crazy, right, 1:24:52.280 --> 1:25:00.720 you know, and adventurous, And so I had guys like 1:25:00.800 --> 1:25:04.080 Willie Burton, who is now a part of the NBA 1:25:04.240 --> 1:25:09.400 Player Association Retired Players mental health situations. I had Glenn Rice, 1:25:10.000 --> 1:25:14.160 who from Flint, Michigan was so laid back and pulled back, 1:25:14.840 --> 1:25:18.000 and and you know, we would go to the movies 1:25:18.680 --> 1:25:20.800 because you know, he didn't he didn't want to be 1:25:20.880 --> 1:25:23.560 around no girls. He was married with kids, and he 1:25:23.600 --> 1:25:25.880 didn't want to He wanted to go to movies. We 1:25:26.080 --> 1:25:28.759 would go to the movies. Do you know we in Houston, 1:25:30.400 --> 1:25:32.600 you know, do you know what goes on? You know? 1:25:32.760 --> 1:25:37.080 So I was around some guys and I got it. 1:25:37.120 --> 1:25:40.240 I remember Devin George had come in and he's older 1:25:40.280 --> 1:25:43.680 than Kobe, and Kobe's Kobe's rookie, and you know, I 1:25:43.760 --> 1:25:45.920 was like, hey, I can do something with you. Yeah, 1:25:46.080 --> 1:25:48.840 And I took him to a place and we got 1:25:48.920 --> 1:25:53.080 a facial and he was like, what yeah, well those 1:25:53.160 --> 1:25:58.400 black bumps are not freckles. I was saying, like, there's 1:25:58.520 --> 1:26:00.840 teaching things you have to do to bring guys in. 1:26:01.000 --> 1:26:04.559 There's times where hey, yo, man, let's go to the movies. 1:26:05.120 --> 1:26:10.040 Seven of us, not to strip joint. Let's go, let's 1:26:10.080 --> 1:26:13.439 go eat nine of us, which is never a pro 1:26:13.640 --> 1:26:19.920 team going to eat and laughing and giggling and going. 1:26:20.040 --> 1:26:22.240 Like when I was on the Lakers, we won nineteenth 1:26:22.320 --> 1:26:25.200 straight and then we would try it again and we 1:26:25.280 --> 1:26:30.759 were doing yoga on Wednesdays and like just being around 1:26:30.880 --> 1:26:35.000 people and caring for that person, knowing that you know 1:26:35.520 --> 1:26:37.160 what they said in a few good men, would you 1:26:37.240 --> 1:26:39.160 put your life on the line and expect him to 1:26:39.240 --> 1:26:41.920 do the same for you that that that takes, that 1:26:42.080 --> 1:26:45.400 takes something You're gonna You're gonna be the star gets 1:26:45.560 --> 1:26:49.080 all of the credit and all of the blame. Right, 1:26:49.160 --> 1:26:52.719 he gets to take the last shot, Thank god, because 1:26:52.760 --> 1:26:55.360 if you take the last shot, they'd be like, why 1:26:55.360 --> 1:26:57.080 are you to throw the ball to here? You know, 1:26:57.280 --> 1:27:02.320 so that's they have the of all of the weight 1:27:02.439 --> 1:27:06.160 of everything. So somebody gotta be able to helped him out. 1:27:06.520 --> 1:27:09.519 You have to have a robin to batman. How are 1:27:09.560 --> 1:27:11.240 you able to get the uh? How are you able 1:27:11.240 --> 1:27:13.120 to audition for Bad Boys? And I heard you only 1:27:13.200 --> 1:27:16.960 received seven hundred bucks. I had last I didn't even audition. 1:27:17.280 --> 1:27:19.120 I went in and I pissed Martin off because I 1:27:19.160 --> 1:27:20.759 went there. He was in town, he was in Miami, 1:27:21.240 --> 1:27:23.840 and he introduced me to his new fiance and I 1:27:23.960 --> 1:27:26.000 was like, hey, how are you doing? Oh she fine, 1:27:26.200 --> 1:27:29.280 dash fine, you got a pre nup. Martin was mad. 1:27:29.920 --> 1:27:32.599 We get up and we walk into you no. He's like, man, 1:27:32.600 --> 1:27:34.000 why are you through that in front of my girl 1:27:34.080 --> 1:27:36.720 and all my friends? Like what you're doing? Man? You 1:27:36.800 --> 1:27:39.000 know you sound man? You gotta you gotta get you 1:27:39.000 --> 1:27:41.639 gotta get a filter. And I was like, get a filter, 1:27:42.120 --> 1:27:49.000 like you better get a pre dup. And he did 1:27:49.280 --> 1:27:51.519 and he thanked me, and he thanked me. So I 1:27:51.600 --> 1:27:55.040 get in and he's mad at me, and I'm like, sorry, man, 1:27:55.120 --> 1:27:56.760 but you know how I am man. You know she'd 1:27:56.800 --> 1:28:00.120 be okay, get a pre nup and and I went 1:28:00.200 --> 1:28:03.280 upstairs and Michael