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Speaker 1: Who will be the dominant player of the twenty twenties.

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Speaker 1: So Luca steal Zaber Ryan over Luca Zober Ryan over

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Speaker 1: and over. Yoke, Am I saying it is? Am I

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Speaker 1: saying it? Get on enough drive Ran, don't d all

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Speaker 1: my life and grinding all my life, sacrifice hustle beg prison,

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Speaker 1: want a slice? Got the bron dice to swadd all

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Speaker 1: my life. I've been grinding all my life all my life,

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Speaker 1: been running all my life up, sacrifice, hustle bag Bryson,

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Speaker 1: want a slice, Got the bron dice to sware all

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Speaker 1: my life. I've been grinding all my life. Hello, welcome

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Speaker 1: to another edition of Club Shasha. I am your host

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Speaker 1: Shandon Sharp. I'm also the propriet of Club Sha Shake.

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Speaker 1: And the guy that's stopping by for conversation on the

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Speaker 1: drink today is a four time NBA champion. He's an actor, producer,

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Speaker 1: talks your host, entrepreneur, philanthropist. He's the first player NBA

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Speaker 1: history to win a championship in three with three different franchises,

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Speaker 1: and the first player to win a championship in three

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Speaker 1: different decades. He needs no introduction. John Sally I told

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Speaker 1: him you can read give me my one hundred dollars.

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Speaker 1: They said, Santy can't read. I wrote all that down

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Speaker 1: and you prove you can read. You see to put

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Speaker 1: on the car. They didn't put it in prompting for me, Sally,

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Speaker 1: how you do it today? Bright man, I'm finally on club.

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Speaker 1: This is amazing, and you know I got it. I

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Speaker 1: brought you something you did because this right here is

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Speaker 1: Tycoon Kanye. This is the vs we got that's very special,

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Speaker 1: very special, and I brought it because I know you

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Speaker 1: have yours. But my man, eat forty makes this right.

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Speaker 1: So this is and me supporting. So I want to

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Speaker 1: know what. I'm gonna give you a couple of bottles

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Speaker 1: that I want you to support me like you support

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Speaker 1: forty Water. I definitely do it. So I'm going on

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Speaker 1: Drink Champs and I'm only bringing Brown. I'm only bringing Brown.

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Speaker 1: Oh this is that's me right there? Yeah? Oh this show? Yes, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm only bringing Brown and they only had to beat

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Speaker 1: from Brown. Check this out. Actually, we won the SIP Award,

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Speaker 1: which is the best taste in Connact in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: It's a blind test award. It's the only thing that's

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Speaker 1: not industry so it's a blind test. You light up

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Speaker 1: the connacts and the people say, well this I like

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Speaker 1: this one the best. And we beat a bunch of them. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we beat the boy. I'm not gonna tell you who

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Speaker 1: are we beat, but all the ones that you think

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Speaker 1: are good, we beat them. Listen, my boy, Glenn Daniels,

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Speaker 1: Carl Collins. They they have me set up on all

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Speaker 1: the spirits. And then I did whiskey advocate because they're

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Speaker 1: experts and they tell me what I like. Right, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna take this bottom. Okay, I'm gonna leave this eat

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Speaker 1: forty bottom. Okay, and uh, everybody that's brown, that sells brown,

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Speaker 1: I get down. That's what I'm let's go sell them.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you. That is dope, bro, that I'm not even joking.

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Speaker 1: That is dope. Yeah, I need two bottles just in case.

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Speaker 1: All right, what's a typical day for John Sally? What

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Speaker 1: time do you get up? What do you do throughout

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Speaker 1: the day? What time he lights out? Well, my sleep

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Speaker 1: pattern is different. I've been stretching more. Okay. I was

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Speaker 1: with uh my boy Joe. Okay, I did some man.

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Speaker 1: I tried to get back in the league. Well he did,

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Speaker 1: he did last year. Okay, he was on the Celtics.

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Speaker 1: Don't make me make jokes. Okay, So so I did that,

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Speaker 1: really good at it. But I drink about a lead

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Speaker 1: bacon solda do? So when you when you have water, yes,

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Speaker 1: first thing, when you have anything with ice in it,

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Speaker 1: sea salt, those are the sea salt has about eighty

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Speaker 1: eighty five minerals you should have every day. But we

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Speaker 1: and that helps my kidneys, It helps, it helps move

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Speaker 1: if Dennis is right here, Bill Lamber is about to

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Speaker 1: about yeah, big my big brother. I didn't have to

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Speaker 1: You don't tell You don't social media, that's what you're

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Speaker 1: They said, because nobody shouted, it's gonna beat you up

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Speaker 1: Mark was in there like like Joe Frazier in that joint,

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Speaker 1: Lambard didn't me. He didn't me dirty man. He grabbed

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Speaker 1: So that mentality Rick mahonna remember they came at Rick.

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Speaker 1: It's February nineteen eighty seven. I can smell Atlanta from Detroit.

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Speaker 1: what is your what is your position on Kareem or

419
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,440
Speaker 1: the old guard being critical of some of the young

420
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 1: players wanted out of bounds fair file. It was one

421
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: hundred percent out of bounds, the one on Lebron or

422
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: the one on Kyrie, especially on Kyrie, okay, and so

423
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 1: so we could speak on it. I think this was

424
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 1: the reason. I think somebody along with him is saying

425
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 1: to him, if if you want to get things going

426
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: and become relevant and be able to guard the money

427
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: where they bring you in and they be you got

428
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: to say something that is asked not You have to

429
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: in order to be in this system of media controversy

430
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:50,479
Speaker 1: and and and conflict and a scandal. It's celebrity. Now

431
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: you understand what I'm saying. So to say that the

432
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 1: school system has let has let Kyrie down, it's saying

433
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: you're duke. Education is useless. But when you say that

434
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: about education, you mean you're programming didn't stick, right, because

435
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: Stephen A. My man, fifty grand went in on Kyrie

436
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 1: and had COVID twice and barely could walk and thought

437
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: he was on his deathbed. With the vaccine right and

438
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: the boosters right, Kyrie had none of that, right. So,

439
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: but you know, like the vaccine and booster doesn't guarantee

440
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: just like taking the months or the chicken pots with

441
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 1: all the vaccine doesn't guarantee taking a flu shot. I'm

442
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: a vegan. I've been. I started studying veganism in nineteen

443
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: ninety one and became a complete vegan in two thousand

444
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: and seven. I lived this lifestyle, so I understood, Yeah,

445
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: but you had another You had another sixteen years to

446
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: eat meat. You hadn't got it all like your system right,

447
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: So if you get things out of your system, which

448
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 1: it only right, your system is only right here. So

449
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 1: if you get things out of your intestines in sixty days,

450
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: thirty days, shoot, and I don't know, eleven months, you

451
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 1: can have a totally clear system. So knowing that the

452
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: stronger immune system and the stronger your system is, the

453
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 1: better it is against viruses. About what about Kyrie retweeting

454
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: Alex Jones, a known conspiracist, about Sandy Hook didn't happen?

455
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 1: The parents are actors, people lost their kids. Yeah. Once again,

456
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if I said it on this show,

457
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: but social media has destroyed everything because stop talking to

458
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,679
Speaker 1: the peanut gallery, not that against the black folks are

459
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,240
Speaker 1: in there, you know, and the whatchus stop listening. The

460
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: audience is there to listen to you, right, and to

461
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: sit around and to talk. Just doing things on Twitter

462
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: can get caught up, right, But let me and it.

463
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: As soon as I see it, as soon as I'm

464
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: the biggest Kanye fan, as soon as I see anything

465
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: with Kanye that is huge and talked about everywhere, I

466
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: step back and I looked to my right and left.

467
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: I look around. I go, something's about to happen. Because

468
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: every time they've used Kanye as an excuse or a distraction,

469
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: something went down that we were not paying attention to.

470
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: In this in this present time, they're talking about white

471
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,360
Speaker 1: Lives matter T shirt, Black lives matters. What he's doing?

472
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: People going back and forth? Yeah, and what's up? What's next?

473
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: What are we missing? I think this Africa is upset.

474
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: There's a war about to happen. There's a straight up

475
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: war about to happen, not a war like in Afghanistan.

476
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: We only see it on the news for seven seconds

477
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: and we go back. This one's a real one. These

478
00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: are white folks against white folks. There's a real war.

479
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: It's is world war like World War One and World

480
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: War two. This is this is, this is gonna be

481
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 1: land changers. But they're gonna talk about Kanye. Well, Kanye

482
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 1: putting that out there. We didn't want to talk about Kanye.

483
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: You think we like talking about Kanye. Put it out there.

484
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: Kanye walk with a shirt or everybody walk with a shot.

485
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: That's exactly. He knows how to be a distraction. He

486
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: knows how to make you say yay. No, I don't

487
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: say anything because I think, no, that's not here. No day,

488
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: I don't keep that much. I know I do it

489
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: because I watched your show. I was just trying to.

490
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: But when when Kanye is has changed everything in the

491
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: twenty first century, he is he is. He is motark.

492
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go there. I'm saying that right now. He's

493
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: a motark. Yeah, but those guys were anyway, Kareem has

494
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: said some things about Lebron. I noticed that, But Kareem

495
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: didn't become very critical Lebron until Lebron got started getting

496
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: closer and closer to that record. He was never critical Lebron.

497
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: Remember Eric Dickinson, don't like you if you can run,

498
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 1: if you get to, if you get yards, don't like it.

499
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 1: But but here's the thing. He'd even made it abundant

500
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: la clear. He like, yeah, I don't want I don't

501
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: want h about to break that record exactly what to keep.

502
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: But Kareem is like, y'all, I'm I'm you know, if

503
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: he if somebody is fortunate enough to break the record, YadA, YadA, YadA,

504
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: I'm cool with it. And even if you're not, I

505
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: don't believe you should be dismissive or search for things

506
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: to say it. Okay, Well this person doesn't see he

507
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like he's right, or he didn't say it publicly. Well,

508
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: I didn't Kareem. I'm old enough to remember how they

509
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: treated Kareem in the media. He should want not he

510
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: should not want to be the person who does it.

511
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: But it wasn't like Kareem was very cooperate with the media.

512
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: But also that well, that's why he shouldn't want to

513
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: do that, Like like bruh, they were killing you, yes,

514
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: killing you. Why would you want to do that to

515
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: another young cat? Doesn't deserve it? Right, it doesn't deserve it.

516
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: We mentioned this earlier Draymond in Jordan Pool put your

517
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: put your thing, because you know, it's like, well, obviously,

518
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: when did this happen yesterday? It seemed like it seems

519
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: to me like Draymond is the gatekeeper, like all, like, okay,

520
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: this is the way we do things here and if

521
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: someone gets out of line. You know, everybody, every team

522
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: has a gatekeeper. Everybody has a gatekeeper. What they say,

523
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: he hit him in his eye for we don't really

524
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: know because this punch him in his eye and hit

525
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: him with the ball. Well he put they say, they said,

526
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: I guess they he struck him, he sucker punched him,

527
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: or he had him know it. I mean, my thing is,

528
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: you don't walk Look, you don't walk up on someone

529
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: if you ain't really trying to squabble this notion like

530
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: you and you're like you in third grade, and y'all

531
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: walk up with somebody. You circle around, what you're gonna do,

532
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: what you're gonna Don't touch me, don't push me, don't

533
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: cross this line. Right but you grown now different rules apply.

534
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: If we stepped to somebody, I feel threatened. Thank you,

535
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: I feel threatened. I'm carrying this situation. I feel threatened,

536
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: and I'm about to hit your throat. You won't be

537
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: able to tell anybody what happened. How do you get

538
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: how do you get past? Okay, teammates fight, Yeah, but

539
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: this is a bad one. If he if he has

540
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: a swollen eye, he now is gonna be think about this, Well,

541
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: he beca't come to it. He can't be on team.

542
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: He can't. The media can't ever get that because they

543
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: get the eye. You know that's a mean though. It's

544
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: a meme. And and your kids can't go to school together.

545
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: Your girl is gonna be like, yeah, keep talking to me.

546
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call Draymond over here. Yeah, you got domestic

547
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: Violet the house. If you ever get beat to yell, Oh,

548
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: you talk to me, Craig, you ain't talking about till

549
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: crazy talk like you're talking to me. You know, I'm

550
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: saying that man, whoa, whoa? They say, where's all this aggression?

551
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: You didn't have it for Draymond? Right, you know you

552
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: rave your boys. You get all big with me. I

553
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: have nobody. You shouldn't get that the hill so Draymond

554
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: might get pulled going in there, shoot up the whole place.

555
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: You get past? I mean, how do you? Because I'm little.

556
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: For me, I've never really gotten in a fight with

557
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: a tea one time in my freshman year in college. Uh,

558
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: and he ended up leaving, you know, basically before the

559
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: thing was over. And I'm not a fighter. I just like, look,

560
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: I just want to do my thing Hey, I'm respectful

561
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: to everybody. Hey, I'm giving your space, you're giving my space.

562
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: But I ain't no pump. Now you're not fl You're

563
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: not fin to disrespect me, right, and so if you

564
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: disrespect me, I got You know, I don't really know

565
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: how tough I am, Sally, but I'm trying to not

566
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: let you find out how tough I am. Wow. So

567
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: I don't really know. I don't know what I'm cable

568
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: to do. I'm a nice carriage when I got to it.

569
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: When I got to a ladder from New York, I'm

570
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: walking in the au Center and this cop sees me.

571
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: You know, I got my can go on, and you know,

572
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm like this and you know I'm walking with you know,

573
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: and he said, hey, hey, And I walked by him

574
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: and he said, yeah, I talk to you. I said,

575
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: I hear you. I ain't doing nothing. I turned around

576
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 1: and when I turned around, he got this nice stick out.

