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Speaker 1: Hey folks, and popping up with a wee warning before

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Speaker 1: we get into the podcast for the last time. Like

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Speaker 1: episode one, this episode of the Missing Sister contains themes

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Speaker 1: of death, murder and suicide. Please listen with care for

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Speaker 1: the victims and for yourself. Let's go back in time

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Speaker 1: to April twenty twenty five. We're in France where Israel

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Speaker 1: United in Christ has been operating for almost six years,

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Speaker 1: but something is about to change. The organization is being banned.

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Speaker 1: Translated into English, the official decree signed by President Emmanuel

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Speaker 1: Macron reads IUIC provokes violent acts and propagates ideas tending

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Speaker 1: to justify encouraging hatred, violence and discrimination against women, homosexuals,

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Speaker 1: followers of other religions, and people who are not black.

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Speaker 1: It goes on to point out iuic's anti Semitism, it's Islamophobia,

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Speaker 1: and the fact that this legislation is urgent due to

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Speaker 1: iuic's active attempts to recruit more young members. How does

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Speaker 1: our UC respond. They say that they have never incited

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Speaker 1: violence against women, children, LGBT people, or other communities. They

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Speaker 1: say that the people who've ruled against them are hypocrites

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Speaker 1: and racists, as there are other religious organizations in France

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Speaker 1: that have advocated for worse things than they have. They

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Speaker 1: essentially say that the people who made the decree are devils,

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Speaker 1: and Bishop Nathaniel, the head of the organization, says this,

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Speaker 1: We're going underground.

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Speaker 2: We're going inc You ain't gonna know IUIC, You ain't

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Speaker 3: You going deep underground.

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Speaker 4: So France, you don't know what you could have monitored

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Speaker 4: us before. Now you have no monitor.

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Speaker 3: You ain't gonna know who's who.

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Speaker 1: In France, the government has determined that iu SEE is

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Speaker 1: dangerous enough to be dissolved, but that dissolution has not

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Speaker 1: broken them. By their own admission, it has only driven

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Speaker 1: time again in history, underground doesn't mean gone from free turn.

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Speaker 1: I'm Charlie Brinker's cuff and this is the Missing Sister,

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Speaker 1: Episode six, The Remembrance. We're back in the studio and

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting opposite someone who I didn't ever think i'd

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Speaker 1: meet in real life. We've spoken once before on the phone,

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Speaker 1: six years ago, and this year I got back in

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Speaker 1: touch with her to tell her this podcast had finally

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Speaker 1: been commissioned and that i'd like her to be part

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Speaker 1: of the conversation. After six months of contemplation, she's finally here.

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Speaker 2: My name's dion I'm forty years old and of from

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Speaker 1: Dion Morgan is Joy's oldest sister. She's wearing red lipstick

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Speaker 1: There's anticipation in the air because we're here to talk

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Speaker 5: And I understand that for Dionne.

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Speaker 1: This is going to be hard, painful, But first I

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Speaker 2: I hate being a victim for them being like, oh

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Speaker 2: poor you. It's not poor me anything. Life is life

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Speaker 2: So you always felt like that, we don't want to

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Speaker 1: She's currently training to be a mental health nurse.

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Speaker 2: I've always wanted to get him in a health nurse

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Speaker 2: in I've been in that dark place even before anything

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Speaker 1: Dion's a little guarded and holds a lot in. She

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Speaker 1: building relationships, especially around sensitive topics, takes time, but slowly

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Speaker 1: Like Joy, she grew up mostly in Battersea, raised by

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Speaker 1: The fact that Dianna is here speaking to me so

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Speaker 1: Dionne vividly remembers what her sister was like as a baby.

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Speaker 1: She had a pillow that she would carry around with

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Speaker 1: And in terms of her personality when she was older,

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Speaker 1: And now we get to the more difficult stuff. How

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Speaker 1: Why it happened. Dion confirms that there were a series

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Speaker 2: He wasn't the best of dads. That was said dad,

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Speaker 5: I UI see.