Bay had directed my Nike commercial, heard 1:28:03.320 --> 1:28:05.840 him yelling and screaming, and he asked me, was I sag? 1:28:05.960 --> 1:28:08.080 And I was like, yeah, I sag. You know whatever 1:28:08.160 --> 1:28:12.400 that is? You know what I'm saying. And I had 1:28:12.760 --> 1:28:14.799 literally was a part of sad because I did commercials 1:28:14.840 --> 1:28:16.960 in Detroit with Chrysler, but I didn't know what that was. 1:28:17.600 --> 1:28:20.679 So he gets me in and then it's four hundred 1:28:20.720 --> 1:28:24.840 and four hundred and seventy six dollars and I don't 1:28:24.880 --> 1:28:27.200 even get it because it goes to my sag. Dudes. 1:28:27.720 --> 1:28:29.840 But I was just happy to be in a movie. 1:28:29.880 --> 1:28:31.640 I had been prepared my whole life to be an 1:28:31.640 --> 1:28:33.679 actor that your first movie. You were in the first movie. 1:28:33.760 --> 1:28:36.519 But I my whole life, I was preparing to be 1:28:36.560 --> 1:28:39.840 an actor. I had. I kept saying my daughter, Taya, 1:28:39.880 --> 1:28:41.640 who's nineteen, what are you going to take? If you 1:28:41.640 --> 1:28:42.960 want to be an actor? Why not? I wanted to 1:28:43.000 --> 1:28:45.760 be a doctor. I wanted to be a doctor. Did 1:28:45.840 --> 1:28:47.439 you actually know what you wanted to be when you 1:28:47.520 --> 1:28:52.200 grown up? Which one are your first? Okay? Want to 1:28:52.200 --> 1:28:54.280 be a doctor. I wanted to be a doctor. Okay. 1:28:54.439 --> 1:28:57.960 And then I went into the hospital. It was funny. 1:28:58.080 --> 1:29:01.160 One job Mark Price and I had in summer was 1:29:01.360 --> 1:29:06.000 to go and make sure that this cabin that there's 1:29:06.040 --> 1:29:09.000 a huge cabinet. This guy had was okay, that was 1:29:09.040 --> 1:29:12.120 our job. In other words, go hang out for the weekend. 1:29:12.680 --> 1:29:14.880 And he was a radiologist, and I go, what do 1:29:14.960 --> 1:29:17.360 you do? And he goes, oh, you know X rays 1:29:17.479 --> 1:29:21.240 and MRIs and and we got radiology and all that 1:29:21.400 --> 1:29:23.439 different machine. How much you make, Oh, I make two 1:29:23.479 --> 1:29:26.960 thousand dollars an hour. It's nineteen ninety four, eighty four. 1:29:27.640 --> 1:29:31.840 So I automatically wanted to be yea, yeah, I wanted 1:29:31.960 --> 1:29:34.360 that's my job like this, and you're not an athlete. 1:29:35.040 --> 1:29:37.800 That's exactly what I said, like, I'm coming in your joint. 1:29:38.280 --> 1:29:40.240 So I wanted to do that. But then I went 1:29:40.320 --> 1:29:44.120 to Georgia Tech in business and uh, then I went 1:29:44.200 --> 1:29:46.920 into architecture at Georgia Tech. Then I got out of that, 1:29:47.240 --> 1:29:52.320 finished with the business degree, and I'm constantly learning. Bro 1:29:52.400 --> 1:29:54.800 I was in Egypt for eleven days. I'm about to 1:29:54.880 --> 1:29:58.840 go to Belize for eleven days. I was in Costa 1:29:58.920 --> 1:30:02.439 Rica for twenty eight days. I mean, when you these places, so, 1:30:02.520 --> 1:30:03.960 what are you doing? Is they're like a retreat or 1:30:04.000 --> 1:30:06.479 you like the holistic? I mean, what are you you? 1:30:06.600 --> 1:30:09.080 You you're finding who John Sally is? Oh, it's a 1:30:09.200 --> 1:30:14.600 traveling I say, I was gonna do a job. I 1:30:14.840 --> 1:30:18.320 literally go to find out true. So like so, I'm 1:30:18.360 --> 1:30:23.599 a certified health coach Vegan. I can prescribe or literally 1:30:23.720 --> 1:30:26.080 know what herbs work on certain parts of your body. 1:30:27.240 --> 1:30:32.599 I I'm I do yoga, I breathe, I understand things. 