577
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: He just hit the back of my pocket. He said,

578
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: dumb move, pulled my double on seven out. He goes,

579
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: you're about to run high. I go, hell, yeah, he goes,

580
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: just run. I ain't gonna do this, but you can't

581
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: carry this knife. So I'm a knife carry I see

582
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: that to this day, I couldn't get in here because

583
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: you know, I respect your security. But but I've been

584
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: rolling up on me. I'm I'm thinking you're gonna hurt me. Right,

585
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: that's like if you you know what tech kills. I mean,

586
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,879
Speaker 1: I've lived in George, so I know what take hill. Yeah,

587
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 1: so you probably had to carry wood. It's tech wood.

588
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: I want you it didn't use a feeling. Yeah, you

589
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 1: probably you probably had to have. But if somebody walk

590
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: up on you, yes, I remember. If we are we

591
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 1: got a disagreement going on. Oh man, what you know?

592
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: If our boss is getting more animated rage, I'm not

593
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: to just let you walk up on me. Yeah, well

594
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: you know Pool there's a smooth cat. No, no, bro,

595
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 1: you ain't that. No bro, if we if I want

596
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: to see his eye, I want to see that. Now

597
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: you're about to make Joe see exactly if there's nothing

598
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: left but jokes want to see the eye. So now

599
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: we got to fight every day everything till you just

600
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: hit him in his eye. You're not going to look

601
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: me up and help me walking around here looking like

602
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: the elephant man and we cool? That brought us together? No,

603
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: it didn't. No, no, hell no, it didn't. I wish

604
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 1: I want to see the eye. Now we mentioned Draymond

605
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: because Draymond played in the eighties. Oh yes, Draymond would

606
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: have been me and Draymond would have been best I

607
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: and I loved the bravido. I love the way he plays.

608
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: But you know, back then, they take if you, if

609
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: you went, if you were a tough guy, you had

610
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: to prove it because somebody's gonna step till you. You know,

611
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: back oh built that reputation and Mahorn them built that reputation.

612
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: No fine, if you if something happened, you got to

613
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: fight the rest broke y'all up. They would tell the coach, hey, hey,

614
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: get them substitutes, and you go sit down, calment the

615
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: cool down. And then when they felt you were cool enough,

616
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: you can go back in the game. They have to

617
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 1: for you to be in the locker room. We're paying

618
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: you all this be paying you were paying you ten

619
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year. Let's get in there, switching arrows.

620
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 1: Give me some guys that you think could have been

621
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: the same place. They're great now, but they would be

622
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: great in your era. Lebron James K. D. Okay, Damon Lillard,

623
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: Jim Rant, Timon rand is my man. I made my

624
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: wife watch I say hey only for a second because

625
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: I don't like you looking at these young kids. Watch this. Okay,

626
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Speaker 1: I get out of the way. What about Yannis, oh Man,

627
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: Yannest Yannis would they probably would have been in foul trouble,

628
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: but Jannis would be an unbelievable player in our deck.

629
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Speaker 1: And it's funny I listen into different those different podcasts

630
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: where guys talk about decades like your but arenas and

631
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: when they talk about guy they didn't realize that old

632
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: man strength when they elbow you and your third rib

633
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: and then you and then your top rib knowing why

634
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: they did that, you know what I'm saying, or knee

635
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: and you right above your thigh or elbow and you

636
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: and your here like things that they would do like

637
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: pointy doing things. And then all of a sudden, you

638
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: can't do this naturally, right, you get the chicken wing.

639
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: Now you miss him, like they didn't realize all those

640
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: nuances in the game. So all the bumps and all

641
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: the bumps and bruce that they were putting on you

642
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: was for a reason. Yeah, man, Like it's almost like

643
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: hitting somebody constantly and over here where the liver resides right. Eventually,

644
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: you're not gonna want to move your arm to throw

645
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: a punch right. And if this is your job, it

646
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be worth anything because your body is not

647
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: gonna want to throw it right. This those kind of nuances.

648
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: But I think I think there's some really one athleticism.

649
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: You know, people can't say they've never seen No, We've

650
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 1: seen David Thompson. We've seen Bana King give fifty two

651
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: nights in a row. Bana King would give people fifty

652
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: and shake his shoulders and shoot on the way up.

653
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,720
Speaker 1: It was amazing. Adrian Danley led the lead in scaring

654
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: two times. He was six to four so and he

655
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: didn't jump high right, and he didn't have a long

656
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: range jump shot. And he led the NBA in scoring.

657
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: So things like that, like guys would have to understand

658
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 1: now it's they were more technical, right. We only have

659
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: two refs too. There was a different way to play.

660
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: You played, you go, you leave Detroit, you go to Chicago.

661
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: What was your expectation when you went to Chicago? And

662
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: what was it like playing with Jordan one? How did

663
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: you yea? How the hell did you go that's your okay?

664
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: Because I don't you know, I'm not a gang member.

665
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: I don't follow colors you follow, agreed. I was like,

666
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,720
Speaker 1: I worked for IBM in the Detroit office, the Miami office,

667
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: the Toronto office, the Chicago office, in the Los angelesof Okay,

668
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: But I worked for IBM, right, That's that's the way

669
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Speaker 1: I always was. Okay. Uh The crazy thing is Jerry

670
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: crowds gard wrested so told me he was gonna take

671
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: me number nine. So but then you know, they told

672
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: me they were gonna take me number two to Boston too,

673
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: that I was landing. So I said, well, at least

674
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Speaker 1: I'm going to Chicago. I visited three times. Ryan's Off

675
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: likes me. I still do an event in Vegas every

676
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: year with Ryan's Off. And I'm thinking, I'm going to

677
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: Chicago and they take Brad Seller and I'm telling you,

678
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: I have like thirty seven people in the stands. I'm thinking,

679
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: I wish I had a dog whistle. We're gonna tear

680
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: this this place up if I don't get drafted in

681
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: the first round, right and uh so, so I thought

682
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: I was gonna be in Chicago. So I told Jerry Krause,

683
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: and I told h read our back. Every time I

684
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: played there, I was gonna play like I was playing

685
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: a home game, and I did every every Boston game.

686
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 1: I was trying to give him the business. And in Chicago,

687
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: if I saw Brad Sellers, who you know, I was

688
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: cool with, but if I saw him, I wanted to

689
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: prove they made a mistake on the draft every single time.

690
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,920
Speaker 1: Hey Mike, One time we played Michael Shannon and he said, yeah,

691
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: after the game, man, I got to Ferrari. I said, oh,

692
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see it. He goes, yeah, he

693
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: just got out of his deal with Chevrolet so he

694
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: can drive a Ferrari now in town. And we beat him.

695
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Speaker 1: In my mom, what happened man? Hanging out with you?

696
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: You know? Uh So I always just I always looked

697
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 1: at it that I was going to work and after

698
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Speaker 1: you know, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't live and

699
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Speaker 1: die and live with it that way. But I love Chicago.

700
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: It was one of my favorite It was my favorite

701
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: parts of my career. I mean, you look at it.

702
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: You played with a couple of top seventy five players,

703
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: You had Isaiah, Joe Doody, You go to Chicago, you

704
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 1: played with Scotty and Mike. You go to LA and

705
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: you got Shock and Kobe. What was it like each

706
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: stop along the way. Because you got Shock and Kobe

707
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,359
Speaker 1: early Jordan Pepper with their veteran ball club, they had,

708
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: you know, already had to you know, the three p

709
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: they were already established, I mean Jordan probably by the

710
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 1: time you got to Joe, Yeah, twelve. Isaiah and Joe

711
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: they literally trained me and taught me. I learned a

712
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: lot I still do. Man like Isaiah's I learned from

713
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: Isaiah every day. I don't talk to Joe that much anymore.

714
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: But then you get to Michael and Scottie. It was

715
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: a well oiled machine. And I thought, however they practiced

716
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: in Chicago's how everybody's pause. I remember going through that practice,

717
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: and I, you know, I used to think practice was

718
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 1: useless on something. I'm better off practicing by myself. Except

719
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 1: in Chicago it was. It was it was targeted, and

720
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: it was it looked like everything was helping you to

721
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: get better and better and better. And then when I

722
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 1: got to the Lakers, man I saw one I didn't

723
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: really realize how Mammoth shaquill it shack is huge. You

724
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 1: don't realize, No, you don't. And then I would hate

725
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: to have to have played again Shack I did, but

726
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: I would hate to have to do it as a

727
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: for a living. Like you know what I'm saying. I'm

728
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: glad I was at the end of my career because

729
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: it's it's a hard thing to have to deal with

730
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: him four times a year. And then Kobe was just

731
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: turning into this thing. He was turning into this unbelievable

732
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: copycat of Michael. But you know, tide pluck, tide evergreen,

733
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Speaker 1: this is what I call it. Like you have tied

734
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Speaker 1: and tide plus right tide uh uh, Mountain fresh and

735
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: tie ever Mountain fresh and tide Uh. What would it

736
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Speaker 1: be y'all? Known as the baby baby s Yeah, Like

737
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 1: those are the versions of Michael. But the closest was Covid.

738
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Speaker 1: It was it was the the best thing about being

739
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: with MJ is one He smoked good cigars drank Really

740
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 1: can you believe that he was able to do that

741
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: with smoking cigars and drinking as much as he did

742
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 1: not he not, He's I'm not saying he's an alcoholic,

743
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: but he enjoyed. He enjoyed the bread. But but but

744
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: he the figars, he loved figures. He gonna get, he

745
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: gonna get three sticks of date. But I mean too,

746
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 1: but you don't. You don't. You don't smoke sigardsgard smoke,

747
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: So you don't Inhale siguys, the cigars just sitting there

748
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: to feed the spirits and let the Yeah, exactly, you're

749
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: telling yourself that, Yeah, but you don't. You don't Inhale siguys.

750
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: You you're Inhales cigarettes and you Inhale uh cannabis, which

751
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: you should now inhaling cannabis, because I meant to tell

752
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: you in the way over here, you don't partake in cannabis.

753
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: You don't. Yeah, you know, you won't live as long

754
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: as me because of it. But but it's about to

755
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: be passed, like Biden just decided he was gonna legally

756
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: push the board legalizing it. I might even vote for Biden.

757
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 1: I might start getting me open up me a shop

758
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: like you did. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You mentioned

759
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: that you were you were playing against Charles Oakley and

760
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: he punched you in the stomach, dead man. No, you

761
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: weren't playing againt him without a comedy show right now,

762
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 1: we went to Kentucky Derby. So what happened? So Dave

763
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 1: Chappelle walks up with Chris Tucker. He goes out, Michael

764
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: sitting and here's your man, Michael, right here, right here,

765
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:53,359
Speaker 1: right here, right one time? Michael or Kobe which one?

766
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: And I look at Michael and Oakley's over here. I

767
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: don't even see him put his glass down and get

768
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,399
Speaker 1: we inside. I had to boot. It's like all black

769
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 1: people in this boot. And I said money at twenty seven,

770
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: young fella would give you the business. And Oakley came

771
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: out of nowhere and not all undershanow. When I tell

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00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,399
Speaker 1: you he hit me, You ever get punched, don't see

773
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 1: the punch coming. It's like a quarterback not seeing he's

774
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: about to get destroyed for the back. He hit me

775
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: so hard. Man, I'm heavy handed to people. Don't realize

776
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: how big oaks and Mike was like, you know, sound crazy.

777
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: He just messed with them. I was like trying to

778
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: act like I was laughing, trying to find air, and

779
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: I was like, I give me air, oh man, I should,

780
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 1: And it was I'm glad there was no women understanding

781
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 1: what I was saying. Just look like boys playing man.

782
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: I would have had to get one on the eye.

783
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: Ain't gonna have me laughing. You take my breath away,

784
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: just like Oakley did with that punch. You you uh

785
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: lad Bird. You played against like I said, du dude,

786
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: I mean y'all were in the same same conference, and

787
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: you played each other so many times, in the Eastern

788
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 1: Conference Final, in the in the in the playoffs. They

789
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: say Larry was more of a trash talker than Jordans. Yes,

790
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: and me and O. This is the crazy thing. Larry

791
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: Bird as a black guy, you know, the bleach the

792
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 1: skin just so he can, just so he wasn't get

793
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: in trouble going downtown and because if you heard his

794
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: diction you would understand the tude. But Matt, but Larry

795
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 1: was just the business. Like I saw. I'm so happy

796
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: on TikTok TikTok. Somebody put other Larry Bird pieces and

797
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 1: then you can ask magic. He didn't miss those big

798
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: shots went in right, those big plays he made right.

799
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 1: He said. It was disrespectful for you for the opposing

800
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: coach to put a white player on him and say

801
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: you disrespect him, and you disrespect him my game to

802
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: not to give me. Yeah, I want all the smoke

803
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: and then he was gonna talks man and sound like it.

804
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 1: And that's how I knew that he was passed on Blanc.

805
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: He was passive for White. He was just passive. Is

806
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: that why him and Doc got into it? Say he

807
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: was talking, he was talking. He was talking to Doc.

808
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: He said, you're old man. This is my lead. Now,

809
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: this is my lead. Take the three with you. And

810
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: he would say, he would say, side, you better get help, you,

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00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: you better ask for help. And then no, I want

812
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 1: on him. I got him, I got him draws. I'm like, oh,

813
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: somebody about to get n't take this. I'm a foul him.

814
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: This is really good kanyact. I'm not that I'm surprised.

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Speaker 1: I'm pleasantly surplied. I'm pleasant. I'm not angry surprised. I

816
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: can't believe it. You know what, I got one for you?

