1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: noon to three Eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 3: The home you've worked so hard for is ready to 9 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 3: work hard for you with a home equity loan from 10 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 3: Rocket Mortgage. 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Looking forward to working with you 21 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 3: more closely soon. 22 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's going to be fun. 23 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 4: It's good, it's gonna be fun. 24 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 5: It's going to We can give Nick a hard time together. 25 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 3: Oh, it's one of my passions in life. 26 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 5: It's become a passion of mine as well. 27 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 4: It's fun fun. 28 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 3: You know, the guy who says he's undefeated in sports arguments, 29 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 3: it's fun to kind of back him into a corner 30 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 3: and laugh at him. But help me out with these stories. 31 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 3: You know Terry mclaur and he was holding out but 32 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 3: then he's back. Trey Hendrickson holding out and then he's back. 33 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 3: You obviously would deal with this, but Hendrickson's the most 34 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 3: high profile one. Are you surprised at all on how 35 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 3: this has gone down between Hendrickson and the Bengals. 36 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 6: I'm not completely surprised at all. And you were talking 37 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 6: about before the break the fifty thousand dollars fine, and 38 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 6: the difference for the fifty thousand dollars fine now versus 39 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 6: what it was before is that fine is not forgivable. 40 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 6: So when these guys are getting hit with that fifty 41 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 6: thousand dollars number, even when the deal is done, someone's 42 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 6: got to pay that number. So either the team's got 43 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 6: to compensate the player for the fifty thousand dollars per day. 44 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 5: So look, if you go over the course of a month. 45 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 6: It could be over a million dollars million and a 46 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 6: half dollars or the player's got to deal with that, 47 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 6: where previously, when you redid the contract, you could forgive 48 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 6: the fine. So those numbers are more meaningful. 49 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 5: And with Hendrickson. 50 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 6: Hendrickson's situation, he signed the initial four year deal, and 51 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 6: then two years into that deal he wanted some more money, 52 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 6: so they gave him eight million dollars up front, they 53 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 6: gave another eight million dollars guaranteed, and they added a 54 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 6: year to his deal, which is this year right now, 55 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 6: which he's unhappy about. So I understand from an organization's perspective, 56 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 6: the organization's perspective that they don't want to have to 57 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 6: keep redoing deals. And I understand from Hendrickson's perspective too, 58 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 6: he's he has been outstanding, and he's been outstanding on 59 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 6: a team that is in desperate need of defensive players 60 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 6: that are outstanding. So he's got a lot of leverage 61 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 6: as well. So they've got to find some sort of 62 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 6: happy medium to give the team a chance to be successful. 63 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 6: And what's been in Cincinnati's biggest problem is is slow starts. Right, 64 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 6: slow starts have killed them. So if they don't get 65 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 6: Hendrickson back to the start of the season and he 66 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,239 Speaker 6: doesn't play as well as he could, that could be that, 67 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 6: you know, part of another Cincinnati slow start and another 68 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 6: problematic finish of the season for him. 69 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,840 Speaker 3: So in Dallas there's also a contract story, but frankly, 70 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 3: I find the contract stories a little tedious because. 71 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 4: They ultimately they ultimately get. 72 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 3: Done and we're parsing millions of dollars for millionaires already. 73 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 3: But the big story in Dallas to me anyway, is 74 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 3: Brian Schottenheimer and where they go from there. Michael will 75 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 3: get done shot. He was on your staff, so you 76 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 3: know him. I was surprised that they hired someone who's 77 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 3: already with Mike McCarthy. What will the differences be between 78 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 3: Schottenheimer and McCarthy. 79 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 6: You know, I think Brian is an underrated candidate. And 80 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 6: when I hired Brian, one of the things that I 81 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 6: really liked about him is not only was he smart 82 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 6: and had good relationships with players, but he was also flexible. 