WEBVTT - Aliens with Andrew Ti 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:03.680 On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:07.720 women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:12.160 or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef and best 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:16.159 start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hello, and 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:18.400 welcome to the Bechdel Cast. My name is Caitlin Darante. 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:21.200 My name is Jamie Loftus, and we talk about the 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:24.000 portrayal of women in movies on our podcast. Yeah, we 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:26.640 do every week, every freaking week. How many weeks? Now? 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:32.000 So many? I'm like coming into this episode worried, how come? 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:36.839 Because we're in a genre that I hate, and so 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:40.599 I'm skewed. I see, we're in my least favorite genre. 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:45.400 I'm I'm sorry, real negat Well, um, we're in I 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:49.800 would say, my favorite genre. So can we even be friends? No? 0:00:49.960 --> 0:00:52.920 After this? No? No, But but we should be because 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:55.600 this is our I mean, I think, our our our 0:00:55.680 --> 0:01:02.880 best director and have one very big Jim Cameron joint 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:06.399 that we love and appreciate very much. Um that being, 0:01:06.480 --> 0:01:12.679 of course Ghosts of the Abyss. Honestly, James Cameron. The 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:14.959 thing with James Cameron, he should have just been an 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:18.800 oceanographer and saved us all sometime I disagree because he's 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:22.160 directed a lot of movies that I deeply love. What 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:27.240 movie is he not submerged in? Is he submerged? Terminator? Terminator? Two? 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:30.440 Does a terminator not swim? I do not believe he 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:35.000 would short. Oh wait, because he's a robot. Yeah, he's 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:38.200 one zeros. I like robots right now, Well that you 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:40.120 got one in the movie we're talking about today. I 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:43.759 know he is a man, though, and that means this 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:47.440 conversation did not pass the Bechtel test. Hey wow, that 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:50.559 was actually a very great transition. Thank you so much so. 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:53.720 On the Bechtel Cast we discuss, as I said, the 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:56.840 portrayal of women in movies. We use the Bectel test 0:01:56.960 --> 0:02:00.480 as a jumping off point to initiate a larger versation 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:04.480 about the portrayal of women. The Becto test being for 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:09.400 us to female identifying characters have to have names, they 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:12.040 have to speak to each other, and their conversation cannot 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:15.239 be about a man. Right, Can we beta test it 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:17.280 really quick? I have I have a thought I'd like 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:19.480 to express, and I think it passes the Bechdel test. 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:21.519 But you know, it's sort of it gets a little 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:26.000 murky at Hey, Caitlin, Hey Jamie, I think the Deadpool 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:29.120 too is for losers. You know what, Jamie, And I 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:31.240 won't go I see what you're saying, and I think 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:34.520 this already does not pass the Bechdel tests because Deadpool 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:36.880 is But I'm not talking I'm talking about the movie. 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:38.960 I'm not talking about the guy. Well. I mean, you 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:42.200 can't talk about Deadpool the movie without recognizing that it's 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:46.280 about Deadpool, the character who is male identifying Deadpool two 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:49.079 is for losers. And I'm not going to go. Well, Um, 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:52.519 t J. Miller, isn't it? And he can fuck right off, 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:55.640 He can funk right off, but he won't. He will not. 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:58.799 He never will anyway. So um, that was not necessarily 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:01.320 the best example of a conversation passing the back door 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:04.959 test example of discourse, It sure was. I agree. Hey, 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:09.960 let's introduce our guests. He is the host of the 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:15.160 great podcast. Yo? Is this racist? Ander? T O? Hi? Hi, 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:17.720 thanks for being here, Thanks for having me. So you 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:22.799 brought us aliens. Wow, I feel like it got brought 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:27.400 to all of us. Let's not. It got hatched for us, 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.800 got hatched from an egg and then implanted into our 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:35.680 chest cavities for business for Yeah, for capitalism for business, 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:39.080 business bads as this movie. So that's cool. We have 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:43.120 done the movie Alien on this podcast already with guests 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:45.720 Eliza Skinner. I went back and re listened to that episode. 