817
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: I want you to give me your all time starting five,

818
00:47:55,120 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: but your former teammates who wo so somebody to go

819
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: get left off this day? I got Brian Shaw. I've

820
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,320
Speaker 1: never done this. Okay, what do you mean the guys

821
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 1: I like to hang out with now you're all times.

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00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 1: I need you to give me your starting five or

823
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 1: your former teammates starting five. Yeah, oh, I'm not in there.

824
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,759
Speaker 1: I'm coaching. I mean, you want to put yourself in there,

825
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,760
Speaker 1: but I don't know why you would do that. But okay,

826
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:51,280
Speaker 1: I'm coaching. You asking five around me? You mean four others?

827
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: I would have Shaquille, Bill lamb Beer okay, Dennis Rodman Okay,

828
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant. Oh oh oh, I that Kannak made me

829
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:22,240
Speaker 1: think about feel like I'm on drink. Champs hold on, Sakil, Kobe, Kobe, Isaiah, Isaiah, Michael, Michael,

830
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: Dennis Rodman. Okay, let me tell you what would happen?

831
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Speaker 1: What would what would their record be? They would their

832
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: record would be? Would they be would they be Golden State?

833
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: They seven people punched in the face. This is why

834
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 1: Michael is not going to pass the ball. Okay, Kobe

835
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: is not going to pass the ball. Isaiah, depending on

836
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 1: the day, is going to tell you who is going

837
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: to get the ball. Okay. Dennis is going to play

838
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 1: the toughest defense on whoever the other big is, and

839
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: Shaquill's gonna be in the middle. So and I'm glad

840
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: we did that. When people put teams together, you have

841
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: to put when when when I developed a human. I'm

842
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: sorry when God developed a human. Same difference when God

843
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: developed a human. And let's just talk about the spine. Right,

844
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: there's bone and then there's this. Both of them are important, right,

845
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,480
Speaker 1: But you can't have all bone, right because now you

846
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: have to get it fused and you have no no

847
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: ability to be flexible. Right, so you need Draymond Green

848
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: to snap, snap snap. Only get six points, five rebounds.

849
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: But this guy only got four points and he thinks

850
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: he after listening to Draymond, He's gonna go home and

851
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: ask his wife. Is all that true what Draymond was

852
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: saying on the court, right, he's got it unwinded, right,

853
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: So it's just hard to have one basketball and guys

854
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: who have to have the basketball on the same team.

855
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: Is Isaiah the greatest player you've ever played with? I think? So?

856
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: I think? Did you not play with Michael? Did you

857
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 1: not play with Shaggy Kobe? Yeah? What da? What happened?

858
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: Isaiah was six feet tall, two time champion, five MVP,

859
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: twelve time All Star, two time All Star Game MVP,

860
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: all time all NBA. Yeah, I think Michael was the greatest.

861
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: I say that, and he knows why I say that.

862
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: Just pissed him off. I used to say to him, money,

863
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: these people you're messire. I say it, in two thousand years,

864
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,240
Speaker 1: In two thousand years, they're gonna be worshiping like they're

865
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 1: gonna be Jesus who like you're the beside. Yeah, he

866
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 1: was like, shut up side, and I go, dog, think

867
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 1: about it. Some people literally worship their whole lives and

868
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: have everything based upon you, And if they met you,

869
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: you wouldn't talk to him, you wouldn't say anything, so

870
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: like you'd be like yo, security. But some people are

871
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: like stuck in that piece. And I said that. I

872
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: would say to uh James Worthy, I said, can you

873
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: believe the way they treat Michael. He goes, yeah, skinny

874
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: little Michael. They actually like skinny little Michael. It is

875
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 1: the best player there. Because when we were in college,

876
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: he was just skinny. You know, we would laugh about it.

877
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 1: We laugh about it was Mike Jordan. Yeah, it was

878
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, you know he was when he went

879
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: and tried it out. It was Clyde Drexon was going

880
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: at him. This person was going at him, and then

881
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 1: he just he turned into like this unbelievd like little Wayne.

882
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: When he was part of the Hot Boys and then

883
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: he turned into weezy. But the thing, you've been around him,

884
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like Mike. The aura around him.

885
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: The man is like he levitating Eddie Murphy. He I've

886
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: never Eddie Murphy. I've never been around Eddie. I've been

887
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,479
Speaker 1: around some famous actors and actresses and seen some famous people,

888
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: but Jordan is like Jordan levitate. Yeah, yeah, he changed it.

889
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:04,920
Speaker 1: You know. It's so funny too, because you you you

890
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: you based everything upon Michael Jordan. Even Tom Brady is

891
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: based upon Michael Jordan. Right, he's the Jordan the football. Yeah,

892
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: he's the Jordan the basketball. Yeah, that kind of stuff.

893
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: What was the other cat? So I did a a

894
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: friend of mine and say his name, you know, wanted

895
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: to meet Beyonce. Uh. And it's right before September eleven,

896
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 1: and we're at this at this event in New York,

897
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: and so I introduced Beyonce to him and she got hi,

898
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: and she go, John, I want to meet Michael Jackson.

899
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: I said, I felt different. I said that I felt different.

900
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: I didn't know he was in Like he literally changed

901
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: the molecules in the room, right, Michael Jordan does the

902
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,800
Speaker 1: same thing. Yeah, I begged him to go out with

903
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: us in Philadelphia. We go out. We're going the back way.

904
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: We spoke as the guards in the joint and the

905
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: owner of the start of the club come and go

906
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan and my club. Cut the music off and

907
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 1: turn the lights on. He wanted everybody to see Michael

908
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 1: Jordan's in his club. I'm telling you, he changes the

909
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,440
Speaker 1: way people move. His His new wife is is the

910
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,919
Speaker 1: bomb too, because her making him do normal things. Yeah,

911
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: it's dope. It's good for him. You know, it's kind

912
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: of crazy because he's very isolated early on. I mean

913
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: he didn't really do anything. He didn't do I mean

914
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 1: really anything publicly. No. We were in Monte Carlo and

915
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 1: uh Mob's Hagler was, you know, he moved to Italy

916
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: and he was in Central Peg and he saw Michael

917
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,720
Speaker 1: and Mike was more impressed to seeing U Marvin Hagler

918
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: than they were just happy to talk to one another.

919
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: And then we were walking in the street and I go,

920
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 1: how you like this? He goes, No one's bothering me.

921
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: I go, because you don't you make less than them.

922
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 1: We're in Monte Carlo, Like, bro, you you you're not

923
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,399
Speaker 1: making anywhere close to this money right here, so him,

924
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: you know, I took it for granted because I can

925
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: go anywhere, and I can go anywhere, and then I

926
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: don't y'all know who I think I am. I supposed

927
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: to be up front, but he can't go anywhere. So

928
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: it's it's do you think he's the most recognizable person

929
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 1: in the world used to be? Who you think it

930
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 1: is now Kanye West? If I'm if I'm wrong, That's

931
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: why I told you he's brilliant. He is brilliant. I

932
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: would have said. The only people that could probably rival him,

933
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: and as far as face recognition probably Christiano Ronaldo. No,

934
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:38,360
Speaker 1: uh no, probably Messy. No, they're just soccer players. They

935
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: gotta have their jerseys are Nah, people know them. I

936
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:47,320
Speaker 1: guarantee you that man got five hundred million followers. I

937
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: haf a billion, Kanye got six billion dollars. No, you

938
00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 1: do realize like most like Elon Musk, music trans sends everything.

939
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:06,440
Speaker 1: So you think you think Kanye' is more recognizable than Jordan,

940
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: Messi or Renaldo right now? Like some people didn't know

941
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan played basketball now, but you know what he

942
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 1: or Tiger when Tiger was at his hip. You don't

943
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: know what Tiger looked like. Now Tiger got a limp.

944
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I ain't gonna say nothing

945
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 1: mean shanity. Wait, he ain't got that walk anymore. He doesn't,

946
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 1: you know, he doesn't show up in those spots anymore.

947
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: He's downplaying it, trying to you know, he's letting everything

948
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: die down before Tiger strikes back. He's ready to prop

949
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: You think he could. You think we'll ever see one

950
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: more glimpse of what he gave us a couple of

951
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: years ago at the Masters. If Tiger got into hot yoga,

952
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: this is true statement. If Tiger got into yoga, he'd

953
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 1: be back and be hot yoga. He'd be back to

954
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: the Tiger we knew, because every other distraction got in

955
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 1: tiger life got in the way. So once he centers himself,

956
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: he's unstoppable. Are you sad? Are you disappointed? Or upset? Sad?

957
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 1: I guess sad. It's a better choice of words to

958
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 1: see how it's playing out between Scotty and Michael. Did

959
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: you ever think it? Did you ever think it would

960
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 1: get to this? Because I thought I always think mine.

961
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: I thought it was I thought they were cool. I

962
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: thought they were clowning. I thought they clowned you know,

963
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 1: he's clowning it. You know, Michael clowns him and stuff. Right.

964
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: I think the last dance did this because Jordan said

965
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: something the last dance because if it's the first of all,

966
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: Michael won't say anything. He didn't say to your face.

967
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: But no, but here's the thing. If why would you

968
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: put Scotty not Jordan, you weren't there. Why would you

969
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: put Scotty not going into the game in ninety four

970
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: when you weren't there? Why would you put that in

971
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,680
Speaker 1: your documentary? It's like me, I got something, but I'm

972
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: gonna put something that's not that's not pleasing to John

973
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: in my documentary. What the hell? You look like? I

974
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: gotta do it? Did I do it? This is the deal.

975
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: Scotty was wrong in ninety four. Yes, and this was

976
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: part of the story on how Tony Kucko got to

977
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 1: it and how but that was that that didn't last,

978
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: that that ain't by part of the Jordan's story. Jordan

979
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 1: went on the team. Well he also didn't edit it,

980
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: but you know, you know, just exactly they had to say, Yeah,

981
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: he got he got final safe. He goes some Cutton

982
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 1: no shoe hell Jordan has saying that he did, Hey

983
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 1: you and shouting I'm gonna tell you right now, you

984
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: had the best interview with Lamar Oldham, period and period.

985
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: Lad almost had it. Lad almost had that interview. The

986
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 1: boy didn't. He didn't show up. I'm telling you you

987
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: had the best interview. Appreciate that. Lamar he said seriously,

988
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: he said no to everybody else but you and felt

989
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: comfortable telling you his truth. You're not how crazy that is? Yeah,

990
00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: I wish you would have want to cut something out

991
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,600
Speaker 1: and I was, and I was a producing on here.

992
00:59:01,600 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: I'd be shouting, you know, you're right, We're gonna cut

993
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: it out, and then I'll have somebody go get you

994
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: drunk while we put it on the air. I could

995
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: say sorry to you. After we get the points the Lakers.

996
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: You go to the Lakers, after you stared with the bulls.

997
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: The Lakers basically signed you the baby shit babysit shot.

998
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: Now you guys, I mean you do have some familiarity,

999
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: both of you adults mgat side five the purplely Gold. Yes,

1000
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 1: this is the deal. That's not that's that's how I

1001
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: got in. Okay, I did you know I'm I don't

1002
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: know if you noticed, but I'm I'm a psychic. So

1003
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 1: I literally was watching like old, yeah, we're gonna put

1004
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: I had put over. I was a psycho. I caught

1005
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: Field and I gonna dog, you ain't gonna let these

1006
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: two guys not win a championship. And I had no

1007
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: idea he was negotiating with the Lakers, right, So I

1008
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: had to play it off like, well, you know, I

1009
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: know the inside, so you better put me. I had to.

1010
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: I realized I tapped in at the right time, and

1011
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: so I had to act like, Okay, you're going in.

1012
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: You're gonna need me because I do this. And my

1013
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: job wasn't to babysit. It was literally, Field believes in vets,

1014
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: and I said, I lived five doors from shot. He

1015
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: listens to me. He's one of my favorite people on

1016
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 1: the planet. When I needed money financially, Kat hit me down.

1017
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 1: And when I was like, I'm gonna pay you back,

1018
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: it don't pay me back. I was like, damn, like this,

1019
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 1: leave some money. You gonna pay me back? Oh yeah,

1020
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: I know that's right. I'm hurt your eyes and uh,

1021
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: but when you I was sitting there and I would

1022
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 1: do this the shot. I knew that, I knew the offense.

1023
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 1: I thought the offense was beautiful, and so you know,

1024
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,520
Speaker 1: TEXT loved that I knew the offense. Loved that I

1025
01:00:55,640 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 1: loved he literally wrote the book and then autographed it

1026
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:00,760
Speaker 1: to me. I knew the words and why it worked,

1027
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: a new other nuances of it. And so I would

1028
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: just stand behind Shack when I'm guarding him. But he

1029
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 1: would say something and Chat would go to make a

1030
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: move that everybody would make. I go, don't move. He

1031
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: knows you're gonna make that move. Let this happen because

1032
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 1: this person is not knowing what comes after this. And

1033
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: this Shack would listen. And then Shack said, why can't

1034
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 1: I just post up right here? I said, you can,

1035
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: but wait till late in the gate. Things like that.

1036
01:01:27,920 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: And then we went to Boston and me and Shaq's uncle,

1037
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 1: we we got to go out. Shack couldn't go out.

1038
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 1: Shack could go out, but we got to go out.

1039
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: Besides that, I think it's mostly energy. The reason I've

1040
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 1: been on teams that one championship is I bring a

1041
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: better energy. I'm a teammate, I'm a I'm a hard worker.

