WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Murray or Hopkins? 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:07.360 The following Here's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:07.400 --> 0:00:19.520 and the Dallas Cowboys football clubs. Are you ready for 0:00:19.600 --> 0:00:23.279 a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? 0:00:23.400 --> 0:00:27.600 Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. 0:00:27.800 --> 0:00:31.960 It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:38.080 Were with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, A bar Garcia, and 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:44.199 Derek Eagleton. It is Wednesday, October fourteenth, twenty twenty, season sixteen, 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:46.960 episode number forty four. Welcome to the latest edition of 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:49.599 The Break. I am Derek Heilton. I'm joined by Nick 0:00:49.680 --> 0:00:52.879 Eatman here live in the studio, the SWBC Mortgat Studio. 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:55.320 We also got Dave and Amber joining us from home. 0:00:55.360 --> 0:00:57.720 And because it is Wednesday, we welcome to the show. 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:00.960 Bucky Brooks of NFL Network talk little bit of Cowboys 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:03.640 versus Cardinals with us today. We are going to focus 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:08.039 in on Cowboys defense versus the Cardinals offense, and Bucky, 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:10.039 as we do every Wednesday, I'm going to start by 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:13.960 asking you what are the greatest shrinks and or the 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:17.520 greatest strength and the greatest weakness of this Arizona offense. 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:25.399 This Arizona offense is explosive, is dynamic. They can attack 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:28.280 you a bunch of different ways. Their quarterback, who is 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:31.600 a Texas high school legend, is as good as advertised. 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:35.360 Kyler Murray is everything that you look for at the position. 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:39.600 He's efficient, he's explosive, he does a great job of 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:42.600 really testing the defense with his arm and his legs, 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:44.800 and he has really kind of come into his own 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:47.840 in the second season. Even though the numbers will tell 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:51.520 you that he has had some struggles with the six interceptions, 0:01:51.680 --> 0:01:54.320 he's completely almost seventy percent of his passes. He has 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:57.160 eight touchdowns six interceptions that US spoke about, but he 0:01:57.160 --> 0:02:00.720 has five touchdowns on the ground. And as he is 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:04.000 beginning to really get comfortable in this offense, they added 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:07.680 another weapon in DeAndre Hopkins, maybe the best wide receiver 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.760 in football, and they are treating him as such. DeAndre 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:13.320 Hopkins leads the league and receiving yards. He's the only 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:15.360 play in the National Football League with over five hundred 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:19.280 receiving yards and forty plus catches. They are using him 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:21.919 beyond just being a chain mover like he was used 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:25.480 in Houston. He's taking it deep. He's doing more things 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:27.880 on the route tree than we've seen him do. And 0:02:27.960 --> 0:02:30.880 Cliff Kingsbury really has this offense rolling because they got 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:33.240 a couple of running gap backs in Kenyan Drake and 0:02:33.320 --> 0:02:36.639 Chase Emmons. The offensive line has been better than expected 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:39.480 and so because of this, this offense can explode and 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:42.560 we really haven't seen them tap into that explosive nature, 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:48.400 but they can be a handful bucky. Last weekend, in 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.800 the game against the Giants, we saw the Dallars defense 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:58.119 taking eady, beaty, eaty, tiny bit step forward. But when 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:02.400 you're talking about Urias offense, is this a game where 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:06.320 hopefully the defense is able to take another another eatbaty 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:09.360 step forward or kind of go back to what we've 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:14.399 been seeing. You know. It's it's interesting because the Cowboys 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:17.160 issues have been against the run in the past. Last 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:19.040 week we saw where the Giants tried to run right 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:21.880 at them successfully early in the game, and then the 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:23.840 Cowboys were able to kind of get an under control, 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:26.880 i would say, and put the game on Daniel Jones. 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:30.320 The Cardinals typically don't operate operate like that like they 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:33.160 will run it, but they're at their best when Kyla 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:36.680 Murray is just kind of dealing like a Vegas casino dealer. 