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Speaker 2: It's our second episode of the year. We are on

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Speaker 2: the Stick. It is so nice to have you in

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because now you have a job that is

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Speaker 2: same time five pm Eastern Power Hour on Amazon Prime

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Speaker 2: Video on Demand, Now on Demand and live. Usually you're

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Speaker 2: in Australia for like entirety of the winter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, normally I am down there and all of December

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Speaker 1: But more importantly, I will be going down in a

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Speaker 1: more time. Christy on Christy, Welcome to our podcast.

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Speaker 4: Thanks thanks for having me. I'm super excited, honored to

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Speaker 4: be on here with two legends.

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Speaker 1: So wow honored.

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Speaker 3: One of my favorite things in getting to know you

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Speaker 2: No, although maybe me sarcastic now, it's how devoted you

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Speaker 2: are to the snacks. Snacks you are really I've not

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Speaker 2: met anybody. Maybe it has more to do with your age,

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Speaker 2: pop up shops, and I feel like, what a privilege

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Speaker 1: What have you been up to? Meat and potatoes. I

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Speaker 1: to get to, like the decision making process for you.

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Speaker 1: Why eventually you stopped, because I think it's always an

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Speaker 5: So I was actually going to retire in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 4: It was during the grass swing, which is always you

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Speaker 4: So working with different entities, working with you know, we

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Speaker 2: to decide things, like you know, Sethnus Tuzipas taking a

441
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Speaker 2: much of it. Again, this is ATP, not to Beta,

442
00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,199
Speaker 2: but him taking a bunch of medical timeouts that it's

443
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:17,119
Speaker 2: not against the rules versus hey, should the ATP have

444
00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,399
Speaker 2: a domestic violence policy? I'm more concerned about the latter,

445
00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,800
Speaker 2: frankly than the former, even though the former's more annoying

446
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:24,520
Speaker 2: to watch on TV, you know what I mean. And

447
00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,479
Speaker 2: so just having this feeling like people like you are

448
00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,240
Speaker 2: at those tables making those decisions makes me happy because

449
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,880
Speaker 2: it's I know you're not you know, I know you're

450
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Speaker 2: trying to take into account a lot of difference, you know,

451
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Speaker 2: sort of factors and interests.

452
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Speaker 4: Well, and one thing for the bathroom break as well,

453
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Speaker 4: for us as women is we have a time of

454
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Speaker 4: the month at a one hundred percent and so everyone

455
00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:47,080
Speaker 4: needs to pee. But sometimes things happen with that you're

456
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Speaker 4: not prepared for.

457
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Speaker 5: So what happens in those cases?

458
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Speaker 4: Just being very you know, and you know, Wimbledon changing

459
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,320
Speaker 4: their policy for the undershorts is that's huge, Like, yeah,

460
00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,239
Speaker 4: that they're actually listening to women and you know, not

461
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Speaker 4: just thinking about their rules, but also taking into account

462
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Speaker 4: that times are changing. That okay, like we went stricter

463
00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,960
Speaker 4: with the all white policy, but now we're seeing that, Okay,

464
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Speaker 4: maybe we should take a step back and realize that, like.

465
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Speaker 2: The that's a disadvantage for players exactly, and it can

466
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Speaker 2: complicate things. Yeah, no, you're totally right, and it should

467
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Speaker 2: be an evolving, you know, an involving conversation Australian open

468
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Speaker 2: and it's it's the stakes are incredibly high.

469
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Speaker 1: Are we ready?

470
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Speaker 5: Are we ready to.

471
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Speaker 1: Dive into this? We're ready.

472
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Speaker 3: It's gonna it's gonna happen in about ten days.

473
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Speaker 4: But what what just about the Netflix real quick? Which

474
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Speaker 4: is one point thing is that you know, I've seen

475
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Speaker 4: everyone say we have to remember that this is not

476
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Speaker 4: for us, it's for.

477
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Speaker 5: Us the players, Yes, us, Well, us people who are already.

478
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Speaker 4: In the sports, whether it's you're a tennis Twitter person

479
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 4: or a you know, like someone who is invested in

480
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Speaker 4: your favorite player or whatever, or a player yourself. It's

481
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Speaker 4: this is for people who know virtually nothing about the sport.

482
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 4: They might know the biggest names, but they maybe have

483
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 4: never watched a match. So we're going to see a

484
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Speaker 4: lot of themes that we've probably sick and tired of hearing,

485
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 4: of the pressure, the intensity, and so for us it

486
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Speaker 4: might just be like an eye roll of like, oh, yeah,

487
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Speaker 4: we know this already, but this could be massive for

488
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Speaker 4: people to get an interest into the sport. A lot

489
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Speaker 4: of people don't know the mental battles that players have

490
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Speaker 4: being out there by themselves and like the demons that

491
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Speaker 4: we have to face. We don't have a coach sitting

492
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Speaker 4: there like team sports, so like for.

493
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Speaker 5: Them to be exposed to this, to be exposed to.

494
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Speaker 4: The what goes on in the head of a player

495
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Speaker 4: of a team for the first time, that could that

496
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Speaker 4: can honestly be like and people, you know, some people

497
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Speaker 4: want a gatekeep tennis and say we don't want casual fans,

498
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Speaker 4: but like we need.