83 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 6: So he had a system that he ran that was 84 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 6: really had given us problems in New England that I 85 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 6: wanted to bring with me to the Jets. He was 86 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 6: willing to run that system, but he was willing to 87 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 6: incorporate other things into that system in order to make 88 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 6: it our system, in order to take advantage of the 89 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 6: players that we had. And I loved that flexibility that 90 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 6: he showed. And now, look, it's been quite a few 91 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 6: years since then, so he's learned a lot. He's got 92 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 6: a ton of experience, and he's a first time head coach, 93 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 6: just like all these first time head coaches are. But 94 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 6: I think he's got just as much potential to be 95 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 6: successful there as any other any of the other first 96 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 6: time head coaches. 97 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 4: I want to follow up on that. 98 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 3: I feel like I always hear coaches say I'm going 99 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 3: to build the system around my players, around the personnel 100 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 3: that we have. 101 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 4: But then there are so many examples. And I'm a 102 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 4: Bears fan. 103 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 3: I saw it in Chicago, you know, Matt Naggy trying 104 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 3: to fit Justin Fields into his system was probably the 105 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 3: most prominent example of my fandom where it was very 106 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 3: clear that they weren't really building a system around the player. 107 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 3: They were trying to fit the player into their system. 108 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 3: Why is that so difficult for so many coaches to 109 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 3: actually do build a system around the talent that they have. 110 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 6: Well, when you're raised in a system, and when you've 111 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 6: had success in a system and you've seen it work 112 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,239 Speaker 6: at a really high level, which most of these guys 113 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 6: who have gotten head coaching jobs that that's been the case. 114 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 6: And then you go to a new program and that's 115 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 6: your expertise. You tend to want to bring all those 116 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 6: good things and show the group, hey, this has real value, 117 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 6: which is which is great, which is which which over 118 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 6: time can work really well. But you also have to 119 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 6: understand that that and this is happening right now. A 120 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 6: lot Denny in training campuses, you go into a season 121 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 6: with who you want to be, and then the good 122 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 6: coaching staffs figure out who they need to be. That's 123 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 6: the difference between between good staffs and great sas is 124 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 6: knowing who you want to be and then realizing who 125 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 6: you need to be in order to be successful that year. 126 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 6: And you have to you have to have enough humbleness 127 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 6: and openness to say this isn't going to work right now. 128 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 6: It's it's not that it's bad, it's just not good 129 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 6: for us right now. And what's best for the player 130 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 6: is that we do X, Y and Z that he's 131 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 6: really good at And when I brought Brett Favre into 132 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 6: New York, I wasn't going to try to run our 133 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 6: system that didn't fit Brett Farv. I was going to 134 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 6: do the things that Brett Farv did really well to 135 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 6: make sure he was the best version of himself. And 136 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 6: you saw that in Tampa Bay with Tom Brady. Initially 137 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 6: they were doing, you know, they weren't doing what Tom 138 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 6: did really well. When they pivoted towards what Tom did 139 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 6: really well and ended up bringing to the super Bowl. 140 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 5: And it's the same thing with young players too. 141 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 6: You just got to you gotta be able to take 142 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 6: a step back and say, hey, this is good. 143 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 5: It's just not good for us right now. 144 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 6: The best thing is what's good for this player who's 145 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 6: leading us. 146 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 147 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 2: and noone Eastern non am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 148 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 149 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 7: Hey we're Cavino and Rich Fox Sports Radio every day 150 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 7: five to seven pm Eastern. But here's the thing, we 151 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 7: never have enough time to get to everything we want 152 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 7: to get. 153 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 8: To, and that's why we have a brand new podcast 154 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 8: called over Promised. You see, we're having so much fun 155 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 8: in our two hour show. We never get to everything, honestly, 156 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 8: because this guy is over promising things we never have 157 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 8: time for. Yeah, you blubber, list lame and me. 158 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 7: Well, you know what it's called over promise. 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Listen to over Promised 174 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 8: with Cavino and Rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 175 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 8: or wherever you get your podcasts. 