1042
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: I make sure like hey, man, we gotta be on

1043
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:58,400
Speaker 1: the bus at this time. That that constant tick on

1044
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: what we have to do. Those are kind of things

1045
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: I get to. Yeah, you saw me over CJ with

1046
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 1: my eye watering. Somebody must have plenty earlier. No, so

1047
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 1: what happened Saturn is I got radio. I went and

1048
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: got my eyes operated on because I ain't want to

1049
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,600
Speaker 1: show you how big my glass. Yeah, and then you

1050
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,919
Speaker 1: tell your Vegan though I thought, Vegan, don't getting don't

1051
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 1: get anything wrong, No, no, no, no, ever I had

1052
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: this was bad eyesight since I was in green and

1053
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: I know my daughter said that too. I wish better.

1054
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 1: Carro team was really the only thing that would help

1055
01:02:33,520 --> 01:02:36,480
Speaker 1: my eye. I didn't see so much bad stuff my

1056
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:40,120
Speaker 1: eyes watering, and and and literally I got when I

1057
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:42,640
Speaker 1: got poked in the eye. It kind of messed it up.

1058
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,960
Speaker 1: Somebody my tear duck keeps watering. They told me that's

1059
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 1: a part of the illuminati too. That's what they said

1060
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: on the internet. That's why I said everything on the internet. Boy,

1061
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: I was saying, I didn't even know why what's happening?

1062
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 1: Longf I know, we see what happened last week with

1063
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 1: the situation in Boston. I made Idoka. Do you believe

1064
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 1: he'll ever coach? I made Idoka? Oh really, Udoka? I

1065
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: made Eudoka. Don't make me make jokes Adoka Udoka. Do

1066
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 1: you believe he'll coach again? No? Hell's no. So why

1067
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: they so? Why they do this to my own? Were

1068
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,680
Speaker 1: gonna suspending for the season and then we're gonna reevaluate.

1069
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: Why not go? You know the real reason I think

1070
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 1: they wanted. Normally in a situation like this, when they have,

1071
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:33,200
Speaker 1: you know, the gout, normally come there and says I'm resigning,

1072
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 1: you know, blah blah blah, and they're hoping he resigned,

1073
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 1: then you don't have to pay the money. He's like, no, not.

1074
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: If somebody resigned, you gotta pay it. Yeah, So why

1075
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 1: don't you just resly to get your money, because then

1076
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna invoke the moral club, which means they don't

1077
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: have to pay. And if I suspend you, I don't

1078
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,720
Speaker 1: have to. They ain't police officers. Right, he ain't gonna

1079
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: suspend you with pay. Right, You're not gonna kill a

1080
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 1: black guy. Jesus, you're not going on the minut straight League.

1081
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: Yet you didn't kill a black eye. Come on, So

1082
01:04:05,040 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 1: that's what they're gonna do. They're gonna suffering, and we're

1083
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,280
Speaker 1: gonna let you have to deal with this, that you

1084
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 1: have to sleep with this, Let you have to go

1085
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: with this the whole day. Could they have lived differently? No, No,

1086
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: they had They had to say we suspended. They don't

1087
01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: believe in any of any of the things that's happening

1088
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: until I know for sure when they come out with

1089
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,920
Speaker 1: this is what happened. My my heart goes out to

1090
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: my friend Nia because she don't want to be known

1091
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: for this, right, She don't want to be known for

1092
01:04:34,080 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: the girl. She don't she's an actress, she's a director,

1093
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 1: she's a mom. It's a bad bitch. Yes, she don't

1094
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 1: want to be that's the thing Nia wants to be

1095
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 1: known for. So I know that pistol Off at that piece.

1096
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 1: I've been around it since the eighties, right, Well, I'm

1097
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 1: sorry Nia, since the two thousands when she was only

1098
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:56,400
Speaker 1: seventeen eighteen. No, but I've been around it for a

1099
01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: long time, and I think that however it is, they

1100
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 1: thought of the way to literally twist the knife constantly

1101
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 1: and let you die slow. But there's no reason to

1102
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 1: ever let him be a coach somewhere else. Well not.

1103
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:16,800
Speaker 1: I mean that's a that's an unforgivable no. Now, everywhere

1104
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 1: you go as a coach, that's all you're gonna be

1105
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: known for it. That's why they suspended him. So this

1106
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 1: can constantly soak and soak and fester and fester and fester.

1107
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 1: What about what if he goes to college? What college?

1108
01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 1: What booster is going to sit down and want you

1109
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: to stand next to his man. It's hard for me

1110
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: to believe that I made Doka, did the worst thing

1111
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 1: ever for a coach, and he can't get another job.

1112
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:48,360
Speaker 1: I feel sorry for you not knowing it. Well, you know,

1113
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: you'd be better off giving Brett father ebt card. He

1114
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 1: probably got a bunchet old. He got a bunchet old.

1115
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:00,080
Speaker 1: He got a bunch of got a bunchet old, a

1116
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 1: bunch of Bernard TVs Bernard, Bernard Bernard phone. Oh my god,

1117
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 1: that's not gonna make it. But that was funny. Let's

1118
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 1: talk about let's talk about that Bad Boys Piston team.

1119
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 1: And you mentioned obviously Isaiah. You had Joe Dumars, you

1120
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 1: had Mohorn for one of the championships, you had yourself,

1121
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 1: you had Lambert, you had Worm and Dennis Rodman. What

1122
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 1: made that team so special? James Edwards, Ny MacGuard. One

1123
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: year you had Dai. Did you win the championship with Dane?

1124
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: Did you know we got cheated out here with the Lakers?

1125
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:35,920
Speaker 1: They called the fake foul and they did, they did,

1126
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 1: and they did that. They had a witch doctor at

1127
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 1: the game in game six and threw it at Isaiah's ankle.

1128
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, man, I hadn't been in some some

1129
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 1: spirits going around. I no, A d taught me everything though.

1130
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 1: That was that was the best. We named him teacher,

1131
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 1: the best teacher for three years. And I've had great coaches, right.

1132
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 1: My teachering came from add and agent. Daddy. Still love you, bro,

1133
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 1: and you have that you what I said and I

1134
01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 1: watched now when I listened to you, there's no vets, right,

1135
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 1: And if there are vets, I'm not saying all of y'all,

1136
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 1: but my vets. Knowing I was going, Rick Mahorne knew

1137
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: they brought me in to take his spot. He still

1138
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 1: taught me and gave me technique. He knows it. Eventually,

1139
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 1: you're you know, you gotta know that the next guy

1140
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 1: is coming in and but why are you here you're

1141
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 1: gonna play right, you better be good at this because

1142
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: we need to be good across the board. And that's

1143
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: the way I looked at it, and I would and

1144
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 1: I think about it. Man, some people don't realize in

1145
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:51,280
Speaker 1: this world, these are fortune five hundred guys that's supposed

1146
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 1: to work together. It's hard to work together. So what

1147
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 1: makes you a champion? Or how I think is all

1148
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 1: you guys, you're gonna you saw what happened even with y'all.

1149
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:03,120
Speaker 1: When money gets involved, it messes everything out. Yeah, it

1150
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 1: mess the team up. It messes everything. Eut if money

1151
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 1: was not involved, if you can get your money and

1152
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,760
Speaker 1: no one knows how much you got, if you had

1153
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 1: to play hard, boys, it be unbelievable. Do you believe

1154
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,920
Speaker 1: that's a best responsibility because a lot of people don't

1155
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 1: feel that it's not my job to get hit, you know,

1156
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 1: to get him ready, or to give him this or

1157
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 1: to do that. I felt it was my job to

1158
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 1: help the younger players, even though a lot of I

1159
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: mean I didn't really have a whole lot of guys,

1160
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 1: but some guys, some of the when I was a

1161
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 1: wide receiver, guys like Mark Jackson, Guys like Mark Vans Johnson.

1162
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 1: They helped me. Yeah, but I felt that in turn

1163
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 1: it was my job to get the other Titans when

1164
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:42,479
Speaker 1: I moved switched positions to get them ready. Do you

1165
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 1: feel that's a best obligation. Yeah, you have to. If

1166
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 1: you don't teach him that he shouldn't be on the squad,

1167
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 1: it'd be like, I know, I don't know if you

1168
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:56,160
Speaker 1: know anything about gang warfare. I don't. I don't. But

1169
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 1: but what I did was make think but but just

1170
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 1: think about it. If you were in the army, yes,

1171
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:06,839
Speaker 1: you would have to teach that person everything to survive

1172
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:11,000
Speaker 1: and be worthy of the guy behind you. Right, the

1173
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:14,560
Speaker 1: marine mentality, you know, so that if Marie, if the

1174
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 1: young guy comes in the marine, the older marine is

1175
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:18,760
Speaker 1: gonna teach him how to be a better marine. Right,

1176
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: skip some of the pitfall so you don't like so

1177
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 1: you don't run in or falling those rights. And I

1178
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 1: think it's it's supposed to be. I think you teach

1179
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 1: him too. Enhances you because if you're showing somebody like

1180
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 1: a Keem used to show people his movie, right, the

1181
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 1: more he practiced you. But you gotta be really secure

1182
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 1: to do that. Yeah, you gotta be really secure. Yeah,

1183
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 1: but you're right. We understand. We understand there's a lot

1184
01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 1: of guys in the wrong place though, and that that

1185
01:09:51,400 --> 01:09:53,759
Speaker 1: those are not winners. I don't look at him as winners.

1186
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 1: You guys chase the Boston Celtics for years, that Big

1187
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:04,320
Speaker 1: Three with Parish Bird, McHale, that had DJ, that had

1188
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys chased him for for a long

1189
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 1: long time. When you finally got over the mountain, then

1190
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 1: you had to deal with the Lakers and to get

1191
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 1: and to get because you couldn't get to the Lakers

1192
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,280
Speaker 1: until you got past the Celtics. And when you got

1193
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 1: past the Celtics and then you got like damn and

1194
01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 1: know what it was, Man, if your conspiracy theorist like

1195
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 1: I am, you would, I'm telling you, some things would happen,

1196
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: and I would just turn around and go, Okay, that's

1197
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:36,800
Speaker 1: the way it's gonna be. Give example, we play against

1198
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 1: the Lakers, and we've we got him beat, we're all

1199
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 1: in shot, we gotta beat and Isaiah looking and we're

1200
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,559
Speaker 1: all looking, and he grabs the ball, take it out

1201
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,600
Speaker 1: and out of nowhere, Live Bird accepts the ball and

1202
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 1: throws into DJ. Now there's no way in history could

1203
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 1: that too have happened right in that sequence. I was like,

1204
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 1: that has to be something else out of us. I

1205
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 1: was like, what Avdel just got kills with the ball.

1206
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 1: He was trying to get in and try to get

1207
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 1: it in bounce before you get can sit their defense,

1208
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:08,559
Speaker 1: and he made trying to throw it the Bill because

1209
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 1: Bill was a good fashion right, but gods never take

1210
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,560
Speaker 1: the ball out, and Bill usually and Bill taking the

1211
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 1: ball out, he throws the Isaiah exactly. So it was

1212
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 1: it was just a twist, and I was like, I

1213
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,679
Speaker 1: don't how does that happen? And then the next year

1214
01:11:24,200 --> 01:11:26,400
Speaker 1: when we beat him, we get here and Isaiah twists

1215
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:28,560
Speaker 1: his ankle. I go out. Of all the times in

1216
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 1: the world, eighty eight, right, because in eighty seven we

1217
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 1: can't get by, And then in eighty eight we get

1218
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:38,880
Speaker 1: here and we got these lakers. Oh my god, we

1219
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,640
Speaker 1: had him. So it was so nice. It was so

1220
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 1: messed up. Shadowed my brothers and I went to the

1221
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 1: comedy store and I had rented a card. It was

1222
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:51,240
Speaker 1: a white Mercedes bands. They pulled me over on Lastaanica

1223
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 1: made me get out and sit on the curb nineteen

1224
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,040
Speaker 1: eighty eight, sit on the curb until we check all

1225
01:11:57,080 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 1: the card. He goes, oh Detroit. Uh license kept me there?

1226
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:04,800
Speaker 1: He said, uh, they we're gonna keep you out here

1227
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 1: for a couple of hours. And I said, hey, you

1228
01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:08,839
Speaker 1: know curfew? Is that what he said? What time's curfew?

1229
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 1: I mean, why did you put it out? Why did

1230
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:13,720
Speaker 1: you say, you know, if you keep you a little longer,

1231
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:15,679
Speaker 1: you go miss curfew. Why would you say that because

1232
01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 1: I didn't have curfew? But I said, well, hope you

1233
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: say you got curfe just like eleven thirty right, you know.

1234
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 1: You know. He was like, oh, you're gonna miss curfew.

1235
01:12:24,200 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, so no, he gonna keep

1236
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 1: me there till about ten more minutes. No, and I

1237
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 1: can't get to the brainer. This is the crazy thing

1238
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 1: that was the police officer loving the Lakers. It was

1239
01:12:37,439 --> 01:12:39,600
Speaker 1: you know, you had to watch where you eat. Like.

1240
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 1: It wasn't just the Lakers, it was the referees living

1241
01:12:42,439 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 1: Ladera and live in the valley. They ain't flying in,

1242
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 1: they driving to work. So I had to play against

1243
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:53,720
Speaker 1: the Lakers the police officers, and I was like, this

1244
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:57,080
Speaker 1: is just too much. It was too much. But then

1245
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 1: when we finally got him, which is another the thing

1246
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 1: I thought Byron Scott messed up his hand. String man, string,

1247
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 1: I mean I started walking sof I was stretching my hand.

1248
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: Did like when you when you guys finally got over

1249
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:17,680
Speaker 1: the mountaintop, did you realize what you had done? That

1250
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 1: you basically had ended the Celtics Big Three? You you

1251
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,240
Speaker 1: guys ended it? Did you know you guys were doing that?