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:38.200 He's just kind of distributing the ball to all the 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:40.880 playmakers that they have around him and it goes and 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:44.080 so Dallas would be tested in a different way. They'll 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:47.440 be tested from a coverage standpoint one, How does Mike 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:50.560 Nolan elect to defend DeAndre Hopkins? Because it has to 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:52.960 start with that. If you go one on one, DeAndre 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:54.800 Hopkins is gonna have a one hundred and fifty plus 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:56.880 yards and it's gonna be a big day for him. 0:03:57.160 --> 0:03:59.120 And so they have to determine how are they going 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:02.120 to take DeAndre Hopkins away. The other thing is if 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:03.920 you take him away, are you willing to live with 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:07.080 leaf is Gerald and Kristen Kirk getting whatever they get 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:09.320 in the passing game and just knowing that they may 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:12.160 move it, but you will eliminate some of the big plays. 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:14.880 And then the counter to that is how committed to 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:18.680 the running game with Cliff Kingsbury be considering what has 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:20.560 been on tape the last couple of weeks in terms 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:22.839 of the leakage and the running game. Will he hand 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:25.800 the ball off to Kenyan Drake and see how many 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:28.920 carries he can muster. Kenny get a hundred yard game 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:32.120 on the ground. So the Cowboys defense will be tested. 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:34.560 It'd be tested in a different way, and I'm curious 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:36.440 to see what kind of game playing Mike Noland comes 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:41.840 up with, which Bucky, That's actually exactly what I wanted 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.240 to talk about, because we're going to talk about Kyler 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:49.000 and Hopkins and that's obviously terrifying. But Kenyan Drake is 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:52.040 he's not really off to an amazing start. I mean, 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:54.479 I know he's a talented guy, but he's below four 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:57.440 yards a carry. I saw this morning on Twitter that 0:04:57.640 --> 0:05:00.640 his expected yards per attempt is is one of the 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:04.120 worst in the league right now, And I'm curious, is 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:06.600 it something with him? Is it with their line? Is 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:09.920 it because they're not very interested in establishing the run? 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:14.080 What exactly is the problem there? And is it something 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:16.760 that they could maybe get right against the Dallas defense 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:21.120 that has struggled against the run. Well, this offensive line 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:24.359 isn't great. The best thing about Cala Murray is the 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:27.200 way that he is able to master the deficiencies of 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:30.239 the offensive line. Either the ball comes out so quick 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:32.880 that the pass rush is a non factor, or he 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:35.919 is able to elude and evade pressure and make plays happen, 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:39.080 so the offensive line never looks like they're as bad 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:41.200 as they actually are. It shows up in the running 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:44.760 game because this is not a physical offensive line, unlike 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:48.359 the Cleveland Browns. Their DNA is not in trying to 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:50.800 push people and match people off the line of scrimmage 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:53.719 and to make it a physical contest in the trenches. 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:57.200 And so from a run game perspective, is more deception 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:01.040 and mister direction and trickery as opposed to, Hey, we're 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:03.760 gonna line up and play smashed my football. That said, 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:06.880 because the Cowboys have struggled on the ground, I think 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:08.680 early in the game you will at least see the 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.880 Cardinals try to test him with the running game, and 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:14.240 if the Cowboys stand up early, the running game will 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:17.040 probably fall by the wayside. But if they have any issues, 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:19.360 you will see it persistent in the steady died of 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:23.680 the Rum with Kenyan Drake Buckets. Is Kyler good enough 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:27.520 where you need to have a spy on him? And 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:31.200 if so, who's the spy in this case? Who? Do 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:35.000 the Cowboys have a linebacker or safety that could be 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:39.200 with him? Man? I don't know if man, he is 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:41.080 so quick and explosive, I don't know if you really 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:44.560 can spy him. You know, it's unique because it reminds 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:48.159 me a lot of how Russell Wilson runs around in place. 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:51.279 He only uses it when he absolutely needs it, But 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:53.200 when he does need it, man, he has another year 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:55.960 to go get it. And I think the Russell Wilson 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.400 comparison is at because I think it gives you an 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:02.600 idea of the challenges that the Cowboys could face in 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:05.919 dealing with Colin Murray. Because Colin Murray typically saves his 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:09.479 runs for money downs third down when they need it, 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:11.640 down in the red zone when they have to have it. 