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:49.160 It is one of our grosser episodes, and that we 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:54.640 spend almost the entire time talking about either jizz or jizz, 0:03:54.640 --> 0:03:58.920 blood or vaginal flaps. Can we can we unpack that 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:00.800 a little bit? Why do you think just just blood 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:03.240 and vaginal flaps are gross? I think that's actually like 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:05.800 a beautiful thing. Well, is a good point in part 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:09.080 of the human experience? My bad? Um? I just I 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:12.560 guess I suppose the language we were using was invoking 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:18.320 some imagery that might flaps be considered unpleasant flaps. Yeah, 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:20.440 I would like to talk about I wasn't going to 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:22.320 talk about I didn't have any flaps in my notes. 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:26.320 But maybe that's because we've just grown over the next year. Well, 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:28.800 that's the other thing about that episode is that there 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:32.520 wasn't a whole lot of discourse that we had necessarily right. 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:34.680 But I think this episode is going to be different. 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:38.480 It's going to be so discourse heavy that are our 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:42.839 flaps will come on? Our flaps will start kidding. There's 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.880 a there's a lot more direct flap imagery in this 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:49.640 movie than in Alien, I believe. I think this was like, well, 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:52.440 I guess that's more of everything. There's more of every 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:56.760 every gross thing. That's the plural. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:04:56.800 --> 0:05:00.520 it's it's it's all of them. Um. So, Andrew, what's 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:04.799 your history your relationship to Aliens? Just aliens in general, 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:08.280 not the movie? Oh good, well, I guess I had 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:12.560 my first encounter. Aliens is probably a movie that I 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:21.440 mostly saw in pieces in edited on TNT. Probably did 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:25.920 they edit out the flaps? They must have, you know, 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:29.080 But I think I think the thing, I think if 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:33.640 you edit out any of the like over alien vagina imagery, 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:36.559 you have to edit it like like it is actually 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.360 really hard to draw the line. It's like, oh this 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:41.800 is too much. Well then how come the last thing 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:44.160 wasn't too much? And then I don't think you could 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:47.640 have a movie, because the whole point is Dixon Vagina's right. 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:51.599 I mean, the vagina monster is a is a tale 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:55.640 as old as time, of course, but you see, you 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.160 can't help but look at the vagina monsters and all 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:00.640 these James Cameer movies and be like poorcast from Bigelow. 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:06.000 Wait all these Yeah, I think this might be the 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:09.680 only one. There's no two the well, both alien movies 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:12.120 are flat heavy. But he had nothing to do with 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:14.400 the first one. He didn't know. I have to go 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:20.240 or the third one? Right, and that's also the most 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:23.760 underwater one. So are just all our narratives? No? The 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:28.600 fourth one is, yeah, they swim through a big room 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:31.760 full of watered Winona writers. There. That's right, Oh, you're right, 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:34.440 it is for Yeah. I have since seen all of 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:40.480 the except minus any of the Alien Versus Predator. I 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:44.239 have not seen those, but those are to be totally honest, 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:47.400 as far as these movies go, probably the best ones. 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:50.840 They're the ones that absolutely know what they are. They 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:54.680 do exactly what they promise. They do not think they're 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:57.720 smarter than they are. I'm deadly serious. Any of the 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:00.000 Alien Versus Predators are better than any of the Alien 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:02.200 in movies or any of the product or movies. Wow, 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:05.480 well you know what, I'm gonna argue with you a 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:07.240 little bit on that one. I have not seen any 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:10.560 of the A B movies, but um, I mean I 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:12.920 really like alien and I really like aliens and that's 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:16.000 where it stops from. So, Jamie, you said that you 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:19.440 don't like this genre. I like this genre a lot, 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:22.440 and I especially like aliens. And I didn't really grow 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:24.080 up with this movie. I don't think it's not until 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:27.640 somewhere in my twenties. Yeah, yeah, same, sorry to finish 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:30.600 my history. Yeah no, no, that's it. You just reminded me. 