499
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Speaker 5: Them, we need the sport.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the best way to look at that is

501
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Speaker 1: I have never sat and watched an F one race

502
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Speaker 1: in my life, and I watched F one Drive to

503
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Speaker 1: Survive and I was like, oh my god, I can't

504
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Speaker 1: wait to watch this sport now. And I had zero

505
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Speaker 1: And when I say zero interest in F one, I

506
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Speaker 1: had zero interest in F one. And so for me,

507
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Speaker 1: now I know the drivers, I know the teams, I

508
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Speaker 1: know the managers, I know the you know the agents

509
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: of the drivers, all because of that series. So I

510
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 1: think the bottom line is for us, Yes, it's not

511
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Speaker 1: fort technically for us the inside of tennis world, but

512
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Speaker 1: it is for everybody like me at F one, like

513
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Speaker 1: U Kitlin and F one I'm sure you as well.

514
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Speaker 1: Christy is like, we weren't interested in F one and

515
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now we're interested in F one

516
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Speaker 1: because of this series. So hopefully that's what the audience

517
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Speaker 1: this brings into this.

518
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Speaker 2: I was having a conversation with a friend of mine

519
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Speaker 2: named deb who wants to come on the show and

520
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Speaker 2: actually do a netflixents when we are in a position

521
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Speaker 2: to be able to talk about it more. Yes, step

522
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Speaker 2: He was basically saying that he helps one of the

523
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Speaker 2: things that gets changed in addition to your common about

524
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Speaker 2: bringing casual fans, which we need. And I think seeing

525
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Speaker 2: some of these scenes at early rounds and tournaments, especially

526
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Speaker 2: tournaments that are not Grand Slams in this stadium hugely

527
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Speaker 2: being twenty twenty five percent full, hugely important, Which is

528
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Speaker 2: I want to push some of the commentators to be

529
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Speaker 2: thoughtful about how they are bringing people into this board.

530
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Speaker 2: And I don't mean talking down or making it too basic,

531
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Speaker 2: but I do think and watching the US Open in particular,

532
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Speaker 2: you know this past year, when I was like really

533
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Speaker 2: frustrated at how insidery and how the same dust the

534
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Speaker 2: anecdotes keep being brought out, especially by players people who

535
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Speaker 2: are former players. I'm and I'm you're really good about

536
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 2: not doing this, about making sure that people do understand

537
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Speaker 2: what the players are going through from a perspective that

538
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 2: you don't necessarily want to hear somebody who played tennis

539
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,919
Speaker 2: in the eighties professionally who's not super prepared maybe or

540
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 2: doesn't know how to pronounce the names, And I want

541
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Speaker 2: that to feel like there should be a little bit

542
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 2: of pressure for them to do better, you know, like

543
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Speaker 2: if we're going to have the same names commentating on

544
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Speaker 2: tennis from the same couple of broadcasts and outlets, and

545
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Speaker 2: especially if they haven't played pro tennis in thirty years,

546
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Speaker 2: Let's try to do a little bit more fan service,

547
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 2: especially if some of those fans who now because of

548
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 2: Netflix's series are tuning in for the first time. Don't

549
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,160
Speaker 2: have you know, a familiarity with you know, a match

550
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 2: that took place in the eighties. You know what I'm

551
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 2: saying like that to me is don't use the phrase

552
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 2: consolidate the break. To consolidate the break, what does that

553
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 2: mean for somebody or or guessing is to the player's

554
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 2: mental state as them being tense, which is like one

555
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,360
Speaker 2: male commentator's crutch that he's been using for the last

556
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Speaker 2: forty years. So I'm not saying we need to fire

557
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Speaker 2: them and replace them, although maybe we should. It's just

558
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Speaker 2: more like, everybody, let's look alive here. If we've got

559
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Speaker 2: a bunch of new fans coming to our sport.

560
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Speaker 1: For the first time.

561
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I wonder if I wonder if the world's tennis

562
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 4: is actually ready for it, Like you just see so

563
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 4: many more eyes eyeballs on the spot, Like it's a

564
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 4: lot of pressure, and not just for like players, but

565
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Speaker 4: just the you know, the infrastructure of tennis, we've been

566
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 4: very isolated. Yeah, yeah, And I can say one of

567
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 4: the one of the things about.

568
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Speaker 2: Racket that we've found is that we have had so

569
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Speaker 2: much of an easier time talking to people who are

570
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 2: new and we get so much pushback from people inside

571
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Speaker 2: the space. Who is this for? Why are you guys

572
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 2: doing this? Why are you guys critical? Why aren't you

573
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 2: writing glowing? And it's because any other sport has a

574
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 2: robust media apparatus where a lot of people are asking

575
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 2: a lot of different questions, and you know what, the players,

576
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 2: the agents, the governing bodies, they develop some thick skin

577
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: because they understand that it is just all in service

578
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 2: of the audience growth and holding people accountable. Tennis hasn't

579
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 2: had that, and I'm really excited at the prospect that

580
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,479
Speaker 2: it will start, because then we'll stop looking like these

581
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 2: guys who are just at the thorn in the side,

582
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Speaker 2: and be hopefully viewed as what we actually are, which

583
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 2: is trying to grow the sport.

584
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Speaker 1: What we said last week was that Tennis in general

585
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: needs to get it shipped together, is what we said.

586
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: That's right, So this will be an opportunity, Like you said,

587
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Speaker 1: I think that's a really good point, Christy, that I

588
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: don't know if tennis is prepared for this, you know,

589
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: if we do get new eyeballs, which we will, and

590
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: a growing brand after watching this this Netflix series, are

591
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Speaker 1: you prepared to cater to those people? Necessarily your insiders,

592
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: not necessarily your you know, you're just hardline tennis fans.

593
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: We need you, guys to be prepared for people that

594
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: actually now love tennis from watching the series, but have

595
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: no idea about how to score. Yeah, right, and how

596
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: can we keep that?