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:14.680 He is different than a Lamar Jackson type who is 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:17.520 running because that's kind of like the driving force of 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:20.560 their game. Kyla uses it when he has it. He'll 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:22.280 pull the club out the bag when he needs it. 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:24.880 But he is so good at getting down and so 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:28.800 good at evading and eluding people. Man, you could put 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:30.840 Thomas on him, you could put Smith, like I just 0:07:30.840 --> 0:07:32.600 don't know who can run with him and stick with 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.640 him in that sense. I think the best way to 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:38.040 kind of come after him is you gotta make him 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:40.880 stay in the pocket and as they say in football Church, 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:43.280 you gotta make him throw from the whale, meaning he's 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:47.040 a shorter, undersized quarterback. You need to make him throw 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.360 from the pocket and see if he can find those 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:53.920 lanes against the trees inside, so that means you're outside edge. 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:56.440 Rushes can rush to the depth of his drop, but 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:59.040 they don't want to rush past him and give him 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:02.160 escape lanes. It is really a challenge of your discipline 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:05.840 in your detail as a pass rush, a collective effort 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:08.600 to make sure that you keep him contained and make 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:10.600 him throw from the pocket, don't let him leak out 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:13.680 and run and make plays away from the pocket. Let's 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:15.920 stick with the topic of Kyler Murray and I was 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:17.720 looking at some of the games they've played this year. 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:20.760 Detroit has actually done the best job of of slowing 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:24.240 Murray down, particularly from when it comes to him running. 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:27.760 They were able to hold him to twenty nine rush 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:30.360 yards on five attempts. Detroit goes on to win that 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.080 game twenty six twenty three. What did they do in 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:36.120 that game that allowed them to be successful in that way, 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:38.320 because it does seem like in the games where the 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:41.600 Arizona Cardinals have lost, they have controlled Tyler when it 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:46.439 comes to him running well, you know, like it's funny 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:49.240 because the Detroit lines are typically a heavy man demand 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:51.800 team they didn't play as much man demand against him 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:54.920 that week. When you play a lot of man demand, 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:57.560 your defensive backs and your linebackers have their back to 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:00.160 the quarterback and so if he spots the lane, he 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.000 can take and then he can go for big plays. 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.560 Whereas in zone you have guys who are eyeball in 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:07.800 the quarterback. When he does break, they're able to close 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:10.360 on them quickly. The thing about it, I think it 0:09:10.400 --> 0:09:14.600 was a different plan than the Cardinals anticipated. They had 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:16.640 dialed up all their man beaters and they're throwing man 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:18.959 beaters against zone coverage, and I think it took Cliff 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:22.280 Kingsbury a while to adjust. I think you come back 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:25.400 the next week the Jets try to do a little 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:29.440 more zone, and they absolutely obliterated the zone. So I 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:31.840 think you have to be able to pick your poison 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:34.360 or how you're gonna come after him. I do believe 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.520 with this and Mike Nolan and talking to people around 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:41.400 Mike Nolan, he is not one who really loves being 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:46.040 an aggressive, high pressure play caller. But I think you 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:48.840 have to. You have to mix in some of that stuff, 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:51.960 not only because it disrupts the rhythm of Kyler, but 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:54.760 because the pass rush has been so inconsistent, you're trying 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:58.600 to create one on one matchups by adding another blitzer. 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:01.199 What you do is now get one on ones for 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:03.640 the Marcus Lawrence, you get him from Alden Smith, and 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:06.679 now you're hoping those guys can win. We saw after 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:10.920 Dak Prescott went out. I think Mike Nolan wrapped up 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:13.720 the pressure package a little more because you no longer 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.560 have the luxury of the offense scoring points and now 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:18.880 the onus is really on the defense to get stops. 