1252
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 1: Did you know? Did you know they weren't gonna be

1253
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: what they were ever? Again? No, this is how scary

1254
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 1: this was. After we won the championship. I remember we

1255
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 1: came back getting off the plane. It's whatever. I went

1256
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,479
Speaker 1: to practice the next day. It was about five of

1257
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 1: us there shouting we forgot we won the championship, Like

1258
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:51,880
Speaker 1: we showed up to go to work. Hey, what you're

1259
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 1: doing here? Side? I was like, oh, I just couldn't

1260
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 1: get something out my locker. Sadly nothing in your locker

1261
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 1: that I was so still in my brain. I have

1262
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 1: to go to practice tomorrow. I got this is the regiment.

1263
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:09,680
Speaker 1: This is even winning it didn't feel real to me.

1264
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:12,920
Speaker 1: It didn't feel done. So when we knew we were

1265
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:16,639
Speaker 1: top of because think about it, they were older, right

1266
01:14:16,920 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 1: and going to and going to the finals every year

1267
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 1: and going to going to the Eastern Conference Finals and

1268
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 1: going to the NBA Finals every single year. Now, when

1269
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 1: I was going to be a Celtic, right that they

1270
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 1: told me, Red told me he was gonna draft me,

1271
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:33,360
Speaker 1: I would come out. I would go to camp there,

1272
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:35,679
Speaker 1: I would, I would. I just knew I was gonna

1273
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 1: be a Celtic. And I would be in the locker

1274
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 1: room and Larry would talk to me and he'd be

1275
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 1: in ice up to here, ice here, ice on the shoulders,

1276
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 1: ice on his neck, ice around his back, and he

1277
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 1: was sitting there like frozen, you know, talking giving a

1278
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 1: part interview. And I'm coming out of you know, in college,

1279
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 1: I don't the only thing I have ices in in

1280
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:05,240
Speaker 1: my in my gatorade. You know, you don't do all yo.

1281
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 1: You don't think you're like man I so far? Oh

1282
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:12,679
Speaker 1: hen about four years and you realize like I looked.

1283
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 1: I looked at the ice punge bathtub yesterday, just just

1284
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 1: just to be out there. What are you gonna give

1285
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 1: him the hot I was sitting in that cold water

1286
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 1: all day right now, How different rest his soul? How

1287
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 1: different would the Celtics have been if Lynn Bias had lived? Yeah,

1288
01:15:30,360 --> 01:15:32,559
Speaker 1: that was my man' I was cau you played against

1289
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 1: him in college. Right. I've been with Lenn since we

1290
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:39,080
Speaker 1: were fifteen. We meet Johnny Dawkins and Lenny Bias. We're

1291
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 1: all gonna go to the same school, Okay, Instead we

1292
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 1: all went to the same conference because Johnny went to Duke,

1293
01:15:45,320 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 1: you went to Tech. He went to Maryland. And this

1294
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 1: is why, because we were all gonna go to Maryland. Okay,

1295
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:54,000
Speaker 1: But Lefty really only won it Lenny, Okay, he was like,

1296
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:55,960
Speaker 1: y'all ain't as good as the guys. I got around

1297
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:57,760
Speaker 1: here and told me I was gonna have to go

1298
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 1: behind it, and Johnny wanted to start, and I wanted

1299
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:05,320
Speaker 1: to start right, so I those are promises. Lenny was

1300
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 1: literally the business. And and they said what would have

1301
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:15,920
Speaker 1: happened with him coming in against Michael was funny? He

1302
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 1: would have been it would have been different. But then

1303
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:20,680
Speaker 1: I started paying attention. Where was Lenny go on to

1304
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:25,559
Speaker 1: play on the Celtics? That that that once I got

1305
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,720
Speaker 1: to that part and started seeing it, DJ, it was

1306
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 1: already corn bread and and McCay going up. So that's

1307
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 1: power for it. Right. Larry's playing small for it, and

1308
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:38,680
Speaker 1: he refuses to take any time off it was just

1309
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 1: it would have been a hard, hard transition. They could

1310
01:16:42,120 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 1: put it, they could pull leaning at the two. Yeah,

1311
01:16:48,160 --> 01:16:53,759
Speaker 1: but I'm telling you he was unbelievable the ACC conference

1312
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:55,800
Speaker 1: all the time. Yeah, you knew he was the real deal.

1313
01:16:55,880 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 1: We went, we were camp Billy it was a guy

1314
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 1: named Billy Thompson play for the Lakers too. He was, yeah,

1315
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 1: number one pick, and uh, We're in camp at five

1316
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:08,439
Speaker 1: star basketball camp. And then I come to Lenny. I

1317
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:10,599
Speaker 1: said he had cut. I said, man, what happened? They said,

1318
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:12,800
Speaker 1: they said you had you had to go into town.

1319
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 1: He said, I took the times in the town first,

1320
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:19,640
Speaker 1: like he said, gave him numbers, and then he hit

1321
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:21,160
Speaker 1: me in the side of my head side, so I

1322
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 1: had to get stitches. He's like, number one pick, like

1323
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 1: that's all he had in his brain. Right. Yeah, he was.

1324
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:29,599
Speaker 1: He was in touch. He was a good brother, man,

1325
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:34,839
Speaker 1: good brother. So you talk about the bad boy Pistons

1326
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 1: and how you guys played Michael and you know, they

1327
01:17:37,479 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 1: wrote a book. Stand Smith wrote a book, and I

1328
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: guess he got some commentary from you and some of

1329
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 1: the other Pistons. What was Chuck Daily rest his soul?

1330
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 1: What was his philosophy? How did you like this? You

1331
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 1: know what is not doing this today against us? Oh?

1332
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:58,719
Speaker 1: When I was Joe, Joe Dumars other but with Chuck

1333
01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 1: and and Isaiah and Bill and Joe Dumars and them,

1334
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:06,839
Speaker 1: they would just sit around. And Chuck's assistant Ronnie Rothstein

1335
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 1: at one time, Karl Malone, I mean Coach Malone and

1336
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 1: uh Kar Malone and Brendan Sir. They just figured, if

1337
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 1: you watch enough film, he passed about one percent bought

1338
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 1: than Kobe. And we know Kobe didn't pass, so we

1339
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:32,599
Speaker 1: knew that if he started going downhill toward the basket,

1340
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 1: he was not gonna find an open man. He's not

1341
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 1: gonna because he didn't trust him. Right. So if he's

1342
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 1: dribbling with his left hand, keep keep him dribbling, keep

1343
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 1: him going that way. And then as soon as he

1344
01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:47,600
Speaker 1: puts his right hand on it, Joe gets back in

1345
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:50,680
Speaker 1: front of him. Everybody get back to your man, and

1346
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:53,200
Speaker 1: if he can shoot over Joe good. But it was

1347
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:55,720
Speaker 1: that mentality. Everybody thought we were supposed to hit him.

1348
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 1: He wasn't supposed to hit him. The deal is inside

1349
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 1: the lane. When men played in the NBA, you you

1350
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 1: me and play. Oh, they don't play that style of

1351
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:11,480
Speaker 1: mall anymore. Oh no, it's detrimental to the to the broadcast.

1352
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 1: But when when you run into that situation when somebody

1353
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 1: comes in the lane, everybody knew you got hit when

1354
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 1: you went in the lange. Yes, that was that was

1355
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:24,760
Speaker 1: just the way the game was played, and the and

1356
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:28,759
Speaker 1: the really the Celtics were the dirty words. We were

1357
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 1: not dirty. They called us bad boys, but we were dirty.

1358
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 1: I don't think so, Yo say y'all were dirty. I

1359
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:39,560
Speaker 1: mean the way y'all didn't come on man, man, you

1360
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 1: bird go up up it. Lamb Beer had no intention

1361
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 1: whatsoever blocking the shot. The man went up and he

1362
01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:49,080
Speaker 1: come out on the man head. If we if I

1363
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 1: know this is a podcast, so we can't afford the footage,

1364
01:19:52,000 --> 01:19:55,840
Speaker 1: but listen. If you see goes up, Dennis Robin's leg

1365
01:19:56,080 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 1: gets caught and he's fallen, which pulls Larry down, which

1366
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 1: pulls Bill down. And Bill thought, Larry, I mean Larry

1367
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:07,600
Speaker 1: thought Bill had done that. And think about it. He

1368
01:20:07,720 --> 01:20:09,680
Speaker 1: punches them two times in the face and throws the

1369
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 1: ball at him, and the ref goes, Larry, Larry, here's

1370
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:14,680
Speaker 1: another ball, Throw another ball out of it. You know

1371
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:18,519
Speaker 1: what I'm saying it's playing against him and Magic. You

1372
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 1: had too many, too many people, But I think they

1373
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:24,479
Speaker 1: were the bad ones. And this is the deal. You

1374
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 1: look at the muscles, right, I played against football players,

1375
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah all the time because they thought, yeah, if

1376
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 1: we played basketball, stage shape and we're gonna run your

1377
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:36,639
Speaker 1: skinny ass over. So I didn't see it the way

1378
01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:38,679
Speaker 1: everybody else. You get out of the way of people

1379
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 1: trying to do that. You use your athleticism there as

1380
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:45,240
Speaker 1: much has been made, I don't care what anybody sins.

1381
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 1: Isaiah Thomas should have been on that ninety two dream team.

1382
01:20:48,400 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 1: I say so too, But where Stocking stop? I listen

1383
01:20:56,720 --> 01:21:00,680
Speaker 1: you talking to the number one Isaiah defender. I think

1384
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:05,720
Speaker 1: I lost jobs defended as that. Oh look when when

1385
01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 1: you guys like, okay, all the time that you guys

1386
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 1: had beaten Michael. Michael was gracious enough in defeat to

1387
01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:16,560
Speaker 1: shake everybody's hand. But what I told well, but what

1388
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:19,880
Speaker 1: I told people, it wasn't Isaiah that started. It was

1389
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,600
Speaker 1: the Celtics. That's right. They actually did not shake you

1390
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:25,400
Speaker 1: guys head when you finally meat nel they left the court.

1391
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 1: Go back and look at that footage. Yeah, but they

1392
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 1: don't this once again. No one wants to hear the truth,

1393
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:34,679
Speaker 1: like the truth, the truth. I wan't enough to remember

1394
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 1: I saw it. The truth messes up the story. So

1395
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 1: I tell you this, though I knew it was a

1396
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 1: bad idea, but Bill Lambill said, hey, let's hand it

1397
01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 1: to him like they handed out something. I gotta give

1398
01:21:47,360 --> 01:21:50,240
Speaker 1: it to Bill. That's the way it had to be.

1399
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,560
Speaker 1: And and you know what, I'm on a on a

1400
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 1: team chat with the Pistons. I'm not rid of any

1401
01:21:56,439 --> 01:22:01,479
Speaker 1: other players because we still had this like you know,

1402
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:04,759
Speaker 1: we ride together, we die together type that. Do you believe?

1403
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:09,640
Speaker 1: Do you believe? That's the reason why Isaiah wasn't on

1404
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:13,560
Speaker 1: the Dream Team was because he didn't shake Scotty and

1405
01:22:13,720 --> 01:22:17,360
Speaker 1: Michael in the guy's hands. And that because they keep saying, well,

1406
01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:19,639
Speaker 1: it wasn't Michael. It seemed to me and that fault

1407
01:22:19,680 --> 01:22:22,400
Speaker 1: called it. Michael made it abundantly clear. Yeah I'm gonna play,

1408
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:26,799
Speaker 1: but such and such can't play. But Michael didn't say it. Remember,

1409
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 1: I think in Magic's documentary he said he had something.

1410
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:35,639
Speaker 1: He did it. I tell you this, Why would Magic

1411
01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 1: do that? Magic beat? No? No, I didn't, I didn't.

1412
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:43,759
Speaker 1: All of it was total misunderstanding, and I know Michael

1413
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 1: didn't say it. And this is why everybody loves Isaiah's game,

1414
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 1: right everybody. So I don't I don't think that they

1415
01:22:54,160 --> 01:22:58,760
Speaker 1: were plays. I think Magic was talking about when he

1416
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 1: was he and I Zia wasn't talking and that kind

1417
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,759
Speaker 1: of thing. I don't know if that was the idea

1418
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 1: and if they could use that Larry Bird magic, you

1419
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 1: know Isaiah thing, they could, But let me tell you,

1420
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:16,479
Speaker 1: I've looked at the squad. Isaiah would have outshine. He

1421
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 1: was short, He had to smile that he was going

1422
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 1: to have the ball this time. As far as haling

1423
01:23:24,200 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 1: the rock right, he was gonna have They in the

1424
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 1: NBA had to sell the new team they had. The

1425
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 1: new team was Karl Malone and John Stockton to the

1426
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 1: point where you know, God rest his soul. David Stern didn't.

1427
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:41,479
Speaker 1: When we want our checking championship, Rod Thorne gave us

1428
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 1: our rings because David had to be in China with

1429
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:52,160
Speaker 1: with Utah Jazz. Like it was. It was bigger than

1430
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 1: what we knew it was about. And I think that's

1431
01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:58,880
Speaker 1: why they did it that way. You were the glue

1432
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:01,559
Speaker 1: gut on a lot of teams. Yeah, kept the locker

1433
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 1: room together. You kept the locker room loose. Role players

1434
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 1: are very, very important. Obviously, the stars get all the credit, rightfully,

1435
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:10,840
Speaker 1: so they do the lion's share of the lifting. They

1436
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:13,120
Speaker 1: get lion's share of the blame when things doesn't go well,

1437
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:14,840
Speaker 1: they get lion's share of the credit when things do

1438
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:17,680
Speaker 1: go well. But if the guys like yourself, I was,

1439
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 1: I was a little better star. I was a little

1440
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 1: but but I was a guy that kept the things going.