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:32.520 It's like I watched parts of it a lot as 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:34.360 a kid, and then I think I must have watched 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:36.720 the whole thing. I don't know, hungover in my twenties 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:38.440 at some point. I don't know, it is kind of 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:41.320 a hangover movie. Yeah, And that it's a little to 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:46.920 twenty minutes long, and that Bradi Cooper and Zachal in 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:52.320 it carrying around a baby. I might as well. I mean, 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:56.080 new is sort of baby that they're carrying. Yeah. There 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:58.120 were three different points where I was like, oh that 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:00.120 I like. In my notes, I wrote the climax to 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:02.280 the movie, and for three days I was like, when 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:05.520 is it going to Then there's just more of vagina 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:08.240 monsters in the next scene, and it's like, yes, Queen, 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:10.920 go off, or I want to go home, Like I 0:08:10.960 --> 0:08:13.000 just I just I don't know, do you think it 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:15.920 was too long, or do you think we could have sorry, 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.520 like kept on going too long, or do you think 0:08:18.840 --> 0:08:22.120 they just took way too much exposition at the top, 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:25.080 because that's where I was like the exposition was. It's 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:28.480 so slow. It's very slow. There's a lot of like 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:31.320 and fake outs. There's like a boring scene that is 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.920 a fake out where you're like the like the opening scene, 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.560 where're like, it's boring, and then briefly horror, and then 0:08:37.600 --> 0:08:42.600 it was a what why? Who cares? Who cares? It's 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:47.000 establishing her mindset, the horror that she experienced. I think 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:51.120 it's there for a reason. It's just eighteen. You would 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:54.760 do that in literally under one second. She would look 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:58.280 at one photograph and then we'd be like, we get it. Yes, 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:00.480 this movie did come out in nineteen eighty six, which 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:05.679 is also the year I was born, so much so Jamie, 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:08.640 you saw it for the first time Saturday Saturday night, 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:11.760 did not like it. But it's like one of those 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:14.000 things where it's like I can recognize that this movie 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:17.280 succeeds on a lot of levels and also never want 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:20.720 to see it again. Sure, yeah, Well should I get 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:24.160 into the recap? Yeah? Recap Okay, let's recap. So the 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:27.760 story basically picks up where Alien leaves off, which is 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:29.800 where I forget what happens in the first one. At 0:09:29.840 --> 0:09:34.280 the end of Alien, the alien has infiltrated the ship, 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:38.360 killed everyone. The main frame, killed everyone on board except 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:41.320 for Ripley. She's the only survivor. She gets into and 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:47.080 Jonesy the cat queer icon I would say eight nippled icon. 0:09:47.760 --> 0:09:51.040 Cat facts with Caitlin. Also, hey, wait, just real quick, 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:55.560 I I have learned another cat factor to what that's 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:58.560 not part of the bit. People have been really upset 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:01.160 that I only know the one cat. So here I 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:04.200 am proving to you all that I know that a 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:09.199 group of cats is called a clouder. That's fun rights 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:14.520 fun d cloud clouder. Oh that's pleasant. How did we 0:10:14.600 --> 0:10:16.840 not know that? I don't know, but now you know. 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:19.600 And this is cat facts with Caitlin. Also, a cat 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:23.280 can jump up to six times its own length, and 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:26.880 cat owners are seventeen percent more likely to have a 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:29.679 graduate degree, which I think is a great transition into 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:34.800 my graduate degree, which I do have, a screenwriting Masters 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:36.800 from Boston University. I don't like to bring it up, 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:41.680 but the cat, uh not at this time, not right now, 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:43.600 but I have in the past and I will in 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:47.240 the future anyway. Okay, So the end of Alien is 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:50.280 Ripley is the only survivor. She gets into an escape pod, 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:54.600 objects the alien out into space, and then goes into hypersleep, 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:57.200 which is where this movie picks up. She has found 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:00.480 kind of just like floating around the universe, like, hey, 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:03.040 who are you? When what And she's like, oh, no, 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:07.760 I've been asleep for fifty seven years. That her daughter 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:09.679 that we didn't know she had in the first one. 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:12.720 I don't think. I think grew old and passed away, 0:11:12.960 --> 0:11:16.640 which I will say, she does react to this. This 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:19.439 is part of the Ripley character that I find very interesting. 