1:30:32.680 --> 1:30:35.439 I'm gonna hope you're breathing. Yeah man, yeah, I don't 1:30:35.439 --> 1:30:39.360 know pr yeah yeah, but I know how to try 1:30:39.360 --> 1:30:42.000 to extend my life. That's if you ask me what 1:30:42.080 --> 1:30:44.160 I'm trying to do. I'm trying to extend my hollow 1:30:44.200 --> 1:30:47.679 you want to live. My mother lived in ninety six, 1:30:47.920 --> 1:30:50.040 and I just went to the funeral of a friend, Jack, 1:30:50.080 --> 1:30:53.320 who lived in ninety eight. My uncle just turned ninety 1:30:53.360 --> 1:30:55.120 four a couple of weeks ago. Why you want to 1:30:55.160 --> 1:30:58.439 live at Longe just so I can outlive it. You 1:30:58.520 --> 1:30:59.840 want to be brag you want to brag it right, 1:30:59.920 --> 1:31:01.640 I live along the hill. I live like it when 1:31:01.680 --> 1:31:03.160 I get back, and then when I get to the 1:31:03.200 --> 1:31:05.280 other side, they'd be like, you stupid boy. We was 1:31:05.320 --> 1:31:11.280 over here chilling with all these girls. I don't know, man, 1:31:11.320 --> 1:31:15.479 I think I wanna I love life. And I went 1:31:15.600 --> 1:31:18.240 to h Sri Lanka. I told my daughter this in 1:31:18.320 --> 1:31:21.400 twenty seventeen. I was in Saint Martin and she and 1:31:21.479 --> 1:31:26.000 I were sitting on the patio looking at this beautiful place, 1:31:26.640 --> 1:31:31.560 smoking a Dubie abduced is twenty two, and I said this, 1:31:31.880 --> 1:31:33.680 You're never gonna see this again. Because they said the 1:31:33.760 --> 1:31:36.080 hurricane was coming. I said, this is about I said, 1:31:36.120 --> 1:31:37.880 they don't really. I said, this is gonna be really big. 1:31:38.240 --> 1:31:40.559 We're on the last flight out of Saint Martin before 1:31:40.640 --> 1:31:43.960 it destroys the place. And then she and I go 1:31:44.080 --> 1:31:46.680 to Sri Lanka and we're there for eleven days, and 1:31:46.720 --> 1:31:51.760 I'm thinking this is way better than when I was 1:31:51.920 --> 1:31:54.599 visiting the India. Now you can't go to Sri Lanka. 1:31:54.720 --> 1:31:57.160 So life is fleeting, bro, and I just like to 1:31:57.760 --> 1:32:00.680 I love it and I try to keep it going. 1:32:00.840 --> 1:32:02.920 You look at Martin and do you like Willis Mill 1:32:02.960 --> 1:32:04.760 did Chris rock when you talked about that, talked about it, 1:32:04.800 --> 1:32:06.599 talk about get the pre nub. That's been really sad. 1:32:06.960 --> 1:32:10.880 I would uh, It's so funny. When I watched you 1:32:11.120 --> 1:32:13.439 and you said you wish he wouldn't hit you, you 1:32:13.479 --> 1:32:18.760 would have responded, Man, at what at what place? At what? 1:32:18.960 --> 1:32:22.720 At what have you ever been? A black man can 1:32:22.800 --> 1:32:24.960 slap another black man? He just like and carry over. 1:32:26.560 --> 1:32:29.519 I don't even want to answer that. But I feel 1:32:29.600 --> 1:32:34.240 Chris did the complete right thing. Yeah, Chris, Chris did. 1:32:34.840 --> 1:32:37.439 Chris did not me, and I'm gonna do the wrong thing. 1:32:37.479 --> 1:32:41.479 I'm gonna whip his ass, I know. But then you 1:32:41.600 --> 1:32:44.240 know he had on his good shoes. You missed one slip, 1:32:45.720 --> 1:32:48.080 then you're embarrassing. But that probably about mean. Look, I 1:32:48.200 --> 1:32:50.320 get people go through a lot of things, and people 1:32:50.400 --> 1:32:52.120 he probably got a lot of stuff on his mind 1:32:52.200 --> 1:32:54.479 and stuff like that. I get it. I get it. 1:32:54.640 --> 1:32:56.479 We all got stuff. We all got stuff that you know. 1:32:56.680 --> 1:32:58.360 Man Hey said it, if he wouldn't hit you, you 1:32:59.479 --> 1:33:03.720 wouldn't you have you able to grab him? And said, bruh, Well, 1:33:03.760 --> 1:33:06.479 first of all, when you say you here's the thing, Sally, 1:33:06.600 --> 1:33:09.640 you know, don't lean forward when somebody no, no, if 1:33:09.640 --> 1:33:11.640 you you making a joke and you see somebody get 1:33:11.720 --> 1:33:13.880 up and walk from a distance and they start, I've 1:33:13.880 --> 1:33:18.040 already thought, okay, he gonna hit me, so there's no 1:33:18.160 --> 1:33:21.000 other thing. He ain't gonna whispering in my ear. Nah nah, 1:33:21.479 --> 1:33:23.840 But you let the man walk up on you. We 1:33:24.040 --> 1:33:27.040 just said walk upon you. White food got a big 1:33:27.080 --> 1:33:33.599 eye right now. So I don't know you, but Shatton 1:33:33.680 --> 1:33:36.240 is making me make those jokes. You you acted with 1:33:36.280 --> 1:33:40.200 Whoopie Goldberg, she got a movie coming out teal By 1:33:40.240 --> 1:33:43.920 the Imatial Store, Kevin Harts and No Lathan. Who haven't 1:33:43.960 --> 1:33:45.880 you worked with that you would like to work with? 1:33:46.360 --> 1:33:51.519 Kill shot shot? I think it