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:21.480 I think he has to have that same urgency in 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:25.959 this game to be able to contain this offense. But yeah, 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:28.600 I want to go back to the offensive line and 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:32.880 the defensive line matchup there. With the Cowboys losing defensive 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:37.920 tackle Tristan Hill, is are you expecting there to be 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:41.040 a big drop off between the guys who they have 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:45.360 right now and they can plug in. Basically, what I'm 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:48.920 trying to ask, is this a game where Tristan Hill's 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:52.400 absence is going to be really reflected on the field, 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:54.640 or is this a game where the Cowboys can just 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:57.920 figure it out based on the fact that they're facing 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:00.800 an offensive line that is not as great. Well, I mean, 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:02.800 I think they have to figure it out regards to 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:04.840 the team to their face. And then they're lucky because 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:08.439 they don't have a dominant offensive line in front of them, 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:10.800 meaning they don't have maulers and masters at the point 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.720 of attack. They really want to move bodies off the ball. 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:18.240 This is an interesting unit from the Cowboys because Kristen Hill, 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:19.920 like say what you want to say about like the 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:22.480 dirty playing, the penalties and some of the other stuff. 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:24.800 He was getting a great effort and he was playing hard. 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:28.320 His play certainly surpasses what the Cowboys have been getting 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:32.600 from Don Terry Pope. And so now you're digging deep 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:35.400 and you need to figure out Neville Gallimore. Who else 0:11:35.440 --> 0:11:38.800 can come in and give contributions and try and make 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:41.880 an impact on the inside. But really, I think the 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:43.920 guy who has to have to spotlight on him is 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:46.680 you expected more from Don Terry Pope on the inside, 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.040 particularly as a run stuffer. He has to take his 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:51.319 game up a notch because they're going to need all 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:53.040 hands on deck to be able to get this thing 0:11:53.080 --> 0:12:00.280 done with this defense. And my hater, if I don't like, 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:03.200 I struggle to see a way that the Cowboys can 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:06.800 really limit DeAndre Hopkins, Like, it's easy to say double them, 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:10.520 but with the miscommunication problems we've seen between the corners 0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:12.920 and the safeties and this defense, I mean, are you 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:15.240 really are you really accomplishing that much even if you 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.440 do double them? And I'm looking at the stats and 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:20.560 I see Carolina held them to seven catches for forty 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:24.160 one yards. But I just I basically don't think that 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:28.280 the Cowboys can pull that off. Am I wrong? I 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:31.080 mean they can pull it off like so without going 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:33.560 to deepen the weeds. In terms of the scheme, Mike 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:36.520 Nolan wants to play a quarters defense. Many you split 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:39.920 the field quarter quarter quarter with the corners the safeties, 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:41.720 and they kind of split it that way. There's some 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:45.520 matchup man to man principles, and that the cousin of 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:48.920 quarters is what they call quarter quarter a half, meaning 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:51.880 on the field side the way side of the field, 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:55.320 they're playing quarters into the boundary. They're playing almost like 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:58.360 they're playing cover two. So in that defense, what you 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:00.520 can do is you can play man to man on 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:03.960 DeAndre Hopkins with a safety overtop and play zone on 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:06.240 the other side. Now, I would like to think that 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.839 Mike Nolan has that in his bag, because typically when 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.000 you put in quarters, you put in cover two, and 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:14.440 then that gives you the ability to play cover six 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:16.360 or Cover eight, however you want to call it. So 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:19.120 I would think that that is in their bag. It's 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:21.559 just a matter of does he trust his young guys 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:24.719 to be able to play a combination defense to take 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:28.120 away DeAndre Hopkins the thing that you worry about. Typically 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:31.840 from a defensive standpoint, you don't want the stars to 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:35.000 beat you. You don't want DeAndre Hopkins to single handedly 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:37.319 have a two hundred yard day to beat you. So 