176 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 3: I think one of the most fascinating stories in the 177 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 3: NFL this year is Travis Hunter because of what Jacksonville 178 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 3: is trying to do with him, and they are saying, 179 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 3: we're not only gonna try it, we're gonna do it. 180 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 3: We're gonna play this guy on both sides. 181 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 4: Of the ball. 182 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 3: At camp so far, he's split in terms of first 183 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 3: team reps on offense and defense. 184 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 4: It's been fifty to fifty. 185 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 3: And coming up they're gonna do the first practice where 186 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 3: he does both in the same day. How would you 187 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 3: manage an athlete like that as a coach. 188 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, So in New England, we had Troy Brown, the 189 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 6: different athlete he had played. I think he was in 190 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 6: his eleventh year as a wide receiver and never played 191 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,200 Speaker 6: on defense and pro football, But we worked in a 192 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 6: camp and he ended up playing on d defense as 193 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 6: well as offense, and that year he played more defensive 194 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 6: snaps than offensive snaps. But my approach with Travis Hunter, 195 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 6: and I think what would be most efficient is start 196 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 6: him on defense. Let him play full time on defense, 197 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 6: because you can't guarantee what the other team's offense is 198 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 6: going to do. So let's say you want to have 199 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 6: him in dime defense. Then they come out and they're 200 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 6: playing a bunch of things where you're gonna have to 201 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 6: play more dime than you wanted to, and he's got 202 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 6: to play more refs. 203 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 4: You don't have control. 204 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 6: But if you start him on defense, he's playing full 205 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 6: time there, and then you play him situationally offensively. That 206 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 6: to me is the best approach to it because you 207 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 6: control when he goes in. So playman on third down, 208 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 6: play him in the red zone, and play him in 209 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 6: two minute on offense, and play him full time on 210 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 6: defense and control what you can control with the athlete 211 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 6: and give him the best chance to maximize his talents 212 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 6: and impact on both sides. 213 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 3: How many guys do you think are going to be 214 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 3: raising their hands and being like I can. 215 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 4: Do it too. 216 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, Look, there's a lot of guys who believe 217 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 6: they can do it. And even with Travis, the difference 218 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 6: is every athlete he faces is good, and even the 219 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 6: guys that are considered not great in the NFL are 220 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 6: probably on the highest end of the guys he faced 221 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 6: while he was at Colorado. So to go down in 222 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 6: and down out against the best athletes that he's faced, 223 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 6: it's hard to do. And we're not talking about twelve games. 224 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 6: We're talking about seventeen games and that doesn't even account 225 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 6: for the preseason. That doesn't account for how much longer 226 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,440 Speaker 6: the season is, That doesn't account for how much bigger 227 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 6: the playbook is on offense, how much bigger the playbook 228 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 6: is on defense. And as much as he wants to 229 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 6: do this organizationally, they're going to have to protect him 230 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 6: from himself because the wear and tear is a big thing. 231 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 6: And they want him all season long, and they want 232 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 6: him to have a very long, productive career. So I 233 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 6: hope they don't burn him out here too early and 234 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 6: they let this build a at a rate that's sustainable. 235 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 3: So we're gonna be working together a lot more on 236 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 3: first things first. And so you've been exposed to Nick 237 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 3: Wright's lists, and so now I want to show you 238 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 3: a perfect list for a change. 239 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 4: I just felt like i'd help you out a little bit. 240 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 5: Finally I'm going to get a perfect list exactly. 241 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 3: I see no flaws in my top ten quarterback list. 242 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 3: Coach Eagles fans seem to have a lot of problems 243 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 3: with it, but I'm curious. Mahomes one, Herbert five, Baker nine, 244 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts ten. 245 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 4: It looks perfect to me. What say you? 246 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 5: Okay? So looking at this as. 247 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 6: I absolutely agree with Mahomes at one. I think your two, three, 248 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 6: four are completely interchangeable. I think if you put those 249 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 6: three players up and said to all thirty two teams 250 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:45,599 Speaker 6: you can draft any one of these three players, it 251 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 6: would probably be split, you know, in thirds in terms 252 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 6: of who guys would want based off of the system 253 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 6: they had or which way they were leaning towards. So 254 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,479 Speaker 6: those guys are to me interchangeable. 