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:25.440 She's able to compartmentalize that devastating fact pretty efficiently, like 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:27.680 which I mean, we'll get into the more when we 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:31.600 discussed the character in depth. But she whip saws trauma 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:33.920 around a lot in these movies because a lot of 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:39.200 terrible ship happens to her, like incessantly. Nothing good ever 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:44.000 happens to her ever once she's cursed. But I was like, 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.439 amazing that, Like, you do see her react to it. 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:48.280 It's not like the movie ignores it, but then it 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:50.480 kind of In the next scene, she's like at a meeting, 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:55.800 I was like, whoa, Yes, she's like having bedridden for years, 0:11:56.880 --> 0:12:03.160 she did have she had a dead daughter. Yes. In 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:06.400 the next scene, she's like giving a deposition of sorts 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:11.480 about this alien attack, basically recapping and doing a Ripley's 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:16.240 famous recap of the first Believe it or Not recap right, 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:20.880 believe that's the big No one believes her because they're not. 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:25.000 They're they're mad that she destroyed their expensive ship and 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:29.200 they demote her. She did. They made a big deal 0:12:29.240 --> 0:12:31.720 about how that ship was a total ship hole in 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:35.319 the first who cares? And also what company fifty years 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:37.240 later would be like, We're really like, that's if some 0:12:37.440 --> 0:12:39.720 if now someone was like that thing that happened in 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:43.920 the late sixties were still extremely salty about, like when 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:46.600 you crash my car. Fifty years when I quit my 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:48.599 last day job, I made sure to walk away with 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.640 an extremely powerful fan that I'd stolen from my office 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:56.480 from a set where I'm going to make fan out 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:59.520 of you carrying a large fan out of a fan 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:03.040 are a fan of fan? But then also, wow, I'm 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:07.679 holding a fan. I'm a big I'm a big I'm 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:09.240 a fan of fan, I'm a fan of the fan, 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.000 so it's really a triple fan kind of thing. Yeah, 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:16.560 I'm personally a fan of fan fan art. So nanis 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:24.280 anyway tidy coming out of yours. So they Ripley's believe 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:26.240 it or not. They do not believe it. They do 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:30.760 not until they learn of an alien attack on the 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:33.560 same planet that they had like honed in on the 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:36.720 beacon in the first movie and found the alien ship 0:13:36.760 --> 0:13:39.840 and all of that. Since then, people have been colonizing 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.120 it and trying to like terraform it and all this stuff. 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:44.400 And she's like, we'll check out that planet, and they're like, 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:47.560 we have, and nothing's there except there is something there. 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:56.640 That ship is still there and the alien there's also 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.040 in that whole meeting scene because we're supposed to be 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:02.640 in the distant future at this point, because the because 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:06.200 alien is in the distant future, and then Aliens is 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.800 fifty seven years after the distant future, but everyone still 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:14.800 has the same terrible haircut from and using computers from 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:20.120 that era as well. They're using big fat, thick computers. Yeah. Look, 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:22.920 I don't know why you're criticizing this perfect movie. All right, anyway, 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:25.800 I have a double collar situation going on, Like I 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.160 don't think he actually does, but his vibe feels like 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:31.840 he does. Like two shirts. He feels like two shirts, 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:37.440 two shirts. You good name? Yeah, a good white rapper names. 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:42.920 Also Bill Paxson's in this movie. Yes, I'm almost almost there. 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:45.600 He's not doing a good job. So the company and 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:48.400 all these people don't believe her and her alien attack 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:51.600 story until these aliens attack the people on this planet. 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:54.600 So Ripley is called in to help, and she eventually 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:58.160 agrees and she's like fine, and then all these marines 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:01.120 are also the kind of black her. They're like, you're 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:03.320 a dock worker, but you can go all the way 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:06.160 from being a dock worker to like fifth in charge 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:09.880 of like a shitty shitty ship. Right. They basically give 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:14.000 her title back, which they took away for not believing 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:17.200 the thing that happened to her. Um, they this movie 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:19.600 starts with someone not believing what a woman says in 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:23.560 spite of ample evidence. Right now, timely m hm. So 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.680 this whole crew of marines joined her on this sort 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:30.400 of like recon rescue mission. So there's Gorman, he's like 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:33.720 the commanding officer