597
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 5: Yeah?

598
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: And how do you keep them? Yeah? So that's what

599
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: we're going to send that to the WTA and ATP

600
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 1: and I already said it last week.

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Speaker 3: Get your shit together, Yeah, everybody can look alive.

602
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 1: Australian Open. Let's go, Yeah, let's go. What do we

603
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: think about? Okay, so our Chirez is out? What a bummer?

604
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 5: But the goat Yeah yeah he's back.

605
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's back.

606
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 2: Now eggs looking on unstoppable and he's buffed. Did you

607
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 2: guys notice he gained like ten to fifteen pounds muscle?

608
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 2: This guy is starting to look No, I'm serious, have

609
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: you not really?

610
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: Yeah?

611
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 3: Look at look at the photos of him online look

612
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 3: at some of his matches, like.

613
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Speaker 4: I mean, he's had a he I feel like he's

614
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 4: been training for this moment, like this is three year

615
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 4: for a year, yeah, for two years now he's I

616
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 4: mean in Australian Open is literally his It's yeah, this

617
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 4: is where he I.

618
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Speaker 1: Actually I think it was good for him. Also in Adelaide,

619
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Speaker 1: he was pushed like big time. I mean, obviously look

620
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 1: match point to seb Quarter and kudos to seb Quarter.

621
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Speaker 1: You know, I talked about Taylor Fritz was, I feel

622
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: like going to have a great year this year. I

623
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Speaker 1: think he may even get to a final of a

624
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 1: Grand Slam. I think he's playing well enough. I think

625
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: he believes in himself more. We've talked about all the Americans,

626
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: but it's amazing that we've I was and I said

627
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Speaker 1: a year before that I thought seb was going to

628
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: be the player, the best American player. He s just

629
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Speaker 1: came out and said, hey, guys, don't forget about me.

630
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: I had a tough year twenty two. It's kind of

631
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: like a sophomore year for him. So I think seb Quarter,

632
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: we got to give him a lot of kudos because

633
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: he was literally one point away from beating Novak, I mean,

634
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: less of a pussy on match point. I'm just going

635
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: to say it. I thought he was really thought he

636
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: really didn't go for it enough on that point. Lessons loan.

637
00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: When you play the greats, you got to beat them.

638
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: They're I'm going to beat themselves on match point.

639
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 2: Is there a more dangerous player to have a match

640
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 2: point against than Novak Djokovic?

641
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 4: You got to feel like that's like where he knows

642
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 4: he has you, right, Yeah, and to the fear that,

643
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 4: like this guy has match point against me, Like it's

644
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 4: all downhill for them for here because this and and

645
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 4: I think for him actually being down match point going

646
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 4: into Australia and open is just proved to everybody else

647
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 4: that he still has it.

648
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

649
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 4: That and like and then going three out of five

650
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,240
Speaker 4: like good Linker Park. Yeah yeah yeah.

651
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: I thought Mark Lecero actually did a really he did

652
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: an interesting thing on Instagram where he dissected the match

653
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: point that seb Quarter had And one of the things

654
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: that I looked at it from Seb's point of view,

655
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Speaker 1: what I thought as a coach, what seb could have done,

656
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: And Mark looked at it like this is why Novak's

657
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: so good and there was one ball that was a

658
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Speaker 1: bit short and Novak just took the back end and

659
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: ripped it into the corner. I knew that he had

660
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: seb on the run and you know, came in behind it.

661
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: And those are the little things that you look for

662
00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: as a coach or an next player is like, oh,

663
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: what are the little tiny things that win matches and

664
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: lose matches? And Novak just has this amazing way. But

665
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I think going to the Strain

666
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: Open after having a tough week, he was seven six,

667
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: seven six against a guy that I never heard of,

668
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: and then to beat Zeb down match points, it's like, oh,

669
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: he's got everyone where he wants him now. Even though

670
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: he may look like didn't win the tournament easily, it

671
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: actually for me helps him going into these Strain Up.

672
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be almost impossible to be

673
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: in Melbourne again.

674
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough, and you know, obviously al Karaz the

675
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 2: world's current number one, and you can argue about how

676
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 2: legitimate his number one is, just because you know, you

677
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: want a sign that Novakdjovic couldn't play, but you know

678
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 2: he's out and it's hard to imagine as much as

679
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: we're all excited about Algarez, and I am very excited

680
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: about him. It's hard to imagine that he has a

681
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 2: career that doesn't end up looking a lot like Rafa's,

682
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: where he plays incredibly physically well and has peaks, but

683
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 2: also has valleys because again gets injured. To me, this

684
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 2: is not going to be an unfamiliar pattern with him.

685
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: It's crazy the injuries that he's had now over the

686
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: last few months, and I just, yeah, I do think

687
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: the same thing. The physicality between him is hopefully not

688
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 1: hopefully this is yeah, I would love it.

689
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: I think.

690
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 4: I think it also speaks to I think people underestimate

691
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 4: how much pressure and mental like toil takes into like

692
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 4: how much it affects your body, because when you're playing free,

693
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 4: like you're bout and obviously he's young, but when when

694
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 4: you're playing free, you're you can do anything, but all

695
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 4: of a sudden you start feeling a little bit more

696
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 4: tense those like and that's also why Djokovic is so

697
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 4: impressive to me, is just how long he's been able

698
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 4: to play it. He plays physical tennis, right, like obviously

699
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 4: we know Rafa to be the grinder and this and

700
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 4: that Djokovic I mean, the dude's doing splits like the

701
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 4: other but you can see like how well he takes

702
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 4: care of his body and also how well he handles

703
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 4: that mental pressure. That to me is the more impressive thing.