255 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a clear love for there's a there's a 256 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 3: clear too for. The debate is five through ten. 257 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, so even even five through ten, I would I 258 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 6: went Jaydeen Daniels at five, and I know, you know, 259 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 6: we're going into the sophomore year and there could be 260 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 6: the sophomore slump and people are going to catch up. 261 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 6: I do think that the difference is not only what 262 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 6: he did as a runner, but his accuracy. To me, 263 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 6: would I would push him to that five spot, with 264 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 6: Stafford being my slash there Stafford and Jayden Daniels. 265 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 5: I love Stafford. 266 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 6: The fact that he won the Super Bowl, I played 267 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 6: against coach against it for a long time caused problems. 268 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,440 Speaker 6: But his age to me bumps him to six. And 269 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 6: then after that I get to Justin Herbert where he is. 270 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 6: I struggle with his performance in the playoffs. That's why 271 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 6: I think you gotta bump Jalen Hurts. You got to 272 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 6: give him credit for what he's done in the biggest moments, 273 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 6: so I'd probably bump him up, and he and Justin 274 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 6: are kind of in that next area. And then with 275 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 6: Jared and Baker, I mean, it just depends on what 276 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 6: you like. I mean, I'm a little. 277 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 4: Hot problems coach. 278 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 2: I'll take it. 279 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 5: I'll take it it is. I don't love six and seven. 280 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 6: I'm more five and six, Justin, Justin, Jared, Baker, they're 281 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 6: kind of a group. And then Jay, I get why 282 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 6: you have Jalen at ten, but you do have to. 283 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 6: I think you got a great amount of curve based 284 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 6: off of performance in the playoffs. 285 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 3: He's been unbelievable in the playoffs. The Steelers are such 286 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 3: a fascinating team for a number of reasons. I actually 287 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 3: like the moves they made in a vacuum for this year. 288 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 3: There's huge questions about the long term ramifications, but I 289 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 3: thought that they made sense. My question is, let's say 290 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 3: I'm wrong, and let's say this goes poorly and it 291 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 3: is a seven win season, first losing season under Mike Tomlin, 292 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 3: and we're now at nine going on ten years without 293 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 3: a playoff win, and there's a handful of offensive coordinators 294 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 3: and a bunch of different quarterbacks. 295 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 4: Is there anything that could actually turn. 296 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 3: Up a hot seat on a guy like Mike Tomlin 297 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 3: given that Pittsburgh has had three coaches in the history 298 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 3: of their organization. 299 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 6: I don't think there should be. I'm a huge Mike 300 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 6: Tomlin fan. And what people forget is how hard it 301 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 6: is to deal with transitioning after a great quarterback. So 302 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 6: Bill Belichick after a great quarterback, not very good, right, 303 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 6: Sean Payton without Drew Brees. Pretty different equation than what 304 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 6: we were used to seeing. 305 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 5: And it's the same thing. No Ben Brothlisberger, and. 306 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 6: They haven't had the losing season, which to me is remarkable, 307 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 6: but they haven't found their answer at quarterback. And finding 308 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 6: that answer a quarterback, everybody's chasing it. And that's why 309 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,880 Speaker 6: when these great quarterbacks become available, all the teams that 310 00:14:56,880 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 6: are quarterbacks starved, they go and see if they can 311 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 6: they can hit on them. So whether it's Aaron Rodgers 312 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 6: at the Jets and now Aaron Rodgers in Pittsburgh or 313 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 6: you know, take your pick. It was us with with 314 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 6: Brett Favre trying to capture some of that magic Russell 315 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 6: Wilson when he got traded. It's you're you're hoping that 316 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 6: this is the answer. You're hoping that Aaron Rodgers is over, 317 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 6: you know, wanting to be GM, wanting to be head coach, 318 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 6: and now just wants to be a great player and 319 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 6: a great teammate and a great contributor. 