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Speaker 2: The last conversation we and Joy had was like maybe November,

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Speaker 1: I remember at the time there being some criticism of

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Speaker 1: But the family, especially Carol, Dion and Earle, became fierce

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Speaker 1: They tried to make sure that even though she was missing,

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Speaker 2: They always in Brixton and they recognized me. Unfortunately, I

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Speaker 1: Dionne tells me that she feels guilty about liking true crime,

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Speaker 7: There's no coincidence that it just always happens to be

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Speaker 1: Rachel has thought a lot about how to help people

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Speaker 7: It's really powerful.

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Speaker 1: As I record this in August twenty twenty five, we're

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Speaker 1: a military coup. Meanwhile, in the US, Trump is back

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00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: bringing k for immigrants and citizens and making life unsafe

436
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: both materially and emotionally for people of color, Black Americans

437
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: in particular, embracing for the fallout cuts to healthcare, food support,

438
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: and public education. It's likely auc will use this moment

439
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: to their advantage. They'll point to the suffering of the

440
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 1: black community and present themselves as the only ones with

441
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 1: real answers, the only ones who care. And once someone's

442
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: inside the fold, once they've been drawn in, it's very

443
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: hard to get out. It's hard to renounce the views

444
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: you once believed were.

445
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 5: You're a salvation.

446
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: So how do X members reflect on their time inside

447
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: our UIC, How do they begin to let go of

448
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: the ideology? What causes the shift? Some of the ideologies

449
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: around the Hebrew Israelites, which aren't inherently worse than any

450
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: other major religion, remain with them. But the hatefulness to

451
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: a person that seems to have been shed. For James,

452
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,239
Speaker 1: it came down to one moment. He was at his

453
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: family home not long after leaving our UC. At the time,

454
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,919
Speaker 1: he still believed in most of their teachings, and he

455
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: still didn't want anything to do with his sister's children

456
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: because they're mixed race with a white father. But then

457
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: something happened. The children asked him to reach up and

458
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: grab something from a high shelf.

459
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 3: I get up and I get this thing for them.

460
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 3: I give it to them, give it to them both.

461
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 3: And they were so innocent, these children. You know that

462
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 3: they've not done anything to me. And I'm thinking to myself,

463
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 3: how can I be so prejudiced? This is my flesh

464
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 3: and blood, for starters, their dad, regardless of his coloring color,

465
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 3: he's part of them. Yeah, he's married to my sister.

466
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 3: They're one flesh, this is their offspring. And that's what

467
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 3: my nephew and niece did to me. That that really

468
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 3: broke me. They both grabbed me and hugged me. He said,

469
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 3: thank you, uncle, what's not the same? After that, I

470
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 3: wept out uncontrollably for a long time, and Yeah, that

471
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 3: broke me.

472
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Speaker 1: Gina Blue, an ex member who we spoke to in

473
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: episode four, wanted to help other people who she felt

474
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: were caught an Ius's grasp since leaving the church in

475
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: early twenty eighteen. She says that she's spoken to confused

476
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: family members, helped people in court cases, helped families with

477
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: children who have a parent who's fallen into the organization,

478
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 1: given statements to the authorities, and interviewed other ex members

479
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 1: about their experiences on her YouTube channel. And like James,

480
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: she's taken the constability for her past views and actions.

481
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Speaker 9: My views were ignorant, especially when it came to the

482
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 9: lgbt community. I actually had to apologize to a lot

483
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 9: of LGBTQ friends that saw me behave in a very

484
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 9: unflattering way on social media, sharing iuic propaganda, their memes

485
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 9: celebrating the deaths of LGBTQ people. My friend reached out

486
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 9: to me like, I don't know what God you're serving,

487
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 9: but it's not the God I'm serving. After I left

488
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 9: the group, I had to apologize to him and ask

489
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 9: for forgiveness because that was an evil, evil thing that

490
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 9: I did by sharing their hateful views.

491
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Speaker 1: And what about her views on white people the demographic

492
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Speaker 1: eu C sees as devils or edomites, as a group

493
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Speaker 1: who went make it to heaven.

494
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Speaker 9: I never hated white people. I've always had a diverse

495
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 9: group of friends. That's how I grew up. So being

496
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 9: in iu C and them hyper focus on white people,

497
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 9: in particular white men, I definitely shook that off of

498
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 9: me after I left. Do I still think it's problems

499
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 9: with racism, absolutely, discrimination, absolutely systemic issues, absolutely, but I

500
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 9: am not hating all white people.