type of dude. Burke is Paul Riser, 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.680 the guy who like speaks on behalf of the company. Yeah, 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:40.800 he's Mr Bear's. Yeah, there's Bill Paxton playing Hudson. There's 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:43.680 a Charter named Drake. There's Hicks, there's a Poem, there's Frost, 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.560 There's Bishop, he's the artificial person. Those are the dudes 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:50.600 of the women. There's Vesquez, Pharaoh and Dietrich and then 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:52.440 I think I'm probably leaving some people out, but those 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:54.240 are kind of the main players. I feel like they 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:58.480 take they do take pains to kind of integrate the military, 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:02.600 Like there's women and they are doing all of the 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:07.080 available jobs, like Akas is the big guns. Yes, yeah, 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.280 well oh yeah, well we'll talk about this, but yeah, 0:16:10.040 --> 0:16:13.720 dare you Okay. So they arrive on the planet, they 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:17.440 scope the place out. They find Newt, who is like 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:21.720 the sole survivor of the alien attack on this colony 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:24.840 of somewhere around a hundred or more people. Um, Newt 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:27.760 is an eleven year old girl. She's dirty, she's dirty, 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:30.960 and Riley is like, I used to have an eleven 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:34.400 year old girl, and this one's here now, so I'm 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:38.560 going to treat her like she's my new daughter. Adorable. 0:16:38.640 --> 0:16:45.080 It's cute, adorable. I love it. Just grimy, weird acting 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:48.160 little child. Okay. So then the crew goes in. They 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:51.920 find the big alien nest. Some aliens attack them, a 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:55.080 few people die. They try to leave the planet, but 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:58.000 an alien has gotten into their like spacecraft and kills 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:01.640 all the flight crew and then the space crashes and 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:04.520 they can't leave the planet now, so they're stuck. They 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:07.960 go back inside the facility. They set up some gun traps. 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:11.199 Bishops like, hey, I'm gonna go find another ship and 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:17.959 like do a manual override and saying, oh gosh. So 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:20.240 the aliens come back. They're like closing in on them. 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:25.240 Burke is like I'm a capitalist, and everyone's like you motherfucker. Oh, 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.560 And he tries to have Ripley and New impregnated to 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:31.240 get past quarantine. It's a whole thing. It doesn't work, 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:34.560 and then it gets captured. So Ripley's like, I gotta 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:36.600 go back in for she's still alive, and she is 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.800 like the planets about to fall apart, planets covered and flap, 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:45.040 it's just very flapping. It's flat planet. So yeah, Ripley 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:47.439 like she ties some guns together. She goes in and 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:50.960 gets newt and then she stumbles across the Queen Alien 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:55.320 and her like whole nest of eggs and she's like, oh, 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:58.399 ship and then they managed to escape, but the queen 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:00.600 gets on the ship and then there's this big battle 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:04.000 at the end and Ripley puts her forklift suit on 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.720 and kills the queen being delivers a line and it's 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:11.520 like God, away from her, you bitch, and then slap 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:16.240 clap and we clap, and then the flap when the 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:19.000 flaps are squirting in a man is torn in half, 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:23.679 but he's fine, and and then the little kid is 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:28.120 released and she delivers a line and then it ends. 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:36.119 That's it. So that's the story of Aliens. I just 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:38.960 call Alien too. Yeah, well we've been so easy. It's 0:18:38.960 --> 0:18:41.679 I feel like this is so confusing. Yeah, and then 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:45.719 the next one they call Alien three three, but it's like, cue, 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:50.399 what so stupid? And now when they sell all of 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:53.840 the movies together they call it a quadrilogy, which is like, 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:58.360 I just want to say, it's tetralogy or would be 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:04.080 if it's four, oh, like tetrahedron for I think, don't 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:11.439 correct me. Quatrilogy sound yes, it sounds okay. I have 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:15.600 a lot of thoughts on this movie because, unlike most 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:18.320 action movies of this era and then all of the 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:23.080 ones to date, I think it does a fairly good 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:27.760 job portraying not just one female character, but a at 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:33.760 least sizeable bullish cast of them. Yes, between Ripley and Vasquez, 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:39.240 which there's plenty to talk about with that character. Um, 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:42.400 But then also Newt. I think in a lot of 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:45.960 movies like this, a small child, especially a female one, 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:48.879 would be treated like a huge burden and be the 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:52.480 source of a lot of like obstacles and like we 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:55.000 have to rescue you and protect you the whole time. 