would be funny. Yeah, yeah, 1:33:51.600 --> 1:33:54.320 you think us two big tall people. I did a 1:33:54.400 --> 1:33:56.519 movie called The Ultimate Christmas Present when I was a 1:33:56.560 --> 1:33:59.160 seventh foot elf and I thought it was funny, right, 1:33:59.280 --> 1:34:02.680 And I think because you know, I just think it 1:34:02.720 --> 1:34:04.840 would be a funny thing. If I was one actor 1:34:04.960 --> 1:34:09.720 I could work with, it would be The Rock or 1:34:09.840 --> 1:34:14.600 Kevin Hard because they get movies made right. And to 1:34:14.720 --> 1:34:17.240 the point where The rockets a movie. I think he 1:34:17.360 --> 1:34:19.719 got four movies a year for the next five years. 1:34:19.840 --> 1:34:22.880 Like this cat gets movies made. When they say, hey, 1:34:23.000 --> 1:34:24.880 this is what we're gonna do and they sign off, 1:34:25.240 --> 1:34:29.559 they make that movie, right. So that's somebody I would love. 1:34:30.080 --> 1:34:33.400 I mean, they have that kind of work load. Yeah, yeah, 1:34:33.439 --> 1:34:36.760 it's it's busy, but if that's what you want to do. Like, 1:34:36.880 --> 1:34:40.320 I never ever had practice. Everybody was like, man, you 1:34:40.400 --> 1:34:43.400 went to practice. I never had practice, right, I was 1:34:43.479 --> 1:34:45.280 gonna do that whether I was at practice or not. 1:34:45.760 --> 1:34:48.280 I was gonna play and try to try to dog somebody. 1:34:48.800 --> 1:34:52.320 So I love doing what I do. I've never had it. 1:34:53.240 --> 1:34:57.920 You're you're great friends with Eddie Murphy. Mike Tyson used 1:34:57.960 --> 1:35:00.360 to I used to hang when I came my head 1:35:00.400 --> 1:35:04.240 with Eddie. Wasn't Eddy like because he seemed like he 1:35:04.640 --> 1:35:08.000 real quiet, he real like like he's so funny. Yeah 1:35:09.160 --> 1:35:11.360 he's quiet and it's funny you do something? Is he 1:35:11.520 --> 1:35:13.400 like that? I know what he's like on stage? I 1:35:13.479 --> 1:35:15.880 know what he's like on camera, but sometimes when people 1:35:15.920 --> 1:35:18.120 are off camera, they're not on stage, they're not like 1:35:18.320 --> 1:35:20.920 what they are on stage. Your own camera. How is 1:35:20.960 --> 1:35:24.200 he when he's Eddie Murphy but they're no there's no 1:35:24.320 --> 1:35:26.120 cameras around, just him hanging out with this home. Oh 1:35:26.200 --> 1:35:29.280 he was calm, laid back. I took Isaiah to his house, right, 1:35:30.000 --> 1:35:32.000 So I said, Yo, you gotta you gotta come over 1:35:32.040 --> 1:35:35.639 here at me. Eddie Man so me and Billy Diamond, 1:35:36.000 --> 1:35:37.920 so we get it was the first time I meet 1:35:38.000 --> 1:35:41.400 Heavy D, Heavy D and I became best friends instantly, right, 1:35:42.600 --> 1:35:45.640 and so Heavy's over there and he looks at and 1:35:45.960 --> 1:35:48.400 he goes, you're not that much taller than me. He goes, 1:35:49.479 --> 1:35:53.360 come on. He puts chess and Isaiah looked at me 1:35:53.439 --> 1:35:59.320 and ahead Eddie beats him in three moves. Isaiah looks 1:35:59.320 --> 1:36:00.920 at me. I said, man, you better cut that out. 1:36:01.200 --> 1:36:04.439 Put him back. And now Isaiah gets his competitive way 1:36:04.479 --> 1:36:07.160 he is. He said, Uh, what else I aint gonna 1:36:07.160 --> 1:36:09.320 play in basketball? I got a bowling alley. Let's go. 1:36:09.600 --> 1:36:12.400 I got a pool. I gotta I gotta table. I 1:36:12.439 --> 1:36:15.879 got a pool table. Let's go. You got dice. Isaiah 1:36:16.080 --> 1:36:19.519 was on it instantly like I ain't letting you beat me, bro. 1:36:19.720 --> 1:36:21.960 So that was you know, if they would have had 1:36:22.080 --> 1:36:23.760 paper and pen, it would have been tik tac toe. 1:36:24.920 --> 1:36:27.000 I loved that about Eddie and then Mike Man. Mike 1:36:27.160 --> 1:36:31.680 was so deep younger when he wasn't doing drugs and 1:36:32.439 --> 1:36:34.599 wasn't he was being pulled by all these different people. 