704
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 4: Is like he is able to bounce back after literally

705
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 4: anything that gets thrown.

706
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 2: And that's a really interesting point. The tension doesn't manifest

707
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 2: in his body. He's still just is gonna be like

708
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: sliding into the corners thinking for it. That's a really

709
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 2: cool way to see the manifestation of stress, or in

710
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 2: his case, the lack of it.

711
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: Well, I think maybe let's not forget about the fact

712
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 1: that he lets out his stress. I mean, he's telling

713
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: his brother to piss off, get away, get out, he's

714
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: telling his agent like believe. So you just wonder as

715
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: much as I hate to see that on court, and

716
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: it's why he will never win the Sportsmanship award. Okay,

717
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: it's because of moments like that. He's a great loser

718
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: when he loses. His speech was amazing, he'd like even

719
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: apologized to his box. All of those things are great,

720
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: but that's the reason he's not going to win Sportsmanship award,

721
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: because you can't by doing stuff like that. But having

722
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: said that, I just wonder how much it helps him

723
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: physically to actually let out all this negativity and even

724
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: if it doesn't look good, whereas Rauf is always keeping

725
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: it in because he never shows any negativity, never yells

726
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 1: at anyone. And she's just wonder how much keeping all

727
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: of that in which Alcoraz does kind of sort of

728
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: he lets out a little bit more than Rafa, how

729
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: much does that affect you? You know, I don't know.

730
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: It's an interesting way of thinking about his thought about

731
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: it from that perspective. Is there a similarly.

732
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: A similar amount of anticipation or excitement for you guys

733
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: coming into this On the women's side with Ego, does

734
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: it feel similarly like she's definitely definitely head and shoulders

735
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: the player to watch for or is it a little

736
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 2: bit as we are used to seeing the WTA a

737
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 2: little bit more evenly spread in terms of.

738
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Speaker 4: Well, I think if this were Clay, I think she

739
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 4: would be head and shoulders above. I think the Australian

740
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 4: Australian courts play fast, so I think, you know, we

741
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 4: saw Jesse Pagoula playing Sydney last week and she she's

742
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 4: dangerous in Australia Every year she likes those Fastivarsia was

743
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 4: also coming off a great end of twenty twenty two season,

744
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 4: and she can play some really good ball on hardcourt.

745
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 5: Sabalanka like, there's so many.

746
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 3: I was so happy to see Sabolenka win.

747
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: A tournament, especially to win one last year.

748
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: No, and I love her so much and I always

749
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 2: have because I really like the lunatics and watching her

750
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 2: be able to serve this year after having gone to

751
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: the depths of like not being able.

752
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: To literally at the same tournament, same tournament she could have. Yeah,

753
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: she was serving under and adelaide last year.

754
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 2: She just couldn't put us together. And then what an

755
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: amazing place to go to the site of your traumatic

756
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 2: underarm mental breakdown and then come away with the trophy

757
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 2: against a very exciting young player who had kind of

758
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: the talk of the tournament like Sebalanka. To me, we

759
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 2: all think she's overdue for a Slam, and I don't

760
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:22,320
Speaker 2: think anybody would.

761
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: Argue with that.

762
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: She got to get to a final f she could

763
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 2: win one, but she's come close in a lot of semifinals,

764
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: never actually made it to the final. And I think,

765
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 2: to me, I would love for her to be dangerous

766
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: this year.

767
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 4: We see a lot of players who do well, you know,

768
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 4: week or two or week or two before a slam

769
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 4: and then fizzle. Yeah, I mean we saw it with

770
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 4: the Scova that lost in forshround of qualifying. Obviously she

771
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 4: had a day in between, which is also a young gun.

772
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 4: But that's what separates the good from the gray, right

773
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 4: to be able to perform week in week out, which

774
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 4: is also what made EGA's twenty twenty two seasons that

775
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 4: much more impressive, was her ability to just keep going.

776
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 5: Not just on one's surface, but.

777
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 4: You know, as soon as Ashbarn retired, it was like

778
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 4: Ego was there to pick it up.

779
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: And yeah.

780
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 2: John Wortheim in his column this week had a really

781
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 2: fun turn of phrase that I had heard before but

782
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 2: not applied to tennis, which is that Ega got a

783
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: battlefield promotion when Ash retired, and she was ready for it,

784
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 2: you know, like she had it was.

785
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: Like the queen back in nineteen twenty two.

786
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 3: I was just ready to go in the wings.

787
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: Given that crown, Yeah, given that grat this. So I

788
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: saw her the day that she was I knew that

789
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: she was going to be one when Ash pulled out.

790
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 5: I think we said this already in Miami, and I

791
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 5: said that you.

792
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: Read she's just like I don't know, but you know,

793
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: God lover, she handed like you said, she took that

794
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: bat and not only ran with it, but like ran

795
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: a marathon with it. It was unbelievable. Thirty seven match

796
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 1: win streak.

797
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 2: So this makes me think of two players, one of

798
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 2: whom just merits conversation because she's won a slam and

799
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: she could not be more of a lunatic, whether you

800
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 2: like it or not. And now she can't get a servant,

801
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 2: which is Yelena Astapenko. We double faulted the last two matches.