320 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 5: Maybe it's not the level we've been. 321 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 6: Used to to seeing him at his high point, but 322 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 6: hopefully it's a better level than we've seen him since 323 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 6: since he's left Green Bay Football. 324 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 3: Season's here, coach. This feels good. It feels good to 325 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 3: have hype. It feels good to have like we got 326 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 3: a game on Thursday. Are you a play for guys 327 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 3: in the preseason guy or are you, you know, risk 328 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 3: averse like me, I'm scared of injury. 329 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's this is always the challenging part. So 330 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 6: it's it's this time of the year figuring out whether 331 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 6: you want to play your stars or not. And then 332 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 6: then it's at the end of the season when you've 333 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 6: made the playoffs and you're trying to figure out whether 334 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 6: you want to play your stars or not, and it's 335 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 6: always the what is it Russ versus rest philosophy, And 336 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 6: I think you want to get some reps for your 337 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 6: guys and have them feel what it's like to work together, 338 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 6: even if it's a limited exposure, so that the first 339 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 6: time they're seeing action isn't in game one. But you know, 340 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 6: I understand why a lot of head coaches say, yeah, 341 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 6: I'd rather him be rusty and available than hurt and 342 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 6: not available. 343 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 3: Eric Mangini, Fox Sports NFL analyst, former Coach of the Year, 344 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 3: looking forward to working with you on FtF and we'll 345 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 3: be watching later on today. 346 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 4: Thank you, coach. 347 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 5: Awesome, we'll talk to you soon. 348 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 4: Thank you. 349 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 3: That's Eric Mangini going around the NFL with him, and 350 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 3: we'll be watching. Like I said on first Things first, 351 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 3: Drake mayhype. 352 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 4: It's real. 353 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 3: I feel like I own all the stock and that 354 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 3: kid loved him. I'm out of college. Penn State also 355 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 3: expectations for a title run. We'll ask about that with 356 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 3: former Patriot and Penn State star Rich Ornberger. Next, Danny 357 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 3: Parkinson for Colin the Herd. 358 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 359 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 2: at noon Easter not a Empacific back in on the Herd. 360 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 3: I'm Danny Parkins in for Colin football is fast approaching. 361 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:34,879 Speaker 3: We've got Rich Ornberger on the show. He was a 362 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 3: fourth round pick of the Patriots, played his college ball 363 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 3: at Penn State, and he's got a radio show. This 364 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 3: is a radio show name Big Rich, TD and Fletch. 365 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 4: I love it on one oh five KGB in San Diego. 366 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 3: Rich, thank you so much for the time. So Patriots 367 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:59,120 Speaker 3: draft pick, Let's start there. Drake made to me passes 368 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 3: the eye test. 369 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 4: I love them. 370 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 3: Coming out of college, he had no talent around him. 371 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 3: He had a real tough offensive line situation. Obviously they 372 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 3: fired the coach. What type of trajectory do you think 373 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 3: Drake May is on right now? 374 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 10: Look, I mean anytime you switch coaches earlier in your career, 375 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 10: I can hamper your development. Drake May is a gamer though. 376 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 10: I got to call his holiday ball game in San Diego. 377 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 9: And I was impressed with this guy. 378 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 10: I mean, he was the best player on the field 379 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 10: in my opinion, and he stood in good company that night. 380 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 10: Drake May, he can make all the throws. He is 381 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 10: a good enough athlete to play in this league. It's 382 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,919 Speaker 10: just a matter of how plastic his mind is, how 383 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 10: quickly he can switch from one set of coaches and 384 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 10: one set of you. 385 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 9: Know, cultural orders to the next. 386 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,679 Speaker 10: Look, one thing we know is Mike Rabel has gotten 387 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 10: more out of lesser quarterbacks than Drake May. You know, 388 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 10: so in theory, this sets up well for him. Plus 389 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 10: they're making an investment in protecting him better on the 390 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 10: offensive line. Plus you know, Vrabel's going to be committed 391 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 10: to the run game first and playing staunch defense, and 392 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 10: that's a talented defense on the other side of the ball, 393 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 10: so he'll get second chance opportunities. 