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:40.480 if you can eliminate him or just neutralize him and 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:43.760 make them go somewhere else, you can live with a 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:47.640 loss if someone else beats you. But it is insanity 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:50.160 if you're going to allow DeAndre Hopkins to go one 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:53.720 on one with Trayvon Diggs and Anthony Brown and expect 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:56.400 those guys to hold up without help. I just I 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:58.520 think that's a flaw strategy if that's the one that 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:02.720 Mike Nolan employs. But you rather have and the best 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:05.280 receiver in the league with an Hall of Famer who 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:09.839 doesn't have it anymore. In a dynamic, I guess slot guy, 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:14.160 punt returner or three an receivers on the other side, 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:18.880 I mean, what would you rather have Cardinals or Cowboys receiving? Well, 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:21.120 I'm gonna take, I'm gonna take. I'm gonna take the 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:24.960 three a's. But the problem is, like it doesn't come 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:28.120 with the automatic quarterback in the package, like with the 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:30.240 Tory bout, Like you don't get the quarterback with it. 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:31.840 And so if you told me that I was gonna 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:33.840 an a level quarterback with the three as, I would 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.200 take it. The only thing that I would say in 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:42.800 comparing the group, DeAndre Hopkins highs exceed what the Cowboys 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:46.000 A's have shown to this point. Almari Cooper has had 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:48.560 some moments, but DeAndre Hopkins for the last three or 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:51.440 four years has been in the conversation for being number 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:54.440 one in the league at that position. And I am 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:58.840 not necessarily the biggest DeAndre Hopkins fans because when I 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:00.400 watched him at Houston, I thought he was more of 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:04.080 a possession receiver. He didn't really create separation. But after 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:06.200 a while, when you see tape after tape for tape 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:08.840 where he is coming down with these acrobatic catches and 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:10.880 these fifty fifty balls, you have to give him his 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:13.880 due he typically is not a great run after catch guy, 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:16.120 but he does have some dominant stuff. But I think 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:18.800 this is a very compelling matchup when it comes to 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:22.120 what kind of wide receiver corp would you want? Do 0:15:22.160 --> 0:15:25.160 you want three guys that can take turns dominating or 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:27.280 do you want a guy that you know it's kind 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:29.640 of like a Lebron James where I know he's going 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:31.960 to get me a triple double and I know I 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:35.760 can count on that each and every week. Well, you 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:37.640 say that he's not a great run after catch guy, 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.080 I think Dave and I both remember him. He's been 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:43.160 in three of the Cowboys there and on his way 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:47.840 to win. Yeah, but as soon as go ahead day 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:51.040 the overtime game, because it was some of the best 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:56.080 jack I can remember. So yeah, And when I said yeah, 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:59.080 when I say that about his jack yards, he's really 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:02.400 kind of a hercu jerky runner playmaker with the ball 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:05.040 in his hands. Like unlike like when Daz Bryant was 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:07.760 in Dallas, Das was like a physical specimen that just 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:10.880 kind of ran through arm tackles or whatever. DeAndre Hopkins 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:12.880 isn't Dad, so I guess he's kind of sneaky with 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:14.800 the rock in his hands. Maybe that's why I don't 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:17.600 give him that added love or whatever. He's definitely one 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:21.040 of the top two or three receivers in the game. Derek, 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:22.400 you and I kind of looked at each other. We 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.760 probably have the same question here about when you said 0:16:26.360 --> 0:16:29.720 that he doesn't have the A level quarterback anymore than 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:33.480 the Cowboys don't. What is the grade on their quarterback? 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:35.600 Exactly where I was going, give me, give me this 0:16:36.480 --> 0:16:41.360 you're talking about going from yeah, talking about the red rifle, Yeah, 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:44.280 talking about which one the red right? Talking about Andy 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:48.600 Dalton Dalton? Okay, So so here here's the thing. Here's 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:52.280 the thing with here's the thing with Andy Dalton. If 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:55.840 Andy Dalton is able to play on script and on rhythm, 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:58.080 he can play at a B plus A minus love, 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:01.800 meaning that if he is a to play catch rock 0:17:01.880 --> 0:17:04.680 and throw football where he is not under the rest 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:07.320 and he is able to just like get the ball out, 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:10.879 he's terrific. If he is under pressure or if he 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:14.240 is forced to improvise, that's when his game falls off. 