1:36:35.160 --> 1:36:38.160 He was so young. It was so happening. But life was, 1:36:38.200 --> 1:36:40.479 like I said, it was moving so fast. You wake up, 1:36:40.520 --> 1:36:42.080 you in it. You wake up You're still in it. 1:36:42.200 --> 1:36:44.920 You wake up you in it. So but Mike has 1:36:44.960 --> 1:36:48.200 become an unbelievable philosophy. I went to see him in prison, 1:36:49.120 --> 1:36:50.760 did you Yeah? I was one of the people went 1:36:50.800 --> 1:36:53.320 to see him in prison. I'm gonna give you, but 1:36:53.439 --> 1:36:57.240 I'm gonna give CJ the picture so you can see it. 1:36:58.880 --> 1:37:02.760 How did up kid from New York end up in 1:37:02.880 --> 1:37:09.840 Atlanta at Georgia Tech? All right, very simple one. I 1:37:09.960 --> 1:37:17.639 had the grades. You know that player? Uh? I did 1:37:18.840 --> 1:37:22.920 I visit? You visit? I get on the plane, the 1:37:23.080 --> 1:37:26.320 Lanta Hawks get on. They in first class, and you know, 1:37:26.439 --> 1:37:29.040 I'm like anybody, I'm just staring at him. They get 1:37:29.120 --> 1:37:31.640 on the plane. I win number twenty. I want to 1:37:31.680 --> 1:37:33.960 wear number twenty two. John Jews right there. He don't 1:37:34.000 --> 1:37:36.439 even know that I know who he is. He ain't 1:37:36.439 --> 1:37:39.160 even carrying his bag. Some rookies carrying his bag. I'm like, oh, 1:37:39.240 --> 1:37:42.919 that's pimp. I get off. It was a black flight attendant. 1:37:43.200 --> 1:37:47.640 A guy with a red jacket met me. Black. We 1:37:47.800 --> 1:37:51.200 get downstairs. The coach picked me up, Coach Felton, he's white. 1:37:51.439 --> 1:37:53.640 The guy to grab my bag is black. I get 1:37:53.680 --> 1:37:55.880 out to the wich, called he's black. I get to 1:37:56.000 --> 1:38:01.320 the hotel downtown. The lady behind the cash and big 1:38:01.400 --> 1:38:04.439 beautiful places black. I get upstairs, called my mother, So 1:38:04.439 --> 1:38:07.360 I'm going to Georgia Tech. She goes, how's the school? 1:38:07.360 --> 1:38:09.320 I said, I don't know, but black people got jobs. 1:38:13.200 --> 1:38:15.400 That's how I ended up. And then they told me 1:38:16.000 --> 1:38:20.880 it was seventeen women and everyone man and twenty five 1:38:20.960 --> 1:38:25.240 women everyone straight man, So you straight. He and I 1:38:25.320 --> 1:38:29.840 went straight to Spellman, straight to eight Center, straight to 1:38:29.920 --> 1:38:32.559 the club, straight to the Magic City. I was straight. 1:38:32.640 --> 1:38:34.599 What was your favorite thing about Atlanta? What was your 1:38:34.640 --> 1:38:37.080 favorite thing? I mean, because New York is so different 1:38:37.080 --> 1:38:40.280 than Atlanta. I mean, Atlanta's Atlanta's grown so much, but 1:38:40.439 --> 1:38:43.240 it's the South. Yeah, what's your favorite thing about Atlanta? 1:38:43.280 --> 1:38:45.120 What's your favorite thing about the South? It's it's the 1:38:45.240 --> 1:38:48.160 Southern swag man. When I got there, I was part 1:38:48.200 --> 1:38:52.040 of that New York New wave nineteen eighty two. Right, 1:38:52.360 --> 1:38:54.920 So I'm walking with a keno and a big name 1:38:55.040 --> 1:38:57.920 plate with a chip tooth pumas on. You know what 1:38:57.920 --> 1:39:03.240 I'm saying, Like I hip hop is right about? Hip 1:39:03.280 --> 1:39:05.280 hop is nine years old when I get there, right, 1:39:05.600 --> 1:39:07.840 do you understand? So I'm part of that New York 1:39:07.960 --> 1:39:11.800 wave that hit Atlanta and started going to school at 1:39:11.840 --> 1:39:14.360 that joint. I'm with Spike. You know what I'm saying. 1:39:14.439 --> 1:39:19.600 I'm it's we we We're loving the simplicity. And I 1:39:19.680 --> 1:39:23.519 think it's a Cicada Bucks because if you've never heard them, 1:39:24.160 --> 1:39:26.439 once you go to Atlanta, you cannot hear it, and 1:39:26.520 --> 1:39:30.080 then if you leave, you look for it. So I 1:39:30.200 --> 1:39:32.880 think it's I think it's that rhythm in Atlanta and 1:39:33.360 --> 1:39:36.320 they just keep getting finer and find women that is 1:39:37.320 --> 1:39:40.639 finer and finer and finer every year. I think that's 1:39:40.680 --> 1:39:45.519 what it is in Atlanta. Dang the bb IL. What 1:39:45.720 --> 1:39:47.400 was your when you when you got your money? What 1:39:47.520 --> 1:39:55.719 was the first thing you bought. I didn't get the money. 1:39:57.000 --> 1:39:59.639 I did the worst deal. I didn't get a signing bonus. 