1441
01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:24,439
Speaker 1: I was a gate keeper. Was the guy that kept

1442
01:24:24,439 --> 01:24:26,640
Speaker 1: the guys lose, kept the guys laughing, and but make

1443
01:24:26,680 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 1: sure everybody was where they supposed to be and how

1444
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 1: they were supposed to do it. How important do you

1445
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:33,640
Speaker 1: think your role was in the success that you had

1446
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:38,800
Speaker 1: on every team? Detroit, Chicago, La. Oh it was, and

1447
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:42,640
Speaker 1: don't oversee it. Priceless. Don't oversee it. The reason I

1448
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:46,640
Speaker 1: tell you it's priceless is, you know, I didn't know

1449
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 1: what mental health was, right. I just thought I was crazy, right,

1450
01:24:52,280 --> 01:25:00,720
Speaker 1: you know, and adventurous, And so I had guys like

1451
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 1: Willie Burton, who is now a part of the NBA

1452
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:09,400
Speaker 1: Player Association Retired Players mental health situations. I had Glenn Rice,

1453
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 1: who from Flint, Michigan was so laid back and pulled back,

1454
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:18,000
Speaker 1: and and you know, we would go to the movies

1455
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:20,800
Speaker 1: because you know, he didn't he didn't want to be

1456
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:23,560
Speaker 1: around no girls. He was married with kids, and he

1457
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 1: didn't want to He wanted to go to movies. We

1458
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:28,759
Speaker 1: would go to the movies. Do you know we in Houston,

1459
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:32,600
Speaker 1: you know, do you know what goes on? You know?

1460
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 1: So I was around some guys and I got it.

1461
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 1: I remember Devin George had come in and he's older

1462
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:43,680
Speaker 1: than Kobe, and Kobe's Kobe's rookie, and you know, I

1463
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 1: was like, hey, I can do something with you. Yeah,

1464
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 1: And I took him to a place and we got

1465
01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 1: a facial and he was like, what yeah, well those

1466
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:58,400
Speaker 1: black bumps are not freckles. I was saying, like, there's

1467
01:25:58,520 --> 01:26:00,840
Speaker 1: teaching things you have to do to bring guys in.

1468
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:04,559
Speaker 1: There's times where hey, yo, man, let's go to the movies.

1469
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 1: Seven of us, not to strip joint. Let's go, let's

1470
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:13,439
Speaker 1: go eat nine of us, which is never a pro

1471
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 1: team going to eat and laughing and giggling and going.

1472
01:26:20,040 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 1: Like when I was on the Lakers, we won nineteenth

1473
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 1: straight and then we would try it again and we

1474
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:30,759
Speaker 1: were doing yoga on Wednesdays and like just being around

1475
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:35,000
Speaker 1: people and caring for that person, knowing that you know

1476
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 1: what they said in a few good men, would you

1477
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:39,160
Speaker 1: put your life on the line and expect him to

1478
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:41,920
Speaker 1: do the same for you that that that takes, that

1479
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:45,400
Speaker 1: takes something You're gonna You're gonna be the star gets

1480
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 1: all of the credit and all of the blame. Right,

1481
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:52,719
Speaker 1: he gets to take the last shot, Thank god, because

1482
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 1: if you take the last shot, they'd be like, why

1483
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 1: are you to throw the ball to here? You know,

1484
01:26:57,280 --> 01:27:02,320
Speaker 1: so that's they have the of all of the weight

1485
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 1: of everything. So somebody gotta be able to helped him out.

1486
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 1: You have to have a robin to batman. How are

1487
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:11,240
Speaker 1: you able to get the uh? How are you able

1488
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:13,120
Speaker 1: to audition for Bad Boys? And I heard you only

1489
01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:16,960
Speaker 1: received seven hundred bucks. I had last I didn't even audition.

1490
01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:19,120
Speaker 1: I went in and I pissed Martin off because I

1491
01:27:19,160 --> 01:27:20,759
Speaker 1: went there. He was in town, he was in Miami,

1492
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:23,840
Speaker 1: and he introduced me to his new fiance and I

1493
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:26,000
Speaker 1: was like, hey, how are you doing? Oh she fine,

1494
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 1: dash fine, you got a pre nup. Martin was mad.

1495
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:32,599
Speaker 1: We get up and we walk into you no. He's like, man,

1496
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:34,000
Speaker 1: why are you through that in front of my girl

1497
01:27:34,080 --> 01:27:36,720
Speaker 1: and all my friends? Like what you're doing? Man? You

1498
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 1: know you sound man? You gotta you gotta get you

1499
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:41,639
Speaker 1: gotta get a filter. And I was like, get a filter,

1500
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 1: like you better get a pre dup. And he did

1501
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:51,519
Speaker 1: and he thanked me, and he thanked me. So I

1502
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:55,040
Speaker 1: get in and he's mad at me, and I'm like, sorry, man,

1503
01:27:55,120 --> 01:27:56,760
Speaker 1: but you know how I am man. You know she'd

1504
01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:00,120
Speaker 1: be okay, get a pre nup and and I went

1505
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:03,280
Speaker 1: upstairs and Michael Bay had directed my Nike commercial, heard

1506
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:05,840
Speaker 1: him yelling and screaming, and he asked me, was I sag?

1507
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, I sag. You know whatever

1508
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:12,400
Speaker 1: that is? You know what I'm saying. And I had

1509
01:28:12,760 --> 01:28:14,799
Speaker 1: literally was a part of sad because I did commercials

1510
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:16,960
Speaker 1: in Detroit with Chrysler, but I didn't know what that was.

1511
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:20,679
Speaker 1: So he gets me in and then it's four hundred

1512
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 1: and four hundred and seventy six dollars and I don't

1513
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:27,200
Speaker 1: even get it because it goes to my sag. Dudes.

1514
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:29,840
Speaker 1: But I was just happy to be in a movie.

1515
01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:31,640
Speaker 1: I had been prepared my whole life to be an

1516
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:33,679
Speaker 1: actor that your first movie. You were in the first movie.

1517
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:36,519
Speaker 1: But I my whole life, I was preparing to be

1518
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:39,840
Speaker 1: an actor. I had. I kept saying my daughter, Taya,

1519
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:41,640
Speaker 1: who's nineteen, what are you going to take? If you

1520
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 1: want to be an actor? Why not? I wanted to

1521
01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:45,760
Speaker 1: be a doctor. I wanted to be a doctor. Did

1522
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:47,439
Speaker 1: you actually know what you wanted to be when you

1523
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 1: grown up? Which one are your first? Okay? Want to

1524
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 1: be a doctor. I wanted to be a doctor. Okay.

1525
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 1: And then I went into the hospital. It was funny.

1526
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:01,160
Speaker 1: One job Mark Price and I had in summer was

1527
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:06,000
Speaker 1: to go and make sure that this cabin that there's

1528
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:09,000
Speaker 1: a huge cabinet. This guy had was okay, that was

1529
01:29:09,040 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 1: our job. In other words, go hang out for the weekend.

1530
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 1: And he was a radiologist, and I go, what do

1531
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 1: you do? And he goes, oh, you know X rays

1532
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:21,240
Speaker 1: and MRIs and and we got radiology and all that

1533
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:23,439
Speaker 1: different machine. How much you make, Oh, I make two

1534
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:26,960
Speaker 1: thousand dollars an hour. It's nineteen ninety four, eighty four.

1535
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:31,840
Speaker 1: So I automatically wanted to be yea, yeah, I wanted

1536
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:34,360
Speaker 1: that's my job like this, and you're not an athlete.

1537
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:37,800
Speaker 1: That's exactly what I said, like, I'm coming in your joint.

1538
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:40,240
Speaker 1: So I wanted to do that. But then I went

1539
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:44,120
Speaker 1: to Georgia Tech in business and uh, then I went

1540
01:29:44,200 --> 01:29:46,920
Speaker 1: into architecture at Georgia Tech. Then I got out of that,

1541
01:29:47,240 --> 01:29:52,320
Speaker 1: finished with the business degree, and I'm constantly learning. Bro

1542
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:54,800
Speaker 1: I was in Egypt for eleven days. I'm about to

1543
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:58,840
Speaker 1: go to Belize for eleven days. I was in Costa

1544
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 1: Rica for twenty eight days. I mean, when you these places, so,

1545
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Is they're like a retreat or

1546
01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 1: you like the holistic? I mean, what are you you?

1547
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 1: You you're finding who John Sally is? Oh, it's a

1548
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:14,600
Speaker 1: traveling I say, I was gonna do a job. I

1549
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:18,320
Speaker 1: literally go to find out true. So like so, I'm

1550
01:30:18,360 --> 01:30:23,599
Speaker 1: a certified health coach Vegan. I can prescribe or literally

1551
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:26,080
Speaker 1: know what herbs work on certain parts of your body.

1552
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:32,599
Speaker 1: I I'm I do yoga, I breathe, I understand things.

1553
01:30:32,680 --> 01:30:35,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hope you're breathing. Yeah man, yeah, I don't

1554
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:39,360
Speaker 1: know pr yeah yeah, but I know how to try

1555
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 1: to extend my life. That's if you ask me what

1556
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 1: I'm trying to do. I'm trying to extend my hollow

1557
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:47,679
Speaker 1: you want to live. My mother lived in ninety six,

1558
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:50,040
Speaker 1: and I just went to the funeral of a friend, Jack,

1559
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:53,320
Speaker 1: who lived in ninety eight. My uncle just turned ninety

1560
01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:55,120
Speaker 1: four a couple of weeks ago. Why you want to

1561
01:30:55,160 --> 01:30:58,439
Speaker 1: live at Longe just so I can outlive it. You

1562
01:30:58,520 --> 01:30:59,840
Speaker 1: want to be brag you want to brag it right,

1563
01:30:59,920 --> 01:31:01,640
Speaker 1: I live along the hill. I live like it when

1564
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 1: I get back, and then when I get to the

1565
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:05,280
Speaker 1: other side, they'd be like, you stupid boy. We was

1566
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:11,280
Speaker 1: over here chilling with all these girls. I don't know, man,

1567
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 1: I think I wanna I love life. And I went

1568
01:31:15,600 --> 01:31:18,240
Speaker 1: to h Sri Lanka. I told my daughter this in

1569
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:21,400
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. I was in Saint Martin and she and

1570
01:31:21,479 --> 01:31:26,000
Speaker 1: I were sitting on the patio looking at this beautiful place,

1571
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:31,560
Speaker 1: smoking a Dubie abduced is twenty two, and I said this,

1572
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:33,680
Speaker 1: You're never gonna see this again. Because they said the

1573
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 1: hurricane was coming. I said, this is about I said,

1574
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:37,880
Speaker 1: they don't really. I said, this is gonna be really big.

1575
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:40,559
Speaker 1: We're on the last flight out of Saint Martin before

1576
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:43,960
Speaker 1: it destroys the place. And then she and I go

1577
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:46,680
Speaker 1: to Sri Lanka and we're there for eleven days, and

1578
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:51,760
Speaker 1: I'm thinking this is way better than when I was

1579
01:31:51,920 --> 01:31:54,599
Speaker 1: visiting the India. Now you can't go to Sri Lanka.

1580
01:31:54,720 --> 01:31:57,160
Speaker 1: So life is fleeting, bro, and I just like to

1581
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:00,680
Speaker 1: I love it and I try to keep it going.

1582
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:02,920
Speaker 1: You look at Martin and do you like Willis Mill

1583
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:04,760
Speaker 1: did Chris rock when you talked about that, talked about it,

1584
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:06,599
Speaker 1: talk about get the pre nub. That's been really sad.

1585
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:10,880
Speaker 1: I would uh, It's so funny. When I watched you

1586
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:13,439
Speaker 1: and you said you wish he wouldn't hit you, you

1587
01:32:13,479 --> 01:32:18,760
Speaker 1: would have responded, Man, at what at what place? At what?

1588
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:22,720
Speaker 1: At what have you ever been? A black man can

1589
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 1: slap another black man? He just like and carry over.

1590
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:29,519
Speaker 1: I don't even want to answer that. But I feel

1591
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:34,240
Speaker 1: Chris did the complete right thing. Yeah, Chris, Chris did.

1592
01:32:34,840 --> 01:32:37,439
Speaker 1: Chris did not me, and I'm gonna do the wrong thing.

1593
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:41,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna whip his ass, I know. But then you

1594
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:44,240
Speaker 1: know he had on his good shoes. You missed one slip,

1595
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:48,080
Speaker 1: then you're embarrassing. But that probably about mean. Look, I

1596
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:50,320
Speaker 1: get people go through a lot of things, and people

1597
01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:52,120
Speaker 1: he probably got a lot of stuff on his mind

1598
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:54,479
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I get it. I get it.

1599
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:56,479
Speaker 1: We all got stuff. We all got stuff that you know.

1600
01:32:56,680 --> 01:32:58,360
Speaker 1: Man Hey said it, if he wouldn't hit you, you

1601
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:03,720
Speaker 1: wouldn't you have you able to grab him? And said, bruh, Well,

1602
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:06,479
Speaker 1: first of all, when you say you here's the thing, Sally,

1603
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:09,640
Speaker 1: you know, don't lean forward when somebody no, no, if

1604
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:11,640
Speaker 1: you you making a joke and you see somebody get

1605
01:33:11,720 --> 01:33:13,880
Speaker 1: up and walk from a distance and they start, I've

1606
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:18,040
Speaker 1: already thought, okay, he gonna hit me, so there's no

1607
01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:21,000
Speaker 1: other thing. He ain't gonna whispering in my ear. Nah nah,

1608
01:33:21,479 --> 01:33:23,840
Speaker 1: But you let the man walk up on you. We

1609
01:33:24,040 --> 01:33:27,040
Speaker 1: just said walk upon you. White food got a big

1610
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:33,599
Speaker 1: eye right now. So I don't know you, but Shatton

1611
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:36,240
Speaker 1: is making me make those jokes. You you acted with

1612
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:40,200
Speaker 1: Whoopie Goldberg, she got a movie coming out teal By

1613
01:33:40,240 --> 01:33:43,920
Speaker 1: the Imatial Store, Kevin Harts and No Lathan. Who haven't

1614
01:33:43,960 --> 01:33:45,880
Speaker 1: you worked with that you would like to work with?