394 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 9: That defense will get him the ball back. 395 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 10: So I think the trajectory, the path that he could 396 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 10: be on is one for success, and it may be 397 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 10: quick success for the New England Patriots. 398 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 3: That's an interesting way to put it, the how plastic 399 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 3: his mind is and changing the coaches early. 400 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 4: I never heard it put quite that way. 401 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 3: I mean, so it applies to Drake May, it applies, 402 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 3: it applies to Caleb. 403 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 4: How do you tell if it's going well? 404 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 10: Really, it's like learning a different language, right, So, Okay, 405 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 10: so you've been around people who are quick studies at languages, right. 406 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 10: You know, they seem to just understand how to immerse 407 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 10: themselves into cultures. They pick up context clues really well. 408 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 10: They're able to relate things back to their language of 409 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 10: origin and quickly avoid mistakes. And that is going to 410 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 10: be the real test here. It's not whether or not 411 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 10: Drake May knows football. We know he knows football. That's 412 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 10: the reason why he was drafted. The question is how 413 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 10: quickly can he change languages? And so when I say 414 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 10: a plastic mind, I just mean somebody who is easily 415 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 10: moldable and can fit into a new system running a 416 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 10: new language, and language is key in a football program. 417 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 10: Everything has to be communicated and it all starts with 418 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 10: the quarterbacks. So that is going to be the biggest 419 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 10: hurdle this training camp for Drake May, but overall the 420 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 10: New England Patriots, and especially on the offensive side of 421 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:39,919 Speaker 10: the ball. 422 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 3: So if you're doing radio in San Diego, you're still 423 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 3: talking to a lot of Chargers fans, even though they're 424 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 3: in Los Angeles. I'm a huge Justin Herbert fan. I 425 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 3: feel like he'd been let down by the franchise that 426 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 3: hadn't really been living up to his talent. Coach Harboff 427 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 3: spoke to that earlier in the week. He's followed a 428 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 3: Peyton Manning track similar when loss is similar, touchdown numbers, 429 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 3: no playoff wins. In his first five years, Peyton broke out. 430 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 3: He got Dungee in your five, breaks out in your six, 431 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 3: is co MVP and is in the AFC Championship game. 432 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 3: I think he's on that trajectory. Also, what of the 433 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,440 Speaker 3: struggles I guess of Justin Herbert? Have you put on 434 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 3: Justin Herbert to this point in his career? 435 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 9: Self preservation? 436 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 10: It is really difficult to teach this to a competitor, 437 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 10: But Justin Herbert needs to know when the battle's lost. 438 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 10: And I know that sounds counterintuitive, especially in a sport 439 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 10: as competitive it's football, But he has to understand when 440 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,199 Speaker 10: a play is dead, when it's time to fall on 441 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 10: your sword and take the sack. There are smart sacks 442 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 10: to take. There are good opportunities to get rid of 443 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 10: the football. Not every play needs to turn into a 444 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 10: dynamic first down, or an effort at a first down, 445 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 10: or an effort at a touchdown. Sometimes the smart choice 446 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 10: is to play chess, not checkers. Look, I get it, 447 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 10: King me is fun. You know what's more fun? You 448 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 10: know trapping? You know the King with Knight at E one. Look, 449 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 10: I don't know chess, but I do know football, and 450 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 10: I do know that he's struggling a little bit protecting 451 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 10: himself in games. So yeah, Look, he hasn't been surrounded 452 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 10: by the best talent, the best coaching, the best skill 453 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 10: at times. Certainly the offensive line has had its issues, 454 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,920 Speaker 10: injury being one of them. But he needs to really, 455 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 10: Jim Harbaugh really needs to hammer home the point that 456 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 10: they are not going to win many football games without 457 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 10: Justin Herbert in the huddles. So he needs to start 458 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 10: taking care of himself better. 459 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 3: So, speaking of great athletes, they all are you were, 460 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 3: Travis Hunter is an extra great athlete, and I think 461 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 3: he is going to change the way we view what 462 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 3: these athletes can do. They're clearly going to play him 463 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 3: two ways. He clearly wants to play two ways. What 464 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,119 Speaker 3: is reasonable to expect from Travis Hunter as an NFL player? 