1:40:00.479 --> 1:40:03.519 Who your agent? You know, David Folks and that and 1:40:03.600 --> 1:40:06.800 this is where it's where that he out of all. 1:40:07.240 --> 1:40:09.360 When I look back at it, I didn't get a 1:40:09.439 --> 1:40:12.200 sign of bonus. And I think about that, he goes 1:40:12.240 --> 1:40:14.080 you don't want to own. Oh, I didn't know what 1:40:14.160 --> 1:40:16.760 it was. What it was is they did a deal 1:40:16.840 --> 1:40:19.720 because Adrian Danley was now going to be in a 1:40:19.760 --> 1:40:22.200 piston and all that money went to a d and 1:40:22.200 --> 1:40:24.240 didn't give me a sign of bonus. So I was 1:40:24.320 --> 1:40:27.439 a sacrificial lab. They got, hey, we got this rookie, 1:40:27.560 --> 1:40:30.000 and you can take a D and on this piece, right, 1:40:31.160 --> 1:40:33.160 what's the best purchase you what's the best and the 1:40:33.200 --> 1:40:35.720 worst purchase you made? And you're in, you're playing. You 1:40:38.439 --> 1:40:40.519 didn't buy Mercedes because you know, you know, I got 1:40:40.600 --> 1:40:45.000 a BMW black Man's wish I got. I love my 1:40:45.120 --> 1:40:48.880 BMW two, but got it. No, it was L seven. 1:40:48.960 --> 1:40:52.479 It was a brand new interior to it too. It 1:40:52.640 --> 1:40:57.439 was dope. But none of none of those things were 1:40:58.479 --> 1:41:02.360 smart or good to me. That's a ap a patphile 1:41:02.960 --> 1:41:09.240 ap okay. Vinnie Johnson had a partephile. It was seventy 1:41:09.280 --> 1:41:13.000 two hundred dollars and I could not believe in nineteen 1:41:13.120 --> 1:41:16.519 eighty six you paid seventy two just to tell Time 1:41:16.640 --> 1:41:22.160 what the watch is worth now probably a million. You 1:41:22.280 --> 1:41:26.760 understand what I'm saying. So I none of that. Those things, 1:41:26.880 --> 1:41:32.800 I think. I think the best thing I purchased was 1:41:32.920 --> 1:41:36.840 a home for my mother and father, and and I 1:41:36.960 --> 1:41:39.839 got my mom in the house and my dad a Lincoln, 1:41:40.520 --> 1:41:42.680 my favorite thing I've ever given him. He had this 1:41:42.880 --> 1:41:46.080 light blue Lincoln. It was half with the blue leather 1:41:46.200 --> 1:41:49.840 on the blue leather on the top, dark blue sun roof. 1:41:49.920 --> 1:41:53.760 They had to cut it in redo it these cushioned seats. Yeah, 1:41:53.800 --> 1:41:57.320 the christ Velo, you know he had. I had him spokes. 1:41:57.400 --> 1:42:01.320 I had him put the curb findings on it. Yeah. Man. 1:42:01.680 --> 1:42:03.840 He My brother showed up. He just kept looking at 1:42:03.880 --> 1:42:05.679 He says, yeah, Johnny said this for you. He drove 1:42:05.720 --> 1:42:08.240 it from Detroit. He may He called me. He said, boy, 1:42:08.280 --> 1:42:10.720 I love you, man, he said. My mother's like yeah, 1:42:10.720 --> 1:42:13.880 He's like all right, give me the keys. And I 1:42:13.920 --> 1:42:17.439 don't think they saw off for three days. That I 1:42:17.600 --> 1:42:21.040 was my favorite. My favorite purchase was getting my father 1:42:21.160 --> 1:42:26.640 his Lincoln, if you could. If Adam Silver asked you 1:42:26.760 --> 1:42:28.360 to come back and says, I want you to talk 1:42:28.360 --> 1:42:32.200 to the players about some of the pitfalls that could 1:42:32.240 --> 1:42:36.400 possibly happen to an NBA player, as far as women, finances, 1:42:36.479 --> 1:42:39.000 things of that nature. What are some of the things 1:42:39.040 --> 1:42:41.920 that you would tell today's players, I offered, because I 1:42:42.200 --> 1:42:45.599 went one time, when they do the the supposed mission, 1:42:46.360 --> 1:42:50.320 it's not it's not good because it became it became sponsored. 1:42:51.040 --> 1:42:54.479 So you can't tell them the truth. Bro, Yeah right, 1:42:54.560 --> 1:42:57.840 they don't want the truth, right, they want to they 1:42:57.880 --> 1:43:06.120 don't want the truth. I would bring in it sounds funny. 