802
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: I've watched her play double faulted on match point down

803
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: to lose. And who who's this girl nowadays? Like she

804
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 2: looks like maniac. She always has had that edge of

805
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 2: crazy eyes, but with the outfits and the I don't

806
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 2: know how fit she is, Like it looks she kind

807
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 2: of what's going on with Lena. As to Pinko, I

808
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 2: just I don't know that any of you, either of

809
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: you have a good answer for that, but I just

810
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 2: thought i'd mentioned it because I don't know.

811
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 4: But I think if you look, I just I have

812
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 4: to say, you never know what's gonna happen, because if

813
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 4: you look at her last year, I mean she made

814
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 4: the finals of it was either do hard, du buy

815
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 4: and then you know, like with Austin Pinko, you just

816
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 4: never when you think she's out, that's when.

817
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 5: She comes back.

818
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 1: She's truly a box of chocolates, a box of really

819
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: badly dressed chocolates. Sure, okay, I mean let's just say

820
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: that outfit's absolutely horrendous.

821
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 2: It's it's a different level of there's maybe so bad

822
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 2: they're good.

823
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: She's uncoachable. I know people that have coached her, she's uncoachable.

824
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: She's had the same coach. Now, I'll give him a

825
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: lot of credit for in there. Yeah, but he's like

826
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: what's his name, you know the Russian guys like Dates Kitchenock.

827
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: I mean he's a great guy and he's so like

828
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: relaxed and whatever. So he can deal with it. But

829
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 1: she is uncoachable because there's no way you can say

830
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: to her, look, just like, let's spin this in here.

831
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: Let's like maybe put a little bit more spin on

832
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: the forehand, Let's like be a little No, it's like

833
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: hit seaball, hit ball, and that's it. And there's no

834
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: game plan. B.

835
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: Well, it's always fun to watch her, whether she's done

836
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 2: into the middle of the net or hitting the winners

837
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 2: from you know.

838
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not liked on tour.

839
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 3: I can't imagine she has not two other players that

840
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 3: I want to mention. The person I think she.

841
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: Lost to in that Doha or Dubai final was Gobin Yamgaritha.

842
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: Who cannot win a.

843
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 2: Match, doesn't seem like she can win a match, which

844
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 2: is so tragic because I love watching her player. Maybe

845
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 2: I'm alone in that, but I really am always rioting.

846
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: For I'm going to give her six months before retiring,

847
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: you think, so unless she starts winning matches, I don't

848
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: see her.

849
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 4: She has had really tough She doesn't seem to have

850
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 4: tough every week.

851
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: Is a tough drawing, yeah, it's for sure, But I

852
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: think I mean she on text not going got a

853
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: tough draw She just beats people, you know. I mean,

854
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,919
Speaker 1: I'm just being honest, Like Sabalinca had a tough drawer

855
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: last week but got on with it.

856
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, but a little bit, you know a little bit,

857
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 4: I think I think with Garvigna, what you see is

858
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 4: when she gets a little bit of momentum, she really

859
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 4: takes it. So for her, it's just, you know, maybe

860
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 4: a couple tough wins under her belt and then she'll

861
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 4: be fine.

862
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 2: Somebody else we should talk about, who's leaving sort of

863
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 2: a glaring hole at the top of the game, who

864
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: cannot seem to bring herself to want to play tennis?

865
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: Is what's the deal?

866
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 5: I don't know.

867
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean for me. I said this

868
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: on my show yesterday. I said, look, it's clear that

869
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: she doesn't she's not happy playing tennis. It's clear that

870
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: she finds tennis to be a little bit PTSD with

871
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 1: whatever it is, whether it be winning, a losing or

872
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: press or bad press or sponsors or what. I think

873
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:59,240
Speaker 1: she is so incredibly unhappy with the world of tennis

874
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: in her life in some ways that she doesn't know

875
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: how to handle it, and it obviously has made her

876
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: a hundred million dollar woman at least at least and

877
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 1: going back to it with the PTSD that I think

878
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: she feels, with the pressure that she feels to win

879
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: and play well is almost overwhelming to her. So I said,

880
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,399
Speaker 1: if you are going to feel that way, take say

881
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: to us the press, now, to all of the tennis. Well,

882
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: I am actually stepping away from the game. Yeah, like

883
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: an ash party, like an ash Bydy, Like if I

884
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 1: am going into evolving away from the sport for a while.

885
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: I may come back, I may not, but I don't

886
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: want to be asked any more about tennis. For now.

887
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: I am not playing tennis. I am retired from the game.

888
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 1: Leave me alone. If I decide to come back, I

889
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: will let you know in my time. I think that

890
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: would be the best thing for her to do right now,

891
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: and then people will stop asking her enter the tournaments.

892
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: What are you doing? It's just like, oh, she stop

893
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 1: playing anymore, like almost like she retired.

894
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 3: She didn't give a reason for drying.

895
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 2: And again, yeah, I don't understand that some people might

896
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 2: think we're being unfair, but the truth is, not only

897
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 2: is she the one hundred million dollar woman who's in

898
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 2: all the advertisements and obviously benefiting greatly from having won

899
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 2: four Grand Slams and being a prodigious talent, but also

900
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 2: she's launched a sports agency which is also making her money,

901
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 2: which also puts her firmly within the sport, and god knows,

902
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 2: her agent isn't taking any days off. And I say

903
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 2: that neither as a critique nor a piece of praise.

904
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 2: I just signed on exactly. And so for me, it's

905
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 2: like being tennis or don't be in it. But if

906
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 2: you're going to be in it, you need to be

907
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: able to answer questions. That's trans that's part of the game.

908
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 2: That and if it is the answer, like hey, I'm

909
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 2: actually just interested in being a business woman, then that's

910
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 2: a good opportunity to proactively say that.