465 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 10: Travis Hunter is going to be better at one of 466 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 10: these positions than the other. This isn't college football anymore. 467 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 10: These are trained professionals who have been at this for 468 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 10: a very long time, and They're going to be fits 469 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,640 Speaker 10: and starts with every career, even for. 470 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 9: The most talented. 471 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 10: But when you are trying to understand the nuance of 472 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,160 Speaker 10: two different sides of the ball, when the bright lights 473 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 10: around in the NFL and you're not playing against guys 474 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 10: who are you know, in certain cases in. 475 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 9: College football, playing college football for. 476 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 10: The first time since high school and still miss their 477 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 10: mom and dad. You know, they're only divorced by twelve 478 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 10: months from being grounded for the last time. You know, 479 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 10: these guys you're playing against and preparing for, they've been 480 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 10: in the league for twelve years sometimes and have been 481 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 10: catching passes against defensive backs at an. 482 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 9: All pro level for five to eight years. You know. 483 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 10: So Travis Hunter is going to face those challenges as 484 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 10: a defensive back in the NFL, and then you turn 485 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 10: it over to the offense. The hits are harder, the 486 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,160 Speaker 10: windows are tighter, the timing is faster. 487 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 9: So he is going to. 488 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 10: Struggle at times. He is going to have successes, obviously, 489 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 10: because again this is why you draft a guy in 490 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 10: the first round, because you're counting on that. But I 491 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 10: think what we're going to see it's going to be 492 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 10: pretty obvious. Witch side of the ball he's more comfortable playing, 493 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 10: and then there may be a conversation and it could 494 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 10: come as soon as. 495 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 9: The halfway point of this season. 496 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,479 Speaker 10: Do we abandon this idea first that we had that 497 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 10: could be game changing, or do we stick with it 498 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 10: and potentially you have a guy who is above average 499 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 10: on both sides of the ball as opposed to having 500 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 10: a guy who's elite on one side of the ball. 501 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 3: So you've been in locker rooms, You've been around guys 502 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 3: who made a ton of money, and I'm sure you 503 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 3: were around the guys who had issues with not making 504 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 3: enough money. It's a story in Washington, it's history in Cincinnati. 505 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 3: It's the biggest story in Dallas, so we can put 506 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 3: it there, but also just to globalize it. How big 507 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 3: of a deal ultimately is it? If player is unhappy 508 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 3: with contract, like saying Micah Parsons is unhappy with the 509 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys. 510 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 9: It's a problem until it isn't a problem anymore. You know. 511 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 10: Look, the business side of this game is a really 512 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 10: important side of this game. You have a short window 513 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 10: to make life changing money, and Micah Parsons deserves life 514 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,959 Speaker 10: changing money because he is a franchise shafting player. 515 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 9: So he's going to get his. He's going to make. 516 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 10: Every attempt at getting his, and Jerry Jones is going 517 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 10: to do Jerry Jones things. 518 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 9: And we're seeing a lot of that. 519 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 10: I know you're following it closely, Danny, but as ugly 520 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 10: as it can get. 521 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 9: Sometimes. One thing that all. 522 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 10: Football players, especially football players as talented as Michael Parsons do, 523 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 10: is compartmentalize. Whatever's happening in your personal life or your 524 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 10: business career, you have to separate and be able to 525 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,640 Speaker 10: go out and perform. He's been doing that an elite 526 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 10: level for a long time now, and my expectation is, 527 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 10: regardless of how sour or dour these negotiations go, regardless 528 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 10: of how long they take, as soon as he hits 529 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 10: the field, he's gonna get right back where he left off. 530 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 10: And the suer the better, because obviously you want your 531 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 10: defense to congeal. You want there to be some suredness 532 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,439 Speaker 10: in terms of working together with all the guys on 533 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 10: the fields, playing their roles at practice and in whatever 534 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 10: preseason action they see during the actual games. But yeah, 535 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 10: you know, just speaking broadly about talented football players like 536 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 10: Micah Parsons, once he's through the rigors of the negotiation. 