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:18.240 In Cincinnati, when they had that fortress of an offensive 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:20.360 line and they were playing at their best, Ned Whitworth 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:23.000 and Andrey Smith and those guys. Andy Dalton was a 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:26.080 three time pro bowler. As they began to lose some 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:29.920 of that upfront, his game decline. But make no mistake, 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:33.000 Andy Dalton could back last year, should have been the 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:35.880 starter for Cincinnati the entire time, and he certainly can 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.840 start and play well. The thing will be and I'm 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:42.639 hoping that Kellen Moore has now thought about his comments. 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:43.760 He was like, Oh, I don't think we need to 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:46.679 tweaker offense. We can just play as is and talking 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:49.000 to people. And I got this directly from Hugh Jackson. 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:51.760 Hugh Jackson had told me when Andy Dalton was drafted 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:56.280 out of TCU the reason they took Giovanni Bernard over 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:59.240 Eddie Lacy at running back is because Andy Dalton is 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:02.560 a shotgun spread quarterback. If you ask Andy Dalton to 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:05.160 go up under center to turn his back to the defense, 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:07.800 he doesn't do that as well because he has always 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:11.359 played in shotgun and always done those things. It's not 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:14.840 a coincidence on Sunday when he had the month bot snapped. 0:18:15.600 --> 0:18:18.000 He can do it, but he's not at his best 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:21.280 doing that. So how much with the Cowboys living the 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:24.520 shotgun because that is what Andy Dalton has done, and 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:27.359 can they get the running game with Zeke out of 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:31.480 the shotgun as opposed to in the eye running traditional 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:34.240 downhill sets. I think that is the thing to look 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:39.000 for if they go seventy shotgun. Andy Dalton should be 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:42.000 at his best, but now it's on that offensive line 0:18:42.200 --> 0:18:43.760 to make sure they can protect him enough where you 0:18:43.760 --> 0:18:46.040 can get the ball out within his first and second read. 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:49.000 You don't want him running around man. Really, really great information, 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:51.080 real quick before we let you guy, yet, have one 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:53.359 other question for you. We talked a lot about, or 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.160 you talked a lot about Kyler Murray and DeAndre Hopkins. 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:58.720 Based on what you've seen from this Dallas defense through 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:01.399 five games, who do you suspect will be a bigger 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:05.919 problem for them? Kyler Murray, particularly Klin Murray running or 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:11.280 DeAndre Hopkins down the field. Cayler Murray is the bigger problem. 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:14.080 Kyler Murray is the bigger problem because you can call 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:17.639 the perfect defense where everybody's covered up, and then he 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:21.200 can take off and do those things. And this will 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:24.520 be when we have an opportunity to see if the 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:28.040 effort changes, because Kyler Murray is going to force the 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:32.000 Cowboys to play longer downs, So will Order Smith and 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:35.880 Marcus Lawrence and Everson Griffin, will they chase and give 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:40.040 a seven eight second effort if he's running around? And 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:42.600 can they do it when the Cardinals elect to go 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:45.359 up tempo and they keep that front four on the 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:49.000 field for five, six, seven plays in a row. Because 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:51.720 based on the way you've seen the effort, I would 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:55.160 think Kingsbury will turn up the tempo a little bit 0:19:55.400 --> 0:19:57.880 to see if he can tire them out and see 0:19:58.200 --> 0:20:02.200 will they continue to pursue and push or where they 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:05.440 kind of gas out and become fatigued. So this will 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:09.359 really be um an opportunity to see how far this 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:12.040 defense has grown from the Cleveland game in terms of 0:20:12.080 --> 0:20:15.000 their effort and energy expenditure. All right, Bucky Man, we'll 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:17.399 appreciate you joining us. Really great information. We'll see you 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:19.200 again tomorrow. We're gonna talk a little bit more about 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:21.399 this Arizona team, but we'll talk about the Arizona defense 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:23.760 versus the Cowboys offense. 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