501
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: Amongst the trauma and awfulness of it all, there are

502
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: some happy endings for the ex members. James is closer

503
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: than ever to his family, Nathan and Malachi are hard

504
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: at work on their business ventures, and Naomi, who is

505
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: abused by her partner within UC, is working as a

506
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: lawyer and thriving.

507
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 6: It sounds really bad, but I wanted to prove to

508
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 6: myself that I just wasn't stupid because I got into

509
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 6: this cult because there's a stigma of cult members and

510
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 6: how they were just incompetent and they're stupid. And I

511
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 6: was like, I need to prove to myself that I'm

512
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 6: just mark that. So I went to our school is

513
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 6: that was something that I wanted to do. So that

514
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 6: was one of my main life drivers for advancing my

515
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 6: career in that area.

516
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: She's also recently remarried and is deeply in love.

517
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 6: Now I can confidently say I am on cloud nine.

518
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 6: I'm super happy, my family loves him, and it's just

519
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 6: night and day.

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00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: When it comes to IUIC, all of the ex members

521
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: seem to be aligned. No one seems confident that IU

522
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: SEE will be closed down like they've attempted to do

523
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: in France. But the reason why they agreed to do

524
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: this podcast is so their voices can operate as a

525
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: warning signal, to inform, to educate, to steer anyone who's questioning,

526
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: to show them their truth for joy who didn't survive

527
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: in the same way that they did. Here's James again,

528
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: where did.

529
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Speaker 5: You agree to do the interview?

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Speaker 3: I remember watching the pain in Carol's eyes and being

531
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Speaker 3: a parent myself. You know, I love my children, and

532
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 3: God forbid if that happened to me and I didn't

533
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 3: have closure, I don't know what that would do to me.

534
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 3: The other aspect is for awareness r Us. It's not

535
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 3: in my little church down the world. We're talking about big,

536
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 3: worldwide organizations. So you know, even if it means that

537
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 3: one person can be deterred from joining such an organization,

538
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 3: as with it, I still believe that the Blacks or

539
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 3: the biblical Jews of the Bible, but there's nowhere in

540
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 3: the scriptures that we were ever taught to hate hate anybody.

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Speaker 1: Back in the studio with Dion, I'm recounting everything the

542
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: ex members have told us. I tell her what we

543
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: discovered about Joy's murderer, Chauffeur l Israel, about the strict

544
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: hierarchical nature of the church, about the abuse that women

545
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: have suffered, about the culture of standing people up, about

546
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: meeting uc on their turf in America, and the details

547
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 1: surrounding Bishop Nathaniel and his time as a detective. It

548
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: seems like both a lot and not enough. Once we've

549
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: told you on everything we know, she takes a breath.

550
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: She's been listening intently, nodding along, asking us questions. There

551
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: are some things that she's learned today that she didn't

552
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: know before. But the biggest reaction she has it's one

553
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 1: of contemplation, because there are still things that we cannot

554
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: completely explain.

555
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 2: He'll never say why, but I do wonder why sometimes

556
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 2: why to kill Joy.

557
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Speaker 1: Chauffeur l is in prison for it least another eleven years,

558
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: and in the UK it's basically impossible to get interviews

559
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: with prisoners. We can't ask him ourselves. From what we

560
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: know of him, we wouldn't expect him to answer anyway.

561
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: He's always maintained his innocence. We've had some brilliant interviews,

562
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: but it's frustrating that there are people out there who

563
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: could get us closer to the truth, the truth of

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00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: Chaufeurle's character and his relationship to Joy, than we can

565
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: from the outside, banging literally on the doors.

566
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Speaker 2: So she's life. I think she's not meant to know.

567
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: Before we let her go, Before I let this story go,

568
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: there are a few more things we need to return to.

569
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Speaker 2: I still think it would have been a face, you

570
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Yeah, but she never got a

571
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: chance for it. To just be a face.

572
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 5: What do you think that Troy would be going if she.