1615
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:51,519
Speaker 1: Kill shot shot? I think it would be funny. Yeah, yeah,

1616
01:33:51,600 --> 01:33:54,320
Speaker 1: you think us two big tall people. I did a

1617
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 1: movie called The Ultimate Christmas Present when I was a

1618
01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:59,160
Speaker 1: seventh foot elf and I thought it was funny, right,

1619
01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:02,680
Speaker 1: And I think because you know, I just think it

1620
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:04,840
Speaker 1: would be a funny thing. If I was one actor

1621
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:09,720
Speaker 1: I could work with, it would be The Rock or

1622
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:14,600
Speaker 1: Kevin Hard because they get movies made right. And to

1623
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:17,240
Speaker 1: the point where The rockets a movie. I think he

1624
01:34:17,360 --> 01:34:19,719
Speaker 1: got four movies a year for the next five years.

1625
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:22,880
Speaker 1: Like this cat gets movies made. When they say, hey,

1626
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:24,880
Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do and they sign off,

1627
01:34:25,240 --> 01:34:29,559
Speaker 1: they make that movie, right. So that's somebody I would love.

1628
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:33,400
Speaker 1: I mean, they have that kind of work load. Yeah, yeah,

1629
01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:36,760
Speaker 1: it's it's busy, but if that's what you want to do. Like,

1630
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:40,320
Speaker 1: I never ever had practice. Everybody was like, man, you

1631
01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:43,400
Speaker 1: went to practice. I never had practice, right, I was

1632
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:45,280
Speaker 1: gonna do that whether I was at practice or not.

1633
01:34:45,760 --> 01:34:48,280
Speaker 1: I was gonna play and try to try to dog somebody.

1634
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 1: So I love doing what I do. I've never had it.

1635
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:57,920
Speaker 1: You're you're great friends with Eddie Murphy. Mike Tyson used

1636
01:34:57,960 --> 01:35:00,360
Speaker 1: to I used to hang when I came my head

1637
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:04,240
Speaker 1: with Eddie. Wasn't Eddy like because he seemed like he

1638
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:08,000
Speaker 1: real quiet, he real like like he's so funny. Yeah

1639
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:11,360
Speaker 1: he's quiet and it's funny you do something? Is he

1640
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:13,400
Speaker 1: like that? I know what he's like on stage? I

1641
01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:15,880
Speaker 1: know what he's like on camera, but sometimes when people

1642
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:18,120
Speaker 1: are off camera, they're not on stage, they're not like

1643
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:20,920
Speaker 1: what they are on stage. Your own camera. How is

1644
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:24,200
Speaker 1: he when he's Eddie Murphy but they're no there's no

1645
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:26,120
Speaker 1: cameras around, just him hanging out with this home. Oh

1646
01:35:26,200 --> 01:35:29,280
Speaker 1: he was calm, laid back. I took Isaiah to his house, right,

1647
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:32,000
Speaker 1: So I said, Yo, you gotta you gotta come over

1648
01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:35,639
Speaker 1: here at me. Eddie Man so me and Billy Diamond,

1649
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:37,920
Speaker 1: so we get it was the first time I meet

1650
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:41,400
Speaker 1: Heavy D, Heavy D and I became best friends instantly, right,

1651
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:45,640
Speaker 1: and so Heavy's over there and he looks at and

1652
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:48,400
Speaker 1: he goes, you're not that much taller than me. He goes,

1653
01:35:49,479 --> 01:35:53,360
Speaker 1: come on. He puts chess and Isaiah looked at me

1654
01:35:53,439 --> 01:35:59,320
Speaker 1: and ahead Eddie beats him in three moves. Isaiah looks

1655
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:00,920
Speaker 1: at me. I said, man, you better cut that out.

1656
01:36:01,200 --> 01:36:04,439
Speaker 1: Put him back. And now Isaiah gets his competitive way

1657
01:36:04,479 --> 01:36:07,160
Speaker 1: he is. He said, Uh, what else I aint gonna

1658
01:36:07,160 --> 01:36:09,320
Speaker 1: play in basketball? I got a bowling alley. Let's go.

1659
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:12,400
Speaker 1: I got a pool. I gotta I gotta table. I

1660
01:36:12,439 --> 01:36:15,879
Speaker 1: got a pool table. Let's go. You got dice. Isaiah

1661
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:19,519
Speaker 1: was on it instantly like I ain't letting you beat me, bro.

1662
01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:21,960
Speaker 1: So that was you know, if they would have had

1663
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:23,760
Speaker 1: paper and pen, it would have been tik tac toe.

1664
01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:27,000
Speaker 1: I loved that about Eddie and then Mike Man. Mike

1665
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:31,680
Speaker 1: was so deep younger when he wasn't doing drugs and

1666
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:34,599
Speaker 1: wasn't he was being pulled by all these different people.

1667
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:38,160
Speaker 1: He was so young. It was so happening. But life was,

1668
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:40,479
Speaker 1: like I said, it was moving so fast. You wake up,

1669
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:42,080
Speaker 1: you in it. You wake up You're still in it.

1670
01:36:42,200 --> 01:36:44,920
Speaker 1: You wake up you in it. So but Mike has

1671
01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:48,200
Speaker 1: become an unbelievable philosophy. I went to see him in prison,

1672
01:36:49,120 --> 01:36:50,760
Speaker 1: did you Yeah? I was one of the people went

1673
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:53,320
Speaker 1: to see him in prison. I'm gonna give you, but

1674
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:57,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give CJ the picture so you can see it.

1675
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:02,760
Speaker 1: How did up kid from New York end up in

1676
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:09,840
Speaker 1: Atlanta at Georgia Tech? All right, very simple one. I

1677
01:37:09,960 --> 01:37:17,639
Speaker 1: had the grades. You know that player? Uh? I did

1678
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:22,920
Speaker 1: I visit? You visit? I get on the plane, the

1679
01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:26,320
Speaker 1: Lanta Hawks get on. They in first class, and you know,

1680
01:37:26,439 --> 01:37:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm like anybody, I'm just staring at him. They get

1681
01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:31,640
Speaker 1: on the plane. I win number twenty. I want to

1682
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:33,960
Speaker 1: wear number twenty two. John Jews right there. He don't

1683
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:36,439
Speaker 1: even know that I know who he is. He ain't

1684
01:37:36,439 --> 01:37:39,160
Speaker 1: even carrying his bag. Some rookies carrying his bag. I'm like, oh,

1685
01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:42,919
Speaker 1: that's pimp. I get off. It was a black flight attendant.

1686
01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:47,640
Speaker 1: A guy with a red jacket met me. Black. We

1687
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:51,200
Speaker 1: get downstairs. The coach picked me up, Coach Felton, he's white.

1688
01:37:51,439 --> 01:37:53,640
Speaker 1: The guy to grab my bag is black. I get

1689
01:37:53,680 --> 01:37:55,880
Speaker 1: out to the wich, called he's black. I get to

1690
01:37:56,000 --> 01:38:01,320
Speaker 1: the hotel downtown. The lady behind the cash and big

1691
01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:04,439
Speaker 1: beautiful places black. I get upstairs, called my mother, So

1692
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:07,360
Speaker 1: I'm going to Georgia Tech. She goes, how's the school?

1693
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:09,320
Speaker 1: I said, I don't know, but black people got jobs.

1694
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:15,400
Speaker 1: That's how I ended up. And then they told me

1695
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:20,880
Speaker 1: it was seventeen women and everyone man and twenty five

1696
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:25,240
Speaker 1: women everyone straight man, So you straight. He and I

1697
01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:29,840
Speaker 1: went straight to Spellman, straight to eight Center, straight to

1698
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:32,559
Speaker 1: the club, straight to the Magic City. I was straight.

1699
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:34,599
Speaker 1: What was your favorite thing about Atlanta? What was your

1700
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:37,080
Speaker 1: favorite thing? I mean, because New York is so different

1701
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:40,280
Speaker 1: than Atlanta. I mean, Atlanta's Atlanta's grown so much, but

1702
01:38:40,439 --> 01:38:43,240
Speaker 1: it's the South. Yeah, what's your favorite thing about Atlanta?

1703
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:45,120
Speaker 1: What's your favorite thing about the South? It's it's the

1704
01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:48,160
Speaker 1: Southern swag man. When I got there, I was part

1705
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:52,040
Speaker 1: of that New York New wave nineteen eighty two. Right,

1706
01:38:52,360 --> 01:38:54,920
Speaker 1: So I'm walking with a keno and a big name

1707
01:38:55,040 --> 01:38:57,920
Speaker 1: plate with a chip tooth pumas on. You know what

1708
01:38:57,920 --> 01:39:03,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like I hip hop is right about? Hip

1709
01:39:03,280 --> 01:39:05,280
Speaker 1: hop is nine years old when I get there, right,

1710
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:07,840
Speaker 1: do you understand? So I'm part of that New York

1711
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:11,800
Speaker 1: wave that hit Atlanta and started going to school at

1712
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 1: that joint. I'm with Spike. You know what I'm saying.

1713
01:39:14,439 --> 01:39:19,600
Speaker 1: I'm it's we we We're loving the simplicity. And I

1714
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:23,519
Speaker 1: think it's a Cicada Bucks because if you've never heard them,

1715
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:26,439
Speaker 1: once you go to Atlanta, you cannot hear it, and

1716
01:39:26,520 --> 01:39:30,080
Speaker 1: then if you leave, you look for it. So I

1717
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:32,880
Speaker 1: think it's I think it's that rhythm in Atlanta and

1718
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:36,320
Speaker 1: they just keep getting finer and find women that is

1719
01:39:37,320 --> 01:39:40,639
Speaker 1: finer and finer and finer every year. I think that's

1720
01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:45,519
Speaker 1: what it is in Atlanta. Dang the bb IL. What

1721
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:47,400
Speaker 1: was your when you when you got your money? What

1722
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:55,719
Speaker 1: was the first thing you bought. I didn't get the money.

1723
01:39:57,000 --> 01:39:59,639
Speaker 1: I did the worst deal. I didn't get a signing bonus.

1724
01:40:00,479 --> 01:40:03,519
Speaker 1: Who your agent? You know, David Folks and that and

1725
01:40:03,600 --> 01:40:06,800
Speaker 1: this is where it's where that he out of all.

1726
01:40:07,240 --> 01:40:09,360
Speaker 1: When I look back at it, I didn't get a

1727
01:40:09,439 --> 01:40:12,200
Speaker 1: sign of bonus. And I think about that, he goes

1728
01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:14,080
Speaker 1: you don't want to own. Oh, I didn't know what

1729
01:40:14,160 --> 01:40:16,760
Speaker 1: it was. What it was is they did a deal

1730
01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:19,720
Speaker 1: because Adrian Danley was now going to be in a

1731
01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:22,200
Speaker 1: piston and all that money went to a d and

1732
01:40:22,200 --> 01:40:24,240
Speaker 1: didn't give me a sign of bonus. So I was

1733
01:40:24,320 --> 01:40:27,439
Speaker 1: a sacrificial lab. They got, hey, we got this rookie,

1734
01:40:27,560 --> 01:40:30,000
Speaker 1: and you can take a D and on this piece, right,

1735
01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:33,160
Speaker 1: what's the best purchase you what's the best and the

1736
01:40:33,200 --> 01:40:35,720
Speaker 1: worst purchase you made? And you're in, you're playing. You

1737
01:40:38,439 --> 01:40:40,519
Speaker 1: didn't buy Mercedes because you know, you know, I got

1738
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:45,000
Speaker 1: a BMW black Man's wish I got. I love my

1739
01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:48,880
Speaker 1: BMW two, but got it. No, it was L seven.

1740
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:52,479
Speaker 1: It was a brand new interior to it too. It

1741
01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:57,439
Speaker 1: was dope. But none of none of those things were

1742
01:40:58,479 --> 01:41:02,360
Speaker 1: smart or good to me. That's a ap a patphile

1743
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:09,240
Speaker 1: ap okay. Vinnie Johnson had a partephile. It was seventy

1744
01:41:09,280 --> 01:41:13,000
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars and I could not believe in nineteen

1745
01:41:13,120 --> 01:41:16,519
Speaker 1: eighty six you paid seventy two just to tell Time

1746
01:41:16,640 --> 01:41:22,160
Speaker 1: what the watch is worth now probably a million. You

1747
01:41:22,280 --> 01:41:26,760
Speaker 1: understand what I'm saying. So I none of that. Those things,

1748
01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:32,800
Speaker 1: I think. I think the best thing I purchased was

1749
01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:36,840
Speaker 1: a home for my mother and father, and and I

1750
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:39,839
Speaker 1: got my mom in the house and my dad a Lincoln,

1751
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:42,680
Speaker 1: my favorite thing I've ever given him. He had this

1752
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:46,080
Speaker 1: light blue Lincoln. It was half with the blue leather

1753
01:41:46,200 --> 01:41:49,840
Speaker 1: on the blue leather on the top, dark blue sun roof.