911
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 5: But maybe she doesn't know, you know.

912
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 4: And I obviously, like I'm not trying to say like

913
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 4: I know what she's thinking or how she's feeling. But

914
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 4: I think sometimes it's like obviously we see dollar signs

915
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 4: and we're like, oh, she can just buy away all

916
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 4: her problems, But it's like she is a person, she

917
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 4: does a feelings, and you know, this is a type

918
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 4: of pressure and magnitude that we can't understand. Is you know,

919
00:40:58,520 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 4: obviously maybe steps can't.

920
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 5: You know, you know, So for her, you know, for her,

921
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 5: she knows.

922
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 4: She has eyes on her. Maybe she doesn't know how

923
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 4: she's feeling. She's trying to process all this. Maybe she

924
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 4: will tell us one day what was happening, what is happening.

925
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 4: But I think, you know, it sucks for the sport

926
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 4: to not have her, you know, especially because she was

927
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 4: so much fun to watch. She was obviously a great

928
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 4: personality to have as well. But I think it's also

929
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 4: like there needs to be a certain amount of just

930
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 4: respect for me. You know. I'm not just saying it

931
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 4: as like someone who knows her, but it's just really

932
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 4: empathizing with someone who doesn't necessarily relish the spotlight and

933
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 4: maybe who's trying to She's she's still young, you know,

934
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 4: she's trying to figure.

935
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: Out who she is.

936
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 2: I agree with all that, but I will say that

937
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 2: she and her agent have started an agency, and part

938
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 2: of respectfully totally agree with what you're saying. If she

939
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,479
Speaker 2: was just a player, everything you said to me would

940
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: be completely true.

941
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: She would be kid gloves.

942
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: She's not. She's positioning herself as being somebody who is

943
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 2: the face of an agency that is tasked with promoting

944
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 2: and making money with and for other players, which to

945
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: me makes her part of the ecosystem in a bigger way,

946
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 2: which is to me why she does have to If

947
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 2: you're going to be out in front of cameras and brands,

948
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 2: then you also have to at least be proactive in

949
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 2: managing the dialogue, or just don't have the agency, or

950
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: just be like, you know what, my agent started this

951
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 2: and I'm along for the ride and I'm just going

952
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 2: to piece out in the background, and he's using my name,

953
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: and that's just what's what. Like, I do think that

954
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: there's a little bit of an issue with just wanting

955
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,320
Speaker 2: to reap all the benefits but not having any of

956
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: the responsibility.

957
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: I'm I'm, I think I'm, which is random. I'm right

958
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: in the middle of the like literally like sitting in

959
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: between the two of you. I one hundred percent agree

960
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: with you. I think that socially she is incredibly awkward

961
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: and not relishes the spotlight at all. Like there's so

962
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: many things that she hates about cameras, speaking, all of

963
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. I agree with you that she's

964
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: trying to be a business woman. She is positioning herself

965
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 1: in that world, et cetera, which I think is all great.

966
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: By the way, So I think I sit in the

967
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: middle of saying what I said, I think is the

968
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 1: best thing for her to say. Guys, I am not

969
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: intending to play until I think I'm ready, and I

970
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: may never be ready, And so I would like to

971
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: step away from the game right now. Know that I'm

972
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: not going to be playing any tournaments. Do not ask

973
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: me if I'm playing tennis again, I may not come

974
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 1: back at all. So there's my answer. I am So

975
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 1: you want to, Steve Man, I want to, Yeah, even

976
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 1: if she doesn't know, just saying like I don't know

977
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 1: what I'm but just benefit. I think, for her benefit

978
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: rather than all of us, Like where is she? She's lost,

979
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,280
Speaker 1: nobody can find Naomi.

980
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 2: Here's her four hundred thousand brand obligations that she's gonna show.

981
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: And that's fine.

982
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 2: And again I'm not resenting her, like that's fine, get

983
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: the bag. But if you do, and you're gonna make.

984
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: But there's no pressure on her to turn up and

985
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: do a photo shoot or sell a book, or take

986
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: a photo for Vogue, or go to the Louviton store

987
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 1: in Paris and sell her brand here. There's no pressure

988
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: in that except I mean, she doesn't really relish that either,

989
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: but it makes her a lot of money. What is

990
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: pressure is walking under the fucking tennis court at the

991
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: center court of Rolling Garros or Wimbledon or the French

992
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: Open or the US Open or Arthur ash and performing

993
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: in front of people that have got eyeballs on you,

994
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: expecting you to win when you are not emotionally and

995
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: mentally and physically prepared to play the tennis that everyone

996
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: expects you to play, and then therefore have to then play.

997
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: If you play like shit, have all those questions thrown

998
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: at your face now, people are like, well, that's what

999
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 1: your job is. You should deal with that. You don't

1000
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: have to deal with that. She don't have to deal

1001
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: with that. She cannot play tennis for the rest of

1002
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: your life and be completely happy. I want her to

1003
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,479
Speaker 1: be happy, That's what I want.

1004
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 4: I think this is a really unique time in sports

1005
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 4: media that we haven't seen before. You know, before if

1006
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 4: you were a tennis player first, you were a tennis

1007
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 4: player first. And you know, when you look at the

1008
00:44:53,520 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 4: greeds of you know, Sharapova, Serena, Roger Rafa, Djokovic, we

1009
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 4: all established themselves for not just a couple of years,

1010
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 4: but you know, decades there were tennis and they paid

1011
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 4: their dues in the sport, for sure. But then you

1012
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 4: have someone like Naomi who burst into the spotlight, had

1013
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 4: an explosive couple of years, and then all of a sudden,

1014
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 4: she doesn't really need to play tennis anymore.