1:43:06.640 --> 1:43:13.559 I would bring in girls who lived a life who 1:43:15.160 --> 1:43:17.720 were on that side of tricking players and all that, 1:43:18.640 --> 1:43:23.560 and then I would I would literally bring in insurance 1:43:23.640 --> 1:43:28.000 people to explain how money works. That's it. If if, if, 1:43:28.240 --> 1:43:30.240 if I would have had I have a cool guy 1:43:30.320 --> 1:43:33.800 named dal Cohen. Dal Cohen looked out for me and 1:43:34.320 --> 1:43:37.599 been looking at me since two thousand and two. If 1:43:38.439 --> 1:43:41.439 if you don't have one of those cats like I 1:43:41.520 --> 1:43:44.559 don't think Kareem had one, but Will Chamberlin had three. 1:43:44.880 --> 1:43:48.760 Will Chamlin had three guys that would dinosaur for him. 1:43:49.800 --> 1:43:51.880 Is why he was in a good position, and it's 1:43:51.960 --> 1:43:54.639 kind of hard man. Somebody said, if I go to college, 1:43:54.680 --> 1:43:56.519 what are you going to major in? I say, finance. 1:43:57.920 --> 1:44:02.880 It's the only region you should get only degree. Well, 1:44:02.960 --> 1:44:07.519 remember I was smart, ye, so, and it wasn't that. 1:44:07.680 --> 1:44:10.840 I just have a photographic memory, so I would I 1:44:10.960 --> 1:44:13.559 remember what I saw. I never missed class either. I'm 1:44:13.600 --> 1:44:15.599 looking at your one of your original investments. You were 1:44:15.680 --> 1:44:18.680 one of the original investors and beyond me, don't be 1:44:18.800 --> 1:44:21.599 telling my business. And you invested back in two thousand 1:44:21.640 --> 1:44:24.439 and nine. Don't be knowing if I could have. And 1:44:24.560 --> 1:44:26.559 let me tell you you when you had invested more. 1:44:27.000 --> 1:44:30.880 Not only that, there was this this dude that had 1:44:31.000 --> 1:44:36.760 nahs was knowing about Uber and man, this model put 1:44:36.840 --> 1:44:39.599 me on almost set her name. This model in Toronto 1:44:39.680 --> 1:44:42.840 put me on Uber. And she goes, you hear about this? 1:44:42.960 --> 1:44:44.720 And I go no, And she goes watch this, and 1:44:44.800 --> 1:44:46.920 she picked up her phone and boom, boom boom. And 1:44:47.040 --> 1:44:50.599 we were sitting around and were eating and she goes, oh, yeah, 1:44:50.600 --> 1:44:53.439 they're here. I said, what do you mean. She goes, oh, 1:44:53.520 --> 1:44:56.559 this is called Uber and it's better than a taxi 1:44:57.040 --> 1:44:58.600 and it's this and it's this and it's this. I 1:44:58.640 --> 1:45:01.720 didn't know about investing it, but they let nads No. 1:45:03.320 --> 1:45:05.719 Kevin Durant supposed to be it's worth a billion dollars 1:45:06.479 --> 1:45:09.680 like this dude keeps he was invested in Postmates. I 1:45:10.520 --> 1:45:14.479 have an app called do You Tip? The literal dude 1:45:14.560 --> 1:45:16.680 the letter you Tip. And the reason I did that 1:45:17.160 --> 1:45:19.639 is I started paying attention to where the world is going. 1:45:20.520 --> 1:45:26.960 I bank at a famous celebrity bank in Encino, then 1:45:27.000 --> 1:45:30.000 not paying me, so I don't say the name. If 1:45:30.040 --> 1:45:32.040 you want sponsorship, you can know where to go to. 1:45:32.640 --> 1:45:36.080 And for fourteen years I've been going to this bank, right, 1:45:36.600 --> 1:45:39.360 and I always see this wonderful lady from Venezuela, and 1:45:39.439 --> 1:45:41.240 she got long hair. I always tell her how beautiful 1:45:41.240 --> 1:45:43.640 he has. Oh, mommy, you're looking great today. Thank you 1:45:44.080 --> 1:45:47.519 by being at the other day, I pulled out and 1:45:47.640 --> 1:45:50.960 it was a machine. Then it hit me. In two 1:45:51.040 --> 1:45:53.599 thousand and two, I was in Monte Carlo. I'm sorry, 1:45:53.720 --> 1:45:59.840 Portofino and what's in Italy? And I rent a car, 1:46:00.000 --> 1:46:01.600 I go up to the thing and there's nobody to 1:46:01.680 --> 1:46:04.680 hand my money too. And I got the ticket that 1:46:04.840 --> 1:46:08.320 blowing me, calling me names all kinds of stuff and Italian. 1:46:08.880 --> 1:46:11.080 You have to go back, put your card in and 1:46:11.160 --> 1:46:13.600 take your credit card, pay and then come back and 1:46:13.800 --> 1:46:17.080 leave me saying that to you now, I was like, yeah, 1:46:17.120 --> 1:46:19.240 that's how you do it, But in two thousand and two, 1:46:19.520 --> 1:46:22.320 that's not how we've done it in America. So they 1:46:22.800 --> 1:46:24.840 When I played in Greece in nineteen ninety six, I 1:46:24.920 --> 1:46:27.439 had a Eckerson phone. If I was thirsty and went 1:46:27.479 --> 1:46:29.400 to a Coca Cola machine, I would point it at 1:46:29.479 --> 1:46:32.599 it and push zero and that I would get a drink. 