1754
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:53,760
Speaker 1: They had to cut it in redo it these cushioned seats. Yeah,

1755
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:57,320
Speaker 1: the christ Velo, you know he had. I had him spokes.

1756
01:41:57,400 --> 01:42:01,320
Speaker 1: I had him put the curb findings on it. Yeah. Man.

1757
01:42:01,680 --> 01:42:03,840
Speaker 1: He My brother showed up. He just kept looking at

1758
01:42:03,880 --> 01:42:05,679
Speaker 1: He says, yeah, Johnny said this for you. He drove

1759
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:08,240
Speaker 1: it from Detroit. He may He called me. He said, boy,

1760
01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:10,720
Speaker 1: I love you, man, he said. My mother's like yeah,

1761
01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:13,880
Speaker 1: He's like all right, give me the keys. And I

1762
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:17,439
Speaker 1: don't think they saw off for three days. That I

1763
01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:21,040
Speaker 1: was my favorite. My favorite purchase was getting my father

1764
01:42:21,160 --> 01:42:26,640
Speaker 1: his Lincoln, if you could. If Adam Silver asked you

1765
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:28,360
Speaker 1: to come back and says, I want you to talk

1766
01:42:28,360 --> 01:42:32,200
Speaker 1: to the players about some of the pitfalls that could

1767
01:42:32,240 --> 01:42:36,400
Speaker 1: possibly happen to an NBA player, as far as women, finances,

1768
01:42:36,479 --> 01:42:39,000
Speaker 1: things of that nature. What are some of the things

1769
01:42:39,040 --> 01:42:41,920
Speaker 1: that you would tell today's players, I offered, because I

1770
01:42:42,200 --> 01:42:45,599
Speaker 1: went one time, when they do the the supposed mission,

1771
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:50,320
Speaker 1: it's not it's not good because it became it became sponsored.

1772
01:42:51,040 --> 01:42:54,479
Speaker 1: So you can't tell them the truth. Bro, Yeah right,

1773
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:57,840
Speaker 1: they don't want the truth, right, they want to they

1774
01:42:57,880 --> 01:43:06,120
Speaker 1: don't want the truth. I would bring in it sounds funny.

1775
01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:13,559
Speaker 1: I would bring in girls who lived a life who

1776
01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:17,720
Speaker 1: were on that side of tricking players and all that,

1777
01:43:18,640 --> 01:43:23,560
Speaker 1: and then I would I would literally bring in insurance

1778
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:28,000
Speaker 1: people to explain how money works. That's it. If if, if,

1779
01:43:28,240 --> 01:43:30,240
Speaker 1: if I would have had I have a cool guy

1780
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:33,800
Speaker 1: named dal Cohen. Dal Cohen looked out for me and

1781
01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:37,599
Speaker 1: been looking at me since two thousand and two. If

1782
01:43:38,439 --> 01:43:41,439
Speaker 1: if you don't have one of those cats like I

1783
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:44,559
Speaker 1: don't think Kareem had one, but Will Chamberlin had three.

1784
01:43:44,880 --> 01:43:48,760
Speaker 1: Will Chamlin had three guys that would dinosaur for him.

1785
01:43:49,800 --> 01:43:51,880
Speaker 1: Is why he was in a good position, and it's

1786
01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:54,639
Speaker 1: kind of hard man. Somebody said, if I go to college,

1787
01:43:54,680 --> 01:43:56,519
Speaker 1: what are you going to major in? I say, finance.

1788
01:43:57,920 --> 01:44:02,880
Speaker 1: It's the only region you should get only degree. Well,

1789
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:07,519
Speaker 1: remember I was smart, ye, so, and it wasn't that.

1790
01:44:07,680 --> 01:44:10,840
Speaker 1: I just have a photographic memory, so I would I

1791
01:44:10,960 --> 01:44:13,559
Speaker 1: remember what I saw. I never missed class either. I'm

1792
01:44:13,600 --> 01:44:15,599
Speaker 1: looking at your one of your original investments. You were

1793
01:44:15,680 --> 01:44:18,680
Speaker 1: one of the original investors and beyond me, don't be

1794
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:21,599
Speaker 1: telling my business. And you invested back in two thousand

1795
01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:24,439
Speaker 1: and nine. Don't be knowing if I could have. And

1796
01:44:24,560 --> 01:44:26,559
Speaker 1: let me tell you you when you had invested more.

1797
01:44:27,000 --> 01:44:30,880
Speaker 1: Not only that, there was this this dude that had

1798
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:36,760
Speaker 1: nahs was knowing about Uber and man, this model put

1799
01:44:36,840 --> 01:44:39,599
Speaker 1: me on almost set her name. This model in Toronto

1800
01:44:39,680 --> 01:44:42,840
Speaker 1: put me on Uber. And she goes, you hear about this?

1801
01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:44,720
Speaker 1: And I go no, And she goes watch this, and

1802
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:46,920
Speaker 1: she picked up her phone and boom, boom boom. And

1803
01:44:47,040 --> 01:44:50,599
Speaker 1: we were sitting around and were eating and she goes, oh, yeah,

1804
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:53,439
Speaker 1: they're here. I said, what do you mean. She goes, oh,

1805
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:56,559
Speaker 1: this is called Uber and it's better than a taxi

1806
01:44:57,040 --> 01:44:58,600
Speaker 1: and it's this and it's this and it's this. I

1807
01:44:58,640 --> 01:45:01,720
Speaker 1: didn't know about investing it, but they let nads No.

1808
01:45:03,320 --> 01:45:05,719
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant supposed to be it's worth a billion dollars

1809
01:45:06,479 --> 01:45:09,680
Speaker 1: like this dude keeps he was invested in Postmates. I

1810
01:45:10,520 --> 01:45:14,479
Speaker 1: have an app called do You Tip? The literal dude

1811
01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:16,680
Speaker 1: the letter you Tip. And the reason I did that

1812
01:45:17,160 --> 01:45:19,639
Speaker 1: is I started paying attention to where the world is going.

1813
01:45:20,520 --> 01:45:26,960
Speaker 1: I bank at a famous celebrity bank in Encino, then

1814
01:45:27,000 --> 01:45:30,000
Speaker 1: not paying me, so I don't say the name. If

1815
01:45:30,040 --> 01:45:32,040
Speaker 1: you want sponsorship, you can know where to go to.

1816
01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:36,080
Speaker 1: And for fourteen years I've been going to this bank, right,

1817
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:39,360
Speaker 1: and I always see this wonderful lady from Venezuela, and

1818
01:45:39,439 --> 01:45:41,240
Speaker 1: she got long hair. I always tell her how beautiful

1819
01:45:41,240 --> 01:45:43,640
Speaker 1: he has. Oh, mommy, you're looking great today. Thank you

1820
01:45:44,080 --> 01:45:47,519
Speaker 1: by being at the other day, I pulled out and

1821
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:50,960
Speaker 1: it was a machine. Then it hit me. In two

1822
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:53,599
Speaker 1: thousand and two, I was in Monte Carlo. I'm sorry,

1823
01:45:53,720 --> 01:45:59,840
Speaker 1: Portofino and what's in Italy? And I rent a car,

1824
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:01,600
Speaker 1: I go up to the thing and there's nobody to

1825
01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:04,680
Speaker 1: hand my money too. And I got the ticket that

1826
01:46:04,840 --> 01:46:08,320
Speaker 1: blowing me, calling me names all kinds of stuff and Italian.

1827
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:11,080
Speaker 1: You have to go back, put your card in and

1828
01:46:11,160 --> 01:46:13,600
Speaker 1: take your credit card, pay and then come back and

1829
01:46:13,800 --> 01:46:17,080
Speaker 1: leave me saying that to you now, I was like, yeah,

1830
01:46:17,120 --> 01:46:19,240
Speaker 1: that's how you do it, But in two thousand and two,

1831
01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:22,320
Speaker 1: that's not how we've done it in America. So they

1832
01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:24,840
Speaker 1: When I played in Greece in nineteen ninety six, I

1833
01:46:24,920 --> 01:46:27,439
Speaker 1: had a Eckerson phone. If I was thirsty and went

1834
01:46:27,479 --> 01:46:29,400
Speaker 1: to a Coca Cola machine, I would point it at

1835
01:46:29,479 --> 01:46:32,599
Speaker 1: it and push zero and that I would get a drink.

1836
01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:36,719
Speaker 1: So I think technology is moving. I'm in a company

1837
01:46:36,760 --> 01:46:41,920
Speaker 1: now called iken I k N and he's figured out

1838
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:45,320
Speaker 1: how to literally make a holograph. He figured out how

1839
01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:47,360
Speaker 1: to bend light. We've been trying to bend light since

1840
01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:50,120
Speaker 1: the beginning of the time. I just now look at

1841
01:46:50,240 --> 01:46:54,240
Speaker 1: things that I say, what are we gonna need? Everything

1842
01:46:54,360 --> 01:46:57,439
Speaker 1: is going digital. So last night I was at a

1843
01:46:57,560 --> 01:47:00,479
Speaker 1: Swan bitcoin event. A Swan is a play you take

1844
01:47:00,680 --> 01:47:04,040
Speaker 1: bitcoin money into. I wound up getting a Blue Moon

1845
01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 1: wallet because it's happening. Your money is going to be crypto.

1846
01:47:12,040 --> 01:47:15,040
Speaker 1: It's it's happening. Whether people want it to or not,

1847
01:47:15,680 --> 01:47:21,040
Speaker 1: it's happening. So it's kind of like integration. They didn't

1848
01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:23,840
Speaker 1: want it to happen, but it happened. No matter how

1849
01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:26,800
Speaker 1: much you booing, whatever, you gotta get your football team

1850
01:47:26,840 --> 01:47:32,880
Speaker 1: to win, integration has to happen, right anyway. That was

1851
01:47:32,960 --> 01:47:37,680
Speaker 1: for myself and those who know history. So all I

1852
01:47:37,800 --> 01:47:41,080
Speaker 1: do is look at technology. Where's it going? How's it going?

1853
01:47:41,479 --> 01:47:43,240
Speaker 1: How do I get in from the beginning of it?

1854
01:47:44,760 --> 01:47:47,280
Speaker 1: Don't worry. I got you shouting. I got I'm gonna

1855
01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:49,599
Speaker 1: have you, man, I'm gonna have you. I would be straight.

1856
01:47:49,640 --> 01:47:52,160
Speaker 1: I would be I want to go to Portofino to travel.

1857
01:47:52,439 --> 01:47:54,560
Speaker 1: You do, and let me tell you. I got the

1858
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:56,080
Speaker 1: money to travel. I got the money to go down

1859
01:47:56,120 --> 01:47:59,400
Speaker 1: to en see Obedo, go to go to what's that?

1860
01:48:00,280 --> 01:48:03,400
Speaker 1: Do it the way I do it? You did invite it? Yeah,

1861
01:48:03,439 --> 01:48:06,719
Speaker 1: but I don't know about it's in fighting. Shoot shout

1862
01:48:07,800 --> 01:48:10,120
Speaker 1: Santa bar I go to I got Santa Barbara money.

1863
01:48:10,840 --> 01:48:12,880
Speaker 1: It's too cold for me. That's the kind of money

1864
01:48:12,880 --> 01:48:15,479
Speaker 1: I got. Malibu. Got money to go to Malibu. I

1865
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:17,960
Speaker 1: gotbody to go to the Montown. I used to have

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01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:20,840
Speaker 1: money to go to Mali. But dig bait, have you

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01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:25,679
Speaker 1: ever have you ever been obviously in Malibu? No? Okay,

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01:48:26,120 --> 01:48:31,479
Speaker 1: So you've been to a noble No, say word, you

1869
01:48:31,720 --> 01:48:33,800
Speaker 1: never been to noble. I've never been to noble. You

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01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:35,960
Speaker 1: you're lying right now. Your nose is big, but it's

1871
01:48:35,960 --> 01:48:40,599
Speaker 1: getting bigger. I've never been a noble really no, Okay,

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01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:44,080
Speaker 1: above it is this bar lounge called Ivy. I got

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01:48:44,360 --> 01:48:46,800
Speaker 1: I got so I barely grill money. Ain't got noble money.

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01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:50,560
Speaker 1: I got no noble, which you said, Okay, we go

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01:48:50,680 --> 01:48:57,240
Speaker 1: there noble, that would I'd be saying, oh my god,

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01:48:57,280 --> 01:48:59,880
Speaker 1: I go in there and just laugh and I go,

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01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:03,519
Speaker 1: oh man, I couldn't afford her her injections. Yeah, let

1878
01:49:03,600 --> 01:49:07,080
Speaker 1: her little breast like you got forty thousand dollars brash

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01:49:07,200 --> 01:49:09,559
Speaker 1: right there. Who can't afford it? Now? See that's why

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01:49:09,560 --> 01:49:14,880
Speaker 1: I say I can't go there. Yeah, too bad for you, Sally.

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01:49:15,400 --> 01:49:18,200
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Bro, keep representing us to make you

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01:49:18,280 --> 01:49:21,400
Speaker 1: look thank you. Definitely. All my life and grinding all

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01:49:21,439 --> 01:49:26,799
Speaker 1: my life, sacrifice, hustle, Bady Price, wanna slice? Got the broller?

1884
01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:29,400
Speaker 1: Dice to swap all my life. I've been grinding all

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01:49:29,439 --> 01:49:34,479
Speaker 1: my life, all my life, the grounding, all my life, sacrifice, hustle,

1886
01:49:34,520 --> 01:49:37,760
Speaker 1: baby Price and want a slice? Got the broller dice

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01:49:37,880 --> 01:49:40,120
Speaker 1: to swap all my life. I've been grinding all my

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01:49:40,240 --> 01:49:40,479
Speaker 1: life