1015
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: So and guys, we don't have ash Buddy in our

1016
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: sport anymore. At twenty five, she's now pregnant, wanting to

1017
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: have a family because she didn't like it. She didn't

1018
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: love the stress, the pressure, the travel, all that sort

1019
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: of stuff. We're lucky that she came back the second time,

1020
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: and actually she did and actually proved to everybody and herself,

1021
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 1: I think more than anyone but anything. She couldn't care

1022
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: about what anyone else thought, except she needed to answer

1023
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 1: the questions herself, how good could I be? And I

1024
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 1: don't want to live the rest of my life thinking

1025
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: maybe could I have won a Grand Slam. She's already

1026
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 1: answered that for herself, which is why she could walk

1027
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: away from the game at the top of the game

1028
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: to say, Okay, everybody, remember that's how good I was.

1029
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: Now I don't really love it, so I'm leaving and

1030
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to be happy. And nobody's like, what, oh,

1031
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 1: how dare you? And Naomi's essentially doing the same thing.

1032
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 2: She's not, though Ashburty, but she didn't.

1033
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: She's not a tennis academy.

1034
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 2: That's way different an agency. This year, you're like the

1035
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 2: agency thing for me is a really big if you

1036
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 2: if you would establish an agency, so.

1037
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 1: It is Ashbuddy started an agency, you would be like,

1038
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:25,399
Speaker 1: I have a problem with.

1039
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 5: That, not at all.

1040
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: I if Ashbarty started an agency while actively telling everyone

1041
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 2: to fuck off, then I would have an issue with it.

1042
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 2: If your task is to sell the game of tennis

1043
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 2: and you are openly ambivalent, and maybe some could argue

1044
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 2: even sort of like hostile towards the tennis. I mean

1045
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 2: we recorded an interview with her last year where she

1046
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 2: told us that the press getting to talk to her

1047
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 2: was a privilege. You should have seen Billy Jeane Kings.

1048
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, you can see Billy Gene

1049
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 2: King's face drop. Somebody who worked their ass off to

1050
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 2: establish the sport, to get sponsors interested. To think of

1051
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 2: it as not only her primary responsibility to play in

1052
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 2: an entertainer, to perform, but also to sell the game

1053
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 2: and make sure it was the stain and healthy. To me,

1054
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: that was admirable. And I think if Naomi didn't start

1055
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 2: an agency, specifically an agency not task like an academy

1056
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 2: with getting people to play better tennis and then you know,

1057
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: God love you, good luck out there, but rather an

1058
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 2: agency that was theoretically tasked with making careers and brands

1059
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 2: and sort of the promotion of certain aspects. That to

1060
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 2: me is such a huge conflict that is so glaringly

1061
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: obvious that that is I think for me a lot

1062
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 2: of the heart of the issue with which which is

1063
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 2: you can't you cannot have those two things at the

1064
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 2: same time.

1065
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: You can have privacy.

1066
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: And your own ambivalence and your own ability to walk away, sure,

1067
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 2: but don't also simultaneously try to make money by being

1068
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: in our faces with other players, deals and other players

1069
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 2: where you're so openly sort of like honestly antagonistic about

1070
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 2: the board of tennis. And again, I don't begrudge anybody

1071
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 2: their opinion, especially having played it.

1072
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 4: It's not exactly an answer, but it's like, I think

1073
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 4: she wants to be more than tennis, right, Evolved isn't

1074
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 4: necessarily just I don't Regardless, I think when we talk,

1075
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 4: obviously we sot out like with Nick and ons and

1076
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 4: this and that, But I think it Evolve is trying

1077
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 4: to be bigger than tenants. Like, I understand what you're saying,

1078
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 4: but I think for me, it's like I don't see

1079
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 4: that obligation in terms of if she's gonna be running

1080
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 4: quote unquote running an agency that she necessarily has to

1081
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 4: be face of this, you know, continue to play this

1082
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 4: for I think she's I don't know.

1083
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 5: I like, to me, that's not such a big conflict

1084
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 5: of interest.

1085
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess what we're saying here is all

1086
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: your listeners out there, whatever your thoughts are, this is

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Speaker 1: time to sort of like tweet at us and let

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Speaker 1: us know what you think, because you're the you know,

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Speaker 1: you're the people that follow the sport, and it's interesting,

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Speaker 1: it's an interesting conversation.

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Speaker 5: I think it means a very complicated young woman.

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Speaker 2: And I think the best thing that Chrissy said, I

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Speaker 2: agree with you is that we've never had in a

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Speaker 2: situation like this before.

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Speaker 1: Unprecedented what we're seeing.

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Speaker 2: Because if you're gonna if you're unhappy and you walk away,

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Speaker 2: most of the times you've walked away, that's not quite

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Speaker 2: what this is.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's why it's sort of but some

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Speaker 1: people love the sport but don't want the spotlight of

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Speaker 1: the sport for themselves in the end, you know. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's part of it as well, is that

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Speaker 1: it's a lot of pressure and it's some people seek

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Speaker 1: it for their own ego to keep going, keep playing,

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Speaker 1: and some people don't play it for their own ego.

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Speaker 1: I think Ash definitely stroked her ego enough to be

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Speaker 1: able to walk away happy. I think Naomi's definitely I

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Speaker 1: don't think her ego is wrapped around winning and losing

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Speaker 1: tennis matches per se.

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Speaker 5: I think her self worth is.