537 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 10: He's going to get back to doing what he loves 538 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 10: and what he's great at, which is sacking quarterbacks and 539 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 10: making impactful plays on the defense. 540 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 9: Or the Dallas Cowboys. 541 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 4: He went to Penn State. 542 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 3: You went to Penn State, same level of athlete, saying, 543 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 3: you know, and obviously there's no question about that. Do 544 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,120 Speaker 3: you believe that Penn State deserves to be the favorite 545 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 3: in the Big Ten this year? 546 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 4: I do. 547 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 10: I do a return a tremendous amount of talent. I 548 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 10: have a quarterback who's worthy of carrying that weight, who's 549 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 10: made clutch plays and has made mistakes. I mean, we 550 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 10: are reminded every time the replays of that Notre Dame 551 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 10: game come over there. He obviously has things to clean up. 552 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 10: But great players make mistakes and learn from them. And 553 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 10: that's part of being great is not repeating, you know, 554 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 10: those confounding moments that can really hurt your team in 555 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 10: the moments that matter the most. And you know, in 556 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 10: terms of coaching and culture, I think I think would 557 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 10: coach James Franklin has done with Penn State has been 558 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 10: nothing short of miraculous. I mean, if you think about 559 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 10: where this program was when he first took over, you know, 560 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 10: it was only one coach separated from the scandal and 561 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 10: the exit of Joe Paterno, and a rebuild was still 562 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 10: in order, and he ushered Penn State football through that 563 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 10: era into a new era of success and arguably the 564 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 10: most successful window that they've ever enjoyed. So I believe 565 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 10: fullheartedly that this team can win the Big Ten. If 566 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 10: I'm not the first to say it, I believe they 567 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 10: will win the Big Ten. They do need to perform 568 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 10: in the big moments, and that is going to be 569 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 10: the biggest task of this season. We know they can win, 570 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 10: we know they can win at a great rate. But 571 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 10: can they win in those big moments. That has yet 572 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 10: to be answered, and that is the question they must answer, 573 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:46,959 Speaker 10: and I think they will this season. 574 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 3: Then quickly, do you think Aler's a good pro like 575 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 3: you see a good pro prospect? 576 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 9: He does. 577 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 10: He does translate well to the pro game, just size 578 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 10: and athleticism, kind of the same way we were just 579 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 10: talking about Drake May good enough athlete, can make the throws, 580 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 10: has shown great composure in moments. Obviously, there's always work 581 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 10: to be done, but one thing that you love to 582 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 10: see out of a player in terms of whether or 583 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 10: not he can hack it at the next level. Is 584 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 10: anticipatory throws and he's good there. You know, he gets 585 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 10: the timing down with this receivers, he finds the windows. 586 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 10: He's clearly reading defenses. He's no dummy. I think he'll 587 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 10: be a good pro one day. But he's got his 588 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 10: work cut out this season. He's got a lot of 589 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 10: work to do ahead of him. Still in college football. 590 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 3: For Penn State and Ntney Lyon, former draft pick of 591 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 3: the Patriots, played six years in the NFL. Rich Ornberger, 592 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 3: thank you so much for taking time for the Herd. 593 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 9: Thank you, rich Glad to do it, Danny anytime. 594 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 4: Thank you. 595 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 3: We'll talk again soon. That's rich Ornberger here with us 596 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 3: on the Herd. And yeah, we are one month away 597 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 3: from Ohio State and Texas. Some of the best players, 598 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 3: the best draft prospects downs Jeremiah Smith and yes, arch 599 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 3: Manning trying to live up to abs polutely impossible hype. Hey, 600 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 3: you've thrown ninety five passes in college football. You're the 601 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 3: favorite for the Heisman Trophy and the second favorite to 602 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 3: be the national champion, and people think you're gonna be 603 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 3: the number one overall pick. 604 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 4: No big deal. It's been a tremendous honor. 605 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 3: It's a ton of fun whenever I get to sit 606 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 3: in for Colin Coward. Thank you so much for listening 607 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 3: and watching the Herd