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:56.920 But like new it's actually doing a lot to sort 0:19:56.920 --> 0:19:59.760 of contribute to. Well, yeah, there's a few different moments 0:19:59.800 --> 0:20:02.399 where her knowledge is like key to moving the plat forward, 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:06.760 Like when they go into the too be things where 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:08.800 you grew up and she knows how to navigate them, 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:11.800 And yeah, you need a greasy tunnel child to fight 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:16.359 greasy rat, the greasy bugs. She's a she's a street rat, 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:20.760 and they need that. They need that, and just a 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:23.000 bunch of marines can solve it. But no, you need 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:29.320 just fucking filthy child. Well, there's there, we're outsourcing it. 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:32.360 We've got a third party client. There's a dirty kid 0:20:32.400 --> 0:20:36.080 we found. There's a great conversation between Bill Paxson's character 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:39.800 and Ripley where Bill Patson's like, we won't let seen 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:44.520 out here and Ripley's like, this little girl lasted longer 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:47.359 than that without any weapons or training, and he's like, 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:50.120 let's put her in charge then, and it's like, honestly, 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:53.680 let's like, okay, let's not take it to the place 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:56.919 where we're putting a dirty child in charge of the ship. Lastly, 0:20:57.000 --> 0:20:59.800 I think that would be very progressive. And I want 0:20:59.840 --> 0:21:03.640 to see that movie. It's called Jimmy Neutron. The kids 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:07.679 are in charge and it's a nightmare. I think, Oh, 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:11.760 here's as a retroctor theory about Jimmy Neutron. It was 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:13.920 a really fun movie designed to keep kids in their 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:17.480 place and they're like, you need parents, see or you'll 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:22.520 end up like Jimmy Neutron. Yeah, usaid have a crush 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:26.280 and the one who peed in the shower. Anyways, Yeah, 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:29.480 the character of new there's also a few different moments, 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:32.920 like the scenes between her and Ripley are generally very nice. 0:21:33.720 --> 0:21:37.520 Um and aren't too heavy handed with like that I 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:41.240 am your mommy now, which I feel like a less 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:44.720 good movie would have really played those moments up to 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:48.479 be like obnoxious kind of this movie doesn't. And then 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:50.960 there's also that kind of like fun little subversion where 0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:55.120 Ripley patronizes New a little bit by being like, your 0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:59.440 doll would be brave, and she's like, it's a doll's plastic. 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:04.800 It's not feel shit, Sigourney Weaver, don't patronize me. And 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:08.320 then Sigourney Weaver apologize this, and I was like, I'm sorry, 0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:10.600 You're right, that was weird. I was like, Wow, what 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:13.720 a pleasant discussion this was. It would be fine if 0:22:13.760 --> 0:22:17.600 that little girl was smoking a cigarette that entire movie, like, 0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:19.159 it would not be out of place if she was 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:21.040 just like, you don't know the ship I've seen lady. 0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:23.280 She is wise beyond her years, and the fact that 0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:27.320 she's the only survivor of what seems like mostly adults 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:30.320 is like, I think, pretty remarkable. She's a slippery little 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:34.720 tunnel kid. Don't funk with this little sh I wasn't 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:36.720 paying close enough attention because I got real bored in 0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:41.119 the first acts. It's she the kid from the family 0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:43.920 that finds that that gets sent Okay, so right, Yeah, 0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:47.960 So I'm honestly I'm pretty impressed with the movie's depiction 0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:51.119 of that child character because I think a lot of 0:22:51.160 --> 0:22:54.000 movies will be like, oh, well, here's this extra burden 0:22:54.080 --> 0:22:56.479 that you have to deal with that like really just 0:22:56.480 --> 0:22:58.960 has to be dragged along. But in this movie, she's 0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:01.480 like given a purpose and like actually contributes to the 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:04.719 progression of the plot at some points, and like the 0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:07.520 connection she makes with Ripley makes a lot of sense 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:10.919 for both of them. Uh and um, like you said it, 0:23:10.920 --> 0:23:12.600 it's like not too heavy handed. I think the movie 0:23:12.600 --> 0:23:16.280 shows a lot of restraint in that relationship, which I appreciate. Yeah, 0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:18.400 like a lesser movie would have had like a lot 0:23:18.440 --> 0:23:23.159 of embraces and music swelling where this movie actra and 0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:25.840 that does happen. In Alien four, we're Succourinea. We were 0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:28.639 talking to Winona writer and basically it's like you're my 0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:32.280