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Speaker 1: But there's a difference between winning and losing to feel

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Speaker 1: better about yourself as opposed to your ego. It's I

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Speaker 1: think they're very different things. So Ash had a healthy

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Speaker 1: ego and stroked enough to be like, all right, I'm

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Speaker 1: out here now, waite. But Naomi, I think is complicated

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Speaker 1: in so many different ways. I don't think her ego is.

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Speaker 1: Her ego is a complicated one, and I think it's

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Speaker 1: more on the social aspect of being in the spotlight

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Speaker 1: that she struggles with as a tennis player. Yeah well,

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Speaker 1: I think also Ash had the benefit or not benefit

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Speaker 1: of having that early success as a junior and seeing

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Speaker 1: how much she didn't what she didn't like, so she

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Speaker 1: got the growing pains early on, stepped away from the sport,

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Speaker 1: and when she came back, she knew exactly what she

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Speaker 1: wanted from it who she was going to interact with,

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Speaker 1: what capacity doing her dues, but no more than that

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Speaker 1: she did exactly. She knew her boundaries.

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Speaker 4: And I think with Naomi, who you know, came on

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Speaker 4: as a very shy, perky little girl, and we saw

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Speaker 4: her grow into a woman with the sport, but all

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Speaker 4: of a sudden we don't know what her relationship with

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Speaker 4: the sport is and how much you know, like if

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Speaker 4: Ash had these sponsorships and all this pressure on her

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Speaker 4: that Naomi did, not only as a transatlantic global woman,

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Speaker 4: but also like these are things that nobody was this

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Speaker 4: She's you know, the guidance right, So like.

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Speaker 1: Ash had pretty good guidance. And also, as you said,

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Speaker 1: Ash had a very she she was a very boundary

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Speaker 1: oriented post.

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Speaker 2: And as you said, one of the things that I

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Speaker 2: thought was super illuminating is hearkening back to your own

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Speaker 2: experience knowing with maturity and grow why where you need

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Speaker 2: to be?

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Speaker 1: What's the why? Where am I going to be most happy?

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Speaker 2: And I think you know, for me, if Naomi had

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Speaker 2: stepped away and sort of taken a beat to figure

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Speaker 2: it out, sleeping on her bags of Ash, great, but

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Speaker 2: it's the fact that she's here but not here, both

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Speaker 2: in the presence of her business entities, but also that's

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Speaker 2: this thing that has her DNA in it. This isn't

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Speaker 2: her agent's agency. This is her agency, and that, to

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Speaker 2: me is where I get stuck up. But look, who

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Speaker 2: knows if we're going to see your play this week,

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Speaker 2: this year at all. And we have an incredible cast

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Speaker 2: of characters not only coming to the screens in ten

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Speaker 2: days but also to the courts.

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Speaker 1: So it's going to be a great watch. All right, Well,

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Speaker 1: you gotta wrap it up. Yeah, let's wrap it up. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's let's wrap it up to this point. Who's going

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Speaker 1: to win these straight up? In men's and women's Caitlin.

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Speaker 2: Jess Pagoula that and I'm gonna Young Gun Felix.

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Speaker 3: O j La Sam Wow. Okay, so I think it's

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Speaker 3: gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: No, but this is more like the heart than the head.

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Speaker 2: Jess and Felix, that's my pick.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, I'm gonna go with the favorite Djokovic women's side.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna go with Sablink. Okay, we'll go fine,

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna have I would. I'm just we're gonna have

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Speaker 4: her go deep. But I want this for Arena. I'm

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Speaker 4: hoping those demons are you know, pushed aside and this

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Speaker 4: is this is her moment.

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Speaker 5: Courts will suit her.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so shit, I mean, it's amazing that you can

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Speaker 1: have a dominant number one like Ega but yet be

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Speaker 1: a little bit unsure just going listen. I will say

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Speaker 1: that that the Jess loss was a little bit of

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Speaker 1: circumstance as well. I mean, and I don't want to

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Speaker 1: take anything away from Jess because my god, that was

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Speaker 1: one of the best matches I've ever seen her play.

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Speaker 1: But Ega was coming from Brisbane. The courts are totally

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Speaker 1: different up there. The condition it's more humid in Brisbane,

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah, very different conditions in Sydney. So I'm

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Speaker 1: not paying too much credence to her loss. Positive for Jests.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely also different playing on a team event versus.

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Speaker 1: Very different, especially for her being so regarded in Poland

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Speaker 1: like she was the win if they last.

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Speaker 5: She was done, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: But like Massy for Argentina exactly, I'm going to say Djokovic,

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to get ten and I think

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Speaker 1: he's going to give the middle finger to everyone in

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Speaker 1: the world after he wins, and he probably would, and

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna go with Eager. I'm going to go

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Speaker 1: with both. The number one he's not number one, No

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Speaker 1: enough is going to be number one. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: with Djokovic and I'm going to go with Eager.

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Speaker 5: All right, well, so there you go.

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Speaker 1: But I would be not shocked if Hega doesn't win,

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Speaker 1: and be great to see it. Sabalanca Jazz final to

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Speaker 1: never been to a final, we'll see, and the straight

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Speaker 1: Open has had random finalists. Look at Daniel Collins.

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Speaker 5: She's not random.

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Speaker 1: She is a force in Australian but to get to

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Speaker 1: a final of a Slam that was a bit of

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Speaker 1: a surprise. So anyway, we'll see. Thanks for joining us

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Speaker 1: and Christy, thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 5: Hey man, it's.

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Speaker 1: Great to come back again for peat. Trees h h