573
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 2: Will going on to do her master's or something. Seriously,

574
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 2: I think she was starting midw free, but she definitely

575
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 2: went off ended there. I feel bad, you know, guilty

576
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: sometime because she's only twenty and I'm forty, and I

577
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 2: always think of all the years that I had on

578
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 2: her that she didn't never going to have.

579
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: Dionne says that Joy's death has left the family in ruins.

580
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: Her mum Carol, who suffers from MS, is now in

581
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 1: a wheelchair. She will never fully recover.

582
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: She's been through a share of battles. But when what

583
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 2: happened with Joy Apron, I just saw her go down

584
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 2: and keep going down and not come back up.

585
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: I thank her for being honest about it, the reality

586
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: of it, the heaviness. Dionne finds solace in her own children,

587
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: her travels, and of course in her faith.

588
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: Give glory to God to be found her body. My

589
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 2: sister was murder buck. Give glory to God. I'm still

590
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 2: here to tell her a story. You see, you have

591
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 2: to find a joy in the pain.

592
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Speaker 1: In our interview reflected quite a lot on the nature

593
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: of sisterhood. And what it means to be a sister,

594
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: on how chosen family can offer so much. As someone

595
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: who's an only child, I inherently believe in sisterhood outside

596
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: of the boundaries of blood, and Dionne tells me that

597
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: she believes in it too. She has sisters at her

598
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: church who've supported her through these difficult years, who she's

599
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 1: learning to be comfortable leaning on. And it almost doesn't

600
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: have to be said, but there's something special about the

601
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: people you're related to as well. And it's my producer, Sarah,

602
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: who has two sisters, who steps in to talk to

603
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: Dionne about that.

604
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 5: The only thing I'm going to.

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00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 2: Say, it's not a question, but.

606
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Speaker 10: I have an older sister, and I know you said

607
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 10: before that you felt guilty at times because you felt

608
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 10: like you weren't there for Joy. But like it is

609
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 10: abundantly clear that you were a phenomenal older sister, and

610
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 10: I hope that you know that.

611
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: Thank you.

612
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 5: She was very lucky to have you.

613
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. I don't want to cry because thank you,

614
00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: thank you.

615
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: Very much for dion This isn't the end of her

616
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: and Joy's story.

617
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 2: I don't really think it's goodbye.

618
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: Her belief in God means that she thinks she'll see

619
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 1: Joy again. She says that she'll see her later. How

620
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: do you choose to remember her now?

621
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 2: The happy Joy that I know? Yeah, she did what

622
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 2: she wanted to do, and that at least she went

623
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 2: for her dreams even though someone stopped her, she went

624
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 2: for it. Yeah, Joy's always happy. Joy is always thinking

625
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 2: about others. So this is what I remember of Joy.

626
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: Nine months ago, we set out to learn the truth.

627
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:58,359
Speaker 1: Who was Joy's church? Did they betray her? And has

628
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: the silence around her death put more people in danger?

629
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 5: Now?

630
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: I think we have answers over forty interviews, court records,

631
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 1: phone calls, hours and hours of tape, dead ends and breakthroughs.

632
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: And I'm certain now more than ever that women in

633
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 1: U see deserve more. Black people deserve more. Joy Morgan

634
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: deserved more. Joy's Church is something closer to a cult.

635
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: Joy's church did betray her in a complicated way that

636
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: may not have led directly to her death, but certainly

637
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: set her on a particular devastating pathway, and the relative

638
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,720
Speaker 1: silence around her death from the media from the church

639
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 1: means that not enough people are aware of just how

640
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: dangerous and prevalent high control religious spaces can be for

641
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: young women, young Black women, especially Over the course of

642
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: the past six months, Weaves shone a light into a

643
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 1: dark place, a place where nobody else was looking, a

644
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: place that seems unwilling to hold a mirror up to itself.

645
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: And if one vulnerable young black person thinks twice before

646
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: joining UIC after listening to this, then that's got to

647
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: be a good thing. So I return to Joy. When

648
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: I first saw Joy's missing poster, something struck inside me.