1:46:33.280 --> 1:46:36.719 So I think technology is moving. I'm in a company 1:46:36.760 --> 1:46:41.920 now called iken I k N and he's figured out 1:46:42.000 --> 1:46:45.320 how to literally make a holograph. He figured out how 1:46:45.360 --> 1:46:47.360 to bend light. We've been trying to bend light since 1:46:47.360 --> 1:46:50.120 the beginning of the time. I just now look at 1:46:50.240 --> 1:46:54.240 things that I say, what are we gonna need? Everything 1:46:54.360 --> 1:46:57.439 is going digital. So last night I was at a 1:46:57.560 --> 1:47:00.479 Swan bitcoin event. A Swan is a play you take 1:47:00.680 --> 1:47:04.040 bitcoin money into. I wound up getting a Blue Moon 1:47:04.360 --> 1:47:11.240 wallet because it's happening. Your money is going to be crypto. 1:47:12.040 --> 1:47:15.040 It's it's happening. Whether people want it to or not, 1:47:15.680 --> 1:47:21.040 it's happening. So it's kind of like integration. They didn't 1:47:21.040 --> 1:47:23.840 want it to happen, but it happened. No matter how 1:47:23.960 --> 1:47:26.800 much you booing, whatever, you gotta get your football team 1:47:26.840 --> 1:47:32.880 to win, integration has to happen, right anyway. That was 1:47:32.960 --> 1:47:37.680 for myself and those who know history. So all I 1:47:37.800 --> 1:47:41.080 do is look at technology. Where's it going? How's it going? 1:47:41.479 --> 1:47:43.240 How do I get in from the beginning of it? 1:47:44.760 --> 1:47:47.280 Don't worry. I got you shouting. I got I'm gonna 1:47:47.280 --> 1:47:49.599 have you, man, I'm gonna have you. I would be straight. 1:47:49.640 --> 1:47:52.160 I would be I want to go to Portofino to travel. 1:47:52.439 --> 1:47:54.560 You do, and let me tell you. I got the 1:47:54.600 --> 1:47:56.080 money to travel. I got the money to go down 1:47:56.120 --> 1:47:59.400 to en see Obedo, go to go to what's that? 1:48:00.280 --> 1:48:03.400 Do it the way I do it? You did invite it? Yeah, 1:48:03.439 --> 1:48:06.719 but I don't know about it's in fighting. Shoot shout 1:48:07.800 --> 1:48:10.120 Santa bar I go to I got Santa Barbara money. 1:48:10.840 --> 1:48:12.880 It's too cold for me. That's the kind of money 1:48:12.880 --> 1:48:15.479 I got. Malibu. Got money to go to Malibu. I 1:48:15.520 --> 1:48:17.960 gotbody to go to the Montown. I used to have 1:48:18.000 --> 1:48:20.840 money to go to Mali. But dig bait, have you 1:48:20.960 --> 1:48:25.679 ever have you ever been obviously in Malibu? No? Okay, 1:48:26.120 --> 1:48:31.479 So you've been to a noble No, say word, you 1:48:31.720 --> 1:48:33.800 never been to noble. I've never been to noble. You 1:48:34.000 --> 1:48:35.960 you're lying right now. Your nose is big, but it's 1:48:35.960 --> 1:48:40.599 getting bigger. I've never been a noble really no, Okay, 1:48:40.800 --> 1:48:44.080 above it is this bar lounge called Ivy. I got 1:48:44.360 --> 1:48:46.800 I got so I barely grill money. Ain't got noble money. 1:48:47.840 --> 1:48:50.560 I got no noble, which you said, Okay, we go 1:48:50.680 --> 1:48:57.240 there noble, that would I'd be saying, oh my god, 1:48:57.280 --> 1:48:59.880 I go in there and just laugh and I go, 1:49:00.000 --> 1:49:03.519 oh man, I couldn't afford her her injections. Yeah, let 1:49:03.600 --> 1:49:07.080 her little breast like you got forty thousand dollars brash 1:49:07.200 --> 1:49:09.559 right there. Who can't afford it? Now? See that's why 1:49:09.560 --> 1:49:14.880 I say I can't go there. Yeah, too bad for you, Sally. 1:49:15.400 --> 1:49:18.200 I appreciate it. Bro, keep representing us to make you 1:49:18.280 --> 1:49:21.400 look thank you. Definitely. All my life and grinding all 1:49:21.439 --> 1:49:26.799 my life, sacrifice, hustle, Bady Price, wanna slice? Got the broller? 1:49:26.880 --> 1:49:29.400 Dice to swap all my life. I've been grinding all 1:49:29.439 --> 1:49:34.479 my life, all my life, the grounding, all my life, sacrifice, hustle, 1:49:34.520 --> 1:49:37.760 baby Price and want a slice? Got the broller dice 1:49:37.880 --> 1:49:40.120 to swap all my life. I've been grinding all my 1:49:40.240 --> 1:49:40.479 life