649
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: A match being lit. That image, the warmth in her eyes,

650
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 1: the brightness in her smile started something that hasn't stopped

651
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,360
Speaker 1: burning since. And now, approaching the end of this process,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to distill it all, capture the flame, like

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Speaker 1: fireflies in a jar. What happened to Joy Morgan? Not

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Speaker 1: just in a legal sense, but in a human one.

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Speaker 1: What happens to someone like her, brilliant, hopeful, vulnerable when

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Speaker 1: there handed a story that seems to finally explain everything.

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Speaker 5: Let me tell you a version of it.

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Speaker 1: Once upon a time, there was a young woman lost

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Speaker 1: in the worlds of the world, kind eyed, brilliant, marked

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Speaker 1: by tragedy, but still reaching for something more. And one

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Speaker 1: day she found it a truth that she was descended

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Speaker 1: from an ancient people, that she had a purpose, a home,

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Speaker 1: a family, a faith. She was welcomed with song, with rhythm,

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Speaker 1: with scripture, said that she was chosen, and for a moment,

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Speaker 1: a fleeting moment, she believed that she had arrived. But

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Speaker 1: not every fairy tale ends the way it begins. The

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Speaker 1: young woman who was lost and then found disappeared once again,

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Speaker 1: and this time she never came back. So what are

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Speaker 1: we supposed to take from all of this? Maybe it's

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Speaker 1: this that belonging should never come at the cost of

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Speaker 1: your safety, That faith should never demand your silence, that

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Speaker 1: being chosen should never mean being controlled. Joy Morgan deserved

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Speaker 1: a life of dignity, of freedom, of love. She found faith,

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Speaker 1: but she didn't find safety, and in the end that

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Speaker 1: cost her everything. The Missing Sister is a Free Turn

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Speaker 1: production written and produced by Me, Charlie Brinkerst Cuff and

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Speaker 1: Sarah Jones. It's presented by Charlie Brinkhurst Cuff. Fisby Barnett

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Speaker 1: is our assistant producer. Our executive producers are Saren Jones,

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Speaker 1: Robbie Ashcroft, Lexie Rose and Jemma Batterby. Sound design is

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Speaker 1: by Vulcan Kisseltug, theme music by Tim Brinkhurst. Artwork is

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Speaker 1: by Lois Glenn. Fact checking by Sonny Murcheya. A special

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Speaker 1: thanks to Claire Hoben, Poppy Damon, Francesca Elena, George Shanka,

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Speaker 1: Jabriel Solam, Chocolate Israel, Jackie Cuff, Pauline Cuff, Katie Mark,

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Speaker 1: Kylo Freeman, Chris Lambert, Steve Washington, Eric Strickland, Calvis Security,

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Speaker 1: and the Public Interest News Foundation for their support of

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Speaker 1: this podcast. A sincere thanks to all of the IUIC

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Speaker 1: ex members who bravely chose to share their stories. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate you more than you know. And finally, a heartfelt

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Speaker 1: thank you to Dionne Rodriguez, Carol Morgan, Earl Morgan, Agnes

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Speaker 1: MB and the rest of Joy Morgan's wider friends and family.

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Speaker 1: We hope you're able to find peace. If you have

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Speaker 1: information you would like to share with us about Joy

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Speaker 1: Morgan or IUIC, please email The Missing Sister Podcast at

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Speaker 1: gmail dot com. If you've been affected by any issues

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Speaker 1: Samaritans are always available day or night, three hundred and

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Speaker 1: sixty five days a year. You can call them for

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Speaker 1: at Joe at Samaritans dot org, or visit Samaritans dot

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Speaker 1: org to find your nearest branch for advice, support and options.

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Speaker 1: If you or someone you love goes missing, text or

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Speaker 1: or visit www dot missing people dot org dot UK.

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Speaker 1: The Missing Sister podcast has partnered with The Mirror on

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Speaker 1: their Missed campaign, highlighting forgotten cases of missing people. To

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Speaker 1: support the campaign, please sign the petition linked to pressure

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Speaker 1: the government into publishing a new Missing Children and Adult strategy,

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Speaker 1: invest in prevention for those at most risk of going missing,

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Speaker 1: and offer support to every missing child or adult on

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Speaker 1: their return